1 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:06,199 Speaker 1: Welcome Inside with the Insider as long as Ian Rappaport 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: I am Tom Telicero. It is a Monday podcast edition 3 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: of the show. If you're not familiar, this show, The 4 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: Insiders is on NFL Network SIMPIM Eastern Time Tuesdays, Wednesdays 5 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 1: and Fridays throughout the regular season, but on Mondays because 6 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: we've got a pre game show before Monday Night Football, 7 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: which we will get into a little bit later on, 8 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: you get a two part podcast from us instead. Stacy 9 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 1: Dales and Adam Rank will be along as well. But 10 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: let's start out Ian by getting some of the big injuries, 11 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: because there were a handful of them in those games yesterday. 12 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 1: Starting out with the news on Nick Bosa, the forty 13 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: nine Ers defensive end, who how Shanahans struck a somewhat 14 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: optimistic tone after the game yesterday, but also had decaution 15 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: of based on how he's feeling, we are concerned and 16 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: those concerns now realize. 17 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think you know the main concern was 18 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 2: was looking at Bosa himself, right, I mean you watched 19 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 2: him walk off the field. He knew it was the 20 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 2: same knee as wasn't last year. But a couple of 21 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 2: years ago when he tore the ACL and his reaction 22 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 2: really set all right, and you know, he talked to 23 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 2: people who were involved in this situation and they were 24 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 2: not nearly as optimistic I would say, as as Kyle Shanahan, right. 25 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, he's he often could be very 26 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 2: transparent on injuries. I think for Brock Purdy, he was 27 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 2: really pretty honest, like it's basically turf tow He's gonna 28 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 2: be out a couple of weeks, and last week it 29 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 2: was like he's getting better. He could be a backup. 30 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:32,759 Speaker 2: He wasn't. But you know, I think he's really pretty transparent, 31 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 2: but sometimes they just go the other way, and this one, 32 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 2: based on his reaction, based on people closed him just 33 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 2: knew it wasn't good. Test confirmed a little bit ago 34 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 2: that Nick Bosa is now out for the season with 35 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 2: another torn a cl I think you did a good 36 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 2: job actually on Twitter of explaining why the initial testing 37 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 2: didn't job with the MRI, basically because the knee has 38 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 2: already been reconstructed and so it doesn't feel like other knees, 39 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 2: which I think was a really good, a really good point, 40 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 2: and I think something that probably added some caution or 41 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 2: whatever to Kyle shannon words yesterday. But for the forty 42 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 2: nine ers, I mean, it's Kittle on ir it's pretty 43 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 2: us missed a couple of games. It's Bosho's out for 44 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 2: the season. I mean, there's there's Juwan Jennings has been 45 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 2: banged up, didn't play, Brandon a Yuke hasn't played yet. 46 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 2: They're three and zero, and I think it's real because 47 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 2: they have played well. But it's pretty alarming. I just 48 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 2: I don't know how it's pretty alarming just what they've 49 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 2: had to deal with. 50 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: In the forty nine ers. It seems like every what 51 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: three years, go through just hell of injuries. It's happened 52 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 1: several times now since Kyle Shanahan got there. We know 53 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:49,959 Speaker 1: he's one of the top coaches, certainly one of the 54 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 1: top offensive coaches in the NFL. He's as talented at 55 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: scheming people open as anybody in the league. And now 56 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: with Robert Soli back and running the defense, I mean 57 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: that defense has looked like they have before. But there 58 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: were times yesterday where, if I'm not mistaken, there were 59 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: five rookies playing on the San Francisco defense at the 60 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: same time. Taking a Nick Bosa, one of the most 61 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: accomplished pass rushers of this era of the NFL off 62 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: the field and now relying on Michael Williams a step 63 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: on up. You know, you could sit there and say, well, 64 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: they've trade for somebody. We've seen the forty Niners make 65 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 1: a lot of bold trades. They get a lot of 66 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: cash and aap space tied up in the existing roster. 67 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: This may well be. 68 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 2: It's also like trade for who you know, like you know. 69 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: Well, as this season moves on, we're still what six 70 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: weeks I believe from the trade deadline here, So some 71 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: of those teams are sitting there at ozen three. If 72 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: that BECOMESZHO four and on and five, then maybe suretain 73 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: guys were not thinking about right now start to become available. 74 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 2: But very much it's to get my list together. 75 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: You got you got it, I got mine going right here. 76 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: You have to focus on some of those young guys 77 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: taking on better roles than to your point. You're hoping 78 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: as this thing goes on, at some point maybe November 79 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: Ayuk is out there and able to be an impact 80 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: player again. Party We'll see how this plays out. Even 81 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: through the course of this week, Mac Jones was limping 82 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: around out there yesterday too. I mean he could barely 83 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: even hand the ball off at the end of the game. 84 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: You said Ian was an aggravation of a prior PCL 85 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: spring for Mac Jones. So now this once again creates 86 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: at least some level of question about who's gonna be 87 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: out there quarterback for the forty niners this week. 88 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, it really does. The backup quarterback who you probably 89 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 2: don't think I know, but I do know Adrian Martinez, 90 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 2: which obviously I know a lot about him. 91 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 1: Where did you play college Footballian? 