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Speaker 1: Welcome back to a special Quarantine edition. We got a

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to a special edition Quarantine edition. Man, we're

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Speaker 1: still here, man, of all the smoke. Jack's good out

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Speaker 1: there in Atlanta, My brethren, Man, what's up? My brother?

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Speaker 1: Walls closing in. But hey, if it wasn't for this show,

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Speaker 1: I would have been for all the hair that I

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Speaker 1: good now, I'm good now, I'm good. I don't recommend that,

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Speaker 1: bro You got a good leg right now with your

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Speaker 1: huge product for your beard. You gotta you gotta run

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Speaker 1: that ship man. You know what, Spectac yell air man,

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Speaker 1: I'm salting pebble devil. You know what bro. I was no,

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Speaker 1: I was leaning towards cutting it. But boys gonna line

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Speaker 1: him up and keep it rolling. Yeah, keep it moving.

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Speaker 1: You you're attracting that more you hit that more sophisticated

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Speaker 1: and ships about the beer. The beer kind of calms

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Speaker 1: me get my my ship right Yes, sir, boy product

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Speaker 1: placement you need to you can send you something you

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Speaker 1: need it. I got some pretty boy miss already. I

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Speaker 1: Nice shout out to you. Straight up, Hey man, we

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Speaker 1: got a special guest today, uh fourteen year NBA vet,

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Speaker 1: NBA my classmate, my class mate, Yeah ninety six, Mickey

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Speaker 1: D's all American, uh rip, Hamilton's welcome to the show,

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Speaker 1: my man, my brother. I kept asking myself what took

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Speaker 1: DMS like, bro, we need you, man, we need we

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Speaker 1: We're glad you're able to join us. Yeah, no problem,

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Speaker 1: happy to be here, y'all. Y'all killing it right now, man,

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Speaker 1: Just to let you know that much we appreciate it's

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Speaker 1: guess like you, man, we appreciate it. Yeah. I bother

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Speaker 1: but we see you real salt and peppered up right now.

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Speaker 1: Everything good over there, man, I'm going crazy like everybody

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go like Jack, Like I told you, man,

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Speaker 1: good situation at home. I saw that throwback real you post,

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Speaker 1: a smoker built in and everything. That's good man. It's

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Speaker 1: all purpose purpose everything. Absolutely this Hall of Fame two

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Speaker 1: guys were well deserving. Absolutely. Let's stay with Kobe though. Um,

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Speaker 1: I remember me all your home watching Coach mcdondad's game.

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Speaker 1: I think Stack got m VP of the game like

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Speaker 1: to cut you out, but you Kobe, you and Kobe

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Speaker 1: said it. I am happy I didn't win it. Remember

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Speaker 1: But but you said that, man, Kobe said it. I

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Speaker 1: when I found out my brother was superhuman. I was like, man, dude,

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Speaker 1: so definitely cheet those and bloods that's what he be eating.

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Speaker 1: the city don't really respect you, right, They're like, okay,

421
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,000
Speaker 1: you know they just suburb kid. Nah, bro, Like we

422
00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,000
Speaker 1: grew up the same way, but we just ain't from

423
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,760
Speaker 1: the city, so we had to go there and earn

424
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,000
Speaker 1: our respect each and every day. So it wasn't like

425
00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,920
Speaker 1: something was just given to us. Man, thank you for

426
00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,560
Speaker 1: sharing those stories. Man, we appreciate that. Obviously. Rest in

427
00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:28,000
Speaker 1: peace to Code everyone else lost in that in that

428
00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:32,840
Speaker 1: unfortunate situation. Let's transition into college, because you were one

429
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:34,920
Speaker 1: of the great college players of all time and kind

430
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,840
Speaker 1: of like the like the changing of the guard that

431
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,359
Speaker 1: you know, you're you're the run of your career. Then,

432
00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:42,960
Speaker 1: you know, maybe a handful of years after. I kind

433
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:46,679
Speaker 1: of felt like college basketball had lost his essence after that. Um,

434
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:51,640
Speaker 1: but you were nineteen national champion. You guys just had

435
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,800
Speaker 1: a twenty year reunion for that team. Correct talk to

436
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:58,720
Speaker 1: us about that. Uh. It was a great experience for

437
00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,440
Speaker 1: me because, like I said it, like we talked about Code.

438
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,520
Speaker 1: We used to always talk about college, but he was

439
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 1: always talking about the NBA, and I was like, man,

440
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,760
Speaker 1: I'm ready for that, you know. So I end up

441
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,200
Speaker 1: choosing to go to Yukon And it was great for

442
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 1: me because one that I got an opportunity to see

443
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,800
Speaker 1: big bro Ray Allen before me. Right, So when when

444
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 1: when I got to the University of Connecticut, you know,

445
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:21,480
Speaker 1: you know a lot of people see me, you know,

446
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 1: coming off pin downs and coming off screens and stuff

447
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,919
Speaker 1: like that. But that wasn't my game in high school.

448
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 1: That's that that wasn't who I was. And when I

449
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 1: first got there, Calhoun used to always tell me like,

450
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 1: hey man, you you're not a McDonald's all American. You're

451
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,159
Speaker 1: just a coacht field all American. Until you learn how

452
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 1: to use your teammates and understand where your teammates are

453
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 1: on the floor and where you know, uh, the point

454
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 1: guard is going to distribute the ball, how to use

455
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 1: guys as coming off pen downs and things like that,

456
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,639
Speaker 1: you will be a very simple player. Right. So he

457
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 1: forced me to go in there and watch Ray Allen

458
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 1: and watch a whole lot of film on him, just

459
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 1: understanding the concepts are coming off pin downs and things

460
00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,399
Speaker 1: like that. But during that time, the Big East was crazy.

461
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 1: I mean it was ridiculous. I mean, like AI. You know,

462
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,199
Speaker 1: before I got to get AI and Georgetown, you had

463
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 1: Carrie Kittles in Villanova, Yeah, you had Ray Allen, and

464
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:14,200
Speaker 1: Connecticut you had Town Wallace at Syracuse like like it

465
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,200
Speaker 1: was loaded. So at that time, it was like, in

466
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 1: my opinion, the most physical conference, you know, in college basketball.

467
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 1: And you know, I always looked at the Big East playing,

468
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 1: you know, playing on the biggest stage at Madison Square Guarden.

469
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 1: So I looked at all that and I always told myself,

470
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:30,880
Speaker 1: I never if I never got an opportunity to play

471
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,360
Speaker 1: in the NBA playing at the University of Connecticut, will

472
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,440
Speaker 1: be playing like on the professional team. Because there was

473
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 1: no professional teams in Connecticut. There was no professional you know,

474
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,640
Speaker 1: football teams or anything like that. So everything was all

475
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:47,199
Speaker 1: about men's and women's basketball. So you know, the one

476
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,360
Speaker 1: thing that I did was, you know, trust the process,

477
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,160
Speaker 1: trust Calhoun, and trust you know what all the guys

478
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 1: you know did before me, the Ray Allen's, the Dan

479
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,919
Speaker 1: Yelle Marshall's, you know, the Cliff Robinson's guys that did

480
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 1: it before me. And trust that, you know, Calhoun would

481
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 1: put me in the positions to get me to the

482
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,120
Speaker 1: next level. But you know, I had a great group

483
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 1: of guys. You know, I played with Collie Elaman, who

484
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 1: was probably one of the one of my favorite you know,

485
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 1: and basketball players of all time. You know, played with

486
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 1: Ricky Moore, Kevin Freeman and Jake Vosco. But dumb guys. Man. Look,

487
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 1: you know that's when you know money didn't really you know,

488
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 1: it was no egos, right, you know, money wasn't involved.

489
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 1: It was like we were just kids, man, were just

490
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,120
Speaker 1: like you know, we were just all about to grind, Like, hey,

491
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 1: you know what we want. We didn't like to lose.

492
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 1: We we wanted to win. And that year was a

493
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 1: very special year because the year before that we went

494
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 1: to the Elite Eight and we lost to a really

495
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 1: good team, uh at North Carolina who had Vince Carter,

496
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 1: Antoine Jamison you know, and yeah they had a mob

497
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 1: like and we played them in North Carolina. And I

498
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,120
Speaker 1: thought about leaving after my sophomore year, which I'm happy

499
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,640
Speaker 1: I did because I wasn't ready for that. But Calhoun

500
00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,639
Speaker 1: convinced me to come back. And the one thing that

501
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,159
Speaker 1: they all it's told me, it's like, hey, Rip, if

502
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 1: you come back to school for your junior year, you

503
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 1: have an opportunity to be the Michael Michael Jordan of

504
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 1: college basketball. And I'm like, Michael Jordan's college basketball, Like

505
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 1: what you mean? He was like, bro, like you know,

506
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 1: you got an opportunity to come back and not If

507
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 1: you leave your sophomore year, you'll be a top twenty pick.

508
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 1: If you come back your junior year, you'll be a

509
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 1: lottery pick. You got a opportunity to win the national championship.

510
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: You'll be fighting for for player to UH of the

511
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 1: Year uh. And you got an opportunity to be one

512
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: of the best scores that ever come through here. So

513
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,479
Speaker 1: after him stroking my ego for like thirty forty minutes,

514
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 1: he for saying that though he said saying that, yeah,

515
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 1: and all that ship and all that ship came true.

516
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 1: Though all of it came true. Man, You know it

517
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,640
Speaker 1: was crazy because Calhoun was a tough ass coach man.

518
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 1: Like you know, I had to I don't know if

519
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 1: you want to call it the luxury, but you know

520
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 1: I had a luxury of being around some tough ass

521
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 1: head coaches. Dudes that didn't that didn't you know, allow

522
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 1: you to take days off, you know what I'm saying,

523
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: Like you had to come in, you had to be

524
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: about about the grind. They would tell you fuck you

525
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,239
Speaker 1: to your face and like you ain't shipped to your

526
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 1: face like you know, I mean, what no kiss asked

527
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: like I didn't have kids ass coaches like I had

528
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 1: coaches that was like, hey, bro, like, I'm gonna believe

529
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 1: in you more than you believe in yourself, but I'm

530
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: gonna push you to get you to where you want

531
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: to get to. And you know, I'm happy I listened

532
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: to him because we won a national championship and I

533
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: got the opportunity to play in the NBA. That's that

534
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 1: old school love, that old school tough love. You and

535
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 1: Kalid l Am I played with him in and we

536
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 1: both was rookie at the same time. We played in

537
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 1: the Rookie All Star Game together and that was my

538
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: guy too. I really loved playing with him. I used

539
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 1: to call him. I used to call him with the

540
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 1: five two point guard, knowing he was he wasn't really

541
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,439
Speaker 1: five too. Though he wasn't really five two. I used

542
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 1: to always called I always always say it was five

543
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: to call him five too. But tell me about your

544
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 1: relationship with I can't even say his name, Kylie Elmin.

545
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 1: Tell me about your relationship. He was no. Kylie was

546
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: a tough cookie man. I mean shouts out to Kylie

547
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: in man. People forget Collid was Mr Basketball and in Minnesota.

548
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 1: I mean, he was probably the number one point guard

549
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: in his class coming out that year. But when he

550
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: came to Connecticut, man, he gave us a sense of

551
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: confidence and a sense of cockiness all in the same sentence,

552
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: right because Calhoun had you know, he was you know,

553
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: pretty much blinders on, you know, straightforward, you know, very structured,

554
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: very serious at all time. And Collie it was collid.

555
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: He was silly, he was fun Like when coach said, hey,

556
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 1: you know what this picture day to day everybody got

557
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: to wear suits and ties. Colleague came in with a

558
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 1: button up T shirt, I mean a button up shirt

559
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: with no t you know. So he you know, he

560
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: was he was the guy that came on the bus,

561
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 1: you know. And Yale this screaming was like hey, coach,

562
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: call when you're ready or what you know, when coach

563
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 1: was very like, hey man, everybody on the bus gotta

564
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: be quiet because you know, you gotta stay focused. But

565
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 1: he was probably one of, you know, the toughest point

566
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 1: guards UH ever played with, and his confidence level was

567
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: was crazy. Colleague can go one for fifteen, but he's

568
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: in the last three minutes of the game. He still

569
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 1: wonted the rock and you know, you never looked at

570
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 1: him in his eyes. Very similar to a guy that

571
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: I played with, Chauncey Billups that regard inside. Chauncey shot

572
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: the ball when he came to the last couple of

573
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 1: minutes of the game, he's still he's you can you

574
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 1: you can count on him. And College always loved the

575
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 1: the the big the big moments. Uh, you know, we

576
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: felt like we were the best badcourt in college basketball.

577
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: Like we walked with that, like you know, it wasn't

578
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: something that we we shied away from, Like you know,

579
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: you put the camera in front of us, We're gonna

580
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: tell you, you know, because we were always underdogs, like

581
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: nobody really believed in us. Nobody believed that, you know,

582
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: we're gon we can win a national championship. When Duke

583
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: had Shane Battyer Elton Brand, Corey mcgetty, you know, Trajan

584
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: langdon you know, they had four or five guys you

585
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: know in the first round, so you know, in our

586
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: mind it was against all odds, you know what I'm saying.

587
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: But but College was definitely one of the most confident

588
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: players that I ever played with. Like I loved him

589
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: on and off the court. You know what I'm saying,

590
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: I think he you know, he's on his off the

591
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: course situation sometimes didn't help his on the course situation.

592
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: You know, that's my guy. Got a crazy story. We're

593
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: in the Rookie All Star Game. Uh in two thousand,

594
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,959
Speaker 1: two thousand and one. We're in the Rookie All Star Game, right,

595
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: So we all on the same floor. They got all

596
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: the rookies on the same floor. So it's and I

597
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: think I think that the sophomores was on the same

598
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: floor too, So it's just it's my room is college room.

599
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: Were next door to each other, l o is across

600
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: from us and next door to llo is um Darius Miles.

601
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: We didn't get we didn't popped, all out doors open,

602
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: were passing blunts through the hallway to each other when

603
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: our doors open, and we all had no plans on

604
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: even thinking about what we were doing. Bro. We was

605
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: at All Star. We were all happy to be there.

606
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: We're all damn never you know, to find all kinds

607
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: of odds. Bro. And I remember I remember me and

608
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: him being right next door, and I remember walking next door.

609
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: We passed and blessed each other at All Star in

610
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: the All Star NBA Hotel. But I'm like, man, that

611
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: was one of the best times in my life. Bro.

612
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: College if you know he is what it is like,

613
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: Like Jack, I can tell you a funny story, man,

614
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 1: after we won the national championship and this is before

615
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 1: the social media era that you know, nobody really knew

616
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: or talked about. But we just won the national championship, right,

617
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 1: So we're going to uh So we're on campus and

618
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: college comes up to me. It's like, a rip, Let's

619
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: go to Hartford right to get some gear because that's

620
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: where all the hip hop you know, you get all

621
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: your hip hop clothes and get fresh. He was like, Yo,

622
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: my man, got a store there, you know, Let's go

623
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: down there and get some clothes. I'm like, all right, cool,

624
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: you know, so we go to the store and get

625
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: some gear whatever whatever. Right, So we get back in

626
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: the car. Now we on our way back to campus.

627
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: So College like, oh man, you know what, man, rip,

628
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: let's ride through the hood. You know what I'm saying

629
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: from from the people, right. So I'm like I'm like, hey,

630
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: let's just get back. Let's get back to the camp.

631
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: He's like, no, let's just ride through real quick. I'm like,

632
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: a cool, let's do it. So we're riding through the neighborhood.

633
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, You know, everybody in the

634
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: neighborhood giving us love whatever, whatever, high fi and whatever whatever.

