WEBVTT - Infamous: Annaliese Puccini 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:05.120 Ben Higgins and Ashley I bring you Infamous. Sometimes roses 0:00:05.280 --> 0:00:06.320 are red flags. 0:00:07.320 --> 0:00:11.600 Welcome back to Infamous Today. Our story continues with Annalise 0:00:11.680 --> 0:00:14.720 Puccini Annalis, Hello, how are you? 0:00:15.200 --> 0:00:17.920 I'm good. How are you guys doing good? 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:20.360 We're good. We're doing this behind the scenes of the 0:00:20.360 --> 0:00:23.360 Bachelor thing. So we wanted to revisit a whole bunch 0:00:23.440 --> 0:00:27.920 of scenes throughout the history of the show that people 0:00:28.000 --> 0:00:30.680 remember as some of the most dramatic, and one of 0:00:30.720 --> 0:00:35.320 those scenes is you and Camille breaking up on the 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:38.720 live show, the reunion show of Bachelor and Paradise. So 0:00:38.720 --> 0:00:41.120 that's what we really want to concentrate on with you today. 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:45.920 Okay, all right, So I love those moments. 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:48.479 Yeah, this is it is a bit. It's been a bit, 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:52.600 it's been a minute. Is it as traumatic? I guess 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:55.080 it's not as traumatic now in your memories as it 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:57.440 was in the moment. Is it something that it has 0:00:57.480 --> 0:01:00.280 affected you to this day? 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:02.840 I would say it has not affected me to this day. 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:06.920 But it's weird how like live TV is because I 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:09.360 don't know if you I'm sure you both experienced this, 0:01:09.480 --> 0:01:12.240 but like some of the moments that happened, you totally 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:15.200 think went like a little bit of a different way. 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:16.959 Like I knew it was bad, but I didn't realize 0:01:17.000 --> 0:01:18.959 how bad it was until I watched it back, and 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:23.120 then I was like, oh my god, that was actually terrible, 0:01:23.200 --> 0:01:25.039 you know what I mean, Like you get this weird, 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:28.680 like almost amnesia from the event because your body's like 0:01:28.720 --> 0:01:32.840 protecting you, so you're being like that was really bad. 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:35.120 But I remember in the moment being like, Okay, this 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:38.679 is awful, but I think it was almost worse watching 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:39.120 it back. 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:43.280 So I always think that I'm being cooler in the 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:46.160 live moment, and then I watch it back and it's like, nothing, 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:47.400 You're not that cool. 0:01:47.880 --> 0:01:52.320 This is the one time, probably ever that that editing 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:56.080 was fully in my favor I felt, because I actually 0:01:56.080 --> 0:01:59.440 felt like I was I was so just thrown off 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:03.120 that like the live show, I was stuttering and stumbling 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:07.720 over my words and feeling like not composed. And then 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:11.639 I remember watching it back and I was like, oh, yeah, okay, yes, 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:14.600 you like held your own you did really well, you know, 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:18.280 so composed, so clear, not how I felt at all 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:19.120 in the live show. 0:02:19.360 --> 0:02:21.960 Let's start at the beginning, though, Let's start to kind 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:25.799 of give everybody who watched this. It's a memorable moment. 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:31.160 It's on all the lists we found of most dramatic, memorable, 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:36.080 iconic moments in Bachelor history. But for those who watched 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:38.040 it can remember a little bit of it, but don't 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:40.600 remember the relationship, because I'll be honest, I don't remember 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:45.000 your relationship together very well. Start at the beginning, when 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:49.000 you guys first met, and I'm gonna and we're gonna 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:51.760 kind of filter in some questions based on kind of 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:53.360 what you're talking about when it comes to when you 0:02:53.400 --> 0:02:55.160 met him on the beach in Paradise. 0:02:57.360 --> 0:03:01.120 So I remember, like when producers were talking to me 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:04.080 before even going on and they were like, who are you? 0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:05.960 Who would you like to see? And I knew nothing 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:08.840 about him because he had gone home night one of 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:13.000 Becca season, and so I didn't I didn't know anything 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:14.799 about him, but I, like, you know, had snooped on 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:18.400 his Instagram, and I thought, he definitely seems like my type, 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:21.239 which maybe that should have been right right then Verica 0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:25.640 telling don't be interested. But so he was somebody that 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:27.840 I was like, I am attracted to him. He seems 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:30.000 like he travels and like does cool things, you know, 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:34.480 and so I was hopeful and then he did show up, 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:39.200 and I remember I think I had just I think 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:40.880 Kenny and I had just sort of split ways, and 