92 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 2: He played at Arizona State. No, that is Kent Miami 93 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 2: of Ohio. 94 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: No, okay, you're way off Kansas State and Nebraska at 95 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: the two places, Adrian Mark That was my other guesses 96 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 1: that would be now. But it does seem like between Mac, 97 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: once they got the brace adjusted, it seemed like he 98 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,280 Speaker 1: could move a little bit better yesterday. We'll see exactly 99 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: what his health looks like in the coming weeks here 100 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 1: and I'm at rock party. He was limited all last week. 101 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: It was close enough that they at least talked about 102 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: having him active, and that would suggest that certainty would 103 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 1: suggest to maybe parties back this week. 104 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 2: Well, I have a different question, what and I think 105 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 2: I have an answer, but I have a different question. 106 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 2: What do you think? And I know we have a 107 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 2: lot to get to this can be fast. What do 108 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 2: you think mac Jones did in these last two games? Like, 109 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,359 Speaker 2: he's got another year on his contract with the forty 110 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 2: nine ers, so I don't know that he's going anywhere, 111 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 2: but certainly he could. So what do you think he 112 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 2: did the last couple games for his like value end status. 113 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: I guess, well, he got halfway to his incentives, which 114 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: four wins would unlock his one hundred thousand dollars per 115 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 1: win that he gets. But but additionally, I mean he 116 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: showed why Kyle Shanahan liked him coming out in the 117 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 1: draft some years ago, before they pivoted and went with 118 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: the upside of a Trey Lance over mac Jones. Mack 119 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:50,840 Speaker 1: obviously goes to New England, then gets created Jacksonville, and 120 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 1: then becomes a free agent. Kyle brings him in. You're 121 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: committed to Brock party. This is not in any way 122 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: a question about his Brock party. To Gay, he is 123 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: fifty million dollars over fifty million dollars per year. He 124 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: is your quarterback for the foreseeable future. But at minimum 125 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: you got a really really good number two, which you 126 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: know with Brock he's had different injuries. They're usually like 127 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: freak type of injuries, which I think this one certainly was. 128 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: But you've got somebody who you know now can step 129 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: in and play football at a pretty high level. Mentioned 130 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: a couple of the other year quickly, James Connor from 131 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: the Cardinals. That's a significant type of a knee injury. 132 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 1: All expectations is he's done for the year. He's gonna 133 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: undergo surgery. As Ian mentioned last night, ankle, yes, ankle, 134 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 1: What did I say mean time ankle? It was bad. 135 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 1: It was a bad, bad looking injury. 136 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 2: Usually when players are all on the field, both sides 137 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 2: watching him get carted off as bad. 138 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: Same thing with Najie Harris torn achilles. You could see that. 139 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: I think at this point we all are pseudo experts 140 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: on being able to see the pop in the calf. 141 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 1: That was one of the most blatant ones you're going 142 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: to see. So for Najie Harris, who season never really 143 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: even got started, missing all of camp after the fourth 144 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: July FIREUS explosion in the eye injury, gets back out there. 145 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:05,359 Speaker 1: Terris's achilles, he and James Connor Bill said to be 146 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: free agents this March, a little bit later in their careers, 147 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: not more so for James Connor than for Naji coming 148 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: off major injuries. Something to keep in mind as we 149 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: get to February and March. Here then he got Ceedee 150 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: lamb Ian, who that was an ugly looking injury. You 151 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: know where it's now it looks like it's got some 152 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: of the elements of a hip drop tackle. It does 153 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: that play From just talking to some people who are 154 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: smarter than I am about exactly how the NFL looks 155 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: at this play, it doesn't sound like this is a 156 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: hip drop tackle because there's no grasp you would need 157 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: the unwaiting but also the grasp where he just kind 158 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: of goes down awkwardly there. He'saw CD tried to get 159 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: back out there, he wasn't able to move. It's a 160 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: high ankle sprain, which DOT maybe on the shorter side 161 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: of this ian. But the optimism that CD had last 162 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: night about even playing in a big game this week 163 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: against the Packers was probably a little lower. 164 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 2: For the optimist, Yeah, I think that that's not gonna happen. 