635
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: So we stopped by this little project, you know what

636
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: I'm saying over there, right in a couple of homies

637
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: you know in the neighborhood, you know, New k and

638
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: they was like, yo, what's up man, congratulations, No, just

639
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: give him love, right, shaking hands, snapping up whatever whatever. Right,

640
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: So we're in the car and one dude comes over

641
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: and he says a k uh huh man, you know

642
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, and and reaches in the car and

643
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: acts like he given him that. But then he pulls

644
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: his hand back right, and then the homie was like, hey,

645
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: you know what, just give it to him. Man, him

646
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: dudes one of the national championship And I don't know

647
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: what the hell is that, you know what I'm saying, like,

648
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: just give it to him whatever whatever. Right. So then

649
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: Ka was like, no, I'm cool whatever whatever. Homies like, no,

650
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: give it to him. Boom, game of high five, you

651
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And it was two dimebags of weed, right, Kate.

652
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: He takes it right, K take it right, put it

653
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: in his pocket. Boom right. So now we're in the car, right,

654
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: So we sped off. I mean we're going thirty miles

655
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: an hour. As soon as we hit the corner, bro,

656
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: the sirens go off. Police police come out on foot

657
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: sprinting stop down, they ran, they ran stop sign and

658
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: they've been speeding or whatever that. I'm like, bro, we

659
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: ain't even speed, Like what the hell going on? Like

660
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Once I see police, I'm shook, right.

661
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: So then K like, oh man, like damn, like you

662
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: know what I mean, I got this on me Like

663
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean. We we got college

664
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: kids at this time. You know, marijuana was a big

665
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: thing back then. Like like so the cop come out right,

666
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: so he like he's put his one cop come take

667
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: me and put me in the cop car. They take

668
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: him and put him in the cop car. I'm like, yo,

669
00:32:58,360 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: what what the hell is going on? So the cop

670
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: car I'm in, the police is like man, rip, like

671
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: why why are y'all here? And I'm like, bro, we

672
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: just came here to get some clothes, like you know

673
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like you know, we just had a

674
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: cruise around. Never He's like, bro, you know, we've been

675
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: having a sting operation on this project for the last

676
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: four months. I'm like, so then I'm like, damn. He's like,

677
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: y'all shouldn't be out here. Y'all shouldn't be out here.

678
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: So now I'm looking through the police police uh. And

679
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: I'm in the back seat. I'm looking through the police window.

680
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: So they pulled kindle it out the cart first, but

681
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: they separated, and I know what pocket he put the

682
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: diamond bags in, and I'm like, bro, like, please don't

683
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: go in the pocket right first thing they did. So

684
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: they had some mean ass cameras. Man, I don't know

685
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: where the where the hell they got this camera. The

686
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: first place they checked was inside his sweatsup pocket. He

687
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: going to sweatsup pocket, bomb pulls it out. I don't

688
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: see what was being saying because I just see a

689
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,479
Speaker 1: whole lot of hands because I'm in there. They put

690
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: him in the car. They pulled me out. It was like,

691
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: what the hell you got in your pocket? I'm like, bro,

692
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: I ain't got nothing. They packed me down whatever, whatever,

693
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: they check, they check the car, whatever, whatever, and then

694
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: they take him right to the police station. So I'm like, yo, like,

695
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: what's what's going on? You know, because I'm acting dumb.

696
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:13,879
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, what's going on? He was like, oh, man,

697
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: he had marijuana on him. He's going to jail. So

698
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, well, like yo, like like what about me?

699
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,879
Speaker 1: They was like, oh, were you off? Like but he's

700
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:24,919
Speaker 1: going to jail. And I'm like, bro, like like where

701
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,439
Speaker 1: we just want a national championship, like like like y'all,

702
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: y'all can't let us off like and he like he

703
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 1: like hell nah, like in a police I mean, everybody

704
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: in the neighborhood out like, yo, let them kids go.

705
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: Let them kids go. So you know, I'm an hour

706
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 1: from campus, man, and I'm like, yo, all right, man,

707
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: can you just give me the keys so I can

708
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 1: drive back to the to to to the campus. They're like,

709
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: hell no, but we can give you a ride to

710
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: the police station. I said, you know what, I walked

711
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 1: back to campus man, And I walked. I walked out

712
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 1: of mind when somebody came and getting picked up, you know,

713
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: just before the cell phone here somebody get ride back

714
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: to the campus. So that was It's a crazy situation

715
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: because Kyle school his sophomore year. That was the same

716
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: year that I left, you know what I'm saying, But

717
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: he was going to leave that year, but he ended

718
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: up coming back for his junior year. Damn because of

719
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: that situation. So nineteen nine, you're the seventh pick of

720
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: the Washington Wizards. Talked to us about that experience. That

721
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: was the hell of a draft class man that was.

722
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 1: But that was Elton Brand, Baron Davis, Steve Francis, l

723
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 1: O Genoble was a second round pick, j Ron Ron Yes,

724
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:40,280
Speaker 1: Sean Marion Genoble. Yeah, it was big. Carolinko. Man, listen

725
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: that that draft year was busy. I mean it was crazy,

726
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: and you know I can remember especially, uh the night

727
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: before the draft and my man b D b D

728
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 1: He came in my room and he was like, yo, man,

729
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: you're going to to to to the Wizards. I'm like,

730
00:35:54,960 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: how you know He's like everything? Yeah, man, he was

731
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: like he was like, man, I know where you know,

732
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: I'm going to Charlotte. Steve frances Is gonna get, you know,

733
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: drafted by Vancouver. Like like, I'm like, bro, how do

734
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: you know? He's like my agent told me. I said, man,

735
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: you you gotta be kidding. I started looking at my

736
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: agent wrong crazy because after the draft I end up

737
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: firing my agent because of the information that bear that

738
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: Bear Day has had in my and my agent. At

739
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: the time, I was thinking, like, man, why don't you

740
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: know this man? Like how someone how's he coming to

741
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: tell tell tell me that that that class was mean? Man.

742
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 1: I mean if you look at the guys that we

743
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: had in there, you talk about elm Brand who has

744
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: who had a great career, Steve Francis, who was like

745
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: all world at the time, took the world by storm,

746
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: frances to the league by storm problem and that and

747
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 1: that's the guy that we don't talk about a lot.

748
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 1: Steve frances was. Nobody wanted to guard him. Nobody wanted

749
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: to nobody, you know they you know they had that

750
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 1: one thing called one shake to shape three shake in Houston,

751
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 1: yea with him and contin Coatino and uh Mouchie Norris

752
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: like you didn't want to get caught on that blender.

753
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 1: But d D and you know l O and you

754
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: know we had you know Ron Ron and uh, I

755
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: mean you got to think about Genobley was the second

756
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: round pick, like second round pick, like which was crazy,

757
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: but you know, we we we had one of the

758
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: best class in my in my opinion, But were some

759
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: of your events with the Wizards that year? Oh man,

760
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 1: my man, you know my vet was Rod Strickler Man. Yeah, Strict,

761
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: Strict was my dude man like. He he took me

762
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: underneath his wing man like like an O g should

763
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 1: man like. You know, he gave me and Laurn profit

764
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 1: was the Rooks at the time, and he made sure

765
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: we were straight. You know, he gives us his car.

766
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. If you know we go out.

767
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: Everything was on him until one day Laurn Prophet put

768
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:59,720
Speaker 1: diesel fuel in his Mercedes bad and Strict was piste

769
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: off be And you know we're kids from the neighborhood.

770
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: We didn't know what type of gas and a Mercedes

771
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:13,800
Speaker 1: so proper diesel few so so so Strict Strick was

772
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,479
Speaker 1: piste off at him. But Strict was my guy. Because

773
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: the thing about it and you and both of you

774
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 1: guys noticed, once you first come to league, especially when

775
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: you come on a veteran team, you know, they expect

776
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: you to just fall in line when you get there, right,

777
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: They don't expect you to be alpha in the locker room.

778
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,879
Speaker 1: You can't go into a veteran locker room and saying,

779
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 1: all right, you know what, I'm going out there and

780
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: play my game, the same game that I was playing

781
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 1: in college. Like like no, like like they didn't give

782
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: a guy, Damn I won the national championship. There was

783
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: like that national championship ship. That ship don't mean over here,

784
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So it was guys on

785
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: the team that would be like, hey, man, you know,

786
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: rip you out there, you know, shooting the ball too much.

787
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: And you know, I took a page out of my

788
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 1: man Kobe Bryant because before I, you know, announced that

789
00:38:58,360 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 1: I was going to leave me and we're talking to

790
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: on and I said, hey, give me one piece of

791
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: advice that helped you when you when you came to

792
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,320
Speaker 1: the NBA. He was like, when you come, you hit first.

793
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: I don't give a fun on your team. He was like, man,

794
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 1: you come in if your game is to score, you

795
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: go out there and score. You know what I'm saying, Like,

796
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: because if you if you come in and you start

797
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: trying to fall in line and you start just you

798
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 1: know what I mean, just going out there and just

799
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: being a regular role player, You're gonna be a role

800
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: player your whole entire career sounds like. I was like, damn,

801
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: all right. Cool. So my mentality was coming in like

802
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: all right, you know what, ship, I've been a score

803
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: of my whole entire life. I'm coming out there and

804
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 1: putting that ball up. So a couple of dudes would

805
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 1: get piste off on the team, Man, why is he shooting?

806
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: Don't you know you can't shoot the ball? Whatever? Whatever.

807
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: So one time I was like, man, then I ain't

808
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: gonna shoot this one game. So I come in the game.

809
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 1: Strict passed me the ball and I passed the back

810
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: to him. So after at halftime he came to me, like,

811
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: shoot the fucking ball. I said, Strict, there's some dudes

812
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: on the team that you know told me you know,

813
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: fall in line. You know what I'm saying, You can't

814
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: shoot right. So he was like, look real, telling no

815
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 1: motherfucker's you know, if they got a problem with you shooting,

816
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: come hollier at me, say no more, bro, you know

817
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I said to the team, I said, Yo,

818
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: if anybody got a problem when me shooting the ball,

819
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: talked to my big little homie back here, yea, bro,

820
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I haven't had a problems,

821
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: haven't had a problem since you know what I'm saying.

822
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: So that that's my dude right there. Strick always said, man,

823
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: he was like, how the hell am I gonna get

824
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 1: assist if you always passing the ball? You know? So

825
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: that was my dude. That really took me under my

826
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 1: wing and it really showed me the way. Tell me

827
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: your rookie year. Who was the one matchup the guy

828
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 1: that you were like in all and that actually busted

829
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 1: your ass. Oh that busted that I was at all

830
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 1: at first. Yeah, like damn, I'm finally playing so so

831
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 1: and they just went to work. Oh my goodness. Uh.

832
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 1: I would have to say Alan Houston, man, forget how

833
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: co Alan Houston was, man, man lit this can be too. Hey,

834
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: Alan Houston was a problem man, you know what I'm saying,

835
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: And especially you know when he was in when he

836
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 1: was in New York, when they had him and Freeway

837
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: on the wing, because you know, you know, when you

838
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 1: got both two, when you got two elite scores on

839
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: the wing, you can't hide, like you can't you can't

840
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: hide because you know at certain games you can go

841
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: in and be like, all right, you know what I'm

842
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 1: going against you know, all right, Miami, and I gotta guard.

843
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna gainst the weight, but you know

844
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 1: I can You know, Miami didn't have to elite scores,

845
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying that that d Wade and

846
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 1: then they had posed but Post was in there to

847
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: guard the other team's best player, right, So so so

848
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: you can take you can on on on the defense,

849
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 1: and you can take plays off because you ain't gotta

850
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: worry about this dude just coming the time, you know. So,

851
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 1: so when playing against the Knicks, you had Spree and

852
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: you got Alan and they had oh they had a

853
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: play where it was called turn to remember turn three.

854
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: R were done, but put you on the block. So

855
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: them dudes, man like that first year, either Alan Houston

856
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: had fourteen points in the first quarter or I had

857
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: two fouls in the first two minutes and I was

858
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,919
Speaker 1: sitting for the rest of the quarter. So that dude

859
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,919
Speaker 1: right there, I couldn't guard him because I couldn't speed

860
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: him up. And if anybody knows Alan Houston, he doesn't talk.

861
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You can't speed him up.

862
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,240
Speaker 1: He's playing at his own pace. You can't talk trash

863
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 1: and get him out of his game. And that dude

864
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: used to murder me night in and night out every time.

865
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: That's funny as hell. And you you, uh, you average

866
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 1: nine points your rookie year, then you bounced from nine

867
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: to eighteen. You're your second year. What was that process? Like?

868
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: It was cool? Man, It was fun because one first

869
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: year was hard because you come from a winning situation

870
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: and Yukon and you're playing all the minutes and in

871
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,879
Speaker 1: the offense is pretty much based around you. The second

872
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: year I came in, I'm like, right, you know what,

873
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 1: you know, we're still young. You know, I'm still playing. Uh.

874
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: I think at the time. I think Mitch Richmond was

875
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: still there at the time because I was playing behind

876
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: Mitch and Mr just signed a big deal, so I

877
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 1: had to fall in line, you know, which is a

878
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer, Like, you know, ain't know, I can't

879
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,439
Speaker 1: beat you know, at that time, I wasn't gonna beat

880
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 1: him out at that position. But that year, guys got hurt.

881
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: And you know, one thing about playing on a bad team, right,

882
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: if you're a young guy, you're gonna get a lot

883
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 1: of minutes in the second half of the season. Like

884
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna get You're gonna get a lot of minutes.

885
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: So the second half of the season, even though we

886
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: wasn't looking you know, one the team that wasn't going

887
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,479
Speaker 1: to make the playoffs, they were playing all the young guys,

888
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: so Me, Laron profit Calvin Booth, they were starting to

889
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: play us more. You know. I went from playing you know,

890
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: only like ten eleven minutes of game to now playing

891
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: thirty minutes of game. And once you once you do

892
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: that with me, I ain't never looking back, bro Like,

893
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: like I ain't I ain't taking my foot off, foot

894
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: off the gas. And I think in that second half

895
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: of my second year, I probably I think I averaged

896
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: like close to like thirty something points a game. So

897
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: my scoring average just shot up, you know. And that's

898
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 1: when I was like, yo, I'm here, man, I'm ready,

899
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: Like I don't need to take no back seat to nobody,

900
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 1: you know, I just need I just need. I just

901
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,399
Speaker 1: need an opportunity. And and that was my opportunity there

902
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: in Washington, especially going into my my after my first year.

903
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: So you have a you know, obviously make your mark.

904
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: You feel like even ribbed your second year, your third year,

905
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 1: MJ comes back, tell me about him coming back first

906
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: and foremost, and then the second part of the questions

907
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: is do you feel like that's stunted where obviously your

908
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,879
Speaker 1: process and your growth at the time, Man, m J. Man,

909
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 1: that was awesome for my career. You know, I always

910
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 1: used to hear a lot of people talk about, Okay,

911
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: MJ coming back to a young, young uh, a young team,

912
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: and it's gonna stund a lot of their guards, you know,

913
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: growth because at the time, you know, it was me

914
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 1: Lron prophet and was a guy Courtney Alexander who was man.

915
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 1: He was he was a problem too. He was a

916
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: guy that played on the wing with me that you know,

917
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 1: we both that during that second half of the year

918
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 1: in Washington after my second year, we both average you know,

919
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 1: close to thirty points of game, you know. But when

920
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: m J came man, it was it was the goat man.

921
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: That's that's that's gold status man as a two guard

922
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: coming up and Mike, you know, being your idol growing up,

923
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: and now you got an opportunity to lock it up

924
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 1: with him and and and learn and and and get

925
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 1: as much information off of him as possible, because even

926
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: my second year he used to come down and practice

927
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 1: with us all the time, right, but he didn't you know,

928
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 1: every now and they had come in and you know,

929
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 1: work out what It's kind of similar what he did

930
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: with y'all when he was on the bodycat Jack. You know,

931
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: he come down and work out with us and me

932
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: and PROV used to play with him all the time.

933
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: We used to talk trash to m J all the time,

934
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: but it was only certain things that I would say

935
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: and you know, profit with sometimes you know, say a

936
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,240
Speaker 1: little bit of extra stuff that I would I wouldn't

937
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 1: go there. And I remember one time we were playing

938
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: in practice, right and Prof you know, might have hit

939
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: a shot on m J. And he was like running

940
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 1: down court, Yeah, you can't guard me with them old

941
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: ass knees. And I'm like, oh, stop, time out, time out.

