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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show.
Speaker 3: My name is Matt, my name is Noel.
Speaker 4: They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our
Speaker 4: super producer Alexis code named Dot Holliday Jackson. Most importantly,
Speaker 4: are you. You are here that makes this the stuff
Speaker 4: they don't want you to know. We're going to give.
Speaker 3: Some rude, tripped advice to a.
Speaker 4: Fellow conspiracy realist. We're going to learn about how the
Speaker 4: nation of Canada agrees with us about some very dire predictions.
Speaker 4: We're going to get introduced to a fringe, very strange
Speaker 4: political cabal in the US. I might have a letter
Speaker 4: from home if we've got time, But first things first,
Speaker 4: for our listener mail program this evening, we got a
Speaker 4: We got just a fantastic letter that I think we
Speaker 4: all read with avid interest.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, we got a message from lex. This is
Speaker 2: just their experience in a weird situation, and it's right
Speaker 2: up our alley. We think it'll be up yours too.
Speaker 2: So let's get started, guys, what do you say we
Speaker 2: round robin this thing. I'll kick us off here, Lex
Speaker 2: says stuff they don't want you to know crewe. Hey, guys,
Speaker 2: I just wanted to start off by saying I'm a
Speaker 2: longtime listener and I love everything you put together.
Speaker 3: Yeah you do, Lex, No, just show you.
Speaker 2: Thank you for that. That's very kind. I'm writing this
Speaker 2: email to share an experience I had with the CIA
Speaker 2: that I think you might enjoy. About a year ago,
Speaker 2: I was working as an investigator for the Department of Labor.
Speaker 2: I've since returned to private industry. When my office received
Speaker 2: a complaint from a contractor at a major CIA campus
Speaker 2: in northern Virginia. As a long term conspiracy realist and
Speaker 2: fan of the show, I could not let this opportunity
Speaker 2: go by. I immediately volunteered to take the case.
Speaker 5: For most employers covered in my jurisdiction, I would just
Speaker 5: show up an announce to conduct an inspection slash investigation. However,
Speaker 5: with the CIA, I suspected that my dol badge wasn't
Speaker 5: going to be enough, so with some cooperation from the
Speaker 5: complainant and extra digging on my part, I eventually made
Speaker 5: contact with the security team for that CIA campus. I
Speaker 5: had to provide some information for an expedited background check,
Speaker 5: and within a couple of days I was on the
Speaker 5: road for a four hour drive from my office to
Speaker 5: the incident location.
Speaker 3: Fun fact, I happened to have been listening to.
Speaker 5: Your audiobook Oh Thank You at the time, which provided
Speaker 5: the perfect on Beyonce for what was to come.
Speaker 4: And quick editorial note here before we continued. Lex I
Speaker 4: read this with great, great interest and was actually holding
Speaker 4: off on right to you until he could share this
Speaker 4: on air, So be expectant. It continues, Lex continues. As
Speaker 4: I reached the location given to me, I quickly realized
Speaker 4: that I was at a dummy location. The GPS took
Speaker 4: me to a construction site packed between abandoned buildings, and
Speaker 4: there was a guard shack at the entrance of the
Speaker 4: construction site and about six security officers armed with machine
Speaker 4: guns stepped out of it. Right as I rounded the corner.
Speaker 4: The guy who looked to be in charge ordered me
Speaker 4: to turn off the car and roll down my window.
Speaker 4: After I provided him my driver's license and the name
Speaker 4: of the security officer that Lex was supposed to meet,
Speaker 4: he told me to turn around and follow a black
Speaker 4: suv to the actual facility entrance. I turned the car
Speaker 4: around and see the suv waiting on the road for me.
Speaker 4: This is when it gets weird.
Speaker 2: I reached for my phone to call my boss and
Speaker 2: let him know I've arrived and things are very cia,
Speaker 2: but my phone, which was just on using the GPS
Speaker 2: and plugged in, was off. I turned it back on,
Speaker 2: but it had no service. I then tried my work
Speaker 2: cell that was also off and had a dead cell signal. Bizarrely,
Speaker 2: both cell phones remained without service while I followed the
Speaker 2: black suv on public roads for about ten minutes.
Speaker 5: Eventually we pulled off onto a nondescript road that looked
Speaker 5: like some rich guy's driveway and followed that down to
Speaker 5: the facilities gate. At the gate, I'm asked to park
Speaker 5: my car and meet the security officer I had arranged
Speaker 5: with as he would be my escort. I parked the car,
Speaker 5: got out, and walked over to him. We officially introduced
Speaker 5: ourselves and he reviewed the rules of the site, which
Speaker 5: included no electronics for visitors. At this point I realized
Speaker 5: that I had my work cell on my person. I
Speaker 5: disclosed this to the security officer and told him that
Speaker 5: I needed to drop it off in the car.
