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Speaker 1: Just dribe some filtered episode eighteen.

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Speaker 2: We're almost twenty of rids in before we get Conducder

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Speaker 2: a special guest, Isaac, how are you and how's everything?

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Speaker 2: Almost twenty episodes in? This has been a fun ride

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Speaker 2: throughout this spot. I would say, you know, to be

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Speaker 2: the lockout now back into the regular season. Actually we

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Speaker 2: actually have a lot more to talk about.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, things could be going better, you know, with the

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Speaker 3: But I'm very excited for a very special guests in

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Speaker 3: today's episode.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, today we have someone who Isaac and I have

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Speaker 2: looked up for years, getting the chance to talk to

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Speaker 2: him learn from him now that we're up there in

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Speaker 2: the press box this season.

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Speaker 1: Isaac spoke to him last season. He's a former ride

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Speaker 1: for MLB dot.

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Speaker 2: Com now founder of man on second Base, which is

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Speaker 2: partnered with five Reason Sports, Joe for Sorrow. Thank you

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Speaker 2: for coming on, how are you? And we're very honored

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Speaker 2: inside of on.

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Speaker 4: Oh, guys, I appreciate the opportunity to be on with

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Speaker 4: you guys, enjoy seeing you guys at the park and

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Speaker 4: getting to know you guys a little bit better, and

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Speaker 4: and and it's good to and appreciate that you know

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Speaker 4: all the kind words you guys have to say. And

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Speaker 4: like Isaac said, the team's a little bit of a rut,

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Speaker 4: but I think they're gonna be fine.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know, before we start talking about that

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Speaker 3: aforementioned rut, you know, the sort of talks a little

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Speaker 3: and why you began that, you know, after nineteen seasons

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Speaker 1: So just how did that come to fruition?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, at the twenty twenty season, Now, I did eighteen

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Speaker 4: an opportunity after that came that I was presented with

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 4: I did it either at newspapers or MLB dot Com

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Speaker 4: for almost forty years. Now was the opportunity to try

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Speaker 4: and with the podcasting, I'm also doing a little freelancing

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Speaker 4: You know, the kid grew up, you know, like you

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Speaker 4: which you guys do a great job of fish stripes

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you've done an amazing job at doing as

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Speaker 2: you've mentioned to us. Right now, I mean, you know,

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Speaker 2: it myself, So great stuff from you, Joe. Let's move

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Speaker 2: on to the Marlins. Now, your thoughts on the season

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Speaker 2: so far. They're currently standing at the moment of their

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Speaker 2: recording with twelve wins thirteen losses, are only five game

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Speaker 4: So there they are where they are. I don't think

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Speaker 2: to what it could be. And with with Ili, yeah,

433
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Speaker 2: I don't know.

434
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Speaker 4: I was going to say real quick with Kevin, not

435
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Speaker 4: to interrupt you there, but whichever, sometimes you're you're put

436
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Speaker 4: back for a reason. Okay, they may not want you

437
00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,679
Speaker 4: to either see the team because it's a division, or

438
00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,879
Speaker 4: maybe you're working out something, or maybe there were things

439
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:13,520
Speaker 4: that hey, maybe is this change up whatever wasn't wasn't

440
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,360
Speaker 4: as sharp that when you have him on those backfields

441
00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,399
Speaker 4: you can control it better. But to your point, they

442
00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:20,959
Speaker 4: didn't do that too much. But they did a one

443
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Speaker 4: last start with Sandy. But you know, Trevor, that's that's

444
00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,520
Speaker 4: normally to me a sign that he's not one hundred

445
00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:31,160
Speaker 4: percent right in terms of not necessarily health, but how

446
00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:31,920
Speaker 4: he's throwing the ball.

447
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think what you what you said on

448
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,440
Speaker 2: Max Meyer is just perfect. I mean, there's just another

449
00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:38,879
Speaker 2: way to say that guy needs to be on a

450
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Speaker 2: major league roster. I mean, I think you could have

451
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Speaker 2: started Aliezer in the bullpen this season, especially as you mentioned,

452
00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,359
Speaker 2: Flora was out, so maybe Elia's in that bullpen and

453
00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:49,760
Speaker 2: having Mayer at that four spot would have helped out.

454
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Speaker 2: So I want to ask you about one more gun

455
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Speaker 2: in the rotation. Before I go into the next question,

456
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Speaker 2: I want to ask you about Hazel Suzzardo, you know

457
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Speaker 2: from twenty twenty one, a little bit shaky now making

458
00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:01,320
Speaker 2: these incredible starts. When seven innings last night, he was

459
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,919
Speaker 2: taken out during the seventh, but he won, probably in

460
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,359
Speaker 2: one of the deepest games this season, and just pitched

461
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 2: an absolute gen give up two homers to Manny Machada,

462
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:12,120
Speaker 2: But who blames him? It's Manny Machada. The guy's just hot,

463
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,880
Speaker 2: is having an incredible season. So just want to get

464
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Speaker 2: your take on Lzardo.

465
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it wasn't one of those homers like ninety eight,

466
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Speaker 4: ninety eight on the inner half. I think a fastball

467
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Speaker 4: ninety eight, and I think he was the first one

468
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 4: of them was the cave ball too, I mean he

469
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,160
Speaker 4: took him to center and the other ones like ninety eight.

470
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,119
Speaker 4: I always find an interesting one to South Florida kids

471
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 4: match up against each other because you know they're they

472
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 4: kind of got that like that little edge that they

473
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Speaker 4: they have. Lozard has been great, I mean, no other

474
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,160
Speaker 4: way to put it. Uh, And I think mel Mel

475
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 4: deserves a lot of credit with him, A lot of

476
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Speaker 4: it is where he got in trouble. Where Lazara got

477
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 4: in trouble is his delivery wasn't always on time, which

478
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Speaker 4: led to a lot of a lot of balls and

479
00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 4: a lot of walks in a high walk rate. What

480
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 4: they've done really well with him. I was kind of

481
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 4: breaking it down. He's throwing four pitches, but really the

482
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 4: two pitches that are defining him right now are the

483
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,680
Speaker 4: fastball in the curveball, and he's throwing them almost the same,

484
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Speaker 4: like thirty I think the fastball, I think last night

485
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 4: he's thirty three percent. In the curveball thirty percent, and

486
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,920
Speaker 4: when you're going ninety eight to ninety nine to four

487
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 4: point four I think was his fastest. So he's basically,

488
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 4: you know, flirting with one hundred miles an hour and

489
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 4: the curveball being a stripe pitch that he's throwing that

490
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Speaker 4: enough for strikes that he will get and his fastball

491
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,639
Speaker 4: for strikes he will get chases. So yeah, it was

492
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Speaker 4: a fifty two chase rate there. He's going to get

493
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Speaker 4: chases because he's around the zone that much that he

494
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 4: doesn't have to be in the zone with that breaking ball,

495
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 4: and then he mixes and I think it is a

496
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 4: change up in the sink. I think around what he throws.

497
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 4: But you know, those two pitches are defining him. But

498
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Speaker 4: the corrections that mel has done with the you know,

499
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 4: getting him more on time that he's he's in sync

500
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 4: is his arm. You know, a shorter pitcher sometimes have

501
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,640
Speaker 4: a little bit of an issue being being on time.

