1 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: Welcome to Securing America with me, Frank Affney, the program 2 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: that's a kind of owner's manual for protecting the country 3 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:34,239 Speaker 1: we love against all enemies foreign and domestic, to the 4 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: glory of God and his Kingdom. We have a very 5 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: special treat in store for you at this end of 6 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: year time. We are going to take stock on a 7 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: part of the world that we touch on from time 8 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: to time, but not often enough, honestly, and certainly not 9 00:00:54,240 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: with the kind of extraordinarily high quality guest that we 10 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: have with us for this purpose, for this hour long 11 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: exploration of hemispheric security, how secure is our hemisphere and 12 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 1: in particular secure for American vital interests. The man who 13 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 1: has volunteered to spend an hour with us walking us 14 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: through all of this is a friend of now many years. 15 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: We have not had a chance to talk with him 16 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 1: in a frightfully long time, but we are delighted to 17 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: reconnect with Francisco to Della, he is a man of 18 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: extreme accomplishment. In his native nation of Peru, he served 19 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: as the country's vice president, as its foreign minister, as 20 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: its ambassador. As I recall to the United Nations, he 21 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: has been at the very forefront of policymaking and in 22 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: particular national security thought in that strategically vital nation. 23 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 2: For decades. 24 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: He was the highest ranking member of the government taken 25 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: hostage for a time by the Shining Path gorillas, and amazingly, 26 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: thanks to intrepid work by the armed forces of his 27 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: country under its previous and somewhat controversial president, he escaped 28 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: with his life, as did the other hostages, and has 29 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: lived to carry on. It is an honor to have 30 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: him with us to discuss topics of great mutual interest 31 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 1: and to say once again welcome to my friend, Bancho, 32 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: to delamare, and a happy new Year to you, my friend. 33 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: I pray it will be. 34 00:02:55,680 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 3: One yes, a happy new year, and we hope it 35 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 3: would be a fantastic year for the United States and 36 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 3: for Latin America because things are changing, and we have 37 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 3: several electoral processes going on in Latin America in twenty 38 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 3: twenty six, and we hope that the trend of repealing 39 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 3: the socialists done place and changing them for central right 40 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 3: or right way administrations goes on. Because what we need 41 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 3: is free market, personal freedoms and decision to act against 42 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 3: the enemies of society and the state, and I think 43 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 3: that twenty twenty six there will be a very fruitful 44 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 3: year in that sense. 45 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: Well, let's explore why that might be so. And I 46 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: pray you're right, of course in part and I wanted 47 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: to start our conversation with you on this premise that 48 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: under President Trump, for the first time really in memory, 49 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 1: the United States government is paying serious attention to what 50 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: he's described as hemispheric security. As you know, he's made 51 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: it a prominent feature of his new national security strategy. 52 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: He has been not simply talking the talk, but walking 53 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: the walk, in particular with respect even as well, and 54 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 1: will come to that in a moment, But just for 55 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 1: the purposes of a level setting, Francisco, does the emphasis 56 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: that is now being placed by President Trump's administration on 57 00:04:55,120 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: the hemisphere UH engender a level of support and an 58 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:13,359 Speaker 1: embrace shall we say, by governments in the region, or 59 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 1: are they, you know, responding to it with the kind 60 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: of uh displeasure shall we say that has often met 61 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 1: with American involvement in the hemisphere in the past. 62 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 3: Well, I would say that that it has drawn attention 63 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 3: from the governments of the region. It's that considered a 64 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 3: very important and positive shift in not only the US 65 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 3: foreign policy, but in US geopolitics because geopolitics, American geopolitics 66 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 3: were until now Atlantic centric. But the real challenges to 67 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 3: the US are in the Pacific, not in the Atlantic anymore. 