Speaker 4: We're going to paraphrase a little bit here, likes. When
Speaker 4: I returned to the car, I tried unlocking it with
Speaker 4: a keyfob, but nothing happened. I tried all of the
Speaker 4: buttons and the keyfob didn't work at all. I checked
Speaker 4: the phone again and saw that it still had no service.
Speaker 4: The security officer yelled over to me. I had to
Speaker 4: ask if everything is okay. I held back to him
Speaker 4: that the car won't unlock, and I think my G
Speaker 4: batteries are dead. He just nodded, pulled out his cell phone,
Speaker 4: which appeared to be working just fine, and he calls someone.
Speaker 4: Within thirty seconds, he tells me try it again, and
Speaker 4: suddenly the car unlocks. Curious, as I putting it away,
Speaker 4: I checked the cell phone and saw that it now
Speaker 4: had service.
Speaker 3: I know that.
Speaker 4: Signal jammers are not necessarily new technology, but it was
Speaker 4: still spooky to experience what I believe was one. The
Speaker 4: rest of the investigation proceeded fairly normally considering, but there
Speaker 4: were a few other funny and interesting details I think
Speaker 4: are worth sharing.
Speaker 2: First, the CIA staff I met with would only give
Speaker 2: me their first names. I put that in quotes because
Speaker 2: their names were also bland that it was obvious they
Speaker 2: were fake. Everyone was Jack, Jill, Steve, Alex, et cetera.
Speaker 2: Similar to the alias names, the email addresses I was
Speaker 2: given were odd. For those that don't know, federal agencies
Speaker 2: use a similar formula. Last name period, middle initial period,
Speaker 2: first name at department and that's the initials of the department,
Speaker 2: so like dot gov. So for example, John Sdoe from
Speaker 2: the Department of Labor would have the email Doe dot
Speaker 2: s dot John at DOL dot gov. Well, the CIA
Speaker 2: guys all gave me we'd Gmail accounts as their official
Speaker 2: work emails, and it was clear they had fun with
Speaker 2: the account names. It would be something like a built
Speaker 2: forty year old man with an email address Pixiecandle five
Speaker 2: seventy two at gmail dot com. I guess having an
Speaker 2: email address that ends in at CIA dot gov is
Speaker 2: bad spycraft.
Speaker 3: No, for sure.
Speaker 5: Another funny detail I think you would appreciate is that
Speaker 5: all of the contractors I talked to also used aliases,
Speaker 5: but their aliases were a bit more overt. They identify
Speaker 5: each other as cryptids. I mean the investigation. I had
Speaker 5: formal written statements from Sasquatch, Chupacabra, NeSSI, Mothman, and others. Finally,
Speaker 5: an interesting detail I picked up from talking with the
Speaker 5: manager of the CIA was that they're having a hard
Speaker 5: time recruiting people, not from a lack of applicants, but
Speaker 5: from finding people who can pass their background tests. Apparently
Speaker 5: the most common cause of disqualification is from music and
Speaker 5: textbook hiracy.
Speaker 3: Whoops.
Speaker 2: Anyways, I hope you all found this interesting. Feel free
Speaker 2: to share it on air if you want. Best wishes Lex. Well,
Speaker 2: my goodness, guys, what a message from Lex.
Speaker 3: What a story.
Speaker 2: I think the email addresses thing is like one of
Speaker 2: the most fun But the jammers, guys, jamming the signal
Speaker 2: from your your keyfob on your phone to your car
Speaker 2: pretty focused.
Speaker 4: You know so much for writing Inlex again, this is
Speaker 4: really awesome and we appreciate we appreciate the in detailed stuff.
Speaker 4: And I've got to tell you, guys, this probably is
Speaker 4: going to sound familiar to some of our listeners in
Speaker 4: the audience this evening.
Speaker 5: Yes, I guess, I just you know, look at to
Speaker 5: Lex's point, jammers certainly something we're aware of, but the
Speaker 5: precision that play here and the specificity of the various
Speaker 5: types of signals and the ability to kind of flip
Speaker 5: them on and off. Maybe maybe that is old hat
Speaker 5: to people that are more familiar with this cond of tech,
Speaker 5: but it seems.
Speaker 3: Pretty interesting to me.
Speaker 5: And also the email addresses with the gmails, it kind
Speaker 5: of reminds me of those auto generated passwords you'll find
Speaker 5: on the back of routers sometimes where it'll be like
Speaker 5: weird combinations of words and letters.
Speaker 3: Look, I had one years ago that was like.