502
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 4: Tolder guys could get their arm. And I don't want

503
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 4: to get too much into the sausage making of pitching.

504
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 4: But but you know, he's got him where he's around

505
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 4: the plate, you know, and he's winning those three two battles.

506
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,679
Speaker 4: So you know, even though the walk rate isn't you

507
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,160
Speaker 4: know what. He had three walks last night, but one

508
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 4: was to Manny and actually I tweeted that like someone's like,

509
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,120
Speaker 4: I'm just walk him. You know, that's the one guy

510
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 4: that can beat you tonight. So don't even take a

511
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 4: chance with it, you know, So I don't mind the

512
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Speaker 4: unintentional intentional walk. So seven k is three walks. I

513
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 4: think he's at over eleven k per nine and it

514
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,119
Speaker 4: just a little over four walks per nine. You know,

515
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 4: if you're not giving up many hits, your your whip

516
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 4: is down. And I think I noticed that too. His

517
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,640
Speaker 4: whip was down from like one point seventy year ago

518
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 4: whatever it was, to like one point one. So it's

519
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,199
Speaker 4: basically half a you know base of what half a

520
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 4: bat or lesson ending is on base, and so you're

521
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,919
Speaker 4: gonna you're gonna avoid You're gonna avoid trouble. You know,

522
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 4: we want to see if he can do this over

523
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 4: sustained period. It's good to have great first five starts,

524
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 4: but if you're gonna establish yourself as a legitimate mid

525
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 4: probably mid rotation guy, is what I really would have

526
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,239
Speaker 4: him as a ceiling rather than the back end is

527
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,679
Speaker 4: are you gonna hold up for you know, six months?

528
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 4: And you know, are you gonna be able to do

529
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 4: that seventh inning like we saw Pablo's done, Sandy's given

530
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 4: the eight. You know that occasional. But but a lot

531
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Speaker 4: of props to Lozardo last night because if he was

532
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 4: out of a game in the third or fourth inning yesterday,

533
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 4: he could have set this road trip off. Even though

534
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 4: theydn't win the game, he could have set this road

535
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 4: trip off in a bad way if they had to

536
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,400
Speaker 4: burn out a noble long reliever, because once you burn

537
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,719
Speaker 4: out your long relievers, you're you're in for bad stretch.

538
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And you mentioned the whip for Luzardo in twenty

539
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 3: twenty one it was one point six.

540
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:55,959
Speaker 1: This year he's off to a one point zero sixth

541
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 1: start for Lozar.

542
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Speaker 3: Just immense, you know, potential for him with you maybe

543
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,919
Speaker 3: a number two at best, but he's a mid rotation

544
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 3: guy for me. You mentioned the long relieve, but I

545
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 3: guess we can segue into the bullpen a little bit.

546
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 3: I think, you know, they improved it. I'm like almost

547
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 3: lost the of spring training with Sulcer and Scott.

548
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 1: That was a huge upgrade for them. They needed it.

549
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 3: But obviously the ninth inning has continued to be an

550
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 3: issue for a long time ever since. You know, I

551
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 3: think Branan Kincer was the last time they had a

552
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 3: legitimate guy out there.

553
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: But what do you do? How do you fix that whole?

554
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,360
Speaker 4: Well, Flora coming back would help, you know, if you're

555
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 4: not going to make Meyer it, you know, if that's

556
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 4: not your your clothes, and I'm talking more second half,

557
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,919
Speaker 4: not just bring back something, make him be a big

558
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 4: league closer. The great to debut, you're gonna have to

559
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,120
Speaker 4: go with with Bender, Salcer and and Flora, and you're

560
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 4: probably gonna have to do matchups, and uh, they just

561
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,880
Speaker 4: they didn't address you know. They they put their their

562
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 4: allocated their financial resources on two outfielders, you know. And

563
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 4: then they they did actually sign Richard Blier for six mil.

564
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 4: And they in a re upped Mackey, you know, So

565
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 4: that's where they located their dollars. And by the time

566
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 4: I'm one of those Okay, let's say you have an

567
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 4: eighty million dollar budget or one hundred million dollar budget.

568
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 4: If you don't get the players you want, you just

569
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 4: don't spend one hundred million and just throw stupid money

570
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 4: at at you know, you get you spend spend two

571
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 4: hundred million if you want to give guys worth five million,

572
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 4: ten million, you know, uh, you know, just to say

573
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 4: you spent the money. By the time they got into

574
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 4: reliever market, it was too late. The relievers already off

575
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 4: the board, and which put him in that point where

576
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 4: they had a trade for it, and and so they

577
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 4: boxed themselves in. I'm not quitting on Bender just yet,

578
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,439
Speaker 4: and I'll tell you why, because I think he's still

579
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 4: I think metrically even we'll say it, he's their nastiest reliever.

580
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 4: I mean, in terms of his his slider and his

581
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 4: fastball probably grayed out the best now I thought. Or

582
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 4: In Sibbia made a JP made a great point on

583
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 4: the on the t run homer to to Peven Smith

584
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 4: the other day. He noted that with left handed hitters

585
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 4: like that or whatever, you don't want to throw that

586
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 4: pitch in. You don't want to throw it to the

587
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 4: one spot where they could get you and and have

588
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 4: their best chance of hitting it out. I think that

589
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 4: type of stuff with is is where Bender needs to learn.

590
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 4: You know, where He's got to learn to execute the

591
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 4: pitch and know where to go not to be beaten,

592
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 4: because a single at that point in the game doesn't

593
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 4: beat you. The two run homer beats you. You know,

594
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 4: you got to look at who you know. I know

595
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,239
Speaker 4: he gave it a hit already, but but you know

596
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 4: he you know, you don't necessarily if he gets a hit.

597
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 4: Even if he gets hit in its first and throw

598
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 4: one out, you still can you still could get out

599
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 4: of that. You get to strike out or double play

600
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 4: ground ball. You know it's it's a lot easier, but

601
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 4: you know you're you're not pitching into the wheelhouse of

602
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 4: the hitter. So I want to give Bender more opportunity,

603
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 4: but you know, I and then Salser seems probably a

604
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 4: little more dependable. But you know they're gonna need at

605
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 4: least two if you're gonna be a playoff team, because

606
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 4: so you're hopefully winning four to five five in a row,

607
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 4: and your closer can't just go every night, so you're

608
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 4: gonna need that second one second one. I really think

609
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 4: that they to address the bullpen and Donnie when I

610
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 4: asked them the other day about when Flora gets back,

611
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 4: He's like, he'll he won't just come in and be

612
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 4: closer right away. But but Dylan's he's pitching the postseason.

613
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 4: He knows, I think you can pitch in the World Series.

614
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,479
Speaker 4: You know, he knows, he knows what the the pressure is.

