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Speaker 1: This is straight Fire with Jason McIntyre.

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Speaker 2: What is up?

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Speaker 1: Straight fire?

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Speaker 2: But it's me Jason.

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Speaker 3: McIntyre Street Bowyer for Wednesday, January the twenty first. We

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Speaker 3: are officially starting to wind down in the NFL season.

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Speaker 3: A couple of head coaching openings left more than a

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Speaker 3: couple some OC jobs at Philly Eagles jobs seems like

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Speaker 3: it's a good one, but I can't get McDaniel to

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Speaker 3: interview Daveles, seems Luke Warble see, we'll see. But we

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Speaker 3: are also wrapping up a great college football season. NBA

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Speaker 3: getting into full swing. Of course, you know I haven't

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Speaker 3: chopped it up with Rob G lately. He's been down

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Speaker 3: for the count. I've been super busy, and I'm like,

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Speaker 3: all right, what do you want to talk about, Rob,

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Speaker 3: We've got a lot of stuff, a lot of NBA.

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Speaker 3: Jimmy Butler season over. I'm ready to move Steph Curry.

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Speaker 3: But of course, you know, Rob G, the veteran radio producer,

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Speaker 3: hits me with a lebron take right out of the gate,

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Speaker 3: and I'm sure you guys have been I'm sure you

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Speaker 3: guys have noticed. But the NBA All Star voting, I

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Speaker 3: will note by the fans by the fans is wrapped

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Speaker 3: up and Lebron for the first time in his twenty

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Speaker 3: one seasons, I believe is not a starter. And everybody

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Speaker 3: seems completely taken aback and shocked. And if everybody's done

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Speaker 3: with Lebron, I would like to present some evidence, just

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Speaker 3: a little counter. We know the NBA is a young

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Speaker 3: man's game, right, Everybody loves the shiny new things.

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Speaker 2: When Bin Yama, even I get caught up in it.

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Speaker 3: I'm like Stephan Cassel, the top fifteen player in the league,

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Speaker 3: like I love Newton. Everybody loves new players, new players

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Speaker 3: and new spots. Anthony Edwards is potential face of the

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Speaker 3: league because he wins a playoff series.

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Speaker 2: Like I mean, people are going crazy, Okay.

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Speaker 3: I would like to remind everybody that a gentleman by

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Speaker 3: the name of Michael Jordan, Michael Jeffrey Jordan, in his

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Speaker 3: final year in the NBA two thousand and three, was thirty.

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Speaker 2: Nine years old.

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Speaker 3: And this is the Michael Jordan a legend. As everybody

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Speaker 3: knows Air Jordan. Did you know Rob in his final

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Speaker 3: season with the Wizards, he was not voted a starting

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Speaker 3: All Star, No, sirree Bob. Michael Jeffrey Jordan, the legend,

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Speaker 3: not voted an All Star. What happened was you had

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Speaker 3: all these shiny new objects. You had Alan Iverson cooking people,

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Speaker 3: you had Tracy McGrady was emerging as a star. You

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Speaker 3: had so many young talent. Vince Carter was taking over

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Speaker 3: the league. It was really an interesting transition period for

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Speaker 3: the league. And this is where it gets fascinating. Jordan

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Speaker 3: doesn't get voted to be an All Star. These starters

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Speaker 3: in the East were Iverson, t mac Vince Carter, Germaine O'Neill,

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Speaker 3: and Ben Wallace. Yeah Ben Wallace really Now back then

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Speaker 3: they did it by position. But ahead of the game,

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Speaker 3: some of these players felt like, oh, it's your last year,

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Speaker 3: mj you should start for me. And he initially said no,

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Speaker 3: and then Vince Carter said, at the last minute, Comeumbro

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Speaker 3: kind of a charity case for his final All Star game.

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Speaker 3: So Rob, instead of us taking the opportunity to bash

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Speaker 3: Lebron or say well he's not worthy, actually Lebron's having

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Speaker 3: a pretty freaking awesome season for his age forty one

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Speaker 3: I believe he's twenty two points per game, he's averaging

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Speaker 3: six assists. No, No, Lebron's at twenty two point six points,

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Speaker 3: six point nine assists, five point nine rebounds. So he's

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Speaker 3: averaging twenty. I mean if we won a round up

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Speaker 3: twenty three, seven and six. Okay, that dwarfs what Jordan

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Speaker 3: liver out here that if somebody gives him a spot,

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Speaker 3: it's not charity. There are just so many transcendent young

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Speaker 3: NBA Hall of Fame. Is Ben Wallace in there, Jermaine

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Speaker 3: O'Neil in there, I don't know. I mean Tracy McGrady,

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Speaker 3: I don't think ever got to the finals, Like I

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Speaker 2: Look at who Lebron is behind in the West.