Speaker 5: Large trumpet five seven six, you know, for the password
Speaker 5: that was auto generated. So I'm wondering if Pixie Candle
Speaker 5: five seven to two was in some way using some
Speaker 5: kind of algorithm to like generate weird combos of words
Speaker 5: and letters that couldn't be now figured out.
Speaker 2: That's innocuous. Maybe it sounds like that kid even or
Speaker 2: just a young adult, you know, something like that, very weird,
Speaker 2: very weird stuff. It strikes me as odd that they
Speaker 2: would even do those kind of procedures for an official
Speaker 2: investigation by something like the Department of Labor. I don't know,
Speaker 2: that's odd. Like I guess attempting to hide the location
Speaker 2: of where the actual facility is. I guess that's the
Speaker 2: reason and in case someone else is tracking that phone
Speaker 2: as it's coming in or something like that.
Speaker 5: Kind of reminds me of like taking someone to a
Speaker 5: secure location where you have to blindfold.
Speaker 3: Them or something like that. I mean, you know, it's different.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that is just really weird to me that
Speaker 2: they would do that to basically other governmental organizations on
Speaker 2: official business. All right, well, hey, if that's that's all
Speaker 2: we got, Thank you so much Lex for writing in.
Speaker 2: We will be right back with more messages from you.
Speaker 5: And we've returned with a bit of conspiracy vacation. A
Speaker 5: request came in from a listener. I'm just gonna leave
Speaker 5: anonymous because they didn't give a nickname, and I.
Speaker 3: Hope this is helpful.
Speaker 5: Asked for a responsive to email, but this was just
Speaker 5: too good not to share with everybody. I'm a huge
Speaker 5: fan of the podcast, and you guys have always recommended
Speaker 5: things that go along with whatever you're talking about in
Speaker 5: that episode. I was hoping to have some recommendations from
Speaker 5: you guys for my upcoming trips. I will be driving
Speaker 5: from Orlando, Florida to Williamsburg, Virginia for one trip, and
Speaker 5: from Orlando, Florida to Gatlinburg Tennessee for another. Maybe you
Speaker 5: can also recommend some places in the state of Florida,
Speaker 5: where my husband and I live. I'd love for you
Speaker 5: guys to reply to this email with them.
Speaker 3: I hope this is not a big ass or any
Speaker 3: inconvenience for you.
Speaker 1: Guys.
Speaker 5: Can up the amazing work, and I look forward to
Speaker 5: the episodes to come. Well, hopefully you'll enjoy hearing.
Speaker 3: From all three of us on this one.
Speaker 5: I only provided stuff for the first trip, so maybe
Speaker 5: we'll save the second one for another time. But hopefully
Speaker 5: these are some points of interest. My mind initially, maybe
Speaker 5: in bad geography, jumped to Point Pleasant, West Virginia.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Virginia, Virginias are the same.
Speaker 5: Right now, It's about six hours out of the way
Speaker 5: to go to Point Pleasant, where the Mothman Museum is,
Speaker 5: and we have been to where there's that incredible buff
Speaker 5: statue of the Mothman bounce a quarter off of his
Speaker 5: metal but really cool little museum and tour, but probably
Speaker 5: not for this trip.
Speaker 3: A little too out of the way.
Speaker 5: So where I did land was in that route, or
Speaker 5: at least what Google Maps kind of created. Is that
Speaker 5: route you pass through Savannah, Georgia, which is a really
Speaker 5: cool gothic, kind of old worldly kind of city, very
Speaker 5: akin to New Orleans in terms of its pirate history
Speaker 5: and sort of you know port kind of city vibes,
Speaker 5: which comes with a lot of interesting things, including lots
Speaker 5: of ghost stories as well as some murders most foul.
Speaker 5: And I found a really cool article actually from the
Speaker 5: I Think Savannah Visitors Bureau, the six most haunted places
Speaker 5: in Savannah that you can actually visit, so you could
Speaker 5: do this on your own without even having to employ
Speaker 5: a tour And then I'll give you a couple recommendations
Speaker 5: for that. The Hamilton Turner In was a site of
Speaker 5: filming from the movie Midnight in the Garden of Good
Speaker 5: and Evil, and it is said to be a hub
Speaker 5: of paranormal activity inside the inn, of people have reported
Speaker 5: hearing the sounds of children laughing in billiard balls clicking
Speaker 5: around on the upper floors in the night, as well
Speaker 5: as sightings of a strange cigar smoking man on the roof.
Speaker 3: Then we also have the Marshall House, which USA.
