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Speaker 1: Warning, This podcast contains spoilers for limited series Moon Night

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Speaker 1: on Disney, plus the film Everything Everywhere, All At Once,

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Speaker 1: plus various theories that we have for Doctor Strange in

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Speaker 1: the Multiverse of Madness and Miss Marvel that we think

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Speaker 2: Hello.

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Speaker 1: My name is Jason Concepcion and welcome to x ray Vision,

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Speaker 1: the Crooked Podcast where we dive deep did did deep

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Speaker 1: into your favorite shows, movies, comics and pop culture. In

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Speaker 1: today's episode, on the previously on, we will cover the

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Speaker 1: newest trailers for Miss Marvel plus Doctor Strange and the

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Speaker 1: Multiversive Madness and that little extra footage and some new

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Speaker 1: trailer action there, and we will recap Moonnight episode two

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Speaker 1: some in the suit In the airlock, we will dive

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Speaker 1: deep into a twenty four's newest sci fi Raleigh, Everything

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Speaker 1: Everywhere All at Once, which is really fun, super fun movie.

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Speaker 1: We will discuss that movie with the Daniels as they

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Speaker 1: are known, that is the writer director duo Daniel Kwan

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Speaker 1: and Daniel Schinert who created and directed Everything Everywhere, All

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Speaker 1: about the creative partnership between Jeff Lamier and Andrea Sornentino,

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Speaker 1: and in the endgame, Rosie and I will recommend some

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Speaker 1: Hong Kong movies for folks to see before or after

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Speaker 1: or whenever they see. Everything everywhere all at once. Joining

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Speaker 1: the best, the writer, the comics historian, the comics creator.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about the only, the number one Rosie Knight. Rosie,

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Speaker 1: how are you so nice to be here?

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Speaker 3: How are you doing?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing good? How are things?

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Speaker 1: What's going on?

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Speaker 2: How are you?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm alive. You know I'm doing. It's lots of

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Speaker 3: model things happen in so we say so much, you know,

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Speaker 3: the huge but yeah, excited to dig into all this stuff,

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Speaker 3: especially everything everywhere all at once, because it's so.

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Speaker 1: Fun, so so so good. Let's get into the news.

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Speaker 1: First up, news and recap. Okay, first up, some news

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Speaker 1: that we can file under unfortunate Warner Brothers is hitting

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Speaker 1: pause on all Ezra Miller related projects.

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Speaker 2: This is a story that appeared.

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Speaker 1: In Rolling Stone, and it's a little bit amorphous in

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Speaker 1: terms of like what exactly is getting paused, but we

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Speaker 1: can we can guess that the Flash movie will be paused.

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Speaker 1: According to Rolling Stone on March thirty eighth, Warner Brothers

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Speaker 1: and DC execs held an impromptu meeting to discuss Ezra's

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Speaker 1: for disorderly conduct and harassment and why. According to a

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Speaker 1: that pause button on any future projects involving Miller, including

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Speaker 1: possible appearances in the extended DC Cinematic universe. The studio

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Speaker 1: any hard to viisions about a potential sequel to The Flash.

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Speaker 1: Warner Brothers has avoided making any key decisions on tent

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Speaker 1: poles ahead of Discovery taking control of WarnerMedia in a

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Speaker 1: forty three billion dollar Mega Mega Mega Mega mega Mega merger.

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Speaker 2: This is unfortunate.

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Speaker 1: I hope that Ezra is doing okay, and I hope

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Speaker 1: because it appears that that may be the case. And

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Speaker 1: certainly Rosie like, it wouldn't be too hard should w

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Speaker 1: B want to do this if they were just like, oh,

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Speaker 3: hope Ezra's getting the help they need. This is something

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Speaker 3: Yeah, behavior that made people worried for Ezra, yes, but

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Speaker 1: what they have done. We continue to believe that the

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Speaker 1: powers that Kamala is displaying are due to the quantum bands, right,

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Speaker 3: I definitely think so. They kind of they really highlight

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Speaker 1: There is, of course, I think the identities of the

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Speaker 3: They could be like scrolls, we're getting into that territory.

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Speaker 1: We are getting into that territory. We should add what

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Speaker 1: that is a reference to. So this character, Kamal Cohn

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Speaker 1: And ms Cohn was one of them. So that's what

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Speaker 1: Now, I wonder are they the Mega bands or the

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Speaker 1: Let me make you a great pitch. Okay, check out

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Speaker 1: countries around the globe. They've found peace here in London.

437
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 1: It's all because of what I am offering. And I'm

438
00:22:58,880 --> 00:22:59,439
Speaker 1: here to tell.

439
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,240
Speaker 3: You, Stephen, con to kill some people.

440
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 1: You just got to kill some people because Kanchu he's

441
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,919
Speaker 1: a bad guy. He's a manipulator. He prays on people

442
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 1: with a strong moral compass, and he like sways them

443
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,679
Speaker 1: God's have no respect for conjury. They have banished him.

444
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 1: In fact, they don't like him. Harrow in fact tells Stephen,

445
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,160
Speaker 1: I was the previous Moonnight. I know what I'm talking about.

446
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 1: I used to work for this guy, and in order

447
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,399
Speaker 1: to truly bring justice to the wrong doers of the world,

448
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 1: here's what I'm gonna do. Like, if you care about

449
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,439
Speaker 1: bringing justice to the wrong doers, as Kanchu wants, here's

450
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 1: my version of that. We resurrect amit Ahmet will tear

451
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,360
Speaker 1: up evil root, branch and stem around the world. And

452
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 1: then Stephen is like, uh, she's a crocodile, God, isn't

453
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,399
Speaker 1: she is? This like sounds a lot like mass murder

454
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 1: and genocide stuff, right, And Harow's.

455
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:46,399
Speaker 2: Like don't worry about it.

456
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 1: Just give me the scab so I can find omit

457
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 1: and kill everyone who has ever had an evil thought.

458
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:57,119
Speaker 1: Now at the word scaab, Harrow's people all turn their

459
00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:01,119
Speaker 1: attention to Stephen and Harrow. Arthur wants everyone to be

460
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:05,439
Speaker 1: judged by Ahmit like and again it's it's clearly gonna

461
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,160
Speaker 1: be like a mass murdery thing. And he says, listen,

462
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 1: whatever deal that Mark and you Stephen have with Kanschu,

463
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 1: Kanshu is lying about it. He always has some other

464
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 1: thing that he wants and which as we go through

465
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 1: this episode, it's clear that Kanshu also like whatever's going

466
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,680
Speaker 1: on with Arthur Harrow clearly a bad guy and clearly

467
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 1: is like his philosophy is like mass murder for people

468
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:29,199
Speaker 1: who think bad thoughts. Yeah, that said, Kanshu also like

469
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 1: very dicey, very good, I.

470
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 3: Mean, and that's definitely like part of the Moonlight mythos

471
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 3: is this idea of like, well, Kanchu kind of took

472
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:42,159
Speaker 3: this guy by force. There's not like a consensual like situation.

473
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 3: He took. He takes these avatars and he makes them

474
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:47,680
Speaker 3: do the things that he wants them to do. And

475
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 3: he tried and like, you know, how often do we

476
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 3: hear him say stuff like bridges, windpipe Ybram's amazing, do it?

477
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 3: Dulcit tones?

478
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:56,679
Speaker 1: You know?

479
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,959
Speaker 3: So, yeah, it's a there's a lot everyone's everyone's struggle

480
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:01,120
Speaker 3: with that Egyptian god.

481
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,160
Speaker 1: Steven is like, no, I don't want to do that.

482
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 1: That sounds like very That sounds like a sprinkling of

483
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 1: genocide to me. I'm not sure. Harrow then threatens Mark

484
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 1: with his cane, which he says is imbued with the

485
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 1: power of Emmett. And I need to ask this because

486
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:21,400
Speaker 1: as I was watching again this morning, so Harrow has

487
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: embedded some kind of glowing thing in his cane, and

488
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 1: he takes the cane, kneels before it in incants some

489
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 1: sort of saying, and then everything glows purple and a

490
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 1: big portal opens and then a monster dog comes out.

491
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 1: But I have to ask. We've talked a lot about

492
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 1: this being like an alternate version of them, of the

493
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,360
Speaker 1: standard MCU multiverse, and that like there are different it's

494
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,439
Speaker 1: possible that there are different multiversal versions of this person

495
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:54,400
Speaker 1: who is Mark Spector slash Stephen Grant and others who

496
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 1: are collapsing onto this one body. What I see like

497
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: purple and I think infinity Gem power stone. Is it

498
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 1: possible that this is like a variant universe powerstone.

499
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 3: I always think about that kind of stuff. We know

500
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:14,479
Speaker 3: that the Tva in Loki, we saw multiple powers gems

501
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 3: that were just in the draw, you know, and they

502
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 3: were useless. They were basically paper weights because they weren't

503
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 3: in the right universe. Their universes had been prune. Also,

504
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 3: I feel like it wouldn't be hard to if this

505
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 3: is in the main MCU, you know. I think some

506
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 3: people sported like a GRC bus sign, which still wouldn't

507
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 3: mean that necessarily has to be the same MCU, because

508
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 3: I'm sure the blip happened in multiple places, But it

509
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 3: could also just be like a chip of the powerstone.

510
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 3: The infinity Gems consistently find a way to come back

511
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,919
Speaker 3: and be resurrected. Yes, and there is a chance that

512
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,239
Speaker 3: the version of the stones that Thanos hunted down were

513
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 3: not the original ones. I mean, if somebody was going

514
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 3: to have them, it would make a lot of sense there.

515
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 3: It was a deity thousands of years ago, you know,

516
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 3: especially one from a culture that deeply understood the cosmos

517
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 3: and the stars, and they know what they're doing. It's

518
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 3: like they know what frog when they do a shiny

519
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 3: purple thing.

520
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 1: The way it's in his cane, it's very reminiscent of

521
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 1: like the way Ronan the accuser like put the powerstone

522
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: into his whatever you mace or whatever.

523
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 2: Who knows, but it made me think of that.

524
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's interesting as well because, like in

525
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 3: the MCU, something that we're seeing a lot from the

526
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 3: very earliest days because of the gems, but something that's

527
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 3: continued is this idea of artifacts. And I think that

528
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 3: the idea of it being more of a physical component

529
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 3: in the cane rather than just like there's some magic,

530
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 3: it seems to go along a lot more with what

531
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 3: they're doing. You know, even Doctor Strange, we've seen that

532
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 3: Chiwatel as Baron Mordo. He's going to have, you know,

533
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,239
Speaker 3: a sword that looks like it lights up. There's all

534
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 3: different kinds of artifacts. We got the ebony blade in Eternals,

535
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 3: so artifacts are going to be a big part of this,

536
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 3: and also as well con like Harrow was the original avatar,

537
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 3: or he says he was the original avatar of Konshu,

538
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 3: so he is someone who would probably have had access

539
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 3: to multiple artifacts, not just this first scarab, which is

540
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 3: kind of the mcguffin of this series.

541
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: Speaking of the scab, guess who has it. It's Layla,

542
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: And here's Layla. Just as Harrow is interrogating Stephen to

543
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: try and figure out where the scarab is, Layla is like, Steven,

544
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: you gotta summon the suit, and a big fight breaks out.

545
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: Harrow casts a spell, summons the demon dog. Stephen falls

546
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: out of window, and as he's falling, he manages to

547
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: summon a suit, but a suit, thus saving his life.

548
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: And it's the Mister Knight version of the Moon Night Suit,

549
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: which is like a kind of white three piece suit

550
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: with a very form fitting mask, not the og Conshu number.

551
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 1: Mark's reflection that is talking to Stephen is just as

552
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 1: confused as Stephen is Stephen in the monster dog fight.

553
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: But this is all invisible to Layland everyone else. Only

554
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: Stephen can really see the dog that he is fighting.

555
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: Steven gets hit by a car and Mark takes control

556
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: marked on the classic Moon Night suit, beats the absolute

557
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: fucking breaks off this dog and pails it on a

558
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: spire marked in d suits and is like checking his

559
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: pockets like, but that Scarab's gone, he dropped it. Harrow

560
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: finds it. It was in the possession of just some

561
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: random guy who Harrow quickly kills. Stephen then talks to

562
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: Mark from the reflection. He's like, this sucks being in

563
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: the reflection and not being like the main president control.

564
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 2: How will I be doing this?

565
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: And Mark is like for quite a while, actually, like

566
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: a long time. Stephen is like, can I go the

567
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: body back? And he tries to take the body back

568
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: by force. Mark does not relinquish it, he says, and

569
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: here he gets some important information.

570
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 2: Something has changed in.

571
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: The relationship they have. They used to be separated and

572
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: it used to be more balanced, but now whoever is

573
00:29:55,200 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: in control has more power and is more dominant than

574
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: once then once was the case. Stephen blames Mark for

575
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: everything bad, that everything ever happened in his life, and

576
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 1: Mark is like, listen, I'll get out of your hair.

577
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: Once I repay my debt to Kanchu, I will leave,

578
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: I will split and that's it. I just have to

579
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: pay the price to Kanchu whatever it is he needs.

580
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: And also like it just keep Leila out of this,

581
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: because Kanchu wants Leila as my replacement. Marks, I got

582
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: to ask so this waxing and waning of who the

583
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: most powerful is in the comics for a period of time,

584
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: Moonnight's strengths, like physical strength waxed and waned with the movie.

585
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,239
Speaker 1: He was most he was strongest when there was a

586
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: full moon. I'll be seeing some kind of version of

587
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: that now with this dynamic of like now whoever's in

588
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,959
Speaker 1: control is more powerful for reasons that we don't know.

589
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 3: I would be interested to see where they're going with it.

590
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 3: I think it kind of adds to that theory that

591
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 3: we had that we might not be seeing them necessarily

592
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 3: going with a so you know, represents solely a representation

593
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 3: of like dissociative identity disorder, because the idea that an

594
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 3: altar could leave and just has a choice to do that,

595
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 3: but it does it kind of really reminds me as well,

596
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 3: like I think you're really onto something with the waxing

597
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 3: and waning and kind of that strength. Also that would

598
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 3: tie into Werewolf at Night and those kind of horror connections.

599
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 3: This this connection of the moon maybe that's why he

600
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 3: has to find Jack Russell or whichever wear will foresee

601
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 3: to help him. But also it kind of reminds me

602
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 3: more well the version that Mark tells him about that

603
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 3: reminds me kind of those original like older Moonnight comics,

604
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 3: where they were more like personalities that he could put on.

605
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 2: Yes, he could disguises.

606
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were essentially like disguises. But because he could

607
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 3: define the personalities and he felt like each one was separate,

608
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 3: he was very believable. And that kind of sounds like

609
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 3: what they had and what they have now is more

610
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 3: of that sliding in and out of control that we've

611
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 3: seen in the newer comics. So I'm really interested to

612
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,959
Speaker 3: see where they go with it, especially because and I know,

613
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 3: like me and you have talked about this a lot,

614
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 3: not on the show, but like the choice to make

615
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 3: the Mister Knight suit a manifestation of the suit for

616
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 3: Stephen rather than its own unique personality is a huge

617
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 3: diversion from the comics, and that kind of that hints

618
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 3: at some really interesting stuff.

619
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 2: I agree.

620
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: Kanshu then appears as Mark and Stephen are hashing it out.

621
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: Kan Chu takes Mark to the woodshed rhetorically that is,

622
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: for you know, essentially changing whatever deal it was they had.

623
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: Don't forget, he says, I saved your life, and this

624
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: is hearkening back again to the comics origin of the

625
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: character in which Mark Spector dies. This is the this

626
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: is the original origin story when Mark Spector wounded dies

627
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: or is about to die under the statue of kan

628
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: Chu in this ancient Egyptian temple, and then Kanchu saves

629
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: his life in return for Mark becoming his avatar on Earth.

630
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: In that later has been read coned several times, but

631
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: that was the original. That was the original origin story,

632
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: and it seems like they're referencing that here a Con'try

633
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: then tells Mark, hey, Harrow has the scarab and listen,

634
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: we can go.

635
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:14,479
Speaker 2: We should go get it.

636
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: And but listen, if you don't want to go get

637
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: it and you don't want to be my avatar on Earth,

638
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: my moonnight, I've got a I've got a great potential

639
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: candidate after you named Leila. So guess where you're going.

640
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,959
Speaker 1: You're going to Egypt to stop Arthur Harrow from finding AMMTT.

641
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: And we're on to episode three. Any questions that you have,

642
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: any like lingering concerns, theorizing stuff, that stuff that you're

643
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: thinking about as you watch this.

644
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 3: I'm definitely very interested to see what happens with the

645
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 3: Mark Stephen how many other personas we're going to get

646
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 3: because this is the second episode and in the comics,

647
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 3: you know we have we haven't seen Jake Lockley yet.

648
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 3: Who's the other primary We know now mister Knight is

649
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 3: not going to be its own separate personality. We're in

650
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 3: the commic the declan Schaalvi like Warren ellis he was.

