Speaker 1: From my high school team. We have five guys make
Speaker 1: the NBA. We had the County Rocket gets some mecca
Speaker 1: of basketball. Here are those who come before us, upon
Speaker 1: whose shoulders we stand. It's nothing that you can do
Speaker 1: to stop the competitive and that's just in the water.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to a special Quarantine edition. We got a
Speaker 1: real special guys. What's up with your Brodie with the
Speaker 1: virtual handshake. I'm gonna tell you something that I never
Speaker 1: told no about it. I want to out the smoke.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to a special edition Quarantine edition. Man, we're
Speaker 1: still here, man, of all the smoke. Jack's good out
Speaker 1: there in Atlanta, My brethren, Man, what's up? My brother?
Speaker 1: Walls closing in. But hey, if it wasn't for this show,
Speaker 1: I would have been for all the hair that I
Speaker 1: have on me out You did what I'm saying. I'm
Speaker 1: good now, I'm good now, I'm good. I don't recommend that,
Speaker 1: bro You got a good leg right now with your
Speaker 1: hair and your like I said, we gotta make a
Speaker 1: huge product for your beard. You gotta you gotta run
Speaker 1: that ship man. You know what, Spectac yell air man,
Speaker 1: I'm salting pebble devil. You know what bro. I was no,
Speaker 1: I was leaning towards cutting it. But boys gonna line
Speaker 1: him up and keep it rolling. Yeah, keep it moving.
Speaker 1: You you're attracting that more you hit that more sophisticated
Speaker 1: audience now, like you look like you got something to
Speaker 1: say right now. So I mean, I mean I can
Speaker 1: go to some of these parties you'd be going to
Speaker 1: with you now all the sophistication. Yeah, ok, because you know,
Speaker 1: your teeth kind of jump out when you be talking
Speaker 1: and ships about the beer. The beer kind of calms
Speaker 1: in and brings it back in a little bit. I
Speaker 1: knew someone was coming. I knew something was coming. You've
Speaker 1: been giving me too many compliments on the last couple
Speaker 1: of weeks. I knew something was coming. I knew someone
Speaker 1: was coming, you know what I mean? Man, Let let
Speaker 1: me get my my ship right Yes, sir, boy product
Speaker 1: placement you need to you can send you something you
Speaker 1: need it. I got some pretty boy miss already. I
Speaker 1: used mine already. Yeah, that's why your ship coming in.
Speaker 1: Nice shout out to you. Straight up, Hey man, we
Speaker 1: got a special guest today, uh fourteen year NBA vet,
Speaker 1: someone you and I had battled against for a long time.
Speaker 1: NBA my classmate, my class mate, Yeah ninety six, Mickey
Speaker 1: D's all American, uh rip, Hamilton's welcome to the show,
Speaker 1: my man, my brother. I kept asking myself what took
Speaker 1: y'all so long? Stack? I was about to start calling
Speaker 1: you stat like Yo, when is my time to come
Speaker 1: on the show? I knew you was gonna say that too,
Speaker 1: was gonna say that. I hit him up in his
Speaker 1: DMS like, bro, we need you, man, we need we
Speaker 1: need you to lock in. So it was cool, man,
Speaker 1: We're glad you're able to join us. Yeah, no problem,
Speaker 1: happy to be here, y'all. Y'all killing it right now, man,
Speaker 1: Just to let you know that much we appreciate it's
Speaker 1: guess like you, man, we appreciate it. Yeah. I bother
Speaker 1: you enough, trying to get that trying to get you
Speaker 1: on that dock stuff with the broad do like I'm
Speaker 1: gonna give my bar break for a minute before I
Speaker 1: go back ahead. And yeah, I got you though, you
Speaker 1: know I got you. I know I can get the
Speaker 1: l A. So you know, ain't nobody flying right now,
Speaker 1: but we see you real salt and peppered up right now.
Speaker 1: Everything good over there, man, I'm going crazy like everybody
Speaker 1: else man, Like, you know, the thing is you can't
Speaker 1: let nobody touch your face. So Barbera calls me every
Speaker 1: every now and then and be like, hey, you want
Speaker 1: me come through to cut you and the kids. I'm like, Bro,
Speaker 1: like I can't right now, man, I can't take any
Speaker 1: chances right now. I'm letting it grow all out and
Speaker 1: then you know, after you know we've done quarantine, I'm
Speaker 1: just going to ask face man high school day or
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go like Jack, Like I told you, man,
Speaker 1: just mustache, go go ask space before you go. Just
Speaker 1: mustache that Burt Riddles Reynolds right there. Yeah, but I'm
Speaker 1: going through it right now. Man. I had to wear
Speaker 1: a hat today, man, because you don't want to see
Speaker 1: the top. You know, I got to. I got to
Speaker 1: the top open the day. Man, So did you did
Speaker 1: you did you go to did you get yours? By reality? Man?
Speaker 1: He did challenge me, Bro, but I was scared. I
Speaker 1: ain't even gonna. I was like, man, at one point
Speaker 1: in time, this this cool team thing gonna be over
Speaker 1: and a lot of people making memes about certain guys.
Speaker 1: So I was like, man, hold up on that one. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's tough, man, anyway, man, how are you and the
Speaker 1: family holding down right now? Obviously you said it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's you and in the house with the family. How's
Speaker 1: everything going with that? Man? It's cool man, you know,
Speaker 1: you know are a lot of styles. Man. We've been
Speaker 1: on the road, you know, for so long since we've
Speaker 1: been eighteen years old. So really it's been a long
Speaker 1: time where you've been in the house, you know, for
Speaker 1: thirty straight days, where you ate everything that out of
Speaker 1: refrigerator for thirty three days. No restaurants, no going out,
Speaker 1: no nothing. But it's been cool, you know. I know
Speaker 1: my kids are sick of tired to hearing my voice
Speaker 1: because you know, I'm playing dad. I'm playing you know,
Speaker 1: trainer who they don't even think I hoop, so, you know,
Speaker 1: anything about telling something in the basketball quarter just goes
Speaker 1: out the window. But helping out with school work, which
Speaker 1: is tough because sixth grade math ain't like the sixth
Speaker 1: grade man we grew up. I'm on fifth grade. I'm
Speaker 1: on fifth grade math tripping out. I was on third
Speaker 1: grade math tripping out, Like the math is just way
Speaker 1: different now it's been years since we did it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so they got me on tilt right now playing chef,
Speaker 1: you know, on the grill, cooking for them. But it's
Speaker 1: you know, it's a good time, spending time with the family.
Speaker 1: Just holding it down, man, just happy. I got a
Speaker 1: good situation at home. I saw that throwback real you post,
Speaker 1: he said, joined twenty years old with the ice chest
Speaker 1: underneath it. Facts. Only the real people that know how
Speaker 1: to grill know what that grill is about. That thing
Speaker 1: is highly seasoned, right, there's just a smoke, look like
Speaker 1: a smoker built in and everything. That's good man. It's
Speaker 1: been through rain, snow, you know, sleep, you know a
Speaker 1: hundred degree whether I hear in Florida like it's been
Speaker 1: through everything. I seen that ship when you post that,
Speaker 1: SHI was like, oh that should just beat up. But
Speaker 1: I bet you it could cook some goodass food though,
Speaker 1: all purpose purpose everything. Absolutely this Hall of Fame two
Speaker 1: thousand twenty class. Uh, some are saying the greatest class
Speaker 1: ever obviously with your brother co rest in peace, Tim
Speaker 1: Duncan KG. Guys that are in your age range, what
Speaker 1: are your thoughts on this class? I agree with you man,
Speaker 1: this is definitely, uh the best of all time in
Speaker 1: my opinion. I mean, three guys that you know all
Speaker 1: three of us competed against our whole entire career one
Speaker 1: trying to get through rest in peace, Kobe Bryan and
Speaker 1: Shaquille O'Neil man. I mean that was the greatest one
Speaker 1: to punch that I ever played against. Man, And you know,
Speaker 1: uh and when you see him and Tim duncan you
Speaker 1: know you know the air that they had with my
Speaker 1: new Jenobli and Tony Parker. I mean you knew once
Speaker 1: you went to San Antonio and Jack Nos winning the
Speaker 1: championship there. Man, it was hard to win in San Antonio. Man,
Speaker 1: pop did it the right way. You know, they was
Speaker 1: gonna do everything possible to try to beat you up,
Speaker 1: frustrate you, trip you, kick you. You know, Bruce Bond
Speaker 1: was doing all that crazy stuff backing the day man,
Speaker 1: Like you know, he was playing defense on offense during
Speaker 1: during that time. But you know, THEMB three guys kg
Speaker 1: exceptional career. And the one thing that I love about
Speaker 1: all three guys, man, they played hard on both ends. Man.
Speaker 1: They just wasn't great offensive players. You know, they was
Speaker 1: on the All Defensive team, They made All All Star team. Man,
Speaker 1: them guys were animals. They were beasts, man. So you know,
Speaker 1: hats off to all them, man, you know, them three
Speaker 1: guys were well deserving. Absolutely. Let's stay with Kobe though. Um,
Speaker 1: you played in high school and coach Ville. Shout coach Ville.
Speaker 1: I remember me all your home watching Coach mcdondad's game.
Speaker 1: Shout out to all them, man. Uh, tell us tell
Speaker 1: us about that experience growing up in Coachville and plant
Speaker 1: against cob in high school. He first, first of all, Man,
Speaker 1: you know the guys they you know, they still talk
Speaker 1: about you, Jack uh Matt. You know, when were playing
Speaker 1: the McDonald's All American game. We played in Pittsburgh, so
Speaker 1: they one too far from the crib, right, And this
Speaker 1: when I knew Stack was a real last dude, man,
Speaker 1: for real man, Like all my homeboys, you know, it
Speaker 1: was only an hour or so from from the crib.
Speaker 1: They all drove up to the game, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, And they all got their little rooms and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. And I remember coming to the room
Speaker 1: and and and Stack hit it off right with all
Speaker 1: of them from the door, right, you know. And they
Speaker 1: love Stack at the time. Right. So I come in
Speaker 1: the room and it's funky in there. And then when
Speaker 1: I say folky, I ain't talking about you know, sneakers
Speaker 1: or you know, it's loud in there. It's loud, right,
Speaker 1: you know. And and at the time, I'm straight, I'm
Speaker 1: straight as an arrow, right, I ain't smoking, I ain't
Speaker 1: doing nothing that I'm you know, come from the neighborhood.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, bro, I'm I ain't giving myself no
Speaker 1: excuses why I ain't making I ain't gonna make it
Speaker 1: to the league. And I come in that room and
Speaker 1: stacking the fired up right, and I'm looking at and
Speaker 1: I'm looking at my homeboys. I'm like, yo, do y'all
Speaker 1: can't do that. We gotta We got a game on
Speaker 1: national TV. And at the time, you know, back in
Speaker 1: the day, you know, young kids weren't playing on national TV.
Speaker 1: That was our first time to the limelight. It was
Speaker 1: before all the social media area and things like that.
Speaker 1: And and jacking there getting fired up. I'm like, yo, dude,
Speaker 1: ain't gonna be ready for the game tomorrow. And Matt,
Speaker 1: when I say this, dude came out to day. Bro,
Speaker 1: I think Stack got m VP of the game like
Speaker 1: like he was. He was. He was staring. I want
Speaker 1: to cut you out, but you Kobe, you and Kobe
Speaker 1: said it. I am happy I didn't win it. Remember
Speaker 1: they gave it to Shaheen Holloway they did. Yep, I
Speaker 1: should have wanted. I should have won the Clearest Day, Bro.
Speaker 1: But but you said that, man, Kobe said it. I
Speaker 1: feel like I wanted. I got a trophy. I got
Speaker 1: a trophy over here and somebody made me. He says
Speaker 1: ninety it says ninety things. McDonald's all American game dog
Speaker 1: and I put it up on my trophy. Think for real, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I should have won the Thanks bro that man, That's
Speaker 1: when I found out my brother was superhuman. I was like, man, dude,
Speaker 1: where you like, man, what should be eating? Like? Bro? Like,
Speaker 1: so definitely cheet those and bloods that's what he be eating.
Speaker 1: Oh man, he was a trans center on that. That
Speaker 1: was the first time I've seen someone came out, come
Speaker 1: out the next night and killed. But like you said, man,
Speaker 1: Cole was like a brother, you know, to to all
Speaker 1: of us. Man. He meant so much to myself because
Speaker 1: at the time, you know, I was a young kid
Speaker 1: in Coachtville, Pennsylvanian, and I thought I was the best
Speaker 1: thing since since sliced bread in my area. And this,
Speaker 1: like I said. This was before the social media area.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm from a town. It's only eleven thousand
Speaker 1: people there. You know, we're right outside the coach field,
Speaker 1: so you know, you never get an opportunity to see
Speaker 1: all the talent outside of that little town. I've never
Speaker 1: been on a plane, I've never been on the train.
Speaker 1: I grew up in my town. I never leave, right.
Speaker 1: So my coach one day he said to me, he
Speaker 1: was like, hey, man, you think you you're nice man,
Speaker 1: but there's a kid down the street that talented. I'm like, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: you gotta be kiding me. Hell no, he was like, Bro,
Speaker 1: he's six six, the same high as you. You know,
Speaker 1: he probably weighed twenty more pounds than you. He's probably
Speaker 1: way more athletic than you, and probably can shoot, you
Speaker 1: know from you Yeah, I guess you know from you know,
Speaker 1: from a tough town, and you know nobody gets you
Speaker 1: props in that area. So I was like, damn, bro,
Speaker 1: like really there, break down my self esteem like that.
Speaker 1: He's like, nah, Bro, I'm telling you it's a kid
Speaker 1: down the street, and I'm not gonna tell you who
Speaker 1: he is. But if if we do what we're supposed to,
Speaker 1: we can meet up against him in the in the
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. So I remember, you know, when we
Speaker 1: played against Lord Maryan looking down at the end of
Speaker 1: the court, just like the rest of the guys on
Speaker 1: my team was right. And you know, I had all
Speaker 1: kids on my team from the neighborhood. So you know,
Speaker 1: I'm with all the homes that I grew up with,
Speaker 1: and half of them dudes, I thought they were better
Speaker 1: than me, right and cold team you know, looked like
Speaker 1: a private school team. Right. He didn't look like he
Speaker 1: grew up with, you know, the dudes that I grew
Speaker 1: up with. So I'm like, man, there ain't no way.
Speaker 1: But I'm looking at his game and I'm like, bro, like, damn,
Speaker 1: he down there doing three sixties. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: He doing the inn out double crossover, step back, shooting
Speaker 1: three ft behind the point line. I'm scratched my head.
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, this this dude real. Like you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I said, not repeat, you know, in
Speaker 1: my mind, I'm like, note, can't ain't better than me.
Speaker 1: Ain't no way in held na hell na man. Once
Speaker 1: that ball was thrown thrown up, man, bro, Look after
Speaker 1: that game, I went back home. I looked myself in
Speaker 1: the mirror and I said, hey, bro, you and you
Speaker 1: through yall went at it up. Y'all went at it.
