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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Professor Penn Podcast. David Pen your host.

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Speaker 1: Glad to be with you as always for a special

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Speaker 1: Because I'm saying because you know, if we haven't been

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Speaker 3: Black Hills, it's cool. I was born and born in

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Speaker 2: And it has taken so long, so long, so long.

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Speaker 4: But me and my friends are convinced they messed up,

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Speaker 2: They're going forward and say, hey, we wanted to do this.

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Speaker 2: Tell me, Tanna, it's just short of a million.

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Speaker 1: So we were just talking about one of those people

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. I want to be build the Kingdom of Heaven.

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Speaker 3: those that need to be clothed, those that need to

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Speaker 3: be fed, the sick, the sick? Do I leave that?

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Speaker 3: Do I pay other people to do that? Or am

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Speaker 3: I going to engage in that personally and take that

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Speaker 3: relationship with those people that I come across. Am I

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Speaker 3: going to do that personally or am I going to

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Speaker 3: abdicate that to a governmental organization to do it for me?

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Speaker 3: Outsourcing outsourcing, And I would say one is very genuine

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Speaker 3: and the other is pretty isolated and insulated from the

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Speaker 3: actual operation.

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Speaker 1: Transactional. Yeah, very transition. You know, I just want to

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Speaker 1: comment that the reason we have a big government is,

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, directly related to the lack of personal responsibility,

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Speaker 1: a willingness to give up that self governance.

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Speaker 3: Because security, safety, safety.

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Speaker 1: That's correct. But you know the interesting thing is.

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Speaker 2: Sam will keep me, keep me safe, lack of faith.

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Speaker 1: It's the government is in people's life where traditional faith

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Speaker 1: once dwelled. And what we do on the podcast is

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Speaker 1: I say, Okay, now we live in modernity. I'm not

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Speaker 1: anti science.

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Speaker 2: But I enjoy science. Science is so interesting.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to throw faith out, which is apparently

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Speaker 1: a big part of our scientific world we're living in

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Speaker 1: right now, in our material world. And what I am

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Speaker 1: John and I were talking before we came on air

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Speaker 1: about this terrible event in in Minneapolis, and I didn't

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Speaker 1: say anything, post anything, and everybody's talking and I'm looking

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Speaker 1: at XS and I'm getting more and more angry, and

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Speaker 1: you know, everybody say and pray. Okay, great, So I

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Speaker 1: said to John, I wonder if any of these people

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Speaker 1: know there's a way to pray, like there's there's oh no,

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Speaker 1: follow your heart. No, that's not like that. There is

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Speaker 1: an actual way that prayer works. So it's kind of

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Speaker 1: like when I see Republican politicians standing up and they're saying,

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Speaker 1: we got to change everything. This is wrong. Are you,

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Speaker 1: as a Republican party officer or a politician elected, are

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Speaker 1: you continuously urging people in your community to get involved

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Speaker 1: in your publican party? And the answer is no, you

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Speaker 1: are not, because whyever you're not. I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: speak for you, but do yourself inventory sure, because these

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Speaker 1: people are listening to us, right and they know that

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Speaker 1: they don't do that. And okay, I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: get judgmental. But in a very similar way, when you

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Speaker 1: get on air as a politician you say, we need

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Speaker 1: to pray, why don't you teach people how to pray?

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Speaker 1: Which would require what you'd have to know how to

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Speaker 1: do it yourself.

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Speaker 2: First, you'd have to believe it.

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's that's striking right to the heart of the matter.

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Speaker 3: You would you would have to your your faith wouldn't

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Speaker 3: be simply a political tool or an alignment.

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Speaker 1: Do you see that in politicians? Sure, oh yeah, you

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Speaker 1: see people wrapping their unholy agendas in the path of faith.

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Speaker 3: Always not always always is the wrong word. Uh, frequently,

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Speaker 3: you can. I mean, because it's a trite, it's a

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Speaker 3: it's what you have to do to satisfy a certain

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Speaker 3: portion of the population, especially your party. You need to

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Speaker 3: acknowledge whether it's authentically or not, that that there's a

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Speaker 3: spiritual side of it, whether or not you actually know

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Speaker 3: how to engage in that. You know, that's to be seen.

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Speaker 3: But oh yeah, obviously, I mean, politics at a certain

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Speaker 3: level is a lot of showmanship.

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Speaker 2: And you know, well I personally opposed to that. I agree.

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Speaker 1: So for all the politicians that are listening, you're all

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Speaker 1: welcome to come in here. You're all welcome to be

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Speaker 1: given the same respect I'm giving. John. We just had

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Speaker 1: on this week representative of Mike Wiener. We had a

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Speaker 1: very nice conversation. We started to push on each other

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Speaker 1: a little bit respectfully.

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Speaker 2: That's good though, that's how you sharpened people.

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Speaker 1: It was a very well distributed podcast. A lot of

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Speaker 1: people have listened to it, we're moving the needle forward.

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Speaker 1: But my point is you're all welcome to come in here.

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Speaker 1: But when you come in here, I only have one requirement.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to agree with me. Don't lie to me.

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Speaker 1: And if you're lying to yourself, probably you're going to

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Speaker 1: lie to me. And then we're going to have a rub.

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Speaker 1: And I was actually thinking, looking at all the posting

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Speaker 1: on this terrible event this week dinner, yeah, that there

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Speaker 1: could be a miracle and everyone could just come together

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Speaker 1: because we just all woke up and said, well, look

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Speaker 1: at what's going on here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, don't you know that you can? You can look

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Speaker 3: into this and that of nine to eleven. But the

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Speaker 3: post nine to eleven America was really enjoyable to be

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Speaker 3: in because there was all of a sudden one vision

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Speaker 3: of you know, I don't care what political side I'm on,

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Speaker 3: and I'm not talking about in between politicians. I'm talking

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Speaker 3: about in the community. It was there was a unifying

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Speaker 3: effect on America for at least a short while. That

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Speaker 3: was that was interesting to experience. I mean I was

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Speaker 3: I was still in college at that time, and it was.

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Speaker 2: But you know.

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Speaker 3: The problem is, then you can get you can understand

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Speaker 3: and remember all the times that politicians say, never let

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Speaker 3: a disaster go unused, you know, never never, never.

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Speaker 1: Let a crisis go there.

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Speaker 2: It is there, it is never let a crisis go

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Speaker 2: to waste.

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Speaker 1: That was actually attributed first to Rob Emmanuel, who at

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Speaker 1: the time was the he was working in the Obama administration.

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Speaker 2: He would be ended up being there for a while.

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Speaker 1: Well he was I think chief of staff, and then

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Speaker 1: he ended up then he ended up being the mayor

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Speaker 1: of Chicago. And then you went back and you know

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Speaker 1: who originally said that, allegedly was Winston Churchill, who created crises.

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Speaker 1: For example, Hitler didn't want to go to war with England,

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Speaker 1: and he viewed that there was a sympatico between the

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Speaker 1: German people and the British people, which is not crazy

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Speaker 1: because no, of course, the King of England, if you

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Speaker 1: listen to it, he speaks fluent German and it's a

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Speaker 1: German family, so there is a tie there.

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Speaker 2: And Winsor is not their original name, that is correct.

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Speaker 1: And so the the German Air Force was not bombing

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Speaker 1: population centers, and you know, you know, Churchill said, boy,

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Speaker 1: if we could get the Germans to bomb London and

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Speaker 1: you know, bomb you know, cities and kill civilians. Christ

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Speaker 1: we could get the Americans to join the war. So

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Speaker 1: we sent the RAF bomber command into bombing German cities

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Speaker 1: at night. Rates killed thousands of people, and Hitler was going,

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Speaker 1: why are you doing this? Please don't do this, Please stop,

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Speaker 1: And of course he didn't stop, and it actually had

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Speaker 1: the effect. Hitler changed his air strategy. They stopped bombing

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Speaker 1: the airfields and the radar stations, they started bombing the

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Speaker 1: civilian centers, and uh, it did galvanize a lot of

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Speaker 1: support for war here in the United States. So, you know,

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Speaker 1: creating crises and using crises, and here we had a

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Speaker 1: crisis here. And you know, my only comment is pardon me.

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Speaker 1: Just doesn't want to say very much because personally, just

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Speaker 1: when we have tragedy in my family, we pull inward.

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Speaker 1: It's not a public event. And we had tragedy. So

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Speaker 1: it's a little strange to me because I do come from

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Speaker 1: a religious community. We don't politicize what's going on. At

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Speaker 1: least that's the goal. That's how I was raised. So

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Speaker 1: when I see all this dialogue, I was watching MSNBC

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Speaker 1: driving in this morning. I always turn it on in

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Speaker 1: the car when I'm coming in, Reverend L. Sharpton, Reverend

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Speaker 1: Al you know, Reverend Al Tanner. Oh yeah, he's losing

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Speaker 1: his reach with the youngers. But he said that there

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Speaker 1: was a civilizational crisis that would allow these kind of

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Speaker 1: events to happen. So this is a man of the

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Speaker 1: far left, well maybe not the far left, but of

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Speaker 1: the left or of the established order, who is saying

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Speaker 1: there's a civilizational crisis. But we're saying the same You

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Speaker 1: just said the same thing.