68 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:14,039 Speaker 3: And the Cold War, of course, it was the Atlantic 69 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 3: centric view that was predominant. That has changed. So now 70 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:26,359 Speaker 3: Latin America is in the strategic front line, with the 71 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 3: Indo Pacific in front of it, and French Polynesia and 72 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 3: Guam and part of Indonesia and Australia and New Zealand 73 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 3: in the Southern Pacific. The Southern and Northern Pacific have 74 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 3: been united geopolitically by the expansion expansion of China as 75 00:06:51,720 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 3: a commercial power and also a strategic power looking for 76 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 3: his furs of influence and geopolitical points or levers in 77 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 3: this continent. So the document that the White House released 78 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 3: on December fourth on National Security Strategy changes completely to 79 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 3: the international position of the US in a certain way. 80 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 3: President Trup is seeking a solution to the Ukrainian War, 81 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 3: sold that the Europeans can find themselves once peace is established, 82 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 3: because they are in trouble. They are in trouble due 83 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 3: to the European Union. They are in trouble economically with 84 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 3: huge deficits. They are culturally problem due to immigration and 85 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 3: due to a loss of identity. And that is clearly 86 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 3: signaled in the White House document, and so Europe has to. 87 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: Be it has been called civilization erasure again. 88 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 3: So the first priority for the US is the unity 89 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 3: of the Western hemisphere. And that is logically logic from 90 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 3: a cultural standpoint, and that has been understood, understood or 91 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 3: the hemisphere because there was a kind of resentment from 92 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 3: the era of globalization in the nineteen nineties up to 93 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 3: the Trump administration saying the US has forgotten us, We 94 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 3: are not a factor in the policy, the foreign policy 95 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 3: of the US. That has radically changed because the US 96 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 3: has realized, as did Nicholas spike Man in the Second 97 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 3: World Wars, your politician in the Pentagon and the State Department, 98 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:15,559 Speaker 3: that Latin America, South America as a as as a 99 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 3: unity is vital to the survivor of a whole continent, 100 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 3: from the North poor to the particle. 101 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: All the thought the West. As mister Vice President, stand 102 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: by one second, we'd be right back with more with 103 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: Francisco right after this. H welcome back. We are visiting 104 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: for this four hour with one of the great statesmen 105 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: of our time, a man who has served in his 106 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: native land of Peru at the highest levels and done 107 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: so with considerable effect. He has been a great friend 108 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: of America and a champion of freedom more generally, both 109 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: in his own country and throughout the Western Hemisphere, and 110 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: truly around the world as well. His name is Francisco Tadella. 111 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 1: He is a former vice president foreign minister, and you 112 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: an ambassador of his nation of Peru. And we catch 113 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 1: up with him at a moment at the end of 114 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five when well stock taking about what has 115 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: been happening since Donald Trump came to office in course 116 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 1: of his second presidency and what might be coming next 117 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: in terms of hemispheric security. 118 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 2: And Francisco, I hated to have to interrupt you. 119 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: We just we're hard out of time, but you're making 120 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 1: the point that American security interests in those of the 121 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: hemisphere are inextricably intertwined. And a place where President Trump 122 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: is asserting that very directly at the moment, as you know, 123 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: is Venezuela. And I'd be very interested in your thoughts 124 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: as to both the nature of the problem he's trying 125 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: to address there it turns out the government is really 126 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 1: just an arco trafficking cartel on an epic scale. But 127 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: what it means both for our own vital interests here 128 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: in the United States, and you know your country among 129 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: others in the region as well, and where we go 130 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: from here? 131 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 3: As you say, answer, well, I would to say that first, 132 00:11:55,880 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 3: I'd define what is South America. South America is part 133 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 3: of the Western world since the sixteenth century. That's very 134 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 3: important to understand. It's a Christian continent that has a 135 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 3: Western language. It might have cultural diversities, but essentially Europe, 136 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 3: the US, Canada, and South America Mexico are the Western World. 137 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 3: It's not Asia, it's not a Middle East. It's South Africa. 