Speaker 1: We went at it. We went at it. You know,
Speaker 1: don't don't don't, don't dimn your life to that. Y'all
Speaker 1: went at We went at it. But that was the
Speaker 1: first time that I played against somebody at my position
Speaker 1: right that outscored me and won the game. You know,
Speaker 1: I think he ended the game with thirty something. I
Speaker 1: ended up with like twenty nine, you know, and he
Speaker 1: won the game. So that was a big thing to me, Like,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna come, you know, to my hometown, you
Speaker 1: know where. You know, I felt like I was the
Speaker 1: best ship since sliced bread and make and make me
Speaker 1: look not like the best. And he came out and
Speaker 1: showcase his game, and you know, right right from there,
Speaker 1: that's when me and him start to to to really
Speaker 1: communicate and start to get a relationship. Y'all pay you together. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So it was a guy, you know in Philly. Because
Speaker 1: a weird thing happened. We tried out. I tried out
Speaker 1: for a team and it was called the Keystone Game,
Speaker 1: and uh, the coach already had, you know, his teams,
Speaker 1: you know, made up already, like a lot of times
Speaker 1: these coaches have right before guys even try out. So
Speaker 1: a lot of the guys that worked out on my
Speaker 1: team that played with me in high school all got
Speaker 1: cut and he was trying to cut me, so they
Speaker 1: ended up firing the coach. Right, a new coach came in,
Speaker 1: a guy named Sam Ryan's Right. So say Ryan's came
Speaker 1: in and was like, hey, man, bro, I don't know
Speaker 1: where you're from. I don't know where you've been because,
Speaker 1: like I said, I never got out of my little town.
Speaker 1: He was like, bro, but I'm gonna pair you up
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna get this kid down the road named
Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant. And I was like, oh man, I just
Speaker 1: played against that dude like like you know what you know,
Speaker 1: like like he can rock out like cool. So he
Speaker 1: got me and Coben and gym together, right, And that
Speaker 1: was the first time I started to see someone that
Speaker 1: had you know, the mindset, you know, killer like like,
Speaker 1: I mean, I've been around a lot of great players, right,
Speaker 1: but I ain't never been around somebody like him that
Speaker 1: just had killed on his mind all day and all night,
Speaker 1: like it was basketball seven like like like like I
Speaker 1: remember one time we were playing in the tournament and
Speaker 1: I was like a code like, uh you know last night,
Speaker 1: uh me and my cousins food. You know, there's a
Speaker 1: little bar around the corner that they thought we were
Speaker 1: twenty one years old, like they let us said right,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yo, let's let's go there after the game.
Speaker 1: And he looked at me. He was like, no, I ripped.
Speaker 1: You know, I gotta get back to my room and
Speaker 1: ice my knees and watch tape. I'm like, what at
Speaker 1: sixteen years old when we don't even stretch like at
Speaker 1: six seventeen, Jack, you gotta think about it. You're going
Speaker 1: the straight and U games and you ain't even a
Speaker 1: stretching you just like like we just we just he
Speaker 1: talking about ice and his knees down and watching philm
Speaker 1: I said, Bro, this dude is I looked at my cousin.
Speaker 1: I see you, Bro, this sport. This dude is different.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean from day one at like
Speaker 1: sixteen seventeen years old. But that told you his mindset
Speaker 1: of the game at a young age. That's why you
Speaker 1: know a lot of people start to you know, talk
Speaker 1: to cob and be around cold once he was Kobe Bryant. Right.
Speaker 1: You know a lot of you know, and a lot
Speaker 1: of times guys say, oh you know what, uh, you
Speaker 1: know the big thing I alwayshould say. Guy start saying, hey,
Speaker 1: how many you go to NBA player? You say how
Speaker 1: many shots you shoot up a day? And guys like, oh,
Speaker 1: I I don't. I don't leave a gym time to
Speaker 1: make a thousand. And I'll be like, man, that's that's
Speaker 1: food's gold. Not everybody do that. You know, everybody do that?
Speaker 1: Like like Cole, when Coke said he was doing something, Bro,
Speaker 1: he was actually out there doing it a rip. I
Speaker 1: used to tell people about the McDonald's game, like when
Speaker 1: he was there, he had a certain aura and a
Speaker 1: certain presents about him that we all knew he was
Speaker 1: gonna be great. Bro. Like I tell a story, like
Speaker 1: everybody has pictures with like group pictures together, but everybody
Speaker 1: was taking one on one pictures with Kobe at THECA
Speaker 1: game because we all knew. Everybody knew, Bro, I don't
Speaker 1: I got picture with everybody, but Kobe is the only
Speaker 1: person like the one I want picture with in high school, Bro,
Speaker 1: we knew then that this dude was different, bro, Yo,
Speaker 1: he he was. He was for real, man, that stack
Speaker 1: he was. I mean, like we used to because we
Speaker 1: were roommates too, like so all the events we were
Speaker 1: roommates and stuff like that. And I remember when he
Speaker 1: was talking about on your show, like he had to
Speaker 1: kill this, right, and it's and it's funny because you know,
Speaker 1: we were in roommates and it was many times at
Speaker 1: night that this dude, this didn't want to go to sleep,
Speaker 1: You just wanted to talk basketball, right, And we were
Speaker 1: about to play Tim Thomas uh and uh TEENick no
Speaker 1: and uh in the Trolley Webber Tournament in Maryland, and
Speaker 1: Tim Thomas was the number one player in the country
Speaker 1: at the time, and Cole was just in the room
Speaker 1: all night, like one o'clock in the morning, just pacing
Speaker 1: around my bed like, yo, rep, you know tomorrow I'm
Speaker 1: gonna kill this dude. And I'm not like I'm like
Speaker 1: Tim Thomas. Like, first of all, we don't even play
Speaker 1: the same position as him, right, but but Tim played
Speaker 1: on the wing at that time too. Like he was
Speaker 1: so real at that time, right, because he was a
Speaker 1: six nine, can handle the ball, can play inside outside.
Speaker 1: He was like, man, I'm gonna kill this dude. Man,
Speaker 1: he was like, after after the Morrow, it ain't gonna
Speaker 1: be no doubt in anybody's mind who the number one
Speaker 1: player in America is. Like they saying, I ain't the
Speaker 1: number one player. Watch watch after the Morrow night. I'm like, Bro,
Speaker 1: go to sleep, man. You played him early in the morning. Man, like,
Speaker 1: let's let's talk about this pre game, but like tonight,
Speaker 1: let's go to bed. So from a mentality, uh standpoint, man, dude,
Speaker 1: dude was different man. He was definitely one of a kind.
Speaker 1: How did he do in the game. After the game, Bro, Matt,
Speaker 1: After that game, you can pull up every tabloid or
Speaker 1: every little scalone report, and every last one of them
Speaker 1: had Kobe Bryant as the number one. Number one after that,
Speaker 1: I remember, I remember that he came out he might
Speaker 1: have had close to fifty and we won and we
Speaker 1: were so no. Like Bro was like like he was
Speaker 1: was a killer man. He was. He was. He was
Speaker 1: different man, he was, he was totally different. He remember
Speaker 1: he told us, uh stories about your pops. Always had
Speaker 1: the video camera, so he had a bunch of footage
Speaker 1: y'all back there, Uh playing together. I need that he
Speaker 1: got that McDonald's footage to tell you Pop to send
Speaker 1: me some footage. Man, I know you got all that footage.
Speaker 1: I know you know my pop, you know, my Pops
Speaker 1: is o g man, like you know, like my Pops
Speaker 1: was the only guy that I know that snuck his camera, well,
Speaker 1: brought his camera and there's somebody to tell him no
Speaker 1: at the abc D camp right like like like like
Speaker 1: he didn't like, he didn't care and filmed everything. And
Speaker 1: he did the same thing at the McDonald's All American game.
Speaker 1: And you gotta know, if you know Kobe uh and
Speaker 1: Joe his father, Joe Bryant, you know they're very you know,
Speaker 1: uh secretive family. They don't let a lot of people win.
Speaker 1: But you know they loved me and my pop and
Speaker 1: they allowed you know him to bring in the camera there.
Speaker 1: And we were just young kids, man, just you know,
Speaker 1: having fun, having a good time. And like you said,
Speaker 1: jack I got Jackie and I got Jermaine on there.
Speaker 1: And that was the one thing with Cob, he always
Speaker 1: wanted the tapes right because by the time I got
Speaker 1: to the lead, I used to always mess around with like, yo,
Speaker 1: give me the jersey, man signed the jersey, you know,
Speaker 1: for me. But that was the one thing I always
Speaker 1: had one up on him because I had all the
Speaker 1: tape and and I'll be like, Yo, give me the
Speaker 1: jersey signing and give it to him here Like, nah, man,
Speaker 1: do you give me the tape. I ain't guying signing
Speaker 1: ship for you. I need every last one of them tapes.
Speaker 1: I know that footage. Nah. So yeah, so he my
Speaker 1: my my pop got all the behind the scenes stuff
Speaker 1: where you know, at the end of the day, we
Speaker 1: were just kids because that's what we were. We were
Speaker 1: we were nobodies at the time. We were just trying
Speaker 1: to make a name for ourselves. You know. We wasn't
Speaker 1: from you know, we're from right outside the Philadelphia, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So it's a big difference. Like,
Speaker 1: you know, we're from Pennsylvania and it's you know, it's
Speaker 1: probably similar to what it is in l A. Matt Like,
Speaker 1: you know, you've got people that's from l A, that
Speaker 1: lives in l A proper, and then you've got people
Speaker 1: from the valley and we're kids that's from outside the
Speaker 1: city of Philadelphia. You look at different. Yeah, people in
Speaker 1: the city don't really respect you, right, They're like, okay,
Speaker 1: you know they just suburb kid. Nah, bro, Like we
Speaker 1: grew up the same way, but we just ain't from
Speaker 1: the city, so we had to go there and earn
Speaker 1: our respect each and every day. So it wasn't like
Speaker 1: something was just given to us. Man, thank you for
Speaker 1: sharing those stories. Man, we appreciate that. Obviously. Rest in
Speaker 1: peace to Code everyone else lost in that in that
Speaker 1: unfortunate situation. Let's transition into college, because you were one
Speaker 1: of the great college players of all time and kind
Speaker 1: of like the like the changing of the guard that
Speaker 1: you know, you're you're the run of your career. Then,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe a handful of years after. I kind
Speaker 1: of felt like college basketball had lost his essence after that. Um,
Speaker 1: but you were nineteen national champion. You guys just had
Speaker 1: a twenty year reunion for that team. Correct talk to
Speaker 1: us about that. Uh. It was a great experience for
Speaker 1: me because, like I said it, like we talked about Code.
Speaker 1: We used to always talk about college, but he was
Speaker 1: always talking about the NBA, and I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I'm ready for that, you know. So I end up
Speaker 1: choosing to go to Yukon And it was great for
Speaker 1: me because one that I got an opportunity to see
Speaker 1: big bro Ray Allen before me. Right, So when when
Speaker 1: when I got to the University of Connecticut, you know,
Speaker 1: you know a lot of people see me, you know,
Speaker 1: coming off pin downs and coming off screens and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. But that wasn't my game in high school.
Speaker 1: That's that that wasn't who I was. And when I
Speaker 1: first got there, Calhoun used to always tell me like,
Speaker 1: hey man, you you're not a McDonald's all American. You're
Speaker 1: just a coacht field all American. Until you learn how
Speaker 1: to use your teammates and understand where your teammates are
Speaker 1: on the floor and where you know, uh, the point
Speaker 1: guard is going to distribute the ball, how to use
Speaker 1: guys as coming off pen downs and things like that,
Speaker 1: you will be a very simple player. Right. So he
Speaker 1: forced me to go in there and watch Ray Allen
Speaker 1: and watch a whole lot of film on him, just
Speaker 1: understanding the concepts are coming off pin downs and things
Speaker 1: like that. But during that time, the Big East was crazy.
Speaker 1: I mean it was ridiculous. I mean, like AI. You know,
Speaker 1: before I got to get AI and Georgetown, you had
Speaker 1: Carrie Kittles in Villanova, Yeah, you had Ray Allen, and
Speaker 1: Connecticut you had Town Wallace at Syracuse like like it
Speaker 1: was loaded. So at that time, it was like, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, the most physical conference, you know, in college basketball.
Speaker 1: And you know, I always looked at the Big East playing,
Speaker 1: you know, playing on the biggest stage at Madison Square Guarden.
Speaker 1: So I looked at all that and I always told myself,
Speaker 1: I never if I never got an opportunity to play
Speaker 1: in the NBA playing at the University of Connecticut, will
Speaker 1: be playing like on the professional team. Because there was
Speaker 1: no professional teams in Connecticut. There was no professional you know,
Speaker 1: football teams or anything like that. So everything was all
Speaker 1: about men's and women's basketball. So you know, the one
Speaker 1: thing that I did was, you know, trust the process,
Speaker 1: trust Calhoun, and trust you know what all the guys
Speaker 1: you know did before me, the Ray Allen's, the Dan
Speaker 1: Yelle Marshall's, you know, the Cliff Robinson's guys that did
Speaker 1: it before me. And trust that, you know, Calhoun would
Speaker 1: put me in the positions to get me to the
Speaker 1: next level. But you know, I had a great group
Speaker 1: of guys. You know, I played with Collie Elaman, who
Speaker 1: was probably one of the one of my favorite you know,
Speaker 1: and basketball players of all time. You know, played with
Speaker 1: Ricky Moore, Kevin Freeman and Jake Vosco. But dumb guys. Man. Look,
Speaker 1: you know that's when you know money didn't really you know,
Speaker 1: it was no egos, right, you know, money wasn't involved.
Speaker 1: It was like we were just kids, man, were just
Speaker 1: like you know, we were just all about to grind, Like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know what we want. We didn't like to lose.
Speaker 1: We we wanted to win. And that year was a
Speaker 1: very special year because the year before that we went
Speaker 1: to the Elite Eight and we lost to a really
Speaker 1: good team, uh at North Carolina who had Vince Carter,
Speaker 1: Antoine Jamison you know, and yeah they had a mob
Speaker 1: like and we played them in North Carolina. And I
Speaker 1: thought about leaving after my sophomore year, which I'm happy
Speaker 1: I did because I wasn't ready for that. But Calhoun
Speaker 1: convinced me to come back. And the one thing that
Speaker 1: they all it's told me, it's like, hey, Rip, if
Speaker 1: you come back to school for your junior year, you
Speaker 1: have an opportunity to be the Michael Michael Jordan of
Speaker 1: college basketball. And I'm like, Michael Jordan's college basketball, Like
Speaker 1: what you mean? He was like, bro, like you know,
Speaker 1: you got an opportunity to come back and not If
Speaker 1: you leave your sophomore year, you'll be a top twenty pick.
Speaker 1: If you come back your junior year, you'll be a
Speaker 1: lottery pick. You got a opportunity to win the national championship.
Speaker 1: You'll be fighting for for player to UH of the
Speaker 1: Year uh. And you got an opportunity to be one
Speaker 1: of the best scores that ever come through here. So
Speaker 1: after him stroking my ego for like thirty forty minutes,
Speaker 1: he for saying that though he said saying that, yeah,
Speaker 1: and all that ship and all that ship came true.
Speaker 1: Though all of it came true. Man, You know it
Speaker 1: was crazy because Calhoun was a tough ass coach man.