165 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 2: My understanding, first of all, the timeline is he's out 166 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 2: two weeks and then week to week after that. So 167 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 2: they do not plan to put him on IR, which 168 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 2: means if you say, like, what's the most likely scenario 169 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 2: my educated guests is he probably misses three games and 170 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 2: then plays the fourth. I think he's got a chance. 171 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 2: First of all, amazing that he went back out there. 172 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 2: And also, you know you talk about Nick Bosa knowing, 173 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 2: knowing how injured he was, like Cedd clearly knew, tried 174 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 2: to run, took himself out. Nope. But then the other 175 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 2: thing is after the game, like sometimes there could be 176 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 2: optimism and then it settles in and then he's in 177 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 2: a walking boot in the facility and you're like, okay, 178 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 2: this is this is pretty real. This is tough for 179 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 2: the Cowboys. He is one of their best players. So 180 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 2: for the fantasy world, he is one of the best 181 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 2: fantasy receivers who was a top ten pick in almost 182 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:54,079 Speaker 2: every league. The Cowboys have had some real challenges and 183 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:58,199 Speaker 2: I am really curious to see what it ends up being. 184 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 2: Like last last yesterday, it was bad Bears were I 185 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 2: know the Bears came into this thinking that they were 186 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 2: going to be more physical than the Cowboys were, and 187 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 2: they for sure were they thought they were going to 188 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 2: be more physical than the Cowboys receivers Ceedee Lamb didn't 189 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 2: finish the game, and I think that was it was 190 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 2: all pretty clear. I'm really curious where the Cowboys go 191 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 2: from here, Knowing one of their best players is going 192 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 2: to be out, knowing they were going to have to 193 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 2: rely on other receivers who are certainly much not as accomplished, 194 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 2: and knowing what happened to matt Eberflus's defense against Ben 195 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 2: Johnson and the Bears. 196 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: That's the staggering part is that the defense has been 197 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: as bad. Now in Maddi Eberflus's defense, you losed her 198 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: on Bland. You have Trayvon Diggs who's kind of in 199 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 1: and out. He was in the medical ten yesterday. So 200 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: you're talking about two of your top corners. You know, 201 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: they've had Kenny Clark he got banged up in that 202 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 1: game as well. They have not stopped the run, and 203 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: oh yeah, they can't rush the passer without Michael Parsons. 204 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: That's the first game in King Williams's career, which grand 205 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: isn't that many game, first time in his career he 206 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: hasn't been sacked. Think about that. So much. What we 207 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 1: talked about last year was Caleb Williams being sacked at 208 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: a historic rate. They didn't touch him in that game, 209 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: and so yeah, a lot for Dallas to figure out 210 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: as we roll. 211 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 2: For you, sorry, I know you have so many other 212 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:20,079 Speaker 2: things to get to, but just walk quick. It's been 213 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 2: rough for obviously for the Cowboys. When you trade Micah 214 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 2: all the Cowboys fans and I happened to follow a 215 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 2: few fan accounts on Twitter just because I like to 216 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 2: see what the fans are talking about sometimes and trade Mike, 217 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 2: and it was immediately like, like, it's a rebuilding year, 218 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 2: Like I don't want to say that, but like, do 219 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:41,559 Speaker 2: you think. 220 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,079 Speaker 1: It's the truth, And it's the reason that up until 221 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 1: probably a week before where it got very loud within 222 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: the league about Michael Parsons being traded, I was just like, 223 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: I understand the theory of why you would do it, 224 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:56,839 Speaker 1: but this is eighty two, eighty three year old Jerry 225 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: Jones going into a rebuild and I just don't see it. 226 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: Which also there's also that, you know, kind of dissonance 227 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: with Jerry's postgame remark spot I still think this is 228 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: a playoff team. Look at how Dak Prescott play. Well, 229 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: it's not a playoff looking team right now when you 230 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 1: think about where the Bears were in their first two games, 231 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: and then they absolutely outclassed the Cowboys in that one. 232 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:21,079 Speaker 1: I mean the Cowboys one win was a product of 233 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: Brandon Aubrey having a freakish leg and kicking an extremely 234 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: long field goal, or they would have lost that game too, 235 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:28,079 Speaker 1: and they'd been three. 236 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 2: So they do. 237 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 1: Jerry's going to keep dangling it. We talked about this 238 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 1: the day of Micah Parsons trade. It's gonna be I 239 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: got these picks and he's been any time watch out, 240 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 1: I'm not using it. 241 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 2: Didn't we hear it? Yester? Today it was. 242 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: Again, Yes, so we keep keep hearing it. But is 243 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: that just a way to keep them relevant or they 244 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: actually going to do it. We'll find out Mike Evans too. 245 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: By the way, quick update on the Bucks wide receiver 246 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: MRI pushed to tomorrow, but sounds like optimism for Todd 247 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: Bowles and maybe this one's not as severe as some 248 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 1: of the hamstring injuries to Mike Evans has had in 249 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: the past. Let's get to a non injury issue and 250 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 1: one that came up based upon what we saw more 251 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: specifically what we didn't see last night in New York. 252 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: It felt ian frankly, a lot like the past couple 253 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: of years have felt, which is a pumped up crowd 254 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: and MetLife stadium, whether they're playing at one PM or 255 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 1: playing in prime time and they just have nothing offensively, 256 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 1: there's a lot of different ways to get into this. 257 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: We saw them go to Dallas and put up a 258 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:28,559 Speaker 1: bunch of points, and it was Russ throwing moon balls 259 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: and the deep shots, and Wandale got going, Leak Neighbors 260 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 1: got going. Last night, Steve Spagnola completely took away Milik Neighbors. 