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Speaker 2: I think that's pretty obvious.

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Speaker 1: That you know.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think this is part of why Christians

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Speaker 3: disengage from politics, is the the public displays of whether

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Speaker 3: it's grief or you know, celebration or whatever, of things

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Speaker 3: that should be private, you know, or if you're authentic

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Speaker 3: about what you believe, you don't need to publicize it.

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Speaker 3: You don't need to get up on a podium and

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Speaker 3: speak into a microphone and have camera redistribute your I

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Speaker 3: got a scripture that you could stay out for that way,

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Speaker 3: if you have the faith of a grade of a

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Speaker 3: mustard seat, you could cast.

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Speaker 1: A mountain into the ocean.

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Speaker 2: There you go.

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Speaker 1: So, you know, really, if you had that kind of faith,

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Speaker 1: you wouldn't have to beat your chest very hard.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, Jesus also you know called the phariseason, the Sadducees

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Speaker 3: whitewashed tombs and condemned them for instead of praying in private,

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Speaker 3: would go out to the street and public display, public

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Speaker 3: display of.

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Speaker 1: You know, that is a very stunning indictment of our

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Speaker 1: political class. And if you're elected and you're listening, I

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Speaker 1: want you to say it one more time, one more time.

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Speaker 1: Please can we have another chorus? Please one more time?

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Speaker 1: Can we do it again? Please talk about that because

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Speaker 1: that is so apropost of my feeling today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're.

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Speaker 3: Go ahead, come on now now when Jesus this is

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Speaker 3: an indictment for Christians and politicians alike, for you know,

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Speaker 3: Jesus said, Uh, you don't need to go out in

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Speaker 3: the public square and wail and uh and.

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Speaker 1: Pray and make a display.

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Speaker 3: Well, the funny thing is that that those those people

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Speaker 3: were going out and using their prayer to condemn others

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Speaker 3: or to make themselves look better than others, instead of

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Speaker 3: being authentic with God.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: In their own time, they had to use their their

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Speaker 3: religious position to beat other people on on the head.

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Speaker 3: In their religious position in that time was also a

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Speaker 3: political power because they exerted political power in their community

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Speaker 3: underneath the Romans, you know, they were they were recognized

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Speaker 3: as in.

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Speaker 1: Other religion and politics were separate.

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Speaker 2: They weren't.

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Speaker 1: They were one thing, one thing.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, So you know, I think that's why Christians can

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Speaker 3: shy away from politics or even talking about politics in

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Speaker 3: their Christian circles or at least at church, is because

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Speaker 3: they don't want to. They don't want to be they

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Speaker 3: don't want to be hypocritical. They want to you know,

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Speaker 3: have that privateness. But I think, you know, just just

632
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Speaker 3: talking about this generation is authenticity is so important. And

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Speaker 3: so if if a political person or even a pastor

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Speaker 3: or someone involved with a church, sometimes it hurts your

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Speaker 3: reach to have cameras on you because you have tainted

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Speaker 3: the ability to reach into your community without the community going, oh,

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Speaker 3: this is for publicity, not that recording everything that you know,

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Speaker 3: things that are going on, so you can encourage it.

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Speaker 2: I don't I don't want.

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Speaker 3: To go too far into this, but authenticity is so important.

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Speaker 3: I love it when politicians show up without a camera.

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Speaker 3: I love it when leaders show up without a camera

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Speaker 3: and get involved and encourage people to be a part

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Speaker 3: of something without needing the publicity of it. Obviously, I believe,

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Speaker 3: and I'm I'm a I'm a Christian part of a

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Speaker 3: big church, and we have plenty of cameras and plenty

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Speaker 3: of social media out you know, in a lot of

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Speaker 3: things that we do. And that's important because you want

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Speaker 3: to be able to encourage people to partake and be

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Speaker 3: a part of it and support what's going on. But

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Speaker 3: does your support end when the cameras are off?

652
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Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

653
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: This is a very like I say, you don't want

654
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 1: to go too far into it, but this is something

655
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: I have to deal with. We had Dan Schultz on

656
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 1: just last night, who was the progenitor of the preescinc strategy,

657
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: and Dan would like me to talk about political strategy

658
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: on every show for an hour and a half. So

659
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: on every show, you know, I do take the time

660
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: to say, Okay, what are we doing as a political community?

661
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: And I do say, and I do believe that this

662
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:42,240
Speaker 1: separation of church and state, it's there for a reason.

663
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: And the reason is is the founding fathers of this

664
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:49,280
Speaker 1: country at that time were critics of the church because

665
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: it was in collusion with the divine right and the

666
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: kings and queens that we're in this colonial power game

667
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: all over the world and it was corrupt. Well what

668
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,760
Speaker 1: did they do. They erected a new group of priests

669
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 1: called lawyers, and put lawyers in the place of the

670
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: priests and created a separation of church and state. What's

671
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:11,280
Speaker 1: happened over the two hundred plus years of our country

672
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: is now we have a secular religion. It has all

673
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: the hallmarks of a religion, has symbols like the flag,

674
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: it has great figures like George Washington. We have history,

675
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: we have ritual, we have George, but it has a

676
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: set of beliefs that are not anymore grounded in the

677
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: faith of our fathers, but in the scientific method. And

678
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 1: that transition happened in the last hundred years. And so

679
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 1: here we sit both of us, me on a political

680
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 1: angle and you from a religious angle, and we're really

681
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: trying to bring people back into authenticity, authenticity for personal authenticity.

682
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 2: Personal authenticity.

683
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 3: And you know, it's you can call it science, you

684
00:42:55,960 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 3: can call it whatever, but the ability, the ability to

685
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 3: share your life on social media. Everybody is a publisher.

686
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:12,479
Speaker 3: You know, everybody is a filmmaker. Nowadays. You know, whether

687
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:17,760
Speaker 3: you're filming your your kids in the yard or something

688
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 3: funny your cat or dog is doing, or you know,

689
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 3: your your social cred for you know, saving the environment,

690
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 3: whatever it is. I you know, I don't really there's

691
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 3: a million different ways to express that. But because everything

692
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 3: is publicized, everything is scrutinized, everything is out there for consumption.

693
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 3: But the the social cred you get for you know,

694
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 3: supporting one agenda or another on your social media becomes

695
00:43:52,280 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 3: like a way to wave your own flag, and it's

696
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 3: it's it's been an interesting re or evolution of society,

697
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 3: wouldn't you say, like having having so much technology, having

698
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 3: so much ability to get out there, every person that

699
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:20,879
Speaker 3: can can be a publisher of their own self, which

700
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 3: is not necessarily about I hope they have something good

701
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 3: to say, right right, I mean we could proliferate goodness.

702
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely. I mean the medium is not the medium

703
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 2: is not the not the.

704
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 1: It's the operators. Yeah, exactly, it's the operators. So you know,

705
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: it's it's like any other piece of technology. And I'm

706
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 1: just going to say this because I want this to

707
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: get out there, because things are politicized. I've been in

708
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 1: China a lot of times. Yeah, so you know what

709
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: in China, they have, yes, well they have. They have

710
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: this awful problem of human psychology because it's a faithless,

711
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: a faithless materialist culture. Not every single Chinese obviously, but

712
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: I'm saying generally speaking, it's a Marxist culture, which means

713
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 1: there's no spiritual it's material. That's Marxism. And if you

714
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: know Chinese people like I know Chinese people, you know,

715
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 1: they wake up and go to sleep thinking about how

716
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: to make money. In fact, someone like me who has faith,

717
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 1: they just think I'm stupid and they tell me so.

718
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: But in that society, when you have that kind of competition,

719
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 1: material competition, there's people that don't fit in that lose.

720
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 1: You can't have winners without losers. So guess what they

721
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: have a thing, a phenomenon in China of young men,

722
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:44,359
Speaker 1: I mean between twenty and forty going into schools and

723
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: killing children, the same thing. But there's no guns in China.

724
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 1: You know how they do it. They do it with knives.

725
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: And there's cases where I'll going to a school and

726
00:45:55,640 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 1: kill fifteen twenty kids with a knife, and you know

727
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 1: there's all this nation if too, well, let's take all

728
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: the knives away, because they took all the guns away,

729
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: So they're no guns in China, but they still have

730
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: this horrible worldwide phenomenon where the disaffected could be a woman,

731
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: could be a man, could be somebody that has some

732
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: kind of a gender. We're seeing that some kind of

733
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 1: different kind of presentation self and every day we'll go

734
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Speaker 1: into an environment with children, the innocent, that is the

735
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: point of it, and kill them. So it happens in China.

736
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: So you'd say, well, wait a second, wait a second,

737
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: going back to a sharp our sharp, Yeah, something sick

738
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Speaker 1: with our civilization. He didn't say America. He actually said

739
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: our civilization. So if we want to look at this

740
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: as a worldwide community, it's a worldwide phenomenon, and so

741
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 1: what are we going to do about it? So your

742
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: answer to it, I think is pretty simple.