615
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 4: So you know, after that, I might, you know, I

616
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 4: don't know, say with Cabrera or the closer is Max

617
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 4: Meyer closer. I mean you've got you've got inventory in

618
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,719
Speaker 4: your minor leagues that if you wanted to kind of

619
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 4: utilize these players in certain ways, I think you could

620
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 4: address your your closer within unless you you know, you

621
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 4: move either Aggie or Coop to make Ruffer lewin and

622
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 4: try to get you know, some you try to get

623
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 4: a reliever in the middle of the year. These are

624
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 4: potential moves that you can make, but I think they

625
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 4: they've been committed to keeping their veteran hitters and and

626
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 4: trying to see how that goes as long as they

627
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 4: are in it. So you could always make a trade

628
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 4: for a for you know, a closer or someone who

629
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 4: can handle high leverage that you could put in the

630
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 4: closer spot. But I would I would explore if nothing else,

631
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 4: at least the two option time mentioned, then there's probably

632
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 4: somebody else that in the minor leagues I'm just not

633
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 4: thinking about that could give help and depend if they

634
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:27,479
Speaker 4: wanted it.

635
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, when it comes to Bender, I think you know

636
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 3: his struggles post sticky stuff, you know, pig down in

637
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 3: the middle of last year. He's been okay, as we

638
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 3: mentioned on Fish Trips Live last night as well. And

639
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 3: I think with him that you mentioned that breaking ball

640
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 3: to the wheelhouse of left handed batters. He has not

641
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 3: been able to command that pitch whatsoever all year long.

642
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 3: If you remember the Washington series him that Yadiel got him,

643
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 3: he left it, even he left the breaking all the

644
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 3: Lucia's Fox. If Lucia's Fox was good, that ball's over

645
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 3: the fence or with no when he's hitting the ball out.

646
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 3: Michael Franco, he left one right the end. He's the

647
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 3: right handed batter. He left the breaking ball right in

648
00:30:58,600 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 3: his wheelhouse as well.

649
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: So I think it's a real It'd.

650
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 3: Be very risky if Miami were to give him another

651
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 3: opportunity of the ninth thing. And then regarding the two

652
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 3: guys you mentioned, I would give Edward Cabrera the higher

653
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 3: floor of making him in the rotation just because he

654
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 3: has so many more pitches. I say, you know, I

655
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 3: think definitely Edward Cabrera. I don't think they would want

656
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 3: I hope they don't experiment with him. Maximiro would be

657
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 3: the real intriguing option to see how he would fare

658
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 3: as a Josh Hater type guy who could go multiple

659
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 3: innings and just strike everybody out.

660
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: I think that would be a guy who I would

661
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: try it on opening day.

662
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 3: They're in a much better situation now if he's on

663
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 3: the opening day bullpen, which is frustrated.

664
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, those are good points, Kevin, You got what

665
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 4: do you have on that no? Go ahead, go ahead,

666
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 4: Jill No, I was saying with Bender, and you make

667
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 4: all valid points and trust me. I'm not saying, oh,

668
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 4: just roll him out there no matter what. You just

669
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 4: with with him. You know, he's if he's not the ninth,

670
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 4: he's your eight. I mean he's he's got to be

671
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 4: your back end. I'm just saying that there's and you

672
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 4: make valid points on the sticky stuff, but the guy

673
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 4: has quite he pitches, and it's the first half of

674
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 4: the year. It's just may that you want to at

675
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 4: least see, you know, is it in there, because something

676
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 4: might just trigger you know you. All you need is

677
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 4: maybe that one thing, maybe that one outing where it

678
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 4: all comes together for him and boom, all of a sudden,

679
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 4: you got you got a very dependable, high leverage guy,

680
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 4: which was kind of and he's got that that confidence

681
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 4: back when he started off like whatever twenty innings or

682
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 4: whatever it was without a run to start his career.

683
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 4: Maybe you recaptured that. Not everyone's cut out for it.

684
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 4: You know, I've said this a few times, brought up

685
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 4: with Larry Beinfest, the old former president of Baseball ops

686
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 4: here with the Marlin said, you're not a closer until

687
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 4: you close. You know, we we could, you know, he

688
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 4: we could. We could talk about it now, but who

689
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 4: knows maybe the moment to get to max. You know,

690
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 4: until you do it, you know you you don't know,

691
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 4: but you know we I don't think it would, but

692
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 4: you know, you you wanna. You put him out there

693
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 4: and you give him a little bit of an eleash.

694
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 4: And I think that's where the seven game win streak helped.

695
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 4: Even though they've lost five in a row and they're

696
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 4: one under, it bought him some It bought him some time.

697
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 4: They're not ten hunder. Where now, oh my gosh, you know,

698
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 4: how are we going to get back in? You don't

699
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 4: want to slip too far under, but you know, you

700
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 4: you're still you still are in a pretty decent spot

701
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 4: to allow your players to, you know, to figure it out.

702
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 4: But it was interesting what you said about about Meyron hater,

703
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 4: because yeah, that could be a if you need him

704
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 4: the eighth and ninth inning, maybe he doesn't pitch next night,

705
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 4: but you know, you say you need six outs against

706
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 4: the Braves or against the Mets, and you want him

707
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 4: to navigate through Lindor Alonso Marte, whoever, whatever the order is,

708
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 4: the top may nemo on down, uh and then you know,

709
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 4: worry about the next night, the next night and you

710
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 4: like your matchups there, you take those two winnings or

711
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 4: those you know, four outs. Whatever he ends up, you

712
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 4: need to get.

713
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: Uh.

714
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 4: But yeah, I think he's a different type of weapon

715
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 4: for him.

716
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 5: Yeah.

717
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 2: And the only I guess with Eddie, the only reason

718
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 2: I'll get a little bit more leverage when it comes

719
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 2: to him being a starter is because he did it

720
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 2: last season. It wasn't the best outing, but he did it.

721
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 2: He got the experience. And something I found very interesting

722
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 2: is I know you saw this, Isaac. I don't know

723
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 2: if he saw Joe, but on Baseball America, I think

724
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 2: it was like a prediction. On twenty twenty five, they

725
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 2: had him as a closer, which I found very intriguing.

726
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 2: And that's just something very weird. At the same time,

727
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 2: I guess things were different during that time when they

728
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 2: made that list, because even at Cooper at DH from

729
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, but that Meyer hater comp would be

730
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 2: very nice if we could get Myron that bullpen. Just

731
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 2: if they could get Myering the bullpen, I mean, that

732
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 2: would be very cool, especially you put him as a closer.

733
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 2: You know, you have a guy who is a shutdown closer,

734
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 2: who has starting experience, who could get through the line

735
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 2: up multiple times, and all you have to do get

736
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 2: three outs. I think that will definitely help the Marlins,

737
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,720
Speaker 2: especially when you spoke when he said, Joe, this seems

738
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 2: going to be winning games, four to five games in

739
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 2: a row. They're going to be more than one closer.

740
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 2: And I want to ask it before we go into

741
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,959
Speaker 2: some other things. I wanted to get to here, why

742
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 2: not Cole Solcier. Why have they maybe tried out Tanner

743
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 2: Scott at that closers role before, maybe a Cole Solcier

744
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 2: who did it last season in such a hitter friendly

745
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:08,720
Speaker 2: ballpark like Camden Yards.

