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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Drive to the Draft Podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'm Logan Paulson here with Jessic Guy Jason, and we

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Speaker 2: got a very special show for you today. We are

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Speaker 2: talking last day of the Senior Bowl and we got

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Speaker 2: names coming fast and furious.

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Speaker 3: Just guys the cutter eye.

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Speaker 2: We're emptying the notebook and we're gonna give you everything

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Speaker 2: we've got. We also talked about analytics that's becoming a

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Speaker 2: huge part of not only game day management, but.

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Speaker 1: The draft process as well.

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Speaker 2: We talked to a big analytics nerd and that's Jerey

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Speaker 2: mcgreen with his guy Bill Workman.

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Speaker 1: It all starts right now.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to the Drive to the Draft Podcast. I'm Jessic

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Speaker 4: Guy Jason here with Logan Paulson, ten year NFL VET.

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Speaker 3: We're really good friends, Logan.

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Speaker 2: We are great friends. We spent a lot of time together.

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Speaker 2: We're becoming better friends by.

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Speaker 3: The second friends. Yeah, we go to day though.

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Speaker 2: You did tell me today that we're not actually friends,

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Speaker 2: Like I'm the closest side, I'm the closest of your

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Speaker 2: non friends.

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Speaker 3: Now what I said.

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Speaker 4: What I said was is that I have a very

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Speaker 4: tight knit I'm a I'm a very closed off person

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Speaker 4: when it comes to people I allow into my life,

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Speaker 4: and I have my wife, who's my best friend, closest,

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Speaker 4: I have family, right, and then I have three friends

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Speaker 4: that I've had since college. We were roommates together, very

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Speaker 4: close with them, and then like, that's kind of all

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Speaker 4: I need friends to me like at my age in life,

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Speaker 4: or like guys that like I'm going to talk with

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Speaker 4: until we die, right.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to make the girls, right.

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Speaker 4: So I'm saying, like, of everybody that I work with, Logan,

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Speaker 4: we're getting close. We're getting real close that I like,

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Speaker 4: call you, see how you're doing. You know how the

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Speaker 4: wife and kids like, I'll ask you that. Other people

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Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, I hope you're doing well. I know

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Speaker 4: now a lot of people that was way too much

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Speaker 4: time on what makes me sound like a complete ale.

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Speaker 3: But we're really good friends with people who know. We

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Speaker 3: cat dinner together.

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Speaker 4: We asked about we were talking about financial stuff early. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: so we're getting into weeds. But I will say that

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Speaker 4: one of the things that I do think has really

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Speaker 4: been the cornerstone of our foundation has been this scouting project.

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Speaker 2: So it has been we do spend a lot like

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Speaker 2: this is the time of year where we definitely spend

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Speaker 2: the most time together because we're sharing, you know, store

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Speaker 2: sharing film, sharing ideas with regards to the process. And again,

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Speaker 2: we travel together at all these events, so we do

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Speaker 2: spend a lot of time together.

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Speaker 4: We spend a lot of time together. So almost every

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Speaker 4: player here is draftable, I would say, I think so

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Speaker 4: over the past couple of years.

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Speaker 4: It's right, right, almost one hundred percent in some cases.

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Speaker 4: So my question to you is, logan of the people

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Speaker 3: So these are already, for lack.

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Speaker 4: Of a better term, NFL players, right, like the that's

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Speaker 4: that quality of talent that's here. So of the one percent, right,

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Speaker 3: You might be a star at the next time.

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Speaker 2: and we talked about this a little bit earlier today,

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Speaker 2: is you listen to all these different podcasts right where

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Speaker 2: they're saying, oh, this guy really stood out, this guy's going.

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Speaker 3: To be a stud.

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Speaker 2: But like you said, all these guys, the majority of

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Speaker 2: I feel like I see roles for a lot of

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Speaker 2: I think it's so important to remember it's don't let

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Speaker 1: Unfair to the process and unfair to the player.

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Speaker 3: Well, let's build on that.

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Speaker 4: Let's double click before we get into individual players, because

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Speaker 4: This guy won at the Senior Bowl this practice day

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Speaker 4: These guys do ten rips, right, And you gotta really,

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Speaker 4: That's why they're here, that's why they're at their senior Bowl.

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Speaker 1: So I think it's a good rep. I think a

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Speaker 4: Build like, don't be like, oh, top ten guy is

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Speaker 2: saying he's got a he's had a great week. He's

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Speaker 2: people getting become infatuated. Like Mark hel Bell lost a

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Speaker 2: that's not an indictment on More. That's not an indictment

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Speaker 2: we had similar conversations around players. I believe it was Green, right,

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Speaker 2: he won, Yes, Mike Green from Rosie from Marshall, and

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Speaker 2: he got drafted to Baltimore, had a really good web

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Speaker 2: rep against Josh Connery, right, but then after that didn't

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Speaker 3: Like, oh, that's it. Yeah, I'm good. And it's like, though,

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Speaker 4: I'm not holding anything against Mike Green, and you have

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Speaker 4: But at the same time, Josh Connery pretty good. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 4: it doesn't The point is one REP isn't going to

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Speaker 4: more rep. The other thing to realize sometimes with these reps,

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Speaker 4: And what I mean by that is I was on

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Speaker 4: is that this is less about Mike Green winning. Although

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Speaker 4: a it was nothing Mike Green did. Anybody was going

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Speaker 4: to have that rep off of that poor technique. And

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Speaker 4: the same thing about this other play. It was bad footwork.

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Speaker 4: So that's the other thing to be careful of. Now,

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Speaker 2: So for doing that, but so and again like that's

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Speaker 2: they're handling interviews. Like you know, there's a there's a

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Speaker 2: And I think those are always good reminders that again,

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Speaker 2: the production. The player on the field is important, but

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Speaker 2: Is that behavior something you feel like your locker room

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Speaker 3: That's necessarily right. Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: And the reason those parameters exist is because there is

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Speaker 4: Look at me, right, Okay, I'm five to six, right,

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Speaker 4: I could have I could have the best arm, and

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Speaker 4: It's just not gonna happen for me because I'm too

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Speaker 4: Yeah, tough, Right, it'd be like, just I can't My

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Speaker 1: Well, Diego Pavia is close.

441
00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:16,840
Speaker 4: But but right, Diego Pavia a Heisman finalist, yep, But

442
00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,200
Speaker 4: why is he not being looked at seriously?

443
00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:20,920
Speaker 3: Well, there's the height situation.

444
00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,719
Speaker 4: It's doesn't mean he can't be successful, right, it just

445
00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:26,000
Speaker 4: means the road is so hard. So if you're going

446
00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:29,760
Speaker 4: to spend draft capital on it, you don't want to

447
00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:33,320
Speaker 4: spend high draft capital on somebody who's gonna have a

448
00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:34,440
Speaker 4: very hard route.

