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Speaker 1: Don't panic. That's the worst thing you can do, right.

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Speaker 2: You can't expect to always just sit around and have

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Speaker 3: It's just not the reality.

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Speaker 4: It really goes back to what was left there last year,

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Speaker 4: which it was good last year, and there was some

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Speaker 4: really good upcumbers. There were some nice bocks that you

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Speaker 5: traveled across the Midwest, bringing a group of experts to

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Speaker 5: dive into one single question, one white tailed dilemma that

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Speaker 5: we face throughout the build up of the white tail season.

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Speaker 5: diving into a question and topic that I think a

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Speaker 5: lot of people may be sitting in right now. And

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Speaker 5: some people have comfort with this and some people are

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Speaker 5: likely very nervous. And so what we're diving into is

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Speaker 5: if you've been running cameras, you've been trying to scout,

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Speaker 5: and you haven't found a deer yet, that gets you excited. Now,

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Speaker 5: A lot of people right now will say, well, yeah,

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Speaker 5: dear shift, but where do deer shift and is this

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Speaker 5: something that you can bank on? Do you have intel

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Speaker 5: from last year? And we brought in our panel of

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Speaker 5: recognize these patterns that may be impactful for you to

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Speaker 5: develop a really good game plan for right now to

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Speaker 5: potentially find a buck to hunt, or number two, find

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Speaker 3: So we have our.

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Speaker 5: Expert panel here again with Bill Winky, Bobby Kendall, Skip Sly,

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Speaker 5: Steve Hansen, Jeff Sturgist, Don Higgins, Thomas Milsna, and Mark Kenyon,

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Speaker 5: and we're going to get right into this with Bill

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Speaker 5: on what he thinks and what to do. If you've

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Speaker 5: to hunt, should you panic and what should you do?

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Speaker 5: All my friends are sending me pictures of giant velvet bucks.

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Speaker 5: They're telling me all these big deer that they're going

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Speaker 5: to be able to hunt like a loser. I haven't

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Speaker 5: found any deer to hunt yet. It's August eighteen, and

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Speaker 5: I just feel like my season is ruined before it started.

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Speaker 3: What do I do?

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Speaker 4: It's still too early to now. I mean, I've seen

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Speaker 4: the playing field change clear into October.

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Speaker 3: With respect to the bucks that.

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Speaker 4: Are in my hunting area, what I always think is

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Speaker 4: in what I've learned, you know, through the years, is

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Speaker 4: the bucks that were there last year in the fall

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Speaker 4: are probably going to be there again this year. If

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Speaker 4: or any really good up and comers, then you maybe

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Speaker 4: probably not going to be any this year because they

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Speaker 4: don't just magically appear. They grow and they're not nearly

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Speaker 4: as transient, is what we think. And that's the other

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Speaker 4: big I'm saying misconceptions. People think all them be it out,

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Speaker 4: they're always on the move. They're not always on the move.

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Speaker 4: I've not seen that, And talk with.

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Speaker 4: Some of them there are guys that you know, you've

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Speaker 4: aren't moving all over the place. So you've got bucks

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Speaker 4: in their summer ranges drifted and dispersing into their fall ranges.

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Speaker 4: If it's been a good area and asked, it's just

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Speaker 4: You know that that move a little bit depends on

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Speaker 4: the size of the property you're hunting. If you're hunting

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Speaker 4: He might not seem until the rock he's up cruising,

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Speaker 4: But more than likely, if he was in that area

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Speaker 5: So the question people should be asking is is there

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Speaker 5: Is there any reason to think that a big one

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Speaker 3: And I shouldn't panic right now?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you Again, it really goes back to

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Speaker 3: You guys have it.

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Speaker 5: That is Bill's perspective, and what I gather from that

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Speaker 3: What may sow up?

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Speaker 5: And if the answer is nothing, you might want to

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Speaker 3: I can't find a buck the hunt. What do I do?

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Speaker 5: Is late August, they're done growing. Basically, they're getting ready

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I think we talked about good hunters and

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Speaker 2: So like, if you just have one spot to hunt,

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Speaker 2: You can't expect to always just sit around and have

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Speaker 3: I just start running cameras everywhere.