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:42.280 I was just like, well, this is like the end 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:47.520 of my paradise, like trick this, you know, this time around, 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:49.240 this is it for me. There's no one else. And 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:52.400 then he showed up, and I was like thanking the 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:55.360 paradise gods that he showed up and we I mean, 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:58.440 sometimes you just know that, like you and somebody are 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:01.400 gonna have chemistry, you know, And I just I think 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:04.840 that's what I was thinking when I told producers also 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:06.800 that he was somebody that I would be interested in, 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:10.520 because I just kind of knew that person, like in 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:15.120 a very vague way, like I knew his type, you know. 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:18.719 So when he showed up, I felt like, yes, we connected, 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:23.279 we had chemistry. I think probably the reason people didn't 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:25.360 know our relationship that much was because I feel like 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:30.039 we didn't get a ton of airtime, which is fine. 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:32.720 There was more interesting things probably happening. We were, honestly 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:35.839 just like laying on the sun beds quite often, like 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:39.800 having conversations. I don't even really remember. It was like 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:44.279 it felt very like a summer camp boyfriend if I'm 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:47.520 thinking back to it, like you know, not the not 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:49.839 the guy I'm gonna marry, but like we had fun, 0:04:50.000 --> 0:04:53.200 we had chemistry. We were just like silly together. That's 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:58.120 what I remember anyways. So I think I think like 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:00.520 we both knew going into like the Last day of 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:03.599 Paradise when the engagements and things happened like that was 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:07.400 probably not gonna happen for us. But but because we 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:10.240 were just having fun, and that's exactly what happened. 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:15.359 I remember at Winter Games, they were always trying to 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:18.520 get me to like say big things. You know, they 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:22.200 were trying to make me They weren't trying to I 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:24.040 don't know. Maybe they were trying to make me exaggerate 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:26.800 my feelings, but they really wanted me to be like, 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:30.760 this is it. I found my person where I was like, no, no, 0:05:30.680 --> 0:05:32.880 I found somebody who likes me back, and that seems 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:34.960 pretty cool, but like, I don't know about how it's 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:36.200 going to be when we get out of here, but 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:38.080 it feels nice to be liked right now. You know. 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:40.440 That was like what I was truly feeling. But then 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:45.760 you're in the interview room and they're like, but like, 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:49.280 do you think this is the one. How much of 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:52.040 that were you experiencing with Camille Constant. 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:54.640 Oh my god, Like the pressure to say I love 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:58.320 you or they're the one, or I've never felt this 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:00.680 way before. It's hilarious because I do remember, like one 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:02.640 of the things that I was sort of known for 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:05.640 after that season was like saying, I've never felt like 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:08.400 this before. And it cracks me up because I still 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:11.120 defend it though, because I'm like, yeah, maybe I didn't 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:13.320 feel that way, like the way I was feeling about 0:06:13.360 --> 0:06:17.000 that person, maybe I hadn't felt that way before, But 0:06:17.320 --> 0:06:20.560 it didn't mean that like those words were attached to 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:22.719 I love you or like this was my person. It 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:24.200 was just like, yeah, this is a new feeling, like 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:27.520 I'm feeling excited about this person because of X or 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:30.080 whatever like it, you know. But yeah, there was a 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:32.560 lot of pressure, and I remember those conversations and just 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:34.479 there were times that I was like I don't I 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:36.120 just like, is it okay just to be like I 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:38.000 don't know. But it was not like those are not 0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:44.839 the answers that they wanted to get. 0:06:50.400 --> 0:06:51.920 Do you feel like I mean you both said that 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:54.680 you've had this experience where you sit down and it's 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:58.640 it is very common for the producers to want you 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:01.640 to say these big claims. Do you feel like that 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:05.680 works or