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Speaker 3: It's like, oh, Steph Curry carrying the Warriors, legendary player.

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Speaker 3: He's behind Luca Sga is coming off at MVP season

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Speaker 2: For not being an All Star.

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Speaker 3: I'll just point out I get it, and I think

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Speaker 3: what's more curious is will Lucas say to Lebron, hey, man,

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Speaker 4: That would be a fun story. That'd be a nice

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Speaker 4: I mean, the difference between Lebron at age forty one

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Speaker 4: thirty nine was you know, pre soaked, pre soaked af

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Speaker 4: not quite washed, but he was right there. Lebron is

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Speaker 4: still a very very good NBA player. And my big

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Speaker 4: because you mentioned it with Michael Jordan. Eventually you get

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Speaker 4: What I'm surprised at is this is happening about a

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Speaker 4: week or so after Lebron James, seemingly out of nowhere,

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Speaker 4: partners up with Tops to put a commemorative patch on

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Speaker 2: Oh I saw that, I saw it.

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Speaker 4: Didn't do it to start the season, didn't do it

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Speaker 4: Colored that odd to me because if he's retiring, and

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Speaker 4: this would be a big celebration of Lebron and his

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Speaker 4: But what's interesting about the All Star voting Lebron James,

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Speaker 4: whether he's the tenth, the twentieth, the thirtieth, best player

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Speaker 4: I would consider it to be the face of the NBA.

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Speaker 4: I think you would agree. And yet the fan vote

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Speaker 4: wasn't even close having Lebron in the top five in

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Speaker 4: closing that one. On Monday Nights, Tim Cato formerly ESPN

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Speaker 4: Conference alone, other NBA players did not believe that Lebron

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Speaker 4: Steph Curry is the second most votes in the West,

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Speaker 4: That tells me all of this combined that the NBA,

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Speaker 4: the fans, even his peers, they're over Lebron. James Lebron

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Speaker 4: and his look at me wielding my mighty sword. Look

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Speaker 4: sports talk media space. They're like, we're good, We've had

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Speaker 4: enough of King James. We're ready for you to retire.

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Speaker 4: And quite frankly, this might be a pod for another day.

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Speaker 4: I think Lebron is surprised that it's going down like this,

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Speaker 4: and that's why he had that patch on his jersey

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Speaker 4: he's making comments in the postgame press conversing I'm not

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Speaker 4: following basketball, I'm watching golf videos. Is because I think

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Speaker 4: even he's taken aback that he's not getting the farewell tour,

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Speaker 4: the you thought you was Kobe, They don't love you

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Speaker 3: The enmity flowing from Rob g in a week and

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Speaker 3: he's just coming off the top row piling on the Bron.

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Speaker 2: Here's where it gets weird.

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Speaker 3: So if you look at the top of the West, Okay,

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Speaker 3: definitely getting Sga as an all start. I don't know

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Speaker 3: best team record wise, so they're gonna get a second.

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Speaker 2: That's gonna be weird. The Spurs are getting Wemby for sure,

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Speaker 3: And the Lakers obviously Luca who's leading the league in scoring,

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Speaker 3: and after that Lebron probably has to be the guy, right,

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Speaker 3: So that's where it gets weird. How do you automatically

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Speaker 3: I will add Curry has no close second. Jimmy Butler

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Speaker 3: now done for the season, obviously, but they're eighth in

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Speaker 3: the West. It's just a weird setup how Lebron is

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Speaker 2: He's Listen, he's being a good soldier.

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Speaker 3: He's averaging twenty three seven and six and as I said,

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Speaker 3: So far, Lebron's handling it well, assuming he's not involved

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Speaker 3: in that agent nonsense, which really pissed me off. But

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Speaker 3: I just I don't know where things go from here.

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Speaker 3: I think it's his last season.

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Speaker 4: I hope it is, and not just because like I'm right,

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Speaker 4: wait a minute, what even you hope it is?