261 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 1: I think he had two catches in the game. 262 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 2: I think they doubled the most. Every play looked. 263 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: Like they absolutely decided we're not gonna let that guy 264 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: beat us. But I was struck by Russ. This looked 265 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: like the Russ we saw at times down the stretch 266 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: last season, where once the moon balls aren't there, once 267 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 1: the verticals aren't there, he doesn't really have an answer. 268 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: There were a bunch of times he tried to scramble. 269 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: There was one second and goal from the fourteen design 270 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: quarterback draw where he just doesn't move the way that 271 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: he used to. But the most staggering thing Ian was 272 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: that red zone sequence where on first down he throws 273 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: the ball up the tunnel and gets a intentional grounding, 274 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: but on third and fourth down he throws the ball away. 275 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: Is this is earlier in the game. Third and fourth 276 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 1: down he throws the ball away. This is the game, 277 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: this is you have to score. You don't throw the 278 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 1: ball in play on fourth down. I just I can't 279 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,719 Speaker 1: even begin to fathom. This is one of those plays, right, 280 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 1: that's the intention set. 281 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 2: That's the fourth round. 282 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: No, that's the first that's the first down where they 283 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:37,839 Speaker 1: got backed up. 284 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 3: But I just I was watching it and going, there's 285 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 3: no way he's gonna throw the ball away on third 286 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 3: and fourth down. You have to Jameis Winston's got his issues, 287 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 3: but Jameis Winston that spot would have thrown the ball 288 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 3: to someone. 289 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:50,719 Speaker 1: On every down I might have gotten picked, might have 290 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: been a touchdown. He's gonna throw it to someone. Russ 291 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,559 Speaker 1: doing that, a veteran quarterback and just throwing the football away. 292 00:13:56,679 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: I just it blew my mind. I just I don't 293 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: understand it. And it's one more reason that you have 294 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:04,599 Speaker 1: to think that Brian Dable as you said today is 295 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: considered a change. 296 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean I tried very hard and I know 297 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 2: you do too, but that was the fourth down. I 298 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 2: tried very hard and I know you do too, to 299 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 2: really keep things there. 300 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 1: That the cutaway to her. 301 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's like every Giants fan is like, yeah, 302 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 2: that's that's it. That's correct. One weird thing that happens 303 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 2: any instance. The Vikings have been good recently. I don't 304 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 2: think you probably get this nearly as much as I do. 305 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 2: But whenever the Jets are Giants do something ridiculous, I 306 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 2: get like text from all my buddies. A lot of 307 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 2: people were up last night at eleven o'clock or whenever 308 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 2: it was, got a lot of Russell Wilson texts. Yeah, 309 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 2: we got a lot to say. I don't know how 310 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 2: much time we have. I feel like we should. I don't. 311 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 2: I feel you want to continue this in the next segment. 312 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 2: You want to take a break. We have so much 313 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 2: to say. 314 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: Seriously, no, no, keep going, keep going unloaded on me. 315 00:14:56,200 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 2: All right, it's time. It gets time. Like I it's 316 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 2: tough to watch. We all know what we're watching, you know, 317 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 2: Russell Wilson making that kind of play, throwing the ball 318 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 2: way and fourth down is a signal that even he 319 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 2: knows it's enough, it's over. Like I don't know how 320 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 2: you bring him back out there. Everyone in the world 321 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 2: wants to see Jackson dark, not because it's something new, 322 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 2: but because there's something there, like it's real. I think 323 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 2: they think he's going to be really good. They tried 324 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 2: to get through the tough part of the schedule. It 325 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 2: doesn't seem like it's going to happen like it's time 326 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 2: and I. 327 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: Don't that's part of the issue this week. I mean, 328 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: the two sides of the three and zero chargers are 329 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: coming in this week. Do you want to run the 330 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: risk of rolling Russ out there and they're booing from 331 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: the start, or do you want to roll Jackson Dart 332 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: out there where you might not have Andrew Thomas being 333 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: able to play full time. You don't have to run 334 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: Tracy although Cam Scataboo, if you want silver lining the 335 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: last night Cam Scataboo looks very real and reminding everybody 