651
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 3: They were the ones who built on the character. The

652
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 3: original suit was drawn by Michael Lark, who gets stanked

653
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 3: in this episode. But Shallvi and his collaborator, I'll say

654
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:21,240
Speaker 3: they created that character as essentially like a professional face

655
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:25,280
Speaker 3: of Moonnight. So that was a different personality who could

656
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 3: interact with the cops, who could be kind of this

657
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 3: interloper between the different worlds that the Altars all inhabited.

658
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 3: So I think to kind of see it here is

659
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 3: like and I did think it was. I like to

660
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 3: see someone getting used to a superpower. That's like one

661
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 3: of my favorite things to watch. So it was nice

662
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:43,760
Speaker 3: to see Stephen kind of trying to find it out.

663
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 3: But that to me says they're really going to veer

664
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Speaker 3: off the path of what we're necessarily kind of expecting.

665
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 3: I really like Layla. I think that is great. She's

666
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 3: definitely my favorite thing about the show. So I'm really

667
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 3: excited to kind of see more where they're going with that.

668
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,399
Speaker 3: And I think this episode where we learned that she's

669
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 3: also an Egyptologist and adventurer and archaeologist, that leans into

670
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 3: what we were talking about from the last episode, which

671
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 3: was the idea of her maybe being a recontextualization or

672
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 3: the daughter of, or related to the one of the

673
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 3: few Marvel Egyptian characters called the Scarlet Scarab. So I'm

674
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 3: really excited to see if we get some kind of

675
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 3: ever like exploration of that.

676
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 2: Yeah. Same here.

677
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: I keep thinking like, okay, if this is indeed taking

678
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:33,280
Speaker 1: place in an alternate you know, Marvel reality, right, who

679
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 1: or what is the thing that gets pulled into the

680
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,919
Speaker 1: main six one six quote unquote MCU and I think

681
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 1: that it would be Leila if it's anybody, yes that way, right,

682
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: either is either is like Disney plus version of the

683
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: Scarlet Scaup or Disney plus version of like Moonnight. YEA

684
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: moves away on his other contractual obligations.

685
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:00,959
Speaker 3: Well, we know that he didn't sign the so called

686
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 3: Golden handcuffs allegedly according to I think it was a

687
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 3: Variety article, he signed just for this season, So that

688
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 3: means that whatever it sets up, you know, it will

689
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 3: be very interesting to see who makes it through to

690
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,919
Speaker 3: the Wye at MCU and what they do. I mean,

691
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,720
Speaker 3: if Conscio's already looking at Layla as his avatar, maybe

692
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 3: that's something that we see. Maybe she actually chooses to

693
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,439
Speaker 3: do that to save Mark and Stephen. You know, she's

694
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 3: definitely got big like ev from the Mummy energy, like

695
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 3: she is the real hero to this like himbo guy,

696
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 3: Yes and yeah, and also like Saul just added something.

697
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,720
Speaker 3: I think it's like, let's talk about the phone calls

698
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 3: to Stephen's mom, Like, is that Stephen's mom? Layla says here,

699
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 3: Layla's like, oh, you're talking to your mom again? So

700
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 3: the implication is Mark wasn't talking to her. I've always

701
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 3: been very interested, like who is he on the phone to?

702
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 3: Is it actually his mom? Is he calling one of

703
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 3: his other altars? Like is he calling? I think there's

704
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 3: something really interesting there. And oh, also I read a

705
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 3: lot of Moonnight comics over the weekend, surprising nobody, yes

706
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 3: and shock twist, Rosie read a comic, but there is

707
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 3: I think that this episode definitely leans into one of

708
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 3: our favorite theories, which is is the museum something that

709
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 3: was actually created Prospector Corp? Could Mark be behind it?

710
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 3: Could Stephen be behind it? Is his bumbling persona kind

711
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 3: of to trick people. Because we had Donner last week

712
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 3: and this week we get to know JB a little

713
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 3: bit more. Who is the security guard who sits behind

714
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 3: this huge screen of TVs that very much evokes the

715
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 3: man behind the screen. And in the Moonlight Mark Spector

716
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 3: comics from the nineties where Spectacorp is a large part,

717
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 3: there is a character called Junior Birdman who is known

718
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 3: as JB, who is a hacker, and that, alongside the

719
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 3: Donna thing, I feel like is very evocative. Even if

720
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 3: they're just doing another little thing with Hawkeye, I feel

721
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 3: like they want us to be having these conversations. They

722
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 3: know this is why fans find this stuff fun. And

723
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 3: I think the fact that as Stephen got closer to

724
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 3: learning the truth about Mark, he got fired from the museum,

725
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 3: I think that's really interesting, Like the museum wasn't useful anymore.

726
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,720
Speaker 3: So I think there's a lot of really interesting stuff

727
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 3: to kind of explore. Going into episode.

728
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Speaker 1: Three, well, we will be continuing to cover Moonnight Up next,

729
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: when we're back, a discussion of the wonderful film Everything Everywhere,

730
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: All at Once. All Right, we're stepping out of the

731
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 1: air lock and into the mind bending world of an

732
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: IRS building to discuss the eight twenty more Sibi action

733
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: comedy masterpiece that is Everything Everywhere, All at Once. It's

734
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: opening wide today this Friday, April eighth, And if you

735
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 1: like the movies and you want to have a good

736
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,919
Speaker 1: time at the movies, that is action packed and really

737
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: heartfelt and like up lifting to like not violent in

738
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: a way that's like, oh, this is like really entertaining,

739
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: but I feel bad, like watching fifty ahead shots in

740
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: a row. You will not feel that way about. This

741
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:14,760
Speaker 1: movie has an incredible cast, Michelle Yoh the absolute Legend,

742
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: Key Hou Kwon as Wayman Wang back in the game

743
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: again in front of the camera, Stephanie Sue as Joy,

744
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 1: James Hong the Legend James Hong, Jamie Curtis, and more.

745
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: Really fun movie. We'll keep it well, this is like

746
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: a spoiler conversation.

747
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 3: It's spoilery, but we're not gonna go like full recap. Yeah,

748
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna kind of talk about it.

749
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 2: So I just loved. I love this movie.

750
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: You know, for everyone complaining that like there are this

751
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 1: too many comic when movies everything's a Marvel movie or

752
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 1: DC tie in or something like that, I guess, you know,

753
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 1: people would still criticize this movie for you know, depending

754
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: heavily on the multiverse for its plot momentum. That said,

755
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: it is just like so original in the way it

756
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 1: deals with it and the imagery it uses. It is

757
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: so funny. And then like to have you know, an

758
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: all Asian cast as you were, you know, as you

759
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: were kind of like the crux of the movie and

760
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: their feelings about each other, their kind of disappointments with

761
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 1: each other, their miscommunications. It's three generations of a family.

762
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 1: It was just like felt really good to see. And

763
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: then the crowd that I saw with I saw it

764
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 1: here in La it was clear that somebody somebody worked

765
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: on the movie in my theater because like people started

766
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: cheering when the credits rolled, like randomly at a random place.

767
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,479
Speaker 2: So like, I love that. It was really really really

768
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 2: great energy. What did you think of the movie?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I absolutely loved it. Like I went

770
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 3: to go and see it with a big group of friends.

771
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 3: After we went to this amazing black kind of flea

772
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 3: market called black Market Flea. So it was just like

773
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 3: a very good day and that I saw it in

774
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 3: LA two and it was in a huge cinema. We

775
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 3: couldn't go to the Imax, but we saw it and

776
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 3: this the biggest scream we could see it that wasn't Imax,

777
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 3: and people were reacting like it was a Marvel movie

778
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 3: like it was. I couldn't have seen it with the

779
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 3: like things were happening and people were like, yeah, just

780
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 3: like screaming, and I was just like, this is so

781
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 3: incredible because on the surface, if you describe what this

782
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 3: movie is in a sentence, it's like Michelle Yoh is

783
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 3: a kind of late middle aged woman who runs a

784
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 3: laundromat and she's doing her taxes and Jamie Lee Curtis

785
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 3: is her irs lady, and she's evil, and it's kind

786
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 3: of this like dreary middle age where she's thinking like

787
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 3: what could I have done in my life? And she's

788
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 3: pulled into this crazy multiversal kind of war where she

789
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 3: has to use every version of herself to gain the

790
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 3: skills she needs to beat this mysterious bad guy Jobu Tabaki.

791
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 3: And it sounds so outrageous, but like I watched that

792
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:02,439
Speaker 3: movie and it felt like it the most accessible thing

793
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 3: in the world. I think it's that balance, Like you've

794
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:09,879
Speaker 3: talked about this idea of this intergenerational Asian storytelling. This

795
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 3: cost just full of absolute legends and it is this

796
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,399
Speaker 3: bonkers movie where there's fifty versions of Michelle Yo, which,

797
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 3: by the way, who didn't want that? That's like the

798
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 3: dream away. But it's also like this really intimate, niche

799
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 3: story about like intergenerational misunderstandings and cycles of like familial

800
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 3: emotional trauma. And KiHa Kwan is just like so incredible.

801
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like I kept thinking that it's like actually

802
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: criminal that this actor could not find work for as

803
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: long as he could not find work in front of

804
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: the camera.

805
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 2: He is so engaging.

806
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: He's just like has a lightness and a charm to

807
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 1: him that is all the more impressive for the fact

808
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 1: that he does some real, like impressive and authentic like

809
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 1: martial arts stuff work.

810
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 2: That is like and even high high level stuff.

811
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,720
Speaker 3: But this is like, that's the other thing about this movie,

812
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 3: which is why I think so far the screenings and

813
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 3: the limited release have been really successful, and I hope

814
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 3: the wide releases too, because I feel like this. People

815
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 3: say this stuff, but this is literally a movie that

816
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 3: has something for everyone.

817
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

818
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, feeling depressed, nihilistic, wishing the world would end. It's

819
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 3: for you feeling like you wish everyone was kinder to

820
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 3: each other. Also for you feeling like you just want

821
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 3: to see loads ofical action sequences that are completely outrageous

822
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 3: and some of the best big screen Hollywood action that

823
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,919
Speaker 3: we've seen in years. Also for you want to see

824
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,399
Speaker 3: it intergenerational family story. Also for you need more queer

825
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 3: people on your screen. Also for you like it. It's

826
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 3: got everything. And yeah, I mean those action sequences are

827
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 3: just the choreography is unreal. It's like Hong Kong cinema.

828
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 3: It makes you feel like you're watching, you know, a

829
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 3: Shaw Brothers movie late night on the TV, but you're

830
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 3: getting to see it beautifully big screen in this really

831
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 3: unbelievable sci fi context.

832
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 1: It does something that really hits me on an emotional level,

833
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 1: which is like, and I think the best stories do that,

834
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: which is take some wild you know, sci fi slash

835
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: fantasy esque concept a multiverse, right, a multiple realities existing

836
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: side by side, but like links it to something that

837
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: is like really human, which is like regret about the

838
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 1: way your life turned out. You know who doesn't who

839
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 1: hasn't at a certain point in time, been like, man,

840
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 1: if I had done this.

841
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 2: If I had done that.

842
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 1: I wanted all these things for myself when I was younger,

843
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,280
Speaker 1: earlier on, but then I made a bunch of decisions

844
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 1: if that were maybe foolhardy or not particularly thought out,

845
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: or I was thinking emotionally with my heart when I

846
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: should have been thinking with my brain. And now here

847
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,399
Speaker 1: I am in middle age, and I'm doing a thing

848
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 1: that I don't want to do that it doesn't fulfill me,

849
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: like emotionally, and I am in a relationship that maybe

850
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: is not the most fulfilling, and I don't have a

851
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 1: great relationship with my kids, and maybe I wish I

852
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: had done a bunch of things different And this movie

853
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: just on top of or underneath rather being like this

854
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 1: kind of rollicking sci fi multiversal adventure, it's really a

855
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 1: story about like how people can feel boxed in by

856
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: the life that they have led, and how you know,

857
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: a core experience, existential experience of just being a person

858
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: is wondering, man, what if I had done things differently?

859
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: And this movie lets the characters access all these different

860
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: lives that they could have led. You know, like when

861
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: when Evelyn manages to access the dimension in which she

862
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: is a movie star, an international which was her dream, right,

863
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 1: she comes to this place where she's like, man, I

864
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: guess I shouldn't have run away with with my husband Wyman,

865
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Speaker 1: who I loved at one point in time, but like,

866
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: maybe that wasn't for the best. Maybe I should sort

867
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: of chased my dream and I could I could have

868
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: been an international movie start like that, I want to

869
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 1: stay there. Maybe I want to stay there? Uh, And

870
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: that just felt like universal to me. Yeah, that's a

871
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,919
Speaker 1: universal dream, a universal fantasy that people have.

872
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 3: There's something like incredibly honest and vulnerable about it too,

873
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 3: where it's like admitting that there's maybe something you want

874
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,879
Speaker 3: that's more and then kind of the realizations of what

875
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 3: that really means, like the bit that really like I

876
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 3: just I mean, there's so many good bits in that world,

877
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 3: Like we were talking about this, but like Wymand in

878
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 3: that world when she accidentally bumps into him, it's very

879
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,919
Speaker 3: much his one car why in the mood for love

880
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 3: kind of moment and k is so brilliant and you

881
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 3: just think like why isn't aren't these roles he's been

882
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 3: getting anyway? But in that world, the first thing Everlyn

883
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 3: asks is, you know, where's Joy? Where's my daughter? But

884
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 3: she doesn't exist in that world. And it's those little

885
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 3: moments where it's just like ah, like these are the things,

886
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 3: the pieces that come together, the butterfly effect, you know,

887
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 3: chaos theory, it's the little things that could change everything.

888
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 3: And something else I love in the terms of that

889
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 3: in this movie that I love in every movie. It's

890
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 3: one of my favorite things in any movie from any era,

891
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 3: is like the way that they show technology and they

892
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 3: have so much fun with this kind of retro futuristic technology.

893
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 2: I love that it's so great.

894
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 3: And the visuals are fun. And also like I love

895
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 3: the way that they literally do the chaos theory butterfly

896
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 3: effect thing, where like you'll see the one decision and

897
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,439
Speaker 3: then you get to see this kind of mapped out

898
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 3: how everything changed, and I'm just like, well, it's like

899
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,399
Speaker 3: it's a really cool visual but it's really deep. It's

900
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 3: really scary.

901
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 1: The one hand, that kind of like retro future hardware,

902
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 1: like the different kind of like verse jumping hardware that

903
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: Wayman and the alpha verse wear is to like in

904
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,240
Speaker 1: his crew where to keep track of what's going on.

905
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,399
Speaker 2: On the one hand, like I.

906
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: Remember thinking it's great design, but also like it must

907
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: have been great because like this is cheaper than like

908
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 1: CG or making it cool. But the other thing I

909
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,240
Speaker 1: was thinking, did you ever watch The Adventures of Bukaroo Banzai.

910
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 2: Of course it felt like that.

911
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 1: It felt like a super weird like retro future teake

912
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: on a sci fi movie. That felt like, alongside all

913
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:23,879
Speaker 1: the different references, the Jackie Chan references, the Shaw Brothers references,

914
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: the very Wangkhar why references they're in this movie, it

915
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: also felt like it was pulling on that what I

916
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: think is actually like a super weird not that good

917
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 1: kind of bad side from the eighties, but that is

918
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: so unique in the way it looks, and that's what

919
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: it reminded me of the Buckero Bonzi.

920
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:46,919
Speaker 3: There's like so many unbelievable kind of like draw things here,

921
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 3: Like there's this old South Korean movie from like two

922
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 3: thousand and three called Save the Green Planet, and there's

923
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 3: like something to that of the way his head looks,

924
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,919
Speaker 3: and there's like definitely those old eighties sci fi kind

925
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 3: of the almost like the serialize like Flash Gordon costumes

926
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,280
Speaker 3: that you just pull on and you have to build,

927
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 3: you know, the rob Life held many pockets, Like there's

928
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 3: a lot of pockets in those universes, and like there's

929
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 3: something so tangible. And I am a big proponent. I'm

930
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 3: always the person who's like, I wish this was practical.

931
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 3: You know, on the south By Southwest episode, I was like,

932
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 3: if I could change one thing about the MCU, I'm like,

933
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 3: fuck it, I'll just make it all practical. I'd love

934
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 3: to see what it would look like. But they do.

935
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 3: They utilize practical and the effects in this movie in

936
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 3: a way that feels very tangible and touchable and stylized,

937
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 3: but also really slick, like it doesn't feel that there's

938
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 3: something very special about that balance in this movie that

939
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 3: I think also comes from the nature of doing like

940
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 3: so many in camera stunts and so many unbelievable kind

941
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 3: of you have to have that balance of like what

942
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,720
Speaker 3: can we how can we use THEFX here to elevate

943
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 3: what we're doing while still making it feel real and

944
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 3: being able to feel those punches, And I mean the

945
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 3: waymen fight scene that.