138 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 3: We work under the same categories as Westerners. We want democracy, 139 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 3: we want the rule of law, we want free trade, 140 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:44,679 Speaker 3: we want personal freedom and initiative. We want to invent 141 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 3: we Peru its a case of fantastic macroeconomic stability in 142 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 3: the last two decades, even through very bad governments, but 143 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 3: it has withstood the test. And Venezuela in that sense, 144 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 3: is an anomay in the continent. It's an anomay not 145 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 3: only because it has centralized as a territory of thebunity, 146 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 3: the action of the great cartels like the Cartel Vermelo 147 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 3: of Brazil or the dissident Fark of Colombia, but also 148 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:33,199 Speaker 3: international cartels that work in connection with the Cartel of 149 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 3: the Solis of the Venezuelan generals for drug trafficking ventanyl, 150 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 3: et cetera. But I would say that that is a 151 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 3: huge problem, but parallel to another problem of great importance, 152 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 3: And that parallel problem is that Venezuela, like Cuba, are 153 00:13:56,360 --> 00:14:02,319 Speaker 3: alien and gloves in the Americas in the Western hemisphere 154 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 3: due to the presence of China, of Russia and Iran. 155 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 3: Iran has a very strong presence in Venezuela. In the 156 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 3: times of Chavis and armanide Jad, the Iranians built a 157 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 3: factory for munitions in Venezuela for the Venezuelan Army. And 158 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 3: at the inauguration of that factory, Armani the Jad said 159 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 3: to Chavis his speech, two revolutions meet in Venezuela. So 160 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 3: it's an anti Western revolution of the Iranian regime, the 161 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 3: deocratic Islamic regime of Iran. Islam is It's it's irreductible, 162 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 3: even if we tend to make distinctions between let's say 163 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 3: Turkey and and the more radical Gulf States or Iran. 164 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 3: In fact, Islam in general is irreductible, and so that 165 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 3: Islamic presence in Venezuela is very disturbing. The Cuban control 166 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 3: over Venezuela is also very disturbing. Disturbing because Cuba is 167 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 3: a Russian acid in the Caribbean. And when President Trump 168 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 3: says the Gulf of America instead of the Gulf of Mexico, 169 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 3: of course that brings a kind of skeptical spirit in 170 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 3: Latin America because the Gulf of Mexico it's its geographical 171 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 3: name since the sixteenth century. But anyway, the concept is 172 00:15:53,280 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 3: very clear. With Venezuela in the hands of dructures Africas 173 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 3: and Cubans and the backers in Moscow and in Beijing 174 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 3: and in Tehran. What is happening is that our boundaries 175 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 3: are penetrated by these states, and so the military displayed, 176 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 3: and more than display, I would say, preparations that are 177 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 3: being made by the US in the Caribbean are indispensaful 178 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 3: to put pleasure, to put an end to that regime 179 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 3: and to be able to return Venezuela to its Latin 180 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 3: American tradition. We had our independence wars at the beginning 181 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 3: of the nineteenth century and we opted for the same 182 00:16:54,880 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 3: political system and the US. So we are democracies. We 183 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 3: have a republican vocation. Even when we've had dictatorships, they 184 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 3: always said that they were dictatorships, but in the name 185 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 3: of democracy. So, in fact, the concept, and that is 186 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 3: very important. The cultural concept of republicanism, of democracy, of 187 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 3: free trade, of personal freedom is irreda. You cannot eradicate 188 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 3: that from the mind of Latin Americans. What we have 189 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 3: to do is work those concepts in a cultural war 190 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 3: against these alien powers and its accomplices in the continent 191 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 3: to be able to build as the national security the 192 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 3: strategy released by the White House says to build stable 193 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:03,400 Speaker 3: and well governed societies in all our countries. 194 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:06,120 Speaker 1: Okay, so let me ask you, how do you get 195 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: there from here in a place like Venezuela. 196 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:15,360 Speaker 3: Well, I think we are. There are all these new concepts. 197 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 3: It's not anymore low intensity warfare. It's hybrid of warfare. 198 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:26,959 Speaker 3: And that means that you use civilian elements. That is 199 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 3: the position pressure over the government. Economic geo economics in 200 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 3: the sense that you cut off the flow of oil, 201 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 3: and that means cutting off the income of Venezuela. You're 202 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 3: at the same time that you blockade Venezuela, you are 203 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 3: blocated in Cuba. And that's very important. Even if Mexico 204 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 3: has diminished its support of Cuba in the sense of 205 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 3: the amount of oil she says to Cuba uh every week, 206 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 3: the fact is that that Cuba has been located simultaneously 207 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 3: with Venezuela. And what the US I think could intervene 208 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 3: if there was an insurrection in Venezuela. And that's the 209 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 3: true fact. 210 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 2: Hold that thought. 