449
00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,800
Speaker 2: It's very well said. And again like does he have

450
00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:40,360
Speaker 2: watching him out here diego pave? Does he have moxies?

451
00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:41,920
Speaker 2: Does he have leadership qualities?

452
00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:42,200
Speaker 3: Sure?

453
00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:43,720
Speaker 1: But he has a hard.

454
00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:46,520
Speaker 2: Time seeing he doesn't have the strongest arm. So it's like,

455
00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:49,600
Speaker 2: what what is his ceiling for you? And are you

456
00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:51,399
Speaker 2: I was talking to someone here today and they were like,

457
00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,080
Speaker 2: it feels to me if you were to draft him,

458
00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:55,520
Speaker 2: you're wasting a draft pick because what is he ever

459
00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:56,960
Speaker 2: going to be? Is he ever going to be more

460
00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:00,240
Speaker 2: than a practice squad player for you? That would this

461
00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,720
Speaker 2: person's perspective. I think there's a possibility, but it's unlikely.

462
00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:05,280
Speaker 2: And I think that's the whole reason. Right, It's like

463
00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:07,320
Speaker 2: when you're looking at this is the other one that

464
00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:10,360
Speaker 2: I love is the tracy offensive tackle? Right, we talked

465
00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,399
Speaker 2: about Michael Pettis from the Shrine Bowl. He's six seven,

466
00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:15,879
Speaker 2: he's three fifty, he's got thirty six in charms, Like

467
00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,440
Speaker 2: he's a freak. I am going to take a shot

468
00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,879
Speaker 2: on that because I know those measurables play, they work,

469
00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:24,800
Speaker 2: they work, and I'm so the guy that you know

470
00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:29,000
Speaker 2: from Navy landon forget his name, but the defensive tackle

471
00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:32,800
Speaker 2: five to eleven to ninety yeah, Robinson, thank you Landon Robinson.

472
00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:36,520
Speaker 2: Am I I love the player, but do those skills

473
00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,360
Speaker 2: translate the same way. It's a little bit longer road,

474
00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:40,639
Speaker 2: and we got to be a little bit more creative

475
00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:41,960
Speaker 2: and that can be more difficult for sure.

476
00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:42,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

477
00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,120
Speaker 4: It's the same thing with I mean this is true

478
00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,719
Speaker 4: with every position, right, and there are outliers. I'm not

479
00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:51,040
Speaker 4: saying there are Santana Moss is a great example, yeah,

480
00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:54,919
Speaker 4: as an outlier because even though he was taken thirteenth overall, yes,

481
00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,440
Speaker 4: sixteen sixteen, I think sixteenth overall. The reason he didn't

482
00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:02,280
Speaker 4: go higher that he talks about is he was short,

483
00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:04,040
Speaker 4: and they're like, oh, well, you're too short to play

484
00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:07,199
Speaker 4: on the outside. And the NFL wasn't what it is

485
00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,440
Speaker 4: today or they had the type of roles for a

486
00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,240
Speaker 4: player like him. So that's why he fell in the draft.

487
00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,159
Speaker 4: To him, right, he could have been he could have

488
00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:17,880
Speaker 4: gone higher. So it's those things that you have to consider,

489
00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,720
Speaker 4: is like they are like, yeah, I mean you said

490
00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,640
Speaker 4: it best. There are precedent for these things. Yeah, so

491
00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:27,240
Speaker 4: height and weight matters, so yes, you put a lot

492
00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,120
Speaker 4: of emphasis on it, but it's not the whole thing.

493
00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:31,560
Speaker 3: It's just one piece of the pie.

494
00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:33,760
Speaker 1: Yes, that's exactly right.

495
00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,840
Speaker 2: And it's and again that's why it's an exact science

496
00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:41,560
Speaker 2: and why the film the measurements, it's all important. But yeah,

497
00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:43,480
Speaker 2: and again it's been kind of interesting to watch here

498
00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,879
Speaker 2: today with this group, both groups. Is there's nobody that

499
00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,760
Speaker 2: really falls into bad measurements. Like that's been kind of

500
00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,159
Speaker 2: a nice thing about this process is everybody seems to

501
00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,480
Speaker 2: meet minimum thresholds for every position. There's not like a

502
00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,680
Speaker 2: really skinny guy or a really exceptionally large guy. They're

503
00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,679
Speaker 2: all kind of right in the in the mean or

504
00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:03,920
Speaker 2: in the middle of that bell curve. And so that's

505
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,600
Speaker 2: been kind of a nice process being here at the

506
00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:07,680
Speaker 2: Senior Bowl for this week.

507
00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:08,600
Speaker 3: All Right, who's.

508
00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,160
Speaker 4: Somebody else we we are digressing a lot here. Yeah,

509
00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:11,800
Speaker 4: that's okay.

510
00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,280
Speaker 2: So somebody who kind of falls at the other end

511
00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:15,960
Speaker 2: of the spectrum, and maybe it's a good person to

512
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,200
Speaker 2: talk about here is Caleb Banks from Florida. And again,

513
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,600
Speaker 2: like I'm not saying Washington's gonna pick this guy, but

514
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,760
Speaker 2: there are certain people that you know, they call him,

515
00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:28,479
Speaker 2: you know, like there's only a handful of people on

516
00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,920
Speaker 2: God's Earth, like literally five or six people that look

517
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,640
Speaker 2: and move like Caleb Banks. So he's six', five he's

518
00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,880
Speaker 2: three thirty. Five he moves like an absolute. Deer he's

519
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,840
Speaker 2: got thirty five inch. Arms he plays defensive tackle For.

520
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,320
Speaker 2: Florida he only played three games this last year because

521
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,439
Speaker 2: of a foot. Injury he comes out here yesterday and

522
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,359
Speaker 2: looks like the best player at The Shrine, bowl al,

523
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,119
Speaker 2: right at The Senior, bowl right like he kind of

524
00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,280
Speaker 2: struggled a little bit the first, day came out and

525
00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,760
Speaker 2: looked absolutely, Dominant AND i love. That, right here's the

526
00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 2: guy coming off an, injury where's he going to be,

527
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,640
Speaker 2: at where's his conditioning? At comes in great shape and

528
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,640
Speaker 2: really has a physically dominant. Performance now there's people talking

529
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 2: about his leadership. Style apparently he's very colorful with his,

530
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,760
Speaker 2: language colorful with his personality in terms of how he

531
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:14,240
Speaker 2: speaks to the, opponents which can be, fine BUT i

532
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 2: think from a physical just check every. Box you're looking

533
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 2: at a guy who's probably playing himself into the first,

534
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,240
Speaker 2: round who is going to make somebody very very happy

535
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:22,359
Speaker 2: in THE.

