Speaker 1: You're listening to comedy Central.
Speaker 2: America, land of the free and home to an astronomical
Speaker 2: amount of mass shootings. So I went to the world's
Speaker 2: largest gun show in Tulsa, Oklahoma to investigate our unique
Speaker 2: obsession with guns. The bounty was plentiful, small guns, big guns,
Speaker 2: kamal eclipse katanas for some reason, and more naziswag than
Speaker 2: Harlan Crowe's guest Bathrow eleven acres of guns. Seems weird
Speaker 2: to use acreage as a measurement of guns, but this
Speaker 2: is America, very Why are you here today, America America?
Speaker 2: You're here because America dot dot dot Yes guns. I
Speaker 2: feel like that's an American haiku. Little e Cummings over here.
Speaker 2: What are you looking forward to? Relaxation and being able
Speaker 2: to look.
Speaker 1: At guns free?
Speaker 2: That's relaxing to you. It's sort of like your bond's
Speaker 2: eye tree is. Looking at an array of guns makes
Speaker 2: you zen, it.
Speaker 1: Might feel better.
Speaker 2: And this guy might as well have been at a
Speaker 2: meditation retreat because they were selling guns everywhere, including the
Speaker 2: parking lot. So you're gonna hopefully sell that inside, So
Speaker 2: gene a license. Can you just kind of go into
Speaker 2: the gun show and if you've tried.
Speaker 1: To find somebody wants to buy it, or you find
Speaker 1: what you want to.
Speaker 2: Buy it, and then if somebody is like, I'm interested,
Speaker 2: I'll buy it, then what do you do?
Speaker 1: First of all, you kind of like look them over?
Speaker 2: Is that what a background check is here in Tulson?
Speaker 3: I mean, this isn't where people are going to come
Speaker 3: to maliciously get guns.
Speaker 2: Mostly why not? I guess if I was like I
Speaker 2: need to get a gun quick to do bad shit,
Speaker 2: this is actually exactly where I would come. How much
Speaker 2: is that going for an own? What if I came
Speaker 2: up there and was like, I don't know, I've had
Speaker 2: a little bit of a rough day. My wife just
Speaker 2: broke up with me. I'm a feeling a little on edge.
Speaker 2: How much for your gun?
Speaker 1: Well, I ain't gonna sell it to somebody looks stupid,
Speaker 1: you know, or it looks like he's like crazy as shit.
Speaker 2: You know what if I say the words of somebody
Speaker 2: who's crazy as shit, but I look composed like I
Speaker 2: do right now.
Speaker 1: I'd probably sell it for you.
Speaker 2: Well, this election of firearms was diverse. These days, there's
Speaker 2: only one real star of the gun show.
Speaker 4: What are you hoping to say a couple AR fifteen's
Speaker 4: maybe some tactical ones. I just want to add to it,
Speaker 4: make it more tactical, and make it have some lasers
Speaker 4: or something.
Speaker 2: Why is the AR fifteen such a good gun? It's
Speaker 2: just cool. A lot of people use them for day
Speaker 2: to day there's a lot of day to day AR
Speaker 2: fifteen use it. I have AR style, but I use
Speaker 2: that for hog hunting, pog hunting pog. I got one
Speaker 2: set up for hog hunting.
Speaker 1: Squirrels, deer, wild hogs.
Speaker 2: You're killing wild hogs too. We have had him threaten us,
Speaker 2: but they're been threatened by pigs my dad has. Why
Speaker 2: do you think the AR fifteen is seen as scary
Speaker 2: because it looks like a military weapon? Do you think
Speaker 2: it's scary because it kills a lot of children?
Speaker 1: The weapon doesn't kill the children, it's the person wielding
Speaker 1: the weapon.
Speaker 2: Why did they tend to use that weapon in particular?
Speaker 4: Because in media it's it's portrayed that way.
Speaker 2: Well, nobody in schools it happens that way. Was I
Speaker 2: misunderstanding this? If AR fifteens aren't the real threat in America?
Speaker 2: What is? Look up bicycle accidents, Look up trampoline accidents, coyotes,
Speaker 2: acid attacks, acid attacks. Are there mass acid attacks? I
Speaker 2: wouldn't say mass, but they do happen.
Speaker 1: I believe there are more murders committed in this country
Speaker 1: every year with hammers, baseball bats, and other blunt ford
Speaker 1: objects than any handgun, rifle, shotgun combined.
Speaker 2: Well, that statistics can't be correct. Automobile accidents, falls.
Speaker 1: Poison, heavy books, two by a statue sitting on your table.