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Speaker 2: He's at twenty three, seven and six. You tell me

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Speaker 2: he can't help somebody. No, of course he can.

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Speaker 4: What I'm saying is that even though as a Lakers fan,

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Speaker 4: I'm ready for it to be the Luca era full stop.

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Speaker 2: Right, Luca is the guy.

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Speaker 4: We don't got to worry about Rich Paul's comments, we

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Speaker 4: don't got to worry about the you know, the passive

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Speaker 4: aggressive tweets and Instagram posts like we're we're a new

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Speaker 4: era of Laker basketball. This happens every fifteen years or so.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 4: The reason why I hope this is his last season

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Speaker 4: is because I don't think that Lebron James and I

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Speaker 4: don't even blame him for this, But I don't think

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Speaker 4: he's capable of taking a backseat. Everywhere he goes, every

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Speaker 4: He is the guy who going to suck up all

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Speaker 4: if he decides he wants to play another season in

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Speaker 4: la and take the shine away from Luca, I'm not

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Speaker 4: you know, the Cleveland Cavaliers, you don't think that Donovan

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Speaker 2: We can wrap up. I don't know, Rob, would you

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Speaker 3: Rob was taking a step further now. It's probably because

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Speaker 3: I don't know, Rob, I riffed yesterday on Indiana and Mendoza.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, less so much of the end, which was a

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Speaker 4: the twenty twenty five twenty twenty six in Diana Hooshiers

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Speaker 4: ten at the time of kickoff. Of those six games,

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Speaker 4: only two were decided by single digits. Okay. They beat

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Speaker 4: Oregon twice, Alabama and Illinois by a combined score of

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Speaker 4: one p eighty seven to forty five. Their average margin

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Speaker 4: of victory on the season was twenty seven points per game,

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Speaker 4: the fourth highest by any undefeated champion this century. Oh Okay,

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Speaker 4: this year Indiana ranked in the top three nationally in

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Speaker 4: eight major categories. All right, they were the first teams

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Speaker 4: in twenty thirteen need to rank second or better in

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Speaker 4: both scoring offense and scoring defense. So again, while they

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Speaker 4: may not have twenty eight NFL All pros like the

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Speaker 4: old one Hurricanes, or they may not have you know,

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Speaker 4: arguably the greatest college football player ever in Reggie Bush,

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Speaker 4: like USC, they may not have the best wide receiver

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Speaker 4: tandem of all time and justin Jefferson and Jamar Chase

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Speaker 4: at LSU. Their team and the on field resume dictates

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Speaker 4: that if they are not the greatest team of all time,

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Speaker 4: they are at a minimum on the shortlist.

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Speaker 3: It's this is an incendiary take. I think of those

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Speaker 3: some of those numbers and stuff a little inflated by

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Speaker 3: the sixteen games. I just looked up the two thousand

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Speaker 3: one Hurricanes. They only played twelve games because there was

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Speaker 3: no playoff. They had one single digit game against Virginia Tech.

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Speaker 3: But you're right about this Hurricanes roster. Okay, this is

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Speaker 3: why when you do this like I, there's no way

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Speaker 3: I could put Indiana to this is the running back room.

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Speaker 2: But he all won Hurricanes.

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Speaker 3: Clinton portis Naja Davenport, Willis McGahee, and Frank Gore. That's great, yeah,

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Speaker 3: and was the fifth running back. All those guys made

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Speaker 3: the NFL. I mean, Andre Johnson, SHACKI, Kellen Winsley. This

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Speaker 3: team was insane. The linebacking group with Ville ma and

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Speaker 3: DJ Williams both were NFL. I mean, I think both

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Speaker 3: the Pro bowlers like that. You're right, that was one

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Speaker 3: of the most loaded teams ever. There was an FSU

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Speaker 3: team I think with Jamis Winston where every single player

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Speaker 3: made the NFL, every single starter. So from a talent wise,

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Speaker 3: but I'd say on some level, Indiana kind of not

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Speaker 3: game the system, kind of hacked college football. Right, We'll

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Speaker 3: take all the guys we had at JMU, We'll bring

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Speaker 3: the best ones from JMU to Indiana, and then we'll

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Speaker 3: supplement it with a veteran quarterback in Mendoza and a

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Speaker 3: couple other big name guys and that you know, we

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Speaker 3: see this in the NFL. Some of these teams are like, oh,

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Speaker 3: we don't need to pay a quarterback a billion dollars

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Speaker 3: and we're able to build a lot of stuff around

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Speaker 3: said quarterback. And I feel like Indiana just did an

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Speaker 3: amazing job with that I'm not diminishing it. I do

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Speaker 3: think you're right, pretty dominant run beating Ohio State, smashed Alabama,

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Speaker 3: destroyed Oregon. Like, this was a hell of a season,

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Speaker 3: and I would agree there certainly top ten. I think

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Speaker 3: they're one of the best stories in college football in

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Speaker 3: the last twenty five years.