946
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: Fani pack, it absolutely is gonna be you know I

947
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 1: always rate I always rate a movie and action movie

948
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 1: in part by uh am, I gonna rewatch this scene

949
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: at one am on YouTube randomly because it's like a

950
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 1: random Wednesday night and I want to take a break

951
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: from work. And the answer is one hundred percent. Yes,

952
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch that. I'm gonna watch that Fannybac scene.

953
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch the Evelyn fight scene with Deirdre. I'm

954
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 1: gonna There's gonna be a bunch of stuff that I

955
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: watch in this and I again, I can't stress enough,

956
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 1: like how frenetic and energetic the action scenes are. The

957
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 1: the Daniels came up through music video and like there's

958
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 1: a level of a d D nis mm hmm.

959
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:49,800
Speaker 3: It feels very much like it's looking into IDHD brain.

960
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:50,800
Speaker 2: One hundred percent.

961
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,800
Speaker 1: Like their most famous music video is the DJ Snake

962
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: Little John Classic turned down for what. So the action

963
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 1: scenes are in a lot of ways, like very reminnut,

964
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 1: like you know, like people being thrown through floors, and

965
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:11,359
Speaker 1: like so much action and comedy on the screen at

966
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 1: the same time, and incredible camera.

967
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 2: Moves just like really.

968
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:19,439
Speaker 1: Really really funny and original film in that way.

969
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think just shout out. I believe they're

970
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 3: called Marshall Club. There are a group of YouTubers who

971
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 3: create like martial arts kind of stump pieces in their

972
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 3: own houses, and that's who they Daniels found and brought

973
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 3: on to kind of collaborate with them. Just unbelievable stuff.

974
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:35,879
Speaker 3: When you watch it, you sort of you can't really

975
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 3: believe it. It definitely is that rewatchable factor. Like afterwards,

976
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 3: I was like, yes, this is like it's like the

977
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 3: scene in the raid where they get halfway up the

978
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,879
Speaker 3: building and Eco uways starts doing sill at and uses

979
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 3: his knife and takes out like ten people in the corridor.

980
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 3: It's the corridor scene from Old Boy. It's the John

981
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 3: Wick the first time that he shows his gun fu

982
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,439
Speaker 3: in the house when he's being invaded. The scenes where

983
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 3: you're just like, oh, have you seen this? And you

984
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 3: don't necessarily have to show the whole movie, but this

985
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 3: film is like absolutely full of them. But also it's

986
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:10,240
Speaker 3: like this really sweet. I mean, there's a whole segment

987
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 3: of this movie that is just two rocks. Not gonna

988
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 3: say anymore, but it is the most powerful part part.

989
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is like really really heartfelt and to your

990
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 1: point with the rock scene. There are for all the

991
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: people who are like, oh, man, like where's I'm worried

992
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: about the state of movies today with economics being so

993
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: kind of warped by the success of the Marvel movies.

994
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: Here is a movie that does everything you want like

995
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 1: a summer blockbuster to do, but also has like that

996
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: indie movie heart and audacious, super weird choices that are.

997
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 3: Like, there is so much weird stuff like.

998
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 1: The two the rock the rock scene where you're just like, man,

999
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 1: I can't believe that worked, and it really works.

1000
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 2: It lands so hard.

1001
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think as well, like we've talked a

1002
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 3: lot about the icons, but like, nobody was writing a

1003
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 3: script like this. Michelle Yo, you know, she said this

1004
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 3: is the script where she read it, and she was like,

1005
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,280
Speaker 3: this is the movie that can see all the different

1006
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 3: things I can be. I can be funny, I can

1007
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,280
Speaker 3: be serious, I can be badass, I can be sad,

1008
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 3: I can you know, and we know, like we've said,

1009
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 3: Key he hadn't been in a major Hollywood movie for

1010
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 3: like twenty years. This was his first audition I think

1011
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 3: that Daniel said for for twenty years. And then obviously

1012
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 3: James Hong who's like an icon and has over six

1013
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 3: hundred credits and is just absolutely one of my favorite

1014
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 3: actors of all time. But he gets to have this

1015
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 3: really dynamic, complex, hilarious, action packed character arc again that

1016
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 3: nobody is really writing for him, like probably his biggest

1017
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 3: role in a movie like this since like Big Trouble

1018
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 3: in Little China, where you're getting this really layered like

1019
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:53,919
Speaker 3: character piece and it's just that's like miraculous to see

1020
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 3: and that's not even shouting out like Jamie Lee Curtis,

1021
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 3: who just plays everything so straight, like you can't give

1022
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 3: them things she does in this movie and the sincerity

1023
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 3: with which she does them, like in my dream dreams,

1024
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,760
Speaker 3: Like this movie sweeps every Oscar and every Award season

1025
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,839
Speaker 3: next year, and Michelle Yo is one hundred percent there,

1026
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 3: just one of our greatest living Yeah, she should be

1027
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 3: getting a Best Actress Oscar and Jamie Lee Curtis, I'm

1028
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 3: like put her up for the Best Supporting Baby because

1029
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 3: she Stephanie Sue as well, But like this cast is

1030
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 3: just unreal.

1031
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:28,399
Speaker 1: Let me ask you, what was your Michelle Yo entry point?

1032
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 1: What was your original what was your original drugging to

1033
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 1: the Michelle Yo version and mine is like super it's

1034
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:43,800
Speaker 1: the obvious one super Cop please story three super Cop,

1035
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 1: in which she plays like a police detective who then

1036
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: has to link up with Jackie Chance's character to take

1037
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 1: down drug dealers in Malaysia, and it contains some of

1038
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 1: the craziest stunts. Michelle Yo jumps a dirt bike onto

1039
00:54:57,640 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 1: a moving train in this movie.

1040
00:54:59,480 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 4: Like.

1041
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: Just fucking insane, and then uh, you know, later on

1042
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:08,959
Speaker 1: I would watch all the rest, you know, Yeah, yes, madam.

1043
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 3: I was gonna say mine is definitely yes, madam.

1044
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 1: Yes, like that absolute classic Hong Kong movie with Well,

1045
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 1: it's so good Sin Rothrock iconic.

1046
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 3: It's like, it's so bonkers to think like Michelle Actually

1047
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 3: the really incredible interview recently with my friend Gretchen Smail

1048
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 3: at Bustle, which is just so wonderful and adds a

1049
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 3: lot of really complex layers to the movie, where she

1050
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 3: talks about how she retired from acting in Hong Kong

1051
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 3: cinema at the age of twenty eight with plans to

1052
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 3: start a family. So she'd already done all of that

1053
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 3: by the time she was twenty eight, she'd had a

1054
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 3: whole career. Yes, madam, you know super Cop like these

1055
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 3: unbelievable iconic movies. Just just put Yes Madam into YouTube,

1056
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 3: watched some of the scenes with Cynthia Rothrock and Michelle Yo.

1057
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 3: I mean, as a kid who grew up watching like

1058
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 3: Kung Fu movies, that was like a revelation. And then

1059
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 3: she came back and she has this second wave of

1060
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 3: like Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon.

1061
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:09,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know these.

1062
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 1: I mean, Yes Madam was like nineteen eighty five, eighty five,

1063
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.

1064
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 3: Just unbelievable stuff. And it's just she's been so iconic

1065
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 3: on so many levels, and I think for a lot

1066
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 3: of us, she has been like a staple of all

1067
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 3: kinds of cinema, whether it was like Hong Kong cinema,

1068
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:34,280
Speaker 3: whether it was the whether it was Wushoe actually coming

1069
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 3: to Hollywood for the first time with Crouching Tiger. You know,

1070
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 3: it's astonishing the impact she's had, and I feel like

1071
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 3: this is a celebration of that, but also probably just

1072
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:47,879
Speaker 3: marks like the third wave of her career where she'll

1073
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 3: just become even more powerful.

1074
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 1: Well, let's talk with the creators of this movie. The

1075
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 1: writer director Duo Knows the Daniels, Daniel Kwan, and Daniel Shiner.

1076
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Hive Mind, where we explore topic in

1077
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:14,439
Speaker 1: more detail with the help of expert guests, and say

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Speaker 1: we are thrilled to have Daniel Kwan and Daniel Shiner,

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Speaker 1: known collectively as the Daniels Writer directors of Everything Everywhere.

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Speaker 1: All at once, gentlemen, loved the movie. How how did it?

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Speaker 1: How did this come together? How did this film come together?

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Speaker 1: And I just like, I kept thinking, how.

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Speaker 2: What does the script look like?

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Speaker 1: Because this is so like, uh, the level of like

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Speaker 1: absurdist randomness action is so off the charts that I

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Speaker 1: was like, man, how do you even write this down?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Yeah, we by the way, thank you for

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Speaker 4: having us. Very excited to talk about the movie. Well,

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Speaker 4: I'll start there. The random acts to use as an

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Speaker 4: engine for traveling to other universes. That's that is kind

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Speaker 4: of one of the initial ideas. We both grew up

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Speaker 4: on Douglas Adams and Histchicker's Guide and Vonnegut and just

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Speaker 4: that sort of absurdist sci fi that that's great, But

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Speaker 4: there's such a irreverent quality to their sci fi that

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Speaker 4: is still very grounded in science, and like there's still

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Speaker 4: something like a like a kernel of truth in it all,

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Speaker 4: and you know that idea came. The idea of using

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Speaker 4: improbable actions to build up momentum, a probabilistic momentum, and

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Speaker 4: to slingshot yourself into other universes kind of was like

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Speaker 4: a really silly initial idea that I pitched to Shiner

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Speaker 4: and I was like, is there something here? Could we

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Speaker 4: do something kind of like like like Douglas Adams meets

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Speaker 4: the Matrix?

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Speaker 5: And I was like, no, No.

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Speaker 6: I said, I think I thought it sounded like an

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Speaker 6: exciting short film like which we have a long list

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Speaker 6: of kind of like gags you know that interest us,

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Speaker 6: and so we would brainstorm it, but it didn't kind

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Speaker 6: of take shape until we had sat with it for

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Speaker 6: a while and started kind of thinking about the multiverse

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Speaker 6: and how the multiverse makes us feel, and why would

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Speaker 6: we make a whole movie about, you know, that sci

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Speaker 6: fi premise.

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Speaker 5: I really love to.

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Speaker 6: Lean into the premise and not just brush over it

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Speaker 6: like some like that's a pet peep of mind. I

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Speaker 6: guess sometimes.

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Speaker 4: It's like a convenient device for the story, but you

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Speaker 4: don't actually get to really sit in the philosophical and

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Speaker 4: existential consequences of the premise.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So it wasn't until we decided that we were

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Speaker 6: going to go to too many universes, until it was

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Speaker 6: existentially terrifying, and that it was going to be a

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Speaker 6: Chinese American family and that the kind of immigrant experience

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Speaker 6: and also just generational divide would become like the kind

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Speaker 6: of relatable companion that we'd be using the multiverse to

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Speaker 6: play with.

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Speaker 5: That.

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Speaker 6: Then we were like, oh, there's enough for a feature

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Speaker 6: film here, you know, because is enough for a free

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Speaker 6: feature film?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, We're like, and all little take is four years

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Speaker 6: of Miracles and then we'll put it out in theaters.

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Speaker 5: And somehow that happened.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so incredible. I mean, the movie was just

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Speaker 3: so wonderful. It was like immediately in my favorite movies

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Speaker 3: of all time. It's just like I can't wait to

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Speaker 3: go and see it again. I'm just everything that I

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Speaker 3: love is so it's so wonderful. But you said something

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Speaker 3: there that I just think is so interesting and I'd

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Speaker 3: love to dig into a bit more. What is it

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Speaker 3: about the multiverse that spoke to you? What is it

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Speaker 3: about exploring that and that being the idea that was

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Speaker 3: worth exploring because, like you said, a lot of times,

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Speaker 3: it's a buzzword, it's a conventional narrative device. But what

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Speaker 3: was it about the multiverse and the idea of multiple

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Speaker 3: different universes kind of existing alongside each other that made

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Speaker 3: this story click.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: One of the fascinating things about the multiverse or just

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Speaker 4: the idea of finity is that it's it's very interdisciplinary.

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Speaker 4: You know, obviously there's like quantum mechanics, and quantum physics

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Speaker 4: has its version of it, which you know, talks about

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Speaker 4: you know, superpositions and and you know whether or not

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Speaker 4: the wave function collapses, and you know, parallel universes. That's

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Speaker 4: kind of I think that's what most people think of when.

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Speaker 6: They or another way of putting it that I like

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Speaker 6: to put it is like like there are a lot

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Speaker 6: of scientists who believe there might actually be an infinite

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Speaker 6: number of universes.

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Speaker 5: That's a pretty scary thing, you know, physics wise.

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Speaker 4: And then and then and then, like, you know, when

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Speaker 4: we were doing research for this movie, we found that

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Speaker 4: one of the first known instances of the word multiverse

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Speaker 4: being used in the English language actually had nothing to

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Speaker 4: do with science. It was actually a theologist who was

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Speaker 4: basically lamenting the fact that how confusing everything was. He

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Speaker 4: was like, from a moral perspective, I know that God

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Speaker 4: is the one and only moral center of the universe.

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Speaker 5: Right, there's a universe.

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Speaker 4: But when I look around me and I see you know,

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Speaker 4: the Heathens and whatever, it's like, there's a moral multiverse.

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Speaker 5: The the the.

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Speaker 4: Secular world doesn't doesn't necessarily have one clean narrative. And

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Speaker 4: so he used the word multiverse from a moral standpoint,

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Speaker 4: and I'm like, oh, that's fascinating, you know. And then

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Speaker 4: linguistics has its own Linguistics has modal realism, which is

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Speaker 4: kind of taking the idea of like when you are

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Speaker 4: swapping out any word in the sentence, how it drastically

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Speaker 4: changes the reality of that sentence, and basically like positives,

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Speaker 4: like what happens if each one of those sentences is

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Speaker 4: its own reality, that has its own integrity or whatever.

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Speaker 4: And so we're kind of looking at like, I mean,

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Speaker 4: there's so many different angles into this, this this concept

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Speaker 4: that no one else is tackling, you know, Like for

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Speaker 4: the most part, the multiverse is is kind of used

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Speaker 4: as a way to combine ip an interesting way. You know,

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Speaker 4: it's a cultural fracking, we call it. You're digging the

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Speaker 4: past of culture. We didn't coin that. We found it

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Speaker 4: online and you're like, oh, we like that word cultural fracking,

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Speaker 4: and there's nothing wrong with that. Like I think, yeah,

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Speaker 4: I love I love Super Smash Brothers. Super Smash Brothers

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Speaker 4: is like incredible. I remember being like I can have

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Speaker 4: Pikachu and DK at the same time. How incredible. But

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Speaker 4: we wanted to dig.

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Speaker 5: Into just like DK because you're exactly, I love it.

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Speaker 5: Pikachu is my main Pikachu with the with the wizard hat.

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Speaker 5: That's my name, Curve.

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Speaker 4: But so for our movie, we're like, oh, the multiverse

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Speaker 4: becomes a metaphor for the Internet and what it feels

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Speaker 4: like to be alive with the Internet. It also becomes

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Speaker 4: a metaphor for the way that we all have these

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Speaker 4: like bubbles, and we all kind of exist in our

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Speaker 4: own versions of our own movies. You know.

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Speaker 5: We we believe we're the main character of our own movie.

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Speaker 4: And what happens when those two movies collide and they

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Speaker 4: don't mesh, and so the whole film is characters who

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Speaker 4: are living in their own stories, not realizing that they're

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Speaker 4: talking past each other. And and so there's so many

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Speaker 4: different ways you can kind of use this premise to

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Speaker 4: explore really real feelings and really real experiences, and you know,

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Speaker 4: I feel like our movies just barely beginning to tap

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Speaker 4: into that.

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Speaker 1: The cast is unbelievable. Jamie Lee Curtis, Michelle Yoh, the

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Speaker 1: leged Michell You, which you know, not enough can possibly

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Speaker 1: be said about her, James Hong Icon.

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Speaker 2: Absolute like Titan legend in it.

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Speaker 1: And then k Hukwan, who probably most people remember from

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Speaker 1: A Temple of Doom which is Indian Jones movie that

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Speaker 1: is aged poorly and the Goonies. But like, man, seeing

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Speaker 1: him in this movie, I'm just like, why has he

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Speaker 1: not been one of our like top twenty most compelling

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Speaker 1: actors over the last twenty years. When you like when

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Speaker 1: you went to the movie Star Universe and he's in

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Speaker 1: the suit, I'm like, am I in a One Car

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Speaker 1: Wife film?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 2: What is it?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 1: I didn't even know he had this in him? To

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Speaker 1: talk about that, this incredible cast. That also one more

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Speaker 1: thing I thought about a lot last night. It's just

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Speaker 1: like how this is the best action movie ever that

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Speaker 1: is primarily said in an IRS office like that, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: talk to us about this cast.