was it more of you just trying to 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:07.919 get out of the room as quickly as possible so 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:10.480 that you're not sitting in an ITM room? Or do 0:07:10.560 --> 0:07:13.160 you feel like them kind of saying this and saying 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:15.080 it like over and over again, day after day. Are 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:17.800 you feeling it yet? And then when I remember these 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:20.080 moments where maybe'd be like, I don't think I am, 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:23.000 and they'd be like really like almost like make you 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:24.760 feel like there's something wrong with you, and I'd be like, well, 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:27.480 maybe I do, maybe I should, I don't know. My 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:30.400 question is do you think that kind of strategy worked 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:33.720 or did it just make it, you know, push kind 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:34.679 of push you off? 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:41.320 To me? Yeah, it worked on me because I felt 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:45.360 like I was letting them down if I didn't feel 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:50.000 like they had helped me find my way, especially at 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:53.000 that point. So that was like my fourth season, right, 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:57.680 so they seemed so genuinely happy for me, and I 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:00.600 had known these producers they were such my as friends 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:03.760 that like I wanted them to be excited for me, 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:05.800 and maybe I was like it, I kind of want 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:07.920 to I know this sounds maybe egotistical, but like I 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:13.640 wanted the audience to be excited for me, and yeah, 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:15.720 I don't know. I just kind of went along with 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:19.240 it as much as I could consciously because I was 0:08:19.320 --> 0:08:21.440 never going to say like words like I love you 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:23.040 or like I'm falling in love. I wasn't going to 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:27.160 use that, but I had I had felt that with 0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:29.040 you know, Jared in Paradise. 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:30.960 I do feel like there's I mean, there's a lot 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:33.400 of things that happen, there's so many like tactics used, 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:36.319 right like the I think that there is the comparison, 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:38.880 like you're seeing these other people who are having these 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:42.079 big feelings and you're like, should I be there already? 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:45.480 And you know you already weird pressure cooker, which, like 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:48.120 I've always said, and I'm people say that all the time, 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:52.600 that like things happen there obviously at like a way 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:56.040 way crazy rate, and you're feeling so many things that 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:58.560 you normally wouldn't feel super quickly, and you feel like 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:01.400 you have to kind of like play people sometimes because 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:03.840 if you don't say, like this is the person that 0:09:03.920 --> 0:09:06.319 I am like, especially on something like Paradise, like this 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:07.800 is the person that I'm here for and this is 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:09.960 the person I want to finish with. You're kind of 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:13.360 like saying like like what are you doing there? Then 0:09:13.440 --> 0:09:15.600 you know, like to me, there felt like a little 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:18.240 bit of this pressure too, But yes, I do think 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:21.480 sometimes them saying like how do you feel? And are 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:24.080 you in love? And this and this? Like sometimes it 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:28.840 did the question sometimes made me go, hmm, maybe I 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:30.760 am more into this person than I thought. And then 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:32.960 other times it would do the opposite, and like they're 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:35.200 like the people that I would question, like maybe I 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:37.520 could be in love with this person, then I would 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:40.240 like follow that thought process people that I was like, no, 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:43.400 there's absolutely no way. I'm just having fun with them, 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:45.840 I think. Then sometimes those questions would like push me 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:49.040 to my answer of like no, I'm not really excited 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:52.120 about them, and that in like a proposal or like 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:54.280 something like that. At the end of this then it 0:09:54.360 --> 0:09:55.000 felt scary. 0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:58.599 Do you ever say? I remember moments where I was 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:02.080 I'm not gonna say that, like no guys like I 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:06.239 don't know, and then like they would just keep rewarding 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:09.400 the question to make you say and like at some 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:13.400 point you're just like all word it to the best 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:16.120 I can word it to feel okay about what you 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:16.920 want me to say. 