743
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 2: My answer is Jesus. My answer is a relationship with Jesus.

744
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 3: I'm not shy about that. You know, if anyone has

745
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 3: any questions about it, I'm happy to answer them because

746
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 3: the answer is not in self. It never will be

747
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:20,240
Speaker 3: because we're we're limited, we are imperfect, and we always

748
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 3: will be. And uh, it's not a crutch, that's a

749
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 3: that's a that's a realization that you will find if

750
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:32,760
Speaker 3: you are honest with yourself.

751
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: And at the same time, everyone's a publisher, everyone's a

752
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 1: star of their own life, and for most of us,

753
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 1: it's going to be hollow because you know, many show

754
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: up and few are chosen. Yeah, and you have to

755
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 1: really be in it, like you're at Free People Radio. Yes,

756
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: I would like to have millions of followers.

757
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 2: Absolutely would like to.

758
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 1: Break even here. Which by the way, if you need tires,

759
00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 1: you go to Target dot com, Get dot com. We're

760
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 1: going to put a little pitch in. But the point is, yeah,

761
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: we'd like. But how I view it is, I'm going

762
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: to do what I'm doing, and if these other things

763
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: come along, that's a blessing for me. But I'm not focused.

764
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Speaker 3: That's not the result. You're not looking for that result.

765
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 3: Your Your efforts are to have influence, to help change

766
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 3: people's minds, but also bring people together.

767
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: I get up every day and I say, what am

768
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 1: I supposed to do today? That's it? And I just

769
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 1: got into a kind of an argument with missus Professor

770
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 1: Pan you don't plan into the future. Well, you know,

771
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 1: you're such a risk taker, you know, you know, And

772
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: I thought to myself, Okay, I understand where you're coming from.

773
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 1: You're right from your perspective, not arguing with you. Fall

774
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I put my hand up yet. But the

775
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,879
Speaker 1: point I'm because to do what I do, you really

776
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: have to walk by faith and not by sight. So

777
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 1: whatever comes along and see I said, there's no past,

778
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 1: there's no future. Those things are We're just right here

779
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 1: right now. And so I when we do this here,

780
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: when I do this here for people, I'm not even

781
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: thinking about influence. I'm just trying to express what I

782
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 1: feel I'm supposed to do. I'm not thinking about outcomes.

783
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:25,760
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about process. What is my contribution to my community?

784
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: People go, well, this state's always going to be democrat.

785
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 1: I go, really, boy, you know, you really underestimate the

786
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 1: power of miracles, and we don't you know. So I'm

787
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 1: just saying, okay, I'm going to just keep and try

788
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 1: to meet you. And the subject on the table is

789
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 1: this is my walk today. What is going on? You're

790
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 1: actually telling me anecdotally from your perspective, there's a million

791
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 1: reasons why a million Christians don't want to participate in politics.

792
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,760
Speaker 3: Well, I think you just hit one of the biggest ones,

793
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 3: especially in this state, is why should I care? Minnesota

794
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 3: is always going to be a blue state. We can

795
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 3: have the biggest movement of conservatives out state that we

796
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:18,720
Speaker 3: ever had, we can have one hundred participation out state,

797
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 3: but we're never going to overcome the Metro vote. We're

798
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 3: never going to overcome you know. I hear that all

799
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 3: the time.

800
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 2: I hear you know.

801
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 3: I'm going to go vote probably, but it's not going

802
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 3: to matter because Minneapolis and Saint Paul are always gonna

803
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 3: always gonna drag the vote down. You know, I remember

804
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 3: watching on on election night this past year and and

805
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 3: watching some positive movement in the numbers with the local

806
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 3: and state votes, and then Hennepin County came in at

807
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 3: the end of ys when just deflated. Because it you know,

808
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 3: uh depends on on how willing you're you're able to

809
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,359
Speaker 3: imagine the links that other people will go to to win.

810
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 3: If you're willing to imagine it, you know, people are

811
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 3: going to go, uh, what does it matter because the

812
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 3: other side is cheating? Uh? Or or they've got a

813
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 3: thumb on the scale, or it doesn't matter because there's

814
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:34,359
Speaker 3: too many people that don't have any understanding of what's

815
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 3: going on, but they're politically motivated, and so they're they're

816
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 3: they're just going to continually be anti read anti Republican,

817
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:45,320
Speaker 3: anti whatever.

818
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 2: So I I see that.

819
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Speaker 3: You know, that's that's not really the case at at

820
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 3: our church. My my pastors are very motivated to talk

821
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 3: about the issues.

822
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 2: That are going on in our country.

823
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 3: And so, you know, every every election cycle we take

824
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 3: time to talk about the the major things that are

825
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 3: on the ballot. You know, you can talk about abortion,

826
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:25,760
Speaker 3: you can talk about this and that, but every every big,

827
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 3: big political conversation, you can find the answer in the Bible.

828
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 3: And so if you take that that issue and you

829
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 3: look at what these politicians or candidates have to say

830
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 3: about them, you can go, Okay, they agree with the Bible,

831
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 3: or they don't agree with the Bible. And that's that's

832
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:50,320
Speaker 3: our rule as a as a community, as a community

833
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 3: of faith is it's not about a party. It's about

834
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Speaker 3: how how closely are they aligned with what the Word

835
00:52:56,520 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 3: of God says, because that's not objective. That's objective according

836
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 3: to our faith of uh, it's not about what I feel,

837
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,720
Speaker 3: It's about how does it align with the Word of God.

838
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 3: But when when Christians try to participate and they fail

839
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:18,280
Speaker 3: over and over again. You know, the there's a normal

840
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 3: human The normal thing is to just withdraw or or

841
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:26,280
Speaker 3: to not engage.

842
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 1: You think it's a fairly wide phenomenon in the general

843
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 1: Christian community in this state that people are not political

844
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,799
Speaker 1: because if they're actually in a faith community, yeah, they are.

845
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:40,240
Speaker 2: Actually, it depends on the faith community. It depends.

846
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 3: I mean, there are there are denominations out there that

847
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 3: are very politically minded and or community minded. But there's

848
00:53:52,680 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 3: there's plenty of denominations of Christianity that are fairly left leaning,

849
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 3: and for whatever reason, left leaning ends up being very

850
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 3: associated with political action and community organized action and organizing. However,

851
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 3: and then you see more of a silent majority in

852
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 3: a right leaning community.

853
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 1: That's an interesting comment. I really find that fascinating. Yeah, so,

854
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: if I heard you correctly what you said, what I

855
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 1: think I heard you say was, which from my background

856
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 1: is kind of an oxymoron. But there's a left leaning

857
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 1: denomination in our state of people going to churches organized communities,

858
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 1: and the further left that community of faith is, the

859
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 1: more politically active they might be or seem to be.

860
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 2: It seems like it to you anecdotally.

861
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: Again, and then on the other side of the spectrum,

862
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 1: people that are living in a more traditional frame in

863
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: faith communities. For some reason, that's it. Level of political

864
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Speaker 1: organization and activity is not there well.

865
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Speaker 2: And I think part of it is because they're minding

866
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 2: their own business.

867
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Speaker 1: You know.

868
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 3: They they're like, I'm not bothering you. You're not bothering me.

869
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: Uh, they are bothering me?

870
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 2: Oh they are.

871
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I mean, I obviously I have some

872
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 3: political opinions, but I believe and this is this is

873
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 3: from a faith perspective, if you do not use your power,

874
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 3: and we are, as as believers called to engage the

875
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 3: authority that we're given. As a as an American, as

876
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 3: a Minnesotan, I have the authority to vote. I have

877
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 3: the authority to cast my one vote. If I do

878
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 3: not cast it, I am abdicating my voice to someone else,

879
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 3: and very likely that someone else is not going to

880
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 3: agree with me. So my silence is not speaking loudly,

881
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 3: My silence is not supporting anybody. My silence is an

882
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 3: abdication of the power that God has given me. And

883
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 3: as an American citizen and a Minnesota citizen, and as

884
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 3: a Christian, and as a Christian, if I do not.

885
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 3: If I do not participate and use my voice and

886
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 3: use my vote, that is an abdication of my responsibility

887
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:27,360
Speaker 3: to affect my community in a way.

888
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 2: That should be used.

889
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 3: So I find that to be a problem. I don't

890
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:41,800
Speaker 3: appreciate the silent majority because the silent majority needs to awaken.

891
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 1: And I do want to say to the politicians that

892
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 1: are listening, you know we do kind of now. I

893
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 1: don't want to say we because it's not me, but

894
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 1: some of y'all give a reason for these Christian Conservative

895
00:56:56,440 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 1: people not to vote because we lie to them. I mean,

896
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 1: our party is lying constantly. If you're in a politician

897
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 1: that lies, you know who you are and you know

898
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: what lies you're telling. And this is why I say

899
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 1: I can get along with anybody. They don't have to

900
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 1: agree with me, just don't lie to me. And it's

901
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 1: not that it's personal, because after all, if you want

902
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 1: to be a liar, that's between you and yourself. I'm

903
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: looking at it politically, back to the issue of authenticity.

