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Speaker 1: Ben Higgins and Ashley I bring you Infamous. Sometimes roses

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Speaker 1: are red flags.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Infamous Today. Our story continues with Annalise

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Speaker 2: Puccini Annalis, Hello, how are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm good. How are you guys doing good?

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Speaker 2: We're good. We're doing this behind the scenes of the

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Speaker 2: Bachelor thing. So we wanted to revisit a whole bunch

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Speaker 2: of scenes throughout the history of the show that people

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Speaker 2: remember as some of the most dramatic, and one of

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Speaker 2: those scenes is you and Camille breaking up on the

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Speaker 2: live show, the reunion show of Bachelor and Paradise. So

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Speaker 2: that's what we really want to concentrate on with you today.

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, So I love those moments.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is it is a bit. It's been a bit,

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Speaker 2: it's been a minute. Is it as traumatic? I guess

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Speaker 2: it's not as traumatic now in your memories as it

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Speaker 2: was in the moment. Is it something that it has

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Speaker 2: affected you to this day?

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Speaker 3: I would say it has not affected me to this day.

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Speaker 3: But it's weird how like live TV is because I

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Speaker 3: don't know if you I'm sure you both experienced this,

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Speaker 3: but like some of the moments that happened, you totally

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Speaker 3: think went like a little bit of a different way.

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Speaker 3: Like I knew it was bad, but I didn't realize

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Speaker 3: how bad it was until I watched it back, and

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Speaker 3: then I was like, oh my god, that was actually terrible,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like you get this weird,

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Speaker 3: like almost amnesia from the event because your body's like

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Speaker 3: protecting you, so you're being like that was really bad.

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Speaker 3: But I remember in the moment being like, Okay, this

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Speaker 3: is awful, but I think it was almost worse watching

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Speaker 2: So I always think that I'm being cooler in the

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Speaker 2: live moment, and then I watch it back and it's like, nothing,

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Speaker 2: You're not that cool.

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Speaker 3: This is the one time, probably ever that that editing

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Speaker 3: was fully in my favor I felt, because I actually

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Speaker 3: felt like I was I was so just thrown off

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Speaker 3: that like the live show, I was stuttering and stumbling

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Speaker 3: over my words and feeling like not composed. And then

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Speaker 3: I remember watching it back and I was like, oh, yeah, okay, yes,

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Speaker 3: you like held your own you did really well, you know,

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Speaker 3: so composed, so clear, not how I felt at all

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Speaker 1: Let's start at the beginning, though, Let's start to kind

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Speaker 1: of give everybody who watched this. It's a memorable moment.

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Speaker 1: It's on all the lists we found of most dramatic, memorable,

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Speaker 1: iconic moments in Bachelor history. But for those who watched

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Speaker 1: it can remember a little bit of it, but don't

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Speaker 1: remember the relationship, because I'll be honest, I don't remember

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Speaker 1: your relationship together very well. Start at the beginning, when

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Speaker 1: you guys first met, and I'm gonna and we're gonna

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Speaker 1: kind of filter in some questions based on kind of

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Speaker 1: what you're talking about when it comes to when you

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Speaker 1: met him on the beach in Paradise.

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Speaker 3: So I remember, like when producers were talking to me

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Speaker 3: before even going on and they were like, who are you?

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Speaker 3: Who would you like to see? And I knew nothing

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Speaker 3: which maybe that should have been right right then Verica

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Speaker 3: telling don't be interested. But so he was somebody that

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Speaker 3: paradise gods that he showed up and we I mean,

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Speaker 3: sometimes you just know that, like you and somebody are

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Speaker 3: There was more interesting things probably happening. We were, honestly

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Speaker 3: thinking back to it, like you know, not the not

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Speaker 3: probably not gonna happen for us. But but because we

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Speaker 3: were just having fun, and that's exactly what happened.

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Speaker 2: I remember at Winter Games, they were always trying to

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Speaker 2: were trying to make me They weren't trying to I

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Speaker 2: don't know. Maybe they were trying to make me exaggerate

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Speaker 2: this is it. I found my person where I was like, no, no,

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Speaker 2: I found somebody who likes me back, and that seems

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Speaker 2: pretty cool, but like, I don't know about how it's

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Speaker 2: going to be when we get out of here, but

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Speaker 2: it feels nice to be liked right now. You know.