536
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 4: Nfl, Yeah and this is one of those ones where

537
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 4: it's the opposite side of the spectrum with height and.

538
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,199
Speaker 3: Weight he's got. Everything only so many people moved this.

539
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,399
Speaker 4: Way so you're going to take a bet on that

540
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 4: you can figure the other things, out because if somebody

541
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,119
Speaker 4: is six, foot you can't.

542
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 3: Make them six, six, right are what they.

543
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 4: Are and so when you find physical, freaks you want

544
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,280
Speaker 4: to grab a hold of. Those there are not many

545
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,239
Speaker 4: of those in the. World like you, said, yeah all,

546
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:50,440
Speaker 4: right let's move on to somebody. Else who's another eye.

547
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 2: Catcher so a guy for me that caught my eye

548
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 2: in a way that was, unexpected and maybe that's WHY

549
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 2: i caught my eye was the running back From Indiana.

550
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 2: Keil he's two hundred and eight. Pounds he's five, nine

551
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 2: so a little bit on the smaller. Side AND i

552
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 2: knew him as the guy From, indiana like a crazy

553
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:09,160
Speaker 2: powerful downhill.

554
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 3: Runner, yeah paired With Roman Hanby, yes yeh, yeah shout it. Out,

555
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 3: YEAH i like that to. Shrine yeah.

556
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,919
Speaker 2: Yeah and he ran like literally like an absolute psycho

557
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 2: when he was At. Indiana and so he came here

558
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:22,920
Speaker 2: and showed me a skill. Set AND i think about

559
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 2: it in the context of The washington, commanders like they

560
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 2: probably need a third down depth, piece rotational, back and

561
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 2: this guy in terms of how he ran routes and

562
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 2: how he caught the football totally surprised, Me, LIKE i

563
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 2: love this little like on a choice router or an

564
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,639
Speaker 2: angle route Like texas route over the middle of the,

565
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 2: field your ability to double, stick so put your inside

566
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 2: foot down hard to kind of tap the outside foot

567
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,239
Speaker 2: and then like explode back into the middle of the.

568
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 2: Field and he just absolutely worked every single linebacker you wet.

569
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,479
Speaker 2: Against now there's some context there because one on one

570
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 2: for running backs is a running back centric, drill but

571
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 2: he was excellent in that.

572
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:56,400
Speaker 1: Regard and then they.

573
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 2: Also his group did some pass protection, work and he

574
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 2: was excellent as a pass protector from a physicality, standpoint,

575
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 2: Right so he's not necessarily doesn't have to know exactly

576
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 2: who to. Do it's you versus. Me i'm going to

577
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:07,880
Speaker 2: go stick my face on. You and so to see

578
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 2: that physicality he ran, with to see the dexterity as

579
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 2: a route, runner that was very surprising to. Me and

580
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 2: so to see that come to the forefront was incredibly.

581
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:17,360
Speaker 2: Impressive one of the.

582
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 4: Things that you harp on in previous episodes is about

583
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 4: it's not just your ability to play necessarily your. Position

584
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 4: so if you're running, back it's not just about playing running,

585
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 4: back it's about how can you help us on special? Teams,

586
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 4: right especially when you're getting into the mid to later,

587
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 4: rounds you're looking for guys that are going to help

588
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 4: you multiple ways on the. Team find a way you

589
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,119
Speaker 4: went to the. Team special teams is one of the

590
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 4: ways to do. That so my question, is as you're scouting,

591
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 4: Now shrine bowled, definitely but even here are you looking

592
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 4: at a guy and, going, okay you're you also could

593
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 4: be beneficial to? Teams and how are you looking at?

594
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,479
Speaker 4: That and are any of his skill sets that you're

595
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 4: seeing with the way that kickoffs are, now how different they,

596
00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 4: are how Coach Larry izzo with watch like to utilize,

597
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 4: Returners like does he kind of fit into any of that?

598
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 4: Mold and you, say, okay like you, said add a

599
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,679
Speaker 4: piece to the running back room and and he's going

600
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 4: to help us on teams the way we like to run.

601
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 2: It, well it's so funny you mentioned that because Like

602
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,120
Speaker 2: i'm Like Kezi cott kicks since he's been here and

603
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 2: right now as we're watching, practice he's out there backing

604
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 2: up catching kicks AND i think like if he can catch,

605
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 2: kicks like his running style to me is perfect for.

606
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:22,959
Speaker 1: It.

607
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 2: Right it's, downhill it's, physical it's one. Cut it's Very Brian,

608
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,360
Speaker 2: mitchell if you. Will in terms of return. Style it's

609
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 2: not a lot of dancing. Around it's, Like i'm a

610
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 2: catch one, cut, go catch one cut. Go and that's

611
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 2: how he runs the ball at the line of, scrimmage

612
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,400
Speaker 2: that's how he after the, catch that's how he. Operates

613
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 2: and so that ACTUALLY i didn't thought about, That jason

614
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:45,199
Speaker 2: With that's a really intriguing, position proposition for a guy like,

615
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 2: that WHO i think, is you, know maybe under the.

616
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 2: Radar it's kind of funny to hear to talk about

617
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 2: somebody who's in The National championship is being under the.

618
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 2: Radar but in terms of the, backs not getting a

619
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 2: lot of headlines, Here BUT i thought he did an

620
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 2: excellent job of just again the route running twitch was

621
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 2: exceeded all expectations quite.

622
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 4: Honestly we talk a lot about wide receivers With, washington

623
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 4: especially in the mid to later. Rounds is there anybody

624
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 4: that's standing out OR i mean we talked About montgomery

625
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 4: last week From John carroll With Trevor sikima or last.

626
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 4: Episode is there anybody else that's in, there because it seems, like,

627
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 4: honestly this wide receiver class maybe has a little more

628
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 4: depth than originally.

629
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,120
Speaker 2: Thought it's interesting to look at the wide receivers because

630
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,680
Speaker 2: they are so much more polished than WHEN i was coming, Out,

631
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 2: like you, KNOW i think they're one of their fifteen guys,

632
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 2: here sixteen guys here If i'm counting, correctly and.

633
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 1: They all have the double, stick they all have the.

634
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:37,880
Speaker 2: Release they all kind of know how to work through

635
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 2: contact in a way that was.

636
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 3: UNIQUE i bet that's the introduced production of seven on.

637
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 2: Seven, absolutely, yeah, Absolutely and so to see these guys

638
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 2: like and again all kind of different skill, Sets Like

639
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 2: i'm gonna throw out a couple Names jason just so

640
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 2: the fans have, some But Josh cameron From.

641
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: Baylor he's six,' one he's two hundred and twenty.

642
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 2: Three pounds jerry mcgreen talked about him on one of,

643
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 2: our shows and he's such a unique guy because, YOU

644
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 2: know i just talked about how all these receivers are.