211 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:27,360 Speaker 1: So that's where we need to pick up on is 212 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 1: if there is some sort of disturbance, might be United 213 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:33,120 Speaker 1: States intervened or might it help. 214 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 2: Create that disturbance. 215 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:39,159 Speaker 1: It's more Francisco to Della. 216 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:40,360 Speaker 2: On the other side of this very short. 217 00:19:40,119 --> 00:20:04,439 Speaker 1: Break, Welcome back, an especial welcome once again to our 218 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:09,679 Speaker 1: guests for this full hour and most distinguished statesmen hailing 219 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:16,679 Speaker 1: from Peru, but with a vision of truly global perspective 220 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:21,640 Speaker 1: about freedom and the threats to it that we're facing, 221 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: particularly in the Western Hemisphere at the moment, but truly globally, 222 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 1: including here inside the United States. 223 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 2: The last. 224 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: His name is Francisco Tadella. He has served his country 225 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 1: with great distinction in a variety of important capacities, notably 226 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: as the country's vice president, also as its foreign minister, 227 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: and this has informed, I think the perspective that we're 228 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: drawing upon for this very interesting hour of well assessing 229 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: where we are with respect to hemispheric security a priority 230 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 1: for President Trump, rightly so, and where we go from 231 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: here in twenty twenty six and punscha, we were obliged 232 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: to interrupt you there again. I apologize, but you were 233 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 1: talking about Venezuela and the possibility of an insurrection in 234 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: that country, and I think you were just tying things 235 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,439 Speaker 1: off with a comment that maybe the United States is 236 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 1: helping to engender it. Walk us through what that looks like. 237 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:35,880 Speaker 1: We're very anxious many Americans are about getting embroiled in 238 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: ground wars anywhere. Is that what's in prospect? Do you 239 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: think if the United States does help in an insurgency? 240 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 3: I think the US has had been to build pressure 241 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 3: to make the government of Venezuela, in part to overturned 242 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 3: that government, and the overturning of that government needs to 243 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 3: be done by the Venezuelans, and so that's very clear. 244 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 3: Of course, once that happens, the US can support that 245 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 3: insurrection at certain points, and it can also do as 246 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 3: happened with the nuclear program of Iran or with the 247 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 3: Hooties in Yemen. It can strike specific targets where the 248 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 3: high leadership of this narco state are conced. So there 249 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 3: are several actions of special forces, of intelligence, operations of 250 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 3: precise chological strikes can be done. 251 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: But the big charge in the Cubans. The Cubans are 252 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: of course central to keep saying. 253 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 4: The organized Venezuela, for its offense, for its political tyranny, 254 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 4: for all its systems of security and intelligence. 255 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 3: So they would have to be hit, that's the fact. 256 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:23,439 Speaker 1: And to the extent that this is all against the 257 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: backdrop of an illegitimate government in the case of Maduro's regime, 258 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 1: and there was overwhelming support for his opponents in the 259 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: last election there. This insurgency is essentially an opportunity to 260 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: bring a legitimate government to power. But the role of 261 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: the United States and doing that is essentially simply, in 262 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 1: other words, that we're looking at putting into place conditions 263 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 1: under which the people of Venezuela are able to have 264 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 1: the government they elected, not the government that has been. 265 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 2: Misruling them for decades. Is that not basically how you 266 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 2: see this? 267 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 3: Yes, because in two thousand and one, we all the US, 268 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 3: all all South American countries, we signed the Democratic Charter. 269 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 3: And the Democratic Charter is a document that's establishes that 270 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 3: our governments must be democratic and free. So Venezuela is 271 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 3: an anominee. It's a dictatorship in our continent that has 272 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 3: chosen voluntarily at the beginning of the twenty first century 273 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 3: to opt for one system of government, which is democracy 274 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 3: in the Republican system. And Venezuela is a dictatorship. And 275 00:24:54,680 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 3: there is a legitimate government of Venezuela. 