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Speaker 5: Yeah for sure.

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Speaker 3: I Mean it.

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Speaker 6: Started with Michelle and we knew we wanted her, and

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Speaker 6: we were worried that if she said no, there was

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Speaker 6: no one else.

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Speaker 5: Like that, the movie just wouldn't happen.

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Speaker 6: And then luckily she believed in It turns out she

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Speaker 6: was more right for the role than we even knew,

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Speaker 6: you know, and she really responded to the script, and

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Speaker 6: then that made it so much easier to attract exciting.

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Speaker 5: People, you know, and to get the movie greenlit.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 4: Even with Key, you know, there was no there was

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Speaker 4: no question that, like there was something special about him,

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Speaker 4: and he even when he read the script he knew,

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Speaker 4: like right away, He's like, this role was made for me,

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Speaker 4: you know. He told us that. He told us that

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Speaker 4: after we cast him. How how the moment he read it,

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Speaker 4: he was like, I think I need to come back

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Speaker 4: into acting, and this is gonna be my first role

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Speaker 4: on how exciting is that gonna be? So he his

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Speaker 4: audition was the first audition he had done in like

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Speaker 4: a couple of decades.

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Speaker 6: In the Wow, yeah, so he hasn't been. He kind

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Speaker 6: of retired from acting and went behind the camera, went

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Speaker 6: to film school, did stunt coordination, and first he was

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Speaker 6: a first ad for One Car Why For.

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Speaker 5: A while, yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 4: And the funny thing about Key, you know, because you're

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Speaker 4: just talking about how we've been missing out on him

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Speaker 4: for so long, it is this is just kind of

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Speaker 4: tragic that this kid that Spielberg found and Spielberg and

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Speaker 4: his team found out of like, you know, thousands of

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Speaker 4: other kids they auditioned and auditioned forever, and they almost

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Speaker 4: gave up on the character. They almost wrote the character

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Speaker 4: out of the movie, and then they find Key, like

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Speaker 4: out of all these kids, and he has this special

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Speaker 4: like X factor. It's it's ame lame way to put it,

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Speaker 4: but he has things special that that you can't put

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Speaker 4: a number on. You can't, you can't like, yeah, there's

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Speaker 4: no way to evaluate it in that in any other

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Speaker 4: way except for when you watch him, you just want

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Speaker 4: to smile, and when you watch him, you just want

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Speaker 4: to fall in love with him. And we knew that

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Speaker 4: wayman to the character. Women had to be that way

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Speaker 4: because anyone else delivering lines about kindness or like, you know,

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Speaker 4: please stop fighting everyone, just let us get along, you know,

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Speaker 4: anyone else delivering those kind of lines, I think it

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Speaker 4: would have gotten a lot of eye rolls. But with

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Speaker 4: with Kei Kwan, like he can say those lines and

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Speaker 4: you believe it and you and you want to live

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Speaker 4: in a world where that is true. And I think

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Speaker 4: there's Yeah, we're so lucky that we got him in

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Speaker 4: this movie, and we're so lucky that I think our

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Speaker 4: industry has him back.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: I'm so exciting to see what you gets to do next.

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Speaker 3: For sure, And I would love to talk like he

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Speaker 3: was definitely I love him. I mean, I love Michelle Yo,

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Speaker 3: I love James Holng, I love Jamie Lee Kut. So

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Speaker 3: this was like a movie where everyone in it is

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Speaker 3: just incredible, but he is someone who's so core to

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Speaker 3: so many of our childhoods. But I never kind of

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Speaker 3: saw how I never saw where this his story was

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Speaker 3: going in the movie, and it was it was just

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Speaker 3: so powerful and wonderful, and you kind of touched on

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Speaker 3: it a little bit of his message of kindness. So

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Speaker 3: could you talk a little bit about that aspect, the

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Speaker 3: radical empathy and that being kind of the mainline message

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Speaker 3: and kind of understanding overarching that comes out of the movie.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I think at the start, as we kind

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01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:34,640
Speaker 6: of told you, it was just like we had this

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01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:36,920
Speaker 6: first jumping idea and we were like, oh, what if

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Speaker 6: we could do some stylized fight scenes.

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Speaker 5: We love action movies and like to.

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Speaker 6: Do our version of the matrix, but with like Stephen

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Speaker 6: chow craziness, you know, was so exciting. And then, as

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Speaker 6: is usually the case when we're like making something funny,

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01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:57,800
Speaker 6: we start to feel guilty about like but why why

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Speaker 6: what's it about? Are we gonna just culturally frack some

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Speaker 6: more people's time? And we started kind of thinking about

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Speaker 6: how we're not violent guys, and and and also like

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Speaker 6: I kind of I'm a pacifist in fact, and so

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Speaker 6: like there's this like subtext to action films, which is

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Speaker 6: violence is an is a good answer. And so we

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Speaker 6: just we hit our heads against the wall on that

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Speaker 6: a lot, and and it became kind of the project

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Speaker 6: of the movie, you know, to be like can we

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Speaker 6: can we explore that and lean into it and question

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01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:39,760
Speaker 6: it and and so this character took shape of like

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Speaker 6: the dismissible beta male who is not the alpha male

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Speaker 6: action star and unless he's being taken over for moments

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Speaker 6: by you know.

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Speaker 5: The more appropriately actioning version of himself.

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Speaker 6: But like, uh, once we kind of unlocked that, we

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01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:55,720
Speaker 6: got it was like a real aha moment for the

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01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:58,680
Speaker 6: whole script to be like, oh, this movie's gonna celebrate

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Speaker 6: that sweet person and and the fact that being kind

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01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:06,519
Speaker 6: is a way of fighting, Like that's the way of

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01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:11,760
Speaker 6: changing the world. That's just as valuable, if not more so.

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Speaker 6: And uh, I mean we.

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Speaker 4: Specifically wanted to be like, let's make someone kinding people

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Speaker 4: to death.

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Speaker 1: And.

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Speaker 6: That was that was the last puzzle pieces, like oh

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Speaker 6: my god, at the end, if she just kind, kind

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Speaker 6: kind people.

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Speaker 3: Like, everyone's happy. Everyone's happy exactly.

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01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 4: But it's like, what if we made that just as

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Speaker 4: satisfying as like kill Bill or just as satisfying as

1349
01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:40,559
Speaker 4: a headshot from from John Wick. Because I think those

1350
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 4: things give us such a dopamine hit, which is why

1351
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Speaker 4: they're so fun, and the way that they're shot.

1352
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:48,400
Speaker 5: And the way that but the editing works, it.

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01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:51,920
Speaker 4: Is candy, And so we wanted to take all of

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01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:54,960
Speaker 4: our special skills that we have in our back pockets

1355
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:58,160
Speaker 4: to give to deliver that dope wine hit, but like

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01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:01,960
Speaker 4: totally you know, show in a completely different radical way.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, we call that the empathy fight. It's very silly,

1358
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Speaker 5: but it was really.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that became like one of the north stars for

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Speaker 4: the films, Like if we can pull that off. I

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Speaker 4: think this is gonna be a very special movie.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, we really did.

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Speaker 1: And I'd love to ask about some of these action

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Speaker 1: scenes because I mean the Wushue Fannie pack fight is

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Speaker 1: one of the most truly, like one of the most

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Speaker 1: original fight scenes I've seen in a while. How did

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Speaker 1: all of that stuff come together and how hard was

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Speaker 1: it to get it to get it on film?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we struggled with finding the right collaborators for this.

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Speaker 5: We are such Hong Kong.

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Speaker 4: Action cinema nuts, like we grew up on that stuff,

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Speaker 4: all the Shaw Brothers stuff, and especially the Yun Wu

1373
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:47,800
Speaker 4: Ping's work.

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Speaker 5: You know, he's worked with all the greats, and this

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Speaker 5: guy Jackie Chan.

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Speaker 4: Is like, if you've done anything that we've heard, ye,

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Speaker 4: And you know, we really wanted to make a conscious

1378
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:02,479
Speaker 4: effort to pull away from a lot of the modern

1379
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:05,080
Speaker 4: action trends in the movies that we're watching and go

1380
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Speaker 4: back to the basics. A because we love that stuff,

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01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:11,519
Speaker 4: it's in our bones, but B because it's actually, if

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01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:13,360
Speaker 4: done right, it can be just as it can be

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Speaker 4: way cheaper to do, you know, because you know, those

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Speaker 4: Hong Kong action films didn't have much money and so

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Speaker 4: no money, are no money, basically no money, a lot

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Speaker 4: of time and like you know, maybe maybe a lot

1387
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:28,560
Speaker 4: of injuries, but you know, we realized like this is

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Speaker 4: something that we could do well if we found the

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Speaker 4: right people. And one day we were on YouTube and

1390
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:38,880
Speaker 4: we were looking up martial arts videos just for references,

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01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:41,080
Speaker 4: and we found this short film from these guys called

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Speaker 4: The Marshall Club, and we're like.

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Speaker 5: Are these guys?

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Speaker 4: Are these guys in the US, because like, these people

1395
01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:49,040
Speaker 4: are these guys are amazing. Not only are they so

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Speaker 4: like technically incredible, but their camera work is really smart,

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Speaker 4: and they also infuse humor in a lot of their fights,

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Speaker 4: which like most I think most modern action films try

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01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:01,839
Speaker 4: to do, but it's not really It's usually with quippie

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01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:05,640
Speaker 4: dialogue and not with visual visual, physical comedy, which is

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01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:08,720
Speaker 4: what we wanted our movie to have. And so we

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01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:11,479
Speaker 4: reached out to them. They're they're a bunch of friends

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01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:15,479
Speaker 4: from O C. And they just became instantly just like

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01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:18,160
Speaker 4: the the the people that we wanted to work with

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01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:21,439
Speaker 4: because they're reminded us of ourselves the way that they

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01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:23,880
Speaker 4: are just a bunch of friends shooting stuff in their

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Speaker 4: in their living room, and putting them online.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was that was.

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Speaker 5: Exactly the energy we needed for our film, for for

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01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:32,840
Speaker 5: this movie. Yeah. Yeah, So it ended up being a.

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Speaker 6: Huge priority for us, but like a successful collaboration between

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01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:41,160
Speaker 6: us having strong opinions and kind of being like, let's

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01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:44,800
Speaker 6: make each fight different and writing writing in a way

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01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:46,519
Speaker 6: that each one could could be an ode to a

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01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:50,439
Speaker 6: different kind of style of filmmaking that we love. And

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Speaker 6: then the Marshall Club bringing their like encyclopedic knowledge of

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01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:56,880
Speaker 6: all kung fu movies ever made.

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Speaker 4: And it's worth noting that one of them have, or

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01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:03,000
Speaker 4: at least the two brothers, the two main coreographers, never

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01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:03,960
Speaker 4: took any lessons.

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01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:08,799
Speaker 6: They have a friendly who's like he's like more formally trained,

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01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:10,800
Speaker 6: but but Andy and Bryan are just.

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01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:13,960
Speaker 5: Like they just know what has been in movies. They

1424
01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:14,879
Speaker 5: just watched movies.

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01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:17,680
Speaker 4: At the whole Hong Kong movies and that's everything they know.

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Speaker 6: It's yeah, so they so then they helped us pre

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Speaker 6: visit all and then we had our stunt coordinator, Tim Yulick,

1428
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 6: who we've worked with a lot, make it so we

1429
01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:34,000
Speaker 6: successfully hurt nobody, yeah yeah, And so we were able

1430
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:38,280
Speaker 6: to just kind of like move really fast. Michelle was

1431
01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 6: very surprised that we were able to shoot it all

1432
01:14:41,479 --> 01:14:45,240
Speaker 6: in the time we had and not do what it's

1433
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:47,599
Speaker 6: called spraying with some people called spraying it down, where

1434
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:50,720
Speaker 6: you're just like, get three cameras, now do the fight

1435
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:52,680
Speaker 6: that you guys are hurt. We'll figure it out in

1436
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:55,880
Speaker 6: post move on. You know, we tried really hard not

1437
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:56,280
Speaker 6: to do that.

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01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:59,520
Speaker 4: We had the opportunity to sit down with Quentin Tarantino

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01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:02,880
Speaker 4: like years ago, like six seven years ago at the

1440
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:05,040
Speaker 4: Sunday's Institute, at the Sunday's Lap He was one of

1441
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:07,640
Speaker 4: our advisors, and we took the opportunity just like to

1442
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:09,640
Speaker 4: pick his brain and be like, what was it like

1443
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:12,560
Speaker 4: shooting kill Bill's like fight sequences, because those are some

1444
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:16,400
Speaker 4: of my favorite American action scenes I've ever seen. And

1445
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:18,840
Speaker 4: you know, he said something that you know, kind of

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01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:21,960
Speaker 4: feels obvious now, but like at the time was really interesting.

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Speaker 5: He was talking about how Hollywood.

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01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:26,920
Speaker 4: Usually sprays it down, or they kind of kind of

1449
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:29,160
Speaker 4: try to cover it conventionally as if it was like

1450
01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 4: a dialogue scene when really shooting it, like it's like

1451
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:34,840
Speaker 4: it's a dance sequence, like its own it's its own

1452
01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:37,800
Speaker 4: version of a narrative of a visual narrative, and so

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01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:41,880
Speaker 4: he learned from Muping, who was a consulting choreographer on

1454
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:47,760
Speaker 4: Kill Bill, that every single shot was perfectly catered to

1455
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:49,760
Speaker 4: the move that they were about to shoot it and

1456
01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:52,559
Speaker 4: the next shot. So if like this punch to the face,

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01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:55,000
Speaker 4: let's get the perfect shot for that punch to the face.

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01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:57,880
Speaker 4: And then if the shot of him falling down has

1459
01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:00,120
Speaker 4: to kind of turn around one eighty and break the

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Speaker 4: one A line and.

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Speaker 5: Also force the entire crew to relight, then we're going

1462
01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:03,800
Speaker 5: to do that.

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01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:07,160
Speaker 4: So they shoot everything in order sequentially, just finding the

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01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:11,719
Speaker 4: best shot for each moment, which is incredibly time consuming,

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01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 4: but also it's why those fight scenes are so beautifully

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Speaker 4: done and so clear.

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Speaker 5: You know, there's a narrative clarity to them.

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Speaker 6: And so our a d and our phematographer were like,

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01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:28,600
Speaker 6: no way we can do that. We tried to like

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Speaker 6: take that ethos to heart and find some compromise somewhere

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Speaker 6: in there and not and yeah, and try to really

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Speaker 6: study that style.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you can tell our movie. I think the

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Speaker 4: fight scenes are. I'm very proud of them because they

1475
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:47,439
Speaker 4: feel so different and you know, after when when we

1476
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:50,080
Speaker 4: go to see it in the theaters after every fight

1477
01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:52,439
Speaker 4: scene there's like applause breaks, which is like, come on,

1478
01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:53,080
Speaker 4: that's how.

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Speaker 5: Amazing is that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what it's like. When in my pair was

1481
01:16:57,360 --> 01:17:00,879
Speaker 3: people were reacting to it just was it was wonderful

1482
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:03,320
Speaker 3: to be a part of cheering, you know during the

1483
01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:05,800
Speaker 3: fight scenes, especially the fanny pack fight scene that was

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01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:08,040
Speaker 3: like a big, big statement piece.

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Speaker 2: The butt plug prop work was.

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01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:14,840
Speaker 3: That was like being in the theater and like Captain

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Speaker 3: America picked up having.

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Speaker 5: No exactly what you're trying to go for.

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Speaker 3: It was just like, my god, that was really great.

1490
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Speaker 3: So like this kind of this, I love this juxtaposition

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Speaker 3: between you guys bringing this grassroots collaborative filmmaking, which is

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01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 3: what you do, and then this being like the first

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Speaker 3: a twenty four movie with like an Imax release and

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01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:45,240
Speaker 3: that kind of juxtaposition. But you also did that with

1495
01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:47,920
Speaker 3: the VFX, right, because like I was reading your thread

1496
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Speaker 3: about how you didn't go to like a big post

1497
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:53,800
Speaker 3: house and you just hired your friends. So could you

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01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:56,160
Speaker 3: talk a little bit about that, because the VFX in

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01:17:56,240 --> 01:17:59,600
Speaker 3: this movie and the way this movie looks just astonishing,

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Speaker 3: So could you talk about like that decision and why

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01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:05,000
Speaker 3: it was the right one because it's obvious to us,

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01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:06,280
Speaker 3: But why was it right for you guys?

