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Speaker 2: Made it to a Thursday, but it's not just any
Speaker 2: Thursday now. The tournament begins. Congratulations to Xavier, they were
Speaker 2: down by thirteen, came back to beat Texas, and Mount
Speaker 2: Saint Mary's beats American. Among those playing today Houston, Auburn, Tennessee,
Speaker 2: and Saint John's. If you would have told me five
Speaker 2: years ago, Rick Battino is going to be coaching Saint John's.
Speaker 2: They're going to open up the tournament in Providence, where
Speaker 2: Rick started his career for the most part, and took
Speaker 2: a Billy Donovan led team. Whether they go to the
Speaker 2: Elite eight that year, I'm not even sure how far
Speaker 2: they went. I just know they were really entertaining that year.
Speaker 2: But Rick Bettino, it feels like Patino's an underdog, is
Speaker 2: a number two seat for some reason. It's like, man,
Speaker 2: look what he's doing with Saint John's. Saint John's used
Speaker 2: to be really good before Marvin was born, but Saint
Speaker 2: John's has been a pleasant surprise, and they've recaptured New
Speaker 2: York City. But they will be in Providence to open
Speaker 2: up Houston Auburn, Tennessee as well. All right, eight seven
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Speaker 2: hour of this program, Paul sent this one in.
Speaker 3: Would you rather your favorite team or school win the
Speaker 3: NCAA tournament or would you rather win your bracket contest?
Speaker 2: Okay, Marvin, let me ask you. Since your team is
Speaker 2: the two time defending champs, would you rather UKON one
Speaker 2: again this year or you won the bracket.
Speaker 4: Challenge UKN won again?
Speaker 2: Okay, Paul, If you're alma mater Southern Illinois won the
Speaker 2: national title or you won the bracket challenge, I almost
Speaker 2: have to.
Speaker 5: Take that out because it's so wild to even think
Speaker 5: of them making the tournament. If I didn't have a
Speaker 5: dog in the fight like this year, if a team
Speaker 5: I like, now you got to take your team if
Speaker 5: they'd never won.
Speaker 2: It before, Todd you went to you. So there's no
Speaker 2: chance that that would happen.
Speaker 4: No chance of that happening, I will.
Speaker 2: I'll take winning the bracket challenge even if somehow the
Speaker 2: Violets got into the tournament then won it all all right,
Speaker 2: Seaton West virgin Oh sorry, Uh, you're alma mater. If
Speaker 2: they got into the tournament or you won the bracket challenge,
Speaker 2: how about Seaton Hall.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty good if Seaton Hall. Yeah, I would take
Speaker 3: my team or school any day, because there really isn't
Speaker 3: winning the bracket Challenge. It's just as much luck as
Speaker 3: it is anything else. Two years ago, we had the
Speaker 3: most unlikely Final four of all time and my wife
Speaker 3: called it yeah, And I can assure you she does
Speaker 3: not watch any any college basketball whatsoever, and she had
Speaker 3: it nailed. She was in like theer point five percent
Speaker 3: of the world that had it nailed.
Speaker 2: It's hard to luck into a national championship. It's a
Speaker 2: little easier to luck into doing well with the bracket Challenge.
Speaker 2: In fact, I always think they the less you know,
Speaker 2: the better you will perform in the I Could Challenge.
Speaker 2: But our brackets are in. We're still waiting for a
Speaker 2: couple of celebrities to get their brackets in as well.
Speaker 2: But Fritzy, once again is the gatekeeper. Another poll question,
Speaker 2: what else do you have?
Speaker 3: Well, we got a couple of rule changes that are
Speaker 3: making well proposed rule changes perhaps that are making some news.
Speaker 2: Let me hold off on that until the next segment,
Speaker 2: so I have the full fifteen minutes or so to
Speaker 2: be able to go over everything. And there's some proposals there,
Speaker 2: they're just proposals. The Lions had one. They're still trying
Speaker 2: to get rid of the brotherly shove, which I still
Speaker 2: I'm okay with it. I just say take the guy
Speaker 2: behind the quarterback out of the play. That's all. So
Speaker 2: if you want to have a push, the push comes
Speaker 2: from your quarterback and your offensive line, not some guy
Speaker 2: who weighs three hundred pounds behind. Jalen Hurts. And every
Speaker 2: other team can do this. It's the ultimate football play
Speaker 2: from the standpoint of me versus You may not like it.