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Speaker 4: It might be the greatest single story ever. I mean,

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Speaker 4: look where they were two years ago. I mean they

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Speaker 4: I think I have this threat. Let me find it

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Speaker 4: again as I'm talking to you here. Before Signetty got there,

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Speaker 4: all right, Indiana had the most losses in the sports history,

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Speaker 4: the history of college football. They had the most losses,

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Speaker 4: all right. They hadn't won nine wins, had nine wins

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Speaker 4: season since nineteen sixty seven. The sixteen wins they had

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Speaker 4: this season were more than they had between twenty twenty

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Speaker 4: and twenty twenty three combined, three or four ce yeah,

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Speaker 4: three or four they were so I just looked it up.

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Speaker 3: Twenty twenty one, the Hoosiers had Michael Pennox at quarterback,

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Speaker 3: but then he ended up transferring.

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Speaker 2: But like there's just not a lot of I mean,

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Speaker 2: Aj Barner.

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Speaker 3: Is the tight end of the Seahawks right now.

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Speaker 2: But like you're right, they the cupboard.

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Speaker 4: Was and so let me just say this real quick,

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Speaker 4: because I know they were. I don't want to get

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Speaker 4: bogged down by this. But you mentioned that the reason

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Speaker 4: why you can never consider Indiana as the greatest or

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Speaker 4: one of the greatest is because they us don't have

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Speaker 4: that NFL talent. And I think that's a fair argument.

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Speaker 4: My counter to that would be, I know it's applest

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Speaker 4: oranges a little bit. When we talk about the greatest

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Speaker 4: NBA teams of all time, like you'll mention the Jordan Bulls,

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Speaker 4: You'll mention, you know, Bird Celtics, the Showtime Lakers, Steph

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Speaker 4: Katie Warriors, Shaq Kobe Lakers, and so I want to

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Speaker 4: focus on those last two. If we go man for

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Speaker 4: man and we compare the rosters of the Shaq Kobe

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Speaker 4: Lakers and the Katie Clay Draymond ni Guidala Warriors, it's

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Speaker 4: not even close, right man for man, that Warriors team,

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Speaker 4: top to bottom is light years more talented than the

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Speaker 4: Shaq Kobe Lakers. The difference was when you got on

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Speaker 4: the court that the Lakers and that little group, that group,

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Speaker 4: that little group, that group had enough advantages here and there,

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Speaker 4: mostly with Shaq that you could say, even if I

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Speaker 4: am picking Stephan Katie to win that series, I could

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Speaker 4: see why somebody would pick Shaq and Kobe right, even

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Speaker 4: though they're not nearly as talented top to bottom as

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Speaker 4: the previous team. And I think that's the argument in

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Speaker 4: favor of this current Indiana team, is that even though

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Speaker 4: they don't have the high end talent these other historical

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Speaker 4: teams have had, when you just look at the how

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Speaker 4: well coached they are. Fanana Mendoza had a great season

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Speaker 4: that every team that they played, they blew the doors off, basically,

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Speaker 4: like that's not nothing, And that's my.

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Speaker 2: Hard for that. Yeah, no, no, you're you're right.

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Speaker 3: And frankly, they're better at quarterback than Ken dor I

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Speaker 3: thought Ken Dorsey was fine, but Mendoz is a better prospect.

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Speaker 3: I mean, number one, I'm almost ready to entertain trade

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Speaker 3: ideas for this guy. That's how much I like Mendoza.

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Speaker 3: But all right, good to have Rob g back. We

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Speaker 3: didn't get into some of this Ja Morant stuff that's swirling.

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Speaker 2: We got a lot of time.

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Speaker 3: Now the football is winding down, and frankly, the AFC

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Speaker 3: Championship is not really that interesting.

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Speaker 2: With Jared Sidham starting so we'll be back tomorrow. See then,