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:20.800 Yeah, and then you're like, I have very strong feelings, 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:24.640 my heart feels very full around them, Like you try 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:27.360 to dance around the question, and then they edit it 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:29.720 together and make you just sound like you're even crazier 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:34.480 because you're like, love it about them, and really you're 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:36.640 trying to say that you actually don't. You just love 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:38.160 qualities about them or something. 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:42.200 Yeah, it's good, it's it's it works. I think it 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:44.640 could be the one of the reasons why the show 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:47.280 struggles is I do think it got a little overproduced 0:10:47.280 --> 0:10:50.120 to where things are be like being forced to be 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:52.080 said that people are like, there's no way they actually 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:54.240 feel that, Like I don't see that. I can't relate 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:57.640 with that, and at least something that people can relate with. Though, 0:10:58.000 --> 0:11:02.120 as we transition into obviously at this live show, but 0:11:02.160 --> 0:11:05.080 also getting some background now and your more background on 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:08.800 your relationship with Camille, would you say, based on everything 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:10.880 we just talked about, then there was no faking it 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:15.400 with Camille. While in Paradise, there. 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:20.080 Was no faking it for me. I would say it 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:23.960 just wasn't like, especially looking back now, but when I 0:11:24.040 --> 0:11:26.400 was in the moment, like I really I liked him. 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:29.360 I had a crush on him. I was like, he's cute. 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:31.880 I want to date this man. I don't know what 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:34.280 it's going to lead to, but I was excited about him, 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:37.480 like one hundred percent. I just was like, yeah, I 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:40.440 had those giddy butterflies and I was excited. Looking back 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:42.679 on it, I'm like, it was it was a very 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:47.520 like immature relationship in terms of like relationships I've been in, 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:51.120 and yeah, it was just like a part of my history. 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:53.920 But do you think he was faking it? Then? I mean, well, 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:55.960 we're going to get into what actually happens, you know, 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:59.240 in the live show. But you say, no, this was 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:01.400 real for you. But looking back, do you think it 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:03.000 was real for him when you were there? 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:05.160 I think that he had a crush on me too. 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:07.320 I think that we did. Now I'm nervous. I'm like, 0:12:07.320 --> 0:12:08.920 are you guys gonna have him on and he's gonna 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:13.760 be like, no, I hate you're a friend. 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:17.640 I actually couldn't even remember him, So you're fine. I 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:19.200 don't think he's anywhere to be found. 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:22.680 Yeah, I mean we had this is like jumping past 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:28.200 the live show, you know, Like I think it happens 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:32.160 a lot more nowadays, like people intertwine outside of the 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:36.480 show before and after being on shows. He and I 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:39.520 continued to talk after the breakup on the live show, 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:44.559 and I partially because I didn't really remember how bad 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:47.120 the breakup was, and so there was like there's this 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:49.320 time period between when the breakup happened and when it 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:50.640 actually aired because. 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:53.160 It wasn't a real live show. It was a pre 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:54.560 taped reunion show, right. 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:58.080 I think, yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry, yes, pre taped reunion show. 0:12:58.080 --> 0:12:59.959 So at that show it was I think there was 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:02.079 still like a couple of weeks before it actually aired, 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:06.120 and I remember like during that time when the when 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:09.960 the breakup happened, I went back to my hotel room 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:13.120 and I called one of my best friends and she 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:15.400 and another one of my girlfriends, they both flew down 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:18.880 and like got a hotel and we ended up doing 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:21.320 a girls trip and having such a good time and 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:22.760 like because they were like, we want you to still 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:24.680 do all the Bachelor things, because that was the thing. 