Speaker 2: It's predictable, but it is force against force, the immovable
Speaker 2: object against the irresistible force. I'm okay with it. It
Speaker 2: may not be esthetically pleasing, and we may not like
Speaker 2: that the Eagles have mastered it. Every other team can
Speaker 2: do the same thing. Yes see, I feel exactly the
Speaker 2: same way.
Speaker 4: To me.
Speaker 3: It's like the exact, almost very definition of a football play. However,
Speaker 3: we've had at least a coach or two on I
Speaker 3: forget exactly who it was, who was like test not
Speaker 3: football as rugby. We don't play rugby, we play football.
Speaker 3: I hate that play. It's not a football play. Maybe
Speaker 3: it's Bill Coward, it might have been, I'm not sure.
Speaker 3: So then that made me rethink everything that I thought, like, oh,
Speaker 3: that's not a football play.
Speaker 2: What Well, there are probably football plays that aren't football
Speaker 2: plays if you're looking at a true definition here. But
Speaker 2: it's I got the ball. I'm telling you what I'm
Speaker 2: doing and you can't stop me.
Speaker 4: I love that.
Speaker 2: And yes, the Eagles have mastered it. If the Bills
Speaker 2: mastered it, they might have gone to the super Bowl.
Speaker 2: Nobody else has mastered it. But I'm okay with that,
Speaker 2: but they're still trying to get rid of it. Magic
Speaker 2: Johnson was on a podcast. He's on Byron Scott's podcast,
Speaker 2: and it's that time of the year where people are
Speaker 2: making their decisions or giving their opinions on who should
Speaker 2: be winning awards in the NBA. And the hot topic
Speaker 2: appears to be, even though I think the race is over,
Speaker 2: is Joker versus Shay gilgis Alexander. Here's Magic Johnson on
Speaker 2: Byron Scott's podcast.
Speaker 6: Best Playing Basketball Right Now, and he reads situations and
Speaker 6: defense as well, his basketball IQ is off the chart, y. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and then he beats you because he's off rhythm. He's
Speaker 6: not one of the best yet, but he is up there.
Speaker 6: And the only thing he can't do like Kareem could do,
Speaker 6: is dominate on both hims. Right, that's what was missing
Speaker 6: for him because he's.
Speaker 4: Not a big shot blocker. Right, he's a little bability.
Speaker 2: Yeah to a certain extent. Yeah, he's the best player,
Speaker 2: uh in the league. So that's magic on Byron Scott's
Speaker 2: fast Break podcast and he puts it into context because
Speaker 2: he's comparing him to one of the greatest centers, one
Speaker 2: of the greatest players of all time in Koreem. And no,
Speaker 2: Jokic is not a shot blocker. But here's a stat
Speaker 2: that is rarely brought up. And to be honest, when
Speaker 2: you talk about players, how many MVPs were great defenders
Speaker 2: good defenders. When's the last time somebody said, man, that's
Speaker 2: Shay gilg is Alexander he can lock you up. I
Speaker 2: haven't heard it, and but I don't think that should
Speaker 2: factor in. If you're really good, your unbelievable score. I
Speaker 2: do believe he's unstoppable, your team is playing great, he's
Speaker 2: going to win the MVP. There was a real push
Speaker 2: for him last year. But here's the thing that is
Speaker 2: not brought up. A defensive rebound. It's called a defensive rebound.
Speaker 2: And who is third in the NBA. It's Jokic, So
Speaker 2: he's third in rebounding and third in defensive rebounding. That's
Speaker 2: a defensive stat that's rarely brought up. Larry Bird and
Speaker 2: Magic Johnson they quote unquote they played the passing lines.
Speaker 2: I didn't mean they played defense, because you can't play
Speaker 2: the passing lanes unless you kind of slough off your player.
Speaker 2: I don't know if Sga is a great defender. Maybe
Speaker 2: he is, but it feels like we're picking and choosing,
Speaker 2: and this came up with Joker, with Joel Embiid. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but Joker doesn't play good defense. Defensive rebounds is still
Speaker 2: a stat and it's rarely brought up. Larry Bird didn't
Speaker 2: play defense. I don't know too many people back then
Speaker 2: who go, eah, but Larry can't play defense. Okay, Magic
Speaker 2: couldn't play defense. Kobe played defense because Michael Jordan played defense.
Speaker 2: I mean, how many MVPs were like Michael Jordan. They
Speaker 2: could beat you at both ends. Of the floor. Know,
Speaker 2: if Karl Malone was a great defender, I think he
Speaker 2: was on the first or second team All Defensive Team.