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Speaker 2: That was like what I was truly feeling. But then

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Speaker 2: you're in the interview room and they're like, but like,

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Speaker 2: that were you experiencing with Camille Constant.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, Like the pressure to say I love

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Speaker 3: way before. It's hilarious because I do remember, like one

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Speaker 3: it didn't mean that like those words were attached to

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Speaker 3: whatever like it, you know. But yeah, there was a

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Speaker 3: don't know. But it was not like those are not

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Speaker 1: Do you feel like I mean you both said that

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Speaker 1: you feel like them kind of saying this and saying

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Speaker 1: it like over and over again, day after day. Are

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Speaker 2: To me? Yeah, it worked on me because I felt

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Speaker 3: I do feel like there's I mean, there's a lot

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Speaker 3: And you know you already weird pressure cooker, which, like

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Speaker 3: I think. Then sometimes those questions would like push me

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Speaker 3: about them, and that in like a proposal or like

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Speaker 2: Do you ever say? I remember moments where I was

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say that, like no guys like I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you're like, I have very strong feelings,

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Speaker 3: my heart feels very full around them, Like you try

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Speaker 3: because you're like, love it about them, and really you're

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Speaker 3: trying to say that you actually don't. You just love

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good, it's it's it works. I think it

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Speaker 1: struggles is I do think it got a little overproduced

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Speaker 1: to where things are be like being forced to be

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Speaker 3: I think that we did. Now I'm nervous. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I actually couldn't even remember him, So you're fine. I

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Speaker 2: It wasn't a real live show. It was a pre

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Speaker 3: Not whatsoever? None, like not, There wasn't even a part

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Speaker 3: I think I think he really didn't want to be

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Speaker 3: I think he thought like, oh, okay, if this is

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Speaker 2: You said I even talked to him about this. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Well, the thing is so like going into it, we

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Speaker 3: like no, no, no, like they if they want this

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Speaker 3: So it wasn't like I expected it to happen. It

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Speaker 1: That's scary. I mean, I'm sure like even going into it,

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: definitely had a future bachelorette moment there. What did the

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Speaker 2: producer tell you? Did they give you lines? No?

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Speaker 3: She said to me, like this is going to be

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Speaker 3: a very like female empowerment moment if you go out

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Speaker 3: and like stand up for yourself. And I think there

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Speaker 3: was like a moment that I was like, yeah, I

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Speaker 3: don't want to just end it walking off the stage

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Speaker 3: and like letting that be my story, and.

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Speaker 1: So it was.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think the thing true is that like

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Speaker 3: I was, I was always known to be like the

444
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Speaker 3: girl that was crying, and like I didn't I needed to,

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Speaker 3: Like I'm so glad I did take that second to

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Speaker 3: step off the stage. Because I needed to compose myself

447
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Speaker 3: for two seconds and if I was going to go

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Speaker 3: back out there, like take that time and come back out.

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Speaker 3: So I'm glad I did and and yeah, but it

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Speaker 3: was not It was not easy. That was a rough night.

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Speaker 2: I need I need to ask you something, as you

452
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Speaker 2: and I had sort of similar caricatures. Did you feel like, man,

453
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Speaker 2: they're doing this to me again. They're putting me in

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Speaker 2: a situation to get dumped and be this sad girl again.

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Speaker 3: In that moment, I wasn't thinking about anything, like I

456
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Speaker 3: literally was just thinking, my boyfriend is breaking up with

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Speaker 3: me in front of However, nine million people I think

458
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 3: were like, what we're watching? That's all I was thinking,

459
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Speaker 3: was just like what a freakin' gut punch and what like. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I don't think I was thinking anything, but after the fact, yes,

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Speaker 3: I was like I can't believe that that that happened

462
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Speaker 3: again kind of thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I remember in Bachelor of Paradise three, not

464
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Speaker 2: even at the beginning when I was like seeing Jared

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Speaker 2: date people. I was like, it was towards the end

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Speaker 2: where I was like, you, guys, I like looked at them,

467
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Speaker 2: I like looked at them behind the camera and I

468
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 2: was like, you're fucking doing it again. You know this

469
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Speaker 2: is outrageous. I know exactly what you're doing right now.

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Speaker 2: This is outrageous. Yeah, you just want me to stay

471
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Speaker 2: in the same box every season. I know, let me

472
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Speaker 2: have a gross home it time out.

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Speaker 1: Ashley was still convinced though all four times she went

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Speaker 1: on that they were trying to help her find love.