Speaker 5: Today named one of the best haunted hotels in the
Speaker 5: US since eighteen fifty one. I didn't even know that
Speaker 5: was the thing that USA Today chimed in on what
Speaker 5: good to Know since eighteen fifty one, this hotel was
Speaker 5: actually each is a hospital several times, and we've seen
Speaker 5: that in a lot of the stories that we've told
Speaker 5: on this podcast about haunted places that the site of
Speaker 5: pain and suffering and illness and tragedy are often seem
Speaker 5: to be imbued with some kind of like you know,
Speaker 5: energy that remains, whether it be ghosts or just kind
Speaker 5: of bad vibes. Check out our episode on vibes. In
Speaker 5: one of these instances where the Marshall House was a hospital,
Speaker 5: it housed Union soldiers, and then another two times for
Speaker 5: the nineteenth century yellow fever epidemics and guests have reported
Speaker 5: numerous paranormal encounters such as ghosts in the hallway and again.
Speaker 3: The creepy, the creepiest of ghostly.
Speaker 5: Sounds that have children laughing and running down the halls,
Speaker 5: as well as faucets turning on and off by themselves.
Speaker 3: Highly recommend checking out the rest of this list.
Speaker 5: I got to just mentioned the Pirates House, which is
Speaker 5: a really cool restaurant, kind of goofy, you know you can,
Speaker 5: it's very pirate theme.
Speaker 3: Get your pirate cocktails.
Speaker 5: They get a little hat you can put on the kids,
Speaker 5: but the building itself, while today a super touristy kind
Speaker 5: of you know, eatery, does have a bit of a
Speaker 5: dark past. Many folks were essentially robbed and taken captive
Speaker 5: in this boarding house basement, and they were forced to
Speaker 5: serve a life at sea.
Speaker 3: So check out this article if you want to see
Speaker 3: some more.
Speaker 5: They're also a ton of ghost tours and I can't
Speaker 5: not recommend The Mad Cat Tour's true crime pub crawl,
Speaker 5: the original Savannah Murder tour, and from their website it
Speaker 5: asked you to join them on a twilight true crime
Speaker 5: investigation of Savannah's murderous, scandalous, fascinating pass complead with serial killers,
Speaker 5: crimes of passion, and compelling unsolved cases with stops at
Speaker 5: bars all on the way four bars, Grab yourself some
Speaker 5: drinks and hear the sordid history of Savannah, Georgia's true crime,
Speaker 5: including a murder that resulted in more than.
Speaker 3: One hundred arrests. What's that about? I don't even know.
Speaker 5: I don't want to give too much away, but I
Speaker 5: do think this one would be worth booking.
Speaker 2: It sounds awesome. I keep thinking about the sound of
Speaker 2: like pool balls or billiard balls clanking above me if
Speaker 2: I know that there's no one up there to physically
Speaker 2: hit those balls, because it takes, you know, it takes
Speaker 2: a lot of exertion to move those balls. I guess
Speaker 2: I have seen videos of a cat moving billiard balls before,
Speaker 2: but I don't know. It still strikes me as needing
Speaker 2: a lot of kinetic force that if it was a
Speaker 2: spirit or ghost or hunting of some sort, it would
Speaker 2: be a powerful one.
Speaker 5: Agree and Ben, I just want one more on the
Speaker 5: kind of maybe a little flip back around from Williamsburg,
Speaker 5: Virginia back to Orlando. Slight changeing route. You'll pass right
Speaker 5: through the outer Banks of North Carolina, which in and
Speaker 5: of themselves apparently worth the price of admission. But in
Speaker 5: the Outer Banks area is the site of the lost
Speaker 5: colony of Roanoak, which we have covered here on this
Speaker 5: very podcast.
Speaker 4: Yeah, shut up, crow ten, that's a great call. I
Speaker 4: think all of these recommendations are fantastic. We also anonymous.
Speaker 4: We are big fans, as you and your significant other
Speaker 4: maybe of the Weird Blank series Weird Us. There's one
Speaker 4: for every state now Weird Alaska, Weird, Virginia, Weird Florida,
Speaker 4: and those books are similar to Atlas Obscure. They're great
Speaker 4: guides to things in your area without building out a
Speaker 4: full itittererary. There are some things in Gatlinburg that I
Speaker 4: think would be of interest to you all. Also in
Speaker 4: Pigeon Forge, which is just about twenty minutes away from
Speaker 4: Gatlinburg via car there's one that I have not been to.
Speaker 4: But we need boots on the ground, folks. We need
Speaker 4: someone to tell us whether this is cool. The Alcatraz
Speaker 4: East Crime Museum in Pigeon Forge, Tennessee. Yeah, it feels
Speaker 4: like it's right up our alley and maybe yours as well.
Speaker 3: Anonymous absolutely.
Speaker 5: And then just really really quickly as pertains to the
Speaker 5: Roanoke situation, there is a museum that has a lot
Speaker 5: of artifacts that were left behind by these disappeared colonists.