Speaker 2: Right, it seems like, yeah, we should, we should. We
Speaker 2: should be looking at all murder weapons from the game
Speaker 2: of Clue and then get to the other lower level
Speaker 2: ones like the AR fifteen. The more I talk to these,
Speaker 2: the more I wondered if all of this tactical shit
Speaker 2: has always been a part of gun culture.
Speaker 5: That's a new thing.
Speaker 2: That's new.
Speaker 5: That's a new thing.
Speaker 2: I went to Montana to talk to Ryan Bussy, who
Speaker 2: spent twenty five years in the gun industry but now
Speaker 2: advocates for a gun safety.
Speaker 5: I'm deeply troubled by the firearms culture that's emerged in
Speaker 5: and around guns in our country now. It mirrors much
Speaker 5: of our political radicalization on transformation as a country. The
Speaker 5: industry itself prior to about two thousand and five or
Speaker 5: two thousand and six would not allow any kind of
Speaker 5: tactical gear, hardly any AR fifteens, no bulletproof vests, no helmets,
Speaker 5: and its own trade shows. It seemed like the industry
Speaker 5: understood that propagating that kind of thing would lead to
Speaker 5: very bad shit.
Speaker 2: You bring an AR fifteen to a gun show in
Speaker 2: two thousand and nine and you're a weirdo.
Speaker 5: Yeah, just two thousand and eight. Two thousand and nine
Speaker 5: is when the weirdo stuff starts wearing off. But yeah,
Speaker 5: you're a weirdo. Then now it's commonplace. Now it's ubiquitous.
Speaker 2: But they used to be weirdos.
Speaker 5: They use to be weirdness.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and AR. I know a lot of liberals think
Speaker 2: AR stands for assault rifle, and the wrong it stands
Speaker 2: for are you looking at my small penis? Is that right?
Speaker 5: It stands for Armolot Rifle, which was the first company
Speaker 5: that developed.
Speaker 2: It, armorite rifle. Yes. Yes, Liberals see the AR fifteen
Speaker 2: and tend to think it's a weapon of war. And
Speaker 2: it feels like I go to a gun show and
Speaker 2: people say it's for hunting, it's for sports. Who's right?
Speaker 5: Well, you just all you have to do is look
Speaker 5: at the industry's own marketing. The industry sells it as
Speaker 5: an offensive weapon.
Speaker 2: Of war, just turning to market towards kids, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so you know guns have long been marketed to kids,
Speaker 5: target guns, trying to get kids involved in the shooting
Speaker 5: sports and in hunting. But what's different now is that's
Speaker 5: being marketed to kids through things like the Jr fifteen,
Speaker 5: the Junior fifteen, not the AR fifteen. The Junior fifteen.
Speaker 5: It's a shrunken down kids version of an AR fifteen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a JR fifteen? Is that so little kids can
Speaker 2: stand up to government overreach.
Speaker 5: If you're worried about trial grooming, here's your child grooming.
Speaker 2: This is how gun manufacturers are reaching out to the public.
Speaker 5: Here you got the marketing for the JR fifteen to
Speaker 5: little kids. Check that out. O.
Speaker 2: Great. So we have pacifiers and a skull tactical passifire
Speaker 2: tactical pacifier. Cute. Yeah, my two and a half year
Speaker 2: old would be drawn to that.
Speaker 5: This is a magazine cover. You have the vicious skateboard
Speaker 5: attacker and the glorious father defending his terribly afflicted family.
Speaker 2: Was that one in case Tony Hawk goes crazy. Yes,
Speaker 2: I need to get this sword. Tony Hawk's here. So
Speaker 2: this is Spike's tactical ad.
Speaker 5: It was a twenty eighteen huge ad at the Industry
Speaker 5: trade show. Guys in jeans, T shirts, backwards, ball cap
Speaker 5: AR fifteen staring down the protesters. Here you have Kyle
Speaker 5: Rittenhouse jeans, backwards, ball cap, T shirt AR fifteen shooting
Speaker 5: the protesters.
Speaker 2: This is two years apart, two.
Speaker 5: Years apart the marketing works. I don't know how if
Speaker 5: you can't draw a direct line between those two things,
Speaker 5: I can't help you.
Speaker 2: What are steps we can take to limit the number
Speaker 2: of mass shootings with weapons like the air fifteen.
Speaker 5: I think, like our politics, a lot of this is
Speaker 5: about voluntary social norms. Yes, legislation needs to be instituted
Speaker 5: to help reinforce some of these norms, but some of
Speaker 5: this is going to be on us.