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Speaker 1: The reason she could be so easily convinced because she's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to disappoint them because they're trying so

477
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Speaker 1: hard to find love. And then at the same time,

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Speaker 1: when you're earlier, she was like, you're messing me over again.

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Speaker 2: Now, what is wrong with me? Sometimes I can see

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Speaker 2: the light. There are certain moments I see the light.

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Speaker 3: Certain moments, but when they call you, Like if they

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Speaker 3: called me tomorrow and said we have someone amazing for

483
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Speaker 3: you going on Paradise, I'd be like, oh my god,

484
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Speaker 3: this is my chance.

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Speaker 2: Yeah wild Bachelor of Paradise three. You guys, you're fucking crazy.

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Speaker 2: Be calls me again like nine months later, Hey, want

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Speaker 2: did you something else?

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Speaker 1: I mean yes, I like to.

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Speaker 3: I mean it all led you to your person, so.

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Speaker 2: I know, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: I don't reund about mess up way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, every step was critical and appreciated. Yeah, I just

493
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Speaker 2: see the humor.

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Speaker 1: In it now, it's all funny. Speaking of humor, Lauren Ziema,

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Speaker 1: Chris Harrison's now wonderful wife, had a tweet at the

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Speaker 1: time because you had said that you thought you were

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Speaker 1: getting an Airbnb with your boyfriend during this you know,

498
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Speaker 1: right after the show. Instead, now you're getting broken up

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Speaker 1: with she makes a tweet to Airbnb saying they need

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Speaker 1: to hook you up with an Airbnb for you and

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Speaker 1: yourself or your friends or whatever. Did they do it? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: did it come through?

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Speaker 3: Oh, it was the best. So again, like going back

504
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Speaker 3: to that time period, it was a really dark period

505
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Speaker 3: for me because the breakup happened, then a couple of

506
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Speaker 3: weeks later the breakup aired, Then a couple weeks later,

507
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Speaker 3: my dad passed away, and so I was like not

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Speaker 3: in a place to do anything, Like, I was just

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Speaker 3: in a very depressed place and I so I kind

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Speaker 3: of put off the Airbnb thing just because I like,

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Speaker 3: I didn't want to go and go on a trip.

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Speaker 3: That's not where my mind was. So I took advantage

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Speaker 3: of it a little bit later, but they were like

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Speaker 3: wherever you want to go, here's the budget. I ended

515
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Speaker 3: up choosing a goat farm in Tama's Bay, which is

516
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Speaker 3: northern California, and a couple of my girlfriends came. It

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Speaker 3: was the most amazing time. It was just a girls trip.

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Speaker 3: We hiked every day. There was like farm animals everywhere

519
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Speaker 3: we got to milk Goat. I had this like dinner

520
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Speaker 3: party the last night where I invited all the farmers.

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Speaker 3: It was a female run farm and all of the

522
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Speaker 3: farmers came and I was like, okay, but the theme

523
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Speaker 3: is like glitter and animal print and they all came

524
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Speaker 3: in like their overalls and stuff about like we don't

525
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Speaker 3: have anything, and I'm like, I got you. I got

526
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Speaker 3: costumes go lore. So we like put them in sequence

527
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Speaker 3: and it was like it was just the most fun.

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Speaker 3: I just needed like a wholesome week with my girlfriends

529
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Speaker 3: and at that time, that's really what I needed and

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Speaker 3: it was perfect.

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Speaker 1: That's awesome, that's super good. Good for Airbnb for coming

532
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Speaker 1: through on that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank god.

534
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Speaker 1: It was the one.

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Speaker 3: It was literally the one perk I got from this entire.

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Speaker 1: The analyse and closing here, I think we're gonna ask

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Speaker 1: everybody some question that's similar to this one kind of

538
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 1: to close out you. Obviously, we just walked through You

539
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: had this Bachelor in Paradise moment you met Neil. Things

540
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: were good. You walk into the live show not expecting

541
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Speaker 1: to get broken up with in front of national television,

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Speaker 1: and you did and it was heartbreaking. Looking back now,

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Speaker 1: is there anything that happened that was inauthentic to you,

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Speaker 1: anything that you wish you would have done differently, or

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00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: anything that you now see how and we kind of

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Speaker 1: talked about it, how production or how the show really

547
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: they didn't force you to do any thing, but they're

548
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 1: really good at guiding you to do the things that

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00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 1: they want you to do. And just like Ashley the same,

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00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: you know, with the big statements on love and you

551
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: were staying with the things that they were asking you

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Speaker 1: to say about love. They do a really good job

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Speaker 1: at guiding you to a place that they want you.