Speaker 3: And just for a quick little bit of background, please
Speaker 3: do check out our episode on it.
Speaker 5: There were settlers who arrived in this part of North
Speaker 5: Carolina in fifteen eighty seven, and in fifteen ninety soldiers
Speaker 5: came and found that the place had been entirely abandoned,
Speaker 5: leaving only the word crow atoin carved onto one.
Speaker 3: Of the gate posts.
Speaker 5: Of the fort as well as crow etched into a tree.
Speaker 5: Cro and conspiracy theories have abounded from Native American attacks
Speaker 5: to much more nefarious and sinister things like I believe
Speaker 5: even like cannibalism or something. There was several real gnarly
Speaker 5: ones that were in there, like you know, some sort
Speaker 5: of cultish type activity.
Speaker 3: And maybe I don't know, do you guys have any
Speaker 3: favorite theories?
Speaker 5: I know, I think there was some excavation in the
Speaker 5: past decade or so that sort of led to a
Speaker 5: little bit more of a concrete understanding of what likely happens.
Speaker 4: Starvation and privation leading to assimilation with the with the
Speaker 4: native people's I think it is probably the best bet.
Speaker 3: There you go.
Speaker 2: I've got one more shout out, guys. A little while back,
Speaker 2: we had a listener that called in. We talked to
Speaker 2: him a bit, and we purchased some of his maps,
Speaker 2: and I think we are all the proud owners now
Speaker 2: of the Map in Black, which is a very large,
Speaker 2: oversized map of the United States that shows cryptid sightings
Speaker 2: and like hot spots for certain cryptids and haunted places.
Speaker 2: Highly recommend it if you can afford it and you
Speaker 2: want to check it out. We are not sponsored by them,
Speaker 2: but it's just it's a neat resource to have if
Speaker 2: you're going on one of these trips like this, and
Speaker 2: for your second leg of the trip, that might be
Speaker 2: a good way to find some stuff to do.
Speaker 5: And to Ben's point about the weird America, so there
Speaker 5: are also like Atlas Obscura is really great, and any
Speaker 5: kind of roadside oddities.
Speaker 3: There's tons of them on these.
Speaker 5: Type of coastal drives that would maybe be outside of
Speaker 5: the scope of this conversation here, but like I think
Speaker 5: you could probably do a little bit of digging and
Speaker 5: find some neat places to stop along the way. But
Speaker 5: hopefully Savannah is a really cool place to spend a
Speaker 5: couple of days even And then outer Banks in general,
Speaker 5: I've heard wonderful things about have never been, but it's
Speaker 5: apparently quite beautiful in and of itself. And then you
Speaker 5: got the added conspiracy bonus of the Roanoke site.
Speaker 4: And this may be something we go into more detail
Speaker 4: in an email to you, Anonymous, but it will see
Speaker 4: on Aeron. I think this applies to everyone. If you
Speaker 4: have the time in a road trip in these great
Speaker 4: United States, do your best not to take the interstates,
Speaker 4: try to take the back roads. It's going to take longer,
Speaker 4: but you'll see more stuff. I'm a huge fan of that,
Speaker 4: and I'm also you know you have you all have
Speaker 4: a wealth of amazing weird things to see in your
Speaker 4: own locale of Orlando. I'm thinking back years ago. I
Speaker 4: believe it was a car stuff episode. I learned about
Speaker 4: the singing Runway of Orlando. This is not so much creepy,
Speaker 4: it's just really weird if you like urban exploration and
Speaker 4: abandoned stuff. In the nineteen seventies, Disney wanted to build
Speaker 4: a runway that would be like a peak Disney experience
Speaker 4: as soon as you landed or took off, and it
Speaker 4: didn't work out spoilers. The runway was shut down and
Speaker 4: abandoned and it's technically closed. But if you are if
Speaker 4: you get out that way in Orlando and you drive
Speaker 4: on this runway which is still around, at a speed
Speaker 4: higher than forty five miles an hour, it will play
Speaker 4: the song when you Wish upon a Star.
Speaker 3: No way, Yes, said.
Speaker 5: Oh man, that's pretty neat. What have you run really fast?
Speaker 4: I don't know, play it at a slower speed tires
Speaker 4: or will it just play like a chopped and screwed version.
Speaker 3: I'm wondering.
Speaker 4: Man, Yeah, let's circuit been that bad boy? Yeah, oh,
Speaker 4: there we go, circuit ending. I mean, I love that stuff.
Speaker 4: And there's so much I mean, of course, the Kennedy
Speaker 4: Space Center. I don't know how it is for people
Speaker 4: living in Orlando. I mean it's like Titusville is what
Speaker 4: an hour south of Orlando? So is it like how
Speaker 4: New Yorkers see the Statue of Liberty every day and
Speaker 4: they just never actually visit or you know, how excited
Speaker 4: are people about the Space Center? There are so many things. Yeah,
Speaker 4: we'll just have to we'll have to email you a list.