336 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: why I was as shocked as I was that he 337 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: did not go high in the draft. But I mean, 338 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: you want to be you want to be deliberate, you 339 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: want to be decisive, about how you're bringing along a 340 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: young quarterback. But this is also one of those moments 341 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: where it just to you to your point it feels 342 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: like something has to change and you can't just keep 343 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: going out there and doing the same, can't. 344 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 2: I mean, and and I hate to say this because 345 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 2: you don't want to like sort of bow or listen 346 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 2: to the fans, right because these should be like educated, 347 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 2: intelligent football discussions. But that is a real part of it. 348 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 2: When it's a home game and you know, like they're 349 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 2: boon last night, Dart goes in a couple of nice plays, 350 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 2: Russ comes back in, they do like crazy, and I'm 351 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 2: just like, how can how can this go on? Like 352 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 2: it can't? So it's time. I don't know if Brian 353 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 2: Dabo is gonna do, but I think I know what 354 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 2: he's gonna do, and I think you probably do too, 355 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 2: And I think it's time. And let's see what decision 356 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 2: they make, probably tomorrow morning, but seems like it's time. 357 00:16:51,920 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 4: Or from me insiders after this, Wheeland niels at the 358 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 4: thirty three. 359 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,159 Speaker 1: This is a forty three yard field goal. Try to 360 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: hit Green Bay the league. 361 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:17,959 Speaker 3: It is fucked balls down to the ground. 362 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 2: Hey, Greg goes the balls on it on. 363 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:23,360 Speaker 5: The forty seven of the ground sends the Lord off 364 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 5: the edge just like I told you he was so 365 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 5: close to. 366 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 2: It on that extra point. 367 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,640 Speaker 6: He comes around the edge and gets it right there. 368 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 2: Special teeth. 369 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 1: And now Andre Schmidt for the wind from fifty five 370 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:41,160 Speaker 1: yards out. Two second step, snap is back, kick is up, 371 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 1: and the kick is right down. 372 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 2: Pick it up. It's god. I'm oh tap the Green 373 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 2: Bay black hands. 374 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: Great call there from our old friend Andrew Siciliano, the 375 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: voice of the Cleveland Browns. What a wild day of 376 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 1: on paper for a lot of the games got a 377 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 1: bad ugly games that all ended in wild finishes. As 378 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: welcome or Adam Rank and Stacy Dale's to the conversation. Stacy, 379 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 1: I'll start with you. You were there in Cleveland sitting 380 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:17,719 Speaker 1: back watching you know that game. I had it up 381 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: on one side of my TV at home. I was 382 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: watching Red. So there was no reason with about four 383 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 1: minutes to go to think that this is going to 384 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: be anything other than a devastating Brown's punchless loss. 385 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 2: And then it flips. 386 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: Just tell me from your perspective in the stadium what 387 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: you saw there. 388 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 5: Hey, guys. 389 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 2: It was wild. 390 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:39,159 Speaker 5: So the conversation in the press box. The murmurs in 391 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 5: the press box were, all right, let's get Dylan Gabriel 392 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 5: going here. When is Joe going to get pulled here? 393 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 5: You know, guys, you know Kevin Stefanski, Well, he's not 394 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 5: going to disrespect a veteran quarterback of Super Bowl winning 395 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 5: quarterback like Joe Flacco, So it will be a very 396 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 5: strategic move when that happen. Weapons But then you go 397 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 5: and you see Grant Delpit get that interception, and you 398 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 5: watch how things transpire and the brilliance of Joe Flacco 399 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 5: in the hurry up to go down it for that kick, 400 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 5: and that operation was incredible. Would a rookie quarterback be 401 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 5: able to do? 402 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 2: That? Was so fast, so freaking fast. 403 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,880 Speaker 5: Go back and watch it. It's all over social. I mean, 404 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 5: it was so cool to see it in person. I 405 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 5: was I'm over there on the packer sideline. You guys 406 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 5: know how it works, right, You think you're getting a 407 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 5: packer and then. 408 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 2: Oh wait, yeah, So anyway, it was a really did 409 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 2: you run over? 410 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 5: Well? I walked very briskly to the middle of the field, 411 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 5: and I didn't know who I was getting. We asked 412 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 5: for Miles Garrett and Grant Delpit, and I got Delpit 413 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 5: and he celebrated his birthday the day before. 414 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:49,919 Speaker 2: So it was a cool gift for him. 415 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: Rank you sitting back watching that game on the couch 416 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: as a Bears fan. We'll get to that remarkable performance momentarily. 