Speaker 2: That's right, It is on us. So it shouldn't be
Speaker 2: too hard for all of us to come together and
Speaker 2: agree on what weapons should and should not be owned
Speaker 2: by the average civilian. Should should we be able to
Speaker 2: buy tanks? You bet you? Yeah, you bet you. If
Speaker 2: tanks are okay? Should we each be able to have
Speaker 2: apache helicopter. There should be a line of the things
Speaker 2: that are available. Well, maybe we shouldn't go around with
Speaker 2: nuclear bombs. Straped, that's the line. But you don't have
Speaker 2: to buy. You don't have to We had nuclear bombs.
Speaker 2: We were agreen. Looks like we've still got some figuring
Speaker 2: out to do America. You know, as part of my job,
Speaker 2: I talked to a lot of men, a lot of
Speaker 2: dumb men. We treat women with respect here, yes we do.
Speaker 2: That's an American ideal. Tell me about your shirt. What's insane?
Speaker 2: It says Hillary sucks, but not like Monica. Read the
Speaker 2: transcript right, read the transcript. I have not read it.
Speaker 2: Look at the transcript.
Speaker 4: R Yeah, look at the transcript.
Speaker 2: Have you read the transcript?
Speaker 4: I trust the worry of our president. Man, Come on,
Speaker 4: thank you?
Speaker 2: What you got home about yourself?
Speaker 6: A safe space?
Speaker 2: Let me get this right. You're yelling at me to
Speaker 2: find a safe space, and you have elevated yourself with
Speaker 2: a megaphone and you have a shield. Oh well, you
Speaker 2: know we never kept in touch. But outside of my
Speaker 2: job interviewing dumb men, I'm also the father of a
Speaker 2: young son, and as a father, my biggest goal is
Speaker 2: to not end up interviewing my son as part of
Speaker 2: my job. Make sure that happens. He's going to need
Speaker 2: some help. And that's what I want to talk about
Speaker 2: in tonight's long story Short, America is in the midst
Speaker 2: of some long overdue changes around gender and power, reexamining
Speaker 2: ideas of masculinity, femininity, the spectrum in between, and how
Speaker 2: fluid it all is. It's a difficult and necessary conversation,
Speaker 2: but luckily for us, we get to have these nuanced
Speaker 2: debates on Twitter. Now. This cultural change is important, and
Speaker 2: I'm glad it's happening. But when there is a cultural shift,
Speaker 2: it's easy to get lost within it. And even though
Speaker 2: it feels strange to say this, a group that is
Speaker 2: being left out is young boys. And I know, I know,
Speaker 2: I know, or on men, I sound like I'm on
Speaker 2: a network that just got sued out of seven hundred
Speaker 2: and eighty.
Speaker 4: Million dollars, But.
Speaker 2: I know, jokes on you, how many Central doesn't have
Speaker 2: that kind of cash. My point is we've had a
Speaker 2: great conversation about what men shouldn't be. Men shouldn't be toxic,
Speaker 2: they shouldn't be overly aggressive, they shouldn't pay a porn
Speaker 2: star to keep quiet about an affair they had right
Speaker 2: after their son was born.
Speaker 4: It's a high, high bar, but.
Speaker 2: We haven't been showing men what they should be, and
Speaker 2: that matters to young boys who are looking for an identity,
Speaker 2: for a narrative about what it means to be a man,
Speaker 2: and that vacuum is being filled by people with the
Speaker 2: worst possible idea of manhood.
Speaker 6: Former kickboxer and Big Brother contestant Andrew Tate, infamous for
Speaker 6: being the self proclaimed King of Toxic Masculinity, takes core
Speaker 6: message centers around the belief that masculinity is in the
Speaker 6: crosshairs and he's defending it. His target audience young men.
Speaker 4: This whole idea of being toxicy masculine is complete garbage.
Speaker 4: The most dangerous men on her are the weak men.
Speaker 1: Feel feel feel feeling, leave the feelings for the girls, right,
Speaker 1: that's what they do.
Speaker 2: We act.
Speaker 6: We're men of action.
Speaker 4: Empowering females is the easiest way to can the will
Speaker 4: of men. Study, study, study, give up your whole life
Speaker 4: in school. Then you get to be a doctor. You
Speaker 4: can't even buy him with a sports car.
Speaker 5: The problem with most of you is that I am
Speaker 5: sitting here with my sunglasses, bald head, millions of dollars,
Speaker 5: nearly unmatched fighting skills.
Speaker 4: I am Morpheus. I need action. I need constant chaos
Speaker 4: in my life to feel content.