Speaker 4: And no, I think you did a fantastic job with
Speaker 4: those Savannah recommendations. Savannah is a place that has such
Speaker 4: beauty and history to it. It is also a very
Speaker 4: haunted place, whether or not you believe in ghost because
Speaker 4: the past and the present are palum sest.
Speaker 5: Well, let's take a quick pause and have a word
Speaker 5: more Sponsor and then come back with another mess from you.
Speaker 4: All right, we've returned. We're going to give you just
Speaker 4: a couple of quick ones here and one thing that
Speaker 4: really want the group opinion on, and then a little
Speaker 4: a nice little letter from home, So we're beginning ending
Speaker 4: with our neighbors to the north. Bob m writes to
Speaker 4: us and says, check out the link here, and Bob
Speaker 4: provides us a link. The RCMP, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police,
Speaker 4: Canada's federal police force, created this document that got obtained
Speaker 4: by a lawyer through Canada's version of a FOIA request
Speaker 4: an Access to Information Privacy actor a TIP request way
Speaker 4: better acronym. Parts of it have been heavily redacted. The
Speaker 4: audience is not the public. The audience is management of
Speaker 4: the RCMP. So this is like an internal memo leak.
Speaker 4: And if you want to read this, folks, and go
Speaker 4: to ctvnews dot Ca and you can read excerpts of this.
Speaker 4: Just check for the article secret RCMP Report Forecast Oblique
Speaker 4: Future in Canada by Daniel Otis. And guys, this has
Speaker 4: some pretty terrifying stuff in here. It confirms a lot
Speaker 4: of things that we have predicted mentioned on this show.
Speaker 4: A lot of our fellow conspiracy realists have talked with
Speaker 4: us about it, and a ton of our personal friends
Speaker 4: in Canada are experiencing this. But it's weird to hear
Speaker 4: a government document say it so bluntly that's what we'll say.
Speaker 4: Say it bluntly, so like, for instance, it was published
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty three and it says Canada is reaching
Speaker 4: the end of abundance. Future economic forecasts are bleak.
Speaker 3: Quote.
Speaker 4: The coming periods of recession will also accelerate the decline
Speaker 4: in living standards that the younger generations have already witnessed
Speaker 4: compared to earlier generations. It goes on to state, quote,
Speaker 4: many Canadians under thirty five are unlikely ever to be
Speaker 4: able to buy a place to live, Which is that's
Speaker 4: kind of weird for the government itself to be saying that, right, a.
Speaker 2: Little bit, just being honest, man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but they're not being honest with the public. They're
Speaker 4: being honest with the management of the federal police force.
Speaker 2: Well, they're letting them know. Those folks are probably going
Speaker 2: to be a little peeved and watch out.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Quote, law enforcement should anticipate that these destructive weather patterns
Speaker 4: they're talking about, how the climate's going to be ruined
Speaker 4: to will affect all facets of government, including damaged infrastructure,
Speaker 4: pressure to seed Arctic territory, and more. Social and political
Speaker 4: polarization fueled by misinformation campaigns and increasing mistrust for all
Speaker 4: democratic institutions. Basically, they told the bosses of the RCMP
Speaker 4: and doc please beat me here. I've been trying to
Speaker 4: be better at this, but they told the bosses of
Speaker 4: the FEDS, the federal police is going to hit the fan.
Speaker 4: Be ready, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I can't. It's weird because I can't
Speaker 2: fault any of this stuff. I see all of this
Speaker 2: coming too. And I and I'm just a lay person
Speaker 2: sitting here, you know, in Georgia, well in California right now.
Speaker 2: But I yeah, I mean, doesn't it feel like this
Speaker 2: is the future?
Speaker 3: Guys?
Speaker 4: It does, doesn't it. It feels it feels somewhat, you know,
Speaker 4: in a.
Speaker 3: Very bleak way.
Speaker 4: It feels validating because now it's not just us. We
Speaker 4: are not heads of government, but now heads of government
Speaker 4: are saying this stuff in an increasingly open way. And you,
Speaker 4: because this is out in the public now, you can
Speaker 4: read that redacted version of the report. Weirdly enough, if
Speaker 4: you look at it looks like a brochure. You know,
Speaker 4: it's got a little word bubbles for different categories of
Speaker 4: terrible things.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's heavily reacted, but it's only Yeah.
Speaker 2: Sorry is it? Can you talk more about how the
Speaker 2: report was created, like was it Are these experts coming
Speaker 2: through weighing in or are they analyzing stuff that's just
Speaker 2: written online.