276 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:01,880 Speaker 2: And so. 277 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 3: The action that the US is taken in international waters 278 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 3: is an action of support of that legitimate government against 279 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 3: the drug operations of the government of Venezuela and against 280 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 3: it supplies through its dark fleet of oil to Cuba, 281 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 3: its connection with the Iran. They have this fleet, dark 282 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:44,159 Speaker 3: fleet like the Russians have of oil tankers that are 283 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:49,680 Speaker 3: now being intercepted, and they avoid now going to Venezuela. 284 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 3: And that the price of Venezuela of cash. So it's survival. 285 00:25:55,760 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 3: It's an oil exporting country. Its survival ends on its 286 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 3: capacity of its exports, and oil it's its main export. 287 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 3: So what the US is doing is to help the 288 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 3: legitimate government of Venezuela who is in exile. As it 289 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 3: happened in the Second World War, you had a French 290 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 3: government in London, you had a Dutch government in London, 291 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera, a Polish government, and they were 292 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 3: legitimate governments against the Nazi occupation of Europe is exactly 293 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,400 Speaker 3: the same figure. It's exactly that's what happened. 294 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,160 Speaker 1: So another factor in all of this, and I want 295 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: you to explain in your own country as well as 296 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: Venezuela and other parts of Latin America, is the communist 297 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: Chinese and the role that they've been playing economically, of 298 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: course most prominently, but also building out infrastructure and otherwise 299 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:07,679 Speaker 1: propping up tyrants like Maduro with oil purchases and the like. 300 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: Talk a little bit about what China is up to, 301 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:17,159 Speaker 1: including in Peru, and how it plays into this effort 302 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 1: of the presidents to achieve hemispheric security. 303 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:28,400 Speaker 3: Well, China is not interested particularly in democracy. China is 304 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 3: not interested in in in but it's not interested in 305 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 3: republican government because they are a totalitarian single party government. 306 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:46,640 Speaker 3: They are still Marxist Leninist. They consider a crime private 307 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:52,399 Speaker 3: private ownership of the press. They consider a crime any 308 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 3: association of civil society. That's document not number nine, internal 309 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 3: document of a Communist Party of China of twenty thirteen. 310 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 3: They consider a crime to propose free elections, a crime 311 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 3: against the Communist Party of China and the Chinese people, 312 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:22,400 Speaker 3: the document says, And they have this global Civilization initiative 313 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:27,160 Speaker 3: that Shiji being released on twenty twenty three. And then 314 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 3: they say whether there are universal values, but each civilization 315 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 3: makes an interpretation of that as they please. That means 316 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 3: that their interpretation of universal values is dictatorship. Well, that's 317 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 3: not interpretation of Americas. We have a different thought about that. 318 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 3: But the Chinese are interested essentially in the economics, in 319 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 3: geogonomic and class They are interested in interpretation through trade, 320 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 3: through utilities, public utilities, ports, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. 321 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 3: And they have built the first port in Latin America 322 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 3: and grew that is this port of Changkai. And that 323 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 3: in a certain sense waked up the US about the 324 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 3: importance of the western habits because the big contest of 325 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 3: the twenty first century is between China and the US 326 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 3: in the Pacific. And it is not only in the 327 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 3: North Pacific, as was the case in the twentieth century 328 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 3: during the Cold War, but now also in the South Pacific, 329 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 3: where you have Australia, New Zealand, the coast of Latin America, 330 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 3: the US some more are gua great part of Indonesia, 331 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So the Southern Pacific, 332 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 3: the inter Pacific, and the western coast of America are 333 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 3: now a main strategic interest of the US. That's why 334 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 3: the document of the White House the first priority is 335 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:28,719 Speaker 3: the Western Hemisphere. And now President Trump has proposed to 336 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 3: Peru to be an ally and non NATO ally of 337 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 3: the US. Why because Peru is the third largest country 338 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 3: in Latin America. It's twice the size of Texas. It 339 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 3: has around five hundred thousand square miles. It is a 340 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 3: huge country. It has a big operation, thirty five million. 