Speaker 1: Like you know, I had to I don't know if
Speaker 1: you want to call it the luxury, but you know
Speaker 1: I had a luxury of being around some tough ass
Speaker 1: head coaches. Dudes that didn't that didn't you know, allow
Speaker 1: you to take days off, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like you had to come in, you had to be
Speaker 1: about about the grind. They would tell you fuck you
Speaker 1: to your face and like you ain't shipped to your
Speaker 1: face like you know, I mean, what no kiss asked
Speaker 1: like I didn't have kids ass coaches like I had
Speaker 1: coaches that was like, hey, bro, like, I'm gonna believe
Speaker 1: in you more than you believe in yourself, but I'm
Speaker 1: gonna push you to get you to where you want
Speaker 1: to get to. And you know, I'm happy I listened
Speaker 1: to him because we won a national championship and I
Speaker 1: got the opportunity to play in the NBA. That's that
Speaker 1: old school love, that old school tough love. You and
Speaker 1: Kalid l Am I played with him in and we
Speaker 1: both was rookie at the same time. We played in
Speaker 1: the Rookie All Star Game together and that was my
Speaker 1: guy too. I really loved playing with him. I used
Speaker 1: to call him. I used to call him with the
Speaker 1: five two point guard, knowing he was he wasn't really
Speaker 1: five too. Though he wasn't really five two. I used
Speaker 1: to always called I always always say it was five
Speaker 1: to call him five too. But tell me about your
Speaker 1: relationship with I can't even say his name, Kylie Elmin.
Speaker 1: Tell me about your relationship. He was no. Kylie was
Speaker 1: a tough cookie man. I mean shouts out to Kylie
Speaker 1: in man. People forget Collid was Mr Basketball and in Minnesota.
Speaker 1: I mean, he was probably the number one point guard
Speaker 1: in his class coming out that year. But when he
Speaker 1: came to Connecticut, man, he gave us a sense of
Speaker 1: confidence and a sense of cockiness all in the same sentence,
Speaker 1: right because Calhoun had you know, he was you know,
Speaker 1: pretty much blinders on, you know, straightforward, you know, very structured,
Speaker 1: very serious at all time. And Collie it was collid.
Speaker 1: He was silly, he was fun Like when coach said, hey,
Speaker 1: you know what this picture day to day everybody got
Speaker 1: to wear suits and ties. Colleague came in with a
Speaker 1: button up T shirt, I mean a button up shirt
Speaker 1: with no t you know. So he you know, he
Speaker 1: was he was the guy that came on the bus,
Speaker 1: you know. And Yale this screaming was like hey, coach,
Speaker 1: call when you're ready or what you know, when coach
Speaker 1: was very like, hey man, everybody on the bus gotta
Speaker 1: be quiet because you know, you gotta stay focused. But
Speaker 1: he was probably one of, you know, the toughest point
Speaker 1: guards UH ever played with, and his confidence level was
Speaker 1: was crazy. Colleague can go one for fifteen, but he's
Speaker 1: in the last three minutes of the game. He still
Speaker 1: wonted the rock and you know, you never looked at
Speaker 1: him in his eyes. Very similar to a guy that
Speaker 1: I played with, Chauncey Billups that regard inside. Chauncey shot
Speaker 1: the ball when he came to the last couple of
Speaker 1: minutes of the game, he's still he's you can you
Speaker 1: you can count on him. And College always loved the
Speaker 1: the the big the big moments. Uh, you know, we
Speaker 1: felt like we were the best badcourt in college basketball.
Speaker 1: Like we walked with that, like you know, it wasn't
Speaker 1: something that we we shied away from, Like you know,
Speaker 1: you put the camera in front of us, We're gonna
Speaker 1: tell you, you know, because we were always underdogs, like
Speaker 1: nobody really believed in us. Nobody believed that, you know,
Speaker 1: we're gon we can win a national championship. When Duke
Speaker 1: had Shane Battyer Elton Brand, Corey mcgetty, you know, Trajan
Speaker 1: langdon you know, they had four or five guys you
Speaker 1: know in the first round, so you know, in our
Speaker 1: mind it was against all odds, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But but College was definitely one of the most confident
Speaker 1: players that I ever played with. Like I loved him
Speaker 1: on and off the court. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I think he you know, he's on his off the
Speaker 1: course situation sometimes didn't help his on the course situation.
Speaker 1: You know, that's my guy. Got a crazy story. We're
Speaker 1: in the Rookie All Star Game. Uh in two thousand,
Speaker 1: two thousand and one. We're in the Rookie All Star Game, right,
Speaker 1: So we all on the same floor. They got all
Speaker 1: the rookies on the same floor. So it's and I
Speaker 1: think I think that the sophomores was on the same
Speaker 1: floor too, So it's just it's my room is college room.
Speaker 1: Were next door to each other, l o is across
Speaker 1: from us and next door to llo is um Darius Miles.
Speaker 1: We didn't get we didn't popped, all out doors open,
Speaker 1: were passing blunts through the hallway to each other when
Speaker 1: our doors open, and we all had no plans on
Speaker 1: even thinking about what we were doing. Bro. We was
Speaker 1: at All Star. We were all happy to be there.
Speaker 1: We're all damn never you know, to find all kinds
Speaker 1: of odds. Bro. And I remember I remember me and
Speaker 1: him being right next door, and I remember walking next door.
Speaker 1: We passed and blessed each other at All Star in
Speaker 1: the All Star NBA Hotel. But I'm like, man, that
Speaker 1: was one of the best times in my life. Bro.
Speaker 1: College if you know he is what it is like,
Speaker 1: Like Jack, I can tell you a funny story, man,
Speaker 1: after we won the national championship and this is before
Speaker 1: the social media era that you know, nobody really knew
Speaker 1: or talked about. But we just won the national championship, right,
Speaker 1: So we're going to uh So we're on campus and
Speaker 1: college comes up to me. It's like, a rip, Let's
Speaker 1: go to Hartford right to get some gear because that's
Speaker 1: where all the hip hop you know, you get all
Speaker 1: your hip hop clothes and get fresh. He was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: my man, got a store there, you know, Let's go
Speaker 1: down there and get some clothes. I'm like, all right, cool,
Speaker 1: you know, so we go to the store and get
Speaker 1: some gear whatever whatever. Right, So we get back in
Speaker 1: the car. Now we on our way back to campus.
Speaker 1: So College like, oh man, you know what, man, rip,
Speaker 1: let's ride through the hood. You know what I'm saying
Speaker 1: from from the people, right. So I'm like I'm like, hey,
Speaker 1: let's just get back. Let's get back to the camp.
Speaker 1: He's like, no, let's just ride through real quick. I'm like,
Speaker 1: a cool, let's do it. So we're riding through the neighborhood.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, You know, everybody in the
Speaker 1: neighborhood giving us love whatever, whatever, high fi and whatever whatever.
Speaker 1: So we stopped by this little project, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying over there, right in a couple of homies
Speaker 1: you know in the neighborhood, you know, New k and
Speaker 1: they was like, yo, what's up man, congratulations, No, just
Speaker 1: give him love, right, shaking hands, snapping up whatever whatever. Right,
Speaker 1: So we're in the car and one dude comes over
Speaker 1: and he says a k uh huh man, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, and and reaches in the car and
Speaker 1: acts like he given him that. But then he pulls
Speaker 1: his hand back right, and then the homie was like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know what, just give it to him. Man, him
Speaker 1: dudes one of the national championship And I don't know
Speaker 1: what the hell is that, you know what I'm saying, like,
Speaker 1: just give it to him whatever whatever. Right. So then
Speaker 1: Ka was like, no, I'm cool whatever whatever. Homies like, no,
Speaker 1: give it to him. Boom, game of high five, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And it was two dimebags of weed, right, Kate.
Speaker 1: He takes it right, K take it right, put it
Speaker 1: in his pocket. Boom right. So now we're in the car, right,
Speaker 1: So we sped off. I mean we're going thirty miles
Speaker 1: an hour. As soon as we hit the corner, bro,
Speaker 1: the sirens go off. Police police come out on foot
Speaker 1: sprinting stop down, they ran, they ran stop sign and
Speaker 1: they've been speeding or whatever that. I'm like, bro, we
Speaker 1: ain't even speed, Like what the hell going on? Like
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Once I see police, I'm shook, right.
Speaker 1: So then K like, oh man, like damn, like you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, I got this on me Like
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean. We we got college
Speaker 1: kids at this time. You know, marijuana was a big
Speaker 1: thing back then. Like like so the cop come out right,
Speaker 1: so he like he's put his one cop come take
Speaker 1: me and put me in the cop car. They take
Speaker 1: him and put him in the cop car. I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: what what the hell is going on? So the cop
Speaker 1: car I'm in, the police is like man, rip, like
Speaker 1: why why are y'all here? And I'm like, bro, we
Speaker 1: just came here to get some clothes, like you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like you know, we just had a
Speaker 1: cruise around. Never He's like, bro, you know, we've been
Speaker 1: having a sting operation on this project for the last
Speaker 1: four months. I'm like, so then I'm like, damn. He's like,
Speaker 1: y'all shouldn't be out here. Y'all shouldn't be out here.
Speaker 1: So now I'm looking through the police police uh. And
Speaker 1: I'm in the back seat. I'm looking through the police window.
Speaker 1: So they pulled kindle it out the cart first, but
Speaker 1: they separated, and I know what pocket he put the
Speaker 1: diamond bags in, and I'm like, bro, like, please don't
Speaker 1: go in the pocket right first thing they did. So
Speaker 1: they had some mean ass cameras. Man, I don't know
Speaker 1: where the where the hell they got this camera. The
Speaker 1: first place they checked was inside his sweatsup pocket. He
Speaker 1: going to sweatsup pocket, bomb pulls it out. I don't
Speaker 1: see what was being saying because I just see a
Speaker 1: whole lot of hands because I'm in there. They put
Speaker 1: him in the car. They pulled me out. It was like,
Speaker 1: what the hell you got in your pocket? I'm like, bro,
Speaker 1: I ain't got nothing. They packed me down whatever, whatever,
Speaker 1: they check, they check the car, whatever, whatever, and then
Speaker 1: they take him right to the police station. So I'm like, yo, like,
Speaker 1: what's what's going on? You know, because I'm acting dumb.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, what's going on? He was like, oh, man,
Speaker 1: he had marijuana on him. He's going to jail. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, well, like yo, like like what about me?
Speaker 1: They was like, oh, were you off? Like but he's
Speaker 1: going to jail. And I'm like, bro, like like where
Speaker 1: we just want a national championship, like like like y'all,
Speaker 1: y'all can't let us off like and he like he
Speaker 1: like hell nah, like in a police I mean, everybody
Speaker 1: in the neighborhood out like, yo, let them kids go.
Speaker 1: Let them kids go. So you know, I'm an hour
Speaker 1: from campus, man, and I'm like, yo, all right, man,
Speaker 1: can you just give me the keys so I can
Speaker 1: drive back to the to to to the campus. They're like,
Speaker 1: hell no, but we can give you a ride to
Speaker 1: the police station. I said, you know what, I walked
Speaker 1: back to campus man, And I walked. I walked out
Speaker 1: of mind when somebody came and getting picked up, you know,
Speaker 1: just before the cell phone here somebody get ride back
Speaker 1: to the campus. So that was It's a crazy situation
Speaker 1: because Kyle school his sophomore year. That was the same
Speaker 1: year that I left, you know what I'm saying, But
Speaker 1: he was going to leave that year, but he ended
Speaker 1: up coming back for his junior year. Damn because of
Speaker 1: that situation. So nineteen nine, you're the seventh pick of
Speaker 1: the Washington Wizards. Talked to us about that experience. That
Speaker 1: was the hell of a draft class man that was.
Speaker 1: But that was Elton Brand, Baron Davis, Steve Francis, l
Speaker 1: O Genoble was a second round pick, j Ron Ron Yes,
Speaker 1: Sean Marion Genoble. Yeah, it was big. Carolinko. Man, listen
Speaker 1: that that draft year was busy. I mean it was crazy,
Speaker 1: and you know I can remember especially, uh the night
Speaker 1: before the draft and my man b D b D
Speaker 1: He came in my room and he was like, yo, man,
Speaker 1: you're going to to to to the Wizards. I'm like,
Speaker 1: how you know He's like everything? Yeah, man, he was
Speaker 1: like he was like, man, I know where you know,
Speaker 1: I'm going to Charlotte. Steve frances Is gonna get, you know,
Speaker 1: drafted by Vancouver. Like like, I'm like, bro, how do
Speaker 1: you know? He's like my agent told me. I said, man,
Speaker 1: you you gotta be kidding. I started looking at my
Speaker 1: agent wrong crazy because after the draft I end up
Speaker 1: firing my agent because of the information that bear that
Speaker 1: Bear Day has had in my and my agent. At
Speaker 1: the time, I was thinking, like, man, why don't you
Speaker 1: know this man? Like how someone how's he coming to
Speaker 1: tell tell tell me that that that class was mean? Man.
Speaker 1: I mean if you look at the guys that we
Speaker 1: had in there, you talk about elm Brand who has
Speaker 1: who had a great career, Steve Francis, who was like
Speaker 1: all world at the time, took the world by storm,
Speaker 1: frances to the league by storm problem and that and
Speaker 1: that's the guy that we don't talk about a lot.
Speaker 1: Steve frances was. Nobody wanted to guard him. Nobody wanted
Speaker 1: to nobody, you know they you know they had that
Speaker 1: one thing called one shake to shape three shake in Houston,
Speaker 1: yea with him and contin Coatino and uh Mouchie Norris
Speaker 1: like you didn't want to get caught on that blender.
Speaker 1: But d D and you know l O and you
Speaker 1: know we had you know Ron Ron and uh, I
Speaker 1: mean you got to think about Genobley was the second
Speaker 1: round pick, like second round pick, like which was crazy,
Speaker 1: but you know, we we we had one of the
Speaker 1: best class in my in my opinion, But were some
Speaker 1: of your events with the Wizards that year? Oh man,
Speaker 1: my man, you know my vet was Rod Strickler Man. Yeah, Strict,
Speaker 1: Strict was my dude man like. He he took me
Speaker 1: underneath his wing man like like an O g should
Speaker 1: man like. You know, he gave me and Laurn profit
Speaker 1: was the Rooks at the time, and he made sure
Speaker 1: we were straight. You know, he gives us his car.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. If you know we go out.
Speaker 1: Everything was on him until one day Laurn Prophet put
Speaker 1: diesel fuel in his Mercedes bad and Strict was piste
Speaker 1: off be And you know we're kids from the neighborhood.
Speaker 1: We didn't know what type of gas and a Mercedes
Speaker 1: so proper diesel few so so so Strict Strick was
Speaker 1: piste off at him. But Strict was my guy. Because
Speaker 1: the thing about it and you and both of you
Speaker 1: guys noticed, once you first come to league, especially when
Speaker 1: you come on a veteran team, you know, they expect
Speaker 1: you to just fall in line when you get there, right,
Speaker 1: They don't expect you to be alpha in the locker room.