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01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:10,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean the script we wrote, people read it

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01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:12,240
Speaker 6: and they were like, this is going to be like

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Speaker 6: a eighty million dollar movie. We're no, it's not, we promise,

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Speaker 6: And then we did in the rewriting process try to

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Speaker 6: like really lean into the tricks we were used to

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Speaker 6: and the tools we were used to playing with, and

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Speaker 6: and so, coming from music videos, like we have very

1510
01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:35,200
Speaker 6: basic the effects knowledge ourselves, and we leaned on that

1511
01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:36,760
Speaker 6: really heavily so that we could do a lot of

1512
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:39,040
Speaker 6: our own visual effects in our shorts and music videos,

1513
01:18:39,479 --> 01:18:42,720
Speaker 6: and so, like the vast majority of the movie is

1514
01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:45,880
Speaker 6: done practically, or we're just using visual effects for very

1515
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:50,559
Speaker 6: to make things safe or production friendly, where it's like, oh,

1516
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:52,760
Speaker 6: we can remove that light or that wire.

1517
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:56,679
Speaker 5: But we're not. There's no like characters that are computer generated,

1518
01:18:56,880 --> 01:18:58,799
Speaker 5: you know, for sometimes some practical effects.

1519
01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:01,080
Speaker 4: You know, people people I think people have like this

1520
01:19:01,240 --> 01:19:05,000
Speaker 4: nostalgic hard on for practical effects, but in practicality it's

1521
01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:06,599
Speaker 4: it's actually a pain in the ass.

1522
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:07,000
Speaker 1: You know.

1523
01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:08,640
Speaker 5: It's like the.

1524
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:11,240
Speaker 6: Setup time is such a pain, and like every time

1525
01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:13,519
Speaker 6: you break it, you have to reset, you know, it

1526
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:14,680
Speaker 6: takes like half an hour and.

1527
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:16,960
Speaker 4: It's never quite perfect, and so what we do is

1528
01:19:17,080 --> 01:19:20,680
Speaker 4: we take the imperfect take. You know, maybe we'll get

1529
01:19:20,680 --> 01:19:22,720
Speaker 4: two takes if we're lucky, and then lot of times

1530
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:25,120
Speaker 4: just one, just one, and then we just like spruce

1531
01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:26,880
Speaker 4: it up in post because we know how to, so

1532
01:19:27,080 --> 01:19:28,760
Speaker 4: like we get the best of both worlds, so it

1533
01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:31,519
Speaker 4: doesn't feel fully CG because I think audiences are aware

1534
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:32,840
Speaker 4: of it when when it's fully CG.

1535
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:34,960
Speaker 6: So we put tons of dust on them when they

1536
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:37,719
Speaker 6: hit each other because that's how like Kung Fum look.

1537
01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:40,800
Speaker 6: And then we added more dust in post because some

1538
01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:43,400
Speaker 6: of the hits weren't as dusty as we wanted it.

1539
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:46,360
Speaker 6: But we're always kind of mixing the two. But to

1540
01:19:46,479 --> 01:19:49,800
Speaker 6: kind of get to the end of the the headline,

1541
01:19:50,479 --> 01:19:54,000
Speaker 6: we had like seven friends do over five hundred visual effects,

1542
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:58,160
Speaker 6: like and there was no post house, and we didn't

1543
01:19:58,200 --> 01:19:59,760
Speaker 6: even think when we started that we were going to

1544
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:02,280
Speaker 6: be able to do all of it with our small team,

1545
01:20:03,080 --> 01:20:06,040
Speaker 6: but they kind of stepped their game up and we

1546
01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:07,839
Speaker 6: weren't sure they'd be able to do all the bagel

1547
01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:10,840
Speaker 6: or all the finale stuff. And some of our friends

1548
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:13,200
Speaker 6: were like, I want to learn some new stuff, and

1549
01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:14,720
Speaker 6: so they they did.

1550
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:18,760
Speaker 4: So our friends would be watching YouTube tutorials for this,

1551
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:21,400
Speaker 4: you know, this movie that we didn't actually know was

1552
01:20:21,439 --> 01:20:27,240
Speaker 4: going to be playing in Imax like that basically, but

1553
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:30,080
Speaker 4: I think it was something that we, you know, honed

1554
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:32,200
Speaker 4: in during our music video times. We did a music

1555
01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:36,400
Speaker 4: video for TENACIOUSD a long time ago, and we you know,

1556
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:39,519
Speaker 4: we had no time and very small budget, so we

1557
01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:42,080
Speaker 4: just brought in our friends who were other directors, and

1558
01:20:42,160 --> 01:20:44,400
Speaker 4: we all got in my bedroom and we lined up

1559
01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:46,560
Speaker 4: all of our computers and we just it kind of

1560
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:50,160
Speaker 4: felt like a land party. You know, everyone was just

1561
01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:53,120
Speaker 4: we're just passing after fixed projects back and forth, and

1562
01:20:53,479 --> 01:20:56,240
Speaker 4: you know, it was some of it was really frustrating

1563
01:20:56,320 --> 01:20:58,200
Speaker 4: because it was all new to us. But then, you know,

1564
01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:02,040
Speaker 4: the final shot of that of the Tenacious video is

1565
01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:07,160
Speaker 4: this really epic shot of the band floating in you know,

1566
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:11,240
Speaker 4: this cosmic you know, tapestry that's really beautiful. And what

1567
01:21:11,439 --> 01:21:14,719
Speaker 4: that final shot was was basically, you know, Ben Brewer,

1568
01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:18,320
Speaker 4: one of the other directors, created certain elements, and then

1569
01:21:18,479 --> 01:21:20,840
Speaker 4: Zach Stultz would create certain elements, and Jeff Deson was

1570
01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:23,479
Speaker 4: create certain elements and then it'd all get funneled to me,

1571
01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:26,920
Speaker 4: and I would kind of create the final you know,

1572
01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:30,200
Speaker 4: just because I'm so particular, just to save time on

1573
01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:31,760
Speaker 4: like all the back and forth in the notes, I

1574
01:21:32,160 --> 01:21:34,559
Speaker 4: would do the final pass and tie it all together.

1575
01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:37,880
Speaker 4: And I was like, why maybe we should just do

1576
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:39,800
Speaker 4: this for this movie. And so for a lot of

1577
01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:40,760
Speaker 4: the bagel shots.

1578
01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:43,760
Speaker 5: It was this very collaborative exploration.

1579
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:47,680
Speaker 4: Where they would keep sending me elements or I'd ask

1580
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:50,120
Speaker 4: for certain things, and then I'd try to stick it

1581
01:21:50,240 --> 01:21:53,559
Speaker 4: together and into like something that felt stupid and cosmic

1582
01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:56,519
Speaker 4: and beautiful sometime, and then I would pass it over

1583
01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:58,280
Speaker 4: to Ethan, who has like a really good eye for

1584
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:03,479
Speaker 4: like very old school techniques. Like he you know, he

1585
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:05,640
Speaker 4: was the kid in school because we all went to

1586
01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:09,200
Speaker 4: Emerson College. He was the kid in school who it's.

1587
01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:10,400
Speaker 2: The first place I dropped acid.

1588
01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:16,439
Speaker 4: Nice connect But he was doing like optical printing, like

1589
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:21,400
Speaker 4: practically with with like sixteen millimeters back in college when

1590
01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:23,599
Speaker 4: everyone else was already moved on to digital or whatever.

1591
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:26,639
Speaker 4: So like it was a really fun, weird, organic thing

1592
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:29,400
Speaker 4: and we are really proud of it. Like all all,

1593
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:32,880
Speaker 4: all of it feels unique to this movie. It doesn't

1594
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:35,320
Speaker 4: feel like we're trying to compete with the big blockbusters.

1595
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:38,719
Speaker 4: It has its own style and its own handmade ethos

1596
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:39,200
Speaker 4: to it.

1597
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:42,760
Speaker 6: And during COVID, we were all just like we were

1598
01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:45,879
Speaker 6: going were everyone was working more hours than we expected,

1599
01:22:48,160 --> 01:22:50,479
Speaker 6: but we were just giving money to our friends.

1600
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:55,040
Speaker 5: So it's pretty cool way the dream and we weren't

1601
01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:56,840
Speaker 5: going that far over budget. I was like, I guess

1602
01:22:56,880 --> 01:22:59,839
Speaker 5: we'll just send some money to our friends.

1603
01:23:00,840 --> 01:23:03,240
Speaker 6: It was it became like a valuable job for you know,

1604
01:23:03,320 --> 01:23:05,160
Speaker 6: all of them to be like, right, let's just let's

1605
01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:05,800
Speaker 6: just chug away.

1606
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:08,960
Speaker 4: And especially because all of these directors weren't booking jobs

1607
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:11,320
Speaker 4: because there there's nothing to do. It ended up being

1608
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:15,680
Speaker 4: a really beautiful, like weird, perfect project for all of us.

1609
01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:19,519
Speaker 1: You mentioned the four year journey to get this on

1610
01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:25,240
Speaker 1: the screen and the numerous miracles that were necessary to

1611
01:23:25,320 --> 01:23:30,120
Speaker 1: make it happen. Was there ever a moment where you're like, fuck,

1612
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:31,680
Speaker 1: we're just not going to make We're not going to

1613
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:32,280
Speaker 1: make this movie.

1614
01:23:33,320 --> 01:23:36,599
Speaker 4: A couple of lowest lows, Dan, I think that. I mean,

1615
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:39,920
Speaker 4: the biggest one was like, we haven't talked, we haven't

1616
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:41,960
Speaker 4: spoken too much about this, but you know, when we

1617
01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:46,799
Speaker 4: set out to make this movie. Asian American films hadn't

1618
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:52,240
Speaker 4: been like a proven, like viable business like model, I

1619
01:23:52,280 --> 01:23:54,320
Speaker 4: guess for lack of a better words, So we actually

1620
01:23:54,479 --> 01:23:57,000
Speaker 4: had a hard time figuring out the casting of it all.

1621
01:23:57,160 --> 01:23:59,800
Speaker 4: And at one point, you know, we had Awuafina a

1622
01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:02,040
Speaker 4: time and that was going to give us our green

1623
01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:03,960
Speaker 4: light because you know, she was one of the few

1624
01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:08,400
Speaker 4: Asian American actresses or actors in our whole industry that

1625
01:24:08,439 --> 01:24:09,880
Speaker 4: could probably green light something.

1626
01:24:10,479 --> 01:24:12,360
Speaker 5: And when some scheduling.

1627
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:15,040
Speaker 4: Conflicts came up, like the whole thing almost fell apart,

1628
01:24:15,160 --> 01:24:17,960
Speaker 4: which was really it was really scary, but also just

1629
01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:18,759
Speaker 4: really frustrating.

1630
01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:20,280
Speaker 5: It's kind of it's like they're.

1631
01:24:20,120 --> 01:24:22,320
Speaker 6: Also like there's a there are a lot of talented

1632
01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:25,679
Speaker 6: people out there, like a good movie guys.

1633
01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:29,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, And so that that that that was probably my

1634
01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:35,960
Speaker 4: lowest low just just realizing how as independent filmmakers, how

1635
01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:39,640
Speaker 4: tired we are to the value the imaginary value of

1636
01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:41,320
Speaker 4: these actors.

1637
01:24:42,200 --> 01:24:44,760
Speaker 5: And it's it's none of them is it's their fault.

1638
01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:46,439
Speaker 4: It's just the way that the machine works, in the

1639
01:24:46,479 --> 01:24:48,920
Speaker 4: way that the agents kind of talk to each other

1640
01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:50,800
Speaker 4: and and try to.

1641
01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:55,160
Speaker 5: You know, like we were always in.

1642
01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:58,400
Speaker 4: Like this bad position as independent filmmakers where we have

1643
01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:01,000
Speaker 4: very little leverage, you know, and it's very so that

1644
01:25:01,160 --> 01:25:06,120
Speaker 4: that is a very disempowering experience to try to get

1645
01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:09,280
Speaker 4: your money funded. Right now, we're we're executive producing another

1646
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:14,400
Speaker 4: movie and we're in that problem right now, and you know, even.

1647
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:16,960
Speaker 5: As executive producers, we don't know what to do. Sometimes

1648
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:17,360
Speaker 5: it's like this.

1649
01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:21,320
Speaker 4: The whole the whole conundrum of casting a list actors

1650
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:24,639
Speaker 4: for small indie movies is it's like, it's a really

1651
01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:27,680
Speaker 4: great model because then you know, these movies get to be.

1652
01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:28,400
Speaker 5: Seen by people.

1653
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:31,439
Speaker 4: But then it's also really frustrating because it's so fragile.

1654
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:33,800
Speaker 4: The whole thing can just fall apart any moment, and

1655
01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:38,160
Speaker 4: I mourn all the movies that basically died close to

1656
01:25:38,240 --> 01:25:41,720
Speaker 4: the finish line, you know, because of casting problems, which

1657
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:44,280
Speaker 4: I know so many of my friends have have gone

1658
01:25:44,320 --> 01:25:45,439
Speaker 4: through that problem process.

1659
01:25:46,080 --> 01:25:48,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, do you have a low point? No, it was fun.

1660
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:50,080
Speaker 5: The whole thing was fun.

1661
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:53,599
Speaker 2: It's just a blast. Yeah, finish.

1662
01:25:54,200 --> 01:25:54,400
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1663
01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:58,679
Speaker 6: We finished it last summer, and so we've been waiting

1664
01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:02,040
Speaker 6: until theaters were open because we, like everyone really believed

1665
01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:07,880
Speaker 6: it was worth seeing in theaters. But you know, so

1666
01:26:08,200 --> 01:26:10,840
Speaker 6: The last few surges of COVID were pretty demoralizing. It

1667
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:12,760
Speaker 6: was like Chris never, it's never coming out.

1668
01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:14,320
Speaker 5: It's never. I don't know.

1669
01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:21,519
Speaker 3: And what's it like after kind of those that journey,

1670
01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:23,400
Speaker 3: you know, the highs and the loads and everything. What's

1671
01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:26,240
Speaker 3: it like for the movie to come out? And it

1672
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:29,800
Speaker 3: hasn't even gone wide yet, But what's it been like

1673
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:31,880
Speaker 3: to come out and see this story that I'm sure

1674
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:35,600
Speaker 3: many people told you was like not universal enough or

1675
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:39,120
Speaker 3: was too ni and to have like every single person

1676
01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:41,880
Speaker 3: who see it go, oh my god, this is so relatable.

1677
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:44,240
Speaker 3: I love this movie. Like, what has it been like

1678
01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:46,240
Speaker 3: to get to see it on screen and see all

1679
01:26:46,240 --> 01:26:48,200
Speaker 3: the work that you and your friends put in and

1680
01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:51,360
Speaker 3: see this story be received by so many different kinds

1681
01:26:51,400 --> 01:26:54,479
Speaker 3: of people as something that really means something to them?

1682
01:26:55,360 --> 01:27:00,920
Speaker 5: Confusing? Yeah, I still don't believe it, genuinely don't.

1683
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:03,000
Speaker 6: Like I still like, well, like someone will be like, oh,

1684
01:27:03,080 --> 01:27:05,320
Speaker 6: it's got this score on rott Tomatoes, and like, I

1685
01:27:05,400 --> 01:27:06,360
Speaker 6: haven't internalized that.

1686
01:27:06,479 --> 01:27:08,799
Speaker 5: I don't think I believe. Yeah, I don't think I believe.

1687
01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:10,599
Speaker 4: It because so much for our work has built off

1688
01:27:10,680 --> 01:27:14,360
Speaker 4: the premise of like, no one's going to let us

1689
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:16,800
Speaker 4: make this like like, that's that's such a driving force

1690
01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:17,839
Speaker 4: behind our processes.

1691
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:19,760
Speaker 6: It's like the things we want to see out there

1692
01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:22,000
Speaker 6: that aren't getting made, or the things that interest us.

1693
01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:26,120
Speaker 6: But then we know we're biting off something unlikely or

1694
01:27:26,200 --> 01:27:29,200
Speaker 6: that might be niche, but that'll mean something to the

1695
01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:29,960
Speaker 6: people like us.

1696
01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:33,400
Speaker 4: So we thought this would reach you know, a bigger

1697
01:27:33,439 --> 01:27:36,320
Speaker 4: audience then, so sorry man, obviously, but even still, like

1698
01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:38,360
Speaker 4: we knew that there would this movie would be too

1699
01:27:38,439 --> 01:27:40,800
Speaker 4: much for people like that. We made this movie specifically

1700
01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:44,120
Speaker 4: knowing that we would push some people away because we

1701
01:27:44,240 --> 01:27:49,559
Speaker 4: were just you know, it's it's such a loud, long, overstuffed, wild,

1702
01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:54,040
Speaker 4: chaotic thing, which is very intentional, and you know, every

1703
01:27:54,160 --> 01:27:56,640
Speaker 4: decision we made, we're like, okay, if we keep the

1704
01:27:56,680 --> 01:27:57,439
Speaker 4: butt plugs in.

1705
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:02,320
Speaker 5: Percentage of our audience that we lose and how much

1706
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:04,519
Speaker 5: do you know it's but also how much stronger are

1707
01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:05,720
Speaker 5: the themes.