904
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 1: Authenticity because people, I think when you're a minority party

905
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 1: and you're trying to be fishers of men and women

906
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 1: to build your ranks so that you can achieve your goals.

907
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 1: How are you going to Tanner? You're young people. You

908
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 1: know what authenticity is all about. You know what politicians

909
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 1: are b esing. Does that draw your generation of young

910
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: people into the political process when you're looking at Lion?

911
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 2: Of course not no.

912
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 4: In our generation, I feel like there's been quite a

913
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 4: transition that we crave authenticity now.

914
00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 2: We're so sick of anything being fake.

915
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 1: We got we got this full political culture like praying

916
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 1: about every you know, pray, pray, pray you know what,

917
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 1: just what and pray great walk by faith and not

918
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 1: by sight. And you won't have to tell us to pray.

919
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 1: You'll be an example of prayer.

920
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 3: I would love to I would love to have one

921
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 3: of these Republican leaders when they have time at the podium,

922
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 3: say okay, let's pray.

923
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 2: But do you think they're going to It happens.

924
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 1: It happens. But let me tell you oh no, no, no, no, no,

925
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 1: no no no no. Let me shot you right, because

926
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 1: I'm in the party, the Republican Party praise before every meeting. Okay,

927
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 1: And I'm going to tell you what makes me angry

928
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 1: about this. If you're going to pray in the name

929
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 1: of Jesus that the meeting brings about his will and elects,

930
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 1: his chosen and his elect and we have this beautiful benediction,

931
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 1: and then once that's over, for the next two hours,

932
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 1: everybody's full of it. You know what you're really in

933
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 1: my opinion, and I'm very firm about this, there is

934
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:14,959
Speaker 1: a biblical prohibition about using the Lord's name in vain.

935
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 1: Now people think that this is about swearing, you are.

936
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 1: I think it's dangerous for our entire community. You want hailing,

937
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 1: you want fire and brimstone, Keep wrapping unholy goals in

938
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: the cloth of Christ, because that is going to bring

939
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 1: in my opinion, looking historically, I think that's really I

940
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 1: don't like. So, you know, Republican Party leadership, you know,

941
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 1: elected officials, if we're going to be a secular party

942
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 1: because we have a baby chap separation, God forbid, we're

943
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 1: white Christo nationalists. My goodness gracious that some Christians might

944
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 1: get involved in politics, oh, because we got all these secularists.

945
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 1: Secularist is if that's not a religion, it is a.

946
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 2: Religion putting your faith in something.

947
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 1: It's an anti Christian worldview, which is another way of

948
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 1: saying antichrist worldview. So we do have a separation of

949
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 1: faith believers, but their lack of participation, that void has

950
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 1: been filled by people that have a very clear ideology.

951
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 1: And so if we're Republicans and we have our leadership, man,

952
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 1: if we're going to pray before the meetings, could we

953
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 1: please please? I'm asking, can we be serious about it?

954
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 1: The first step? We don't have to agree with each other.

955
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 1: Let's not lie. Let's tell the people the truth.

956
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 2: Sure.

957
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 1: Now do I know the truth? No, but I know

958
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 1: I'm searching for truth that's different than specifically and with

959
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 1: intent misleading the people. And we do so much of

960
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 1: that politically. And that is the lack of authenticity which

961
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 1: is running off the young Oh yeah, non religious of

962
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 1: Tanners generation, but also worth you're saying it's probably.

963
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 3: Turning off, so it'll it'll turn off more and more.

964
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously our generations grow up. But I've been

965
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 3: seeing this. I started becoming aware of this while I

966
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 3: was in youth ministry with different different topics that that

967
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 3: come up in evangelical youth ministry, Like I mean, I'm

968
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 3: I'm I don't I don't drink alcohol. That's just my

969
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 3: personal experience and what I've seen, and it doesn't. It

970
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 3: doesn't lead me to go I want, I want to

971
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 3: have this in my life. However, if you start teaching

972
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 3: your youth that that drinking alcohol is a sin, and

973
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 3: you know God is going to strike you down with

974
01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:00,160
Speaker 3: a with a drunk driver or you're gonna be a

975
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 3: drunk driver, and you know God's going to do this

976
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 3: or what that to you because of you know this activity,

977
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 3: well it's not because of your you know that God's

978
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 3: doing it to you. It's poor choice on your part.

979
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 3: But if if a high schooler goes to goes to

980
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 3: a party and has a beer and God doesn't strike

981
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 3: them down immediately because they touched alcohol, you're going to

982
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 3: start to think that either you're you're a youth leader

983
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:33,439
Speaker 3: or God is a liar, you know, and you start

984
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 3: lying on behalf of someone else.

985
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 2: Again.

986
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:40,640
Speaker 3: I think that alcohol is generally for me, it's it's

987
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 3: not part of my life. But to tell someone that

988
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 3: you know it's a sin in God's eyes, you know,

989
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 3: this isn't This isn't what the podcast is about, obviously,

990
01:02:51,320 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 3: But when we continue to use God's name to say

991
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:05,919
Speaker 3: something that God hasn't said, you will have bad results.

992
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 3: I think that's that's where I'm trying to get.

993
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 1: I think that was very aptly said. And if that's

994
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 1: all this podcast is about, and we could just move

995
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 1: the ball up the field one yard with that idea,

996
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 1: let us not present. I will not. I'm not going

997
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 1: to speak for anybody but myself. I am not going

998
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 1: to presume that I know what God is thinking. I

999
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 1: know what he has written, I know how to pray,

1000
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 1: but I mean, I don't know God's plan. So I,

1001
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:34,960
Speaker 1: like I said, I just get up every day. I

1002
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 1: actually woke up perfect examples this morning. You know, we

1003
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 1: kind of had a hard time getting this scheduled and

1004
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 1: and Tanner told me it was Thursday morning, and we

1005
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 1: did two podcasts on Tuesday, and I thought, well, I'm

1006
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:51,440
Speaker 1: off until next week. I've been thinking because I don't

1007
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 1: have to do a script. And I woke up this morning.

1008
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 1: You know, it's like six o'clock and this is great.

1009
01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 1: I don't have to go in this day. Oh my gosh,

1010
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 1: I got to get up and get to the studio.

1011
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 1: I got John Gap in today. I've got this program

1012
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 1: that and then I started then my brain engage. What

1013
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:08,280
Speaker 1: are we going to talk about? And we're talking about

1014
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 1: I think right now the most important issue of this moment,

1015
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 1: which is in times of tragedy, and I don't want

1016
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 1: to talk about it because I'm from that private, but

1017
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 1: in times of tragedy, using tragedy politically, yeah, it's a

1018
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 1: very dangerous thing today, it is.

1019
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:35,920
Speaker 3: I I couldn't agree more. I think the as a believer,

1020
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:39,920
Speaker 3: you know, I think we should engage in prayer, we

1021
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 3: should ask for the Lord's presence in the in the

1022
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 3: life of the victims. I think we should take stock

1023
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 3: in what has led us to this place. So, yeah,

1024
01:04:54,760 --> 01:05:01,080
Speaker 3: there's there's a little bit more private U private response,

1025
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:05,120
Speaker 3: but I guess that's that's the question, and maybe maybe

1026
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 3: this is what we need to talk about. What should

1027
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 3: our leaders, how should they lead in these moments?

1028
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:15,880
Speaker 2: What should be done?

1029
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 3: And I think part of it, you know, the.

1030
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 2: The aftermath is how did we get here?

1031
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 1: You know?

1032
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:29,200
Speaker 3: And maybe as a as a civilization, as a Reverend

1033
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 3: Sharpton you know, pointed out what's going on in our

1034
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 3: civilization that's led us to this this place.

1035
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 2: But what should a leader.

1036
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 3: Be doing, David with with this moment, in this moment,

1037
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 3: I think our you know, our church is going to

1038
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 3: be praying for the victims, praying, playing, praying for those families,

1039
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 3: that that God brings them peace, that help them through

1040
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:03,560
Speaker 3: the process of greening. You know, I think that's Uh,

1041
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:06,560
Speaker 3: you can over spiritualize, you know, moving on. But you know,

1042
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 3: God talks about being with the grieving, being with the

1043
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:15,520
Speaker 3: people in the time of sorrow. So I people are

1044
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 3: looking for leadership though in these times. How how do

1045
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:25,680
Speaker 3: you lead authentically when something like this happens? Uh, you know,

1046
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 3: I know the I know there's one side of the

1047
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:34,080
Speaker 3: conversation is going to say this is another reason to

1048
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 3: to outlaw firearms. You know, this is and uh in

1049
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:42,320
Speaker 3: it right back the the pro two a is going

1050
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:45,640
Speaker 3: to say this is a reason to have firearms in

1051
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 3: every church.

1052
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 1: It's very it's a very divisive issue, right, It's like

1053
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 1: so many of these other see and this this and

1054
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:54,880
Speaker 1: I and I predicted I did a little preface. I said, hey,

1055
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:57,439
Speaker 1: there's no guns in China, right, and they're killing kids

1056
01:06:57,480 --> 01:06:58,400
Speaker 1: wholesale over there.