746
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 4: Well, list, here's not a city friendly, and but I

747
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 4: think it's the velocity and and you know he's the

748
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 4: upper nineties, uh and the lefties. So I think I

749
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 4: could see Scott against you know, maybe like the Phillies

750
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 4: if you wanted to match him, which you know, Schwarber, Harper,

751
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 4: you know, if you wanted to to let's say a

752
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 4: ninth inning a rose there. But yeah, I have no

753
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 4: problem with so also doing it. I just don't know

754
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 4: whether he's you know, you're I don't know if I

755
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,399
Speaker 4: just annoyed him. No matter what, I'm sure they're looking

756
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 4: at matchups, he might be a little more. I'm just saying,

757
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 4: because I haven't completely broken him down. Maybe it's a

758
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 4: little more of a ground ball guy. Maybe the maybe

759
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 4: a swinging mess pitch, a little more of a slider. Uh,

760
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 4: you know that that type of thing. Uh, I imagine

761
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 4: it's imagine that's matchups. And I'll give I'll give the

762
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 4: benefit of the doubt that that they're at least getting

763
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,720
Speaker 4: the right matchups the results and not always fall into place.

764
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 4: But Scott, from what I heard actually from the time

765
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 4: the trade was made the Knights, you think he is.

766
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 4: Josh had another other nights he's throwing the ball the

767
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 4: backstop and I think we've seen both happen and you know,

768
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 4: and so that's my only concern with Scott is just

769
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 4: where's it? Where's the delivery going to be? Is? Is

770
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 4: this then Id's on or off? And you know the

771
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 4: last thing managers and pitching coaches one is uncertainty in

772
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 4: the car. You know, you kind of want to know

773
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 4: have a general feel what am I getting tonight? And

774
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 4: not such a dramatic extreme, right, Yeah.

775
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,240
Speaker 2: I asked you because Solcer has been coming in, especially

776
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 2: in that Arizona series, he came into the eighth inning

777
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 2: two out of the three games and he dominated. I

778
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 2: think he shut out the side in the third game,

779
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 2: and then the second game he almost did the same thing.

780
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 2: But the last guy wanted to ask before we go

781
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 2: on to Miguel Rojas, I wanted to get into him

782
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 2: a little bit. Is about Anthony Bass. I mean, one

783
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 2: of the guys who's probably been one of the biggest

784
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 2: improvements from twenty twenty one to twenty twenty two. Would

785
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,280
Speaker 2: have been your thoughts on him. I guess he's really

786
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 2: adapted to that role of being the sixth inning, seventh

787
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,399
Speaker 2: inning guy, which is which is amazing. I don't think

788
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 2: he should be a closer anytime soon because I don't

789
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 2: want to risk it. But you know just what an

790
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,919
Speaker 2: improvement he's made from twenty one to twenty two.

791
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 4: Ken you if you cover this sport long enough or

792
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 4: see it be around it long enough. Hitch relievers are

793
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 4: so unpredictable, and a lot of times it's like if

794
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 4: you have a great year, anticipat of down yere if

795
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 4: you had to down year, anticipate you have the same

796
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 4: guy over three years could be up, down, up, And

797
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 4: part of that I think is some of it has

798
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 4: to deal with usage. Like you could be used so

799
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 4: much in the year you were hot that you wear down.

800
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 4: The next year, you know, you might have be dealing

801
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 4: with little fatigue or something and your numbers go down

802
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 4: and then now you're out of the Managers don't trust

803
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 4: you in those situations. So you maybe now you through

804
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 4: forty innings a year instead of seventy to eighty. Now

805
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 4: the next year, you know, you kind of refound your

806
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 4: your groove. One pitch comes back. Uh. The thing that

807
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 4: you need to know that Anthony bass is he's been

808
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 4: around forever. You know, he's more than just a survivor.

809
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:13,240
Speaker 4: He's an established big league reliever that I'm not totally

810
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 4: shocked you'd have a bounce back caliber year, especially after

811
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 4: a down year. Just that's just kind of that's just

812
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 4: kind of their nature. It's like you you buy low,

813
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 4: you sell hogh. That's That's why I'm I'm not really

814
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 4: big on signing, you know, free agent relievers to a

815
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 4: lot of money, Like yeah, okay, Like like it's really

816
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 4: risky when you because you're you're not necessarily getting what

817
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 4: you think you pay for, you know, because they are

818
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 4: that hot and cold I think if you if you noticed,

819
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 4: you know, again, some of the executives I've covered for

820
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 4: many years would always say that the biggest headaches they

821
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 4: have is building a bultpenk because they never really know

822
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 4: how to do it. Because once you think you do,

823
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 4: you find out you don't. You know, you you know,

824
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 4: the Braves seem to have a really good system of

825
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 4: getting different looks. I know the marl have gone that way.

826
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 4: My general feeling on bullpen is kind of almost like starters.

827
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: Now.

828
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 4: Now obviously you need two pitches starting, you need three,

829
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 4: uh you know, but a relieve or two, and I

830
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 4: want guys to strike guys out. You need you know,

831
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 4: you need strikeout pitchers. So that's my my not you

832
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,399
Speaker 4: know when I go for who they have the last

833
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 4: couple of years, or even Brandon Kinseler, who want that

834
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 4: was a shortened year, but you know he wasn't a

835
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 4: big baby strikeout guy. And I think when Ino Sarras

836
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 4: was on doing you know from the Athletic he did

837
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 4: the stats the stat Saturday two weeks ago on the

838
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 4: on the ballet Sports Florida. Uh, they brought him in

839
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 4: as a guest and he mentioned I thought something that

840
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 4: really resonated with me is like league average babbit is

841
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 4: three hundred. So think about it. If you're if you're

842
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 4: a closer, and you don't average at least one and

843
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 4: a half to two strikeouts an inning, the balls being

844
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 4: and if you don't strike out a guy in inning,

845
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 4: then you're three balls in play pretty much one of

846
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 4: those threes a hit and maybe two of them are.

847
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 4: Next thing you know, you're you're in You're in trouble.

848
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 4: You don't know where the ball's going when you know,

849
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 4: based on Babbitt, So I would rather remove that. And

850
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 4: and again that's why I'm like, you know what, Max Myers,

851
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,240
Speaker 4: can I know that Slider's gonna strike out big leaders?

852
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 4: You know that that's that's there. So I got to

853
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 4: I got probably you know, when Kreik Kimbrel was with

854
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 4: the Brave Is dominating, he was averaging two strikeouts in it.

855
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 4: So basically two guys are struck out and the other out.

856
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 4: It's gonna be hard to get three hits and get

857
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,760
Speaker 4: a run off me with with with balls in play

858
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 4: that I'm not gonna probably get my third out before

859
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 4: I give up the tying run or below the lead.

860
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the relievers they can be as fickle as

861
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,720
Speaker 3: the weather in Miami, so it's tough. And you mentioned

862
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 3: like signing big time free agent relievers, even trading for

863
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 3: them can be problematic.

864
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:58,760
Speaker 1: You say you forn Ada, Rodney.