417 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 1: Here I imagined you were. You were relishing every second 418 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: of that. Oh you need a microphone on their rank. 419 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:10,120 Speaker 2: You know, on this show, we like to hear when 420 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 2: the first time rank is on a podcast. Well, I'm not. 421 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 6: I'm I'm sorry about that. Yet. I did not go 422 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 6: in and check the the the equipment, which is good 423 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 6: because I was chiming in while Stacey was talking the 424 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 6: whole time. I should have kind of figured it out 425 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 6: that I didn't didn't have everything working. That's fine, That's 426 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 6: what I'm like. Oh, they're just ignoring me, Like this 427 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 6: is this is what it's like being you know, I'm 428 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 6: used to being the alpha dog on Fantasy Live and 429 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 6: now I'm like, oh, I'm being relegated to the kids table. 430 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 2: That's fine. Do the other guys view you as the 431 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 2: alpha dog on Fantasy Live? 432 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: Or is that just you? 433 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 2: Just me? 434 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 6: It doesn't matter, it's just me. I I kind of 435 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 6: I kind of view myself in that lens, you know what, 436 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 6: I walk around like the backstay like I'm triple H 437 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 6: walking around pulling the strings. But here's my thing. I 438 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 6: was watching that and a Packers fan was at the 439 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 6: facility where we were watching this game. He's like, stupid, 440 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 6: stupid special teams. It's no big deal. And I said, hey, pal, 441 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 6: you are a special teams play away from being zero 442 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 6: to six in the division last year. So this is 443 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 6: just a coming full circle moment. But it just goes 444 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 6: to show you like this is This is one of 445 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 6: the things why I try not to get try not 446 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 6: to overreact to things that happened in the first couple 447 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 6: of weeks of the season, because like last week, the 448 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 6: narrative was like, are the Packers even going to lose 449 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 6: a game? Are they going to go undefeated? How badly 450 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 6: are they going to win the Super Bowl? Now they 451 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 6: lost to the Browns. It's just one of those things, 452 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 6: like there are professional ballplayers on both teams. Cleveland Rose 453 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 6: the occasion, I don't think that Jared Listen, Jordan Love 454 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 6: is fine. He's a good quarterback. He's gonna go out there, 455 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,400 Speaker 6: He's going to face the Dallas Cowboys this week, he's 456 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 6: gonna throw for four hundred yards and then you guys 457 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 6: can all go back on the bandwagon and everything will 458 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 6: be fine. 459 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: Well, Stacey, I'm gonna ask you this because you spend 460 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: a lot of time around the Packers team too. I mean, 461 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: they were if you were talking about them, Is this 462 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: the best team in football? And through those first two games? 463 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: And defense, once again, I'll say, whatever you know about 464 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: the Browns offense, they've got their challenges, but once again, 465 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: it was a it was a pretty dominant defensive effort, 466 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 1: especially when you remember that the one touchdown the Browns 467 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: scored was the product of just a weird interception that 468 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,400 Speaker 1: leads a couple of plays later to a touchdown. What's 469 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: the level of concern that you sense about Green Bay 470 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 1: or just from your own eyes watching it, about whether 471 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: or not you know this was an operation versus this 472 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: is a sign of maybe some of the things that 473 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: they got to fix here moving forward. 474 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 5: Tom, I would chalk this one up to a good 475 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,880 Speaker 5: loss for the Packers because of all that hype. I mean, 476 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 5: you get a little humble pie in the NFL. And 477 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 5: the thing about their team is they're young, but they 478 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 5: have really good leadership. I was in both locker rooms 479 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 5: after the game, by the way, and it was so 480 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 5: cool because I talked to Bubba Ventron, the special teams coach, 481 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,439 Speaker 5: before the game, about the Browns and like, damn, your 482 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 5: defense is good, and he's like, yeah, it is, and 483 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 5: we got to be better on special teams. So special 484 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 5: teams and defense for them came through. I saw him 485 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 5: after the game. He's pumped in his locker room, and 486 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 5: then I go to the Packers locker room and Micah 487 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 5: Parsons is so interesting because as he gets ready to 488 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 5: face the Cowboys this week, it's going to be fun. 489 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 5: It's going to be a lot of banter going on 490 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 5: about that game. But he was really interesting at his 491 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 5: locker you guys last night, because you know, he took 492 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 5: full accountability. 493 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 2: Tom. 494 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,679 Speaker 5: To answer your question, He's like, I had two offsides 495 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 5: in that game. That's unacceptable for a player of my caliber. 496 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:34,439 Speaker 5: It's an eighteen you know, run season, and we run 497 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,719 Speaker 5: through eighteen weeks in this season and there's a lot 498 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,880 Speaker 5: of football to play. And what was also really interesting 499 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,439 Speaker 5: is how many times did you see Jeff Hafley as 500 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 5: a defensive coordinator. Right He's got a few guys huddled 501 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 5: up at I think it was Xavier McKinney's locker, and 502 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 5: they were all kind of having an interesting conversation about 503 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 5: the defense. And that's unusual, I don't You don't typically 504 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,119 Speaker 5: see coordinators go and kind of grab a few guys, 505 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 5: but that something I also saw. They have an outstanding defense, 506 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 5: but they're really good, so are the Browns Defensively. The Browns, 507 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 5: you could argue that they'll tell you we think we're 508 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 5: the best defense in the NFL, and they put on 509 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 5: a display of that yesterday. But I don't since any 510 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 5: concern Tom sorry Rank about where the Packers are going. 