1057
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 3: So in fact, Hanner, the UK, UK they're they're having

1058
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 3: they're having violence all over the place and there's no

1059
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 3: there's no guns. I mean, they have a strict laws

1060
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 3: on how big of a knife you can have.

1061
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:13,160
Speaker 1: You know what, we can kill each other with our hands, right,

1062
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:16,280
Speaker 1: you know, but you're gonna like this tanner. In China,

1063
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:20,120
Speaker 1: there's so many of these knife incidents in schools that

1064
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:25,480
Speaker 1: every school has several. They're like forks, giant forks. They're

1065
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:27,920
Speaker 1: like six foot long, looks like a fork with the

1066
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:29,080
Speaker 1: middle prong taken out.

1067
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Speaker 2: It's like a yeah.

1068
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 1: And then with the idea is if there's a murderer

1069
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 1: comes in there with a knife, one of the teachers

1070
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:39,600
Speaker 1: can get that fork and just no, just take pin

1071
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:43,640
Speaker 1: them against the wall until the police come. Every school

1072
01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:48,200
Speaker 1: has that, that's there, that's their school defense. But you know,

1073
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:57,680
Speaker 1: the the the divisiveness of every issue keeps the people separated. Yeah,

1074
01:07:57,720 --> 01:08:01,280
Speaker 1: this is the divide another just another divide cock. And

1075
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Speaker 1: so then those poor sufferers become used, which is why

1076
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Speaker 1: I'm not commenting on too much because I don't want

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Speaker 1: to use these people. I mean, you know, never let

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Speaker 1: a crisis go to waste. No, No, I don't want

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Speaker 1: to use the crisis. So the issue is what brings

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Speaker 1: people together. I mean, you know, I know we could

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Speaker 1: sit down, you could come back in a few weeks,

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Speaker 1: we could talk for three hours about the civilizational issues

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Speaker 1: from your perspective because you work with children, so you

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Speaker 1: understand something about this. But to me, it's like, Okay, Christians,

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Speaker 1: what is going to make you get off the bench?

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're not even voting. You know, I want

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Speaker 1: every Christian that's in your community that's hearing this, I

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01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:48,120
Speaker 1: would like you to join the Republican Party. You're going

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01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:49,800
Speaker 1: to say, how do I do it? Well, you find

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01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 1: your local Republican committee. You call the headman, they're called

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Speaker 1: the chair of the committee, and say, my name is

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Speaker 1: so and so, I'm a Republican and I want to

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Speaker 1: help elect republic Can I come to the next meeting.

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01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:04,760
Speaker 1: You don't even have to be on the committee. You

1095
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 1: just need to show up and start to hang out

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01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 1: and figure out what's going on. We've got some mutual

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01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:15,680
Speaker 1: friends that up in your area, because I know some

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Speaker 1: of these.

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Speaker 2: People up there.

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Speaker 1: You know, we're not mentioned in the names, but they're

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01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:22,639
Speaker 1: up there, tried it, and they're they're checking it out,

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Speaker 1: and I know how it's going. Here's how it's going

1103
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:29,080
Speaker 1: because they're good people. They're trying to blend in, they're

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Speaker 1: trying to see it's an interesting process. If you maintain

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01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:39,320
Speaker 1: your authenticity, the party will move to remove you because

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Speaker 1: it's not authentic, and that's why we're losing. Okay, just

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01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:48,320
Speaker 1: that simple, elected officials. When you are authentic, the entire

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01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:52,280
Speaker 1: community will recognize it, and then you'll embrace everybody because

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Speaker 1: we'll find issues authentic issues, like, for example, religious freedom.

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Speaker 1: That's a really good you know, you walk up to

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01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:03,160
Speaker 1: people to say, do you believe in religious freedom? And

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Speaker 1: someone will say, yeah, I'm an atheist. Can I be

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Speaker 1: free to be? Yes, you can't. We're in a republican country.

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Speaker 1: We're so bad ass about our faith that we're happy

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Speaker 1: with you being faithless. That's okay. We hope you find faith.

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01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 1: But if you want to be faithless, go ahead. That's

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01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:22,479
Speaker 1: between you and whatever you're doing.

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Speaker 2: Right in the universe.

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Speaker 1: Yes, right right your heart. But you know, when we're authentic,

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Speaker 1: what I think what Christians have got to be craving

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Speaker 1: politically is authenticity.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Would they not become more motivated to participate?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: And how do we foster that? Well, Christians, when you

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Speaker 1: get into the process and you become delegates, you get

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01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:53,479
Speaker 1: to vote for who becomes elected, So you become the

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Speaker 1: guy with the vote. The most important person in the room.

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Speaker 1: So you say, well, the people aren't authentic. They lie

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Speaker 1: to me. I don't like it. I want to participate.

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01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 1: They're only there because you're not there. When you're there,

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01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:07,639
Speaker 1: you are the vetting process to be sure that and what.

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01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:11,040
Speaker 1: And then you get into now, now you're really doing politics,

1134
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:15,320
Speaker 1: because authenticity has a lot of dimensions. So you could

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01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:16,200
Speaker 1: come back now, I got a.

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Speaker 2: Third podcast for you. Yeah, because we've.

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01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:21,679
Speaker 1: Got the issues of for example, Israel and the Christian

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01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:23,719
Speaker 1: faith and all the different I mean, there's so many

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01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:27,280
Speaker 1: things to discuss. There's so we go.

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Speaker 3: We're talking a lot about that. I do a do

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01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:38,800
Speaker 3: another podcast, weekly Final Hour Podcast, and we we talk.

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Speaker 1: Where does the audience find that.

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01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:43,280
Speaker 3: You can go to YouTube, you can go to anywhere

1144
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:47,599
Speaker 3: you find podcasts, but the Final Hour Podcast dot com

1145
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:49,000
Speaker 3: is our our web page.

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01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:51,679
Speaker 2: Right, we'll have everything in the description. Guys, just look

1147
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:53,800
Speaker 2: in the video description. Well, we'll have all the tags.

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Speaker 1: And if you if you're a Professor Penn audience member

1149
01:11:56,920 --> 01:11:59,120
Speaker 1: and you happen to leave my audience and go over

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01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:01,639
Speaker 1: to John's audio, I'm okay with that.

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01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:04,360
Speaker 2: I prefer we have both. They go to both.

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01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:06,040
Speaker 1: Well, you know, the reason why I say that is

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01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:09,599
Speaker 1: I do. I make a lot of guest appearances and people.

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01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:13,400
Speaker 1: You know, we're all we're hanging on to our audience. Man. No, No,

1155
01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:16,120
Speaker 1: this is a movement of people. We got to grow.

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01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:19,000
Speaker 1: We have to be fishers of men. So what And

1157
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:20,439
Speaker 1: you know in the car business, you know what they

1158
01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:23,280
Speaker 1: say in the car business, for every ass there's a seat,

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01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:27,120
Speaker 1: So you know, there's a.

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Speaker 2: Lot of people that might like kickers and welcome of.

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01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:33,439
Speaker 1: Course, because what we want to do is we want

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01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:38,240
Speaker 1: everyone to find a community where their personal spiritual need

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01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:41,040
Speaker 1: is satisfied at that moment and it changes over time.

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Speaker 1: Perfect example, I used to listen and I do like

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01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:46,439
Speaker 1: Steve Bannon and I used to listen to War Room.

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01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:49,840
Speaker 1: I never missed an episode, and I still check it

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01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:51,559
Speaker 1: out because I want to keep up because it's such

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01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:55,080
Speaker 1: a great leader. But it's not an everyday thing anymore.

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01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:57,280
Speaker 1: I was telling you before. I used to listen to

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Speaker 1: Reverend Kenneth Hagen. Every I listened to I never missed

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Speaker 1: the day. In fact, I bought his tapes because this

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01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:07,240
Speaker 1: was in the day of cassette tapes, and I never

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01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:08,720
Speaker 1: got in a car with all listening to.

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01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:10,839
Speaker 2: His tapes of cassettes.

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Speaker 1: Cassette tapes right, and I was in his community, and

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Speaker 1: I haven't. I used to listen to Bob Marley every day,

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Speaker 1: another preacher, and I don't listen to Bob Marley too

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01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:25,559
Speaker 1: much anymore. So we go through these different phases where

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01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:28,880
Speaker 1: we're nourished by different mentors. We don't need to be

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01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:29,759
Speaker 1: afraid of that.

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Speaker 2: No, we want to embrace that absolutely.

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Speaker 3: I think that's you know, that's a product of isolationists,

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01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:39,280
Speaker 3: where you're afraid of other voices getting out there and

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Speaker 3: usurping your voice.

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Speaker 2: I think I think we have more in common than

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Speaker 2: we don't.