Speaker 1: You can't go into a veteran locker room and saying,
Speaker 1: all right, you know what, I'm going out there and
Speaker 1: play my game, the same game that I was playing
Speaker 1: in college. Like like no, like like they didn't give
Speaker 1: a guy, Damn I won the national championship. There was
Speaker 1: like that national championship ship. That ship don't mean over here,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So it was guys on
Speaker 1: the team that would be like, hey, man, you know,
Speaker 1: rip you out there, you know, shooting the ball too much.
Speaker 1: And you know, I took a page out of my
Speaker 1: man Kobe Bryant because before I, you know, announced that
Speaker 1: I was going to leave me and we're talking to
Speaker 1: on and I said, hey, give me one piece of
Speaker 1: advice that helped you when you when you came to
Speaker 1: the NBA. He was like, when you come, you hit first.
Speaker 1: I don't give a fun on your team. He was like, man,
Speaker 1: you come in if your game is to score, you
Speaker 1: go out there and score. You know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: because if you if you come in and you start
Speaker 1: trying to fall in line and you start just you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, just going out there and just
Speaker 1: being a regular role player, You're gonna be a role
Speaker 1: player your whole entire career sounds like. I was like, damn,
Speaker 1: all right. Cool. So my mentality was coming in like
Speaker 1: all right, you know what, ship, I've been a score
Speaker 1: of my whole entire life. I'm coming out there and
Speaker 1: putting that ball up. So a couple of dudes would
Speaker 1: get piste off on the team, Man, why is he shooting?
Speaker 1: Don't you know you can't shoot the ball? Whatever? Whatever.
Speaker 1: So one time I was like, man, then I ain't
Speaker 1: gonna shoot this one game. So I come in the game.
Speaker 1: Strict passed me the ball and I passed the back
Speaker 1: to him. So after at halftime he came to me, like,
Speaker 1: shoot the fucking ball. I said, Strict, there's some dudes
Speaker 1: on the team that you know told me you know,
Speaker 1: fall in line. You know what I'm saying, You can't
Speaker 1: shoot right. So he was like, look real, telling no
Speaker 1: motherfucker's you know, if they got a problem with you shooting,
Speaker 1: come hollier at me, say no more, bro, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I said to the team, I said, Yo,
Speaker 1: if anybody got a problem when me shooting the ball,
Speaker 1: talked to my big little homie back here, yea, bro,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I haven't had a problems,
Speaker 1: haven't had a problem since you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So that that's my dude right there. Strick always said, man,
Speaker 1: he was like, how the hell am I gonna get
Speaker 1: assist if you always passing the ball? You know? So
Speaker 1: that was my dude. That really took me under my
Speaker 1: wing and it really showed me the way. Tell me
Speaker 1: your rookie year. Who was the one matchup the guy
Speaker 1: that you were like in all and that actually busted
Speaker 1: your ass. Oh that busted that I was at all
Speaker 1: at first. Yeah, like damn, I'm finally playing so so
Speaker 1: and they just went to work. Oh my goodness. Uh.
Speaker 1: I would have to say Alan Houston, man, forget how
Speaker 1: co Alan Houston was, man, man lit this can be too. Hey,
Speaker 1: Alan Houston was a problem man, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: And especially you know when he was in when he
Speaker 1: was in New York, when they had him and Freeway
Speaker 1: on the wing, because you know, you know, when you
Speaker 1: got both two, when you got two elite scores on
Speaker 1: the wing, you can't hide, like you can't you can't
Speaker 1: hide because you know at certain games you can go
Speaker 1: in and be like, all right, you know what I'm
Speaker 1: going against you know, all right, Miami, and I gotta guard.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna gainst the weight, but you know
Speaker 1: I can You know, Miami didn't have to elite scores,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying that that d Wade and
Speaker 1: then they had posed but Post was in there to
Speaker 1: guard the other team's best player, right, So so so
Speaker 1: you can take you can on on on the defense,
Speaker 1: and you can take plays off because you ain't gotta
Speaker 1: worry about this dude just coming the time, you know. So,
Speaker 1: so when playing against the Knicks, you had Spree and
Speaker 1: you got Alan and they had oh they had a
Speaker 1: play where it was called turn to remember turn three.
Speaker 1: R were done, but put you on the block. So
Speaker 1: them dudes, man like that first year, either Alan Houston
Speaker 1: had fourteen points in the first quarter or I had
Speaker 1: two fouls in the first two minutes and I was
Speaker 1: sitting for the rest of the quarter. So that dude
Speaker 1: right there, I couldn't guard him because I couldn't speed
Speaker 1: him up. And if anybody knows Alan Houston, he doesn't talk.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You can't speed him up.
Speaker 1: He's playing at his own pace. You can't talk trash
Speaker 1: and get him out of his game. And that dude
Speaker 1: used to murder me night in and night out every time.
Speaker 1: That's funny as hell. And you you, uh, you average
Speaker 1: nine points your rookie year, then you bounced from nine
Speaker 1: to eighteen. You're your second year. What was that process? Like?
Speaker 1: It was cool? Man, It was fun because one first
Speaker 1: year was hard because you come from a winning situation
Speaker 1: and Yukon and you're playing all the minutes and in
Speaker 1: the offense is pretty much based around you. The second
Speaker 1: year I came in, I'm like, right, you know what,
Speaker 1: you know, we're still young. You know, I'm still playing. Uh.
Speaker 1: I think at the time. I think Mitch Richmond was
Speaker 1: still there at the time because I was playing behind
Speaker 1: Mitch and Mr just signed a big deal, so I
Speaker 1: had to fall in line, you know, which is a
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer, Like, you know, ain't know, I can't
Speaker 1: beat you know, at that time, I wasn't gonna beat
Speaker 1: him out at that position. But that year, guys got hurt.
Speaker 1: And you know, one thing about playing on a bad team, right,
Speaker 1: if you're a young guy, you're gonna get a lot
Speaker 1: of minutes in the second half of the season. Like
Speaker 1: you're gonna get You're gonna get a lot of minutes.
Speaker 1: So the second half of the season, even though we
Speaker 1: wasn't looking you know, one the team that wasn't going
Speaker 1: to make the playoffs, they were playing all the young guys,
Speaker 1: so Me, Laron profit Calvin Booth, they were starting to
Speaker 1: play us more. You know. I went from playing you know,
Speaker 1: only like ten eleven minutes of game to now playing
Speaker 1: thirty minutes of game. And once you once you do
Speaker 1: that with me, I ain't never looking back, bro Like,
Speaker 1: like I ain't I ain't taking my foot off, foot
Speaker 1: off the gas. And I think in that second half
Speaker 1: of my second year, I probably I think I averaged
Speaker 1: like close to like thirty something points a game. So
Speaker 1: my scoring average just shot up, you know. And that's
Speaker 1: when I was like, yo, I'm here, man, I'm ready,
Speaker 1: Like I don't need to take no back seat to nobody,
Speaker 1: you know, I just need I just need. I just
Speaker 1: need an opportunity. And and that was my opportunity there
Speaker 1: in Washington, especially going into my my after my first year.
Speaker 1: So you have a you know, obviously make your mark.
Speaker 1: You feel like even ribbed your second year, your third year,
Speaker 1: MJ comes back, tell me about him coming back first
Speaker 1: and foremost, and then the second part of the questions
Speaker 1: is do you feel like that's stunted where obviously your
Speaker 1: process and your growth at the time, Man, m J. Man,
Speaker 1: that was awesome for my career. You know, I always
Speaker 1: used to hear a lot of people talk about, Okay,
Speaker 1: MJ coming back to a young, young uh, a young team,
Speaker 1: and it's gonna stund a lot of their guards, you know,
Speaker 1: growth because at the time, you know, it was me
Speaker 1: Lron prophet and was a guy Courtney Alexander who was man.
Speaker 1: He was he was a problem too. He was a
Speaker 1: guy that played on the wing with me that you know,
Speaker 1: we both that during that second half of the year
Speaker 1: in Washington after my second year, we both average you know,
Speaker 1: close to thirty points of game, you know. But when
Speaker 1: m J came man, it was it was the goat man.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's gold status man as a two guard
Speaker 1: coming up and Mike, you know, being your idol growing up,
Speaker 1: and now you got an opportunity to lock it up
Speaker 1: with him and and and learn and and and get
Speaker 1: as much information off of him as possible, because even
Speaker 1: my second year he used to come down and practice
Speaker 1: with us all the time, right, but he didn't you know,
Speaker 1: every now and they had come in and you know,
Speaker 1: work out what It's kind of similar what he did
Speaker 1: with y'all when he was on the bodycat Jack. You know,
Speaker 1: he come down and work out with us and me
Speaker 1: and PROV used to play with him all the time.
Speaker 1: We used to talk trash to m J all the time,
Speaker 1: but it was only certain things that I would say
Speaker 1: and you know, profit with sometimes you know, say a
Speaker 1: little bit of extra stuff that I would I wouldn't
Speaker 1: go there. And I remember one time we were playing
Speaker 1: in practice, right and Prof you know, might have hit
Speaker 1: a shot on m J. And he was like running
Speaker 1: down court, Yeah, you can't guard me with them old
Speaker 1: ass knees. And I'm like, oh, stop, time out, time out.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh nah, you don't. You don't. You
Speaker 1: don't say that to the goat. MJ was heated. I
Speaker 1: mean he was heated to the point that when I
Speaker 1: went to my exit meeting, uh, because you know he
Speaker 1: was he was the president at the time. I went
Speaker 1: to my exit meeting, he was like, Okay, Rip, you
Speaker 1: know your man, your buddy, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Because he end up training prof that that that he
Speaker 1: was like, oh yeah, man, he was like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: he ain't gonna he out of here, he said, but
Speaker 1: you wanna be there body. You're gonna be there body yourself,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And you ain't gonna have
Speaker 1: your buddy to to co sign and you know you're
Speaker 1: gonna be on the island by yourself. Like Man, I
Speaker 1: was like, m I don't want no problems, bro, I
Speaker 1: don't want no problems at all. I'm your teammate, man,
Speaker 1: But I know that telling that trading my ass too
Speaker 1: right after we got this. You gotta be careful, you
Speaker 1: gotta be careful. But when m J came, man, I
Speaker 1: just thought it was a blessing and and uh for
Speaker 1: for me as a basketball player, you know, because I
Speaker 1: was able to learn so much off of him. Uh
Speaker 1: you know it too. It took my game to a
Speaker 1: whole new other level, especially even playing with him, because
Speaker 1: you gotta remember, when you're playing with Michael Jordan's, all
Speaker 1: the focus is going to be on Michael Jordan's. I mean,
Speaker 1: traveling with MJ's like traveling with the Beatles back in
Speaker 1: the day. Right, So when when playing with him, the
Speaker 1: one thing that I learned with playing with Mike was
Speaker 1: remember you know, back in the day, they used to
Speaker 1: call it floppy, right, you know when two guys come
Speaker 1: down and the two biggs come down and we run
Speaker 1: them off screens. So I was like, man, screw my bigs.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna run off m J. Why because every
Speaker 1: time I run off m J, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: my man gonna go to him and his man ain't
Speaker 1: gonna be right. So I would get wide open every time,
Speaker 1: and m J would come to me after the game
Speaker 1: and be like, hey, Rip, I see what you're doing
Speaker 1: out there. I see what you're doing out there. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: what am I? What am I? What am I supposed
Speaker 1: to do? Man? Like ship you the goat like you know.
Speaker 1: So he was he was very He was very helpful
Speaker 1: for for for my career when when I was in Washington.
Speaker 1: And another crazy story is that we just talked about
Speaker 1: Alan Houston. Right, So Alan Houston was killing me, like
Speaker 1: like I said, he killed me in my first two years, right.
Speaker 1: So when m J came third year, now I feel
Speaker 1: like I'm growing up, you know, I Mean I grew
Speaker 1: some hair on my chest, like I've been through the
Speaker 1: war and the battle was a little bit so, you know,
Speaker 1: and I got Big Bro, like I got the bully
Speaker 1: in the room, right, so you know, I'm a little
Speaker 1: bit more confident. So we're playing against New York. We're
Speaker 1: playing against New York and Washington, and first half I
Speaker 1: go out and I give Alan Houston thirty in the
Speaker 1: first half, right, So like like I'm geek. I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: for all the times this motherfucker's been killing me and
Speaker 1: get me in foul trouble, I'm in. I'm in his
Speaker 1: ass right now, right, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: we were in there at halftime, you know, we're talking,
Speaker 1: coach talks, does his speech. MJ come up to me.
Speaker 1: He was like, hey, man, hey, young fella. You know
Speaker 1: you had you had a great half, you know, but
Speaker 1: Big Bro gonna take over the second half, so don't
Speaker 1: worry about it. I got over second half right at
Speaker 1: the end of the game, man, in that second half,
Speaker 1: I only had two shots. In the second I had thirty.
Speaker 1: I think I might have ended with like thirty two,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I was like I was
Speaker 1: at the end of the game. I was like, damn, man,
Speaker 1: this was my perfect opportunity to kill this dude. This
Speaker 1: dude killed me my first two years. Like you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Now, I got you on myself. He
Speaker 1: was like, a man, don't worry about it. Man, you'll
Speaker 1: get another opportunity at that. But as a young kid,
Speaker 1: you don't think that you're gonna get another opportunity. That
Speaker 1: was your time. But but Big Bro was like he
Speaker 1: tapped me on the should. I was like, hey man,
Speaker 1: you didn't know. I was like, in my mind, I
Speaker 1: was like, hey nah. But he was like, you know
Speaker 1: that the second half he took over, might have scored
Speaker 1: twenty six and a second half and we end up
Speaker 1: winning the game. But that that all that story always
Speaker 1: sticks to me because that was my opportunity to go
Speaker 1: out and get fifty. That's funny, especially on someone has
Speaker 1: been lighting your gas lighting my ass up. Yes, two
Speaker 1: thousand and two year traded UH to Detroit for Stackhouse
Speaker 1: six player trade and that's some of They also signed
Speaker 1: Chauncey Billups. So being able to be prepairing with chunce
Speaker 1: what's kind of the beginning of something specially they're talking
Speaker 1: to us about that. Shout out big shot oh Man yeah,
Speaker 1: shout out, big shot. You know what, when I was
Speaker 1: in Washington, me right when I got traded, Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I was real close with Tyler, right, Tyler was my guy. Right,
Speaker 1: So t Lou already had a relationship with Chauncey and he,
Speaker 1: you know, he prepped me before I went out to
Speaker 1: Detroit and he was like, hey, man, you're really gonna
Speaker 1: like Chauncey. And he's very similar to myself, really down
Speaker 1: to earth, real cool dude, you know, real thorough brother man,
Speaker 1: no ego, you know what I mean. Ain't on the bullshit,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because you know, playing in
Speaker 1: this league, you know you got a lot of players
Speaker 1: that bullshit man like, like you know, they always you know,
Speaker 1: sneak this in hating everything else that comes with, you know,
Speaker 1: being a professional athlete. But he was like, now you
Speaker 1: gonna love him. He like he's the mayor, Like he
Speaker 1: the best dude. He really they come, Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1: So I was like bad. So first when I got
Speaker 1: traded to Detroit, I was like, you know, the first
Speaker 1: thing I asked my age and I was like, who'd
Speaker 1: I get traded for? And he was like Jerry Stackhouse.