341 00:30:52,000 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 3: Five boundaries important boundaries that are politically an ideologically vital 342 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 3: with Ecuador, Nabia, Brazil, Bolivia and Chile. What happens in 343 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 3: Buru impacts in the whole region. It's a country that 344 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 3: has a prominent position in fisheries. It's the second largest 345 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 3: fishing nation in copper. In all strategic metals and rare. 346 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 1: All vitally important issues. We're going to come back to 347 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: them in a moment, including a your ports one owned 348 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 1: by China. 349 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 2: Right after this, stay tuned. 350 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: Back, and we are continuing this fascinating conversation about a 351 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 1: part of the world that, frankly some call our backyard. 352 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 1: I think of it as our front yard. It is 353 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 1: vital to the security as well as the economy of 354 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 1: the United States that we understand and be addressing appropriately 355 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 1: the dynamic forces at work in Latin America, and as 356 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 1: our guest for Vice President, Francisco Tudella Peru has been 357 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 1: pointing out, there are elements of those dynamic forces, including 358 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 1: some from outside our hemisphere, that are playing a very 359 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 1: important and increasingly dangerous role in it. And one of 360 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,959 Speaker 1: the reasons why President Trump's attention to hemispheric security is 361 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 1: so warranted and well, frankly long overdue, is the wanted 362 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 1: violation of something going back to the earliest days of 363 00:32:55,960 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 1: our republic or the Monroe doctrine, notably, not exclusively by any. 364 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 2: Means, but notably by. 365 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 1: The Chinese Communist Party, and mister Vice President, you talked 366 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 1: a moment ago about the extent to which these vast 367 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 1: resources and credible assets, if you will, territorial among other 368 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: things of your nation have been well increasingly subject to 369 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 1: exploitation and certainly penetration by the Chinese Communists. Give us 370 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 1: a sense of just as an example a port. You 371 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 1: mentioned how the Southern Pacific is now very important strategically. 372 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,959 Speaker 1: That's in part because of a port that I'm told, 373 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 1: I think by you in the past is not only 374 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 1: sized but evidently configured by the Chinese to accommodate their 375 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 1: carrier battle groups, port called chang Khai on your west coast. 376 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 1: Talk a little bit about that port, talk about the 377 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 1: ownership of the port, talk about the potential use of 378 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 1: the port, and how, for example, the government of Peru 379 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,360 Speaker 1: sees all of this at a moment when the president 380 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 1: is talking about it becoming a major non NATO USR, it's. 381 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 3: A make up poort, a very big boat that has 382 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 3: Chinese and Peruviant capitals, but the Chinese have a majority. 383 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:48,799 Speaker 3: It's the first port that China has built. In the Americas, 384 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:55,359 Speaker 3: they operate several boats through concessions, but this poort is 385 00:34:55,400 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 3: the one they have built for themselves. The idea is 386 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:07,799 Speaker 3: that the super Panamax container ships three can make a 387 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 3: direct route to China of twenty one days, shortening the 388 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 3: time lapse that is used to cross the Panama Canal 389 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,480 Speaker 3: and then go to China. So, in fact, and at 390 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 3: the same time, it's like conduct that has been put 391 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:37,440 Speaker 3: against the richest mountain range in South America, because the 392 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:42,319 Speaker 3: Peruvian Andes, the South African Rand and the Europes in 393 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:47,880 Speaker 3: Russia are the three richest mountain ranges in the world. 394 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 3: We produce everything, and so this spot might have in 395 00:35:56,080 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 3: a more conflictive scenario also are used because it's a 396 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:05,960 Speaker 3: deep board and a task force. A Chinese tax force 397 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 3: could use support easily. But at the same time we 398 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:16,839 Speaker 3: have to realize the fact that China is not interested. 399 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:22,160 Speaker 3: If the government is the Bruian government is tyrannical, or 400 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 3: is democratic or is whatever, they are not interested in politics. 401 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:33,760 Speaker 3: They are interested in economic power and through economic power 402 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:39,759 Speaker 3: to have diplomatic control over the country. That has not happened. 