942
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: I was like, oh nah, you don't. You don't. You

943
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 1: don't say that to the goat. MJ was heated. I

944
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: mean he was heated to the point that when I

945
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 1: went to my exit meeting, uh, because you know he

946
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 1: was he was the president at the time. I went

947
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 1: to my exit meeting, he was like, Okay, Rip, you

948
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: know your man, your buddy, you know what I'm saying.

949
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 1: Because he end up training prof that that that he

950
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 1: was like, oh yeah, man, he was like, oh yeah,

951
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: he ain't gonna he out of here, he said, but

952
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: you wanna be there body. You're gonna be there body yourself,

953
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:43,800
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And you ain't gonna have

954
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 1: your buddy to to co sign and you know you're

955
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 1: gonna be on the island by yourself. Like Man, I

956
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: was like, m I don't want no problems, bro, I

957
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 1: don't want no problems at all. I'm your teammate, man,

958
00:46:56,360 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 1: But I know that telling that trading my ass too

959
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: right after we got this. You gotta be careful, you

960
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 1: gotta be careful. But when m J came, man, I

961
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 1: just thought it was a blessing and and uh for

962
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: for me as a basketball player, you know, because I

963
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: was able to learn so much off of him. Uh

964
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 1: you know it too. It took my game to a

965
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 1: whole new other level, especially even playing with him, because

966
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: you gotta remember, when you're playing with Michael Jordan's, all

967
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: the focus is going to be on Michael Jordan's. I mean,

968
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 1: traveling with MJ's like traveling with the Beatles back in

969
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,800
Speaker 1: the day. Right, So when when playing with him, the

970
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 1: one thing that I learned with playing with Mike was

971
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: remember you know, back in the day, they used to

972
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 1: call it floppy, right, you know when two guys come

973
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: down and the two biggs come down and we run

974
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: them off screens. So I was like, man, screw my bigs.

975
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna run off m J. Why because every

976
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,399
Speaker 1: time I run off m J, you know what I'm saying,

977
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: my man gonna go to him and his man ain't

978
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 1: gonna be right. So I would get wide open every time,

979
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: and m J would come to me after the game

980
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 1: and be like, hey, Rip, I see what you're doing

981
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: out there. I see what you're doing out there. I'm like, yeah,

982
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: what am I? What am I? What am I supposed

983
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 1: to do? Man? Like ship you the goat like you know.

984
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: So he was he was very He was very helpful

985
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 1: for for for my career when when I was in Washington.

986
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:27,399
Speaker 1: And another crazy story is that we just talked about

987
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 1: Alan Houston. Right, So Alan Houston was killing me, like

988
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: like I said, he killed me in my first two years, right.

989
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: So when m J came third year, now I feel

990
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: like I'm growing up, you know, I Mean I grew

991
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: some hair on my chest, like I've been through the

992
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: war and the battle was a little bit so, you know,

993
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,479
Speaker 1: and I got Big Bro, like I got the bully

994
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: in the room, right, so you know, I'm a little

995
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: bit more confident. So we're playing against New York. We're

996
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: playing against New York and Washington, and first half I

997
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: go out and I give Alan Houston thirty in the

998
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 1: first half, right, So like like I'm geek. I'm like, Okay,

999
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: for all the times this motherfucker's been killing me and

1000
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: get me in foul trouble, I'm in. I'm in his

1001
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: ass right now, right, you know what I mean. So

1002
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 1: we were in there at halftime, you know, we're talking,

1003
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 1: coach talks, does his speech. MJ come up to me.

1004
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: He was like, hey, man, hey, young fella. You know

1005
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 1: you had you had a great half, you know, but

1006
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: Big Bro gonna take over the second half, so don't

1007
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 1: worry about it. I got over second half right at

1008
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 1: the end of the game, man, in that second half,

1009
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:39,760
Speaker 1: I only had two shots. In the second I had thirty.

1010
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 1: I think I might have ended with like thirty two,

1011
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I was like I was

1012
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: at the end of the game. I was like, damn, man,

1013
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 1: this was my perfect opportunity to kill this dude. This

1014
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 1: dude killed me my first two years. Like you know

1015
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Now, I got you on myself. He

1016
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 1: was like, a man, don't worry about it. Man, you'll

1017
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: get another opportunity at that. But as a young kid,

1018
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 1: you don't think that you're gonna get another opportunity. That

1019
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: was your time. But but Big Bro was like he

1020
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: tapped me on the should. I was like, hey man,

1021
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,320
Speaker 1: you didn't know. I was like, in my mind, I

1022
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: was like, hey nah. But he was like, you know

1023
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: that the second half he took over, might have scored

1024
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: twenty six and a second half and we end up

1025
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 1: winning the game. But that that all that story always

1026
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: sticks to me because that was my opportunity to go

1027
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: out and get fifty. That's funny, especially on someone has

1028
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 1: been lighting your gas lighting my ass up. Yes, two

1029
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: thousand and two year traded UH to Detroit for Stackhouse

1030
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: six player trade and that's some of They also signed

1031
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: Chauncey Billups. So being able to be prepairing with chunce

1032
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: what's kind of the beginning of something specially they're talking

1033
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: to us about that. Shout out big shot oh Man yeah,

1034
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:44,800
Speaker 1: shout out, big shot. You know what, when I was

1035
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 1: in Washington, me right when I got traded, Uh, you know,

1036
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 1: I was real close with Tyler, right, Tyler was my guy. Right,

1037
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: So t Lou already had a relationship with Chauncey and he,

1038
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 1: you know, he prepped me before I went out to

1039
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: Detroit and he was like, hey, man, you're really gonna

1040
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: like Chauncey. And he's very similar to myself, really down

1041
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 1: to earth, real cool dude, you know, real thorough brother man,

1042
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: no ego, you know what I mean. Ain't on the bullshit,

1043
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because you know, playing in

1044
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:11,720
Speaker 1: this league, you know you got a lot of players

1045
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 1: that bullshit man like, like you know, they always you know,

1046
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 1: sneak this in hating everything else that comes with, you know,

1047
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:21,800
Speaker 1: being a professional athlete. But he was like, now you

1048
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 1: gonna love him. He like he's the mayor, Like he

1049
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: the best dude. He really they come, Oh my goodness.

1050
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: So I was like bad. So first when I got

1051
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,399
Speaker 1: traded to Detroit, I was like, you know, the first

1052
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,760
Speaker 1: thing I asked my age and I was like, who'd

1053
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 1: I get traded for? And he was like Jerry Stackhouse.

1054
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 1: I was like oh snap, like Stack like Ships that

1055
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: was just the NBA's league scored like like they like

1056
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: Detroit gave up on him, like like I mean like

1057
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 1: I'm still a young pup, still trying to figure it out,

1058
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 1: Like I'm still trying to figure out my game, still

1059
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 1: trying to make a name for myself. So when they

1060
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 1: traded for it for Stack, I was like, damn, they

1061
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 1: must really want you rip, like, you know, go back

1062
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 1: to what Cold told me. And you know when I

1063
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 1: first got to the league, you know, come in hit first, man,

1064
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: like come in there and just be you. You know

1065
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 1: what I mean. Don't change change your don't change the

1066
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: way you play. And then I reached out to Chauncey

1067
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: me and him started talking you know what I'm saying,

1068
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 1: which was great. We got on on the same page

1069
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,760
Speaker 1: right from the jump. He was he was very similar

1070
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 1: to myself. And then Ben Wallace he already set the

1071
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: foundation right like like he already set the foundation on

1072
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: what we was about, hard nosed, grid grind, you know

1073
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, you know, we was gonna come

1074
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 1: to work each and every day, you know, And I

1075
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 1: was like, Damn, we got some real lass dudes, like

1076
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:48,240
Speaker 1: real dudes, you know what I'm saying. On one team,

1077
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 1: you know that that that doesn't that that that don't

1078
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 1: always happen. You know. You know, you might have one

1079
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: guy that you funk with or two guys you funk

1080
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 1: with on the team, but when the whole team is

1081
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: about that teams there was a special ones yes, so

1082
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 1: that getting getting an opportunity to go there. You know,

1083
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 1: you already had guys on that team that that was

1084
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: committed to winning, and it wasn't about them, you know

1085
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: what I mean. It was about the team. Like, Okay,

1086
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 1: you know, I'm you know big, Our big thing was

1087
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: I I am my brother's keeper, like you know, like, uh,

1088
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 1: that's my bro. You know what I'm saying. I love you,

1089
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And I'm gonna have your

1090
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: back through thick and thin, and you're gonna have mine.

1091
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 1: So you know, it was just it was it was

1092
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: something very special that uh Joe Dumars put together with

1093
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 1: that team, you know, and and then adding Rashid and

1094
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 1: once once, once, once Rashid came, it was game over.

1095
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 1: I mean it was it was nothing that you can do.

1096
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 1: I mean, like I didn't give a damn who you

1097
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 1: was because during that time, during that era, was like ship.

1098
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: Anytime you played against the Lakers, it was always like damn, man,

1099
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 1: I gotta go against you know, Shock's big gass in there.

1100
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: And then Cob he going. Only thing he wanted to

1101
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 1: do is overplay everything and force you in there to

1102
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: ship because they got you know, that's a security blanket,

1103
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 1: so he can overplay you on everything to funnel you

1104
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 1: into the big fella and then were and then Shackul

1105
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 1: put you on your ass too if you start doing

1106
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 1: too well. Yes, yes, so that team was ridiculous. But

1107
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:22,359
Speaker 1: once she came and I can remember throwing the ball

1108
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 1: to him in the post and I cut off of

1109
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: him and he passed me the ball and I laid

1110
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:30,240
Speaker 1: it up. And at the time, you know, in my opinion,

1111
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: I think she, you know, top three power forward in

1112
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 1: the game at that time, by far, by far, you

1113
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And you had the best, You

1114
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 1: had the best power forward game, you know. Yet see

1115
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:46,879
Speaker 1: Wheb you had me die, you know what I'm saying.

1116
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 1: You had dirt Navinski, you had like like come on,

1117
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 1: she was a killer inside out, inside out. Man, I'm

1118
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 1: taking foxhole all day long. And I and I threw

1119
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: the ball to him because me and Challenge used to

1120
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: always say to Joe like, hey, you know what, we

1121
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 1: need somebody. You know, we got the permit on a lot,

1122
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: you know, I mean that was just our mentality at

1123
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 1: the time. You know what I'm saying, But we need

1124
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 1: a big that can force the double team. You know

1125
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, because every time we're coming off the

1126
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: you know, chance is coming off the pick and roll

1127
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 1: teams were blessing. When I come off a pen down

1128
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 1: team's gonna bless me coming off she you can't bless

1129
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:27,479
Speaker 1: You can't track because if you do that, she's gonna

1130
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 1: make your ass pay. You know what I'm saying. But

1131
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 1: you know she was a guy that forced the double

1132
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 1: team for us, right, We needed somebody to force the

1133
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 1: double team. So when I threw the ball and to him,

1134
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 1: not cut off him. He gave me the ball back.

1135
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, ship like, you can score on this dude, anytime.

1136
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:43,320
Speaker 1: Next player, I come down and throw it to him again.

1137
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 1: He said, Rip, do the same, ship Man, run off

1138
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: of me again. Boom it gets to him again. And

1139
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: right then and there and said I said to myself,

1140
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 1: oh bro, we're gonna win the championship because this guy

1141
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 1: right now can score on anybody, right and he's so

1142
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 1: unselfish that he's saying, all right, you know what, fuck

1143
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: my individual ship, you know what I'm saying, like, it's

1144
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 1: all about the team. I'm gonna do with everything possible

1145
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:08,399
Speaker 1: for us to get get this team over the hump,

1146
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 1: and bro, he's still to this day one of the

1147
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 1: most unselfish and one of my favorite teammates of all time.

1148
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: You got, you got. You gotta think about it. Though

1149
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: y'all had point guard. You had one of the best,

1150
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: one of the most clutched, solid point guards ever playing

1151
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 1: the NBA. Chance to buildings at two guards. You had

1152
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: to guard one of the best two guards. Grab your

1153
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 1: motherfucking arms, scratching with his nails, come off, the motherfucking

1154
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 1: pinned down. Your motherfucker was so he was so for

1155
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 1: how skinny, he was so physical and like a little

1156
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:47,320
Speaker 1: fucking fearious ass dog when you would touch him. And

1157
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:48,879
Speaker 1: then you had on top that you had to chase

1158
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 1: his ass around, big ass picks, around Wallace, around Wallace,

1159
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 1: around Jason Max Siell like you had big gass screen

1160
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 1: setters too. It was a motherfucker the guard Rip man

1161
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: El Campbell, all them big motherfucker's. Then you had Sheet

1162
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: at the four. You had you had the best power

1163
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 1: forwards ever you had. It was a six and three

1164
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:14,280
Speaker 1: guard that can play all three positions, all four positions,

1165
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 1: can pack, you can do all. Then you finished with

1166
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 1: Ben Wadder's defensive player leg y'all had. Y'all had the

1167
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: perfect one, two, three, four or five in the league. Like,

1168
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: that's one of the best lineups as the starting five

1169
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 1: ever in the NBA. Bro Yo, man, I'm telling you

1170
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 1: like that that that lineup was great, even Tayshawny. You know,

1171
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 1: there's a lot of sacrifices that that that tayshawn you

1172
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 1: know did from an offensive standpoint. We all know how

1173
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 1: greatly was defensively, but offensively, man, he couldn't get cold

1174
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 1: in this league if he wanted to know. But that's

1175
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 1: what that that that's not what our team you know needed.

1176
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 1: Uh So me running around like crazy man, like I couldn't,

1177
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 1: you know, get into a physical grudge match with y'all dudes,

1178
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 1: Like some dudes would eat me up, Like you know

1179
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You know, Jack play against ryn artists.

1180
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 1: Mother elbow, you grab you and everything. So my air

1181
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: was like it's similar to you guys, was you had

1182
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: to hit first, like if you allowed it, if you

1183
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 1: allowed the defense to hit you first, then ship, they're

1184
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 1: gonna be able to throw me around like a puppet.

1185
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 1: So I had to use my guy giving gift and

1186
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 1: that was my endurance and my speed. So I run

1187
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 1: off screens. I would grab the ship out of y'all.

1188
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 1: Like Matt said, I'll put I would put my nails

1189
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 1: in you. You know what I would. I wouldn't cut

1190
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 1: my nails on purpose, bron So just so just think

1191
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: about it. I got somebody like and all these dudes

1192
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 1: trying to beat me up from a full stand was

1193
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: to bully you. So if you're trying to bully me,

1194
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 1: right and I'm putting my nails in you, the first

1195
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 1: thing you're gonna do and say, Man, this dude scratched me. Like, man,

1196
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get too close to him, you know

1197
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So right then and there, I felt like, oh,

1198
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,040
Speaker 1: I got you. You know what I'm saying. Then I

1199
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 1: would come off the screen. Then I will bump You'll

1200
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 1: hit you with a chief shot. I get you. With

1201
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 1: the elbow here and there, and then by the time

1202
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 1: you try to give me back. You know, I tried

1203
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 1: to play in space. I never tried to play in

1204
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 1: the crowd because if I played in the crowd, then

1205
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 1: you're able to grab you, able to hold you, able

1206
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 1: to hit you know what I'm saying. You able to

1207
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 1: get your little chief shots. But if I hit you,

1208
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 1: you know, and run and now you hit me in

1209
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 1: the crowd, were gonna call a foul every time. That's

1210
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 1: how bad. That's how you bade it. Rong. I got

1211
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 1: him in that playoffs sta I got yeah, because listen,

1212
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 1: during that series right there, that was a tough series, man.

1213
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. That year, man, y'all, y'all

1214
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 1: had a hoof Man, I don't even wanna talk. I

1215
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:41,959
Speaker 1: don't even want to talk about y'all team. Your team

1216
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: was the ship. And going down the stretch of that game,

1217
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 1: I knew I was gonna bait him. I knew him.