645
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 2: So polished he's kind of the other other side of.

646
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 2: The coin he's not, super polished but he is a

647
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,199
Speaker 2: freak in terms of his. Movement skills he reminds me

648
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 2: of his film reminds me a little bit a little

649
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 2: bit of Again The deebo samuel kind of running back

650
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,199
Speaker 2: in a receiver's body again with that two hundred almost

651
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 2: twenty five pounds of. Body weight he's got long arms for,

652
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 2: his size thirty three, inch arms so he kind of

653
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 2: plays like a big receiver even though he's kind of

654
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 2: In this. Hercules package, but again there's a little bit

655
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 2: of work that needs to happen there from a, route

656
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 2: running nuanced kind of, development standpoint which is. Really Important,

657
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 2: MALACHI fields i don't know if we've talked about him on.

658
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 2: The Show notre dame, six' four two hundred and, he's

659
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:43,880
Speaker 2: a big big boy and he's two hundred and twelve.

660
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 4: And eighteen pounds he had a, highlight, cutch up yes.

661
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 3: Kind of down the middle.

662
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 2: Of, the field again like this is when we're talking

663
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 2: about receivers. At this event they're not going To Be,

664
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 2: The carnel tates they're not going To, be the tysons

665
00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 2: they're not going to be the Kid from Usc or

666
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 2: or boston from, you dub like they're.

667
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 3: Not these guys so they. HAVE some wartz i worry

668
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 3: a little.

669
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 2: Bit about his high end twitch, and MOVEMENT skills but

670
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 2: i see him run a heck. OF a slant i

671
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 2: see him with great body control. DOWN the field i

672
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 2: see him physical in, the RUN game and i kind of, say,

673
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 2: TO myself like i. Think that place so if you're

674
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 2: at SEVENTY one or i don't think he gets past,

675
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 2: The fourth, round but like if you're in that range with,

676
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 2: seventy to one you. NEED a playmaker i would circle

677
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 2: that guy as a guy that would be a great

678
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 2: Complimentary piece to terry that kind of fits your physical

679
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 2: vision in terms of what you want. To be offensively

680
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 2: I'm Assuming with david blau kind of bringing Some of those. Detroit,

681
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 2: principles Here Really both texas tech guys.

682
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: Have Been great reggie virgil he's a, little bit.

683
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 2: Smaller, he's six two he's one hundred and, eighty eight

684
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 2: pounds but can absolutely scoot and has been. REALLY really

685
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 2: polished i think yesterday he led the, team in receiving

686
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 2: which doesn't, really meant anything but he's just getting a.

687
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: Lot of targets. HE'S getting open i like.

688
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 2: To see That And then Caleb Douglass from texas tech

689
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 2: is a, little bit taller six, two hundred pounds but

690
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 2: has moves really well for, a big man which is.

691
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 2: Great to, SEE so AGAIN i, MEAN i. COULD i

692
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 2: could i mean even The Guy, From Georgia, state ted

693
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 2: hurst has had. A great, week he's, physical he's big

694
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 2: like every like literally everybody on this list has flashed,

695
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 2: at some point even the guy that was the Late Alternate,

696
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 2: From South. Alabama devin venison, he's five nine one hundred and,

697
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 2: eighty two pounds has such a good build for like

698
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 2: a slot return specialist, kind of player catches, the football

699
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 2: well works. Through Contact well and i'm not just smoking these,

700
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 2: guys up because, like you know but they have produced

701
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 2: on the. Field as WELL and so i think if you,

702
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 2: need a receiver like it's kind of one of those

703
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 2: years where maybe the top of the Receiving Group because

704
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 2: i've i've talked to you about like maybe the top

705
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 2: isn't as high as it's been, in YEARS past but

706
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 2: i do feel like, the middle here especially probably rounds,

707
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 2: three to four is going to be pretty deep with

708
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 2: guys that can come in and help and be a

709
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 2: contributor to your roster.

710
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 4: Pretty early on so what about any anybody in the

711
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 4: defensive backfield shine and shine a little bit for you

712
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 4: because it to that position we've. Talked about before it

713
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 4: does seem a little. Thinner this year AND the question

714
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 4: i want to ask before you move into a specific

715
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 4: player is do you how do you weigh cornerback and

716
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 4: defensive back class maybe a little thinner as far as.

717
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 3: Talent this year.

718
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 4: Does that then affect your? Wide receiver, grading because like

719
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 4: maybe that's why we're looking so solid. At, wide receiver.

720
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 3: Yeah and how?

721
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 2: Do you balance that's, A great point like it was

722
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 2: kind of you said, THAT to me i think yesterday

723
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 2: and we WENT back and i Was Watching, the SHRINE

724
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 2: bowl and, i, was like man these offensive linemen. Look

725
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 2: pretty good but is that because the pass rushers are still?

726
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 3: So?

727
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 2: Raw there right and so it's kind of an. Interesting

728
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 2: thought experiment AND so what i WILL say is i

729
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 2: think there are guys here that are. Good football players

730
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 2: it's just, now to me this is where the draft.

731
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 2: Becomes really challenging there are GUYS here that i. LOVE like, that,

732
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 2: i think man that guy's a. GOOD football player i

733
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 2: want him To be a washington commander or whatever, team,

734
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 2: We GOT right but i think the thing, is it's

735
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 2: like how do where is the proper value for, someone

736
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 2: like THAT even though, I like them and that's where like,

737
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 2: the big board, the horizontal board all that stuff that

738
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 2: we do later in the draft process comes. To the,

739
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 2: forefront because again like It's the names i'm, going to

740
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 2: say maybe aren't guys that would come to the forefront,

741
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 2: of THE list but i thought these were guys that

742
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 2: came out and competed at a really high. Level this week,

743
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 2: so but again like it's hard because even the guys

744
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 2: that were supposed to be really, good This Week like

745
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 2: Chris Johnson From, SAN diego state i don't think it had,

746
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 2: a bad week but didn't have.

747
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: A great week, so it's like did?

748
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 3: He? Help himself know did?

749
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 5: He?

750
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: Hurt himself no so where does?

751
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 2: He fit now because, his film's great he's got foreigner

752
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 2: receptions to, return for touchdowns like his production, is very

753
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 2: good but how do you weigh? That moving forward is

754
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 2: going to. Be really challenging Same thing with Jalen. McMurray,

755
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 2: from tennessee again, a fine week but it wasn't. A

756
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 2: great week wasn't, A bad week so go back to

757
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 2: the film and is he now a first round player

758
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 2: or is he an early second. Second round player those

759
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 2: are THE questions that i think. Are really interesting but

760
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 2: a COUPLE guys that i thought, were just competed and

761
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 2: again there are limitations. To These players Davison Igbinosun. From ohio,

762
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 2: State he's two he's one hundred and. NINETY two pounds

763
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 2: i just thought this dude was competitive as. All outdoors

764
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 2: man he was physical at the. Line of scrimmage he's

765
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 2: a little, bit high cut a little bit tight, in

766
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 2: the hips a. Little BIT handsy but i just, thought

767
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 2: a guy like in an environment here at the senior

768
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 2: role where everything about the one on ones is, favored

769
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 2: towards receivers here's A guy that i thought came out

770
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 2: and put his best foot forward and really did a.