403 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:45,759 Speaker 3: The reaction of the Bruian government to the national security 404 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 3: strategy of the US has been very positive. Our foreign minister, 405 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 3: who said has just been in Washington and had a 406 00:36:54,640 --> 00:37:02,840 Speaker 3: fantastic conversation with the Secretion Dario State, Marco Rouvio, and 407 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,799 Speaker 3: the Minister of the Fence the day before yesterday of 408 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:14,920 Speaker 3: Pu said that the US is a partner of choice 409 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:19,760 Speaker 3: for Poo. And so what that means is that people 410 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:27,319 Speaker 3: are aware that we cannot relinquish our independence. We are 411 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:32,239 Speaker 3: an independent country and we are interested in maintaining that 412 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:39,239 Speaker 3: independence and sovereignty through our republican and democratic system. And 413 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,480 Speaker 3: that means that we can trade with China, of course, 414 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:48,440 Speaker 3: but we must not let them control our future. 415 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,719 Speaker 1: And that means ask you this, sir, if I may, 416 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,359 Speaker 1: because this is really the crux of the matter, is 417 00:37:55,400 --> 00:38:00,440 Speaker 1: that where the Chinese have gone with their Belton Road initiative, 418 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:08,120 Speaker 1: including in Peru, is to create infrastructure. I think, in 419 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:12,800 Speaker 1: the case of Peru, not only extensive mines and ports 420 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:23,560 Speaker 1: and electric grids, but effectively establishing a means of controlling 421 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 1: the country. Is that of concern in Peru and is 422 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:32,920 Speaker 1: the United States now a potential ally of choice in partners? 423 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,080 Speaker 1: Response to that. 424 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,960 Speaker 3: Is it is of great concern, but we have to 425 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:49,480 Speaker 3: take into account that they have an non competitive advantage, 426 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:55,719 Speaker 3: the Chinese, and that is that the that the corporations 427 00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,800 Speaker 3: may take a decision, the CEOs may take a decision, 428 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:05,640 Speaker 3: but it has the backing of the Politburo of the 429 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:09,480 Speaker 3: Chinese government. So if the Chinese government wants to have 430 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:14,080 Speaker 3: infrastructure in any country Latin America, and they have to 431 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,840 Speaker 3: pay three times the price to have it, they will 432 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:19,279 Speaker 3: because the Chinese. 433 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:24,080 Speaker 1: Will will be right back with what the implications are 434 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,000 Speaker 1: of that for the US cannot read that as well 435 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:28,719 Speaker 1: as interests. 436 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,239 Speaker 2: Hold on, We'll be right back, so stated. 437 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:49,800 Speaker 3: Mhm H. 438 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:56,280 Speaker 1: Welcome back. We're now, unbelievably so quickly at the final 439 00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,680 Speaker 1: installment of this very important conversation with one of Latin 440 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:05,839 Speaker 1: matter as leading statesman, a man of uncommon insight and expertise. 441 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,160 Speaker 1: Francisco Tudela is his name. He has served in a 442 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:15,480 Speaker 1: number of senior positions in his nation's government, including that 443 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:22,280 Speaker 1: a Vice president, foreign minister, and your ambassador, mister Vice President. 444 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:27,719 Speaker 1: We've been talking about China. We've been talking about communism. 445 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,880 Speaker 1: We've been talking about efforts to suppress freedom in the 446 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:36,200 Speaker 1: region and how it's given rise to an increasing imperative 447 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:41,719 Speaker 1: of well hemispheric security for the United States government, and 448 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,719 Speaker 1: to Donald Trump's credit, he is making clear this is 449 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:50,480 Speaker 1: indeed something he intends to attend to. 450 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:53,319 Speaker 2: Long overdue. 451 00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:59,520 Speaker 1: China is, however, as you say, positioned in a number 452 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:06,400 Speaker 1: of countries, including yours, to exercise considerable influence, if not 453 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,840 Speaker 1: out like control, thanks to the investments that it is 454 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:16,120 Speaker 1: made to date and infrastructure and so on. Is it 455 00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:23,440 Speaker 1: possible to free countries like yours from those sorts of 456 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,560 Speaker 1: influences and Chinese control. 457 00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:35,880 Speaker 3: More generally, it's possible to balance those investments to counterbalance them. 458 00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:41,719 Speaker 3: What's the difference. The difference is that Chinese companies are 459 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:46,040 Speaker 3: public owned companies, the big ones like the case of 460 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:51,279 Speaker 3: Costco Shipment that owns the majority in chan Gai, and 461 00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:56,239 Speaker 3: so they have public resources to buy things. And the 462 00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:02,400 Speaker 3: same happens with Sugang, with iron or or the other companies, 463 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,560 Speaker 3: or three gorgs and the mining companies that are in 464 00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:11,479 Speaker 3: brew or in Brazil. Why the Chinese employ fourteen million braziliens. 