1218
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 1: I just knew because I played against Ryn, you know

1219
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: what I mean. We had battles with him when he

1220
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 1: was at St. John's. You know what I'm saying. I

1221
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 1: knew how physical he was, and I knew that if

1222
00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 1: I hit him with a chief shot, Ron getting way

1223
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 1: with it. Yeah, he's gonna let you get away with it.

1224
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 1: He gonna get you back. So you know, I watched

1225
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 1: this documentary. He was like, yeah, nobody's seen when he

1226
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 1: got me. Yeah, I got I was trying. I was

1227
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 1: trying to do anything to win, you know, like like

1228
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 1: I'm doing whatever, I gotta do the win. And I

1229
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 1: remember when he hit me with that elbow. He didn't

1230
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 1: even hit me hard. I just felt, you know what

1231
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 1: I'm saying, And I just laid on the ground like

1232
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 1: I got shot. And I remember Germaine O'Neil was just

1233
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 1: yelling and screaming like Ron, what are you doing? Blah

1234
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 1: blah blah, And he was trying to explain to y'all

1235
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 1: that he didn't really hit me that hard. But he

1236
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 1: really didn't hit me that hard. But I just got

1237
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 1: I have a lot of people don't know, like, okay,

1238
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 1: people don't know how our relationship, how cool is But

1239
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 1: even even to go back like that that happened the

1240
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 1: year before I got there with you and Ron and

1241
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 1: I walked into the ribbing with y'all, and people don't understand,

1242
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 1: like those two teams was so talented and was so

1243
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 1: at each each other. When all that happened to day

1244
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 1: of the bra bro as close as me and you are,

1245
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 1: all that went out the window for about five seconds.

1246
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 1: Facts you know what that square it up? Yeah, it up?

1247
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 1: And let me let me tell you bro the ship

1248
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 1: and she was so crazy that when I watched it,

1249
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, god, damn, it was me a rip about

1250
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 1: the five men. That's my partner. No but but but

1251
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 1: but we was all in the morning. We was all

1252
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 1: right for our guys. But we ain't never talked about it.

1253
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 1: But I was telling people how different basketball was then

1254
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 1: and now, Like if you was on the team and

1255
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 1: you was in that area where you was on the

1256
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 1: Pacers team on the Piston team, that robbery was deeper

1257
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 1: than basketball. Bro, oh man, it's like said that that

1258
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 1: that was crazy and me and Stack was like like this,

1259
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like like like feel what

1260
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And that Indiana Pacer team was ridiculous because

1261
01:01:57,240 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 1: You'll had everything that was very similar to us. Dogs,

1262
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like you you you need

1263
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 1: dogs in the fox and you need pit bulls. You

1264
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. During that era to winning that

1265
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 1: when the uh NBA Championship, and if you look at

1266
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 1: the match the matchups, like the matchups like like we

1267
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 1: we everywhere we matched up, well, it wasn't. It wasn't

1268
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 1: like okay, you know what, all right, at the power forward, Uh,

1269
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 1: we're gonna win that matchup or at the big or

1270
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 1: at the goal or whatever whatever. Hell not. Jamal was

1271
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 1: a problem, you know what I mean, Stephen Jackson a problem.

1272
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 1: You know. Al Harrington ar tests like like Jaman O'Neil

1273
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 1: like bro like like we had Reggie still to Reggie too,

1274
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 1: like that was like bro, like how do you put

1275
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 1: that team together? And we knew though, like on our

1276
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 1: squad we knew it. We knew it. And when Jack

1277
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 1: first got there, you know me and Jack's home, his

1278
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 1: first team to do is get on TV and talking about, oh,

1279
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:56,440
Speaker 1: you know what, Detroit they were the beast in the

1280
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 1: East for the last couple of years. It's it's a

1281
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 1: new sheriff in town and stuff. Yeah, Okay, he was

1282
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 1: on he was he was on his He came on

1283
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 1: his I'm like, damn, he ain't even got here yet

1284
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 1: and he already talked track. I'm like Okay, so the

1285
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 1: arrival right there, you know what I'm saying is starting

1286
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:24,120
Speaker 1: to begin where now you know you're looking at two

1287
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 1: teams when we match up that we don't even like

1288
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 1: each other, you know what I'm saying, Like like we

1289
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 1: don't even like like even though like I said, like

1290
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:33,800
Speaker 1: Jack said, we're homies, we're best friends, we love each other.

1291
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:36,680
Speaker 1: You feel what I'm saying. Anything like we're off the

1292
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 1: court and we're in adult fight and Jack fighting. Were

1293
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 1: all fighting, I'm saying. But during that time, it was

1294
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 1: so much built up into this because you got to understand,

1295
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 1: we want to get back to the promising. You know what,

1296
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 1: Indiana already feel like the group of guys that they

1297
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 1: had on their team right now, during that time, they

1298
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:57,440
Speaker 1: felt like they were better than us, you know what

1299
01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So it was like a thing was like okay,

1300
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 1: it's all about you know who wanted more? You know

1301
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:08,760
Speaker 1: what I more? Like like like like hey, like screw basketball,

1302
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like I know what you run,

1303
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 1: we know what you run, you know, like like like

1304
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 1: like who's gonna out will the other team? It was

1305
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 1: all about your will? You know? So that's what I

1306
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 1: love about that matchup and during that bro like I

1307
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 1: tell people, you know, I never told Jack, I never

1308
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 1: told Jack this, But y'all was kicking our hands that game,

1309
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:35,840
Speaker 1: like like on our whole court, like like we our

1310
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:38,240
Speaker 1: team main never been handled like that. We we were

1311
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 1: the bully. That's how we felt, you know what. Any

1312
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 1: team that we went against, like it was times we

1313
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 1: get into the fourth quarter and be down fifteen and

1314
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 1: we look at each other and be like, all right,

1315
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 1: you're ready to turn on, turn it on. You already

1316
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 1: turned on the switch. And she'd be like, all right,

1317
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 1: let's do it, and we'll still win by ten. But

1318
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 1: playing against Indiana, man, no, hell no. I mean they

1319
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 1: had dogs, many dogs. That was but that that was

1320
01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 1: our biggest game, like we had beat everybody, and and

1321
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 1: that was our only game with like, hey we beat everybody,

1322
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 1: but this is the Eastern Carpet Champions Detroit. We ain't

1323
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 1: played them yet, and that was like our biggest game.

1324
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 1: We we had put so much into that game and

1325
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 1: the motion of them so high and you don't even

1326
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 1: know this real At the end of the game, we're

1327
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:18,560
Speaker 1: shooting the free throw right, I'm shooting. I'm at the

1328
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 1: free throw line. Jamal, I make the free throw, and

1329
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 1: I go back to give Jamal and run uh five

1330
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 1: for making a free throw. Jamal tells, Run, you can

1331
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 1: get your file back some some file that being put

1332
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 1: on run in the Eastern Conference file. Remember that I

1333
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:40,080
Speaker 1: told you you don't forget nothing. I wasn't on the

1334
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 1: team yet, yes, And he told him to get his

1335
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 1: file back. If you remember, I was guarden being I

1336
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:48,160
Speaker 1: let being laid up in. Ran came from out of

1337
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 1: nowhere and filed him. And that's how all that ship started.

1338
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:54,640
Speaker 1: Bro no doubt, no doubt, no doubt. And Ben and

1339
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:56,919
Speaker 1: Ben even said, because it's crazy because on earth side,

1340
01:05:57,440 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Ben, want you to referee

1341
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 1: a couple of plays before that, and he said to

1342
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 1: the referee, is told the referee a man, little bro

1343
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:09,640
Speaker 1: Ron out here being dirty hit me with his brother too. Yes,

1344
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 1: he was like, hit me, hit me with a chief shot.

1345
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:13,840
Speaker 1: He said, if if he if he hits me again,

1346
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. If you ain't gonna do

1347
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:18,640
Speaker 1: something about it, I'm gonna do something about it. And

1348
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 1: that's and that's when Ron came over there and hit

1349
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:24,680
Speaker 1: him aginning. He was already, like I said, he was

1350
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 1: already on tilt and that's when the thing went crazy. Yo, man,

1351
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta say this last thing about that ripping.

1352
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 1: I want to see what you say. How hard did

1353
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 1: Ben pushed Ron in his face? Bro? Oh my goodness, listen, man,

1354
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:42,640
Speaker 1: I listened. I know how, I know how. I see

1355
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:45,360
Speaker 1: him every day. You know what I'm saying that Ben

1356
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 1: is not the dude to be messing with, you know

1357
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But on another note, Ron or to

1358
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 1: be messing when you got these two. You know, I

1359
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:57,120
Speaker 1: mean too, he's too rock with these two rock wallers.

1360
01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:00,080
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. But I know what, It

1361
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 1: takes a lot to get being piste off. Yeah, man,

1362
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 1: and and Ben come from you know, you know his

1363
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 1: brothers like he one of the younger brothers like he

1364
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 1: he grew up and fights every every day, just you know,

1365
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 1: from the standpoint of mom putting food on the table,

1366
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:17,320
Speaker 1: and you know, you're the little brother. Sometimes you don't

1367
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 1: get the big piece of chicken, you know what. I

1368
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 1: so so so Ben from that air. So when he

1369
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:28,280
Speaker 1: run like that, I was like, oh snap, it's about

1370
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 1: to go down. I thought he almost broke his neck.

1371
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:32,920
Speaker 1: But that that just lets you know how strong Run

1372
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 1: Run is exactly. It was crazy, unbelievable. I love to see, like,

1373
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:41,880
Speaker 1: you know, the core pieces of that Brawlson down and talk,

1374
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 1: maybe having on the show, but I think it would

1375
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:46,560
Speaker 1: be dope to, you know, to get Sheet and ripped

1376
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:48,360
Speaker 1: to talk about him more, and then and then Ben

1377
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:52,200
Speaker 1: and then get you and and Run and Jo to

1378
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:55,840
Speaker 1: just sit and talk. I guarantee there's never been you know,

1379
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 1: like RiPP just said, I just said something to Jack.

1380
01:07:57,680 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 1: I never told him you said the same thing. There's

1381
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 1: so much unspoken ship in one of the biggest pivotal

1382
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 1: moments in NBA history. I mean, that was one of

1383
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 1: the biggest obviously the biggest brawl in NBA history. Fact,

1384
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:10,200
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of rules were made because

1385
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 1: of that for all, you know what I mean. So

1386
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 1: I think for everyone to sit out and talk. Rev

1387
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:16,360
Speaker 1: got mazed. I don't even know Rev got mazed, man, dude.

1388
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:18,320
Speaker 1: It was it was a lot going on that time. Man,

1389
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:20,800
Speaker 1: it was I thought I broke my wrist because you know,

1390
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:22,519
Speaker 1: it was the time when when everybody was running to

1391
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 1: the crowd. My whole thing is defend my brother, you

1392
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Because I don't know where. I like,

1393
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:31,240
Speaker 1: I don't know where Ron is running to. You know

1394
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:34,000
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, I don't. I don't know anything because

1395
01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:36,519
Speaker 1: there's so much going on at that time, you know

1396
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Even Ben he thought, okay, Ron is

1397
01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:44,240
Speaker 1: coming around that way to come So at the time,

1398
01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 1: I remember I was on the score table when I'm

1399
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:48,880
Speaker 1: running to try to jump in there, and Elden Campbell

1400
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:51,760
Speaker 1: come and grab me, brought my ankle and I just

1401
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 1: remember falling on that cement and I thought I broke

1402
01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:56,439
Speaker 1: my wrist. You know what I'm saying, falling off the

1403
01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:58,840
Speaker 1: score table at that time. But you know, it was.

1404
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:01,560
Speaker 1: It was a crazy time, man. You know, they, you know,

1405
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:03,800
Speaker 1: the league definitely try to clean up the game after that.

1406
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 1: You know, it was. It was definitely something that you know,

1407
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:09,560
Speaker 1: both of us wish we have never experienced, you know,

1408
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 1: in a lifetime, you know, but like I said, it

1409
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:15,240
Speaker 1: was two teams. You know, there's things you do to

1410
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:18,320
Speaker 1: try to win the World Championship, man. Like, like the

1411
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:21,479
Speaker 1: game was, like Jack said, even though we were best

1412
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:25,960
Speaker 1: friends during that moment, all best is off. We ain't talking,

1413
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 1: We ain't having no conversation about it. I ain't. I

1414
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:31,760
Speaker 1: ain't calling Jack and saying, Jack, what the hell was

1415
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:35,479
Speaker 1: you thinking? Like like like like ship like you know,

1416
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:37,720
Speaker 1: like we're trying to win a championship. We won't do

1417
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:41,439
Speaker 1: anything possible to try to get the edge. That's crazy.

1418
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 1: Let's take backtrack a little bit though. Uh. You know,

1419
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 1: we obviously talked about your team. How you guys are

1420
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:51,000
Speaker 1: perfectly constructed. You guys run into a great Laker team

1421
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:53,639
Speaker 1: where many teams didn't give you a shot, and you're

1422
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:56,439
Speaker 1: playing against you know, one of your high school How

1423
01:09:56,439 --> 01:09:57,920
Speaker 1: many people can say they played like one of their

1424
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 1: best friends from high school in the I knows and

1425
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:03,800
Speaker 1: then beat him, you know what I mean. Talked to

1426
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:05,599
Speaker 1: us a little bit about that was because, like I said,

1427
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:07,519
Speaker 1: I don't think many people gave you guys a chance

1428
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 1: because of Shaq and Kobe's dynamic. But you guys just

1429
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 1: had a deeper, better team man. You know what it was,

1430
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:15,400
Speaker 1: Like I said, it was, you know, we were built

1431
01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:18,160
Speaker 1: on against all odds, like my man of Tupac said, right,

1432
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:21,000
Speaker 1: you know, we felt we felt like we were misfits.

1433
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 1: You know, we felt like teams gave up on us

1434
01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:27,479
Speaker 1: too early. My situation in Washington Chauncey situation, him, you know,

1435
01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:30,240
Speaker 1: being on a few teams before he got there, Tayshawn

1436
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:32,760
Speaker 1: being the number twenty second pick at that time when

1437
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:34,679
Speaker 1: he felt like he should have been a top fifteen pick,

1438
01:10:35,080 --> 01:10:37,720
Speaker 1: Ben Wallace being moved all around, you know, him not

1439
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 1: being respected Rashid you know, uh, going through the stuff

1440
01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:44,560
Speaker 1: that he went through in Portland. So we felt like

1441
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:48,160
Speaker 1: we felt like man like to be honest, we were

1442
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:51,720
Speaker 1: the better team, you know, but going against l A,

1443
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:54,600
Speaker 1: like I said, going against Shaq and Cole probably the

1444
01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:58,960
Speaker 1: best one to punch of our error pretty much. And

1445
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:02,200
Speaker 1: and Old from the from the standpoint of me knowing

1446
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:04,800
Speaker 1: him as a kid, always been a killer, So I

1447
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 1: know that he's gonna come ready, right, So I can

1448
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:12,240
Speaker 1: always remember like, uh going to to to Ben in

1449
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:15,360
Speaker 1: Chauncey and Sheet and and Tay And I used to

1450
01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:17,960
Speaker 1: tell him like, yo, man, this dude been. He beat

1451
01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:19,960
Speaker 1: me for a state championship in high school because that

1452
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:21,800
Speaker 1: was our thing. Was always a back and forth thing,

1453
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:24,600
Speaker 1: you know, who would get the upper hand. Uh he

1454
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:26,639
Speaker 1: won there, he won, he got He won the state

1455
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:29,480
Speaker 1: championship that year. So when I won the national championship

1456
01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:32,920
Speaker 1: in college, I called him and was like, yo, bro,

1457
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:36,479
Speaker 1: you can have that high school championship. That ship don't

1458
01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:38,759
Speaker 1: mean none. I got a college. I got a college.