1708
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:09,559
Speaker 3: Hot dog fingers? What was the percentages on that one?

1709
01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:12,519
Speaker 4: Is like exactly, It's like and we're like, okay, but

1710
01:28:12,600 --> 01:28:15,240
Speaker 4: if we keep the hot dog fingers and how beautiful

1711
01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:18,640
Speaker 4: and romantic can we make that? How cathartic can that be?

1712
01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:21,360
Speaker 4: So again we can just win a couple more people,

1713
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:24,240
Speaker 4: and so the whole thing is a very calculated affair,

1714
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:25,559
Speaker 4: but our math was off.

1715
01:28:27,880 --> 01:28:29,960
Speaker 5: This is too much. Yeah, I don't believe it.

1716
01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:33,240
Speaker 4: I do hope that with the wide release things start

1717
01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:35,000
Speaker 4: to like, you know, even out a little bit poor.

1718
01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:38,080
Speaker 5: This will be a funny SoundBite after the movie flops.

1719
01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:43,000
Speaker 7: Exactly dot com bubble of a movie.

1720
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:45,760
Speaker 3: It will be the funniest SoundBite when it becomes like

1721
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:47,519
Speaker 3: the biggest movie of all time and then you to

1722
01:28:47,640 --> 01:28:51,320
Speaker 3: it just like crying, like why do people like is that?

1723
01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:55,639
Speaker 4: It's like the imposter syndrome in me is just fully

1724
01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:57,880
Speaker 4: on fire right now. I'm like, this is It is

1725
01:28:57,920 --> 01:29:01,799
Speaker 4: a horrible feeling, but also so on the grand scale,

1726
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:06,360
Speaker 4: it's a horrible horrible feeling. On the individual level, Yeah,

1727
01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:10,400
Speaker 4: I'm fine, I'm fine. But on the individual level, when

1728
01:29:10,479 --> 01:29:12,760
Speaker 4: we get chance to talk to people after Q and

1729
01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:16,559
Speaker 4: A's or have people dm us these very personal stories,

1730
01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:20,920
Speaker 4: it is just the most fulfilling, beautiful experience, Like the

1731
01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:24,120
Speaker 4: fact that we can work so hard on something that

1732
01:29:24,280 --> 01:29:27,360
Speaker 4: is very personal and very like specific to us, and

1733
01:29:27,680 --> 01:29:30,080
Speaker 4: to have so many different kinds of people from different

1734
01:29:30,120 --> 01:29:33,160
Speaker 4: walks of life just see themselves in it, and like,

1735
01:29:33,680 --> 01:29:36,200
Speaker 4: you know, we've been doing screens and Q and as

1736
01:29:36,280 --> 01:29:38,600
Speaker 4: almost every it feels like, almost every night for the

1737
01:29:38,640 --> 01:29:40,880
Speaker 4: past three weeks. Yeah, and you know, I would say

1738
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:45,280
Speaker 4: at least half of them, if not more, someone will

1739
01:29:45,320 --> 01:29:47,320
Speaker 4: come up to us and start crying on one of

1740
01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:51,439
Speaker 4: our shoulders. And it's just this very strange thing where

1741
01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:56,599
Speaker 4: we have created a space for people to fully express themselves,

1742
01:29:56,680 --> 01:29:58,320
Speaker 4: you know now that you know, because the movie kind

1743
01:29:58,360 --> 01:30:02,679
Speaker 4: of just destroys logic, raise any conventions and just really

1744
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:05,479
Speaker 4: just leaves you in this place of like possibility, or

1745
01:30:05,479 --> 01:30:09,599
Speaker 4: at least that's that's our attention. And some people take

1746
01:30:09,640 --> 01:30:12,920
Speaker 4: that as an invitation to fully express themselves to.

1747
01:30:13,120 --> 01:30:15,640
Speaker 5: Us, and and it's it is just.

1748
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:21,439
Speaker 4: It is humbling. It's a humbling reminder of the fact that,

1749
01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:24,040
Speaker 4: like our films matter. And I think a lot of

1750
01:30:24,080 --> 01:30:27,519
Speaker 4: people have forgotten that. You know, I even forgotten that,

1751
01:30:27,640 --> 01:30:30,360
Speaker 4: like I don't. I don't until like you know, three

1752
01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:32,560
Speaker 4: weeks ago, when the movie came out, I don't, I

1753
01:30:32,720 --> 01:30:34,920
Speaker 4: was starting to lose faith in the idea that movies

1754
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:37,680
Speaker 4: can change people's lives, you know, Like I've forgotten that,

1755
01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:39,600
Speaker 4: I've forgotten that That's what happened to me like I

1756
01:30:39,640 --> 01:30:41,479
Speaker 4: forgot that movies changed my life and that's why my

1757
01:30:41,560 --> 01:30:44,920
Speaker 4: bad became a filmmaker. And so to have this response

1758
01:30:45,360 --> 01:30:47,400
Speaker 4: remind me of the power of what we're doing is

1759
01:30:47,479 --> 01:30:50,400
Speaker 4: like really humbling and also just putting it puts a

1760
01:30:50,439 --> 01:30:52,679
Speaker 4: fire under my ass. And because like I'm realizing, shit,

1761
01:30:52,760 --> 01:30:55,120
Speaker 4: the next thing I do like I can't, I can't

1762
01:30:55,160 --> 01:30:57,640
Speaker 4: go easy. This is this is so important. It's too

1763
01:30:57,680 --> 01:31:01,680
Speaker 4: important for me to get lazy. In fact, there's so

1764
01:31:01,800 --> 01:31:03,519
Speaker 4: much more work to be done in the world. And

1765
01:31:03,800 --> 01:31:05,519
Speaker 4: you know, if this is the only tool I have

1766
01:31:06,680 --> 01:31:09,280
Speaker 4: to save the world, I want to use it, you know,

1767
01:31:09,439 --> 01:31:12,479
Speaker 4: and how how thrilling, how exciting and so like, you know,

1768
01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:14,759
Speaker 4: when our next movie comes out and it saves the world.

1769
01:31:15,160 --> 01:31:18,800
Speaker 3: You can this will be a great sound by exactly.

1770
01:31:18,600 --> 01:31:23,920
Speaker 5: Exactly Slash when Dan starts a cult, when.

1771
01:31:23,760 --> 01:31:26,240
Speaker 3: I started exactly the bagel cult.

1772
01:31:27,360 --> 01:31:31,640
Speaker 4: But part of, part of the the credit will go

1773
01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:34,200
Speaker 4: to all the wonderful people who have reached out to

1774
01:31:34,320 --> 01:31:36,599
Speaker 4: us and remind us of the fact that stories matter,

1775
01:31:36,840 --> 01:31:39,519
Speaker 4: or the matter exactly or the blame when when the

1776
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:42,080
Speaker 4: when the movie backfires and does the opposite somehow.

1777
01:31:43,360 --> 01:31:46,160
Speaker 5: The opposite. Yeah, it ends the world. That's actually what

1778
01:31:46,240 --> 01:31:49,080
Speaker 5: our next movie should be. Just suicide cult of a movie.

1779
01:31:49,240 --> 01:31:51,559
Speaker 4: No, it's about to directors trying to make a movie

1780
01:31:51,640 --> 01:31:53,559
Speaker 4: to save the world and accidentally they.

1781
01:31:54,640 --> 01:31:55,080
Speaker 5: End the world.

1782
01:31:55,160 --> 01:31:58,040
Speaker 4: In the world's good, right, you guys are to scoop

1783
01:31:58,240 --> 01:31:58,880
Speaker 4: scoop us on.

1784
01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:07,080
Speaker 1: Well, congratulations on really just a really super mind melty,

1785
01:32:08,600 --> 01:32:13,800
Speaker 1: heartfelt movie that it was a blast to watch. Congratulations

1786
01:32:13,840 --> 01:32:17,320
Speaker 1: on coming out. Congratulations on the accolades you all deserve it.

1787
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:21,439
Speaker 1: Here's hoping it's the biggest hit in the world very soon.

1788
01:32:21,720 --> 01:32:24,519
Speaker 2: And we just we loved it. So thanks for thank

1789
01:32:24,520 --> 01:32:25,000
Speaker 2: you so much.

1790
01:32:26,200 --> 01:32:28,799
Speaker 5: You such a great conversation.

1791
01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:30,960
Speaker 3: Thank you guys, Thank you, thank you so much for

1792
01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:31,599
Speaker 3: taking the time.

1793
01:32:31,680 --> 01:32:32,439
Speaker 5: Bye bye.

1794
01:32:33,120 --> 01:32:34,880
Speaker 1: Thanks to the Daniels for coming on the show. Up

1795
01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:45,840
Speaker 1: next nerd Out. In today's nerd Out, where you tell

1796
01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:47,840
Speaker 1: us what you love and why, Mike Pitches is on

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01:32:47,960 --> 01:32:53,160
Speaker 1: the creative partnership between comic creators Jeff Lamier and Andrea Sorrentino.

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01:32:53,479 --> 01:32:56,520
Speaker 7: Hey, Jason, I've got a little bit of an unusual

1799
01:32:56,720 --> 01:32:59,360
Speaker 7: nerd Out pitch for you today. I'm going to nerd

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01:32:59,439 --> 01:33:03,320
Speaker 7: out about a creative combo. I'm sure we've all got

1801
01:33:03,400 --> 01:33:06,479
Speaker 7: our favorite you know when just one writer gets with

1802
01:33:06,600 --> 01:33:09,240
Speaker 7: one artist and they just do something magic every time

1803
01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:12,400
Speaker 7: they get together. And my pitch today is Jeff Lemir

1804
01:33:12,479 --> 01:33:16,479
Speaker 7: and Andrea Sorrentino. They started together back in the new

1805
01:33:16,600 --> 01:33:20,679
Speaker 7: fifty two run of DC I think twenty eleven, twenty twelve,

1806
01:33:20,720 --> 01:33:24,800
Speaker 7: whenever that was. They did a weird stint Green Arrow

1807
01:33:25,280 --> 01:33:26,639
Speaker 7: seventeen to thirty four.

1808
01:33:26,760 --> 01:33:28,080
Speaker 2: Those only those issues.

1809
01:33:28,120 --> 01:33:29,760
Speaker 7: They didn't start the run, they didn't finish the run,

1810
01:33:30,400 --> 01:33:35,000
Speaker 7: but what they did together was some legendary Green era storytelling.

1811
01:33:35,080 --> 01:33:38,320
Speaker 7: Even if you're not a DC person, just go check

1812
01:33:38,360 --> 01:33:40,680
Speaker 7: that out. It was very cool run that they did.

1813
01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:47,320
Speaker 7: Sorrentino has this very distinct art style. Lemire always gets

1814
01:33:47,880 --> 01:33:52,440
Speaker 7: this great tension suspense while getting like inside the psychology

1815
01:33:52,439 --> 01:33:55,360
Speaker 7: of a character. It just got a gifted combo. Then

1816
01:33:55,800 --> 01:33:58,920
Speaker 7: twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen they tackle Old Man Logan together,

1817
01:33:59,040 --> 01:34:00,880
Speaker 7: and they didn't complete that run either. They did one

1818
01:34:00,920 --> 01:34:04,320
Speaker 7: through thirteen I think like sixteen to twenty three, and

1819
01:34:04,400 --> 01:34:07,120
Speaker 7: then the ren kept going without them. But then in

1820
01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:12,280
Speaker 7: twenty I think maybe seventeen or eighteen, they started Gideon

1821
01:34:12,439 --> 01:34:15,680
Speaker 7: Falls together, which is a complete horror series. And I'm

1822
01:34:15,720 --> 01:34:18,400
Speaker 7: not normally a horror reader, even though I'm a huge

1823
01:34:18,520 --> 01:34:23,040
Speaker 7: Limiar fan, but this horror series was really great. The

1824
01:34:23,160 --> 01:34:25,920
Speaker 7: first six issues, or the first trade as you would

1825
01:34:25,920 --> 01:34:30,000
Speaker 7: pick it up now, I thought, this is kind of interesting,

1826
01:34:30,479 --> 01:34:33,320
Speaker 7: You're not sure exactly what's going on, not really my genre.

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01:34:33,920 --> 01:34:36,760
Speaker 7: And by the time I got to like issue ten,

1828
01:34:37,160 --> 01:34:39,000
Speaker 7: you know, right towards the end of the second trade,

1829
01:34:39,560 --> 01:34:43,680
Speaker 7: I basically read the entire run in one sitting. It

1830
01:34:43,800 --> 01:34:46,560
Speaker 7: was so good, really enjoyed that. Then they moved to

1831
01:34:46,640 --> 01:34:49,879
Speaker 7: DC Black Label. They did some of those oversized magazine

1832
01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:53,599
Speaker 7: style books called Joker Killer Smile and Batman Smile Killer.

1833
01:34:54,200 --> 01:34:58,240
Speaker 7: They just recently or are about to finish Primordial, which

1834
01:34:58,400 --> 01:35:01,400
Speaker 7: is a six issue limited series cold war thriller. And

1835
01:35:01,680 --> 01:35:04,680
Speaker 7: the great thing about this nerd out pitch is that

1836
01:35:04,880 --> 01:35:08,040
Speaker 7: if you accept the advice of this nerd out and

1837
01:35:08,200 --> 01:35:11,800
Speaker 7: start getting into the lamiir Sorrentino combo, you can be

1838
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:14,759
Speaker 7: on the front end of Bone Orchard, their upcoming project

1839
01:35:15,120 --> 01:35:18,320
Speaker 7: that comes out well depends when this gets used on

1840
01:35:18,360 --> 01:35:21,640
Speaker 7: a podcast, but it's coming out that spring should be

1841
01:35:21,760 --> 01:35:24,960
Speaker 7: another great one these guys have not yet missed when

1842
01:35:25,040 --> 01:35:29,439
Speaker 7: pairing up together. I as just as my final thought

1843
01:35:29,520 --> 01:35:32,479
Speaker 7: on the nerd out. I am the Jeff Lamir fan

1844
01:35:32,640 --> 01:35:35,320
Speaker 7: at my comic shop, to the point where now when

1845
01:35:35,439 --> 01:35:37,400
Speaker 7: anything comes in, if it's a variant, if it's a

1846
01:35:37,439 --> 01:35:40,280
Speaker 7: one and twenty retailer thing, they set it aside and

1847
01:35:40,439 --> 01:35:42,280
Speaker 7: just give me a first rite of refusal. They come

1848
01:35:42,320 --> 01:35:44,840
Speaker 7: in and they say, hey, man, no pressure, but this

1849
01:35:45,040 --> 01:35:46,559
Speaker 7: came in. We know you're the Lamiir guy.

1850
01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:47,559
Speaker 5: Do you want this or.

1851
01:35:47,560 --> 01:35:48,519
Speaker 2: Should we put it on the rack?

1852
01:35:48,640 --> 01:35:52,880
Speaker 7: And I always take it because that's what makes local

1853
01:35:52,920 --> 01:35:56,519
Speaker 7: comic shops great. Jason, love the show, Thank you so

1854
01:35:56,640 --> 01:35:59,160
Speaker 7: much for doing it. My favorite episodes are when you

1855
01:35:59,240 --> 01:36:03,800
Speaker 7: guys just go through deep dives on comic recommendations, keep

1856
01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:07,400
Speaker 7: bringing in new voices, love to hear everybody's take on stuff,

1857
01:36:07,640 --> 01:36:11,920
Speaker 7: love finding weird books, and yeah, just keep building my

1858
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:12,960
Speaker 7: reading list. Thank you.

1859
01:36:13,560 --> 01:36:14,519
Speaker 2: Thanks for submitting Mike.

1860
01:36:14,560 --> 01:36:16,519
Speaker 1: If you want to be featured, send your nerd out

1861
01:36:16,560 --> 01:36:17,960
Speaker 1: pitch to x Ray at croockad dot com.

1862
01:36:18,240 --> 01:36:20,720
Speaker 2: Instructions are in the show notes. Up next we go

1863
01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:22,280
Speaker 2: into the endgame.

1864
01:36:31,720 --> 01:36:34,200
Speaker 1: We're in the endgame now, and today we are going

1865
01:36:34,280 --> 01:36:38,840
Speaker 1: to name our top three Hong Kong action movies or

1866
01:36:38,920 --> 01:36:42,439
Speaker 1: just movies that came out of Hong Kong. We may cheat,

1867
01:36:42,520 --> 01:36:45,559
Speaker 1: we may not cheat to involve movies that came from

1868
01:36:46,240 --> 01:36:51,160
Speaker 1: other locations in Asia and Southeast Asia, but that's the game.

1869
01:36:51,840 --> 01:36:54,479
Speaker 1: Our top three Hong Kong action movies, Rosie, do you

1870
01:36:54,520 --> 01:36:55,080
Speaker 1: want to go first?