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Speaker 1: So now, looking back, was there anything any decision you made,

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Speaker 1: anything you said that was inauthentic to you that you

556
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Speaker 1: wish you could do differently?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I feel like there's so many things that

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00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 3: I wish I could have done differently, inauthentic. I mean, yeah,

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00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 3: there were probably times where I was just like I

560
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 3: really I was like, I'm so done getting questioned. You know,

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00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 3: there's times that you're doing interviews at like three in

562
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Speaker 3: the morning. They can be after rose ceremonies and you're tired,

563
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 3: and you're just like, yeah, like I like them, don't.

564
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 3: I don't know whatever, whatever it is. So I'm sure

565
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 3: there was moments. I think the thing is like looking

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Speaker 3: back at the whole experience I was, it was a

567
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Speaker 3: long time ago. I have grown a lot. I think

568
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Speaker 3: I was so much more of a people pleaser then.

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Speaker 3: I think I was so much more of a yes

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Speaker 3: person back then, and I think, yeah, like if I could,

571
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Speaker 3: if I was doing it differently now, like, yeah, I

572
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 3: think people would see a very different person because the

573
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Speaker 3: person back then was was not quite as sure of herself.

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Speaker 3: I think I was also like really afraid that things

575
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Speaker 3: would be edited in a certain way, so I was

576
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 3: very careful about what I said instead of just being

577
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Speaker 3: like sciruit, I'm going to be myself and like be

578
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 3: funny and hope that that works.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, well, antalis As, we did want to

581
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 2: concern that we still want to know where you are

582
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 2: today as far as relationship goes, because it's so tied

583
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Speaker 2: in with who you were as we know you from

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Speaker 2: the show.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I wish that I had great news for

586
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 3: you guys, but I am single, ready to mingle. It

587
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 3: is so rough out there. I have been stood out

588
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Speaker 3: twice in the past, like a couple of weeks. So yeah,

589
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 3: it hasn't been great. And I've been on one official

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00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 3: date in twenty twenty five. So my twenty twenty five

591
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 3: is my year of like, send me, send me somebody good.

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Speaker 3: If you if you have a single dad at the

593
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Speaker 3: elementary school, if you got like a you know, a friend,

594
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Speaker 3: a neighbor, send him my way.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you this not good news for us. We

596
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: don't like to hear that news from you. We want

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00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: you to be happy in lovet But for somebody out there,

598
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Speaker 1: the fact that you're single is very good news for them.

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Speaker 3: Yes that's right, Yes, that's true.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you look like a young Denise Richards right now.

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Speaker 3: Really, yeah, I was thinking, Ben, there's I'm like, what

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Speaker 3: is his name? Enrique? And Gracias? Is that who I'm thinking?

603
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Speaker 3: Who's married at the blonde. That's what you're giving today.

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Speaker 2: In a corner Cova yeh, I see that. Oh my god, wait,

605
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 2: why does he look like en Rigue right now?

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Speaker 3: I'm like, throw a mole, like, yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think it's the v neck when that's awesome.

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Speaker 1: You're talking about me. So I look like Enrique?

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00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 3: You definitely do.

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Speaker 2: Hannah's laughing so hard in the background because you do.

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00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 2: We need to put a mole on him and it

612
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 2: would be like uncanny. I would have never thought that

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Speaker 2: Ben would look like Enrique Gilsias, but he does.

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Speaker 3: It's like I'm kidding to I can't not see it.

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00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 2: It's crazy me neither me neither. Oh my god. Fun

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Speaker 2: way to wrap this up?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, goodness, gracious, Hey everybody, this has been the Almost

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Speaker 1: Famous podcast we've had Analise here talking about the live

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Speaker 1: breakup with Camille. Wild things happen on this show. Uh,

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Speaker 1: here's the good part about it, Analise is a statement

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Speaker 1: to this wild things happen, wild moments happened, Painful moments happen.

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Speaker 1: But a few years later, everybody's Okay, Analise, You're doing great.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for coming on, Thanks for having me. Follow the

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Speaker 3: Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast on iHeartRadio or

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Speaker 3: subscribe wherever you listen.

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Speaker 2: Upon casts,