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Speaker 2: You just have to get spend more of your efforts

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Speaker 2: finding other places than trying to uh make make one magically.

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Speaker 3: Appear, because it just it doesn't really work.

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Speaker 2: Like that, and I wish I had a better answer

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Speaker 2: I don't have any dear to hunt. But if it's

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Speaker 5: Bobby's advice is super real and tangible for anyone that

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Speaker 3: And also if.

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Speaker 5: You're feeling like, hey, this isn't likely going to happen,

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Speaker 3: What do I do?

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Speaker 7: One we need to understand that a lot of these

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Speaker 7: You know, if I can do anything for habitat, making

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Speaker 3: So I would try to.

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Speaker 7: Have as many setups in like thick secluded areas that

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Speaker 7: And if you have a farm built to house a

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Speaker 7: hopefully they do, sometimes maybe they won't, you're ready to go.

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Speaker 7: And your farm is very low pressure, and then you

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Speaker 7: that you want to hunt.

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Speaker 3: Whoa that that stuff that look.

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Speaker 7: Kind of thick with cattle in and well that's a

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Speaker 3: It's late summer.

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Speaker 5: Okay, you've probably had cameras out, you've done some scouting,

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Speaker 8: Now what well, what I would start doing at that point,

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Speaker 6: More of observation stands.

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Speaker 8: You're there, you're hunting, but instead of hunting, you know,

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Speaker 8: But you're also in a spot where you can glass

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Speaker 6: But you're going to have to.

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Speaker 8: Cover more country to be able to be able to

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Speaker 8: try to find one. It's all going to focus on

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Speaker 5: Where would you move them or I guess and this

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I would.

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Speaker 8: I would definitely be moving, you know, as you go

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Speaker 5: So I would you think twenty years ago and think

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Speaker 6: His name, he's a great friend.

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Speaker 8: His name's Bob, and we're like, hops, probably doesn't know.

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Speaker 8: We never saw the other one again, and he had

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Speaker 5: Now, let's get into what Jeff Sturge's perspective is on

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Speaker 5: the topic. Might be totally different than everyone else here,

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Speaker 5: let's get into it. I can't find a buck to hunt.

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Speaker 5: I don't know of one right now based off of

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Speaker 3: What do I do?

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Speaker 6: Now, You're probably doing a great job.

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Speaker 9: The majority of lands that hold the mature and this

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Speaker 9: It's up there, it's high, but the majority of the

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Speaker 9: box will hold. The lands that hold the best box

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Speaker 9: here in the fall.

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Speaker 6: And there's nothing magical about it.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 6: Thing over and over and over again.

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Speaker 9: Mature bucks have one habitat requirement during the summertime and

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Speaker 6: That habitat merk requirement might go back.

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Speaker 9: studies will show that there's often a barbell movement to

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Speaker 6: Well, if you look at the habitat.

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Speaker 9: They need during the summertime, they need quality summer food.

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Speaker 9: So a lot of times if you're seeing big groups

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 9: If they're hitting ag areas or aunt alfalfa soybeans, those

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Speaker 9: is unpressured, and he wants quality fall food in winter

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Speaker 9: food which is not the same as the summer. Also,

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Speaker 9: and briers that he would prefer to live in during October, November, December, January, February, March.

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Speaker 9: In fact, he browses there, lives there during the daylight.

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Speaker 9: So not only does his food source change, his cover

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Speaker 9: sources changed too. So if you're building a property on

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Speaker 9: So if you're focusing your food efforts in that time,

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Speaker 9: and so that's a good thing. And I can honestly

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Speaker 9: we're seeing about a third of them right now. We

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Speaker 9: My neighbor last year sent me we had shot. I

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Speaker 9: he is one of the ones we saw in the neighborhood,

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Speaker 9: which was a really good thing the other night ll beams.

439
00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,760
Speaker 9: But anyways, we shot two of the other ones, and

440
00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,760
Speaker 9: my neighbor said, well, that was only bucks we were after, So.