Speaker 1: I was like oh snap, like Stack like Ships that
Speaker 1: was just the NBA's league scored like like they like
Speaker 1: Detroit gave up on him, like like I mean like
Speaker 1: I'm still a young pup, still trying to figure it out,
Speaker 1: Like I'm still trying to figure out my game, still
Speaker 1: trying to make a name for myself. So when they
Speaker 1: traded for it for Stack, I was like, damn, they
Speaker 1: must really want you rip, like, you know, go back
Speaker 1: to what Cold told me. And you know when I
Speaker 1: first got to the league, you know, come in hit first, man,
Speaker 1: like come in there and just be you. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Don't change change your don't change the
Speaker 1: way you play. And then I reached out to Chauncey
Speaker 1: me and him started talking you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: which was great. We got on on the same page
Speaker 1: right from the jump. He was he was very similar
Speaker 1: to myself. And then Ben Wallace he already set the
Speaker 1: foundation right like like he already set the foundation on
Speaker 1: what we was about, hard nosed, grid grind, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, you know, we was gonna come
Speaker 1: to work each and every day, you know, And I
Speaker 1: was like, Damn, we got some real lass dudes, like
Speaker 1: real dudes, you know what I'm saying. On one team,
Speaker 1: you know that that that doesn't that that that don't
Speaker 1: always happen. You know. You know, you might have one
Speaker 1: guy that you funk with or two guys you funk
Speaker 1: with on the team, but when the whole team is
Speaker 1: about that teams there was a special ones yes, so
Speaker 1: that getting getting an opportunity to go there. You know,
Speaker 1: you already had guys on that team that that was
Speaker 1: committed to winning, and it wasn't about them, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. It was about the team. Like, Okay,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm you know big, Our big thing was
Speaker 1: I I am my brother's keeper, like you know, like, uh,
Speaker 1: that's my bro. You know what I'm saying. I love you,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And I'm gonna have your
Speaker 1: back through thick and thin, and you're gonna have mine.
Speaker 1: So you know, it was just it was it was
Speaker 1: something very special that uh Joe Dumars put together with
Speaker 1: that team, you know, and and then adding Rashid and
Speaker 1: once once, once, once Rashid came, it was game over.
Speaker 1: I mean it was it was nothing that you can do.
Speaker 1: I mean, like I didn't give a damn who you
Speaker 1: was because during that time, during that era, was like ship.
Speaker 1: Anytime you played against the Lakers, it was always like damn, man,
Speaker 1: I gotta go against you know, Shock's big gass in there.
Speaker 1: And then Cob he going. Only thing he wanted to
Speaker 1: do is overplay everything and force you in there to
Speaker 1: ship because they got you know, that's a security blanket,
Speaker 1: so he can overplay you on everything to funnel you
Speaker 1: into the big fella and then were and then Shackul
Speaker 1: put you on your ass too if you start doing
Speaker 1: too well. Yes, yes, so that team was ridiculous. But
Speaker 1: once she came and I can remember throwing the ball
Speaker 1: to him in the post and I cut off of
Speaker 1: him and he passed me the ball and I laid
Speaker 1: it up. And at the time, you know, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: I think she, you know, top three power forward in
Speaker 1: the game at that time, by far, by far, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And you had the best, You
Speaker 1: had the best power forward game, you know. Yet see
Speaker 1: Wheb you had me die, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You had dirt Navinski, you had like like come on,
Speaker 1: she was a killer inside out, inside out. Man, I'm
Speaker 1: taking foxhole all day long. And I and I threw
Speaker 1: the ball to him because me and Challenge used to
Speaker 1: always say to Joe like, hey, you know what, we
Speaker 1: need somebody. You know, we got the permit on a lot,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean that was just our mentality at
Speaker 1: the time. You know what I'm saying, But we need
Speaker 1: a big that can force the double team. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, because every time we're coming off the
Speaker 1: you know, chance is coming off the pick and roll
Speaker 1: teams were blessing. When I come off a pen down
Speaker 1: team's gonna bless me coming off she you can't bless
Speaker 1: You can't track because if you do that, she's gonna
Speaker 1: make your ass pay. You know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 1: you know she was a guy that forced the double
Speaker 1: team for us, right, We needed somebody to force the
Speaker 1: double team. So when I threw the ball and to him,
Speaker 1: not cut off him. He gave me the ball back.
Speaker 1: I'm like, ship like, you can score on this dude, anytime.
Speaker 1: Next player, I come down and throw it to him again.
Speaker 1: He said, Rip, do the same, ship Man, run off
Speaker 1: of me again. Boom it gets to him again. And
Speaker 1: right then and there and said I said to myself,
Speaker 1: oh bro, we're gonna win the championship because this guy
Speaker 1: right now can score on anybody, right and he's so
Speaker 1: unselfish that he's saying, all right, you know what, fuck
Speaker 1: my individual ship, you know what I'm saying, like, it's
Speaker 1: all about the team. I'm gonna do with everything possible
Speaker 1: for us to get get this team over the hump,
Speaker 1: and bro, he's still to this day one of the
Speaker 1: most unselfish and one of my favorite teammates of all time.
Speaker 1: You got, you got. You gotta think about it. Though
Speaker 1: y'all had point guard. You had one of the best,
Speaker 1: one of the most clutched, solid point guards ever playing
Speaker 1: the NBA. Chance to buildings at two guards. You had
Speaker 1: to guard one of the best two guards. Grab your
Speaker 1: motherfucking arms, scratching with his nails, come off, the motherfucking
Speaker 1: pinned down. Your motherfucker was so he was so for
Speaker 1: how skinny, he was so physical and like a little
Speaker 1: fucking fearious ass dog when you would touch him. And
Speaker 1: then you had on top that you had to chase
Speaker 1: his ass around, big ass picks, around Wallace, around Wallace,
Speaker 1: around Jason Max Siell like you had big gass screen
Speaker 1: setters too. It was a motherfucker the guard Rip man
Speaker 1: El Campbell, all them big motherfucker's. Then you had Sheet
Speaker 1: at the four. You had you had the best power
Speaker 1: forwards ever you had. It was a six and three
Speaker 1: guard that can play all three positions, all four positions,
Speaker 1: can pack, you can do all. Then you finished with
Speaker 1: Ben Wadder's defensive player leg y'all had. Y'all had the
Speaker 1: perfect one, two, three, four or five in the league. Like,
Speaker 1: that's one of the best lineups as the starting five
Speaker 1: ever in the NBA. Bro Yo, man, I'm telling you
Speaker 1: like that that that lineup was great, even Tayshawny. You know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of sacrifices that that that tayshawn you
Speaker 1: know did from an offensive standpoint. We all know how
Speaker 1: greatly was defensively, but offensively, man, he couldn't get cold
Speaker 1: in this league if he wanted to know. But that's
Speaker 1: what that that that's not what our team you know needed.
Speaker 1: Uh So me running around like crazy man, like I couldn't,
Speaker 1: you know, get into a physical grudge match with y'all dudes,
Speaker 1: Like some dudes would eat me up, Like you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You know, Jack play against ryn artists.
Speaker 1: Mother elbow, you grab you and everything. So my air
Speaker 1: was like it's similar to you guys, was you had
Speaker 1: to hit first, like if you allowed it, if you
Speaker 1: allowed the defense to hit you first, then ship, they're
Speaker 1: gonna be able to throw me around like a puppet.
Speaker 1: So I had to use my guy giving gift and
Speaker 1: that was my endurance and my speed. So I run
Speaker 1: off screens. I would grab the ship out of y'all.
Speaker 1: Like Matt said, I'll put I would put my nails
Speaker 1: in you. You know what I would. I wouldn't cut
Speaker 1: my nails on purpose, bron So just so just think
Speaker 1: about it. I got somebody like and all these dudes
Speaker 1: trying to beat me up from a full stand was
Speaker 1: to bully you. So if you're trying to bully me,
Speaker 1: right and I'm putting my nails in you, the first
Speaker 1: thing you're gonna do and say, Man, this dude scratched me. Like, man,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get too close to him, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So right then and there, I felt like, oh,
Speaker 1: I got you. You know what I'm saying. Then I
Speaker 1: would come off the screen. Then I will bump You'll
Speaker 1: hit you with a chief shot. I get you. With
Speaker 1: the elbow here and there, and then by the time
Speaker 1: you try to give me back. You know, I tried
Speaker 1: to play in space. I never tried to play in
Speaker 1: the crowd because if I played in the crowd, then
Speaker 1: you're able to grab you, able to hold you, able
Speaker 1: to hit you know what I'm saying. You able to
Speaker 1: get your little chief shots. But if I hit you,
Speaker 1: you know, and run and now you hit me in
Speaker 1: the crowd, were gonna call a foul every time. That's
Speaker 1: how bad. That's how you bade it. Rong. I got
Speaker 1: him in that playoffs sta I got yeah, because listen,
Speaker 1: during that series right there, that was a tough series, man.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. That year, man, y'all, y'all
Speaker 1: had a hoof Man, I don't even wanna talk. I
Speaker 1: don't even want to talk about y'all team. Your team
Speaker 1: was the ship. And going down the stretch of that game,
Speaker 1: I knew I was gonna bait him. I knew him.
Speaker 1: I just knew because I played against Ryn, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. We had battles with him when he
Speaker 1: was at St. John's. You know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: knew how physical he was, and I knew that if
Speaker 1: I hit him with a chief shot, Ron getting way
Speaker 1: with it. Yeah, he's gonna let you get away with it.
Speaker 1: He gonna get you back. So you know, I watched
Speaker 1: this documentary. He was like, yeah, nobody's seen when he
Speaker 1: got me. Yeah, I got I was trying. I was
Speaker 1: trying to do anything to win, you know, like like
Speaker 1: I'm doing whatever, I gotta do the win. And I
Speaker 1: remember when he hit me with that elbow. He didn't
Speaker 1: even hit me hard. I just felt, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, And I just laid on the ground like
Speaker 1: I got shot. And I remember Germaine O'Neil was just
Speaker 1: yelling and screaming like Ron, what are you doing? Blah
Speaker 1: blah blah, And he was trying to explain to y'all
Speaker 1: that he didn't really hit me that hard. But he
Speaker 1: really didn't hit me that hard. But I just got
Speaker 1: I have a lot of people don't know, like, okay,
Speaker 1: people don't know how our relationship, how cool is But
Speaker 1: even even to go back like that that happened the
Speaker 1: year before I got there with you and Ron and
Speaker 1: I walked into the ribbing with y'all, and people don't understand,
Speaker 1: like those two teams was so talented and was so
Speaker 1: at each each other. When all that happened to day
Speaker 1: of the bra bro as close as me and you are,
Speaker 1: all that went out the window for about five seconds.
Speaker 1: Facts you know what that square it up? Yeah, it up?
Speaker 1: And let me let me tell you bro the ship
Speaker 1: and she was so crazy that when I watched it,
Speaker 1: I'm like, god, damn, it was me a rip about
Speaker 1: the five men. That's my partner. No but but but
Speaker 1: but we was all in the morning. We was all
Speaker 1: right for our guys. But we ain't never talked about it.
Speaker 1: But I was telling people how different basketball was then
Speaker 1: and now, Like if you was on the team and
Speaker 1: you was in that area where you was on the
Speaker 1: Pacers team on the Piston team, that robbery was deeper
Speaker 1: than basketball. Bro, oh man, it's like said that that
Speaker 1: that was crazy and me and Stack was like like this,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like like like feel what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And that Indiana Pacer team was ridiculous because
Speaker 1: You'll had everything that was very similar to us. Dogs,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like you you you need
Speaker 1: dogs in the fox and you need pit bulls. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. During that era to winning that
Speaker 1: when the uh NBA Championship, and if you look at
Speaker 1: the match the matchups, like the matchups like like we
Speaker 1: we everywhere we matched up, well, it wasn't. It wasn't
Speaker 1: like okay, you know what, all right, at the power forward, Uh,
Speaker 1: we're gonna win that matchup or at the big or
Speaker 1: at the goal or whatever whatever. Hell not. Jamal was
Speaker 1: a problem, you know what I mean, Stephen Jackson a problem.
Speaker 1: You know. Al Harrington ar tests like like Jaman O'Neil
Speaker 1: like bro like like we had Reggie still to Reggie too,
Speaker 1: like that was like bro, like how do you put
Speaker 1: that team together? And we knew though, like on our
Speaker 1: squad we knew it. We knew it. And when Jack
Speaker 1: first got there, you know me and Jack's home, his
Speaker 1: first team to do is get on TV and talking about, oh,
Speaker 1: you know what, Detroit they were the beast in the
Speaker 1: East for the last couple of years. It's it's a
Speaker 1: new sheriff in town and stuff. Yeah, Okay, he was
Speaker 1: on he was he was on his He came on
Speaker 1: his I'm like, damn, he ain't even got here yet
Speaker 1: and he already talked track. I'm like Okay, so the
Speaker 1: arrival right there, you know what I'm saying is starting
Speaker 1: to begin where now you know you're looking at two
Speaker 1: teams when we match up that we don't even like
Speaker 1: each other, you know what I'm saying, Like like we
Speaker 1: don't even like like even though like I said, like
Speaker 1: Jack said, we're homies, we're best friends, we love each other.
Speaker 1: You feel what I'm saying. Anything like we're off the
Speaker 1: court and we're in adult fight and Jack fighting. Were
Speaker 1: all fighting, I'm saying. But during that time, it was
Speaker 1: so much built up into this because you got to understand,
Speaker 1: we want to get back to the promising. You know what,
Speaker 1: Indiana already feel like the group of guys that they
Speaker 1: had on their team right now, during that time, they
Speaker 1: felt like they were better than us, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So it was like a thing was like okay,
Speaker 1: it's all about you know who wanted more? You know
Speaker 1: what I more? Like like like like hey, like screw basketball,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like I know what you run,
Speaker 1: we know what you run, you know, like like like
Speaker 1: like who's gonna out will the other team? It was
Speaker 1: all about your will? You know? So that's what I
Speaker 1: love about that matchup and during that bro like I
Speaker 1: tell people, you know, I never told Jack, I never
Speaker 1: told Jack this, But y'all was kicking our hands that game,
Speaker 1: like like on our whole court, like like we our
Speaker 1: team main never been handled like that. We we were
Speaker 1: the bully. That's how we felt, you know what. Any
Speaker 1: team that we went against, like it was times we
Speaker 1: get into the fourth quarter and be down fifteen and
Speaker 1: we look at each other and be like, all right,
Speaker 1: you're ready to turn on, turn it on. You already
Speaker 1: turned on the switch. And she'd be like, all right,
Speaker 1: let's do it, and we'll still win by ten. But
Speaker 1: playing against Indiana, man, no, hell no. I mean they
Speaker 1: had dogs, many dogs. That was but that that was
Speaker 1: our biggest game, like we had beat everybody, and and
Speaker 1: that was our only game with like, hey we beat everybody,
Speaker 1: but this is the Eastern Carpet Champions Detroit. We ain't
Speaker 1: played them yet, and that was like our biggest game.