865
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 3: You see Kreik Kimberl last year great with the Cubs

866
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 3: because of the White Sox ere a over five. So

867
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 3: it's really tough to build a major league bullpen. I

868
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 3: wanted those arms, yeah, exactly. And one thay we do

869
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 3: want to talk about is the captain Miguel Rojas. I

870
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 3: don't know where you fall on that. I'm under the

871
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,479
Speaker 3: impression I think Vin agrees that, you know, his days

872
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 3: is starting every single day. I don't know if he

873
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 3: does that on a playoff contending team, on a division

874
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 3: winning team.

875
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: I don't know your thoughts.

876
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 3: I think that if they're going to start him, I

877
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 3: think you should be against lefties only. I know he

878
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 3: will give you a good at bat, he will always

879
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 3: do that. He'll give you golgleb defense at short. But

880
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 3: it's starting to become a little bit of a liability

881
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 3: against right handed pitchers. And my view is, hey, if

882
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 3: they're going to play the numbers with Jazz and Hasius

883
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 3: and sit them.

884
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: Why not sit him.

885
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 4: It's a really interesting point because I think Brian Anderson

886
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 4: should be playing more, Joey Wendell should be playing more,

887
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So this is where I know,

888
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 4: I know you guys are big Dela Cruz, you know, fans,

889
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 4: but you know, it's like you can't just have too

890
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 4: many you can't have too many players. You know it's

891
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 4: coming at the expense of you know, there's in a

892
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 4: high school baseball team where yo, I could throw this

893
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 4: guy out or whatever it's you need consistent at bats.

894
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 4: So I think this ties to your point that you know,

895
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 4: if they're gonna play that game with Jazz, then they really,

896
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 4: you know, should be playing it with everyone. You know,

897
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 4: you're not necessarily going to pinch it with Aguilari's been

898
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 4: one hundred RBI guy in the big leagues. And you

899
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 4: know you would say that about Spilaire and Garcia, but

900
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 4: when you're hitting at this reading one sixty seven for Solai,

901
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 4: one seventy one for Garcia, and you know neither has

902
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 4: hit a ton of homers. I know Solaire's three, but

903
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 4: you know it's like you're gonna have to kind of

904
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 4: do that, like you say, the mixing and matching now

905
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 4: could Makey pick it up, of course, you know, could

906
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 4: he just be off to a slow start, you know,

907
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,240
Speaker 4: of course, But I think they've kind of put themselves

908
00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 4: in that position of you know, they're they're gonna double switch,

909
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,240
Speaker 4: they're gonna defensive replace. You know, McGee's has played first

910
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 4: base this year, you know, to make room for for Wendell.

911
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 4: And the fact that I think that Anderson needs to

912
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 4: play more, uh, it ties into something's got to give. So,

913
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 4: you know, I think now going down to the too

914
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:23,439
Speaker 4: what twelve twelve position players, you know, Bertie will be

915
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 4: probably in the outfield a little more, and You'll probably

916
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 4: be in the outfield a little more. So I think

917
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 4: that you probably will now see a little bit more

918
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 4: of a true rotation. I think it was harder to

919
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 4: get to get everybody in the you know, playing time

920
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 4: enough before. I mean, their roster, their their flexibility, and

921
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 4: their roster is limited a little bit by I think

922
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 4: they're repetitive with Aguilar and Cooper. You know, they basically

923
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 4: they're either a first base or dation. That's it. You know,

924
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 4: Anderson could age, he could played third, and he's played

925
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 4: both corners. You know, and he played center in spring.

926
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 4: I wouldn't think that would be more of a one

927
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 4: inning emergency thing or you know, but not. Your buddy

928
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 4: can stand out there and catch up all it's right.

929
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: To him, right, Yeah.

930
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,280
Speaker 3: And I think with with Miguel and Joey Wendall, for example,

931
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 3: you mentioned they have the picture perfect platoon opportunity. With

932
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 3: those two guys. They can both play great short. Obviously

933
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 3: one better than the other. Brian Andison is splits the

934
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 3: reverse splits. He's much better against Righty's. To me, the

935
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 3: perfect right handed lineup is with ba a thirty phenomenal

936
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 3: defense there, Joey Wendall at short, Jazz at second. To me,

937
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 3: I don't know how they're just not doing that every

938
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 3: single day. Like you said, if they're playing the numbers

939
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 3: with some people, why not play them with others? And

940
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 3: with Jazz sitting here against lefties, it hurts because he

941
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 3: has power and he has speed, you know, so he

942
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 3: can maybe get on maazically maybe hit went out.

943
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 1: Rigul Rojas has neither.

944
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 3: So it's just tough to defend that argument of starting

945
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 3: the rowsas every single day.

946
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, So those are valid, yeah, yeah, not only that,

947
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 2: I think Wendy should be the starter over Miggy Row. Honestly,

948
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 2: you look at it, you have to put your best

949
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 2: hitters on in the lineup every night, you know, and

950
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 2: I know there's matchups and there's analytics, but if you're

951
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 2: trying to win baseball games, like Miami's trying to do

952
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 2: at the moment, you.

953
00:44:58,520 --> 00:44:59,479
Speaker 1: Need to put your best hitters.

954
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 4: Joey one arguably has been one of the best hitters

955
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 4: on the team.

956
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 2: I mean, he's done it all defense, he has the speed,

957
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 2: he has some power. I mean he hit a homer

958
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 2: in Washington, but that's about it. But Migere hasn't shown

959
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 2: much of anything except good, good defense. And I just

960
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 2: don't know. I think then field should look a little

961
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 2: bit different with Migure on the bench and one Tho's

962
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 2: starting over him at a more consistent rate. I think

963
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 2: that's how it should look like. I don't know if

964
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 2: you maybe agree with me or disagree with that.

965
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 4: I tell you, well, for one, you know, when those

966
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 4: dealt a little bit with the hammy, you know, kind

967
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 4: of tight hamstring at which cost him a couple of

968
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 4: days at home, He's to me, he over one sixty two,

969
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 4: you're going to be careful with him. I think I'm

970
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 4: not sure he's a one fifty game guy. I don't

971
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 4: think I think Tampa got the most out of him

972
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 4: using him in this type of role. I think the

973
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 4: thing is that's kind of complicated things in a way.

974
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,760
Speaker 4: And this is kind of a backward way of saying

975
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 4: it is they've been really fortunate they haven't had any injuries.

976
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 4: Normally in the first five weeks of the season, four

977
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 4: or five weeks of the season, you have some injuries.

978
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,399
Speaker 4: So the playing time of oh, well, we'll carry Dela

979
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 4: Cruz early on, they'll play because someone's going to go down,

980
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 4: you know, and then that person will come down, come back,

981
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 4: but someone else goes down. As long as everyone's healthy,

982
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 4: and that's what we hope. Obviously, we're not wishing for

983
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 4: for anything to go wrong with these guys, but a

984
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 4: lot of times, Kevin, I think I think those things

985
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 4: kind of sell themselves just with injury. I mean, look

986
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 4: at look at the Padres. Tatisa has been out all

987
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 4: basically all year and and has caused a different shortstop look,

988
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 4: and you know they're floating things around a little bit.