771
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 2: Great job competing and that's really all you can ask

772
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 2: for in these situations is just finding guys who are going. To.

773
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 2: Be Competitive ephijians pri sock that's a hell, of, a

774
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 2: name right HE'S the. Biggest dB here, he's sixty three

775
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 2: he's almost. TWO hundred pounds i. Love him again he

776
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 2: had a bad rep early, in the week talked about

777
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 2: a bad rep like got, totally spun around but prior

778
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 2: to that and since then has had a really solid

779
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 2: week and one on ones and. Been very physical he's played,

780
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 2: in the nickel, he's PLAYED outside and, I like that

781
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 2: like he didn't play in the, slot, in college right

782
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 2: but he came here and did something new and put something.

783
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 2: Different on tape some people want to see. HIM play, safety, i,

784
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 2: think great man do what. You gotta do but love

785
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 2: the physical traits. Those guys bring, and again like has

786
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 2: it been a perfect? Week, for them no but have?

787
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 3: They?

788
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 2: Been Productive absolutely and i'm gonna give you a safety

789
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 2: name here REAL quick once, i FIND him who i

790
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 2: think has been maybe the best player, of the week

791
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 2: kind of in the same way as that as The as.

792
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 2: The pittsburgh linebacker His Name is BUD. Clark from tcu,

793
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 2: he's six one one hundred and eighty five pounds and Has,

794
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 2: been physical downhill has had two or three interceptions in

795
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 2: one on one and in team done a great job

796
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 2: and a guy that was not on my, radar at

797
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 2: all but tracks the Football extremely well downhill in the

798
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 2: run game at.

799
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: A high LEVEL and.

800
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 2: So i think that is a useful PLAYER at. The,

801
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 2: nfl level now what is the actual value of SOMEONE

802
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 2: like that, I don't Know And Again big bill workman

803
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 2: kind of has him in his in his algorithm and

804
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 2: talk about him a. Little BIT later but i thought

805
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 2: it was funny that he mentioned him as a player

806
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 2: because he's had a great week of, Practice, this.

807
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 4: Week Logan the senior bowl. Has been great. I'VE loved

808
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 4: it i love. COMING down here i love watching the,

809
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 4: ONE one ones i love watching the, practice with you

810
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 4: seeing these, guys seeing.

811
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 3: Good all good is there anybody else we? Should? Talk

812
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 3: about edges do we talk about?

813
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 4: EDGES or no i mean we've talked about edges, and

814
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 4: OTHER ones but i mean this is the rap Show For.

815
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 4: A senior bowl so if you want to get somebody

816
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 4: out and how's the time, To do it i'm not going,

817
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:21,399
Speaker 4: To stop.

818
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 3: You.

819
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 2: That's right Yeah so the edges to me are kind

820
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 2: of an interesting group Because the more, i've watched.

821
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:27,240
Speaker 3: Them because we talked ABOUT.

822
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 2: Like, t j parker, Big First day derek moore, big

823
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 2: first day a little bit, quieter SINCE then is i talk.

824
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 3: To the question that we got?

825
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:39,320
Speaker 2: Earlier, About traits yeah like these dudes have like literally

826
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 2: some of The best traits i've Seen At. The senior

827
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 2: bowl they all have Great Arm Length like Zion. Young

828
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 2: from missouri, he's sixty five he's, too sixty two he's

829
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 2: got thirty. Four, Inch Arms, Right vincent anthony he's, he's.

830
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: Six, six two fifty he's got thirty.

831
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 2: Four inch arms like everybody as you go down the

832
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 2: list is just this big will put together son. Of

833
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 2: a gun and so that's encouraging for me because talk

834
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 2: about a. Traits DEPENDENT position and i should have SAID

835
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 2: this when i answered. The other question certain position traits

836
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 2: are more important. Than other positions, on defensive line if you're,

837
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 2: big and fast. Usually you're okay like and as a,

838
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 2: late round, pick you know like as a team, that's

839
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 2: picking later we have a fifth to sixth and.

840
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:23,280
Speaker 1: A seventh round that.

841
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 2: The idea that some of these traitsy guys will be

842
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 2: floating around in that area is really encouraging to me

843
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 2: because that those traits mean that they're probably GOING to

844
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 2: be nfl players, at, Some point right and.

845
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 4: Something real quickly to say is that when you say

846
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 4: they're going to be all right or they're GOING to,

847
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 4: be nfl players. JUST please understand i think you are

848
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 4: not saying that they're going to come out and be

849
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 4: productive IMMEDIATELY. In the nfl you're just saying that a

850
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 4: team will have a role for them and they will want.

851
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 4: To develop them.

852
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 3: That's a great that's.

853
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 4: A great catch some, people should realize or our, listeners, should,

854
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 4: realize is yeah they got, the traits right and maybe

855
00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 4: their production in college. Wasn't, quite there yeah or maybe

856
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,760
Speaker 4: there forty isn't. What you wanted something at the combine.

857
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 4: Isn't quite there but they, have the traits so you're willing.

858
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 4: To draft them and that as you were talking about

859
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 4: earlier with do you put too much on height and

860
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 4: weight and the measurables maybe in these later rounds because

861
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 4: you can't trade, to teach those but you can't. Teach

862
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 4: other things so the point, being is like you got

863
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 4: a lot of guys here with traits that make you

864
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 4: feel comfortable taking a chance on them the lower draft

865
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 4: capital in the later rounds to. Try and develop, that,

866
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 4: doesn't mean though that they're going to come out and

867
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,399
Speaker 4: be productive right away right their, works in product they're.

868
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 2: Definitely DEVELOPMENTAL pieces but i think you articulated that perfectly

869
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 2: right later in the like we've had, this conversation before

870
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 2: we actually had. Fights about it maybe we'll do it

871
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 2: on air this year at some point is in later later.

872
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 2: IN the draft i want to DRAFT somebody that i

873
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 2: think that has a role, right now right but also

874
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 2: has the ability to develop into a starter. At some

875
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 2: POINT so when i see a.

876
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 3: Guy have we argued about this advice, Said.

877
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 2: BEEN like oh i want a guy that's gonna that

878
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 2: has that has a role. And IS established and i

879
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 2: WAS arguing THAT i want i see.

880
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 3: What you're saying you want to take.