Speaker 2: But we do get caught up, you know, and we'll
Speaker 2: say this about MVPs in baseball. Yeah, but he's not
Speaker 2: a real good fielder. Okay, so we kind of pick
Speaker 2: and choose. You can use it against somebody, you can
Speaker 2: use it for somebody. But with and magic putting it
Speaker 2: in context there that he's not Kareem and how many
Speaker 2: players are Kareem Yokich is going to be one of
Speaker 2: the great He should probably have four MVPs and could
Speaker 2: be on the cusp of a fifth one. I mean,
Speaker 2: just let that sink in. That doesn't happen. But he
Speaker 2: is clearly the best player. That doesn't mean he's the
Speaker 2: most valuable player. And that's why it will go to
Speaker 2: Shay Gilgis, Alexander Junior. The third.
Speaker 5: Yes, Paul jokicch currently is the only center in the
Speaker 5: NBA aftering more than one and a half steals per game.
Speaker 5: And the thing about him not blocking shots blocking shots
Speaker 5: these days people don't take it to the lane like
Speaker 5: they used to, the challenges to the basket like he
Speaker 5: used to there's I would bet there's so many fewer
Speaker 5: chances to block shots in this NBA because everyone's jacking
Speaker 5: threes that rim protectors might be the least important thing
Speaker 5: in the league.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you have you know, the stifled Tower.
Speaker 2: You know, that's what he does. He plays, you know,
Speaker 2: as a rim protector, but his role is overrated because
Speaker 2: how much of the game is being a rim protector.
Speaker 2: Wembn Yama is the best defensive player in the in
Speaker 2: the game, and it's not even close. He can he
Speaker 2: can guard you inside outside, he can stand inside and
Speaker 2: guards you outside. He's that great. But when it comes
Speaker 2: to who's the best defensive player, who's won the MVP,
Speaker 2: I mean, if you run down the list of great
Speaker 2: defensive players, Kim Elijahwan was a spectacular defensive player. I
Speaker 2: think he's the all time steals leader maybe is that
Speaker 2: sound right? Or he's up there in that category block
Speaker 2: shots as well, yes.
Speaker 4: Marvin, yes, block shots?
Speaker 2: Yeah? What about steals for keem.
Speaker 4: I know John Stockton's first, but I'll take a look.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Stockton put up numbers that are crazy, like
Speaker 2: the assist total that's almost like Emmett Smith. His rushing
Speaker 2: total it's just gonna be there. Yes, Bowie.
Speaker 5: Hakim Olijuan is tenth all time and steals in NBA
Speaker 5: history and he's the only person over six ten in
Speaker 5: the top twenty.
Speaker 4: It's amazing.
Speaker 2: He's under days.
Speaker 3: Oh best Dad of the day, Dad of the day,
Speaker 3: Here comes that?
Speaker 2: What what day? Brought to you by Panini America. Two
Speaker 2: time Defensive Player of the Year for Akim olij one, Yes,
Speaker 2: Seaton O'Connor. Yeah.
Speaker 3: If you look at Victor wimbin Yama, he had uh,
Speaker 3: let's see in twenty twenty three, twenty four, he had
Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty four block shots in the season. Really,
Speaker 3: you gotta go back in twenty fifteen with Hassan Whiteside
Speaker 3: he had two sixty nine. You gotta go back to
Speaker 3: market can be after that? Uh, but then there is
Speaker 3: a massive The numbers all stay kind of about the
Speaker 3: same until you go all the way back to the
Speaker 3: nineties and to Kenbe Matumbo, he was putting up like
Speaker 3: three thirty two, three forty two, three thirty six, three
Speaker 3: twenty one year after year after year. Matumbo. Uh was
Speaker 3: just killing him and write it before that was a LaJuan.
Speaker 2: Nothing in my house, but the Kembe was one dimensional,
Speaker 2: like he would rebound in block shots. You're asking Joker
Speaker 2: to play the other end when Benyama to play the
Speaker 2: other end. And I think, now, look, I love watching
Speaker 2: Joker and I think he's the best player in the
Speaker 2: game by far, But I do understand this meritocracy where
Speaker 2: the voters will go, we kind of run out of
Speaker 2: things to say about Joker. How about SGA great and
Speaker 2: it's a great story. And Oklahoma City has proved to
Speaker 2: be legitimate, and I hope they do. I don't want
Speaker 2: this to happen. They don't get to the Western Conference
Speaker 2: find because then you'll have people saying, nah, I never
Speaker 2: should have give him the MVP. Yeah, it's the regular
Speaker 2: season awards. Like Lamar Jackson, I want him to do
Speaker 2: well in the postseason, so we don't say, yeah, well,
Speaker 2: we want it in the regular season, just not a
Speaker 2: postseason performer. Peyton Manning went through this as well. Aaron
Speaker 2: Rodgers is oh Man fourteen minutes in and I mentioned
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers. Heikes, oh, dang it, dang it, I'm bad,
Speaker 2: Sorry about that.