1459
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:41,960
Speaker 1: He was like, really, man, in two years, I'm gonna

1460
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:45,360
Speaker 1: have two NBA championships. Right. He was like, trust me,

1461
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:48,240
Speaker 1: two years, I'm gonna have two of them. So that

1462
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 1: you know me, that back and forth was was us

1463
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:54,360
Speaker 1: since kids. So he was like, man, you know want

1464
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:57,599
Speaker 1: I know? So when we got there on that stage

1465
01:11:58,120 --> 01:12:00,479
Speaker 1: and knowing the history of us going back can fourth

1466
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:03,120
Speaker 1: and always competing against each other, I'm looking at chauncing

1467
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 1: and I'm like, bro, I can't let this dude beat

1468
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 1: me again. Hell nah, Like like I funk that. You

1469
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:12,280
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, I can't live with myself

1470
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:15,120
Speaker 1: if he beats me on the highest stage, Like bro,

1471
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:18,360
Speaker 1: y'all dudes have to have my back. And I can

1472
01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:21,439
Speaker 1: remember being saying to myself, Bro, what you're talking about

1473
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:28,479
Speaker 1: ripping ship? I got shock like stuff I got and

1474
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:30,880
Speaker 1: I gotta guard him head up, I said, Bro, I

1475
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:33,880
Speaker 1: get it, I get it, but I can't leave this game,

1476
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:37,800
Speaker 1: this series with with with allowing this dude to beat me.

1477
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:41,040
Speaker 1: So you know it was fun man, Uh, Like I said,

1478
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:43,600
Speaker 1: confidence wise, we believe that we can beat them, you know,

1479
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:45,799
Speaker 1: but we know it's gonna be uphill help hell battle,

1480
01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:48,240
Speaker 1: just knowing that the roster they had up, they had

1481
01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:51,599
Speaker 1: set up with Gary Payton and Carmelone on that team also,

1482
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:55,559
Speaker 1: but we just felt it feels over our year. M HM,

1483
01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:59,240
Speaker 1: talk to us a little bit. Carmelo Anthony recently spoke

1484
01:12:59,479 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 1: uh Instagram live a d Wade uh a few days

1485
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:05,679
Speaker 1: ago talking about if if you oh three you guys

1486
01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:07,800
Speaker 1: would have drafted, if the Pistons would have drafted him.

1487
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:10,640
Speaker 1: He felt like, you guys could have won two three championships,

1488
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:12,760
Speaker 1: and on paper that sounds about right. But then you

1489
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:14,680
Speaker 1: see a few days later Ben Wallace said he just

1490
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:16,920
Speaker 1: doesn't know if that would have worked. Uh. You know,

1491
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:19,639
Speaker 1: tay Shaun was there, he would have wanted to Mellow

1492
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:22,680
Speaker 1: would have wanted to play more sooner. What do you

1493
01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:24,559
Speaker 1: think would have happened if you guys would actually drafted

1494
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:30,000
Speaker 1: mellow Man? First of all, I think that I would

1495
01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:32,840
Speaker 1: have played at least twenty years in the NBA if

1496
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:38,240
Speaker 1: wed me, I do I don't. I don't know what

1497
01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:42,960
Speaker 1: Ben was talking about. I really don't. I love body

1498
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:45,040
Speaker 1: to death, but I don't know what the hell he

1499
01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:47,200
Speaker 1: was talking about when he when he when he said that.

1500
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:53,320
Speaker 1: But uh, if cart Mellow Anthony comes to Detroit, man, listen,

1501
01:13:54,680 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 1: problem Mellow was at once in a generational type. I

1502
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:07,479
Speaker 1: tell people, if Karmelo comes to us, me and Chauncey

1503
01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:10,559
Speaker 1: talked about it with the narrative been different with Lebron.

1504
01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:14,599
Speaker 1: James Man talked to him because he's winning, Chad, He's

1505
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:18,040
Speaker 1: winning possibly more championships than than than been braught at

1506
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:19,840
Speaker 1: the time, than the weight at the time, and that's

1507
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:23,160
Speaker 1: been the only knock just had he had y'all team

1508
01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:28,120
Speaker 1: around him. Just think about it, Matt, I don't think

1509
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:37,240
Speaker 1: that Cleveland team beats us with Karmel Anthony. N come

1510
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:40,960
Speaker 1: on like nobody beata. I think the narrative will been

1511
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:44,880
Speaker 1: different on Carmelo Anthony. You know what I'm saying. The

1512
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:48,920
Speaker 1: biggest I mean, like like the way we were structured

1513
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:52,960
Speaker 1: when guys came to our team, like guys falls in line.

1514
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:55,240
Speaker 1: Like when I when I came from Washington, I wasn't

1515
01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:57,080
Speaker 1: a defender, you know what I'm saying. I wasn't a

1516
01:14:57,120 --> 01:14:59,439
Speaker 1: guy that really strapped up on the defensive end. You know,

1517
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:01,920
Speaker 1: But when I out there and seeing big bro Ben

1518
01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:04,240
Speaker 1: Wallace doing the night in the night out and saying,

1519
01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:06,960
Speaker 1: this is the this is the foundation of what this

1520
01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:11,080
Speaker 1: team is built on. I gotta fall in line. Chauncey

1521
01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:13,400
Speaker 1: Bill has gotta fall in line. Chauncy woudn't look at

1522
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:16,160
Speaker 1: us no defender before he got the Detroit like you

1523
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:18,479
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So we all had to fall

1524
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:21,719
Speaker 1: in line because of what Ben was beginning to build

1525
01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:26,160
Speaker 1: in Detroit. So now you bring Carmelo to us, I

1526
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:29,240
Speaker 1: think the narrative would have been totally different on his

1527
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:34,040
Speaker 1: career because the thing we'll be talking about is, okay,

1528
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:39,680
Speaker 1: all right, Carmelo Anthony now has three championships already, right

1529
01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:43,640
Speaker 1: uh now mellows thinking about you know what, can he

1530
01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:46,400
Speaker 1: do this by himself? You know? So that would have

1531
01:15:46,439 --> 01:15:48,479
Speaker 1: been that that would have been a question mark then

1532
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:52,680
Speaker 1: you know, going into that next that next UH negotiation

1533
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:55,680
Speaker 1: for his UH for his contract, Like, Okay, I got

1534
01:15:55,800 --> 01:15:59,720
Speaker 1: three already, you know what, Now maybe I want to

1535
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:01,760
Speaker 1: and you're out and see if I can do it

1536
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:04,280
Speaker 1: on my own. That would have been a narrative on

1537
01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:09,680
Speaker 1: Carmelo Anthony. Carmelo Anthony would have been a champion So man,

1538
01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:11,719
Speaker 1: if like I said, if he would have been playing

1539
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:14,439
Speaker 1: on our team, me and would have played for twenty

1540
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:17,920
Speaker 1: years and now you know, we wouldn't have to to

1541
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:20,840
Speaker 1: to carry the load like I wouldn't have to, you know,

1542
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:23,639
Speaker 1: play for the messy game. Now. You know, when we're

1543
01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:28,960
Speaker 1: thirty something years old, it's like hum melo, Carrious, don't

1544
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:32,880
Speaker 1: take the ball, you know, Yeah, yeah you Carrious like

1545
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:36,000
Speaker 1: me and Chance were gonna knock down wide open shots.

1546
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:38,720
Speaker 1: Tashawan gonna do what he do. She did a bit

1547
01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:41,439
Speaker 1: like we didn't care. We had no ego, you know

1548
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 1: what I mean. The only thing that mattered for us

1549
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:48,479
Speaker 1: was to win basketball games. Yeah, that could have been special. Man.

1550
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:52,799
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody, like I said, it'd been scared

1551
01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:55,840
Speaker 1: if you think about it, man, because like I said,

1552
01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:58,960
Speaker 1: you guys had all and this is no t was

1553
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:02,040
Speaker 1: a very solid fifteen sixteen year pro. But like you said,

1554
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:05,920
Speaker 1: Mellow is a generational talent throwing in there. And he's

1555
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:08,479
Speaker 1: a dog in himself. I mean, so he fit right

1556
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:10,720
Speaker 1: into what the funk y'all was doing already. So if

1557
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:13,479
Speaker 1: you had a thirty point of games score on that team,

1558
01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:17,040
Speaker 1: nobody could beat You'll, no, absolutely and tay Shan did

1559
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:19,320
Speaker 1: everything for us. You know what I'm saying. And it's

1560
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:22,160
Speaker 1: not the knock on Tean maybe Carmelo anything doesn't start

1561
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:26,000
Speaker 1: like like you don't like maybe I don't start like like.

1562
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:30,479
Speaker 1: For us, we didn't care. It was all about us

1563
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:34,040
Speaker 1: winning basketball games and we can win and we can

1564
01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:38,160
Speaker 1: put you know, uh something up in the rafters that

1565
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:41,800
Speaker 1: said NBA Champions Like we didn't care who got the

1566
01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:43,719
Speaker 1: glory because at the end of the day, we felt

1567
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:47,559
Speaker 1: like we were all gonna get paid and have our

1568
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:51,479
Speaker 1: individual success if we win basketball games. If we don't win,

1569
01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:53,920
Speaker 1: none of that can happen for us. So you guys

1570
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:57,400
Speaker 1: have a nice run, uh that that slowly comes to

1571
01:17:57,439 --> 01:17:59,720
Speaker 1: an end. You start meeting up with d Wade and

1572
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:03,400
Speaker 1: Chew teams and you know Lebronze teams that he was

1573
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:07,519
Speaker 1: carrying through the Eastern Conference at the time. UM, talk

1574
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:09,439
Speaker 1: to us a little bit that about the game that

1575
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:11,920
Speaker 1: lebron took over against you guys in the playoffs and

1576
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:17,639
Speaker 1: catapulted them to their first finals appearance. Oh man, that's

1577
01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:20,200
Speaker 1: a memory that I just I don't want to remin

1578
01:18:20,280 --> 01:18:24,840
Speaker 1: this at all, but uh, you know what it was.

1579
01:18:25,160 --> 01:18:28,479
Speaker 1: You know, Lebron was, you know, just about to take off. Man,

1580
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:30,840
Speaker 1: we all knew how great he was. You know. We

1581
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:34,240
Speaker 1: used to always say, especially when Lebron got to Cleveland's

1582
01:18:34,240 --> 01:18:36,280
Speaker 1: first couple of years, and we said to herself, like,

1583
01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:39,000
Speaker 1: when this kid figures figures it out, it's gonna be

1584
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:42,479
Speaker 1: a problem for us because he's too big, he's too strong,

1585
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:44,519
Speaker 1: he's too athletic. He can do so many things on

1586
01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:47,960
Speaker 1: the floor that you just can't stop. He can dominate

1587
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:52,200
Speaker 1: the game without scoring the ball, like you know, like like,

1588
01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:56,600
Speaker 1: and we felt like if he beats us, he's the

1589
01:18:56,680 --> 01:18:58,599
Speaker 1: type of guy that you don't allow beat you one

1590
01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:00,160
Speaker 1: time because if he beat you one time, he think

1591
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:03,240
Speaker 1: he's gonna do it every time. In that game and

1592
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:06,880
Speaker 1: I can remember is you know he scored straight points

1593
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:11,840
Speaker 1: against us, right and uh, Flip Saunders was the coach

1594
01:19:12,439 --> 01:19:15,519
Speaker 1: at the time, Rest in peace, Flip Saunders and flipped

1595
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:18,960
Speaker 1: and believe in trapping Lebron at the time. So we

1596
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:22,800
Speaker 1: would icing every time. And you know, if you ice

1597
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:27,480
Speaker 1: Lebron and let him come downhill on the big over

1598
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:29,800
Speaker 1: and nothing, nothing that he can tell because he's just

1599
01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:32,320
Speaker 1: as big as he's just as strong as your Biggs

1600
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:35,519
Speaker 1: and he can probably jump hard and you know most

1601
01:19:35,560 --> 01:19:39,679
Speaker 1: of your bigs and he scored well, when you're playing

1602
01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:42,640
Speaker 1: the game, you don't realize he scored twenty five straight points. Right.

1603
01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:47,240
Speaker 1: But when we had success with Lebron, we will always switch, right.

1604
01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:50,120
Speaker 1: We would say, okay, you know we had defensive player

1605
01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:52,080
Speaker 1: of the Year Ben Wallace, you know, so when they're

1606
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:54,280
Speaker 1: gonna pick a roll, why do you switch out on him?

1607
01:19:54,439 --> 01:19:56,360
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. And then everybody else just

1608
01:19:56,479 --> 01:19:58,680
Speaker 1: man up because we didn't believe in double team, you know,

1609
01:19:58,840 --> 01:20:00,760
Speaker 1: that was that was our thing. It was like, yo,

1610
01:20:01,160 --> 01:20:04,000
Speaker 1: you know, man up, you know, especially you know if

1611
01:20:04,040 --> 01:20:06,000
Speaker 1: you if you in a regular season, you know, we

1612
01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:08,320
Speaker 1: ain't gonna send a double team. So you you got

1613
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:11,639
Speaker 1: a man up with it. But once he scored them

1614
01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:14,240
Speaker 1: twenty five straight points, I remember coming to the locker room,

1615
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:18,360
Speaker 1: man and who she was piste off. She she let

1616
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:25,040
Speaker 1: let flip sounders at the time, right, And I'm trying

1617
01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:27,360
Speaker 1: to calm him down, you know, because I'm like, yo,

1618
01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:30,200
Speaker 1: she the serious is not over, you know. But she

1619
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:32,120
Speaker 1: was so piste off because he was like, man, we

1620
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:34,720
Speaker 1: don't get you don't get opportunities like this, you know

1621
01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:36,479
Speaker 1: what I mean, like you don't get opportunities like it

1622
01:20:36,520 --> 01:20:38,800
Speaker 1: don't come every day that you get an opportunity to

1623
01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:41,479
Speaker 1: make it to the NBA finals, you know, like like

1624
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:43,320
Speaker 1: like you know, late in your career, you try to

1625
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:45,519
Speaker 1: get on teams to get that, you know, but when

1626
01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:47,600
Speaker 1: you it's it's very rare that you have that in

1627
01:20:47,680 --> 01:20:51,439
Speaker 1: your in your prime. So he was piste off at

1628
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:55,120
Speaker 1: that time. And and I and I can remember going

1629
01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:57,960
Speaker 1: into the next game, uh, game six, I think we

1630
01:20:58,080 --> 01:21:04,080
Speaker 1: played against them, and uh, in Cleveland, we we went

1631
01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:09,400
Speaker 1: in with the game plan the players, which was crazy

1632
01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:12,880
Speaker 1: when you think about it, right, because times we gotta

1633
01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:14,840
Speaker 1: make our owners. What I'm saying, that should be happening

1634
01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:16,880
Speaker 1: sometimes more than people realize that because some of these

1635
01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:19,040
Speaker 1: coaches be on the bullshit and we're out there and

1636
01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:24,240
Speaker 1: we know better. We yes, yes. So you know Flip

1637
01:21:24,479 --> 01:21:27,680
Speaker 1: had uh uh he said the next day he said, hey,

1638
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:30,760
Speaker 1: you know what, guys, meet meet at the plane. Right,

1639
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:33,679
Speaker 1: So we were the type of dudes was like, meet

1640
01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:36,240
Speaker 1: at the plane. Now we gotta get this right, you

1641
01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:37,920
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. The Flip was like, now meet

1642
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:40,760
Speaker 1: meet at the plane. So we came together and said, hey,

1643
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:45,960
Speaker 1: you know what all coaches go to the plane. We're

1644
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:50,280
Speaker 1: gonna have our own practice. Yeah, that's dope. So we

1645
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:53,479
Speaker 1: we had our own practice. Like we went in there said,

1646
01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:59,400
Speaker 1: bro Lebron ain't gonna beat us, you know, like I'm

1647
01:21:59,479 --> 01:22:02,000
Speaker 1: a guardian for the first five minutes, Ta Sean, give

1648
01:22:02,040 --> 01:22:04,240
Speaker 1: you a break so you don't pick up two fouls early,

1649
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:06,519
Speaker 1: you know. Then we're gonna bring Lindsey Hunter, and Lindsey

1650
01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:10,639
Speaker 1: you're gonna come in at the six minute mark, you know, yes,

1651
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:12,920
Speaker 1: and then you're harass him in your guard him right

1652
01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:14,800
Speaker 1: then take Shan. You're gonna pick him up in the

1653
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:18,040
Speaker 1: second quarter. Which was a great game plan. The only

1654
01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:22,160
Speaker 1: thing was was that Gibson came out that in Game

1655
01:22:22,240 --> 01:22:25,880
Speaker 1: six and hit a career high like seven threes. He

1656
01:22:26,040 --> 01:22:29,000
Speaker 1: ended up scoring thirty. You know, but we took Lebron

1657
01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:32,080
Speaker 1: out the game, which was, in my opinion, the best

1658
01:22:32,120 --> 01:22:35,120
Speaker 1: strategy that you can have. But you know, you you

1659
01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:37,200
Speaker 1: can't do things like that, especially when you're trying to

1660
01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:41,280
Speaker 1: win the championship. Definitely, looking back on your nine years

1661
01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:44,200
Speaker 1: in Detroit, what are some things that stand out to

1662
01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:46,639
Speaker 1: you about that. I think the biggest thing to stand

1663
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:51,080
Speaker 1: out for me was you know, sharing that floor with

1664
01:22:51,280 --> 01:22:55,080
Speaker 1: some real ass dudes, man like, with some real brothers.