881
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 4: THE upside play i want to take A guy that

882
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 4: i think will be a bigger. Contributor right AWAY but

883
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,959
Speaker 4: WHEN i when, i, said that sorry Now we're gonna

884
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:20,280
Speaker 4: we're Gonna FEND myself when, I said that i'm saying

885
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 4: that for our current Situation, as the commanders right because

886
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 4: every team is trying to draft something a little bit

887
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 4: different or they have a different mentality of what they want,

888
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 4: from the draft and a lot, of, people say sorry

889
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 4: this is a tangent. For another day i'm just going

890
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 4: to lay out the thesis. Best, player available cool that's.

891
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 4: A cute saying but if, you do that then you

892
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 4: can't have a team with thirty seven.

893
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,359
Speaker 3: Offensive line right you have.

894
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:55,240
Speaker 4: To have depth so it's best player available that fits

895
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 4: what you are trying to do in some. Way, or

896
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 4: another NOW the reason i say that is because to

897
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 4: me in the later rounds when you were, In the

898
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 4: position washington was, a year ago which is one game

899
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:06,879
Speaker 4: away From.

900
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 3: The, super bowl roles give me some pieces.

901
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 4: That can immediately, impact this team give us that push. Over,

902
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 4: the hump yeah now that you're picking seventh and you

903
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 4: added down year and you're gonna have turnover. And A

904
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 4: roster maybe i'm not. Saying we should i'm not. In

905
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 4: the room i'm not, making these decisions but maybe the

906
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 4: team is looking more of how do? We build depth

907
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 4: so we're willing to take more of those guys in

908
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,879
Speaker 4: the background that we can develop in because we want

909
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 4: More of those we want more shots at, the, slot

910
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 4: machine right you want more, coins in there they'll.

911
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 2: Pulled, down, Right NO absolutely, and i Think like all i'm,

912
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,479
Speaker 2: saying is that like a guy in to the question,

913
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 2: we had earlier the traits sometimes are helpful. In, determining

914
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 2: that yeah because if you draft an ed rusher who's

915
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 2: six and forty pounds and he's got thirty, one inch

916
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 2: arms like his ceiling is going, to, be limited right

917
00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 2: and he'll be a great. Special teams player he might

918
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 2: be a rotational, past ross guy but probably. MOSTLY special

919
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 2: teams i look at some of these guys, that are,

920
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 2: here and again these are guys that are probably gonna

921
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 2: be top. One hundred players so we're talking in that

922
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 2: seventy one range for most of these edges is guys, that,

923
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 2: are big fast and explosive. That can add maybe not as,

924
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 2: good right now but, they're six six they got thirty,

925
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 2: four in charms and when you look at the top

926
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 2: edge rushers, in the league that's what the. Body looks

927
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 2: like and so That's more what i'm talking about in

928
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 2: terms of Developmental and fans i'm sure would be frustrated

929
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 2: a little bit with their developmental curve because it's not

930
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 2: going to. Be right away but that's kind of what

931
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 2: we're talking about here with some of these guys, that,

932
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 2: are bigger longer maybe more athletic later.

933
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 4: In the, draft so yeah, one hundred percent, And, All right,

934
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 4: logan right now we have an analytics, guy coming in

935
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 4: so let's toss to An Interview, with JEREMY green the,

936
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 4: nfl draft nerd one, of our favorites and his personal analytical,

937
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 4: Nerd Right, now bill workman here's that interview we HAVE

938
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 4: back the. Nfl draft nerd we can't get, enough of

939
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,240
Speaker 4: him but we have you here for a. Very, special

940
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 4: reason Jeremy We, have bill workman who is? Your personal,

941
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 4: analytics you said what do?

942
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 3: You call them your?

943
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 5: Numbers nerd counter this is the nerd. BEHIND the nerd

944
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 5: i like to call, him my, Yoda your.

945
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 1: Yoda, i'll, Yoda YEAH okay.

946
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 3: So i got a, Question.

947
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 2: For you bill so everyone talks about ANALYTICS like and

948
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 2: i think people will apply that often to, like game.

949
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 2: Flow game situations how are you applying numbers analytics to

950
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 2: the draft process and what does that look like for You.

951
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 6: And for jeremy, so for me, IT looks like i

952
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 6: weigh what you did against, who you played.

953
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,919
Speaker 2: What you did against, Who you played so you weigh

954
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 2: in the stats versus level.

955
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 6: Of opponent, level for instance if, you're a safety you

956
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 6: had five Pass, breakups against alabama it's gonna weigh heavier

957
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 6: than if you had five Pass Breakups against south ELEMENT.

958
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: Or DIE i think i could still have.

959
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 6: Five, Class, breakups again yeah the talent you played against is.

960
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:57,959
Speaker 3: Gonna weigh heavier so.

961
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 2: You're actually weighing games like, FOR some reason i thought

962
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,720
Speaker 2: you were weighing, like, arm, weight height weight speed.

963
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 6: Type of stuff we go, Into, that too okay after

964
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 6: the combine based. On the average so like, FOR a

965
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 6: quarterback i know that one off the top. Of MY

966
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 6: head you're i want a quarterback this between six foot

967
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 6: two and.

968
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 3: Six.

969
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 6: Foot five huh THAT'S the height i. Want you at

970
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 6: and you'll get a grade based off of.

971
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 2: And that's based on historical precedent. Kind of deal so

972
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 2: let's go back to your initial kind of example with

973
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 2: the with the team. And the, game so like as,

974
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 2: of right now do you have players that are like

975
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 2: at the front of the class with regards to the

976
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 2: level of opponent that they played against and the production,

977
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 2: that they had and guys that you like based.

978
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 3: On Those metrics.

979
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: Caleb downs is.

980
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,280
Speaker 3: Head, and shoulders wait everybody.

981
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: Else Doesn't Everybody? Like caleb downs though it's not the.

982
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:49,479
Speaker 6: Spiciest take ever i'll go to a spicy my man

983
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 6: crush is actually out here, On, The, field rodriguez Okay Actor.

984
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 2: From texas tech and because is that because of all

985
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 2: the turnovers that he's generated Or.

986
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 3: It's everything he's in the right spot at.

987
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: The, Right time okay.

988
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 2: I'm, Glad you said i'm glad you worded. It, that

989
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 2: way yeah what is the right spot at? The right

990
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 2: time and how do? You, determine that like because that's the,

991
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 2: Thing ABOUT analytics like i Was talking to jason about.

992
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,439
Speaker 2: The baseball thing baseball there's so, many data points there's.

993
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 2: So many, opportunities in football it feels like every play

994
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 2: is its, own Magical, unicorn right jeremy and so like,

995
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 2: here it's like he's, the right. Spot right time but

996
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 2: what does that look like in terms?

997
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 6: Of YOUR charting so i actually will go in and

998
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 6: look at the coverage that was called and where you were.