441
00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:10,200
Speaker 6: I don't even know if I'm gonna come back to hunt.

442
00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,560
Speaker 6: I thought he would have he's one hundred acres.

443
00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:14,800
Speaker 9: Off the edge of us. I thought he would have

444
00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,879
Speaker 9: had other mature bucks to shoot. But he positions his

445
00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:19,840
Speaker 9: food source and I've talked to him about this, but

446
00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:21,840
Speaker 9: he positions his food source so it's right up against

447
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,480
Speaker 9: our property. Well, all the bucks that hit his food

448
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,159
Speaker 9: live and reside on our property during the daylight. He

449
00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,000
Speaker 9: sent me a text saying that he hadn't seen anywhere

450
00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,639
Speaker 9: else but the last three years he sees those bucks

451
00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:36,840
Speaker 9: all summer long, and then by late October November, he

452
00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:38,880
Speaker 9: doesn't see him anymore, and we shoot him on our land,

453
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:43,480
Speaker 9: And it's because of cover and food source positioning. I'd

454
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:47,119
Speaker 9: rather he actually take his food away from us, develop

455
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,959
Speaker 9: his own core betting area. Then he can develop separate

456
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:54,120
Speaker 9: buck movements and for that we get potentially twice as

457
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,679
Speaker 9: much or fifty percent more mature bucks in the area

458
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Speaker 9: that we could all hunt and enjoy.

459
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Speaker 6: So I'd actually rather see that and try to help

460
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Speaker 6: them out.

461
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,840
Speaker 9: And it's not necessarily it is a competition thing to

462
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,560
Speaker 9: some extent, but at the same time, if you help

463
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 9: each other out, and I could think you can build

464
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:12,480
Speaker 9: a better dear overall, that helps out the entire neighborhood.

465
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Speaker 5: Over the years, I feel that Jeff has educated a

466
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,679
Speaker 5: lot of people on core and non core bucks. And

467
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 5: when you really want to be holding deer and I

468
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:24,439
Speaker 5: think his perspective is extremely relatable. On a smaller parcel.

469
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,080
Speaker 5: More likely, you can't hold a bunch of mature bucks

470
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Speaker 5: the entire year. They're going to be out in different areas. So,

471
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,119
Speaker 5: hearing that from Jeff, if you're sitting in that exact

472
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,679
Speaker 5: position right now, you should feel a lot better. Now

473
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Speaker 5: let's get into what Don Higgins thinks on this exact topic.

474
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Speaker 3: I can't find a buck to hunt now? What keep looking?

475
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Speaker 10: I mean bucks that you know in early falls, starting

476
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Speaker 10: around September one, when they start shitting velvet bachelor groups

477
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:56,920
Speaker 10: start breaking up, bucks start shifting their ranges, moving from

478
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Speaker 10: their summer range to their fall range. I get a

479
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 10: lot of bucks on camera in the fall that I

480
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 10: did not have pictures of in the summer. If you

481
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 10: got a specific goal, no matter what that goal is,

482
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 10: it could be you know, one hundred and forty inches,

483
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,239
Speaker 10: or it could be booner. If you haven't found that

484
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 10: buck yet, keep looking. Don't compromise. You know, that's another

485
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 10: thing that will separate good hunters from greade hunters. Great

486
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,359
Speaker 10: hunters don't compromise. When they've got a goal, they stick

487
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 10: to that goal no matter how long it takes to

488
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 10: reach it. They keep striving for that goal without compromise,

489
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Speaker 10: So don't give up.

490
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Speaker 5: How important do you think it is to identify Maybe

491
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 5: a lot of people maybe only have one or two spots.

492
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Speaker 3: And so.

493
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Speaker 5: For those people, if typically bucks show up in September

494
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Speaker 5: or October or November, would you tell them not to

495
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 5: panic and stick the plan?

496
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:49,879
Speaker 2: No?

497
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Speaker 10: What I would tell them is, why do you only

498
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 10: have one or those spots? Is your wife telling you

499
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:55,159
Speaker 10: can only hunt here?

500
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Speaker 3: There?