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Speaker 1: Well, let me just make it simple to the extent

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Speaker 1: that it could not be my voice, I will be

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Speaker 1: succeeding to the extent that it's my voice. I look

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Speaker 1: back like we had a meeting last night. Every two weeks,

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Speaker 1: I was saying at Devani's on Highway seven and SD

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Speaker 1: forty five. So that'll be September tenth, I think is

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Speaker 1: the next meeting, and you're invited. And I left the

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01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:09,920
Speaker 1: meeting and I thought, man, you sucked tonight because you know,

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01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:13,080
Speaker 1: you were so personal. Because I've had these meetings and

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01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:15,479
Speaker 1: every time I have these meetings. The constabulary I like

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01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:18,599
Speaker 1: to call them, sends their agents to see what I'm doing.

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Speaker 1: And then you know, I'm I'm triggered by these people

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Speaker 1: because they're not authentic and they're not telling me the truth,

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Speaker 1: and they're not telling my fellow community member and I

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01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:33,760
Speaker 1: and then I get personal and I thought, man, you

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01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:38,320
Speaker 1: pen you sucked tonight. So to the extent that I

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01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:43,800
Speaker 1: can put aside my childish ways and try to represent,

1204
01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:51,400
Speaker 1: try to represent authentically, then I feel like I'm trying

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01:14:51,439 --> 01:14:54,240
Speaker 1: to really listen to you, and I still could get

1206
01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:58,840
Speaker 1: a lot better because this conversation is a spiritual opportunity,

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01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:02,040
Speaker 1: so to is going to put your socials in the

1208
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 1: in the what do you call that in the description

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01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:08,640
Speaker 1: of the podcast the description description. Now we are on

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Speaker 1: Spotify and Apple Podcasts and Rumble and YouTube and on

1211
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:18,640
Speaker 1: acts and we're now syndicated on iHeartRadio, so we're everywhere.

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01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:21,559
Speaker 1: We're out there, and you know, we want to get

1213
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:23,080
Speaker 1: the word out and I want you to know you

1214
01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:24,960
Speaker 1: always well to come back because this is just the

1215
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:29,040
Speaker 1: first chapter, right And what I'm taking away from this

1216
01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:31,240
Speaker 1: is because we're going to this is kind of getting

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01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:36,800
Speaker 1: towards the conclusion your anecdotal experiences, there are Christians you're

1218
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:40,080
Speaker 1: actually supporting what people in the party are saying to me.

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01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:44,080
Speaker 1: There disengage Christians who.

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Speaker 2: Are faithful, very faithful.

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Speaker 1: Probably understand that there are powers and principalities aligned against

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01:15:49,479 --> 01:15:54,519
Speaker 1: their faith, but they have decided not to engage in

1223
01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:57,519
Speaker 1: the political process for a variety of reasons. How do

1224
01:15:57,560 --> 01:15:59,880
Speaker 1: we get them engaged? John, What do we do?

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01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:00,759
Speaker 2: I think.

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Speaker 3: I think they need to understand and this is what's happened.

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Speaker 3: And I've seen people get more engaged in the Northwest metro,

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01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:15,360
Speaker 3: especially through these school board elections, is to see what's

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01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:20,360
Speaker 3: happening when you don't use your voice, when you don't

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01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:29,519
Speaker 3: take your authority seriously. In one school cycle in it

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Speaker 3: was twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, the school board had

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01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:41,960
Speaker 3: a four to two, probably left leaning majority, and they

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01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:50,200
Speaker 3: pushed through some ideologies, some transgender ideologies in just a

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01:16:50,240 --> 01:16:52,880
Speaker 3: few sessions. And I mean they just they just ran

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01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:57,040
Speaker 3: roughshod over what the community was saying they didn't want.

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01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:03,440
Speaker 3: And that's what happens when you disengage from the process

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01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:07,479
Speaker 3: of representing yourself, representing your family, and protecting.

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Speaker 2: What you know.

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01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:12,200
Speaker 3: We I believe in it, and we as a community

1240
01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:15,960
Speaker 3: at our church, we believe that God has given us

1241
01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:19,280
Speaker 3: united the United States of America, to do good things,

1242
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:24,880
Speaker 3: to do great things, to have the freedom to stand

1243
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:27,920
Speaker 3: up for people all over the world, but especially in

1244
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:31,080
Speaker 3: our community. If you don't stand up for yourself, you

1245
01:17:31,320 --> 01:17:35,120
Speaker 3: are letting your children down. You're letting your children down

1246
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:39,680
Speaker 3: in your local elections and your school board elections, in

1247
01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:43,479
Speaker 3: your state elections, in your national elections. If you want

1248
01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:48,639
Speaker 3: your children to have a future in this country, you

1249
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:53,639
Speaker 3: must stand up and be heard, just as.

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Speaker 1: Simple as all that. Yeah, So, then how people square

1251
01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:58,920
Speaker 1: that circle? Because they know that right, or maybe they

1252
01:17:58,920 --> 01:17:59,439
Speaker 1: don't know it.

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01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:02,200
Speaker 3: Maybe well, I think maybe they don't. I think there's

1254
01:18:02,240 --> 01:18:06,040
Speaker 3: a lot of things that that gets swept under the

1255
01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:12,439
Speaker 3: rug and is not publicized or and maybe this is

1256
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:16,200
Speaker 3: this is part of the problem too, is people are

1257
01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:22,360
Speaker 3: tuning out of tuning, tuning out from legacy media and

1258
01:18:22,439 --> 01:18:25,160
Speaker 3: so that they aren't hearing anything.

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Speaker 1: Bob Marley is booming in my head. I haven't thought

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01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:29,519
Speaker 1: about Bobby. He's got this beautiful song where he says

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01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:33,719
Speaker 1: most people think great God will come from the sky,

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01:18:34,439 --> 01:18:38,960
Speaker 1: take away everything and make everyone feel high. And you know,

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01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:42,559
Speaker 1: I see these ministers preach and they say, I am

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01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:45,960
Speaker 1: not a citizen of the United States of America. I'm

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01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:48,960
Speaker 1: a citizen of have it. Yeah and see that to me?

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Speaker 2: Well, they're not at odds.

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Speaker 1: Okay, great? Can you square that circle for these people?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 3: Sure, I mean, like I said, you can be said

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01:19:01,160 --> 01:19:04,759
Speaker 3: that you you should be as a citizen of Heaven.

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01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:13,520
Speaker 3: Understand the the idea of authority, uh and uh In

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Speaker 3: in the New Testament, Jesus had the centurion. He understood

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01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:21,400
Speaker 3: authority that if if Jesus would say that his daughter

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01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:25,240
Speaker 3: was was well or was it as his servant. Either way,

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01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:28,360
Speaker 3: if if Jesus would say it, it will be done.

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01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:33,240
Speaker 3: Because Jesus had authority. You, as a Christian, you have

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01:19:33,479 --> 01:19:39,280
Speaker 3: authority to cast your vote. You have the authority and

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01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:43,519
Speaker 3: and really the responsibility to talk to people about right

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01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:48,520
Speaker 3: and wrong, not necessarily to criticize and judge, but to

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01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:51,439
Speaker 3: to discuss. You know, the Bible invites us to uh

1281
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:55,479
Speaker 3: come and reason together. Let's let's reason through what's going

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Speaker 3: on in our community.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 3: Not not with a judgmental idea, but let's get to

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01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:05,000
Speaker 3: the bottom of this. Let's let's find some harmony. Between

1286
01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:08,400
Speaker 3: you and I so that we can move forward positively.

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Speaker 3: That's let's let's move forward. But as a Christian, you

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01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:15,599
Speaker 3: have that responsibility to cast your vote in a way

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01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:20,280
Speaker 3: that's going to glorify God and bring peace to your community.

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Speaker 1: And to the extent that you don't, and to.

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Speaker 2: The extent you don't, you will find yourself without.

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Speaker 1: Peace because the void will be filled, it.

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Speaker 3: Will be filled with someone else's voice, if your power.

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Speaker 1: Let's go a little farther. Yeah, If good people don't participate,

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Speaker 1: the people that are left to participate are not good. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, that's just the way that you can just

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Speaker 1: see and what what what is the thing? You know?

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Speaker 2: You know them from their fruits. You will know thirty.

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Speaker 1: Seven trillion dollars a debt and my country has been

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Speaker 1: at war my entire life, my entire life, right, I

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Speaker 1: mean the only time there's been piece as I call

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Speaker 1: that as a period of rearmament. So if we're at

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Speaker 1: war and we're in debt and that's the outcome, couldn't

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Speaker 1: we all good people understand that there's the parable of

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Speaker 1: the servants. I mean, you know, the servant that you

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Speaker 1: know didn't add to the.

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Speaker 3: Pot and buried it in the ground and said, I'll

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Speaker 3: it's right there. I'll show him when he gets back.

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01:21:25,960 --> 01:21:28,400
Speaker 3: And what happened, He said, get out of here. And

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Speaker 3: you know, basically.

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Speaker 2: You're a bad steward. You're a bad, bad steward, bad servant.

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Speaker 1: And so what we have here is my entire life,

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Speaker 1: this degradation of as Reverend al said, of our civilization.