1665
01:22:55,160 --> 01:22:58,720
Speaker 1: Man like that time in Detroit, man like Matt, I

1666
01:22:58,840 --> 01:23:02,280
Speaker 1: like like it wasn't basketball, man Like, it was just

1667
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:05,000
Speaker 1: bigger it was. It was just fun. It's just like

1668
01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:07,920
Speaker 1: hanging out with friends you grew up with, you know

1669
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:09,400
Speaker 1: what I mean. You know, everybody first thing they do

1670
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:10,800
Speaker 1: is get when they get to the league, they bring

1671
01:23:10,840 --> 01:23:12,320
Speaker 1: all their homies with them, you know what I mean,

1672
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:14,920
Speaker 1: because that's you know, that's what you're familiar with. Like

1673
01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:17,720
Speaker 1: I was playing with my homies. I was playing with

1674
01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:22,519
Speaker 1: my brothers. Like through thick and through thin, I knew

1675
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:26,160
Speaker 1: them dudes would have my back right or wrong, you know,

1676
01:23:26,439 --> 01:23:29,120
Speaker 1: like like because you know in certain situations like I

1677
01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:31,439
Speaker 1: might be wrong, you know what I mean, because I

1678
01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:33,560
Speaker 1: might you know, certain games, I would talk trash and

1679
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:36,599
Speaker 1: run my mouth and whatever whatever. But I looked at

1680
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:39,200
Speaker 1: being and be like, look, motherfucker, you better have my back.

1681
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:42,160
Speaker 1: You know. You know what I'm saying, Like like if

1682
01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:44,720
Speaker 1: if something go down, you better go down with me.

1683
01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:48,040
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. And that was the thing

1684
01:23:48,200 --> 01:23:50,760
Speaker 1: that we had. You know, we was joined by the hip,

1685
01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:55,040
Speaker 1: you know, So sharing that with my brothers and you know,

1686
01:23:55,560 --> 01:23:58,920
Speaker 1: having fun with it. You know, like we did everything together.

1687
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:01,800
Speaker 1: We hooped together, we eight together, we hang we went

1688
01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:06,120
Speaker 1: to clubs together. Like we did everything together. So that

1689
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:08,800
Speaker 1: was the thing that you know, I missed to this day.

1690
01:24:09,200 --> 01:24:13,000
Speaker 1: You know that the brotherhood that we had amongst amongst

1691
01:24:13,080 --> 01:24:15,360
Speaker 1: each other. Yeah, we won games. Yeah we want to

1692
01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:19,040
Speaker 1: the Eastern Conference Finals, one NBA championship with that brotherhood

1693
01:24:19,120 --> 01:24:22,560
Speaker 1: that we had, getting four, getting four All Stars in

1694
01:24:22,840 --> 01:24:25,720
Speaker 1: the NBA All Star Games. Should have five with t

1695
01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:29,760
Speaker 1: Sean that year. But that stuff right there, man, I

1696
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:32,479
Speaker 1: mean it's hard to come by. Man, It's hard to

1697
01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:35,400
Speaker 1: come by when you know the dude that you're playing

1698
01:24:35,439 --> 01:24:41,200
Speaker 1: with really loves you, like like really like really yes,

1699
01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:43,960
Speaker 1: no doubt, special feeling we had. We had that, although

1700
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:45,439
Speaker 1: it was short, we had that and go to State.

1701
01:24:45,479 --> 01:24:47,040
Speaker 1: So I know exactly what you're talking about, like that

1702
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:50,800
Speaker 1: brotherhood where it's more than basketball's family and different ones

1703
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:52,479
Speaker 1: like that. Get a chance to play with Derek Rose

1704
01:24:52,520 --> 01:24:55,840
Speaker 1: the year after coming off his MVP season, Um, you

1705
01:24:55,920 --> 01:25:00,360
Speaker 1: guys are in the playoffs. Mistake me if I'm wrong.

1706
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:04,400
Speaker 1: Game in hand, Uh, tips keeps him in, he gets

1707
01:25:04,479 --> 01:25:07,439
Speaker 1: hurt and never comes back the same. Tell to me

1708
01:25:07,439 --> 01:25:10,599
Speaker 1: about that experience as a veteran seeing that process happened

1709
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:14,680
Speaker 1: to such a promising young talent. Oh man, it was

1710
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:18,640
Speaker 1: tough because that's the reason why I went to Chicago, right.

1711
01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:21,160
Speaker 1: I've seen what was happening in Detroit and it was

1712
01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:22,680
Speaker 1: kind of breaking up that team. And I was like,

1713
01:25:22,720 --> 01:25:24,800
Speaker 1: all right, you know what, real, you know, maybe it's

1714
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:28,360
Speaker 1: your time to go, right, So, like you start thinking,

1715
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:30,280
Speaker 1: you start looking at all the different teams. I'm saying,

1716
01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:33,000
Speaker 1: you know, what is the best fit? Right? I knew

1717
01:25:33,080 --> 01:25:36,599
Speaker 1: Chicago at the time needed the two guard, right uh

1718
01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:39,080
Speaker 1: and and I and I felt like, all right, you

1719
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:41,880
Speaker 1: know what, I can be the missing piece to get

1720
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:45,080
Speaker 1: them over the hunt because for Chicago at the time,

1721
01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:48,120
Speaker 1: they will always meet up against the Miami Heat with

1722
01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:50,840
Speaker 1: Lebron and d Wade, and they didn't have nobody to

1723
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:53,479
Speaker 1: match up with d Wayne Wade. And me and d

1724
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:56,080
Speaker 1: Wade had a lot of matchups, you know during my career.

1725
01:25:56,160 --> 01:25:59,040
Speaker 1: I mean that dudes great, Like that dude right there,

1726
01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:03,240
Speaker 1: push me too too. I mean like it was tough

1727
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:05,600
Speaker 1: night and night out trying to guard him, you know,

1728
01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:07,400
Speaker 1: and also trying to do something on the on the

1729
01:26:07,479 --> 01:26:10,880
Speaker 1: on the office end, but uh, he was probably one

1730
01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:12,880
Speaker 1: of the toughest guys that I had to had to guard.

1731
01:26:13,240 --> 01:26:15,599
Speaker 1: But then going to Chicago and playing against Derek Rose

1732
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:17,840
Speaker 1: during that time, man, I was like, bro like, I

1733
01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:21,280
Speaker 1: played with a lot of great players Derek ros during

1734
01:26:21,320 --> 01:26:23,840
Speaker 1: that time. It was probably the most talented player I

1735
01:26:23,920 --> 01:26:32,280
Speaker 1: ever played played with. I mean just starting at three yo.

1736
01:26:32,360 --> 01:26:35,560
Speaker 1: This dude was ridiculous. And I've seen what he was

1737
01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:38,080
Speaker 1: doing and practice night in the night out, and he

1738
01:26:38,120 --> 01:26:40,800
Speaker 1: had a great work work, work ethic and he's very

1739
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:45,280
Speaker 1: similar to tou k D. Always say, Derek Rosen and

1740
01:26:45,560 --> 01:26:49,000
Speaker 1: UH and k D they're probably the most too humble

1741
01:26:49,080 --> 01:26:52,160
Speaker 1: superstars I've ever seen in my life, like to give

1742
01:26:52,200 --> 01:26:54,920
Speaker 1: you their shirt off their back like, and Derek was

1743
01:26:55,040 --> 01:26:58,200
Speaker 1: that type of guy. So playing against the semi six

1744
01:26:58,280 --> 01:27:00,920
Speaker 1: or sixers during that time, and a lot of people say, hey,

1745
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:03,439
Speaker 1: you know what, why was Derek in the game, And

1746
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:06,240
Speaker 1: you know, I would ask the question to like me

1747
01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:10,559
Speaker 1: knowing I won before you know, in Detroit, I've been

1748
01:27:11,160 --> 01:27:14,519
Speaker 1: you know, on the bench at times where you know,

1749
01:27:14,680 --> 01:27:16,920
Speaker 1: we had an opportunity to go after that record of

1750
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:20,120
Speaker 1: winning seventy games or whatever because we were killing during

1751
01:27:20,200 --> 01:27:23,360
Speaker 1: one year, and guys like Sheet and Ben was to

1752
01:27:23,439 --> 01:27:26,640
Speaker 1: be like, man, get Chauncey off the floor, get Rip

1753
01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:29,080
Speaker 1: off the court, or they'll called time out and get

1754
01:27:29,160 --> 01:27:33,880
Speaker 1: us off the floor, because because we know that it's

1755
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:38,320
Speaker 1: bigger than that game. So at that time, you know,

1756
01:27:38,439 --> 01:27:39,920
Speaker 1: you look back at it now now you can look

1757
01:27:39,960 --> 01:27:42,479
Speaker 1: back on it. We had that game right and you

1758
01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:44,920
Speaker 1: asked that question, why is he in the game? You know,

1759
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:47,640
Speaker 1: because we already had that game in order for us

1760
01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:51,280
Speaker 1: to win NBA Championship. So I was always looking at

1761
01:27:51,280 --> 01:27:53,080
Speaker 1: it like, Okay, you know what, once the game, you

1762
01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:55,760
Speaker 1: got the game in hand, especially in the playoffs, you

1763
01:27:55,840 --> 01:27:58,160
Speaker 1: gotta get your best player off the floor. You just

1764
01:27:58,280 --> 01:28:02,400
Speaker 1: have to because it's just so much, you know, especially

1765
01:28:02,720 --> 01:28:05,360
Speaker 1: you know when you're the focal point of our offense.

1766
01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:09,000
Speaker 1: It's so much he's gonna have to deal with, especially

1767
01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:12,040
Speaker 1: when you get later and later in the series. Just

1768
01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:16,559
Speaker 1: from a physicality standpoint, you know, the rest swallowed whistle

1769
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:18,800
Speaker 1: a little bit more. You know, they let you hold it,

1770
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:20,479
Speaker 1: let you grab a little bit more. You know what

1771
01:28:20,520 --> 01:28:23,040
Speaker 1: I'm saying. They're not calling the tiki tech fouls that

1772
01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:25,560
Speaker 1: they might call in the regular season. So you you

1773
01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:29,719
Speaker 1: gotta know that. And I'm thinking to myself, like, come on, tips,

1774
01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:32,080
Speaker 1: i gotta get him out of the game, you know.

1775
01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:37,360
Speaker 1: So when that happens, I'm like, oh snap, I'm like,

1776
01:28:37,479 --> 01:28:42,400
Speaker 1: bro get up, like like get up. And then when

1777
01:28:42,439 --> 01:28:44,800
Speaker 1: he doesn't get up and he's walking off, man, it

1778
01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:50,120
Speaker 1: it crushed me. Not because of my own individual you know, uh,

1779
01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:52,560
Speaker 1: you know, me coming there and wanting to win the championship,

1780
01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:55,640
Speaker 1: but just knowing Derek is a good kid. Derek is

1781
01:28:55,720 --> 01:28:58,559
Speaker 1: a dude that you know, he got a great work ethic,

1782
01:28:58,920 --> 01:29:01,160
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, very humble, and this guy

1783
01:29:01,320 --> 01:29:05,679
Speaker 1: right here, man, you know, best point guard in the game,

1784
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:09,439
Speaker 1: like like like couldn't nobody mess with the Rose during

1785
01:29:09,520 --> 01:29:12,200
Speaker 1: that time, you know, So to see him going down,

1786
01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:15,000
Speaker 1: I just felt like, like, you know, our chances of

1787
01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:19,519
Speaker 1: winning the championship is very rare to none, right, And

1788
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:21,240
Speaker 1: like you said, it's more than just the basket because

1789
01:29:21,240 --> 01:29:23,680
Speaker 1: he's a good dude. Yea. That ship would make it

1790
01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:25,160
Speaker 1: hurt you though, some dudes they said I used to

1791
01:29:25,160 --> 01:29:27,680
Speaker 1: ask and that he was Derek Rose. I don't know

1792
01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:29,519
Speaker 1: him personally. I just know him from watching and reading

1793
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:32,080
Speaker 1: stories on him and hear about his up upbringing. He's

1794
01:29:32,120 --> 01:29:35,120
Speaker 1: a great dude to go along with a very talented player.

1795
01:29:35,880 --> 01:29:37,960
Speaker 1: Listen this little this dude, this dude said one time

1796
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:39,840
Speaker 1: in the locker room, win the locker room. He just

1797
01:29:39,880 --> 01:29:43,040
Speaker 1: signed a two hundred and fifty million dollar deal with Adidas,

1798
01:29:43,080 --> 01:29:45,439
Speaker 1: another hundred and fifty from the Bulls. She got four

1799
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:48,760
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars at twenty what three years old? And

1800
01:29:49,120 --> 01:29:50,720
Speaker 1: I looked at him in the locker room. I said, Bro,

1801
01:29:50,840 --> 01:29:55,800
Speaker 1: do you know you just signed for four hundred million dollars? Right?

1802
01:29:56,200 --> 01:30:00,320
Speaker 1: And he like like like like what you mean? You know,

1803
01:30:00,479 --> 01:30:03,600
Speaker 1: like he didn't even know the impact of of that.

1804
01:30:04,360 --> 01:30:07,200
Speaker 1: And then I told his brother after, you know, Wrenchie

1805
01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:09,640
Speaker 1: after the game, like yo, congratulations. He was like, my

1806
01:30:09,720 --> 01:30:11,960
Speaker 1: brother don't even know what just happened. He called me,

1807
01:30:12,080 --> 01:30:13,920
Speaker 1: asked me the other day, is it okay if he

1808
01:30:13,960 --> 01:30:17,800
Speaker 1: buys a Bentley? I said what I said, how many

1809
01:30:17,880 --> 01:30:21,320
Speaker 1: dude you know that that that just made four hundred

1810
01:30:21,320 --> 01:30:23,880
Speaker 1: million dollars that will call his big bro. I'm like, yo,

1811
01:30:24,040 --> 01:30:25,360
Speaker 1: was it cool for me to buy a Bentley? That

1812
01:30:25,439 --> 01:30:27,439
Speaker 1: just tells you what type of DUDEY is hype of

1813
01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:30,120
Speaker 1: dude not. I don't really like to do hypotheticals, But

1814
01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:34,320
Speaker 1: the trajectory you saw him on at twenty three barring injury,

1815
01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:37,360
Speaker 1: where would he rank amongst the greats? If we were

1816
01:30:38,240 --> 01:30:41,439
Speaker 1: ship was fifteen years sixteen years in and d Rose

1817
01:30:41,560 --> 01:30:43,840
Speaker 1: was just being able to play through with no injury.