501
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 10: Nobody's tied down. It's not like we're kids depending on

502
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 10: our parents to take sut up to the woods and

503
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 10: drop us off. We got a call a free adult man.

504
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 10: Nobody's tying you down to two hunting properties. Get off

505
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 10: your butt and go make something for yourself. Yeah, if

506
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,199
Speaker 10: you want to kill giants, there's no excuses.

507
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,160
Speaker 5: There's Don's perspective, and I think there's a common theme

508
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 5: that if you've been listening along to each in every

509
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 5: single episode, that a lot of this comes down to

510
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 5: simply effort. All the tactics that are in here, I

511
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 5: understand they don't sound groundbreaking, but it comes down to

512
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 5: effort and your ability to spread out your options to

513
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 5: up your success and there's still time to do that,

514
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 5: and hopefully don just encourage you to consider that before

515
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,400
Speaker 5: the season officially kicks off. And now we have Thomas

516
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 5: Milsna and his perspective on not having a buck to hunt,

517
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,360
Speaker 5: or not knowing eyone, or sitting there with no intel

518
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 5: what to do? And should you panic? All of my

519
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 5: friends are sending me giant velvet bucks. They already have

520
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 5: a rolodex of Target bucks, and I'm sitting here feeling

521
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 5: like a loser on a single buck yet hunt?

522
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 3: What do I do? And do I panic? No?

523
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 1: No, don't panic. That's the worst thing you can do.

524
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 1: Right early in the season like this, I never get

525
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 1: worried now. I always go back and lean on that

526
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 1: historical data.

527
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 3: Right.

528
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: So again, most of the time, if I'm hunting a

529
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 1: deer that's five or six years page, I've got a

530
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,679
Speaker 1: year or two of history with him at least. So

531
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 1: if I go back and I'm if I was anticipating

532
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,399
Speaker 1: that this buck was going to be around early season

533
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 1: and I can't find him in the summertime, then I

534
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,479
Speaker 1: might be a little bit more worried. But even then

535
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 1: I don't worry too much because earlier in the season

536
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 1: there's a lot more cover, there's a lot more food.

537
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 1: Deer move a lot less, plain and simple. So if

538
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,640
Speaker 1: he's just not getting pushed around, he's happy where he is.

539
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,439
Speaker 1: As fall progresses, he's going to shift a little bit, right,

540
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 1: So that's the biggest thing to think about. If you

541
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 1: were chasing a buck last year or watching a target

542
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: buck last year, potential target buck an up and comer,

543
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 1: and now he's on your target list this year. If

544
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 1: you were watching him last year and you were seeing

545
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 1: him on your property in the end of October, then

546
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: don't be alarmed if you don't see him in August. Right,

547
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,199
Speaker 1: it's a completely different timeframe. If you were seeing him

548
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 1: in October last year and then October rolls around this

549
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 1: year and you're still not seeing him, then I would

550
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 1: worry a little bit, and maybe I would just start wondering, like,

551
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,120
Speaker 1: did he get killed in his early season range by

552
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,160
Speaker 1: some other hunter that was anticipating him being there early

553
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 1: in the season. Right, Every property is different, every buck

554
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: is different. The best thing you can do is track

555
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 1: each buck individually, you know, focus on those deer on

556
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 1: their target deer, maintain or collect information that you can

557
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 1: log for that historic data and really really try to

558
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: dial in the areas of your property and what the

559
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,400
Speaker 1: habitat has to offer them. You know, that's like the

560
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: next level of it. Right after anticipating where deer are

561
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,640
Speaker 1: going to be, Well, ask the question why are they there?

562
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 1: Is there more cover based on the time of the year,

563
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 1: Is there more food based on the time of the year.

564
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 1: You know, all those things go hand in hand with

565
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: the pressure element that we face all the time. So

566
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 1: don't panic if it's summertime, unless that book is a

567
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 1: buck that you normally see there in the summer, and

568
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 1: then he's normally their early season, you're trying to hunt him.

569
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 6: If you normally see him later.