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Speaker 1: And we're not we're not motivated as believers to do

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Speaker 1: everything we can. I don't. I mean, I have a

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Speaker 1: hard time with it. And what you're saying is you're

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Speaker 1: saying in a beautiful way, you're saying that cast in

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Speaker 1: that vote is a responsibility.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely.

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, we're called to pray for peace, uh

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Speaker 3: you know, and and even uh pursue peace in our

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Speaker 3: in our lives, and and that that's a that's a

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Speaker 3: good aim according to the Bible, that that your family

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01:22:23,479 --> 01:22:25,400
Speaker 3: would live in a time and in a place that

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Speaker 3: is peaceful.

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Speaker 2: But that doesn't happen on accident.

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Speaker 1: So here we are, we're talking the day after this

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Speaker 1: terrible event. We're not talking about the event, no, but

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01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:36,599
Speaker 1: all we're doing is talking about the event with all

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Speaker 1: talking about the event. Yeah, because I'm not going to

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01:22:38,760 --> 01:22:41,440
Speaker 1: use that. No, we're because we could have this conversation.

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Speaker 1: We were going to have this conversation if we didn't

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01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:49,000
Speaker 1: have this awful tragedy. Right, it's the same conversation because

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01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:52,960
Speaker 1: there's a thousand diseases and there really is one cure.

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Speaker 1: There's only one, you know, and I agree with you both. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you know what we're trying to do in the Republicanism.

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Speaker 1: The walk of the republic is to get people to

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01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:06,120
Speaker 1: understand that there is a cure. But it is required

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01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:07,960
Speaker 1: each one of us to be responsible.

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Speaker 2: Well, hey, for our own lives.

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Speaker 3: Professor Penn, you cannot. You can't want freedom to to

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Speaker 3: live in a freedom, a free country without the responsibility

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01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:28,000
Speaker 3: to continue to build it. And if you don't continue

1344
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:32,880
Speaker 3: the process of liberty, and that's truly what freedom is,

1345
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:38,000
Speaker 3: is liberty. If you are not taking your part and

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01:23:38,040 --> 01:23:43,559
Speaker 3: being responsible for it, then you don't truly want liberty.

1347
01:23:44,200 --> 01:23:49,080
Speaker 3: You are wanting you're wanting a handout, you're wanting socialized risks,

1348
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:56,519
Speaker 3: socialized Yeah, absolutely, social and liberty and freedom requires work.

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01:23:57,439 --> 01:24:00,080
Speaker 3: It doesn't it doesn't happen without work.

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01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:02,839
Speaker 1: Well, you know, it was funny because for the boomers,

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01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:04,479
Speaker 1: when we woke when we woke up there in the

1352
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:07,320
Speaker 1: sixties and everybody let it all hang out, you know,

1353
01:24:07,479 --> 01:24:10,559
Speaker 1: and you know, men started growing their hair long, everybody's

1354
01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:13,880
Speaker 1: getting high. Sex was free, I mean it was you know,

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01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:17,000
Speaker 1: it was a free for all. And you know, I

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01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:20,439
Speaker 1: thought to myself at the time, this is freedom, because

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01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:23,479
Speaker 1: that's what they told me. Well, actually, what freedom is

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01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:27,760
Speaker 1: for me, what liberty is for me is discovering the

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01:24:27,880 --> 01:24:31,320
Speaker 1: natural laws and rules that are here, because freedom is

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01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:35,400
Speaker 1: being in harmony with those rules and those laws and

1361
01:24:35,479 --> 01:24:38,400
Speaker 1: were you know. You know, I've had five kids. Every

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01:24:38,439 --> 01:24:40,679
Speaker 1: one of them crawled on the floor and put everything

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01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:43,519
Speaker 1: in their mouth, and then you run over as a parent,

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01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:45,800
Speaker 1: go you can't do that because they're putting it into

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01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:49,240
Speaker 1: the test tube. Well, we've had this civilization. We have

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01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:55,519
Speaker 1: just experimented with one hundred and twenty years of progressivism,

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01:24:56,479 --> 01:24:59,559
Speaker 1: which goes back into the European intellectual transition, which was

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01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:03,920
Speaker 1: anti Christian. We've experimented for close to two hundred years

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Speaker 1: now with this. Not to say there wasn't lack of

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Speaker 1: faith all the way back to where the Israelites came

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Speaker 1: out of Egypt, because when Moses was up on the mountain,

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Speaker 1: they built a golden clisson to us, right, you know,

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01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:18,400
Speaker 1: so this is not but we've turned this into an

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Speaker 1: art form, this kind of experiment, and you look at

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01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:25,360
Speaker 1: the outcome. I mean, I'm just saying, hey, if you're Christian,

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01:25:25,400 --> 01:25:28,040
Speaker 1: if you're you a Muslim, an atheist, look at the

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01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:34,280
Speaker 1: outcome that we saw right here in our face right now. Oh,

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01:25:34,360 --> 01:25:38,679
Speaker 1: let's pray, you know great first of all, and say

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Speaker 1: that John, you can come back. We could just have

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01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:42,360
Speaker 1: an hour and a half on how do you pray?

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01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:44,840
Speaker 1: Because there's a mechanism to it, there is. It just

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01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:48,240
Speaker 1: is not like oh please, and like you're tugging on

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01:25:48,360 --> 01:25:52,000
Speaker 1: God's pants. I don't think that works very good. And

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01:25:52,040 --> 01:25:54,840
Speaker 1: it's said, and I learned this from Kenneth Hagen, whatsoever

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01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:57,040
Speaker 1: you wish for when you pray, believe you received it

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01:25:57,080 --> 01:25:59,040
Speaker 1: and you shall have it. In other words, faith is

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01:25:59,080 --> 01:26:03,160
Speaker 1: a big part of it. So you know, what are

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01:26:03,160 --> 01:26:06,040
Speaker 1: we going to do about this? And I hope your

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01:26:06,040 --> 01:26:09,400
Speaker 1: community listens to this because I don't know how overtly

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01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:12,479
Speaker 1: political you get with your own community. But I mean

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01:26:12,479 --> 01:26:14,760
Speaker 1: I'm in your podcast a little bit, but I mean

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01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:21,320
Speaker 1: we are overtly saying please join your local community community.

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Speaker 2: That's where it starts.

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Speaker 1: Proselytize your friends, your family, your neighbors. You don't have

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01:26:26,360 --> 01:26:29,400
Speaker 1: to door knock. Now, one thing I think we I

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01:26:29,400 --> 01:26:31,880
Speaker 1: would like to talk to the church about because you

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01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:34,240
Speaker 1: made a comment, Well, it doesn't matter because of Hennepin

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Speaker 1: County and Ramsey County. I'm building an outreach in Hennepin County.

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Speaker 1: I mean seriously, brick by brick, person by person. I

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01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:47,040
Speaker 1: think because the Republican we were just we just had

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01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:49,960
Speaker 1: Laverne Turner on last week. What did Laverne say. The

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01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:54,040
Speaker 1: Republicans don't show up in Minneapolis. They're not here, they

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01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:56,960
Speaker 1: don't show up, they don't come. And they said, well, man,

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01:26:57,040 --> 01:26:58,320
Speaker 1: the community looks at that.

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01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:00,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they say they they don't.

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01:27:00,640 --> 01:27:04,040
Speaker 1: Care about us. Well we care. What can we do

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01:27:05,240 --> 01:27:08,120
Speaker 1: because your church is not that far from that community.

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01:27:08,280 --> 01:27:08,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.

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01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:11,040
Speaker 1: And I've been to your church and it is not

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01:27:11,960 --> 01:27:15,920
Speaker 1: a lily white community. It's a very diverse community, which

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01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:21,800
Speaker 1: is cool. It's cool. What can we do together to

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01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:25,000
Speaker 1: get into the belly of the beast and support the

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01:27:25,080 --> 01:27:30,400
Speaker 1: people who are people of Republicanism or of faith in

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01:27:30,439 --> 01:27:34,519
Speaker 1: that community. Because if we don't do that, those Christians

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01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:39,400
Speaker 1: are right. We can't win self fulfilling prophecy, so to speak. Fortunately,

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01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:41,960
Speaker 1: So I'm just going to task to let you think

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01:27:41,960 --> 01:27:45,000
Speaker 1: about that one, because that's what I think, that's where

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01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:47,439
Speaker 1: I think the action is is going right where we're

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01:27:47,439 --> 01:27:50,160
Speaker 1: not where we're afraid to go right.

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01:27:50,479 --> 01:27:55,960
Speaker 3: Well, and it's possible we won't ever take meaningful ground

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01:27:56,120 --> 01:28:01,480
Speaker 3: until we do spiritually and politically, both both sides, because.

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01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:04,639
Speaker 1: Another ideology is dominating.