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:27.319 Like after that reunion, everyone was going to all these 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:28.959 parties and stuff together and I was like, I want 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:30.640 to be a part of it, but I'm part broken. 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:33.200 So I'm not going to write and they were like, no, 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:35.600 We're going to come down and just support you and 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:37.960 like be there for you. And all the girls from 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:40.200 my season like really rallied around me, and it was 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:43.640 it was it ended up being fun. I don't think 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:45.120 like it had hit me yet. I was still a 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:49.840 little bit in denial. And during that time they were like, 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:51.720 he had been talking to me. He was like, I 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:54.520 really want to apologize to you, blah blah blah, you know, 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:58.720 trying to reach out to me. And so so there 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:01.959 was a day that my friends talked to him on 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:04.160 the beach for like two hours. They were like, Annaly's 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:06.240 go for a walk and they talked to him. He 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:09.840 and I went on a hike with them, and during 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:11.880 that time like and this is where I'm I'm I'm 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:14.360 bringing this up because this is where I think he 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:16.480 had real feelings for me. I don't think if he 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:18.160 was faking it this whole time, I don't think he 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:19.960 would have gone to the trouble of like staying in 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:22.840 my life. My dad had passed away, like right after 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:26.120 the Union show aired. A couple weeks later, he had passed. 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:28.600 Kamille was one of the first people to like call 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:31.080 and send a card. So as much as like I 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:35.360 would love to to be like, uh, you know that guy, 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:38.320 I hate him whatever, like, I do think that there 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:39.600 was a part of him that cared about me. 0:14:40.000 --> 0:14:46.160 Okay, so let's rewind a little bit. In between Paradise filming, 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:50.400 rapping and the reunion show, did you guys see each other? 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:52.240 What were those hangouts like if. 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:55.000 Yes, yes, I'm trying to remember. 0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:56.760 I think he went to New York. 0:14:56.880 --> 0:14:59.720 I went to New York, But I don't remember if 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:02.440 there was any other times that we saw each I 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:03.080 don't think there were. 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:06.080 You were talking about like I know, there's a quote 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:08.760 that you said that we're doing long distance. It's difficult, 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:10.080 but we're still pretty happy. 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:14.080 Yeah, and that's we're just talking every day on the phone. 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:16.360 I went out to New York. I was there for 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:20.720 I think a couple of weeks. And yeah, I mean, 0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:23.280 like I say, but it's like when you're on Paradise, 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:26.720 you have no bills to pay, you have no responsibilities, 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:29.240 you're not cooking food like you you know, it's just 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:32.840 it's it is vacation in a lot of ways. And 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:34.680 so then coming back to the real world and like 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:40.920 trying to make money again and just get back into life. 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:44.120 I think that's where I started to also be like, Okay, 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:47.160 this is like still fun, Like I like him, I 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:48.680 still have a crush on him. But that's where I 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:50.360 started to be like, I don't know if this will 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:53.800 work in terms of like how are which city would 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:56.920 we move to? You know, like would we have kids, 0:15:57.120 --> 0:15:59.600 would we get married? I just didn't know if I 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:02.720 saw those things all of a sudden, like fitting into 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:05.560 my life and me fitting into his life. 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:09.040 Outside of the fact that he did it, sounds like 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:12.480 he did the best he could with the post breakup moment. 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:16.640 The post the breakup moment was memorable, shocking. Some would 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:20.080 say uh and talked about a lot coming off of 0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:24.480 that live show. So let's talk about the moment. Going 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:28.320 into that evening. Did you have any expectations that your 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:31.560 relationship was going to be ending on live television that night? 