989
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,240
Speaker 4: The Marlins, haven't, you know, they they're in that little

990
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 4: bit of a who plays when and when we look

991
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 4: in at matchups because you know they that hasn't answered itself,

992
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 4: you know, you know, it's like when it hasn't been

993
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 4: out for two weeks or Mickey hasn't so you could

994
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,479
Speaker 4: see who could get hot and and is he gonna

995
00:46:58,480 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 4: be hard to get that guy back in the line.

996
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 4: You have Anderson now sitting around. You got a little

997
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 4: slow start, then he started heating up, and now you're

998
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 4: playing matchups with him, and uh, you know he's got

999
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 4: been left. You've got him a third. You know, you're

1000
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 4: you know, see I get all that, but it's like

1001
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 4: you you're always putting things in motion because you're you're

1002
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,720
Speaker 4: constantly trying, they're not answering themselves.

1003
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and uh, before we go on to a big

1004
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 2: weekend that's coming up in I think two weeks, who

1005
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 2: in the minor league farm system. I set out to you.

1006
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 2: There's Meyer, Brian Howen's been pretty good this season. There's

1007
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 2: out where you are. There's a lot of guys to

1008
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 2: name on that minor league system that have really proven themselves.

1009
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 2: And I've really made a name to move up in

1010
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 2: that minor league system. Hopefully at some point the major

1011
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 2: league squad, I'd.

1012
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 4: Have to say, in Karnos I've always been big Gerar

1013
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 4: Connossion fan. I mean, yes, you know Meyer stood out,

1014
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 4: you know, anyone with big numbers. Yeah, And I guess

1015
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 4: because I've always been a fan of in Carnassion and

1016
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 4: thought that, you know, two years ago he was on

1017
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 4: the brink and then he started off, you know, making

1018
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 4: it up contacts huge for him. But what's he hitting

1019
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 4: now in Pensacle. I mean, he was really on a

1020
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 4: tear and he's reduced that that k rate. And you know,

1021
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 4: keep this in mind. You're he's got easy power. He

1022
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 4: goes to right field as easy as left field. A

1023
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 4: ball just jumps off his bat. You know, he could

1024
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 4: play first, he could play a corner out field. You

1025
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 4: could be a d H. I'm sure if they were

1026
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 4: to make him available in the trade, you know he

1027
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 4: would be highly coveted by teams. And the question with

1028
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 4: Gerar has been enough contact, and I think players like

1029
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 4: him to a certain degree. Bla day, those twenty four

1030
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 4: twenty five year olds that dealt with the pandemic, which

1031
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 4: you know eliminated that year, and then you you kind

1032
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 4: of shortened, you really chipped into a year of development

1033
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 4: that those those guys could have been up to the

1034
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 4: big leagues already, but they lose like five hundred at

1035
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 4: bats and and then you know, that's what to me, Gerar,

1036
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 4: I guess he don't if you injuries as well, Uh,

1037
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 4: just enough consistency. But I'm a big time if you

1038
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 4: got power tool, speed tool, you know, something like that

1039
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:12,359
Speaker 4: power pitcher, got a nasty something. I keep an eye

1040
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 4: on those guys, So I'm curious to see if this

1041
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 4: is you know, when Gerar, you know, does he I

1042
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 4: thought he could be going out to Triple A, but

1043
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 4: with Dela Cruz going down that that probably you know,

1044
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,240
Speaker 4: I think what would happen if something were to happen

1045
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 4: with you know, with first base in Miami, with the

1046
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 4: meaning Lewin could get the call up and then Gerard

1047
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 4: could go to Triple A and play first in d

1048
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:36,879
Speaker 4: H or maybe occasionally see the outfield there.

1049
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, and is someone that you mentioned to me as

1050
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 3: someone that who might he will he will be a

1051
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 3: big league regular at some point, but it just might

1052
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 3: not be with Miami.

1053
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 1: And with all you know, the congestion.

1054
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 3: In the big league level and the Triple A, like

1055
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 3: you mentioned, it'll be tough to find time for him

1056
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,399
Speaker 3: or the toughest find a spot for him to make

1057
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,359
Speaker 3: the major league team at some point. One more guy

1058
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 3: we want to ask you about on the farm before

1059
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 3: we move on to just the last part of this

1060
00:49:58,680 --> 00:49:59,399
Speaker 3: of this great pod.

1061
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,439
Speaker 1: JJ Bleda still in. Are you out?

1062
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 4: I like him a lot. You know, I'm rooting for him,

1063
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 4: but you know it, it's you know, he's another one.

1064
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 4: Was he howl? You have twenty four, he'll be twenty

1065
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 4: five in October. I think you know he's another guy

1066
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 4: lost that that year playing the alternate site. I mean

1067
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 4: I was kind of open where when they drafted him,

1068
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,760
Speaker 4: it was so cut and dry, We're gonna take JJ Bladay,

1069
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 4: and I'm like keeping eye on Riley Green and C. J.

1070
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 4: Abrams and people were like, you know, shut up, he's

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00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 4: a minor. Those are prep guys, and this guy is

1072
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 4: a college player of the Year and all the other

1073
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 4: good stuff that said. They took him. He's a hard worker,

1074
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 4: he's left hander, he has power, he has ability. You know,

1075
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 4: there's there's concerns obviously, I note. I think there's concerns

1076
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 4: with with velocity up and in on him. I think

1077
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 4: he has holes in the swing. Even though he had

1078
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 4: a good Arizona Fall League, he didn't face nessarily the

1079
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 4: best pitching prospects. But you you with what you have

1080
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 4: to deal with. He he took some of some of

1081
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:06,280
Speaker 4: the wrinkles he was having in his approach. He ironed

1082
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,359
Speaker 4: them out. And I just think, you know, if he's

1083
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 4: trying to perform to expectation, I hope he just based

1084
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 4: JJ Bloedey doesn't get caught up too much in that

1085
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 4: because I've seen I've seen players I think is On

1086
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 4: Diaz try to live up to a reputation and it

1087
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:26,240
Speaker 4: ended up crushing him here that you know, let Bludet

1088
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:29,879
Speaker 4: just play it out. But you know, it's there's it's

1089
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 4: not a guarantee he's going to be. I think he's

1090
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 4: a big leaguer, but how good of a big leaguer?

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00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 4: You know, it's because I think Riley Green's gonna be

1092
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 4: really spracial big leaguer.

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00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I gotta give you credit where credit is due.

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00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 3: I remember reading your tweets, reading your you know, your

1095
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 3: articles about that draft of twenty nineteen drafts. I was

1096
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 3: all over Riley Green as well. I wasn't as hosh

1097
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 3: On CJ. Abrams as you were, but I did really

1098
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 3: want Riley Green. And then the twenty eighteen draft, you

1099
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 3: were like Tristan cossas Man. He was right there, he

1100
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:55,720
Speaker 3: was right there, and.

1101
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: I was right there.