1818
01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:45,640
Speaker 1: Where does he rank in the history Because to me,

1819
01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:47,840
Speaker 1: he was he was a generational talent as well, but

1820
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:52,360
Speaker 1: probably wanted to be most special at at his position. Yeah,

1821
01:30:52,760 --> 01:30:56,840
Speaker 1: at his position, man, dude, I mean, man, you talk

1822
01:30:56,880 --> 01:30:58,800
Speaker 1: about the great ones. There's a lot of great ones

1823
01:30:58,840 --> 01:31:01,519
Speaker 1: out there, you know, talk about magic and you know

1824
01:31:02,080 --> 01:31:05,080
Speaker 1: John Stockton and all the ones that played before us.

1825
01:31:05,160 --> 01:31:10,000
Speaker 1: But in my opinion, Derrick Rose is definitely top ten easily,

1826
01:31:10,200 --> 01:31:13,560
Speaker 1: you know, could be top five. Man, this dude like

1827
01:31:14,040 --> 01:31:17,040
Speaker 1: like I'm telling you, like, I mean, there's a lot

1828
01:31:17,120 --> 01:31:19,040
Speaker 1: of great players in our game right now. When you're

1829
01:31:19,080 --> 01:31:22,400
Speaker 1: talking about the point guards position, Russell West Coast, you

1830
01:31:22,520 --> 01:31:30,400
Speaker 1: know you talk about uh CP Kyrie. Listen, none of

1831
01:31:30,479 --> 01:31:35,880
Speaker 1: them dudes wanted no smoke with I'm telling you right now,

1832
01:31:36,280 --> 01:31:39,280
Speaker 1: none of them dudes wanting no smoke with de Rose

1833
01:31:39,640 --> 01:31:43,720
Speaker 1: during that time. To believe, yes, Steve ro it was

1834
01:31:43,760 --> 01:31:46,640
Speaker 1: a problem. Let's talk about on court accessories in the

1835
01:31:46,720 --> 01:31:48,880
Speaker 1: early two thousands because you had probably one of the

1836
01:31:49,040 --> 01:31:53,120
Speaker 1: most fashionable statements. You know what I mean. You broke

1837
01:31:53,160 --> 01:31:55,320
Speaker 1: your nose a few times. You get the mask and

1838
01:31:55,960 --> 01:31:57,720
Speaker 1: I had to try to play with the mask. Once

1839
01:31:57,800 --> 01:31:59,960
Speaker 1: I couldn't handle that, took it off. I risked everything

1840
01:32:00,760 --> 01:32:03,200
Speaker 1: other guys couldn't play with. You made that, you know,

1841
01:32:03,320 --> 01:32:05,240
Speaker 1: like a household. You made that just as householders, you

1842
01:32:05,280 --> 01:32:07,600
Speaker 1: made your name. Talk to us about that process and

1843
01:32:07,640 --> 01:32:11,400
Speaker 1: why you decided to keep that mask on. Well what one?

1844
01:32:11,880 --> 01:32:15,760
Speaker 1: Uh I hated it too, Matt like like ship, I

1845
01:32:15,800 --> 01:32:19,160
Speaker 1: don't broke my nose three times, and uh you know,

1846
01:32:19,240 --> 01:32:20,840
Speaker 1: the one thing about it is when you break your

1847
01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:22,960
Speaker 1: nose and you gotta go through the surgery. It was

1848
01:32:23,040 --> 01:32:25,800
Speaker 1: putting me out like six weeks, like you know, just

1849
01:32:25,960 --> 01:32:28,720
Speaker 1: on simple fact they had to readjust my septum and

1850
01:32:29,040 --> 01:32:31,799
Speaker 1: the first time I broke it in like fourteen different pieces.

1851
01:32:32,560 --> 01:32:37,320
Speaker 1: Uh So And from a team standpoint, Ben and always

1852
01:32:37,479 --> 01:32:39,600
Speaker 1: been used to always say, man, I can't afford to

1853
01:32:39,640 --> 01:32:42,120
Speaker 1: lose you when it really counts, right, So I really

1854
01:32:42,160 --> 01:32:44,840
Speaker 1: had to think about, you know, a long term if

1855
01:32:45,400 --> 01:32:46,800
Speaker 1: you know, if this happens in the playoffs, and I

1856
01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:50,519
Speaker 1: won't be able to play. So, uh, once I started

1857
01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:52,640
Speaker 1: wearing it, I tell people it's like, you know, as

1858
01:32:52,640 --> 01:32:54,960
Speaker 1: a kid going tricker treating, and you know, nobody goes

1859
01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:57,559
Speaker 1: tricker treating with their mask on for the whole three hours.

1860
01:32:57,960 --> 01:33:03,000
Speaker 1: It's like you're running from house to house, right, but

1861
01:33:03,120 --> 01:33:04,800
Speaker 1: you only put your mask on and when you were

1862
01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:07,680
Speaker 1: the do you know. But I had to wear that

1863
01:33:07,760 --> 01:33:09,680
Speaker 1: thing for a whole entire game. It's getting fog, is

1864
01:33:09,680 --> 01:33:12,360
Speaker 1: getting clogged up and everything else. But the thing that

1865
01:33:12,400 --> 01:33:15,160
Speaker 1: I loved about wearing it is, you know, as players,

1866
01:33:15,479 --> 01:33:16,960
Speaker 1: you know, we don't want to get hit in the face.

1867
01:33:17,040 --> 01:33:19,719
Speaker 1: So every time you you you you go into the basket,

1868
01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:22,479
Speaker 1: a lot of times guys tents up like, oh man,

1869
01:33:22,600 --> 01:33:24,439
Speaker 1: I don't want to get poked in the eye or

1870
01:33:24,840 --> 01:33:27,080
Speaker 1: you know, get my teeth knocked out or whatever whatever.

1871
01:33:27,720 --> 01:33:30,040
Speaker 1: So once I wore that mask, now and I kind

1872
01:33:30,040 --> 01:33:32,679
Speaker 1: of became invincible because now as I'm going to the basket,

1873
01:33:32,720 --> 01:33:34,240
Speaker 1: I don't give a damnf I get hit in the face.

1874
01:33:34,520 --> 01:33:35,960
Speaker 1: You know, as long as I get two free throws.

1875
01:33:36,760 --> 01:33:40,479
Speaker 1: That that that was the thing. But once I started

1876
01:33:40,520 --> 01:33:43,240
Speaker 1: wearing it, wearing it, I started to feel like you know,

1877
01:33:43,439 --> 01:33:45,800
Speaker 1: all right, this is like my cake, like my Superman Kip,

1878
01:33:46,240 --> 01:33:49,880
Speaker 1: Like if when people come to watch basketball, you know this,

1879
01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:53,519
Speaker 1: wearing the mask kind of separates me from everybody else.

1880
01:33:53,560 --> 01:33:55,479
Speaker 1: We got a lot of great talent in our game. Right,

1881
01:33:55,560 --> 01:33:58,360
Speaker 1: every night you can come watch NBA basketball and you'll

1882
01:33:58,400 --> 01:34:01,320
Speaker 1: see guys that are elite, that are great, you know

1883
01:34:01,320 --> 01:34:03,960
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, and have a great brand around him.

1884
01:34:04,040 --> 01:34:05,960
Speaker 1: And I was just like, you know what separates you

1885
01:34:06,120 --> 01:34:08,519
Speaker 1: from the rest of the NBA, the rest of the

1886
01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:11,519
Speaker 1: guys in the NBA wearing the mask. So once I

1887
01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:13,800
Speaker 1: started wearing it, I got used to it, and then

1888
01:34:13,840 --> 01:34:16,479
Speaker 1: it kind of became like my super Superman cape. And

1889
01:34:16,840 --> 01:34:19,280
Speaker 1: you know, never took it off ever since. That's dope.

1890
01:34:19,439 --> 01:34:22,400
Speaker 1: I love that. That's That's that we That's one of

1891
01:34:22,439 --> 01:34:25,000
Speaker 1: the memorable looks like that. You in the mask fall

1892
01:34:25,200 --> 01:34:28,639
Speaker 1: in the category with Obson with the with the arts leeve,

1893
01:34:28,680 --> 01:34:31,600
Speaker 1: in the head band, Lebron with the black mask in

1894
01:34:31,720 --> 01:34:36,160
Speaker 1: Miami mask in Miami. It wouldn't let me wear the

1895
01:34:36,200 --> 01:34:40,000
Speaker 1: black mask. That was crazy because I thought about it, right,

1896
01:34:40,080 --> 01:34:41,640
Speaker 1: I thought about it. I said, hey, you know what,

1897
01:34:41,720 --> 01:34:43,240
Speaker 1: when I first got my mask, then I said, I'm

1898
01:34:43,280 --> 01:34:46,000
Speaker 1: aware of black black mask in an All Star game,

1899
01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:50,320
Speaker 1: and they made a big deal about all you can't

1900
01:34:50,360 --> 01:34:53,679
Speaker 1: wear you're gonna get fine, and you know they won't

1901
01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:55,960
Speaker 1: let you play in the game with it. And then

1902
01:34:56,000 --> 01:34:57,960
Speaker 1: I turned on the TV and see Lebron James with

1903
01:34:58,040 --> 01:35:01,040
Speaker 1: a black mask on. Man, I was pissed off. I

1904
01:35:01,200 --> 01:35:04,200
Speaker 1: was like, what, like, what is going on here? Like

1905
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:11,720
Speaker 1: I started this ship? This is motherfucking yes. Yes. But

1906
01:35:11,840 --> 01:35:14,720
Speaker 1: come to find out I heard that he didn't he

1907
01:35:14,840 --> 01:35:17,519
Speaker 1: didn't let the team know what mask he was gonna wear,

1908
01:35:17,840 --> 01:35:19,840
Speaker 1: and he kind of just ward, you know, it, came

1909
01:35:19,880 --> 01:35:21,920
Speaker 1: to the game and just kind of surprised everybody by

1910
01:35:21,960 --> 01:35:25,960
Speaker 1: wearing the black mask. Two questions for you, even though

1911
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:27,559
Speaker 1: the season is not going on, who did you who

1912
01:35:27,600 --> 01:35:31,120
Speaker 1: did you think was going to the finals? And who

1913
01:35:31,400 --> 01:35:33,760
Speaker 1: what what young talent you like? And you watch the

1914
01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:37,479
Speaker 1: most Two questions, Oh, man, I think for for me,

1915
01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:40,080
Speaker 1: who was the team that I thought that was going

1916
01:35:40,160 --> 01:35:41,840
Speaker 1: to the finals? You might be mad at me, but

1917
01:35:42,720 --> 01:35:49,160
Speaker 1: I was going with the Clippers. Man. Matt was on

1918
01:35:49,280 --> 01:35:53,000
Speaker 1: board with me. Yeah, I was. I was going with

1919
01:35:53,120 --> 01:35:56,439
Speaker 1: the Clips, man. I mean, listen, yeah, you got a

1920
01:35:56,640 --> 01:35:58,800
Speaker 1: D and Lebron right, and I think with them having

1921
01:35:58,920 --> 01:36:02,000
Speaker 1: with with with with l A having a D. You know,

1922
01:36:02,200 --> 01:36:04,200
Speaker 1: the Clippers don't have nobody that can guard him. That's

1923
01:36:04,200 --> 01:36:06,640
Speaker 1: the one mismatch that they do have, you know. But

1924
01:36:07,240 --> 01:36:09,559
Speaker 1: and it's hard to bet against Lebron James, Like, I'll

1925
01:36:09,640 --> 01:36:14,920
Speaker 1: never bet I played against this dude. That is something

1926
01:36:15,080 --> 01:36:20,719
Speaker 1: that I just won't absolutely not not even not even close.

1927
01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:23,200
Speaker 1: I won't do that, right, I won't go on the

1928
01:36:23,240 --> 01:36:27,360
Speaker 1: record say that. But the Clippers, man, what they have, uh,

1929
01:36:27,560 --> 01:36:29,559
Speaker 1: you know, they got a bunch of dogs on their team.

1930
01:36:29,680 --> 01:36:31,759
Speaker 1: And then you look at the bench with Lou Williams

1931
01:36:31,840 --> 01:36:35,479
Speaker 1: and uh montre Is coming off the bench. They got

1932
01:36:35,600 --> 01:36:39,240
Speaker 1: guys that can fulfill Rose because in the playoffs, you

1933
01:36:39,320 --> 01:36:42,479
Speaker 1: need other guys to win you a game. Like you know,

1934
01:36:42,680 --> 01:36:45,400
Speaker 1: you can't depend on Brian and a D to win

1935
01:36:45,520 --> 01:36:49,040
Speaker 1: you all seven games, all four games. You can't. It's

1936
01:36:49,080 --> 01:36:52,519
Speaker 1: always another guy that going up that has to win

1937
01:36:52,600 --> 01:36:54,839
Speaker 1: the game for you. Like even when we have battles

1938
01:36:54,880 --> 01:36:58,080
Speaker 1: with with with y'all in in Indiana, Austin Crozier one

1939
01:36:58,200 --> 01:37:02,280
Speaker 1: y'all game one time, you know, like other guys to

1940
01:37:02,560 --> 01:37:05,000
Speaker 1: win one game for you. And I just think that

1941
01:37:05,479 --> 01:37:08,200
Speaker 1: the Clippers they have too many pieces. I mean, they

1942
01:37:08,280 --> 01:37:10,800
Speaker 1: got a great coach with DC Rivers, like, you know,

1943
01:37:10,920 --> 01:37:14,760
Speaker 1: they got the infrastructure, you know, the thing that the

1944
01:37:14,920 --> 01:37:16,920
Speaker 1: ship that Kawhi Leonard did last year and taking that

1945
01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:20,600
Speaker 1: Toronto Toronto Raptors team all way to the finals and

1946
01:37:20,680 --> 01:37:24,400
Speaker 1: winning it and putting that team on his back. It's like, yo, man,

1947
01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:28,120
Speaker 1: like I'm not human. My new nickname should be Robot

1948
01:37:28,160 --> 01:37:31,000
Speaker 1: because that's what that's what it reminds me of, of

1949
01:37:31,400 --> 01:37:34,720
Speaker 1: a robot like. But I would have to go with

1950
01:37:34,800 --> 01:37:38,240
Speaker 1: the Clippers, even though I don't want to bet against

1951
01:37:38,320 --> 01:37:42,519
Speaker 1: Lebron Lebron James. I. It's a toss up, man, It's

1952
01:37:42,520 --> 01:37:45,840
Speaker 1: a toss up. He's definitely coming out he had the Lakers.

1953
01:37:45,880 --> 01:37:47,360
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's what I found. I mean, I think

1954
01:37:47,400 --> 01:37:49,920
Speaker 1: the safe better to say is coming out of And

1955
01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:51,840
Speaker 1: that's no disrespect to the East, you know. I mean,

1956
01:37:51,880 --> 01:37:53,679
Speaker 1: I get the East is very talented, but you gotta

1957
01:37:53,720 --> 01:37:55,400
Speaker 1: you gotta do it. You know, you've got guys who

1958
01:37:55,479 --> 01:37:58,599
Speaker 1: have done it on this West side. So it's definitely

1959
01:37:58,640 --> 01:38:01,240
Speaker 1: coming out of l a something to give you problems, Matt.

1960
01:38:02,720 --> 01:38:05,240
Speaker 1: Who's some of the young talent you enjoy watching these days?

1961
01:38:06,360 --> 01:38:09,760
Speaker 1: Oh Man, I'm a fan, man, So I love a

1962
01:38:09,840 --> 01:38:12,080
Speaker 1: lot of these young kids that's coming out coming out.

1963
01:38:12,520 --> 01:38:16,200
Speaker 1: I love John Morant right now. I mean he's everybody

1964
01:38:16,320 --> 01:38:19,160
Speaker 1: say him first. Yeah, man, he's he's a dog man.

1965
01:38:19,200 --> 01:38:21,920
Speaker 1: He's a beast man like with him when he when

1966
01:38:21,920 --> 01:38:24,320
Speaker 1: he was going through it with uh, the whole Andre

1967
01:38:24,520 --> 01:38:27,560
Speaker 1: Cadollar thing, you know, and Steph said something and he

1968
01:38:27,720 --> 01:38:29,960
Speaker 1: was like, hey, man, I love you, but I'm coming

1969
01:38:30,040 --> 01:38:33,880
Speaker 1: at you like like like you love that because you know,

1970
01:38:33,960 --> 01:38:36,280
Speaker 1: you don't want to hear that all the time, especially

1971
01:38:36,479 --> 01:38:39,519
Speaker 1: you know, in this new era of basketball. You know.