570
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: In the fall and he's not there in the summer,

571
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: they're going to shift their home range as always. You

572
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: know that buck might shift miles or he might shift

573
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 1: over the ridge. Every situation is a little bit different.

574
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 5: That's been not at least we have Mark Nyan to close

575
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 5: out this episode and he's going to tell you about

576
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 5: his perspective on this topic for right now and also

577
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 5: later in the season.

578
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 3: So here we go.

579
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 5: We're going to close this out strong with Mark Kenyan.

580
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,959
Speaker 5: All right, all my friends, they are sending me pictures

581
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 5: of a big deer. They're saying, this is going to

582
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,439
Speaker 5: be my best year yet, and I'm sitting here and

583
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 5: I feel like a lame o. I haven't found any

584
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 5: deer yet. I have my cameras up. I'm starting to

585
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 5: panic because i just want to find a deer that

586
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 5: I'll be excited to hunt.

587
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,719
Speaker 3: What do you do if you're sitting in that position

588
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 3: right now? Yeah, well, hear me.

589
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 11: It does depend on when somebody's listening to this right now.

590
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 11: If if somebody's listening to this right now in August,

591
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 11: you know, late summer, that's one thing. If someone were

592
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 11: to be listening to this in season, it's another. I'll

593
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 11: give both answers to help someone out in either situation.

594
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 11: If it's in the summer and they don't have a buck,

595
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 11: they're exciting to hunt, it's understandable to be disappointed. And

596
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 11: I've had a couple of years or that that's the case.

597
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 11: I'm going this's a bummer, but I'm not in panic mode.

598
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 11: So much changes from the end of summer until hunting

599
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,919
Speaker 11: season arrives. There's there's several major shifts. Right There's what

600
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 11: a lot of us called the September shift. So when

601
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 11: bucks lose their velvet, you get a reshuffling of the deck.

602
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 11: I've always found like somewhere on like thirty percent, give

603
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 11: or take, something like that shifts to a slightly different range.

604
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 11: So there's gonna be new bucks coming in, there's gonna

605
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 11: be some bucks leaving. So I'm not you know, what's

606
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 11: there in August or July is oftentimes different than what's

607
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 11: going to be there in October when I start out,

608
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 11: So right out the gate, I know that's going to happen,

609
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 11: So I'm not worried yet. Number Two, As that rut

610
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 11: starts getting closer and closer, you start getting more movement,

611
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 11: more deer moving in. I have some properties that simply

612
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 11: don't have a lot of bucks until the rut, Like

613
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 11: one farm that I hunt just I know because of

614
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 11: the habitat type that's there, it's not a summer place.

615
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 11: But come late October, all of a sudden, bucks start

616
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 11: trolling through. So you can sometimes learn the DNA of

617
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 11: your farm or the DNA of your area and just

618
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 11: come to understand that some places just aren't going to

619
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 11: have that. So hopefully that's something you've come to learn

620
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 11: about your places, and you know, whether or not that's

621
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 11: the case. But if you're in an area where it

622
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 11: historically is always held deer in the summer, and you

623
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 11: know that usually the deer that show up in the

624
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 11: summer are also the deer that are there in the fall.

625
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 11: There's places like that too, And if it's a given

626
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 11: year that's not the case, and like holl of Smokes,

627
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 11: there's no mature bucks this year, then I've got some worries.

628
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 11: Now I'm thinking, like, what's going on? Why is this

629
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 11: year so different than every other year? Is there EHD

630
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 11: has something else going on on that I'm you know,

631
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 11: that's going to mess me up for the whole year.

632
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 11: If I'm in that situation and I have real concerns

633
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 11: because of how different this is in the past, while

634
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 11: I still know that things still could change, I would

635
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 11: at this point be thinking, Okay, how do I diversify? Right, Like,

636
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 11: the key to safe investing is a diversified portfolio, and

637
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 11: I think that diversified to your portfolio is always good.

638
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 11: I did too, So this is something that I'm every

639
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,719
Speaker 11: year of trying to get a little better at this,

640
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 11: and I'm trying to provide myself this kind of safety net.

641
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 3: But that is having.