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:35.840 Not whatsoever? None, like not, There wasn't even a part 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:38.880 of me because we had talked about it, and I 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:41.480 remember him saying like I can't be manipulated like that, 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:44.000 like you know, no, I'm not going to do it. 0:16:44.120 --> 0:16:46.520 I think I think he really didn't want to be 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:51.920 like the bad guy. And I think that's where I 0:16:52.040 --> 0:16:57.040 think how producers maybe got into his head was making 0:16:57.120 --> 0:16:59.280 him feel like he was going to be doing the 0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:03.880 right thing by breaking up with me. I remember like 0:17:04.200 --> 0:17:07.199 him saying producers told him like, if you do this, 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:09.080 like you're going to be the hero because then she 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:11.760 could be the bachelorette or things like that, and so 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:13.760 I think he thought like, oh, okay, if this is 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:16.479 not like the for me, like I'm gonna and so 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:20.120 he actually had said to me after the readingion show, 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:22.960 he was like, I I thought like I was doing 0:17:23.000 --> 0:17:24.879 the right thing by you. Like I thought it was 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:26.400 going to be a good thing. I thought people were 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:29.520 going to be like happy that I did this, which 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:32.040 is such like a weird concept, but I mean I 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:35.920 can kind of understand it a little bit. But they 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:40.639 put me in a room with with Jenna, and I 0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:43.359 think that was it, and she was like she was engaged, 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:47.680 and so my hype room was like, You're gonna get 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:49.600 engaged tonight, and I was like, no, I'm not. I like, 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:52.159 I know, at least we're not there, you know, we 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:57.239 might leave here being like yeah, we're still together. But 0:17:57.240 --> 0:18:00.119 but I didn't think that and then he was in 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:03.119 a room by himself, and I think he was getting 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:06.159 like talked to in a very different way. It was like, 0:18:06.240 --> 0:18:08.560 you're going to be doing the right thing, and you 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:11.920 know she's a nice person, but is she the love 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:13.679 of your life? You know? I think it was very different. 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:29.000 You said I even talked to him about this. Yeah, 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:31.960 like you had been worried that possibly he would break 0:18:32.000 --> 0:18:33.000 up with you on the live show. 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:35.720 Well, the thing is so like going into it, we 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:39.720 had we were dating, you know, like, but we weren't. 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:42.880 I didn't think we were getting engaged anytime soon. And 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:47.000 we were kind of like we're good, but we're not great. 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:49.359 We weren't in like the best of place when it 0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:52.199 was coming to the live show. And he was like 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:54.040 when he had gone on back a season, he had 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:57.920 not watched any of the Bachelor, Bachelorette, Paradise anything. He 0:18:58.040 --> 0:19:00.320 was like super unfamiliar, and so he just always was 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:03.800 like I got this, like it's fine, and and I'm 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:06.520 like no, no, no, like they if they want this 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:09.280 to happen, they will make it happen. And he's like no, no, no, 0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:13.120 I can't be I can't be, Like but they can't 0:19:13.119 --> 0:19:16.160 do that to me. So so it was a little 0:19:16.160 --> 0:19:19.520 bit more of just like a, hey, you know, if 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:22.720 this is what they're thinking, like, don't do it. Let's 0:19:22.800 --> 0:19:25.240 like just break up outside of the show in a 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:27.280 couple of weeks if that's what needs to happen, But 0:19:27.320 --> 0:19:29.080 like we don't need to have it happen on live TV. 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:31.399 So it wasn't like I expected it to happen. It 0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:33.760 was more just a you're not familiar with the show 0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:36.320 and how this works, and it could happen. You know, 0:19:36.320 --> 0:19:37.280 it could happen to anyone. 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:42.240 That's scary. I mean, I'm sure like even going into it, 0:19:42.280 --> 0:19:45.320 like once you had that conversation, I'm guessing you felt, 0:19:45.720 --> 0:19:47.520 you know, comfortable and like, Okay, at least I don't 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:49.439 have to go intonight knowing I'm gonna get broken up 0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:53.280 with He's confident saying no, they cannot even convince me 0:19:53.359 --> 0:19:56.480 to do that. It shows the power of convince it 0:19:56.800 --> 0:20:01.199 convincing that they have over people. And so as he 0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:05.760 starts to speak and as you start to realize that 0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:10.439 he's breaking up with me, what is your memory of 0:20:10.480 --> 0:20:12.800 the emotions and the thoughts going through your head. 0:20:14.320 --> 0:20:16.800 I remember I was just sitting you know, in the 0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:19.920 hot seat, and they had done it also in a 0:20:19.960 --> 0:20:21.800