511 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,159 Speaker 5: This is a really good team, and I had a 512 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 5: couple of coaches around the league text me about the 513 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 5: division this morning. We all still think the Packers are 514 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 5: really damn good and they will bounce back from this. 515 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 5: I expect them to have a really good performance. 516 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 6: Next week, we'll. 517 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 1: Talk about the Vikings getting to win a blowout fashion 518 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: with Carson Wentz to quarterback. We get to the Monday 519 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: night game too. Lions face the Ravens tonight. That's in 520 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 1: part two of the podcast, which you also can find. 521 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 1: But let's talk about the Bears here. For a second, Stacey, 522 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: You're based in Chicago, but as our resident Bears super fan. 523 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 2: I gotta let Rank go first on this one. We've 524 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 2: been waiting for this. 525 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: Rank. This was, this was the moment right here, this 526 00:24:59,440 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: is what it was. 527 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 2: I want to like, Tom, I want to jump in. 528 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 2: I want to jump in really quick because I want 529 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 2: to tell Rank what I told you in the segment before, 530 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 2: which was the Bears. I want to hear what you 531 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 2: think The Bears went into this thinking that they were 532 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,880 Speaker 2: more physical than the Cowboys and believing that they would 533 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 2: show that and that would help them get their first win. 534 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 2: Having seen that, do you agree? 535 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 6: I would agree. I think this is something that goes 536 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 6: back to the joint practices they had with the Miami Dolphins, 537 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 6: and that the Dolphins media was complaining that the Bears 538 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 6: were too mean to them. I think in the first 539 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,719 Speaker 6: couple of weeks of the season, we really didn't get 540 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 6: an opportunity. 541 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 2: Now that's what. 542 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 6: That's all the Dolphins media. Why are the Bears trying 543 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 6: so hard, like because they're playing football. I don't know, 544 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 6: Maybe you guys should try it for a change. Obviously, 545 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 6: what happened in the first two weeks of the season. 546 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 6: Happened in the first two weeks of the season, and 547 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 6: it's not unusual for a new coaching staff to really 548 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 6: try to find their bearings as they're moving forward and 549 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,399 Speaker 6: trying to get everything, try to get their system in. 550 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 6: And one of the things that when you look at 551 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 6: this game, obviously Caleb Williams goes out there throws for 552 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 6: nearly three hundred yards four touchdowns, and I think a 553 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 6: lot of people who are not fans of the Chicago 554 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 6: Bears will say, well, look, Mitch Trubisky had a six 555 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 6: touchdown game against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Justin Fields had 556 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:15,440 Speaker 6: his moments during his time. Even last season, the Bears 557 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 6: looked really good in London against Jacksonville. What is different 558 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,479 Speaker 6: this year? And to me, the biggest difference is going 559 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 6: to be Ben Johnson and what we saw during the 560 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 6: postgame locker room ceremony yesterday. If you want to go 561 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 6: out and dig this up, I don't know if you 562 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 6: guys fix this in posts or you save it or 563 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 6: whatever you do. If you watch Matt Eberflus in Week 564 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 6: one against San Francisco when he got his first first 565 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 6: win of the Sea, first win of his NFL career 566 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 6: not really inspiring. Should have been the reddest of red flags, 567 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 6: sitting there soaking wet in a fluke win over the 568 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 6: forty nine ers, whereas Ben Johnson comes in with all 569 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:57,879 Speaker 6: sorts of juice and swagger and really accountability for what 570 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 6: is going on now. I will caution people, Tyler Williams 571 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,439 Speaker 6: is not going to throw four touchdowns every week. There 572 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 6: are gonna be times where he goes up against a 573 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 6: tough defense. It could be the Browns, they can be 574 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 6: even Green Bay where it's gonna be a little bit 575 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,160 Speaker 6: of a struggle. But what we're seeing is Ben Johnson 576 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,919 Speaker 6: putting the pieces into place to make this team competitive 577 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,200 Speaker 6: this season. And I think that we're going to see 578 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 6: the Bears take step forwards, take steps forward as they 579 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 6: continue to march through the twenty eighteen season. 580 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: And speaking of putting the pieces in place, Stacy, the 581 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 1: other thing I'm struct just even watching those highlights for 582 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,880 Speaker 1: you know, yes, they got Robo Dodensday has been great 583 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 1: so far this season. You saw DJ Moore getting the 584 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: end zone yesterday when the Cowboys just decided let's not 585 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: cover one of the better receivers in the NFL. But 586 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,679 Speaker 1: you got a Luther Burden highlight in there. You've got 587 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: a Colston Loveland highlight in there. Even Kyle Malung, guy 588 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: who you talked about with us on The Insiders after 589 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 1: week one, got rolling in the game. 590 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 2: If you're thinking. 