642
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 11: Multiple options, so never being dependent on just one spot

643
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 11: or just one property or one square mile or one zone.

644
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 3: Whatever.

645
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 11: It is having as many different areas as possible, so

646
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 11: you don't find yourself in a position with nothing to

647
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 11: hunt or nothing you're excited about. You've always got an

648
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 11: option B, an option C, another zone, another area, another,

649
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 11: even if it's just public land, and you're like, hey,

650
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 11: if my core spot that I've always hunted the past

651
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 11: doesn't have one, at least I I know three or

652
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 11: four other public land spots that I can go dive into,

653
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 11: learn more about, and find something fun to do over there.

654
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 11: I think that's a great thing to have in mind.

655
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Speaker 11: I've had some years where deer that I think should

656
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 11: be around aren't around, and I was so excited about

657
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 11: them that I wanted to try to confirm like life

658
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 11: or death, or try to refine them or find something else.

659
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 11: So that's why I start casting nets. So I start

660
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 11: driving around summer evenings and glassing fields and the surrounding neighborhoods,

661
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 11: like imagine like growing concentric circles around where they used

662
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 11: to be and trying to find that deer again or

663
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 11: find another deer. I'm really excited about and then start

664
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 11: trying to get new access, so you're trying to find

665
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 11: that deer and then start knocking on doors around them

666
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 11: and see if you can get access to where a

667
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 11: deer you are excited hunt is now, so that if

668
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 11: it doesn't show back up on your place in October

669
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 11: or November, you have those options. So I think those

670
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 11: are a couple different ways of going about this. There's

671
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 11: the sit back and relax and feel confident that something's

672
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 11: going to happen because you have other options, or because

673
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 11: you know that things do circle around, or I think

674
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 11: there's to seek it out and go find other opportunities.

675
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 11: And I think, you know, some of the conversations that

676
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 11: we've had are around like what separates good from grape

677
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 11: or what separates you know, those who are consistently killing.

678
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 3: A deer versus like every year killed one.

679
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 11: And I think like the ones who always have opportunities

680
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 11: are typically the ones who don't just kick back and

681
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 11: say whatever. They're the ones that, hey, if it's not happening,

682
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 11: I'm gonna make it happen somewhere else or in some

683
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 11: other way. And so I think that's when it comes

684
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 11: down to, like do you have the interest and the

685
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 11: willingness to seek them out. In that case, in season,

686
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 11: if I don't have a buck to hunt, it's much

687
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 11: more of that. So while like the August thing, I

688
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,479
Speaker 11: might be a little bit more like, Okay, it's probably

689
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 11: gonna happen. Still hopefully I'm going a diversified position already,

690
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 11: but I'm probably not panicked. But if it's in October

691
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 11: or November it's still there's nothing to hunt, then it's like, okay,

692
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 11: it's go time. And if it's go time and there's

693
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,479
Speaker 11: nothing to hunt, and it's like all right, I have

694
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 11: to go seek it out elsewhere unless I have different goals,

695
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 11: like if your goals aren't around, I have to kill

696
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 11: a big drive buck. And instead of like, hey, I

697
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 11: want to spend time get my kids out hunting, I

698
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 11: want to kill some doves and whatever comes through, whatever

699
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 11: you know, whatever happens to be here is fine.

700
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 3: Like if that's what make you happy and great, enjoy it,

701
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 3: no worries.

702
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 11: But if you are like dedicated to killing a five

703
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 11: year old or dedicated to killing a certain caliber deer,

704
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 11: you can't kill it if it's not there. And so

705
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 11: in that case it's time to pound wars. It's time

706
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 11: to explore public land. Hopefully you have a diversified portfolio

707
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 11: of access. It's time to check all those other places out.

708
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 11: Oh and then here's another really important thing to know.

709
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 11: I've also been in this position where I thought I

710
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 11: didn't have anything to hunt because my cameras weren't showing it,

711
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 11: and I made the mistake of assuming that was like

712
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 11: gospel truth property. Yeah, it's important not to live and

713
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 11: die by your cameras, because I've also thought, oh, this

714
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 11: dear's gone, and then I didn't hunt for a while,

715
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 11: but then finally, all right, I better go out there,

716
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 11: and so I.