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00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 4: I just look, they have their rationale and and they're

1103
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 4: they're amateur side does a remarkable job that. I mean,

1104
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 4: they got, they got Meyer, you know, they got you know,

1105
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 4: they get they get great players. I just don't know

1106
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 4: whether they exhaust I just don't know. They just locked

1107
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 4: in so quickly on Bladet at the expense of Riley

1108
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 4: Green and CJ. Abrams and and you know, I just

1109
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 4: think to your due diligence, you know, see, you know,

1110
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 4: obviously you got to see if you sign him, you

1111
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 4: see the fit. But I don't like the logic. Oh

1112
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 4: he's a high school guy, and Connor Skoy was a

1113
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 4: high school guy. Uh So therefore I'm a believer. You know,

1114
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 4: if you could get you know, you get a superstar

1115
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 4: player at eighteen, nineteen years old, you know, all in

1116
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,280
Speaker 4: on Kahill Watson. I know he's had some ups and downs,

1117
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 4: but you know, you got to you got to get

1118
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,839
Speaker 4: the best player. And if you're if you think that's

1119
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 4: the best player, you know, so be it. Live with

1120
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 4: your conviction, but don't say the best player because he's

1121
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 4: closer to the big leagues. You know, next time someone

1122
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:57,879
Speaker 4: tells me that close in to the big leagues, I

1123
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 4: may just blow up on the field against thee. Try

1124
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 4: to reserve my temper in that regard. But because we

1125
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 4: see because both those guys, uh, you know, Abrams obviously

1126
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 4: has reached the big leagues and Green makes the open

1127
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 4: day lineup if he doesn't fall a ball off his

1128
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 4: foot literally like in the last spring training game. And

1129
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 4: then in that same at Batti hit a triple. He

1130
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 4: ran and hit a triple and ran out a triple

1131
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 4: on a broken foot, and we're the Sam Miguela Carbrera

1132
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 4: loves him and things are gonna be a superstar. So

1133
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 4: you just you just had to do your due diligence

1134
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 4: and and don't miss somebody because he locked in on

1135
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:33,720
Speaker 4: somebody a little too early.

1136
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think when they saw him him, Jeter Losada,

1137
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 3: when they all saw him go five or five in

1138
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:41,320
Speaker 3: that SEC game Vanderbilt.

1139
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,320
Speaker 4: No, that's not how you evaluate. You don't got to

1140
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 4: that's not how you evaluate.

1141
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 3: You don't have to tell me especially and then Adli

1142
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 3: Rutchman obviously used reporting that he is getting called up,

1143
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:53,320
Speaker 3: he will be making his debut.

1144
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 4: Either WIT's already up here, Vonn's already up.

1145
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know it's yeah, it's looking at every day.

1146
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 3: But anyway to go from sort of a sour topic,

1147
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 3: there's something more favorable. Joe, you're doing this for eighteen

1148
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 3: years form wib.

1149
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 1: Dot com nineteen seasons.

1150
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 3: Share with us, you know with the listeners, your favorite moment,

1151
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 3: your most hover whether it was Royal Holliday's perfect game, Oh.

1152
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,919
Speaker 4: No, three World Series, oh three World Services. Yeah yeah,

1153
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 4: that's yeah, no, no doubt that that was. That was

1154
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 4: a magical year. It was my second year on the beat.

1155
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 4: I started to know two I think that team won

1156
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 4: like eighty games, seventy nine or eighty games, so they

1157
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 4: just were a little under five hundred.

1158
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 1: Uh.

1159
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 4: Before that, just background. I used to work at the

1160
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 4: Tampature View and I covered the NFL. I covered like

1161
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 4: eight Super Bowls.

1162
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 3: Uh.

1163
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 4: He was on the Bucks. And then my second year

1164
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 4: on the beat covering the World Series team was just

1165
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 4: really probably my journalistic highlight and like almost forty years

1166
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,720
Speaker 4: at newspapers and and the internet, at MLB dot Com

1167
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 4: is yeah, with hands down that to see that team

1168
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 4: from you know, it was also the first year they

1169
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 4: had spring training in Jupiter. When I started in O two,

1170
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 4: it was the last here they had Jupiter up in Vieira,

1171
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 4: you know, up in Melbourne area, and then going to

1172
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 4: Jupiter and just seeing and I remember I think it

1173
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 4: was Beckett pitch game one of spring training game and

1174
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 4: everyone was like kind of laughing about how bad the

1175
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 4: Marlins are going to be, and I'm just like, it

1176
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 4: was like I said, my second are in a beat,

1177
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 4: and I'm just thinking, this is like day one of

1178
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 4: the story of the two thousand three season. That's how

1179
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 4: I always a pre approach every year. It's like I'm

1180
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 4: writing a story. This is the first day. This is

1181
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 4: the page one of the story, and then the storyline

1182
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 4: continues on and boy, you know, to see how that

1183
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 4: turned into this remarkable year to go to you know,

1184
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:41,839
Speaker 4: firing Jeff Tourboord to go into ten under with Jack

1185
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,839
Speaker 4: McKeon at seventy one, who at the time I had

1186
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:46,760
Speaker 4: no idea it was going to be probably my most

1187
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:50,360
Speaker 4: influential person I've met in baseball, the one who was

1188
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 4: influenced my thinking and how I see the game, just

1189
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 4: the years I spend talking with Jack and getting his perspective,

1190
00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 4: and then obviously seeing a young Josh Beckett, a young

1191
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:04,319
Speaker 4: Dontrell Willis and Miguel Cabrera and all the pros like

1192
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 4: woll and Wampierre and Louis and Gonzo and Co nine

1193
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 4: and uh, you know, just a special special team and uh,

1194
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:15,439
Speaker 4: you know Pudge coming on board and having that one

1195
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 4: year with him and uh and just seeing how they

1196
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:21,839
Speaker 4: put it together. And I remember early in the year,

1197
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 4: we were in New York and I was wearing like

1198
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 4: I worked out the gym in the hotel, and I

1199
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:27,360
Speaker 4: had like a Marlin shirt on, and some guy in

1200
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 4: the elevator like made a real like a Marlins like

1201
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 4: in New york Er and the elevator like just laughing,

1202
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 4: and I said something like that they're not bad or whatever.

1203
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:39,760
Speaker 4: He just smirked. And after being a Yankee snade stadium,

1204
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:42,320
Speaker 4: seeing them close out the Yankees, I was thinking, I

1205
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 4: wonder what that guy's thinking right now, because I guess

1206
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 4: he didn't see that coming.

1207
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 5: Uh.

1208
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 4: So it was it was kind of fun to just

1209
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 4: see that magical ride that the that the Marlins did

1210
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:54,760
Speaker 4: and then you know, I've covered eight or ten Super Bowls,

1211
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 4: but that World Series, when you actually know the players

1212
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 4: like it would be at that embedded Uh, then it's

1213
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 4: just to see their journey the biggest thrill I've had

1214
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 4: in my entire journalistic career.

1215
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes perfect sense. You know.

1216
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 3: Wow, Just that's got to be the epitome of like

1217
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 3: what you know you look for when you get into

1218
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 3: this industry.

1219
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 1: That's sort of segways to my last question for you.

1220
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 3: Just, you know, any advice you have for you know,

1221
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 3: someone young like Kevin, or you know someone that's finishing

1222
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 3: up college like myself, or anyone listening that wants to

1223
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 3: get into the journalist industry, what would you recommend?

1224
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 1: Would you recommend it?