591 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 1: About the broader, like the global how we're putting this 592 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,879 Speaker 1: thing together, these are the guys that Ben drafted or 593 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: along with Ryan Pols to fit what he wants to do. 594 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: The fact those guys get rolling in week three seems 595 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:01,120 Speaker 1: like a really good side. 596 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 5: Tom, You're so right on. It was huge yesterday. It 597 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,640 Speaker 5: was huge. I mean, that's arguably the best. Tom Brady 598 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 5: said it in the broadcast, the best that he's seen 599 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 5: Caleb Williams play. But our guys just showed you the 600 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 5: flee flicker there at sixty five yard, or to Luther Burden, 601 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,640 Speaker 5: who was the top receiver yesterday and was over one 602 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 5: hundred yards for the first time career highs for him. 603 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 5: They came out of we two pretty pissed off. The 604 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 5: Bears did, and the person at the forefront of that 605 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 5: was Ben Johnson, pissed off at the practice habits. Go 606 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 5: back and watch the flea flicker and go take a 607 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 5: look at Ben Johnson on the sideline. I mean, this 608 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 5: dude is he is laser focused on next play, next play. 609 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 5: He's not even celebrating this thing. And I texted with 610 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 5: a couple of people at the Bears last night. They 611 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 5: were more happy about those guys playing their asses off, 612 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 5: That's what I was told, than the win. Even you 613 00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 5: could see that they took coaching last week. Rank. They 614 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 5: took coaching, and when players buy in in the NFL 615 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 5: and they take coaching, you guys know, any given Sunday, Monday, Thursday, 616 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 5: any team can win. Look what the Browns did the Packers. 617 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 5: So they took the coaching. They put it in, they 618 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 5: manifested it, they put it into fruition, if you will, 619 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 5: in terms of how they performed, and you know, they 620 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 5: got some sacks defensively, they got four turnovers in the game. 621 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 5: The defense came alive and it was a tough night 622 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 5: for Dak Prescott. So you know, next game, though, the 623 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 5: Raiders are up next. Rank got to have another really 624 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 5: good week of practice, and I think that's the Ben 625 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 5: Johnson standard, as we saw yesterday. 626 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's one of the biggest things. I don't know, 627 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 6: if your time in Chicago goes back to Mark Tressman. 628 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 6: But when you look at the coaches, I know how 629 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 6: every coach would have responded to the loss in Detroit 630 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 6: last week. Where Matt Maggie would have been like, hey, 631 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 6: we're trying to find the wise Matt Ebraflus would have 632 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 6: blamed everybody else but himself. But Ben Johnson went out 633 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 6: there and took accountability and said that we need to 634 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 6: start practicing better, we need to start putting it together. 635 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 6: And the one thing that what you said is I texting. 636 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 6: We probably are texting the same people. It's like, do 637 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 6: you think that Ben Johnson comes in more aggressive this 638 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 6: week or less aggressive? And everybody was like, oh, it's 639 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 6: it's gonna be worse for him, Like now he's really 640 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 6: going to put the foot on the gas. I think 641 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 6: that his toughest practice was last week. There's a real 642 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 6: sense that Ben is going to put the pedal to 643 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 6: the metal once again, try to get them ready for 644 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 6: Las Vegas. 645 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 5: But I'll just say quick too, that flea flicker, I'll 646 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 5: go back to it. Yeah you can't. This isn't gimmicky football. 647 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 5: This this play required an essential amount of practice time 648 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,479 Speaker 5: to execute, and it was run perfectly almost I mean 649 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 5: the toss back right here. Oh we missed the toss back. 650 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 5: It was a little hot for the quarterback, but a 651 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 5: little launched that baby right You had to practice that 652 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 5: is there. It is boom, but it's a little high. Okay, 653 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 5: But the timing was perfect because they got the safety 654 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 5: to look, they got the safety to move and bam 655 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 5: it was a touchdown. That is all time on task 656 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 5: during the week. And so this isn't when Ben Johnson 657 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 5: does this stuff. This isn't gimmicky stuff like this is. 658 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 5: This is stuff he believes is going to manifest itself 659 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 5: on every Sunday and be executed at a high level. 660 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 5: And if the Bears buy in like that, they can 661 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 5: be really damn good. 662 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 1: Great, both of you, guys, Rank, we gotta go. Hey, 663 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: we got time limits on this. 664 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 2: You don't. You guys said the podcast was hard. There's 665 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 2: no hard outs on a podcast. 666 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 1: Apparently there is. I'm getting text about it, Rank station 667 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 1: very much. We got Monday night preview. We'll talk about 668 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 1: the Rams, Eagles, Wild finish, the Bust Jets game whole 669 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: lot more. So call me Rank Over Part two for 670 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 1: Rank Stacy See and I'm Tom See