Speaker 1: We we had put so much into that game and
Speaker 1: the motion of them so high and you don't even
Speaker 1: know this real At the end of the game, we're
Speaker 1: shooting the free throw right, I'm shooting. I'm at the
Speaker 1: free throw line. Jamal, I make the free throw, and
Speaker 1: I go back to give Jamal and run uh five
Speaker 1: for making a free throw. Jamal tells, Run, you can
Speaker 1: get your file back some some file that being put
Speaker 1: on run in the Eastern Conference file. Remember that I
Speaker 1: told you you don't forget nothing. I wasn't on the
Speaker 1: team yet, yes, And he told him to get his
Speaker 1: file back. If you remember, I was guarden being I
Speaker 1: let being laid up in. Ran came from out of
Speaker 1: nowhere and filed him. And that's how all that ship started.
Speaker 1: Bro no doubt, no doubt, no doubt. And Ben and
Speaker 1: Ben even said, because it's crazy because on earth side,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Ben, want you to referee
Speaker 1: a couple of plays before that, and he said to
Speaker 1: the referee, is told the referee a man, little bro
Speaker 1: Ron out here being dirty hit me with his brother too. Yes,
Speaker 1: he was like, hit me, hit me with a chief shot.
Speaker 1: He said, if if he if he hits me again,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. If you ain't gonna do
Speaker 1: something about it, I'm gonna do something about it. And
Speaker 1: that's and that's when Ron came over there and hit
Speaker 1: him aginning. He was already, like I said, he was
Speaker 1: already on tilt and that's when the thing went crazy. Yo, man,
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta say this last thing about that ripping.
Speaker 1: I want to see what you say. How hard did
Speaker 1: Ben pushed Ron in his face? Bro? Oh my goodness, listen, man,
Speaker 1: I listened. I know how, I know how. I see
Speaker 1: him every day. You know what I'm saying that Ben
Speaker 1: is not the dude to be messing with, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But on another note, Ron or to
Speaker 1: be messing when you got these two. You know, I
Speaker 1: mean too, he's too rock with these two rock wallers.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. But I know what, It
Speaker 1: takes a lot to get being piste off. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: and and Ben come from you know, you know his
Speaker 1: brothers like he one of the younger brothers like he
Speaker 1: he grew up and fights every every day, just you know,
Speaker 1: from the standpoint of mom putting food on the table,
Speaker 1: and you know, you're the little brother. Sometimes you don't
Speaker 1: get the big piece of chicken, you know what. I
Speaker 1: so so so Ben from that air. So when he
Speaker 1: run like that, I was like, oh snap, it's about
Speaker 1: to go down. I thought he almost broke his neck.
Speaker 1: But that that just lets you know how strong Run
Speaker 1: Run is exactly. It was crazy, unbelievable. I love to see, like,
Speaker 1: you know, the core pieces of that Brawlson down and talk,
Speaker 1: maybe having on the show, but I think it would
Speaker 1: be dope to, you know, to get Sheet and ripped
Speaker 1: to talk about him more, and then and then Ben
Speaker 1: and then get you and and Run and Jo to
Speaker 1: just sit and talk. I guarantee there's never been you know,
Speaker 1: like RiPP just said, I just said something to Jack.
Speaker 1: I never told him you said the same thing. There's
Speaker 1: so much unspoken ship in one of the biggest pivotal
Speaker 1: moments in NBA history. I mean, that was one of
Speaker 1: the biggest obviously the biggest brawl in NBA history. Fact,
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of rules were made because
Speaker 1: of that for all, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: I think for everyone to sit out and talk. Rev
Speaker 1: got mazed. I don't even know Rev got mazed, man, dude.
Speaker 1: It was it was a lot going on that time. Man,
Speaker 1: it was I thought I broke my wrist because you know,
Speaker 1: it was the time when when everybody was running to
Speaker 1: the crowd. My whole thing is defend my brother, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Because I don't know where. I like,
Speaker 1: I don't know where Ron is running to. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, I don't. I don't know anything because
Speaker 1: there's so much going on at that time, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Even Ben he thought, okay, Ron is
Speaker 1: coming around that way to come So at the time,
Speaker 1: I remember I was on the score table when I'm
Speaker 1: running to try to jump in there, and Elden Campbell
Speaker 1: come and grab me, brought my ankle and I just
Speaker 1: remember falling on that cement and I thought I broke
Speaker 1: my wrist. You know what I'm saying, falling off the
Speaker 1: score table at that time. But you know, it was.
Speaker 1: It was a crazy time, man. You know, they, you know,
Speaker 1: the league definitely try to clean up the game after that.
Speaker 1: You know, it was. It was definitely something that you know,
Speaker 1: both of us wish we have never experienced, you know,
Speaker 1: in a lifetime, you know, but like I said, it
Speaker 1: was two teams. You know, there's things you do to
Speaker 1: try to win the World Championship, man. Like, like the
Speaker 1: game was, like Jack said, even though we were best
Speaker 1: friends during that moment, all best is off. We ain't talking,
Speaker 1: We ain't having no conversation about it. I ain't. I
Speaker 1: ain't calling Jack and saying, Jack, what the hell was
Speaker 1: you thinking? Like like like like ship like you know,
Speaker 1: like we're trying to win a championship. We won't do
Speaker 1: anything possible to try to get the edge. That's crazy.
Speaker 1: Let's take backtrack a little bit though. Uh. You know,
Speaker 1: we obviously talked about your team. How you guys are
Speaker 1: perfectly constructed. You guys run into a great Laker team
Speaker 1: where many teams didn't give you a shot, and you're
Speaker 1: playing against you know, one of your high school How
Speaker 1: many people can say they played like one of their
Speaker 1: best friends from high school in the I knows and
Speaker 1: then beat him, you know what I mean. Talked to
Speaker 1: us a little bit about that was because, like I said,
Speaker 1: I don't think many people gave you guys a chance
Speaker 1: because of Shaq and Kobe's dynamic. But you guys just
Speaker 1: had a deeper, better team man. You know what it was,
Speaker 1: Like I said, it was, you know, we were built
Speaker 1: on against all odds, like my man of Tupac said, right,
Speaker 1: you know, we felt we felt like we were misfits.
Speaker 1: You know, we felt like teams gave up on us
Speaker 1: too early. My situation in Washington Chauncey situation, him, you know,
Speaker 1: being on a few teams before he got there, Tayshawn
Speaker 1: being the number twenty second pick at that time when
Speaker 1: he felt like he should have been a top fifteen pick,
Speaker 1: Ben Wallace being moved all around, you know, him not
Speaker 1: being respected Rashid you know, uh, going through the stuff
Speaker 1: that he went through in Portland. So we felt like
Speaker 1: we felt like man like to be honest, we were
Speaker 1: the better team, you know, but going against l A,
Speaker 1: like I said, going against Shaq and Cole probably the
Speaker 1: best one to punch of our error pretty much. And
Speaker 1: and Old from the from the standpoint of me knowing
Speaker 1: him as a kid, always been a killer, So I
Speaker 1: know that he's gonna come ready, right, So I can
Speaker 1: always remember like, uh going to to to Ben in
Speaker 1: Chauncey and Sheet and and Tay And I used to
Speaker 1: tell him like, yo, man, this dude been. He beat
Speaker 1: me for a state championship in high school because that
Speaker 1: was our thing. Was always a back and forth thing,
Speaker 1: you know, who would get the upper hand. Uh he
Speaker 1: won there, he won, he got He won the state
Speaker 1: championship that year. So when I won the national championship
Speaker 1: in college, I called him and was like, yo, bro,
Speaker 1: you can have that high school championship. That ship don't
Speaker 1: mean none. I got a college. I got a college.
Speaker 1: He was like, really, man, in two years, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have two NBA championships. Right. He was like, trust me,
Speaker 1: two years, I'm gonna have two of them. So that
Speaker 1: you know me, that back and forth was was us
Speaker 1: since kids. So he was like, man, you know want
Speaker 1: I know? So when we got there on that stage
Speaker 1: and knowing the history of us going back can fourth
Speaker 1: and always competing against each other, I'm looking at chauncing
Speaker 1: and I'm like, bro, I can't let this dude beat
Speaker 1: me again. Hell nah, Like like I funk that. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, I can't live with myself
Speaker 1: if he beats me on the highest stage, Like bro,
Speaker 1: y'all dudes have to have my back. And I can
Speaker 1: remember being saying to myself, Bro, what you're talking about
Speaker 1: ripping ship? I got shock like stuff I got and
Speaker 1: I gotta guard him head up, I said, Bro, I
Speaker 1: get it, I get it, but I can't leave this game,
Speaker 1: this series with with with allowing this dude to beat me.
Speaker 1: So you know it was fun man, Uh, Like I said,
Speaker 1: confidence wise, we believe that we can beat them, you know,
Speaker 1: but we know it's gonna be uphill help hell battle,
Speaker 1: just knowing that the roster they had up, they had
Speaker 1: set up with Gary Payton and Carmelone on that team also,
Speaker 1: but we just felt it feels over our year. M HM,
Speaker 1: talk to us a little bit. Carmelo Anthony recently spoke
Speaker 1: uh Instagram live a d Wade uh a few days
Speaker 1: ago talking about if if you oh three you guys
Speaker 1: would have drafted, if the Pistons would have drafted him.
Speaker 1: He felt like, you guys could have won two three championships,
Speaker 1: and on paper that sounds about right. But then you
Speaker 1: see a few days later Ben Wallace said he just
Speaker 1: doesn't know if that would have worked. Uh. You know,
Speaker 1: tay Shaun was there, he would have wanted to Mellow
Speaker 1: would have wanted to play more sooner. What do you
Speaker 1: think would have happened if you guys would actually drafted
Speaker 1: mellow Man? First of all, I think that I would
Speaker 1: have played at least twenty years in the NBA if
Speaker 1: wed me, I do I don't. I don't know what
Speaker 1: Ben was talking about. I really don't. I love body
Speaker 1: to death, but I don't know what the hell he
Speaker 1: was talking about when he when he when he said that.
Speaker 1: But uh, if cart Mellow Anthony comes to Detroit, man, listen,
Speaker 1: problem Mellow was at once in a generational type. I
Speaker 1: tell people, if Karmelo comes to us, me and Chauncey
Speaker 1: talked about it with the narrative been different with Lebron.
Speaker 1: James Man talked to him because he's winning, Chad, He's
Speaker 1: winning possibly more championships than than than been braught at
Speaker 1: the time, than the weight at the time, and that's
Speaker 1: been the only knock just had he had y'all team
Speaker 1: around him. Just think about it, Matt, I don't think
Speaker 1: that Cleveland team beats us with Karmel Anthony. N come
Speaker 1: on like nobody beata. I think the narrative will been
Speaker 1: different on Carmelo Anthony. You know what I'm saying. The
Speaker 1: biggest I mean, like like the way we were structured
Speaker 1: when guys came to our team, like guys falls in line.
Speaker 1: Like when I when I came from Washington, I wasn't
Speaker 1: a defender, you know what I'm saying. I wasn't a
Speaker 1: guy that really strapped up on the defensive end. You know,
Speaker 1: But when I out there and seeing big bro Ben
Speaker 1: Wallace doing the night in the night out and saying,
Speaker 1: this is the this is the foundation of what this
Speaker 1: team is built on. I gotta fall in line. Chauncey
Speaker 1: Bill has gotta fall in line. Chauncy woudn't look at
Speaker 1: us no defender before he got the Detroit like you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So we all had to fall
Speaker 1: in line because of what Ben was beginning to build
Speaker 1: in Detroit. So now you bring Carmelo to us, I
Speaker 1: think the narrative would have been totally different on his
Speaker 1: career because the thing we'll be talking about is, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, Carmelo Anthony now has three championships already, right
Speaker 1: uh now mellows thinking about you know what, can he
Speaker 1: do this by himself? You know? So that would have
Speaker 1: been that that would have been a question mark then
Speaker 1: you know, going into that next that next UH negotiation
Speaker 1: for his UH for his contract, Like, Okay, I got
Speaker 1: three already, you know what, Now maybe I want to
Speaker 1: and you're out and see if I can do it
Speaker 1: on my own. That would have been a narrative on
Speaker 1: Carmelo Anthony. Carmelo Anthony would have been a champion So man,
Speaker 1: if like I said, if he would have been playing
Speaker 1: on our team, me and would have played for twenty
Speaker 1: years and now you know, we wouldn't have to to
Speaker 1: to carry the load like I wouldn't have to, you know,
Speaker 1: play for the messy game. Now. You know, when we're
Speaker 1: thirty something years old, it's like hum melo, Carrious, don't
Speaker 1: take the ball, you know, Yeah, yeah you Carrious like
Speaker 1: me and Chance were gonna knock down wide open shots.
Speaker 1: Tashawan gonna do what he do. She did a bit
Speaker 1: like we didn't care. We had no ego, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. The only thing that mattered for us
Speaker 1: was to win basketball games. Yeah, that could have been special. Man.
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody, like I said, it'd been scared
Speaker 1: if you think about it, man, because like I said,
Speaker 1: you guys had all and this is no t was
Speaker 1: a very solid fifteen sixteen year pro. But like you said,
Speaker 1: Mellow is a generational talent throwing in there. And he's
Speaker 1: a dog in himself. I mean, so he fit right
Speaker 1: into what the funk y'all was doing already. So if
Speaker 1: you had a thirty point of games score on that team,
Speaker 1: nobody could beat You'll, no, absolutely and tay Shan did
Speaker 1: everything for us. You know what I'm saying. And it's
Speaker 1: not the knock on Tean maybe Carmelo anything doesn't start
Speaker 1: like like you don't like maybe I don't start like like.
Speaker 1: For us, we didn't care. It was all about us
Speaker 1: winning basketball games and we can win and we can
Speaker 1: put you know, uh something up in the rafters that
Speaker 1: said NBA Champions Like we didn't care who got the
Speaker 1: glory because at the end of the day, we felt
Speaker 1: like we were all gonna get paid and have our
Speaker 1: individual success if we win basketball games. If we don't win,
Speaker 1: none of that can happen for us. So you guys
Speaker 1: have a nice run, uh that that slowly comes to
Speaker 1: an end. You start meeting up with d Wade and
Speaker 1: Chew teams and you know Lebronze teams that he was
Speaker 1: carrying through the Eastern Conference at the time. UM, talk
Speaker 1: to us a little bit that about the game that
Speaker 1: lebron took over against you guys in the playoffs and
Speaker 1: catapulted them to their first finals appearance. Oh man, that's
Speaker 1: a memory that I just I don't want to remin
Speaker 1: this at all, but uh, you know what it was.