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01:28:04,120 --> 01:28:07,360
Speaker 3: Dominating because it's really the only one that's having a voice.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you something that's going to sound crazy,

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01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:14,000
Speaker 1: but it's fun talking to you. I pray and I listen,

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01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:17,519
Speaker 1: and you know, I got a message. Yeah, it's a

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01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:22,120
Speaker 1: very simple message. Let my people go. Yeah, let my

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01:28:22,200 --> 01:28:26,640
Speaker 1: people go. They're my people, they're my fellow citizens of

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01:28:26,640 --> 01:28:30,320
Speaker 1: this great land, and we got to let these people

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01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:34,640
Speaker 1: need to be set free of an ideology that we

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01:28:34,680 --> 01:28:37,599
Speaker 1: look at the fruits of the ideology this week right

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01:28:37,640 --> 01:28:41,559
Speaker 1: in our face. Besides the fact that we're at war

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01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:44,599
Speaker 1: all over the world, and we're in debt, and our

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01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:51,120
Speaker 1: people are ill. We have a sick society, spend more

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01:28:51,160 --> 01:28:53,160
Speaker 1: money on healthcare than any other country in the world,

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01:28:53,400 --> 01:28:54,840
Speaker 1: and we I think I think, what did we say,

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01:28:54,880 --> 01:28:59,200
Speaker 1: the thirty eighth percentime, the thirty eighth country in terms

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01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:03,120
Speaker 1: of longevity, but the number one in terms of healthcare spendings.

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01:29:02,680 --> 01:29:03,360
Speaker 2: Not making sense.

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01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:07,080
Speaker 1: Something's missing in the equation. I wonder what that might be.

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01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:12,639
Speaker 1: You know where I'm in with this, right, there's something missing. Yes,

1442
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:15,480
Speaker 1: the medicine is great, the doctors are great, the hospitals

1443
01:29:15,520 --> 01:29:20,080
Speaker 1: are great. But there's a missing elements because the outcomes,

1444
01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:26,840
Speaker 1: the data, the scientific statistical data is telling us something

1445
01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:27,720
Speaker 1: could be improved.

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01:29:28,040 --> 01:29:31,479
Speaker 2: And I have some thoughts on that too, Yes you do.

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01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:36,360
Speaker 1: That's for podcasts now. If you're missing this, this is

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Speaker 1: a special edition because what I'm trying to do is

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01:29:39,320 --> 01:29:44,040
Speaker 1: get John to be a regular member of our community

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01:29:44,120 --> 01:29:46,120
Speaker 1: because what I really want to do, and I don't

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01:29:46,120 --> 01:29:51,240
Speaker 1: believe in mixed messages are hidden agendas. There's a lot

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01:29:51,320 --> 01:29:54,840
Speaker 1: of Christians that listen to this podcast. The community is

1453
01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:57,760
Speaker 1: getting ready to split over the Israel issue, and we

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01:29:57,800 --> 01:29:59,600
Speaker 1: didn't talk about it today because we're just getting to

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01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:00,200
Speaker 1: know each other.

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01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:00,479
Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 1: You know, if we don't unify as a community and

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01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:07,240
Speaker 1: find the issues that bring us together, we're going to

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01:30:07,240 --> 01:30:09,120
Speaker 1: be ruled and we're going to be ruled by a

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01:30:09,320 --> 01:30:13,920
Speaker 1: very non faithful force. And you know we think, oh,

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01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:18,120
Speaker 1: President Trump, you know most people think, great God will

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01:30:18,160 --> 01:30:21,759
Speaker 1: come from the sky. He'll take away everything, make everybody

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01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:24,599
Speaker 1: feel high. And what Bob Marley was saying was that's

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01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:28,320
Speaker 1: a scam that it's up to each individual. We have

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Speaker 1: to find the issues that unify us, not the fake,

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01:30:33,720 --> 01:30:38,479
Speaker 1: inauthentic issues that are put up to unify us. Like victory.

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Speaker 1: Victory is not a unifying issue.

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Speaker 3: No, And it's it's short, short sighted victory on what

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Speaker 3: victory for how long?

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Speaker 1: Victory through lies, victory through manipulation, victory through fooling the people. No,

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Speaker 1: that's not it.

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Speaker 4: No straw house, it's a house who's the vanquished in

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Speaker 4: the equation, Because you can't be a victor if there's

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Speaker 4: vanquish that is.

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Speaker 1: This is why this is why we love Tannor around

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01:31:04,120 --> 01:31:06,760
Speaker 1: prea People Radio. Because this kid showed up. He was

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01:31:06,760 --> 01:31:10,400
Speaker 1: the engineer. I said, mike yourself up, young man, and

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01:31:10,439 --> 01:31:13,120
Speaker 1: look at him. Go now, look at you go. You

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01:31:13,120 --> 01:31:16,479
Speaker 1: know he just comes up. So you can't if we're

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Speaker 1: in a if we're in a society, we're all American citizens,

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Speaker 1: how can there be victory without a vanquished. Right, And

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Speaker 1: if we're in that mindset, what kind of community is this?

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01:31:27,360 --> 01:31:28,160
Speaker 2: You divided?

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01:31:29,120 --> 01:31:32,880
Speaker 1: And who would who benefits from this division? Who is

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01:31:32,920 --> 01:31:35,280
Speaker 1: the master of dividing the people?

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01:31:35,560 --> 01:31:35,800
Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: Okay, because that's not that's not a faithful decision. Now,

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Speaker 1: a faithful pastor does not divide his flock. No, he

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Speaker 1: gathers his flock.

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Speaker 3: Yet, right yep, right, yeah, Well, and you can the

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Speaker 3: the flock needs to be unified in one singular person

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Speaker 3: of Jesus.

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Speaker 1: And we need to find those issues, those political issues

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01:32:03,680 --> 01:32:07,200
Speaker 1: that bring everybody together. And that doesn't mean we don't

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01:32:07,200 --> 01:32:12,640
Speaker 1: have disagreement. It means that our areas of agreement are stronger.

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Speaker 1: The forces that bind us together are greater than the

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Speaker 1: forces that terr us apart. Right now, the forces that

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Speaker 1: terra us apart are far greater.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's been worked on for a couple

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Speaker 1: hundred years. Maybe it's been worked on for a couple

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Speaker 1: thousand years.

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Speaker 3: It's going to say it seems like a long standing

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Speaker 3: issue that people find themselves.

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Speaker 1: It's whatever you want to put the lens on. You

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Speaker 1: can go right back to the way back. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I like talking about the Bible because I believe in it,

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Speaker 1: but I like talking about it because it's not talked

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Speaker 1: about and the wisdom of it is lost on those

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Speaker 1: who have been secularized. You don't even have to believe

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Speaker 1: in God to gain from the wisdom.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely of the book. I think great text.

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Speaker 1: I mean I went to an East Coast school. We

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Speaker 1: read Conton Hegel and Hobber Moss, and we read Plato

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Speaker 1: and Socrates. We didn't read the Bible. There was no class,

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Speaker 1: you know, philosophy one on one. Let's read the New Testament.

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Speaker 1: Nobody it wasn't. It wasn't on the syllabus, right, So

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Speaker 1: we're trying to get it on the syllabus. And that's why,

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Speaker 1: because what I want to do is try to find

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Speaker 1: these issues that creates so much connectivity that the party

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Speaker 1: doesn't fracture because it's getting ready to bust.

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Speaker 2: Yep, we gotta.

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Speaker 3: There needs to be some repair for sure.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we need a new rally point. And that's why

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Speaker 1: you're here. I just want you to know why I'm

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01:33:44,680 --> 01:33:46,479
Speaker 1: inviting you on. I don't want anybody to think I'm

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01:33:46,479 --> 01:33:49,360
Speaker 1: being tricky. I don't want you to think I'm using you.

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Speaker 1: I'm coming up right up front saying, I'm using this

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Speaker 1: podcast to learn how we can find issues that bind

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Speaker 1: us together because I want a real unity that unifies

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Speaker 1: Republicans throughout the state so that we can have freedom.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, that's it doesn't happen on accident.

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Speaker 1: Takes work, Yeah, Tanner. Yeah, he gave me a lot

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Speaker 1: of hours this week. Thank you very much. Of course,

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Speaker 1: it's great. It's great John, Thank you, welcome, You're welcome

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Speaker 1: back anytime.

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Speaker 2: It's great, Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Tanner's going to get all of john socials up. Please

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Speaker 1: repost the links. If you've hung in for ninety three minutes,

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01:34:25,920 --> 01:34:29,880
Speaker 1: please repost the links into your own social That's how

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01:34:29,920 --> 01:34:31,960
Speaker 1: we get the word out. We're not going to get

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Speaker 1: any help. The algorithm is.

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Speaker 2: It's well.

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Speaker 1: We could get big enough that it works in our favor,

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01:34:37,240 --> 01:34:39,599
Speaker 1: but we're not there yet, not right there, not there yet.

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Speaker 1: We're working on it.

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Speaker 3: It's a I think we have more of a chance

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Speaker 3: than Sisyphis, but we have. It's a it's a long

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Speaker 3: holt road to hope.

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Speaker 1: Oh, the mephisipis we're going to have to start with

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Speaker 1: that when you come back. All right, Tanner, thank you

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Speaker 1: very much for coming in.

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Speaker 2: Of course, have a good night, everybody.

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