717
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 3: Do go hunt in the band. There he is.

718
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 11: He's just been avoiding the cameras the whole time too.

719
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 11: So make sure that you are actually confirming presence of

720
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 11: the deer with your eyes yourself, rather than depending on

721
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 11: our technology. These tools are great, but do not be

722
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 11: too dependent on them, because there's a whole lot slipping

723
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 11: by that we never see. And if you're not out

724
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 11: there in the field hunting or scouting and doing it

725
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 11: yourself old fashioned woodsmanship and hunting. If you're not doing that,

726
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 11: you are not in a position to make a defining

727
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 11: decision of whether or not there's a buck to hunt

728
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 11: or not.

729
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a really healthy outlook.

730
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 5: And that was really the general consensus across the board

731
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 5: of hey, don't panic, and there is a shift that

732
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 5: is very real and hopefully, if you have a good farm,

733
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 5: your habitat's only going to get better throughout the leading

734
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,399
Speaker 5: up the season and during the actual season when you'll

735
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 5: have an opportunity to hunt them. And that was the

736
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 5: general consensus. The other general consensus was keep looking, like,

737
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 5: just don't totally bank on one will show up, because

738
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 5: one shows up every single year, and go out and

739
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 5: maybe get an option, you know, two, three, four, five,

740
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 5: sixty seven.

741
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 2: Yep.

742
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 3: You can never have too many options.

743
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,280
Speaker 5: You really can't. And I think that it's a super

744
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 5: exciting time. And if you have one on camera, maybe

745
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 5: start looking at, Okay, where may he shift and anticipate

746
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,240
Speaker 5: that maybe you can knock on a door and get permission,

747
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 5: or maybe the farm's large enough anything, I think he's

748
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 5: going to shift over to this direction. And maybe you

749
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 5: have enough data and intel over the years where you

750
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 5: feel like you're you're.

751
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 3: Just waiting for everything to unfold. And that's an exciting

752
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 3: place to be.

753
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:44,879
Speaker 5: Next week, we're diving into an exciting question and dilemma

754
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 5: to where you're just got access to something brand new.

755
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 5: It's late August, it's kind of late to do. It's

756
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 5: too late to do a spring food plot. It may

757
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 5: or may not be too late to do some major projects.

758
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 5: Where you go season is right around the corner, and

759
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 5: that'll be next week.

760
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 3: There, you guys have it.

761
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 5: I hope you enjoyed this episode and what I gathered

762
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 5: from this expert panel on the one topic that we

763
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,240
Speaker 5: all get a little wound up about.

764
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 3: If you're sitting here with no.

765
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 5: Deer on the farm that you own, you manage, you lease,

766
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 5: you pay really close attention to. The thesis is do

767
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 5: not panic, but think about what deer may show up

768
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 5: from last year. That's probably number one. Number two, do

769
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 5: you have good fall habitat? And if the answer is no,

770
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 5: you still have time to get an alternate plan and

771
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 5: make sure that you're not counting on luck, you're not

772
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 5: magically anticipating a big deer to show up. And ultimately,

773
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 5: if you have a bunch of bucks on camera right

774
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 5: now and you're feeling awesome, but once again, the fall

775
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 5: habitat is not going to be ideal. I wouldn't be

776
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 5: feeling as confident and I've done I've been on both

777
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 5: ends of this perspective throughout the years, and I get

778
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 5: a lot less nervous when I don't have Summer Bucks

779
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 5: on camera. But I do know the fall habitat is solid.

780
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 5: So I hope you guys enjoyed this. Next week, we're

781
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 5: diving into a different can of worms and those that

782
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 5: just got a new farm, or just got a new lease,

783
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 5: or just knocked on the door and is basically starting

784
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,720
Speaker 5: a ground zero with the season right around the corner.

785
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,720
Speaker 5: We're gonna share what all these folks would do before

786
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 5: the season and what they wouldn't do, which may be

787
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 5: more important.

788
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 3: So until then, we'll see you next time. See you