1871
01:36:56,280 --> 01:36:59,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I'll go first. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. I'm

1872
01:36:59,240 --> 01:37:03,000
Speaker 3: gonna stop with a classic, mostly because I actually just

1873
01:37:03,120 --> 01:37:06,800
Speaker 3: saw it. Yeah, I do it recently, which is I

1874
01:37:06,920 --> 01:37:09,880
Speaker 3: went to the New BEV with my friends Elijah and

1875
01:37:10,200 --> 01:37:12,479
Speaker 3: Vanessa and it was so wonderful. And we saw Once

1876
01:37:12,560 --> 01:37:16,639
Speaker 3: Upon a Time in China, Oh yeah, with Jete as

1877
01:37:16,800 --> 01:37:22,360
Speaker 3: like a folkloric like he's like a hero, and Wang

1878
01:37:22,439 --> 01:37:24,840
Speaker 3: Fei Hung, who is this martial arts master, and we

1879
01:37:24,920 --> 01:37:26,840
Speaker 3: saw Once Upon Time in China one and two, and

1880
01:37:26,960 --> 01:37:29,719
Speaker 3: it was just like so wonderful to see that movie

1881
01:37:29,880 --> 01:37:33,799
Speaker 3: on thirty five mil. It's like this et historical epic.

1882
01:37:34,560 --> 01:37:39,120
Speaker 3: You know, Jetly's a baby and there's other baby dude,

1883
01:37:39,640 --> 01:37:42,240
Speaker 3: you get to see. I was like, I literally no joke.

1884
01:37:42,320 --> 01:37:45,439
Speaker 3: I like was screaming when you just see people popping

1885
01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:48,439
Speaker 3: up and you're like, oh hi, You're like, it's just

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01:37:48,560 --> 01:37:52,720
Speaker 3: like a master class. It's also incredibly funny, which a

1887
01:37:52,760 --> 01:37:54,280
Speaker 3: lot of the Hong Kong movies are, but this one

1888
01:37:54,320 --> 01:37:57,200
Speaker 3: has like this really serious historical kind of lens that

1889
01:37:57,320 --> 01:37:59,679
Speaker 3: it begins through, So when you get to those comedy moments,

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01:37:59,720 --> 01:38:01,640
Speaker 3: it's really so yeah, that would be that would be

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01:38:01,680 --> 01:38:02,320
Speaker 3: my number three.

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01:38:02,920 --> 01:38:04,360
Speaker 2: I'm gonna start my number three.

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01:38:04,520 --> 01:38:08,320
Speaker 1: Got this is like honestly so hard and just truly

1894
01:38:08,600 --> 01:38:13,040
Speaker 1: if you just say, like Jackie Chan, Jetty and John Wu.

1895
01:38:13,280 --> 01:38:17,920
Speaker 2: Like done too many people, you've already done it. But

1896
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:24,400
Speaker 2: so I'm gonna go with I'm gonna go with the gosh,

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01:38:25,640 --> 01:38:26,120
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go.

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01:38:26,120 --> 01:38:29,280
Speaker 1: With the nineteen eighty three Jackie Chan and sam O

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01:38:29,400 --> 01:38:38,080
Speaker 1: Hung collaboration with unbl also starring Project A, which is

1900
01:38:38,520 --> 01:38:44,680
Speaker 1: a period movie about early twentieth century Hong Kong and

1901
01:38:45,640 --> 01:38:49,760
Speaker 1: how this trio of police heroes has to deal with

1902
01:38:49,920 --> 01:38:52,479
Speaker 1: these like evil pirates and it's got truly some of

1903
01:38:52,520 --> 01:38:56,120
Speaker 1: the craziest. Like Project Day is the movie in which

1904
01:38:56,840 --> 01:39:01,560
Speaker 1: Jackie Chan references the famous herold Lloyd Stunt where he

1905
01:39:01,760 --> 01:39:04,360
Speaker 1: falls like off the clock tower Jackie Tann and this

1906
01:39:04,439 --> 01:39:06,639
Speaker 1: movie falls off a clock tower and onto his head

1907
01:39:07,000 --> 01:39:11,200
Speaker 1: and it is like filmed in meticulous SlowMo where you

1908
01:39:11,400 --> 01:39:15,000
Speaker 1: watch him fall like through awnings and then hit the

1909
01:39:15,120 --> 01:39:18,439
Speaker 1: ground and it is just crazy.

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01:39:18,720 --> 01:39:19,320
Speaker 2: It is crazy.

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Speaker 1: There's some like really fun bike bicycle, high drinks. It's

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01:39:23,600 --> 01:39:26,920
Speaker 1: just like a fantastic movie. And I love the period

1913
01:39:27,000 --> 01:39:30,200
Speaker 1: of Jackie's career when he was working with Samo and

1914
01:39:30,600 --> 01:39:33,839
Speaker 1: unbal closely and they were together doing all these movies.

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01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:36,120
Speaker 1: It's just like super fun, great movie. You can't go

1916
01:39:36,200 --> 01:39:38,880
Speaker 1: wrong if you rent it or watch it. Yeah, great

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01:39:38,920 --> 01:39:39,400
Speaker 1: great film.

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01:39:39,520 --> 01:39:42,559
Speaker 3: That movie is amazing. And also like those I think

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01:39:42,640 --> 01:39:45,080
Speaker 3: that's like I've watched a lot of documentaries about like

1920
01:39:45,200 --> 01:39:48,200
Speaker 3: Samo and Jackie and stuff, and if you were on

1921
01:39:48,240 --> 01:39:50,439
Speaker 3: a Samo movie, you were probably getting hot. And I

1922
01:39:50,479 --> 01:39:54,320
Speaker 3: think I'm gonna get that's why those movies, like when

1923
01:39:54,320 --> 01:39:56,439
Speaker 3: you watch him, you're just like, oh my god. And

1924
01:39:56,520 --> 01:39:58,320
Speaker 3: then everyone's like, yeah, I broke my neck.

1925
01:39:58,720 --> 01:40:02,760
Speaker 1: And there's a fight seen in The Pirate's Layer that

1926
01:40:03,320 --> 01:40:07,640
Speaker 1: is like The Pirates Layer has this long almost like

1927
01:40:08,240 --> 01:40:12,200
Speaker 1: a balcony staircase with like two staircases that like kind

1928
01:40:12,200 --> 01:40:14,040
Speaker 1: of go up and meet each other on a rise

1929
01:40:14,080 --> 01:40:16,000
Speaker 1: with like a tall balcony on the on the top,

1930
01:40:16,360 --> 01:40:19,200
Speaker 1: and those dude's getting kicked off of that, getting thrown

1931
01:40:19,240 --> 01:40:22,479
Speaker 1: off the balcony landing on the stairs like hard where you.

1932
01:40:22,520 --> 01:40:25,960
Speaker 2: Could see their land. It is it's pay it is pain,

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01:40:26,040 --> 01:40:26,400
Speaker 2: pain pain.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So my second one is like this. I love

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Speaker 3: Shaw Brothers movies, and I especially I especially love in

1936
01:40:34,960 --> 01:40:37,400
Speaker 3: like the eighties when they started getting like really they

1937
01:40:37,640 --> 01:40:40,200
Speaker 3: they moved a little bit away from like the the

1938
01:40:40,320 --> 01:40:45,040
Speaker 3: kind of more serious like Bruce Leie inspired, like historical stuff.

1939
01:40:45,240 --> 01:40:47,519
Speaker 3: And there's this movie that I caught one time on

1940
01:40:47,600 --> 01:40:49,240
Speaker 3: TV that has become one of my favorite movies called

1941
01:40:49,280 --> 01:40:53,360
Speaker 3: Holy Flame of the Martial World, and it is absolutely

1942
01:40:53,439 --> 01:40:56,439
Speaker 3: bonkers because it is like a full on fantasy movie

1943
01:40:56,920 --> 01:40:58,639
Speaker 3: and it's about a brother and sister who are seeking

1944
01:40:58,720 --> 01:41:01,840
Speaker 3: vengeance for the killing of their parents classic Hong Kong

1945
01:41:01,960 --> 01:41:05,559
Speaker 3: movie Trip, but they all have like superpowers like street

1946
01:41:05,640 --> 01:41:10,960
Speaker 3: fighter style, Harduken esque like. It's directed by Chun Kulu,

1947
01:41:11,120 --> 01:41:13,479
Speaker 3: and it is just one of the wildest movies I've

1948
01:41:13,520 --> 01:41:16,920
Speaker 3: ever seen. It's definitely it's probably my favorite show Brother's movie.

1949
01:41:17,000 --> 01:41:19,240
Speaker 3: But I love like every show Brother's movie. As soon

1950
01:41:19,280 --> 01:41:21,719
Speaker 3: as I see that logo come up, like sure scope,

1951
01:41:21,840 --> 01:41:24,519
Speaker 3: I'm just like I'm in a happy place. But that

1952
01:41:24,640 --> 01:41:26,840
Speaker 3: one I would definitely seek out because it is like

1953
01:41:27,680 --> 01:41:31,560
Speaker 3: it's trippy. It definitely has big everything everywhere all that

1954
01:41:31,640 --> 01:41:35,759
Speaker 3: wants vibes actually, because they're just mixing so many genres

1955
01:41:35,800 --> 01:41:38,519
Speaker 3: and so many brilliant practical effects. But that one is

1956
01:41:38,600 --> 01:41:40,200
Speaker 3: like a that's a standout for me.

1957
01:41:40,960 --> 01:41:41,400
Speaker 2: I love that.

1958
01:41:41,880 --> 01:41:45,160
Speaker 1: I was watching like a Shaw Brothers slash Hong Kong

1959
01:41:45,320 --> 01:41:48,240
Speaker 1: action film documentary and they were talking to Cynthia Rothrock

1960
01:41:48,280 --> 01:41:52,840
Speaker 1: about one of her pictures, early pictures. It might have

1961
01:41:52,960 --> 01:41:54,800
Speaker 1: been The Magic Crystal, but I forget what. And she

1962
01:41:54,960 --> 01:41:57,880
Speaker 1: was just like saying how they were just like, okay,

1963
01:41:57,960 --> 01:42:00,320
Speaker 1: you come in and you just look up here, okay,

1964
01:42:00,400 --> 01:42:01,960
Speaker 1: And then she didn't. And then later she saw the

1965
01:42:02,000 --> 01:42:03,519
Speaker 1: movie and she realized like she was looking up at

1966
01:42:03,520 --> 01:42:05,519
Speaker 1: a UFO. She's like, I wish somebody would have told

1967
01:42:05,600 --> 01:42:07,479
Speaker 1: me that that's what I was looking at.

1968
01:42:08,840 --> 01:42:10,679
Speaker 3: Time's money, baby, Time's money.

1969
01:42:10,760 --> 01:42:11,360
Speaker 2: Time is money.

1970
01:42:11,400 --> 01:42:14,880
Speaker 1: You gotta do this quick, Okay, uh my next pick, God,

1971
01:42:14,960 --> 01:42:17,479
Speaker 1: this is so hard, so hard. I'm not going to

1972
01:42:17,560 --> 01:42:22,360
Speaker 1: pick another Jackie Chan movie. I am going to pick booh, okay,

1973
01:42:22,720 --> 01:42:28,320
Speaker 1: this is my This was my unwittingly kind of my

1974
01:42:28,520 --> 01:42:32,679
Speaker 1: introduction into Hong Kong cinema for real. It is John

1975
01:42:32,680 --> 01:42:36,400
Speaker 1: Who's the Killer I they were playing it like on

1976
01:42:36,680 --> 01:42:40,439
Speaker 1: showtime or Cinemax, like late at night, like one two am,

1977
01:42:40,560 --> 01:42:43,160
Speaker 1: and I caught it just some random evening.

1978
01:42:43,160 --> 01:42:44,920
Speaker 2: I had no idea. I didn't know John was. I

1979
01:42:44,960 --> 01:42:47,920
Speaker 2: didn't know about this new emerging.

1980
01:42:47,520 --> 01:42:52,919
Speaker 1: Style of of Asian action film that has been labeled

1981
01:42:53,000 --> 01:42:56,600
Speaker 1: since gung Fu, which is like take away the swords

1982
01:42:56,760 --> 01:42:59,519
Speaker 1: and the and the two handed fighting of like Kung

1983
01:42:59,560 --> 01:43:02,120
Speaker 1: Fu movie, he's put two Barretta.

1984
01:43:01,800 --> 01:43:03,920
Speaker 2: Pistols in the hands of your.

1985
01:43:06,640 --> 01:43:11,040
Speaker 1: Flying majestica, and you have gung Fu the killer it is,

1986
01:43:11,280 --> 01:43:15,120
Speaker 1: you know, another classic Hong Kong action set up. You

1987
01:43:15,320 --> 01:43:20,960
Speaker 1: have a a assassin who has uh accidentally in the

1988
01:43:21,280 --> 01:43:24,480
Speaker 1: in the course of carrying out a hit, has blinded

1989
01:43:24,720 --> 01:43:27,560
Speaker 1: an innocent woman and he's guilt ridden by this, and

1990
01:43:27,720 --> 01:43:30,719
Speaker 1: he then is like, I gotta put everything, I gotta

1991
01:43:30,880 --> 01:43:34,120
Speaker 1: I gotta, I gotta a tone from my sins, and

1992
01:43:34,240 --> 01:43:38,240
Speaker 1: then he ends up having this kind of like uh,

1993
01:43:39,000 --> 01:43:44,040
Speaker 1: you know, like opposites attract a friendship, bond with a

1994
01:43:44,240 --> 01:43:48,600
Speaker 1: cop and together the two of them take out I

1995
01:43:48,680 --> 01:43:53,880
Speaker 1: don't know, hundreds of bad guys like the count, like

1996
01:43:54,040 --> 01:43:58,479
Speaker 1: their body count is so absurd in this film. And

1997
01:43:58,600 --> 01:44:00,880
Speaker 1: I had never seen anything like it at the time.

1998
01:44:01,000 --> 01:44:02,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, soundbelievable to watch.

1999
01:44:03,080 --> 01:44:05,719
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know, like twelve or thirteen

2000
01:44:05,840 --> 01:44:07,640
Speaker 1: or whatever the first time I saw it, and I

2001
01:44:07,880 --> 01:44:12,360
Speaker 1: was like, this is so crazy. I have never seen

2002
01:44:12,400 --> 01:44:14,360
Speaker 1: anything like this, And to this day it's just one

2003
01:44:14,439 --> 01:44:19,680
Speaker 1: of the most fun There's a scene in which the

2004
01:44:19,760 --> 01:44:25,000
Speaker 1: assassin and the cop are there in the house of

2005
01:44:26,160 --> 01:44:29,680
Speaker 1: the woman who has been blinded, right, and they have

2006
01:44:29,760 --> 01:44:32,560
Speaker 1: guns on each other in a classic setup that that

2007
01:44:32,640 --> 01:44:34,680
Speaker 1: would then be ripped off a million times by a

2008
01:44:34,720 --> 01:44:35,080
Speaker 1: million oi.

2009
01:44:35,120 --> 01:44:37,520
Speaker 2: The directors, including like Quentin Tarantina and others.

2010
01:44:37,600 --> 01:44:40,960
Speaker 1: And they are like in this in this standoff, like

2011
01:44:41,080 --> 01:44:43,679
Speaker 1: guns drawn and she has no idea because they're playing

2012
01:44:43,720 --> 01:44:47,519
Speaker 1: it off like everything's fine, and it is such a

2013
01:44:47,600 --> 01:44:49,720
Speaker 1: super fun scene. You realize like where a lot of

2014
01:44:49,760 --> 01:44:52,160
Speaker 1: the stuff from like Face Off came from. Anyway, The

2015
01:44:52,320 --> 01:44:55,639
Speaker 1: Killer just phenomenal, phenomenal, phenomenal movie.

2016
01:44:55,680 --> 01:44:57,559
Speaker 3: I was going to say, like, if you like John Wick,

2017
01:44:57,640 --> 01:45:00,280
Speaker 3: if you like even like The Meat Trick, this things

2018
01:45:00,320 --> 01:45:02,320
Speaker 3: like that, Like that's one of those movies where you

2019
01:45:02,400 --> 01:45:05,479
Speaker 3: watch it and you're gonna be like, oh my god, Okay,

2020
01:45:06,200 --> 01:45:08,919
Speaker 3: this is so hard. Okay, but I'm going by pure enjoyment.

2021
01:45:09,040 --> 01:45:11,760
Speaker 3: So don't look. I would say, once upon a time

2022
01:45:11,800 --> 01:45:13,800
Speaker 3: in China, people will say that's the top three. So

2023
01:45:13,920 --> 01:45:17,000
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go. This is very this is very true

2024
01:45:17,040 --> 01:45:19,040
Speaker 3: of this is very true to my taste. So my

2025
01:45:19,200 --> 01:45:20,960
Speaker 3: number one, this is the one that I watch. This

2026
01:45:21,120 --> 01:45:23,000
Speaker 3: is the one where when I'm on a plane, I

2027
01:45:23,200 --> 01:45:25,519
Speaker 3: download it onto my iPad so I can watch it.