999
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 6: In your coverage so if you're supposed to sit down

1000
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 6: at a five yard zone and you're, eight yards off you.

1001
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 6: Get a negative but if you sit down in a

1002
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 6: five yard zone and you're, at five yards it's where

1003
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 6: you were.

1004
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: Supposed to be his game scripts kind of look like.

1005
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 5: A bowling card there's a lot of, axes And lines

1006
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 5: and i'm not gonnae. To see it the first time he,

1007
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 5: TOLD me this i kind Of felt like Jack and,

1008
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 5: The bean stuff like he had a bag of magic beans, and,

1009
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:54,879
Speaker 5: he went here these.

1010
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: Are for you. These are MAGIC.

1011
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 5: But then I saw because i'm not an analytics Guy

1012
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 5: log and i'm. Telling, This before yeah i'm a can you?

1013
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 5: Play ball guy i've enough, tape you say you? Break it,

1014
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 5: down football player not. A football player but then the

1015
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 5: first year, we did this he sends me His list

1016
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 5: and i'm going through it, going you know it's shocking

1017
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 5: how many of these guys that were.

1018
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: In lockstep on.

1019
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 2: So the OTHER one that i have a question on

1020
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 2: is because like everyone coaches cover two a, little bit

1021
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 2: different everyone coaches their four man front a. Little bit

1022
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 2: different how do you make that discernment, to say this

1023
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 2: is it just kind, of a blanket this is how

1024
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:28,919
Speaker 2: we run cover?

1025
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 3: Two for everybody or is there.

1026
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 2: Some individualized because there's no way HOW many, games i,

1027
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 2: Mean that's like i'm sure you don't.

1028
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: WANT to, know i know thousands of.

1029
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 5: Thousands of games his spreadsheet he sent to me literally

1030
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 5: takes about forty five seconds.

1031
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:41,919
Speaker 3: Open up because.

1032
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 6: It's so long, it gets massive especially this time of

1033
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 6: year when the data is all In it and i'm

1034
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 6: not working every week putting, in you know eighty.

1035
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:52,479
Speaker 3: Games, a day.

1036
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 1: Dude that's unbelievable that's what he does.

1037
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 5: For a living his day job is in this exact

1038
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 5: same vein with what railroads or drains or dad.

1039
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 6: Analytics, for logistics okay so Again, you said Rodriguez.

1040
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 2: You mentioned down's is there anybody else that people? Are

1041
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 2: should be no one based on your.

1042
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: With this.

1043
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 2: Scene i'm sorry this seems like, a crazy quest a Crazy.

1044
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 2: Odyssey to mordor I'M really glad i don't have, to

1045
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,879
Speaker 2: do it and numbers. Like It's unbelievable so i'm curious

1046
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 2: if there's any the names we.

1047
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 6: Should know about he's a late round, Guy, That's Here, CLARK, bud, clark.

1048
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 3: Tcu Dude he's not he's had.

1049
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:36,959
Speaker 6: A great week he's had, a great week and it's

1050
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 6: it's kind of a confirmation bias For me because i've

1051
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 6: looked at other people, and they're, saying, you, know fourth,

1052
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 6: fifth Sixth round and i've got him high Third, on

1053
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 6: myne yeah how.

1054
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:48,399
Speaker 3: It BROKE down so i.

1055
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 2: Mean, AFTER this week i would say, it's YOU know

1056
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,359
Speaker 2: because i haven't watched, him yet obviously but here, at

1057
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 2: this practice like he's been set a, turnover every DAY

1058
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 2: got a, PBu every day.

1059
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: He's made a great run.

1060
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 2: Fit every day and, so to me that's A guy

1061
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 2: that i'd say that feels like third a late. Day two,

1062
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,399
Speaker 2: player but, again you're you're you're your algorithm's way.

1063
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 1: Ahead of us on, that, sounds like.

1064
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 6: Yeah, That's he says i'm, a wizard sometimes and that's just.

1065
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 6: How it works his secrets worked. Well for me his.

1066
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 5: Secret sauce TO me is i always call this forty

1067
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 5: four ing because it seems like there's always a forty

1068
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,919
Speaker 5: four of he's got A guy and i'm Going through

1069
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 5: and i've got his players situated, up by school and

1070
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 5: then here's FORTY four. That i don't and this guy

1071
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 5: could have done my taxes last YEAR for, all i

1072
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 5: know and he's got him at two eighty two. On

1073
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 5: his Board so now i'm sitting here watching tape on

1074
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 5: A guy that i have to keep.

1075
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: Going back to? What's his name so is.

1076
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 2: There anybody That you GUYS jeremy And uh and bill

1077
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 2: are are really? FAR off on i guess would be, my,

1078
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 2: other question right like where the analytics don't quite line

1079
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 2: up with what you know the eye guy is Seeing, HERE.

1080
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 1: In jeremy i don't think Of one that i'm?

1081
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 2: Are you guy you guys pretty aligned because you guys

1082
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 2: spend once you guys obviously spend a lot of, time

1083
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 2: together too.

1084
00:45:58,360 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: So we do spend a lot.

1085
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 5: Of time together one of the things that's advantageous and

1086
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 5: something we're gonna do tonight is that we're gonna sit

1087
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 5: down and take my tape board, his analytic board and

1088
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 5: we're gonna combine them. Into a composite we've never, done

1089
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 5: this before so we're gonna set up a camera and

1090
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 5: we're just gonna argue until there's a consensus, of some

1091
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 5: kind how many it may last all the way back.

1092
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 5: TO the carrol i don't know.

1093
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 1: How long do you guys have locked for this Segment,

1094
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: of your well you got to meet the girl that runs.

1095
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 5: Our, rough yesterday yeah she's already sick of us to,

1096
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 5: the point, of you know she missed day three, of

1097
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 5: THE practices but, i tell her you should be ready

1098
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 5: because there's gonna be a lot of fat guys yelling

1099
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 5: at each other.

1100
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: And, we, go so yeah nobody comes to mind, at

1101
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 1: The moment but i'm Sure there.

1102
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 5: Are the door is THE one that i remember the

1103
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 5: most specifically because he, has him really, really Really high

1104
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 5: and i'm see.

1105
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 3: That's what he's but he's.

1106
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: BEEN really productive I.

1107
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 5: Like him the thing, for Me is and i've said

1108
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 5: this with A, lot OF miami so i have to

1109
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 5: scout them for. Thirty two teams mesador is one of

1110
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 5: THOSE guys that i Think can be he can be

1111
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 5: a stud for.

1112
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: Seven of them the.

1113
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 5: OTHER twenty five i don't know that he ever actually,

1114
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 5: hits THAT plateau so i almost have to dumb it

1115
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 5: down where he gets really.

1116
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 1: Into the minotion so why do.