1225
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 3: I know it's changed, like you and I spoke about

1226
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 3: in the press box the other day, it's just not

1227
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 3: that what it is, what it used to be.

1228
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. So just whatever advice you want to share.

1229
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I think listen, not just think you

1230
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 4: have the answers before listening. I think being a good

1231
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:44,919
Speaker 4: listener to just ask a lot of questions, don't take

1232
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 4: everything at face value, and if you hear something a

1233
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 4: point of view, you could hear my point of view,

1234
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 4: say Joe makes a good point of view, you go

1235
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 4: find a conflicting point of view and say, hey, that's

1236
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 4: an interesting and then try to form your own basis.

1237
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 4: But I would also advise anyone to do this because

1238
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 4: it used to be a little bit more storytelling the

1239
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 4: reporting end of stuff. I would say, have some sort

1240
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 4: of real expertise, and whether it's a business or whatever.

1241
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 4: I think I give Mike Petriello at MLB dot com

1242
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 4: a guy I have a lot of respect for a

1243
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 4: lot of a lot of credit because he kind of

1244
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 4: found a role. He's more of a data person who

1245
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 4: could explain communicate data very effectively, you know, much better

1246
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 4: than I could ever have done, you know, because I

1247
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 4: didn't have that mindset. Maybe I could write it better,

1248
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 4: you know something. But that so you know, have an expertise.

1249
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 4: I think it's also important to not just get so

1250
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 4: married to the numbers. I think a lot of the

1251
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 4: moneyball people that grew up with that and put a

1252
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 4: lot of value and analytics and I do too, but

1253
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 4: recognize that there is an evaluation development end that just

1254
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 4: the data. And I think I think Isaac responded to

1255
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 4: one of my tweets because I said, the data says

1256
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 4: what you did, and talent says what you can do.

1257
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 4: You know, if you want to look at jazz and

1258
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 4: just if you believe jazz is you know a can't

1259
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 4: hit lefties no matter what, then never let him hit

1260
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 4: against the lefting. And I will be telling you that

1261
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 4: would be a tremendous mistake because a guy with that

1262
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 4: much talent, that that bat speed, that approach, that inner desire,

1263
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 4: the guy can hit velocity should get opportunity. So you,

1264
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 4: you know, try to get a an I for some

1265
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 4: sort of evaluation and if you can't pick it up

1266
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 4: by what you can see, talk to those who can

1267
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 4: and say, hey, is that real? You know? Is is that?

1268
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 4: You know? Is there hope there? How did that look?

1269
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 4: But ask a lot of questions, and you know that

1270
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 4: I think that you're then you you kind of develop

1271
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 4: your own personality into it. You know, I'm hearing a

1272
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 4: lot of younger people when I'm listening to a lot

1273
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 4: of these telecasts.

1274
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 1: That's classic.

1275
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 3: Sorry, those were watching the Tenure with the Goat ten

1276
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 3: years ago, Joefer Sorrow and I versus.

1277
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that must have been one of the minor

1278
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:07,920
Speaker 1: league camps in Jupiter.

1279
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 3: Great to that's a great one that I'm gonna print

1280
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 3: that one out and put it on my wall.

1281
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love the glasses.

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Speaker 1: Those are awesome. Yeah. I didn't get a lot of

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Speaker 1: girls in middle school. Case now, no, I'm sure you did.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, you know, just uh, you know, have a

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Speaker 4: passion to whatever, if anything to anyone. I remember I

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Speaker 4: was talking to some you know my when my kids

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Speaker 4: are in high school. I was talking to one of

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Speaker 4: their classes. Came in and talked journalism at Cooper City

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Speaker 4: High School. And there's one girl she has her head

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Speaker 4: on the table like this, and like I said, okay,

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Speaker 4: you need an app She goes I'm listening, and I'm

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Speaker 4: like okay. It's like so I'm like put one to

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Speaker 4: bed already. But it was like, just have a passion

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Speaker 4: for what you do, whether you're going to journalism, whatever,

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Speaker 4: just try to like to do what you do, because

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Speaker 4: I think you'd become a better employee and be a

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Speaker 4: happy a person if you have a passion for it,

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Speaker 4: you know, whether it's baseball writing or baseball talking baseball.

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Speaker 4: But but talk to us many people, you know, get

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Speaker 4: as many points of view and learn Because I remember

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Speaker 4: Jack mckeeon one time telling me that he learned something

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Speaker 4: from like a grounds crew person, like he was, you know,

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Speaker 4: at one places he didn't mind getting feedback from anybody.

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Speaker 4: You know, journalists would give him, you know, suggestions he

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Speaker 4: maybe incorporated if it made sense. And he said, at

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Speaker 4: one time a grounds crew mentioned, hey, Jack, you know

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Speaker 4: over here in left field this thing kind of what

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Speaker 4: do you think about this? And it kind of that

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Speaker 4: guy bringing that to his attention broughtup a grounds crew

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Speaker 4: issue because there was like something that was like literally

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Speaker 4: in the field of play, and what if the ball

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Speaker 4: hit that during the game, you know, it would have

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Speaker 4: created an awkward you know, a groundscrew issue. But if

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Speaker 4: that groundscrew person, if Jack wasn't talking to him about

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Speaker 4: that moment, you know, and this was years ago. Now

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Speaker 4: everything is you know, watch so much closely, but you know,

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Speaker 4: there were times when not a lot of thought went

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Speaker 4: into you know, you know, what was build left field.

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Speaker 4: If the tree was on the field, who cared? You know,

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Speaker 4: you know, so that that type of stuff you could

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Speaker 4: always you could always learn by talking to people at

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Speaker 4: the stadium and you know those around the game the

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Speaker 4: most too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that's a perfect way to end it. Joe,

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Speaker 2: if you have anything else to tell the people, thank

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Speaker 2: you for coming on. It was an honor and it

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Speaker 2: was a great pot I mean, we got to talk

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Speaker 2: about so much topics. So thank you for coming on.

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Speaker 2: If you have anything else to tell the people.

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Speaker 4: No, No, I appreciate you guys having me on. I

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Speaker 4: admire both of you guys. It's great meeting you and

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Speaker 4: getting to know you guys this year and enjoying your work.

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Speaker 4: And and yeah, I'm at the at Man on Second,

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Speaker 4: Man on two n D if you want to follow

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Speaker 4: me on Twitter. The podcast stream there as well as

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Speaker 4: the five Reason Sports YouTube. We do a couple of

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Speaker 4: Men on Second podcasts, and I'm doing a Prospect podcast

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Speaker 4: every week with with David Fernandez. That's part of a

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Speaker 4: it's kind of a joint and Man on Second Five

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Speaker 4: Reasons production, and you know, it's it's just fun. It's

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Speaker 4: fun doing this, you know, like I said, happy, you

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Speaker 4: guys grew up reading me and now you're kind of

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Speaker 4: hearing me. You know. It's I do like to write,

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Speaker 4: but it's fun just to kick back and talk it

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Speaker 4: as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, from from myself, Kevin, Isaac, Joe, we'll see you

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Speaker 2: guys all in two weeks.

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Speaker 1: Peace out and go fish all right, all right,