2028
01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:27,479
Speaker 3: And I actually was once on a plane to a

2029
01:45:27,520 --> 01:45:29,639
Speaker 3: set visit and I had an old grandma sitting next

2030
01:45:29,680 --> 01:45:32,600
Speaker 3: to me, and she ended up watching it with me,

2031
01:45:32,680 --> 01:45:36,479
Speaker 3: and she was so into it. And this is returned

2032
01:45:36,520 --> 01:45:40,440
Speaker 3: to the thirty sixth Chamber. Oh helly starring the absolute

2033
01:45:40,760 --> 01:45:45,240
Speaker 3: icon Gordon Lou in one of the movie rageously meta

2034
01:45:45,360 --> 01:45:48,439
Speaker 3: plot lines of all time. So it is part of

2035
01:45:48,520 --> 01:45:53,639
Speaker 3: the thirty six Chamber series tangentially and uh.

2036
01:45:55,160 --> 01:45:55,479
Speaker 1: It is.

2037
01:45:56,960 --> 01:45:59,800
Speaker 3: In this movie Gordon Lou plays a scammer who is

2038
01:46:00,160 --> 01:46:02,160
Speaker 3: tending to be the monk that he plays in the

2039
01:46:02,240 --> 01:46:05,160
Speaker 3: thirty six Sami movie movie, so he is like, it's

2040
01:46:05,280 --> 01:46:09,200
Speaker 3: so meta and silly, and it is also one of

2041
01:46:09,240 --> 01:46:11,800
Speaker 3: my favorite things about Hong Kong movies that American action

2042
01:46:11,920 --> 01:46:15,360
Speaker 3: movies never ever have ever caught onto. It's a union movie.

2043
01:46:15,640 --> 01:46:18,519
Speaker 3: It's a movie about workers rising up against their terrible

2044
01:46:18,600 --> 01:46:21,960
Speaker 3: bosses who are working this dying factory. And it is

2045
01:46:22,160 --> 01:46:25,519
Speaker 3: just it's so silly and so funny. And Gordon Lose

2046
01:46:25,640 --> 01:46:27,519
Speaker 3: one of the best martial artists who ever lived. He's

2047
01:46:27,560 --> 01:46:30,680
Speaker 3: absolutely incredible and he's so charming. And it has this

2048
01:46:31,800 --> 01:46:36,120
Speaker 3: end see the end fight scene where he wants to

2049
01:46:37,320 --> 01:46:39,720
Speaker 3: learn how to become a martialist. So he's been at

2050
01:46:39,800 --> 01:46:44,600
Speaker 3: the school and they just keep making him do scaffolding,

2051
01:46:44,720 --> 01:46:46,960
Speaker 3: like they keep making him work. They won't let him actually,

2052
01:46:47,479 --> 01:46:50,639
Speaker 3: you know, learn anything. And in the end he has

2053
01:46:50,720 --> 01:46:54,320
Speaker 3: a scaffolding fight where he he's using the scaffolding polls

2054
01:46:54,360 --> 01:46:56,360
Speaker 3: and using what he saw in the school, and it's

2055
01:46:56,439 --> 01:46:58,800
Speaker 3: like one of the most unbelievable things I've ever seen.

2056
01:46:58,960 --> 01:47:01,439
Speaker 3: I watch it so much. It makes me so happy

2057
01:47:01,840 --> 01:47:02,479
Speaker 3: when I watch it.

2058
01:47:02,479 --> 01:47:03,599
Speaker 2: It's like a great pick.

2059
01:47:04,600 --> 01:47:07,360
Speaker 3: I love Gordon lu so much, and I love these movies,

2060
01:47:07,439 --> 01:47:09,760
Speaker 3: but this is the one where I just think that's

2061
01:47:09,840 --> 01:47:12,400
Speaker 3: so clever, Like I would love to see it's like

2062
01:47:12,520 --> 01:47:14,720
Speaker 3: having a Marvel movie and then you have like a

2063
01:47:14,880 --> 01:47:17,639
Speaker 3: sequel to the Marvel movie where like Robert Downey Guny

2064
01:47:17,720 --> 01:47:20,519
Speaker 3: is playing someone who just looks like Tony Stark pretending

2065
01:47:20,560 --> 01:47:23,200
Speaker 3: to be him. It's so silly, but it's it's done

2066
01:47:23,280 --> 01:47:25,160
Speaker 3: so well, and that to me is like a peak.

2067
01:47:25,920 --> 01:47:29,960
Speaker 3: That's like the peak of the Shore Brothers stuff.

2068
01:47:30,280 --> 01:47:33,439
Speaker 1: Ah, I am gonna pick for my final pick, my

2069
01:47:33,560 --> 01:47:37,720
Speaker 1: number one movie. I've I thought about going outside of

2070
01:47:37,720 --> 01:47:39,520
Speaker 1: the box and this is kind of like a consensus.

2071
01:47:39,600 --> 01:47:41,040
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people might pick this, but

2072
01:47:41,080 --> 01:47:44,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pick it anyway because this was my introduction

2073
01:47:45,080 --> 01:47:48,679
Speaker 1: to Jackie Chan. That wasn't one of the Cannonball Run movies.

2074
01:47:48,840 --> 01:47:51,560
Speaker 1: Whatever the Cannibal Run movie is that Jackie Chan appears in.

2075
01:47:51,680 --> 01:47:53,479
Speaker 1: That's the first time I ever saw Jackie Chan. I

2076
01:47:53,520 --> 01:47:54,200
Speaker 1: didn't know who he was.

2077
01:47:54,840 --> 01:47:57,960
Speaker 2: This is the first time I watched a Jackie Chan movie.

2078
01:47:58,600 --> 01:48:02,760
Speaker 1: And really, this is like a star who I never

2079
01:48:02,800 --> 01:48:05,120
Speaker 1: even knew exist and has been working in this other world,

2080
01:48:05,800 --> 01:48:07,840
Speaker 1: you know, on the other side of the earth. Uh.

2081
01:48:08,120 --> 01:48:13,479
Speaker 1: It is a police story, yea, the I mean nineteen

2082
01:48:13,520 --> 01:48:19,280
Speaker 1: eighty five police story. Jackie Chan as a cop who

2083
01:48:19,320 --> 01:48:23,160
Speaker 1: has to take down like drug dealers and protect a witness.

2084
01:48:23,920 --> 01:48:26,840
Speaker 1: It is I think one of the greatest action movies

2085
01:48:28,120 --> 01:48:29,479
Speaker 1: legitimately of all time.

2086
01:48:30,200 --> 01:48:30,560
Speaker 6: You know it.

2087
01:48:30,720 --> 01:48:35,040
Speaker 1: The opening set piece of this movie is like the

2088
01:48:35,200 --> 01:48:37,280
Speaker 1: climax of most other actions.

2089
01:48:37,720 --> 01:48:39,200
Speaker 3: And I'm just like, this is just the open.

2090
01:48:39,400 --> 01:48:42,679
Speaker 1: Is the opening, This is the opening, like eight minutes

2091
01:48:42,720 --> 01:48:46,840
Speaker 1: of the movie, is any other movies climax Like they

2092
01:48:46,960 --> 01:48:50,559
Speaker 1: destroy legitimately destroy an entire fucking town on the side

2093
01:48:50,560 --> 01:48:54,920
Speaker 1: of a hill and then it keeps going. It just

2094
01:48:55,880 --> 01:48:57,800
Speaker 1: some of the greatest fights, some of the greatest action

2095
01:48:59,560 --> 01:49:02,559
Speaker 1: A fame this stunt in the climax of this movie,

2096
01:49:02,600 --> 01:49:05,280
Speaker 1: which takes place in a mall that was later ripped

2097
01:49:05,320 --> 01:49:10,840
Speaker 1: off for the Sylvester Stallone movie Tango and Cash. It

2098
01:49:10,960 --> 01:49:16,040
Speaker 1: is just like a great, great, great, all time great movie.

2099
01:49:16,320 --> 01:49:18,680
Speaker 1: Jackie Chan break dances and moonwalks in it at one

2100
01:49:18,720 --> 01:49:21,080
Speaker 1: point to get dog poop off his shoe. It's just

2101
01:49:21,160 --> 01:49:24,200
Speaker 1: like a great, great yeah, and that gives you everything

2102
01:49:24,680 --> 01:49:27,160
Speaker 1: that Jackie Chan has. And the Criterion Collection has a

2103
01:49:27,280 --> 01:49:30,800
Speaker 1: wonderful like four K restoration of this movie that if

2104
01:49:30,880 --> 01:49:33,240
Speaker 1: if you want to get like a great version of

2105
01:49:33,320 --> 01:49:36,160
Speaker 1: this movie and have it in a in a actual

2106
01:49:36,240 --> 01:49:38,760
Speaker 1: like hard media version, that's a great way to go.

2107
01:49:39,280 --> 01:49:40,320
Speaker 2: Just one of my favorite movies as well.

2108
01:49:40,520 --> 01:49:42,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's the movie that a lot of

2109
01:49:42,240 --> 01:49:44,679
Speaker 3: people think about when you say Hong Kong cinema as well,

2110
01:49:45,000 --> 01:49:48,120
Speaker 3: especially in the times of Jackie Chan. And actually, I'm

2111
01:49:48,160 --> 01:49:50,120
Speaker 3: glad you brought up the Criterion because we're in a

2112
01:49:50,200 --> 01:49:53,240
Speaker 3: really lovely phase now where this stuff's getting recognized Criterion.

2113
01:49:53,320 --> 01:49:56,959
Speaker 3: I love that unbelievable Bruce Lae collection recently, very overdew

2114
01:49:57,040 --> 01:50:01,520
Speaker 3: but absolutely brilliant, with just unbelievable amounts of great restorations

2115
01:50:01,560 --> 01:50:06,200
Speaker 3: but also incredible special features. One of the best things

2116
01:50:06,560 --> 01:50:09,439
Speaker 3: that I own their Arrow Video. Actually just did a

2117
01:50:09,560 --> 01:50:13,479
Speaker 3: Shaw Brothers collection too, which is much earlier. Shaw Brothers

2118
01:50:13,520 --> 01:50:17,920
Speaker 3: stuff really serious martial arts, like some movies I hadn't

2119
01:50:17,920 --> 01:50:19,920
Speaker 3: even seen, which is kind of rare for me. And

2120
01:50:20,040 --> 01:50:22,280
Speaker 3: once upon the time in China as well, the trilogy

2121
01:50:22,400 --> 01:50:25,400
Speaker 3: just got a Criterion box that I believe, So I'm

2122
01:50:25,439 --> 01:50:27,320
Speaker 3: really glad that we're in a time where these movies

2123
01:50:27,360 --> 01:50:30,000
Speaker 3: are being seen for the cinematic impact that they have, because,

2124
01:50:30,040 --> 01:50:33,120
Speaker 3: like you say, Jackie Chan is like a legend. He

2125
01:50:33,280 --> 01:50:36,040
Speaker 3: is a legend globally, and not just that he's like

2126
01:50:37,320 --> 01:50:41,400
Speaker 3: he still runs a stunt school where he trains these

2127
01:50:41,520 --> 01:50:43,960
Speaker 3: unbelievable stunt teams who work with him and he trains

2128
01:50:44,000 --> 01:50:46,120
Speaker 3: the next generation of action stars, and that's like a

2129
01:50:46,479 --> 01:50:50,439
Speaker 3: that's a legacy, aside from just the hundreds of incredible roles.

2130
01:50:50,280 --> 01:50:52,920
Speaker 1: They and if you pick up that Criterion version, some

2131
01:50:53,000 --> 01:50:56,679
Speaker 1: of the DVD extras include a documentary where Jackie takes

2132
01:50:56,720 --> 01:50:59,800
Speaker 1: you through his stunt school, shows you how he works

2133
01:50:59,840 --> 01:51:03,080
Speaker 1: with his uh with his stunt performers and how they

2134
01:51:03,240 --> 01:51:05,000
Speaker 1: create these unbelievable sceness really fun.

2135
01:51:05,360 --> 01:51:07,120
Speaker 2: Okay, that's it for the A game.

2136
01:51:07,320 --> 01:51:10,160
Speaker 1: Who would you have picked? What movies would you have selected?

2137
01:51:10,280 --> 01:51:12,599
Speaker 1: Hit us up at hashtag XRVN game to give us

2138
01:51:12,640 --> 01:51:17,560
Speaker 1: your picks. Big thank you to the Daniels and of

2139
01:51:17,640 --> 01:51:20,640
Speaker 1: course the ever great Rosie Night for joining us on

2140
01:51:20,800 --> 01:51:23,280
Speaker 1: X ray Vision. Rosie plugs, Plugs, keep plugging.

2141
01:51:23,479 --> 01:51:25,640
Speaker 3: What do you Yeah, yes you can if you like

2142
01:51:25,760 --> 01:51:27,400
Speaker 3: Easter eggs and all that kind of stuff. I do

2143
01:51:27,600 --> 01:51:31,240
Speaker 3: them at Yeah, we get noticed. I do digin deep

2144
01:51:31,320 --> 01:51:33,840
Speaker 3: into those eggs. Lots of comic book stuff that you

2145
01:51:33,920 --> 01:51:37,880
Speaker 3: can read on there. I also am at Instagram, Rosie

2146
01:51:37,920 --> 01:51:41,840
Speaker 3: Marx and letterboxed where I've been watching some extremely bad movies.

2147
01:51:41,960 --> 01:51:42,840
Speaker 2: Usually it's just like.

2148
01:51:43,160 --> 01:51:45,920
Speaker 3: Usually they're like subjective where I'm like, I think they're good,

2149
01:51:46,000 --> 01:51:48,799
Speaker 3: but I've been on a tear of bad network broadcast

2150
01:51:48,880 --> 01:51:53,040
Speaker 3: movies while I work. I'm going to have a Godzilla

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Speaker 3: comic coming out. It should be coming out in June.

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Speaker 3: We're going to talk about it more. You will be

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Speaker 3: able to pre order it soon. Not right now, but

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Speaker 3: as soon as you can. I will tell you he

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Speaker 3: Jason's reagains, Godilla, Share Interport, the big Let's go, you

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Speaker 3: know what. I will plug This is just to continue.

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Speaker 3: So there was a twenty twenty one More All Combat movie.

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Speaker 3: It's very campy, right, It's it's like but I will

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Speaker 3: say the kid who plays Kung Lau, it's called Max Swang.

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Speaker 3: He's an incredible martial arist and he trained under Jackie

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Speaker 3: from when he was a little kid at the stunt school,

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Speaker 3: and this was like his first role that wasn't a

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Speaker 3: stunt role, and that kind of shows you the caliber

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Speaker 3: of martial artists that they went out of their way

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Speaker 3: to find for that movie. And I just think Max,

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Speaker 3: this is such a great martial artist, and he's done

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Speaker 3: so much work for the stunt community as someone who

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Speaker 3: promotes like safe fighting and good fighting in movies, and

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Speaker 3: it was nice see him get like a leading role,

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Speaker 3: So if you want to go watch that on HBO Max,

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Speaker 3: it's very fun and it also has incredible lou Can

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Speaker 3: casting because Lyddy Lynn is like so perfect, so those

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Speaker 3: two together are definitely the highlight.

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Speaker 1: It's also add in the extended X Ray Vision family.

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Speaker 1: Cody zig Ziggler's Spider.

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Speaker 2: Punk Number one. It's out now, baby, listen. Do you

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Speaker 2: like spider people? Do you like people with spider powers?

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Speaker 1: There's never been a better time in the Marvel Comics

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Speaker 1: universe for multiple spider powered people, and here we have

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Speaker 1: Hoby Brown, the ever exciting Spider Punk in his own

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Speaker 1: solo title written by Cody Ziggler.

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Speaker 2: With Justin Mason and Jim Cheron Pittis.

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Speaker 3: It's It's so good if you love, if you love

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Speaker 3: Spider Man, if you love punk music, if you know

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Speaker 3: Misfits lyrics. It has the final page of that comic.

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Speaker 3: I yelled when I read it. It is so funny,

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Speaker 3: it's so good. The letters are unbelievable. It's Travis Lanam

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Speaker 3: I believe, like the whole team is just killing it.

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Speaker 3: It's an anti fascist punk Spider Man book and it

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Speaker 3: we know zig because that comic is just it's one

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Speaker 3: of the best fast issues in a long time.

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Speaker 1: I completely agree the icon and Oliver Kopiel is on

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Speaker 1: the cover. Yeah baby, Okay, Well that's listen. That's it

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Speaker 1: X ray Vision is a Crooked Media production. The show

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Speaker 2: Dellan Villanueva and mattnic.

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Speaker 1: Greek provide video production support, and Alex Rellaford handle social media.

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Speaker 1: Thank you Brian Vasquez for theme music.

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Speaker 2: Bye