Speaker 2: I need to be.
Speaker 4: Driving a supercar and fighting a bunch of champagne going crazy.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, we get it. You have a small penis.
Speaker 2: Even through the video, you can tell this guy wears
Speaker 2: too much cologne. And by the way, not to tarnish
Speaker 2: his sparkling image. But Andwtate is currently under investigation for
Speaker 2: human trafficking. I know it's always the first one you suspect. Now,
Speaker 2: maybe you don't know Andrew Tate. Maybe you're thinking, who
Speaker 2: is this porn parody Vin Diesel. You may not know him,
Speaker 2: but trust me, your sons do.
Speaker 4: With over thirteen billion views on TikTok, Tate's rhetoric is
Speaker 4: moving from online to the classroom. So I'm a teacher
Speaker 4: and I teach sixth grade.
Speaker 5: The amount of a young eleven year old boys that
Speaker 5: told me that they love Andrew Tate is ridiculous.
Speaker 4: One teacher says she hears blatant misogyny from the boys
Speaker 4: in her class, hearing them say that girls belong in
Speaker 4: the kitchen and only exist for reproduction, and another claiming
Speaker 4: they talk about alpha's in sixth grade now.
Speaker 3: One teacher in South London noticed that his students we're
Speaker 3: parenting Tate's ideology. About a third of the thirty students
Speaker 3: in the class passionately argue that women were responsible for
Speaker 3: their own sexual assaults.
Speaker 4: One of Tate's top lines.
Speaker 2: Wow, times have really changed. When I was in sixth grade,
Speaker 2: the most toxic role model for boys was Michelangelo hates
Speaker 2: Pezza for breakfast, lunch and dinner that Turtle doesn't give us. Seriously,
Speaker 2: how can you be misogynistic in sixth grade? It's like
Speaker 2: the one year in life where all the girls are
Speaker 2: bigger than you. I wouldn't be running my mouth about
Speaker 2: Alison if Alison could hang me by my underwear on
Speaker 2: the flag pole. The solution to this problem is not
Speaker 2: to cancel enter. Tate Inner pole is probably going to
Speaker 2: do that for us, because even if he disappeared, Even
Speaker 2: if he disappeared, someone else would take his place and
Speaker 2: spew toxic shit at young boys just as well, and
Speaker 2: social media algorithms would pump it into young boys eyes
Speaker 2: and ears just as fast. Because that's really all this
Speaker 2: is about. Entertate is not interested in being a role model.
Speaker 2: He wants clicks for money. He doesn't want to raise
Speaker 2: your son. He's taken Dad's seat at the table. But
Speaker 2: he's really the loudmouthed uncle, that uncle who seems cool
Speaker 2: when you're a kid, but when you grow up you
Speaker 2: realize living in a hotel is not a vacation. What
Speaker 2: we need is an alternative, positive narrative for young men
Speaker 2: to follow. And it's ironic that these guys are talking
Speaker 2: about taking the red pill and using these matrix metaphors,
Speaker 2: because if you're looking for a complex, emotionally available male
Speaker 2: role model to counter their bullshit idea of manhood, just
Speaker 2: look at the guy who took the red pill. Keanu
Speaker 2: reeves this. This is a man who is wildly considered
Speaker 2: to be kind and decent. He donates huge sums of
Speaker 2: money to cancer research. He gives up his seat to
Speaker 2: women on the subway. He bought Sandra Bullock champagne and
Speaker 2: truffles because she had never had them before. He's the
Speaker 2: perfect man. Maybe his movies glorified gun violence, but nobody's perfect,
Speaker 2: and that makes him even more perfect. Because our children
Speaker 2: shouldn't strive for perfection that will only make them sad,
Speaker 2: and those movies sometimes are pretty cool. The point is,
Speaker 2: young boys need a cultural role model who is kind
Speaker 2: and comfortable in his skin, not guys who are so
Speaker 2: fragile in their masculinity that they can't puff a cigar
Speaker 2: without putting it on every social media platform like they
Speaker 2: invented fire. Hell Kiata Reeves he isn't even on social media,
Speaker 2: that's how healthy he is. So so, as a society,
Speaker 2: we have two options. We can either follow Keanu Reeves
Speaker 2: around and put everything he does on TikTok, or probably better,
Speaker 2: we make sure that the conversation about modern society includes
Speaker 2: a role for men that young boys can look up to.
Speaker 2: Because long story short, if we don't talk to our boys,
Speaker 2: Andrew Tate is going to talk to them, and that
Speaker 2: means ten years from now, I'm gonna be talking to him.
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