Speaker 4: It's called Whole of Government five Year Trends for Canada.
Speaker 4: It's relatively short, it's nine pages, and because it's so redacted,
Speaker 4: it's a breeze to read and endeavoring to be positive.
Speaker 4: Yet they based this on what they call open source
Speaker 4: information from over twenty twenty two and they got this
Speaker 4: from law enforcement agencies, government agencies, private industry, private entities
Speaker 4: domestic and international. So what they're saying is they read
Speaker 4: everything they could that could apply to this. They're not
Speaker 4: claiming and maybe this is where the question was going.
Speaker 4: They're not claiming to have any top secret information.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like they don't know of specific things that are
Speaker 2: to come. They're forecasting what could potentially happen based on
Speaker 2: what you know experts are saying and observing.
Speaker 4: Right, Like most people currently can't predict the future, but
Speaker 4: if you are, if you have driven your car off
Speaker 4: a cliff, you can make some assumptions about what's going
Speaker 4: to happen next, right, because you know the present factors.
Speaker 2: So many of us have accidentally done that, so no
Speaker 2: I follow.
Speaker 5: The GPS into the lake like Michael Scott happened.
Speaker 4: But a good Bob says, it appears to be based
Speaker 4: on that open source information. However, the focus and conclusions
Speaker 4: are chilling, and that's only the parts they allowed to
Speaker 4: be released, and Bob signs off with Developed Nations had
Speaker 4: a good run, I guess, which is, we can't leave
Speaker 4: you like that without a dope beat the step two folks,
Speaker 4: So we're going to give you, We're going to give
Speaker 4: you something else. I think that was validating, hopefully for
Speaker 4: a lot of people to hear that some of the
Speaker 4: concerns that are coming out and being more and more mainstreamed,
Speaker 4: they are real. It's not just a bunch of people
Speaker 4: making up alarmist stuff. And I think it's important to
Speaker 4: remember that when we when we hear these things in
Speaker 4: the future. But to want to give you one more
Speaker 4: dark side thing. You guys, remember how Haley introduced us
Speaker 4: to that terrifying cult the two Y two's. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 4: I think we may have hit a little bit of
Speaker 4: a nerve because we're getting introduced to more strange cultic
Speaker 4: organizations and that's where Skeptical dark Horse comes in. You
Speaker 4: have my permission to read this on air if you wish,
Speaker 4: and you call me Skeptical dark Horse. Can you please
Speaker 4: do an episode on the soccer group s a c R.
Speaker 4: The Society for American Civic Renewal. I'm sure you've likely
Speaker 4: heard of this group.
Speaker 3: We have not.
Speaker 4: Membership is limited to elite Christian, heterosexual right wing nationalists.
Speaker 3: Delightful folks.
Speaker 4: Yeah, final parties with the upcoming election and the group
Speaker 4: favoring a particular or an candidate. I think this is
Speaker 4: something important to help crack open. Thanks Roy, Do you
Speaker 4: guys listen daily? I appreciate you, Skeptical dark Horse. Now,
Speaker 4: you know, we were not getting into like the political
Speaker 4: ideology divide stuff unless it pertains to conspiracy. And first off,
Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure none of us had heard of this organization,
Speaker 4: right am?
Speaker 1: I correct?
Speaker 3: I have not. No, I have no sort of ones
Speaker 3: like it.
Speaker 4: We're already in no recollection territory. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: on record testimony, Yeah, the the Society for American Civic Renewal.
Speaker 4: We're learning a lot of this from an article that
Speaker 4: you hipped us to, Skeptical dark Horse, published in the
Speaker 4: Guardian by journalist Jason Wilson, and it is a biography
Speaker 4: or character sketch of a sort. It's titled The US
Speaker 4: Businessman is want to be Warlord of secret of far
Speaker 4: right Men's Network. And it's all about the guy, this
Speaker 4: guy named Charles Haywood, who also has financial ties with
Speaker 4: another institute, the Claremont Institute. They're weird. The guy Heywood
Speaker 4: himself seems to aspire to be a warlord after the
Speaker 4: collapse of the current American state. And if you go
Speaker 4: to their website, which the Guardian article links, it's like
Speaker 4: one page and it says our organization's goal is civilizational
Speaker 4: renaissance with strong leadership, committed to family and culture. Film
Speaker 4: a little bit Handmaid's Tale. It's a little bit, a
Speaker 4: little bit, a little bit.
Speaker 2: I'm going through the website now, let's see here. It's
Speaker 2: got a weird address.
Speaker 4: It really does archive dot. Oh well, this is the
Speaker 4: way the Guardian links it.