Speaker 1: You know, Lebron was, you know, just about to take off. Man,
Speaker 1: we all knew how great he was. You know. We
Speaker 1: used to always say, especially when Lebron got to Cleveland's
Speaker 1: first couple of years, and we said to herself, like,
Speaker 1: when this kid figures figures it out, it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a problem for us because he's too big, he's too strong,
Speaker 1: he's too athletic. He can do so many things on
Speaker 1: the floor that you just can't stop. He can dominate
Speaker 1: the game without scoring the ball, like you know, like like,
Speaker 1: and we felt like if he beats us, he's the
Speaker 1: type of guy that you don't allow beat you one
Speaker 1: time because if he beat you one time, he think
Speaker 1: he's gonna do it every time. In that game and
Speaker 1: I can remember is you know he scored straight points
Speaker 1: against us, right and uh, Flip Saunders was the coach
Speaker 1: at the time, Rest in peace, Flip Saunders and flipped
Speaker 1: and believe in trapping Lebron at the time. So we
Speaker 1: would icing every time. And you know, if you ice
Speaker 1: Lebron and let him come downhill on the big over
Speaker 1: and nothing, nothing that he can tell because he's just
Speaker 1: as big as he's just as strong as your Biggs
Speaker 1: and he can probably jump hard and you know most
Speaker 1: of your bigs and he scored well, when you're playing
Speaker 1: the game, you don't realize he scored twenty five straight points. Right.
Speaker 1: But when we had success with Lebron, we will always switch, right.
Speaker 1: We would say, okay, you know we had defensive player
Speaker 1: of the Year Ben Wallace, you know, so when they're
Speaker 1: gonna pick a roll, why do you switch out on him?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. And then everybody else just
Speaker 1: man up because we didn't believe in double team, you know,
Speaker 1: that was that was our thing. It was like, yo,
Speaker 1: you know, man up, you know, especially you know if
Speaker 1: you if you in a regular season, you know, we
Speaker 1: ain't gonna send a double team. So you you got
Speaker 1: a man up with it. But once he scored them
Speaker 1: twenty five straight points, I remember coming to the locker room,
Speaker 1: man and who she was piste off. She she let
Speaker 1: let flip sounders at the time, right, And I'm trying
Speaker 1: to calm him down, you know, because I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: she the serious is not over, you know. But she
Speaker 1: was so piste off because he was like, man, we
Speaker 1: don't get you don't get opportunities like this, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, like you don't get opportunities like it
Speaker 1: don't come every day that you get an opportunity to
Speaker 1: make it to the NBA finals, you know, like like
Speaker 1: like you know, late in your career, you try to
Speaker 1: get on teams to get that, you know, but when
Speaker 1: you it's it's very rare that you have that in
Speaker 1: your in your prime. So he was piste off at
Speaker 1: that time. And and I and I can remember going
Speaker 1: into the next game, uh, game six, I think we
Speaker 1: played against them, and uh, in Cleveland, we we went
Speaker 1: in with the game plan the players, which was crazy
Speaker 1: when you think about it, right, because times we gotta
Speaker 1: make our owners. What I'm saying, that should be happening
Speaker 1: sometimes more than people realize that because some of these
Speaker 1: coaches be on the bullshit and we're out there and
Speaker 1: we know better. We yes, yes. So you know Flip
Speaker 1: had uh uh he said the next day he said, hey,
Speaker 1: you know what, guys, meet meet at the plane. Right,
Speaker 1: So we were the type of dudes was like, meet
Speaker 1: at the plane. Now we gotta get this right, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. The Flip was like, now meet
Speaker 1: meet at the plane. So we came together and said, hey,
Speaker 1: you know what all coaches go to the plane. We're
Speaker 1: gonna have our own practice. Yeah, that's dope. So we
Speaker 1: we had our own practice. Like we went in there said,
Speaker 1: bro Lebron ain't gonna beat us, you know, like I'm
Speaker 1: a guardian for the first five minutes, Ta Sean, give
Speaker 1: you a break so you don't pick up two fouls early,
Speaker 1: you know. Then we're gonna bring Lindsey Hunter, and Lindsey
Speaker 1: you're gonna come in at the six minute mark, you know, yes,
Speaker 1: and then you're harass him in your guard him right
Speaker 1: then take Shan. You're gonna pick him up in the
Speaker 1: second quarter. Which was a great game plan. The only
Speaker 1: thing was was that Gibson came out that in Game
Speaker 1: six and hit a career high like seven threes. He
Speaker 1: ended up scoring thirty. You know, but we took Lebron
Speaker 1: out the game, which was, in my opinion, the best
Speaker 1: strategy that you can have. But you know, you you
Speaker 1: can't do things like that, especially when you're trying to
Speaker 1: win the championship. Definitely, looking back on your nine years
Speaker 1: in Detroit, what are some things that stand out to
Speaker 1: you about that. I think the biggest thing to stand
Speaker 1: out for me was you know, sharing that floor with
Speaker 1: some real ass dudes, man like, with some real brothers.
Speaker 1: Man like that time in Detroit, man like Matt, I
Speaker 1: like like it wasn't basketball, man Like, it was just
Speaker 1: bigger it was. It was just fun. It's just like
Speaker 1: hanging out with friends you grew up with, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. You know, everybody first thing they do
Speaker 1: is get when they get to the league, they bring
Speaker 1: all their homies with them, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: because that's you know, that's what you're familiar with. Like
Speaker 1: I was playing with my homies. I was playing with
Speaker 1: my brothers. Like through thick and through thin, I knew
Speaker 1: them dudes would have my back right or wrong, you know,
Speaker 1: like like because you know in certain situations like I
Speaker 1: might be wrong, you know what I mean, because I
Speaker 1: might you know, certain games, I would talk trash and
Speaker 1: run my mouth and whatever whatever. But I looked at
Speaker 1: being and be like, look, motherfucker, you better have my back.
Speaker 1: You know. You know what I'm saying, Like like if
Speaker 1: if something go down, you better go down with me.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. And that was the thing
Speaker 1: that we had. You know, we was joined by the hip,
Speaker 1: you know, So sharing that with my brothers and you know,
Speaker 1: having fun with it. You know, like we did everything together.
Speaker 1: We hooped together, we eight together, we hang we went
Speaker 1: to clubs together. Like we did everything together. So that
Speaker 1: was the thing that you know, I missed to this day.
Speaker 1: You know that the brotherhood that we had amongst amongst
Speaker 1: each other. Yeah, we won games. Yeah we want to
Speaker 1: the Eastern Conference Finals, one NBA championship with that brotherhood
Speaker 1: that we had, getting four, getting four All Stars in
Speaker 1: the NBA All Star Games. Should have five with t
Speaker 1: Sean that year. But that stuff right there, man, I
Speaker 1: mean it's hard to come by. Man, It's hard to
Speaker 1: come by when you know the dude that you're playing
Speaker 1: with really loves you, like like really like really yes,
Speaker 1: no doubt, special feeling we had. We had that, although
Speaker 1: it was short, we had that and go to State.
Speaker 1: So I know exactly what you're talking about, like that
Speaker 1: brotherhood where it's more than basketball's family and different ones
Speaker 1: like that. Get a chance to play with Derek Rose
Speaker 1: the year after coming off his MVP season, Um, you
Speaker 1: guys are in the playoffs. Mistake me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: Game in hand, Uh, tips keeps him in, he gets
Speaker 1: hurt and never comes back the same. Tell to me
Speaker 1: about that experience as a veteran seeing that process happened
Speaker 1: to such a promising young talent. Oh man, it was
Speaker 1: tough because that's the reason why I went to Chicago, right.
Speaker 1: I've seen what was happening in Detroit and it was
Speaker 1: kind of breaking up that team. And I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, you know what, real, you know, maybe it's
Speaker 1: your time to go, right, So, like you start thinking,
Speaker 1: you start looking at all the different teams. I'm saying,
Speaker 1: you know, what is the best fit? Right? I knew
Speaker 1: Chicago at the time needed the two guard, right uh
Speaker 1: and and I and I felt like, all right, you
Speaker 1: know what, I can be the missing piece to get
Speaker 1: them over the hunt because for Chicago at the time,
Speaker 1: they will always meet up against the Miami Heat with
Speaker 1: Lebron and d Wade, and they didn't have nobody to
Speaker 1: match up with d Wayne Wade. And me and d
Speaker 1: Wade had a lot of matchups, you know during my career.
Speaker 1: I mean that dudes great, Like that dude right there,
Speaker 1: push me too too. I mean like it was tough
Speaker 1: night and night out trying to guard him, you know,
Speaker 1: and also trying to do something on the on the
Speaker 1: on the office end, but uh, he was probably one
Speaker 1: of the toughest guys that I had to had to guard.
Speaker 1: But then going to Chicago and playing against Derek Rose
Speaker 1: during that time, man, I was like, bro like, I
Speaker 1: played with a lot of great players Derek ros during
Speaker 1: that time. It was probably the most talented player I
Speaker 1: ever played played with. I mean just starting at three yo.
Speaker 1: This dude was ridiculous. And I've seen what he was
Speaker 1: doing and practice night in the night out, and he
Speaker 1: had a great work work, work ethic and he's very
Speaker 1: similar to tou k D. Always say, Derek Rosen and
Speaker 1: UH and k D they're probably the most too humble
Speaker 1: superstars I've ever seen in my life, like to give
Speaker 1: you their shirt off their back like, and Derek was
Speaker 1: that type of guy. So playing against the semi six
Speaker 1: or sixers during that time, and a lot of people say, hey,
Speaker 1: you know what, why was Derek in the game, And
Speaker 1: you know, I would ask the question to like me
Speaker 1: knowing I won before you know, in Detroit, I've been
Speaker 1: you know, on the bench at times where you know,
Speaker 1: we had an opportunity to go after that record of
Speaker 1: winning seventy games or whatever because we were killing during
Speaker 1: one year, and guys like Sheet and Ben was to
Speaker 1: be like, man, get Chauncey off the floor, get Rip
Speaker 1: off the court, or they'll called time out and get
Speaker 1: us off the floor, because because we know that it's
Speaker 1: bigger than that game. So at that time, you know,
Speaker 1: you look back at it now now you can look
Speaker 1: back on it. We had that game right and you
Speaker 1: asked that question, why is he in the game? You know,
Speaker 1: because we already had that game in order for us
Speaker 1: to win NBA Championship. So I was always looking at
Speaker 1: it like, Okay, you know what, once the game, you
Speaker 1: got the game in hand, especially in the playoffs, you
Speaker 1: gotta get your best player off the floor. You just
Speaker 1: have to because it's just so much, you know, especially
Speaker 1: you know when you're the focal point of our offense.
Speaker 1: It's so much he's gonna have to deal with, especially
Speaker 1: when you get later and later in the series. Just
Speaker 1: from a physicality standpoint, you know, the rest swallowed whistle
Speaker 1: a little bit more. You know, they let you hold it,
Speaker 1: let you grab a little bit more. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. They're not calling the tiki tech fouls that
Speaker 1: they might call in the regular season. So you you
Speaker 1: gotta know that. And I'm thinking to myself, like, come on, tips,
Speaker 1: i gotta get him out of the game, you know.
Speaker 1: So when that happens, I'm like, oh snap, I'm like,
Speaker 1: bro get up, like like get up. And then when
Speaker 1: he doesn't get up and he's walking off, man, it
Speaker 1: it crushed me. Not because of my own individual you know, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, me coming there and wanting to win the championship,
Speaker 1: but just knowing Derek is a good kid. Derek is
Speaker 1: a dude that you know, he got a great work ethic,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, very humble, and this guy
Speaker 1: right here, man, you know, best point guard in the game,
Speaker 1: like like like couldn't nobody mess with the Rose during
Speaker 1: that time, you know, So to see him going down,
Speaker 1: I just felt like, like, you know, our chances of
Speaker 1: winning the championship is very rare to none, right, And
Speaker 1: like you said, it's more than just the basket because
Speaker 1: he's a good dude. Yea. That ship would make it
Speaker 1: hurt you though, some dudes they said I used to
Speaker 1: ask and that he was Derek Rose. I don't know
Speaker 1: him personally. I just know him from watching and reading
Speaker 1: stories on him and hear about his up upbringing. He's
Speaker 1: a great dude to go along with a very talented player.
Speaker 1: Listen this little this dude, this dude said one time
Speaker 1: in the locker room, win the locker room. He just
Speaker 1: signed a two hundred and fifty million dollar deal with Adidas,
Speaker 1: another hundred and fifty from the Bulls. She got four
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars at twenty what three years old? And
Speaker 1: I looked at him in the locker room. I said, Bro,
Speaker 1: do you know you just signed for four hundred million dollars? Right?
Speaker 1: And he like like like like what you mean? You know,
Speaker 1: like he didn't even know the impact of of that.
Speaker 1: And then I told his brother after, you know, Wrenchie
Speaker 1: after the game, like yo, congratulations. He was like, my
Speaker 1: brother don't even know what just happened. He called me,
Speaker 1: asked me the other day, is it okay if he
Speaker 1: buys a Bentley? I said what I said, how many
Speaker 1: dude you know that that that just made four hundred
Speaker 1: million dollars that will call his big bro. I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: was it cool for me to buy a Bentley? That
Speaker 1: just tells you what type of DUDEY is hype of
Speaker 1: dude not. I don't really like to do hypotheticals, But
Speaker 1: the trajectory you saw him on at twenty three barring injury,
Speaker 1: where would he rank amongst the greats? If we were
Speaker 1: ship was fifteen years sixteen years in and d Rose
Speaker 1: was just being able to play through with no injury.
Speaker 1: Where does he rank in the history Because to me,
Speaker 1: he was he was a generational talent as well, but
Speaker 1: probably wanted to be most special at at his position. Yeah,
Speaker 1: at his position, man, dude, I mean, man, you talk
Speaker 1: about the great ones. There's a lot of great ones
Speaker 1: out there, you know, talk about magic and you know
Speaker 1: John Stockton and all the ones that played before us.
Speaker 1: But in my opinion, Derrick Rose is definitely top ten easily,
Speaker 1: you know, could be top five. Man, this dude like
Speaker 1: like I'm telling you, like, I mean, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of great players in our game right now. When you're
Speaker 1: talking about the point guards position, Russell West Coast, you
Speaker 1: know you talk about uh CP Kyrie. Listen, none of
Speaker 1: them dudes wanted no smoke with I'm telling you right now,
Speaker 1: none of them dudes wanting no smoke with de Rose
Speaker 1: during that time. To believe, yes, Steve ro it was
Speaker 1: a problem. Let's talk about on court accessories in the
Speaker 1: early two thousands because you had probably one of the
Speaker 1: most fashionable statements. You know what I mean. You broke
Speaker 1: your nose a few times. You get the mask and
Speaker 1: I had to try to play with the mask. Once
Speaker 1: I couldn't handle that, took it off. I risked everything
Speaker 1: other guys couldn't play with. You made that, you know,
Speaker 1: like a household. You made that just as householders, you
Speaker 1: made your name. Talk to us about that process and
Speaker 1: why you decided to keep that mask on. Well what one?
Speaker 1: Uh I hated it too, Matt like like ship, I
Speaker 1: don't broke my nose three times, and uh you know,
Speaker 1: the one thing about it is when you break your
Speaker 1: nose and you gotta go through the surgery. It was
Speaker 1: putting me out like six weeks, like you know, just
Speaker 1: on simple fact they had to readjust my septum and
Speaker 1: the first time I broke it in like fourteen different pieces.
Speaker 1: Uh So And from a team standpoint, Ben and always
Speaker 1: been used to always say, man, I can't afford to
Speaker 1: lose you when it really counts, right, So I really
Speaker 1: had to think about, you know, a long term if
Speaker 1: you know, if this happens in the playoffs, and I
Speaker 1: won't be able to play. So, uh, once I started
Speaker 1: wearing it, I tell people it's like, you know, as
Speaker 1: a kid going tricker treating, and you know, nobody goes
Speaker 1: tricker treating with their mask on for the whole three hours.