1972
01:38:39,720 --> 01:38:42,679
Speaker 1: But but he's a guy that you know, I watched,

1973
01:38:42,920 --> 01:38:46,519
Speaker 1: you know all the time. Another that episode dropped to

1974
01:38:46,560 --> 01:38:51,560
Speaker 1: cut you off now checking out. Another guy that I

1975
01:38:51,680 --> 01:38:53,880
Speaker 1: love that he that doesn't get a whole lot of

1976
01:38:53,960 --> 01:38:58,840
Speaker 1: credit is Devin Booker. I think Devin Booker is a problems.

1977
01:39:01,360 --> 01:39:03,720
Speaker 1: He's just on a bad team right now, you know

1978
01:39:03,760 --> 01:39:06,800
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But he he's a dude that I

1979
01:39:06,960 --> 01:39:08,960
Speaker 1: respect that I love. He can make He can he

1980
01:39:09,040 --> 01:39:10,840
Speaker 1: can make plays on and off the ball. He can

1981
01:39:10,880 --> 01:39:12,920
Speaker 1: come off pin downs. You know, he can impact the

1982
01:39:12,960 --> 01:39:15,640
Speaker 1: game in different ways. You know, just hopefully that you

1983
01:39:15,720 --> 01:39:18,120
Speaker 1: know they can get their act together in Phoenix and

1984
01:39:18,400 --> 01:39:21,679
Speaker 1: put him in winning situations. But he's another young young

1985
01:39:21,760 --> 01:39:24,479
Speaker 1: kid that you know, I love to watch. He's because

1986
01:39:24,520 --> 01:39:26,720
Speaker 1: he's Kobe s to me, He's got some code in

1987
01:39:26,800 --> 01:39:29,600
Speaker 1: him and he and he plays the right way. And

1988
01:39:29,720 --> 01:39:32,400
Speaker 1: the thing that I love about him is in the summertime,

1989
01:39:32,680 --> 01:39:35,400
Speaker 1: he looks for the guys that made All Star Game.

1990
01:39:35,439 --> 01:39:37,880
Speaker 1: He looks for the guys that are supposed to be

1991
01:39:37,960 --> 01:39:40,599
Speaker 1: the best guards in the NBA. And when you got

1992
01:39:40,680 --> 01:39:43,840
Speaker 1: guys like that, man, you I gotta rock out with him?

1993
01:39:44,200 --> 01:39:48,400
Speaker 1: Love it? President President Day player that you would love

1994
01:39:48,479 --> 01:39:54,000
Speaker 1: to play with? Oh Man? For me? For me, I

1995
01:39:54,080 --> 01:40:01,519
Speaker 1: would have to say Steph Curry, nice, I do I mean?

1996
01:40:01,680 --> 01:40:05,080
Speaker 1: Because you know I love what they're doing. Golden statement, Matt,

1997
01:40:05,360 --> 01:40:09,560
Speaker 1: you can you can test this, uh that when you

1998
01:40:09,680 --> 01:40:12,920
Speaker 1: got a guy like Steph the way he impacts the

1999
01:40:13,000 --> 01:40:16,920
Speaker 1: game without having the ball in his hand right, can

2000
01:40:17,000 --> 01:40:20,040
Speaker 1: play on and off the ball. Now you gotta pick

2001
01:40:20,160 --> 01:40:22,200
Speaker 1: him up, you know as soon as he comes past

2002
01:40:22,280 --> 01:40:25,080
Speaker 1: half court. You know, I would love to get an

2003
01:40:25,080 --> 01:40:28,040
Speaker 1: opportunity to play with another guy that moves off the

2004
01:40:28,120 --> 01:40:32,400
Speaker 1: ball similar to myself, because I when I that them

2005
01:40:32,520 --> 01:40:36,120
Speaker 1: them golden State teams that they had. Now you're playing

2006
01:40:36,160 --> 01:40:40,120
Speaker 1: against the team that have three guys that can move

2007
01:40:40,160 --> 01:40:45,439
Speaker 1: without the ball. Uh, you got Steph, you got Clay,

2008
01:40:45,600 --> 01:40:48,960
Speaker 1: and you got kd. Like, you can't guard that, you

2009
01:40:49,080 --> 01:40:52,040
Speaker 1: can't guard that, you can't trap that anybody on the floor.

2010
01:40:52,080 --> 01:40:55,639
Speaker 1: So I would have to say, Steph Curry, who should

2011
01:40:55,680 --> 01:40:57,800
Speaker 1: be our next guest? On all the smoke? Who do

2012
01:40:57,880 --> 01:40:59,880
Speaker 1: you think should be our next guest? And before you answer,

2013
01:41:00,040 --> 01:41:01,599
Speaker 1: it's like Jack said, if you give us a guest,

2014
01:41:01,640 --> 01:41:04,040
Speaker 1: you gotta plug it. We need to plug. Okay, go

2015
01:41:04,960 --> 01:41:09,800
Speaker 1: if me in my opinion because it's it's who fits.

2016
01:41:09,960 --> 01:41:13,760
Speaker 1: This is my guy, Raschi Wallace, Yes, we got we

2017
01:41:13,840 --> 01:41:17,840
Speaker 1: gotta get shape. I just I just did him and

2018
01:41:17,920 --> 01:41:20,160
Speaker 1: Bonds podcast. I just did that podcast shout out the

2019
01:41:20,200 --> 01:41:23,280
Speaker 1: Buds and Sheet take podcast. But we definitely gotta get

2020
01:41:23,320 --> 01:41:26,040
Speaker 1: sheet on it. And like Matt said too, I really

2021
01:41:26,120 --> 01:41:28,639
Speaker 1: think we should all get together and do that brawl

2022
01:41:28,680 --> 01:41:30,519
Speaker 1: sit down. I think that would be dope. No, that

2023
01:41:30,520 --> 01:41:33,040
Speaker 1: would be dope because now you you hear the back

2024
01:41:33,160 --> 01:41:36,840
Speaker 1: story on what guys were thinking during that time because

2025
01:41:36,880 --> 01:41:40,360
Speaker 1: we we all we all seen it and seen it

2026
01:41:40,439 --> 01:41:43,080
Speaker 1: totally differently. You know what I'm saying like it was

2027
01:41:43,120 --> 01:41:46,120
Speaker 1: stuff that was going on over there on y'all bench

2028
01:41:46,439 --> 01:41:48,639
Speaker 1: that I didn't even know what was going on until

2029
01:41:48,680 --> 01:41:52,000
Speaker 1: I watched it on the highlights on film, or or

2030
01:41:52,040 --> 01:41:53,439
Speaker 1: when they brought us in that room, when they did

2031
01:41:53,479 --> 01:41:56,599
Speaker 1: that investigation and they brought out all them different cameras

2032
01:41:56,920 --> 01:41:59,320
Speaker 1: and they showed you, showed everything that was going on.

2033
01:41:59,560 --> 01:42:01,479
Speaker 1: That would be I definitely think we need to sit down.

2034
01:42:01,520 --> 01:42:03,720
Speaker 1: You need I think the hardest person to probably get

2035
01:42:03,800 --> 01:42:06,080
Speaker 1: is gonna be Big Bid. So you were a big

2036
01:42:06,160 --> 01:42:08,240
Speaker 1: big We're gonna try to get jack side hell down.

2037
01:42:08,280 --> 01:42:10,120
Speaker 1: If you get big Big, we're gonna make that ship happen.

2038
01:42:10,360 --> 01:42:11,880
Speaker 1: I got you, I'll work on it. I might have

2039
01:42:11,960 --> 01:42:15,559
Speaker 1: to come in the headlock and I talked. I talked

2040
01:42:15,600 --> 01:42:17,559
Speaker 1: to being not too long ago, being man being down

2041
01:42:17,640 --> 01:42:19,559
Speaker 1: with You know, Bid is a one hundred brother dog

2042
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:22,000
Speaker 1: man we are and we all come come together. He

2043
01:42:22,120 --> 01:42:24,679
Speaker 1: definitely down with it. After the quarantine, man, we gotta

2044
01:42:24,720 --> 01:42:26,479
Speaker 1: make a show time. Bring all you guys out to

2045
01:42:26,600 --> 01:42:28,519
Speaker 1: l A. We sit out and definitely talk about that.

2046
01:42:29,080 --> 01:42:32,360
Speaker 1: That would be crazy. That would be crazy. That would

2047
01:42:32,360 --> 01:42:35,519
Speaker 1: be dope. Um artist a song you gotta repeat right now?

2048
01:42:36,760 --> 01:42:38,840
Speaker 1: Oh man, it's that. It's that Drake right now in

2049
01:42:38,880 --> 01:42:44,120
Speaker 1: that TUSI slide. Man, crazy, This is crib though. Man,

2050
01:42:44,840 --> 01:42:50,080
Speaker 1: that's crazy. God, you got the dance down. Man, Listen,

2051
01:42:50,120 --> 01:42:53,000
Speaker 1: I'm trying. I can't dues man. That's on my that's

2052
01:42:53,040 --> 01:42:55,400
Speaker 1: on my bucket list right now. I just I just

2053
01:42:55,520 --> 01:42:57,720
Speaker 1: started to TikTok man. So I'm gonna get out there

2054
01:42:57,720 --> 01:42:59,240
Speaker 1: and try to get out there and try it a

2055
01:42:59,320 --> 01:43:02,200
Speaker 1: little bit twist be doing that ship. I'm like, I'm six,

2056
01:43:02,280 --> 01:43:04,080
Speaker 1: they get out of here trying to get me to

2057
01:43:04,120 --> 01:43:06,599
Speaker 1: do that ship. I'm gonna giving a shot to watch.

2058
01:43:07,760 --> 01:43:11,920
Speaker 1: I'm a little crazy though. That's what's up? Quarantine? Quarantine?

2059
01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:16,280
Speaker 1: What you bits watching? Oh man? For me? Uh a

2060
01:43:16,400 --> 01:43:20,639
Speaker 1: few shows Netflix? Man, that all American show of course.

2061
01:43:20,840 --> 01:43:29,280
Speaker 1: That's been watching that too. That's dope Ozark, yes, and

2062
01:43:29,400 --> 01:43:33,479
Speaker 1: my and my other one is uh Narcos Mexico. Yeah,

2063
01:43:34,960 --> 01:43:39,519
Speaker 1: it's crazy. No, that's that's insane right now. Man, I

2064
01:43:39,680 --> 01:43:42,080
Speaker 1: watched all that in the first two days it came out.

2065
01:43:42,080 --> 01:43:44,320
Speaker 1: I've been watching that. So I got to drop on

2066
01:43:44,479 --> 01:43:47,160
Speaker 1: Norcos because I worked with someone in another business that

2067
01:43:47,240 --> 01:43:49,519
Speaker 1: does the merch for Norcos. So Norcos is gonna start

2068
01:43:49,560 --> 01:43:51,479
Speaker 1: going around the world and kind of making it almost

2069
01:43:51,520 --> 01:43:54,080
Speaker 1: a franchise for the next Norcos is gonna be. I

2070
01:43:54,200 --> 01:43:56,760
Speaker 1: can't say it's gonna be so dope, but like get

2071
01:43:56,800 --> 01:43:58,920
Speaker 1: your mind that it's just Mexico. So they have it

2072
01:43:59,040 --> 01:44:00,840
Speaker 1: like Norcos or they want to like highlight just the

2073
01:44:00,880 --> 01:44:04,560
Speaker 1: biggest drug dealers in different parts of the world. The

2074
01:44:04,640 --> 01:44:06,960
Speaker 1: next one they got coming out is about to be cold.

2075
01:44:07,360 --> 01:44:10,880
Speaker 1: But hey, what a coincidence you have to drop on

2076
01:44:11,040 --> 01:44:17,800
Speaker 1: our codes I give us. I know trying, you're trying

2077
01:44:17,800 --> 01:44:21,000
Speaker 1: to be on set. I'm trying to see you see

2078
01:44:21,080 --> 01:44:23,240
Speaker 1: Quevo and them, got queto on them, got a spot

2079
01:44:23,320 --> 01:44:24,840
Speaker 1: And that's why I said, I said, definitely, bring me on.

2080
01:44:25,400 --> 01:44:27,240
Speaker 1: I definitely play a little role on I don't even

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Speaker 1: like to act, but bring me on nor too. Man, Hey,

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Speaker 1: Jack telling you gotta get us on set. Yeah, we

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Speaker 1: got got the Amazon there. Last thing, quarantine snack. I

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Speaker 1: know you like to stay in shape, but what's your

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Speaker 1: what's your bench snack right now? Oh my goodness, man, dude,

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Speaker 1: trust me, yeah we all do right now. Chocolate cookies. Man,

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I made something other that listen, and

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Speaker 1: they ought to be home made, homemade oh my good.

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Speaker 1: Listen as soon as they get up, as soon as

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Speaker 1: soon as they get out the oven. Oh man, I

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Speaker 1: might eat a whole trade of them quite just kept

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Speaker 1: before they go in the oven. Before they go in

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Speaker 1: the oven, I have because to mind, man, they always

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Speaker 1: a one. Jack sent me something dog I can microwaves.

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Speaker 1: I got you, boy, I'll put him to the test.

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Speaker 1: Last segment right here before we let you go, as

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Speaker 1: Jack has a begging segment. So Jack, what you want

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Speaker 1: to ask Rip for? What you want to beg for?

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Speaker 1: My guy? Man? Uh, you know, I really wasn't prepared

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Speaker 1: for begging segment today. I was just excided to talk

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Speaker 1: to my brother, like I wanted to say again, you know,

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Speaker 1: we had a man. Rip was real real close. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, I be can't real close with a

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Speaker 1: lot of his friends. Some of his friends with Coach

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Speaker 1: Bill still be dm me from deming from time to time.

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Speaker 1: But it was just good to actually get on get

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Speaker 1: on the get on the on the show, Get you

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Speaker 1: on the show, and they talked to you about the

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Speaker 1: McDonald's games and stuff. Conversation that I always wanted to

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Speaker 1: have with you, but I can't really wait to have you.

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Speaker 1: It's on set so we can really dig deep into

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Speaker 1: some things that you know that we both got in

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Speaker 1: comment from our lives. Dope, dope, I wish I wishot.

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Speaker 1: It came to the office in l A with y'all. Man,

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Speaker 1: you say we're gonna get it. I got you, man, Jack.

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Speaker 1: That's family. Now your family too though all the way

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Speaker 1: one hunted. Thank you man, well Man, that's a rap.

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Speaker 1: Special guest Rip Hamilton's on our episode today, Jack, hell

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Speaker 1: of a show. We appreciate your time anytime, any time.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. You can catch us a showtime, Basketball, YouTube

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Speaker 1: are all platforms, streaming, podcasts, all of them. It's something

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Speaker 1: about how this place form is a different kind of person.

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Speaker 1: On my high school team, we have five guys make

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Speaker 1: the NBA. We had the County Rock Act. You mentioned

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Speaker 1: Prince Short's County. People know what it's about. It's the

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Speaker 1: meta of basketball. There are those who have come before us,

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Speaker 1: upon whose shoulders we stand. We're here for this area.

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Speaker 1: You have to have tough scarre The gym became a

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Speaker 1: thank you eg County guys provide buckets for America. It's

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Speaker 1: Prince Georgian tacks a lot of power about of character.

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Speaker 1: It's nothing that you can do to stop that competitive

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Speaker 1: and we're pushing the community and the culture forward. There's

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Speaker 1: just in the water. This life was all I ever wanted.

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Speaker 1: I'm not leaving, not yet. I was hoping. It's say

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Speaker 1: that you gotta hit the streets, make some money. Pable

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Speaker 1: like us, let's destroy poble like him. Buckle up, get

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