Speaker 3: I think too.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, yeah, I think that's that's so they could
Speaker 4: keep it stable in their article. But you can see
Speaker 4: the we fal see a nation building great projects of
Speaker 4: civic and cultural renaissance, a society with strong leadership, committed
Speaker 4: to family and culture, a society that nurtures rather than
Speaker 4: rejects virtue, a society that seeks the good and beautiful
Speaker 4: and abjures ideology that is sound and fury signifying nothing
Speaker 4: like how do you what do you define those words as?
Speaker 3: This is.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, slick malarkey, it's yep. There he goes the cenastasia.
Speaker 4: So the problem with this, at least in the opinion
Speaker 4: of its critics, is that they believe this is something
Speaker 4: they're calling palogenetic ultra nationalism, true fascism. In other words,
Speaker 4: that's from folks like Heidi Barrack, co founder of the
Speaker 4: Global Project on Hate and Extremism, And what they're worried
Speaker 4: about is that this group, which is a technically a nonprofit,
Speaker 4: maybe involved in creating organized secessionist forces like militias. It
Speaker 4: may be there, a may be a militia factory, and
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's got a really cool symbol.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's spend some time on it.
Speaker 2: They call it the mark.
Speaker 3: Well you describe it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, That's how I judge my extremist groups is by
Speaker 5: the quality of their branding.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the lower right. I mean, it's like when I'm
Speaker 3: picking that a bottle of wine.
Speaker 2: You know, I guess what I mean is like I
Speaker 2: can I don't know, I can imagine seeing that spray
Speaker 2: painted on walls or you know, emblazoned on a giant
Speaker 2: thing that gets unfurled on the capitol somewhere.
Speaker 3: Yikes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's.
Speaker 3: It is true.
Speaker 4: It reminds me of times when I was abroad and
Speaker 4: just the nicest neighborhoods and you walk outside and you
Speaker 4: see somebody's just covered an area with swastikas and stuff like, Yeah,
Speaker 4: it happens, It happens. It could as our power. Robert
Speaker 4: Evans says, it could happen here. And this some of
Speaker 4: these claims in the article go to Heywood's own I
Speaker 4: don't know if it's fantasizing or if it's ambitious, actionable writing,
Speaker 4: but he talks about things that he calls armed patronage network,
Speaker 4: and they're saying the central authorities breakdown somehow, and so
Speaker 4: you have these franchised militias and then you know, you know,
Speaker 4: like a regional warlord, a capo, and then like you know,
Speaker 4: a megaboss warlord, which would be Heywood himself. Because usually
Speaker 4: when people write stuff like this they're putting themselves in
Speaker 4: that top slot. He says the following. At this moment,
Speaker 4: I preside over what amounts do then did quite sizable compound, which,
Speaker 4: when complete, I like to say accurately, will be impervious
Speaker 4: to anything but direct organized military attack.
Speaker 3: It requires a group.
Speaker 4: Of men to make it work. What I call shooters,
Speaker 4: say fifteen able bodied, adequately trained men who can operate
Speaker 4: my compound both defensively and administratively. Meanwhile, I have the
Speaker 4: personality and skills to lead such a group. I feel
Speaker 4: like whatever people say I'm the leader, they're kind of
Speaker 4: showing that they're not the leader, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: the personality and the skills. I don't know. We know
Speaker 4: that there are a lot of separatist networks out there,
Speaker 4: and they're not necessarily all far right, to be fair,
Speaker 4: and they don't always work together. But the question that
Speaker 4: the current authorities always ask themselves is how serious are
Speaker 4: these people?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 4: How often are they going to go afk away from
Speaker 4: keyboard and get out there and do some of the
Speaker 4: stuff they're talking about? And I don't know, it feels
Speaker 4: like it's it feels like it gets really complicated really
Speaker 4: quickly because you don't want to impinge on people's rights,
Speaker 4: you know, if they want to live in a commune
Speaker 4: and they're not hurting anybody, and you should be able
Speaker 4: to do so. But I mean, what's the line? What happens?
Speaker 4: Can you just do? You just have to monitor these
Speaker 4: people and hope they don't escalate.
Speaker 2: Well, we need to join, guys. We can send an
Speaker 2: email to membership at s A c R dot us
Speaker 2: if we are quote interested in learning more. So, I
Speaker 2: think that's the first step.
Speaker 4: I'm sure it goes straight to to some people who
Speaker 4: just go by James or Joe in certain Virginia.
Speaker 2: It has a It is directly forwarded to Pixiecandle five
Speaker 2: seven two at gmail dot com. Ah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and with that, we want to hear your opinions too, folks.
Speaker 4: We want to hear how what the line is between
Speaker 4: people's rights or state surveillance. The current US government does
Speaker 4: have some very very big and very big and disturbing problems.
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