465 00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:16,400 Speaker 3: And the fact is that that you the difference is 466 00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:20,080 Speaker 3: that an American CEO, if the President of the United 467 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:26,000 Speaker 3: States asks, let's say a construction American company to invest 468 00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,800 Speaker 3: in brew they will make their numbers and say no, 469 00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:36,880 Speaker 3: mis a President, it doesn't fit and I have to 470 00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:42,200 Speaker 3: respond to my shareholders, and so we can do this. 471 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:47,319 Speaker 3: The Chinese don't have that limitation. So the UNICE has 472 00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:54,640 Speaker 3: to find the areas, the corporation areas, the investment areas 473 00:42:54,680 --> 00:43:00,319 Speaker 3: in which they can get into the Western hemisphere and 474 00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:05,400 Speaker 3: the South American continents, and that is very important. There 475 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:10,200 Speaker 3: is a huge ghost line. It's almost two thousand miles long. 476 00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:18,480 Speaker 3: There are twenty ghostline and there are great strategic opportunities 477 00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:22,280 Speaker 3: for American investments, but they have to be studied. 478 00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:30,400 Speaker 1: Yes, so they and so yes as president, let me 479 00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:39,200 Speaker 1: conclude this very important conversation by talking about some positive developments. 480 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:38,879 Speaker 2: In our hemisphere. 481 00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:44,040 Speaker 1: You've been following them closely. Some involve your own country, 482 00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,600 Speaker 1: for that matter. But talk a little bit about changes 483 00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:51,920 Speaker 1: in government that are moving to the right and what 484 00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,839 Speaker 1: that might portend for well, our security interests as well 485 00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,840 Speaker 1: as those of the people most immediately involved. 486 00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:07,200 Speaker 3: Well, the left has has made a mess of the 487 00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:12,440 Speaker 3: countries they have ruled. The follows. Sal Paulo is discredited. 488 00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:17,920 Speaker 3: One must never underestimate the Left. They are a real danger. 489 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,080 Speaker 3: They will forever be a real danger, but now they 490 00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:25,520 Speaker 3: are discredited, they don't have forced After the Castille administration, 491 00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:30,839 Speaker 3: if improved, nobody wants to hear about left. The same 492 00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,719 Speaker 3: has happened in Bolivia and Rodrigo Paz has been elected 493 00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:41,799 Speaker 3: and he has made a huge shift abandoned the socialist 494 00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:48,120 Speaker 3: policies of Arsa and Morales. The same happens in Argentina 495 00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:52,640 Speaker 3: with Milay, in Chile with hos Antonio Caste that has 496 00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:57,440 Speaker 3: been elected with a huge majority, because people are fed 497 00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:04,640 Speaker 3: up of socialism regard governments and of the permiss university, 498 00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:09,880 Speaker 3: the permitting immigration. Because we have a problem in that. 499 00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:18,120 Speaker 3: In America, the Maduro regime has created a massive emigration 500 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:23,120 Speaker 3: from Venezuela. We in Peru have one million and a 501 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:29,280 Speaker 3: half Venezuelans Venezuela migrants, a million of them in Lima. 502 00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:34,200 Speaker 3: You can imagine the disruption that that means. That means 503 00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,080 Speaker 3: also that you have good people, but at the same 504 00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:43,480 Speaker 3: time you have criminal organizations et cetera, people gathering political 505 00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:47,960 Speaker 3: intelligence penetrating the country. So we have a huge problem 506 00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:52,960 Speaker 3: with Venezuela. So Venezuela not only poses a security threat 507 00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:59,200 Speaker 3: to the US, it poses a security the threat to 508 00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:03,000 Speaker 3: all that in them countries because the cartels that operate 509 00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,480 Speaker 3: with the support of in Israela like the Cartel Vermela 510 00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:11,560 Speaker 3: of Brazil, the dissident groups of the FARC in Colombia 511 00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,719 Speaker 3: that have the support of the government, also of the 512 00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:22,960 Speaker 3: government of Petty, and the Mexican cartells. They operate in 513 00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:31,440 Speaker 3: the continent through this migration crisis that affects Chile, affects Prove, 514 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:36,720 Speaker 3: affects equedor affects all our countries. So when President Trump 515 00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:43,560 Speaker 3: puts in first place the Western hemisphere, he is trying 516 00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:49,640 Speaker 3: to stabilize I wouldn't say nor the front yard, nor 517 00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:55,280 Speaker 3: the backyard. He's trying to stabilis stabilize the Americas because 518 00:46:55,320 --> 00:47:00,960 Speaker 3: the Americas is a huge conglomerate of possibilities, of opportunities, 519 00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,840 Speaker 3: of resources for the future. And there is a change, 520 00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,600 Speaker 3: there is a shift to the right due to the 521 00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:13,280 Speaker 3: failure of the left, but also due to the relinquishing 522 00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:20,359 Speaker 3: of Latin America by the Democratic administrations, the Democrat administration 523 00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:26,400 Speaker 3: of the US President Obama, President Clinton and even George 524 00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:27,480 Speaker 3: Bush Junior. 525 00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,080 Speaker 1: We have to leave it at that, mister Vice President, 526 00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:31,720 Speaker 1: Thank you very much for your time today. 527 00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:33,440 Speaker 2: Come back with updates. 528 00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,760 Speaker 1: On all of this and what promises a very important 529 00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,080 Speaker 1: new year. God bless you, my friend. God bless you. 530 00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,359 Speaker 1: Come back to us next time. If you wouldn't till, 531 00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:41,600 Speaker 1: then go forth and multiply