1117
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 2: You think he's so high in terms of? The Agro

1118
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 2: induction is the reason he's so high is.

1119
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 1: It's.

1120
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 6: Absolutely production huh there is a scheme element. To, The

1121
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:26,760
Speaker 6: EQUATION sure and i understand that he is. A niche

1122
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 6: player i guess what's?

1123
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 3: Niche?

1124
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,800
Speaker 2: ABOUT him though i mean he's he's good, Against the

1125
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 2: run he's got a diverse set. Of pass, rushing with

1126
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 2: me he is twenty, five years old so he's. An,

1127
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 2: OLDER gentleman oh i mean he's.

1128
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: Almost, an, aarpge well.

1129
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 3: No it's tough you.

1130
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 5: KNOW what's funny i don't actually take age all, that

1131
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 5: into account.

1132
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: Even for a player like. A defensive lineman i.

1133
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 5: Do if they so if you get, to twenty four twenty,

1134
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,919
Speaker 5: five years old and that's where The first time i've

1135
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 5: ever seen you.

1136
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 1: Be that Guy That's the.

1137
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 5: Canty picket, rule you know he was out there playing

1138
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 5: against guys that his kids were probably gonna be playing

1139
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 5: against because he.

1140
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: Was twenty four.

1141
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 5: And, They're eighteen mezza door's been pretty solidly good, Over

1142
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 5: The years so i'm not gonna hold that against. YOU as,

1143
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 5: much i, mean because look we had the kid Last,

1144
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 5: Year From teleda darius alexander that Went, to, THE giants

1145
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 5: right i think he was thirty, six years old but.

1146
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,720
Speaker 5: He was productive he was, twenty five obviously Thirty six twenty.

1147
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 2: So is are there any players that aren't productive that

1148
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 2: are graded well? In YOUR system like i think? About

1149
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 2: not sure sanders the guy Got drafted to, Cincinnati Last, year,

1150
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 2: shamar stewart.

1151
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 1: Right not very.

1152
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 2: Productive athletic freak how does he weigh in a System

1153
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 2: like that you've got set up.

1154
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 6: Here, at the athletics which we'll Get after the contraline.

1155
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 6: More in depth it's a balancing act between. Production, versus,

1156
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 6: athletics okay obviously if you have production and, you have

1157
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 6: athletics you're gonna.

1158
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 1: Write really high but. It's a balance it is a balancing.

1159
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 2: Act, between IT yeah And i think that's THE thing

1160
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 2: that i find really interesting because those are all subjective

1161
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 2: decisions you're making when you're constructing, this formula correct and

1162
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 2: so it's really comes back down to like your own

1163
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 2: even though you're doing, all this math it comes down

1164
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 2: to your own biases a little bit when you're putting.

1165
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: This thing together there's an element of it in that there.

1166
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 5: Has, to be yeah, it's Just like because i'll be

1167
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 5: honest with if there was a mathematical formula to, figure

1168
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 5: it out somebody in this stadium, we figured out we'd,

1169
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 5: all be, rich no doubt and we'd be sitting here

1170
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 5: with your mister wizard formula going well.

1171
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: The numbers today he's a.

1172
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 5: Second round here but we're not doing that because there's

1173
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 5: there's guys that just don't. Make ANY sense and i

1174
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 5: think with the two of us kind of bouncing these

1175
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 5: things off, of each other it gives. You the element

1176
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 5: if he, watches the tape he. HAS the numbers i.

1177
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 5: Watch the tape i'm kind of getting more into scheme

1178
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,399
Speaker 5: fits and, things like that and it's, Is, it.

1179
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: Perfect no, but nothing's.

1180
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 2: Perfect BUT nothing but i have heard the teams are

1181
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,280
Speaker 2: moving more towards this model where they have, your traditional

1182
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 2: scout Which would be jerry, in this case and then

1183
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:52,399
Speaker 2: their analytics department that, has THEIR formula which i think

1184
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 2: again this is kind of an interesting small. Representation of that.

1185
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 3: So where can we? Find this content where can we find.

1186
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,879
Speaker 5: Bills and jeremies so we're this is the first year

1187
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 5: and we talked about the composite Board At, the sports

1188
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 5: oocracy as all of our, Social media is we're doing the.

1189
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: Composite and then mine.

1190
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:13,839
Speaker 5: Will come out his rankings by themselves are under it's

1191
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 5: nice cloak and dagger behind. The locked door i'm afraid

1192
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:19,879
Speaker 5: somebody will reverse engineer this or they'll see, IT.

1193
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: And go i can, pay YOU money and i can't

1194
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: do that as, opposed to friendship.

1195
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 5: And currently he has paid, in good vibes good times.

1196
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 5: And do whatever it's stupid leaving fireball and, fireball that's

1197
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 5: right that.

1198
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 3: Happens.

1199
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 1: AS well, WELL i, mean, i mean guys thank.

1200
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 2: YOU so, much i mean this is really fascinating to,

1201
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 2: me because again this is part of the Draft process

1202
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 2: that i'm. Still learning about so to hear kind of

1203
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 2: your process and how you've constructed this thing. Has been

1204
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 2: fascinating over the course, last three days. So appreciate you

1205
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 2: sharing appreciate, you coming on and hopefully we can have

1206
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 2: another chat Maybe after the combine and get the full.

1207
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 2: Athletic PRODUCTION score and i really appreciate you. Guys coming, on, thank,

1208
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 2: you guys. Absolutely, THANK you okay i. THINK that's it

1209
00:50:58,200 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 2: i mean we could. Talk tight ends we'll do. That

1210
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 2: another time, i'm and man this has been a lot

1211
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,240
Speaker 2: of fun. Being down, here great. Weather great environment.

1212
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 4: Absolutely the NEXT stop, for i mean we'll Have shows

1213
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:08,879
Speaker 4: every monday leading Up, to the combine but the next

1214
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 4: big Stop is the. Combine for us and the Thing

1215
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 4: about the Combine With the senior bowl and then the

1216
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 4: tape is to do like as you, were saying earlier

1217
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 4: you're gonna have one of the three right at that

1218
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,839
Speaker 4: famous saying in our line is you, canna have cheap you're,

1219
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 4: gonna have good and you can have. Fast pick two

1220
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 4: it's impossible to have all three for evaluating. In a

1221
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 4: prospect you, have the film you, have the bowls the

1222
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 4: competition for the, all star competitions and you. Have the

1223
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 4: combine if you're good at two, it right too you

1224
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:41,479
Speaker 4: might be.

1225
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 3: A HECK of.

1226
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 4: An, Nfl player right so we have the last stop

1227
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 4: in that triangle of good that we're looking for.

1228
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 2: In the, Combine, COMING up yeah, i can't wait and

1229
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 2: thank you guys so.

1230
00:51:52,160 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 1: Much for listening, but for. Today, that's it yeah