Speaker 1: It's like you're running from house to house, right, but
Speaker 1: you only put your mask on and when you were
Speaker 1: the do you know. But I had to wear that
Speaker 1: thing for a whole entire game. It's getting fog, is
Speaker 1: getting clogged up and everything else. But the thing that
Speaker 1: I loved about wearing it is, you know, as players,
Speaker 1: you know, we don't want to get hit in the face.
Speaker 1: So every time you you you you go into the basket,
Speaker 1: a lot of times guys tents up like, oh man,
Speaker 1: I don't want to get poked in the eye or
Speaker 1: you know, get my teeth knocked out or whatever whatever.
Speaker 1: So once I wore that mask, now and I kind
Speaker 1: of became invincible because now as I'm going to the basket,
Speaker 1: I don't give a damnf I get hit in the face.
Speaker 1: You know, as long as I get two free throws.
Speaker 1: That that that was the thing. But once I started
Speaker 1: wearing it, wearing it, I started to feel like you know,
Speaker 1: all right, this is like my cake, like my Superman Kip,
Speaker 1: Like if when people come to watch basketball, you know this,
Speaker 1: wearing the mask kind of separates me from everybody else.
Speaker 1: We got a lot of great talent in our game. Right,
Speaker 1: every night you can come watch NBA basketball and you'll
Speaker 1: see guys that are elite, that are great, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, and have a great brand around him.
Speaker 1: And I was just like, you know what separates you
Speaker 1: from the rest of the NBA, the rest of the
Speaker 1: guys in the NBA wearing the mask. So once I
Speaker 1: started wearing it, I got used to it, and then
Speaker 1: it kind of became like my super Superman cape. And
Speaker 1: you know, never took it off ever since. That's dope.
Speaker 1: I love that. That's That's that we That's one of
Speaker 1: the memorable looks like that. You in the mask fall
Speaker 1: in the category with Obson with the with the arts leeve,
Speaker 1: in the head band, Lebron with the black mask in
Speaker 1: Miami mask in Miami. It wouldn't let me wear the
Speaker 1: black mask. That was crazy because I thought about it, right,
Speaker 1: I thought about it. I said, hey, you know what,
Speaker 1: when I first got my mask, then I said, I'm
Speaker 1: aware of black black mask in an All Star game,
Speaker 1: and they made a big deal about all you can't
Speaker 1: wear you're gonna get fine, and you know they won't
Speaker 1: let you play in the game with it. And then
Speaker 1: I turned on the TV and see Lebron James with
Speaker 1: a black mask on. Man, I was pissed off. I
Speaker 1: was like, what, like, what is going on here? Like
Speaker 1: I started this ship? This is motherfucking yes. Yes. But
Speaker 1: come to find out I heard that he didn't he
Speaker 1: didn't let the team know what mask he was gonna wear,
Speaker 1: and he kind of just ward, you know, it, came
Speaker 1: to the game and just kind of surprised everybody by
Speaker 1: wearing the black mask. Two questions for you, even though
Speaker 1: the season is not going on, who did you who
Speaker 1: did you think was going to the finals? And who
Speaker 1: what what young talent you like? And you watch the
Speaker 1: most Two questions, Oh, man, I think for for me,
Speaker 1: who was the team that I thought that was going
Speaker 1: to the finals? You might be mad at me, but
Speaker 1: I was going with the Clippers. Man. Matt was on
Speaker 1: board with me. Yeah, I was. I was going with
Speaker 1: the Clips, man. I mean, listen, yeah, you got a
Speaker 1: D and Lebron right, and I think with them having
Speaker 1: with with with with l A having a D. You know,
Speaker 1: the Clippers don't have nobody that can guard him. That's
Speaker 1: the one mismatch that they do have, you know. But
Speaker 1: and it's hard to bet against Lebron James, Like, I'll
Speaker 1: never bet I played against this dude. That is something
Speaker 1: that I just won't absolutely not not even not even close.
Speaker 1: I won't do that, right, I won't go on the
Speaker 1: record say that. But the Clippers, man, what they have, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, they got a bunch of dogs on their team.
Speaker 1: And then you look at the bench with Lou Williams
Speaker 1: and uh montre Is coming off the bench. They got
Speaker 1: guys that can fulfill Rose because in the playoffs, you
Speaker 1: need other guys to win you a game. Like you know,
Speaker 1: you can't depend on Brian and a D to win
Speaker 1: you all seven games, all four games. You can't. It's
Speaker 1: always another guy that going up that has to win
Speaker 1: the game for you. Like even when we have battles
Speaker 1: with with with y'all in in Indiana, Austin Crozier one
Speaker 1: y'all game one time, you know, like other guys to
Speaker 1: win one game for you. And I just think that
Speaker 1: the Clippers they have too many pieces. I mean, they
Speaker 1: got a great coach with DC Rivers, like, you know,
Speaker 1: they got the infrastructure, you know, the thing that the
Speaker 1: ship that Kawhi Leonard did last year and taking that
Speaker 1: Toronto Toronto Raptors team all way to the finals and
Speaker 1: winning it and putting that team on his back. It's like, yo, man,
Speaker 1: like I'm not human. My new nickname should be Robot
Speaker 1: because that's what that's what it reminds me of, of
Speaker 1: a robot like. But I would have to go with
Speaker 1: the Clippers, even though I don't want to bet against
Speaker 1: Lebron Lebron James. I. It's a toss up, man, It's
Speaker 1: a toss up. He's definitely coming out he had the Lakers.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's what I found. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: the safe better to say is coming out of And
Speaker 1: that's no disrespect to the East, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I get the East is very talented, but you gotta
Speaker 1: you gotta do it. You know, you've got guys who
Speaker 1: have done it on this West side. So it's definitely
Speaker 1: coming out of l a something to give you problems, Matt.
Speaker 1: Who's some of the young talent you enjoy watching these days?
Speaker 1: Oh Man, I'm a fan, man, So I love a
Speaker 1: lot of these young kids that's coming out coming out.
Speaker 1: I love John Morant right now. I mean he's everybody
Speaker 1: say him first. Yeah, man, he's he's a dog man.
Speaker 1: He's a beast man like with him when he when
Speaker 1: he was going through it with uh, the whole Andre
Speaker 1: Cadollar thing, you know, and Steph said something and he
Speaker 1: was like, hey, man, I love you, but I'm coming
Speaker 1: at you like like like you love that because you know,
Speaker 1: you don't want to hear that all the time, especially
Speaker 1: you know, in this new era of basketball. You know.
Speaker 1: But but he's a guy that you know, I watched,
Speaker 1: you know all the time. Another that episode dropped to
Speaker 1: cut you off now checking out. Another guy that I
Speaker 1: love that he that doesn't get a whole lot of
Speaker 1: credit is Devin Booker. I think Devin Booker is a problems.
Speaker 1: He's just on a bad team right now, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But he he's a dude that I
Speaker 1: respect that I love. He can make He can he
Speaker 1: can make plays on and off the ball. He can
Speaker 1: come off pin downs. You know, he can impact the
Speaker 1: game in different ways. You know, just hopefully that you
Speaker 1: know they can get their act together in Phoenix and
Speaker 1: put him in winning situations. But he's another young young
Speaker 1: kid that you know, I love to watch. He's because
Speaker 1: he's Kobe s to me, He's got some code in
Speaker 1: him and he and he plays the right way. And
Speaker 1: the thing that I love about him is in the summertime,
Speaker 1: he looks for the guys that made All Star Game.
Speaker 1: He looks for the guys that are supposed to be
Speaker 1: the best guards in the NBA. And when you got
Speaker 1: guys like that, man, you I gotta rock out with him?
Speaker 1: Love it? President President Day player that you would love
Speaker 1: to play with? Oh Man? For me? For me, I
Speaker 1: would have to say Steph Curry, nice, I do I mean?
Speaker 1: Because you know I love what they're doing. Golden statement, Matt,
Speaker 1: you can you can test this, uh that when you
Speaker 1: got a guy like Steph the way he impacts the
Speaker 1: game without having the ball in his hand right, can
Speaker 1: play on and off the ball. Now you gotta pick
Speaker 1: him up, you know as soon as he comes past
Speaker 1: half court. You know, I would love to get an
Speaker 1: opportunity to play with another guy that moves off the
Speaker 1: ball similar to myself, because I when I that them
Speaker 1: them golden State teams that they had. Now you're playing
Speaker 1: against the team that have three guys that can move
Speaker 1: without the ball. Uh, you got Steph, you got Clay,
Speaker 1: and you got kd. Like, you can't guard that, you
Speaker 1: can't guard that, you can't trap that anybody on the floor.
Speaker 1: So I would have to say, Steph Curry, who should
Speaker 1: be our next guest? On all the smoke? Who do
Speaker 1: you think should be our next guest? And before you answer,
Speaker 1: it's like Jack said, if you give us a guest,
Speaker 1: you gotta plug it. We need to plug. Okay, go
Speaker 1: if me in my opinion because it's it's who fits.
Speaker 1: This is my guy, Raschi Wallace, Yes, we got we
Speaker 1: gotta get shape. I just I just did him and
Speaker 1: Bonds podcast. I just did that podcast shout out the
Speaker 1: Buds and Sheet take podcast. But we definitely gotta get
Speaker 1: sheet on it. And like Matt said too, I really
Speaker 1: think we should all get together and do that brawl
Speaker 1: sit down. I think that would be dope. No, that
Speaker 1: would be dope because now you you hear the back
Speaker 1: story on what guys were thinking during that time because
Speaker 1: we we all we all seen it and seen it
Speaker 1: totally differently. You know what I'm saying like it was
Speaker 1: stuff that was going on over there on y'all bench
Speaker 1: that I didn't even know what was going on until
Speaker 1: I watched it on the highlights on film, or or
Speaker 1: when they brought us in that room, when they did
Speaker 1: that investigation and they brought out all them different cameras
Speaker 1: and they showed you, showed everything that was going on.
Speaker 1: That would be I definitely think we need to sit down.
Speaker 1: You need I think the hardest person to probably get
Speaker 1: is gonna be Big Bid. So you were a big
Speaker 1: big We're gonna try to get jack side hell down.
Speaker 1: If you get big Big, we're gonna make that ship happen.
Speaker 1: I got you, I'll work on it. I might have
Speaker 1: to come in the headlock and I talked. I talked
Speaker 1: to being not too long ago, being man being down
Speaker 1: with You know, Bid is a one hundred brother dog
Speaker 1: man we are and we all come come together. He
Speaker 1: definitely down with it. After the quarantine, man, we gotta
Speaker 1: make a show time. Bring all you guys out to
Speaker 1: l A. We sit out and definitely talk about that.
Speaker 1: That would be crazy. That would be crazy. That would
Speaker 1: be dope. Um artist a song you gotta repeat right now?
Speaker 1: Oh man, it's that. It's that Drake right now in
Speaker 1: that TUSI slide. Man, crazy, This is crib though. Man,
Speaker 1: that's crazy. God, you got the dance down. Man, Listen,
Speaker 1: I'm trying. I can't dues man. That's on my that's
Speaker 1: on my bucket list right now. I just I just
Speaker 1: started to TikTok man. So I'm gonna get out there
Speaker 1: and try to get out there and try it a
Speaker 1: little bit twist be doing that ship. I'm like, I'm six,
Speaker 1: they get out of here trying to get me to
Speaker 1: do that ship. I'm gonna giving a shot to watch.
Speaker 1: I'm a little crazy though. That's what's up? Quarantine? Quarantine?
Speaker 1: What you bits watching? Oh man? For me? Uh a
Speaker 1: few shows Netflix? Man, that all American show of course.
Speaker 1: That's been watching that too. That's dope Ozark, yes, and
Speaker 1: my and my other one is uh Narcos Mexico. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's crazy. No, that's that's insane right now. Man, I
Speaker 1: watched all that in the first two days it came out.
Speaker 1: I've been watching that. So I got to drop on
Speaker 1: Norcos because I worked with someone in another business that
Speaker 1: does the merch for Norcos. So Norcos is gonna start
Speaker 1: going around the world and kind of making it almost
Speaker 1: a franchise for the next Norcos is gonna be. I
Speaker 1: can't say it's gonna be so dope, but like get
Speaker 1: your mind that it's just Mexico. So they have it
Speaker 1: like Norcos or they want to like highlight just the
Speaker 1: biggest drug dealers in different parts of the world. The
Speaker 1: next one they got coming out is about to be cold.
Speaker 1: But hey, what a coincidence you have to drop on
Speaker 1: our codes I give us. I know trying, you're trying
Speaker 1: to be on set. I'm trying to see you see
Speaker 1: Quevo and them, got queto on them, got a spot
Speaker 1: And that's why I said, I said, definitely, bring me on.
Speaker 1: I definitely play a little role on I don't even
Speaker 1: like to act, but bring me on nor too. Man, Hey,
Speaker 1: Jack telling you gotta get us on set. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: got got the Amazon there. Last thing, quarantine snack. I
Speaker 1: know you like to stay in shape, but what's your
Speaker 1: what's your bench snack right now? Oh my goodness, man, dude,
Speaker 1: trust me, yeah we all do right now. Chocolate cookies. Man,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I made something other that listen, and
Speaker 1: they ought to be home made, homemade oh my good.
Speaker 1: Listen as soon as they get up, as soon as
Speaker 1: soon as they get out the oven. Oh man, I
Speaker 1: might eat a whole trade of them quite just kept
Speaker 1: before they go in the oven. Before they go in
Speaker 1: the oven, I have because to mind, man, they always
Speaker 1: a one. Jack sent me something dog I can microwaves.
Speaker 1: I got you, boy, I'll put him to the test.
Speaker 1: Last segment right here before we let you go, as
Speaker 1: Jack has a begging segment. So Jack, what you want
Speaker 1: to ask Rip for? What you want to beg for?
Speaker 1: My guy? Man? Uh, you know, I really wasn't prepared
Speaker 1: for begging segment today. I was just excided to talk
Speaker 1: to my brother, like I wanted to say again, you know,
Speaker 1: we had a man. Rip was real real close. Uh.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I be can't real close with a
Speaker 1: lot of his friends. Some of his friends with Coach
Speaker 1: Bill still be dm me from deming from time to time.
Speaker 1: But it was just good to actually get on get
Speaker 1: on the get on the on the show, Get you
Speaker 1: on the show, and they talked to you about the
Speaker 1: McDonald's games and stuff. Conversation that I always wanted to
Speaker 1: have with you, but I can't really wait to have you.
Speaker 1: It's on set so we can really dig deep into
Speaker 1: some things that you know that we both got in
Speaker 1: comment from our lives. Dope, dope, I wish I wishot.
Speaker 1: It came to the office in l A with y'all. Man,
Speaker 1: you say we're gonna get it. I got you, man, Jack.
Speaker 1: That's family. Now your family too though all the way
Speaker 1: one hunted. Thank you man, well Man, that's a rap.
Speaker 1: Special guest Rip Hamilton's on our episode today, Jack, hell
Speaker 1: of a show. We appreciate your time anytime, any time.
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