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Speaker 2: Diana Rassini, the Athletics senior NFL insider co host of
Speaker 2: the Athletics Scoop City podcast with Chase Daniel. First of all,
Speaker 2: you've done a wonderful job. You've done a wonderful job
Speaker 2: here in the off season, not to say you don't
Speaker 2: do it in the regular season, but did want to
Speaker 2: have you on to say that great work. Now give
Speaker 2: us the latest tier. Let's start with Aaron Rodgers because
Speaker 2: there were conflicting reports yesterday where the Vikings interested? Are
Speaker 2: they still interested in Aaron Rodgers? Hi?
Speaker 8: Well, first of all, thank you, happy spring. We made
Speaker 8: it buddy. We're here just the fact that it's pouring
Speaker 8: in our region. But we'll take it right as it
Speaker 8: just felt like a really long winter. And you sound
Speaker 8: annoyed by the quarterback carousel situation here a little bit.
Speaker 8: Are you the Steelers?
Speaker 3: Are you the Giants?
Speaker 8: Are you talking to them? Because I can tell you
Speaker 8: that they are. They're pretty annoyed by all this as
Speaker 8: they're just waiting and you know, everyone knows the tell
Speaker 8: at this point that the Pittsburgh Steelers and the New
Speaker 8: York Giants are both very interested in Aaron Rodgers. Rogers
Speaker 8: knows what kind of contract that both teams are offering,
Speaker 8: and the Minnesota Vikings spent i'd said, probably the last
Speaker 8: week and a half or so having really serious discussions
Speaker 8: about what this would mean for this team moving forward
Speaker 8: if they were to bring Aaron Rodgers on, And you
Speaker 8: had a lot of people in that building in favor
Speaker 8: of Rogers after watching some film of him, and you know,
Speaker 8: those guys know a lo lot about him, they have
Speaker 8: good relationships with Rogers, and so there were certainly many
Speaker 8: people with Minnesota who believe that bringing Aaron Rodgers in
Speaker 8: this season was the best thing for the Minnesota Vikings.
Speaker 8: And I think from their perspective, it's, well, you don't
Speaker 8: get extra points winning a super Bowl because you want
Speaker 8: it with your draft pick, with you because you want
Speaker 8: it with the young quarterback. They built this team in
Speaker 8: free agency, and you have to give them so much
Speaker 8: credit with how they've built this Vikings team on paper.
Speaker 8: At this point right now, I think it's really reasonable
Speaker 8: to say that this is a super Bowl, super Bowl
Speaker 8: caliber team.
Speaker 3: They just need the quarterback.
Speaker 9: And the fact that the.
Speaker 8: Vikings have now made the decision to table this to say, okay,
Speaker 8: we want to give JJ McCarthy an opportunity. This spring
Speaker 8: tells me that Kevin O'Connell has hitched his wagon into
Speaker 8: JJ McCarthy and believes that this player is the future
Speaker 8: of the Minnesota Vikings, that he is the absolute best
Speaker 8: option over let's say, a future Hall of Famer in
Speaker 8: Aaron Rodgers. So serious discussions happened, but Kevin O'Connell came
Speaker 8: to the decision that he believes that JJ McCarthy gives
Speaker 8: the Vikings a much better chance at winning than Aaron
Speaker 8: Rodgers does.
Speaker 2: At this point, well, okay, this is what I was
Speaker 2: told yesterday. Kevin he knows he can mold JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 2: He's not molding Aaron Rodgers. And does Aaron Rodgers style
Speaker 2: of play fit with what Kevin wants with his offense.
Speaker 2: And I was told that it's not necessarily a great marriage.
Speaker 2: It's Aaron Rodgers and the high high that you can
Speaker 2: get could be a super Bowl. But Kevin has he
Speaker 2: is showing confidence in JJ McCarthy and he wants to
Speaker 2: make sure that he that McCarthy doesn't lose, you know,
Speaker 2: going through rehab. He wants to make sure he understands
Speaker 2: I got rid of Sam Darnold. You're my guy, but
Speaker 2: I'm doing my due diligence that probably ownership is asking
Speaker 2: him to do.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's beyond confidence in JJ McCarthy. If he's making
Speaker 8: this decision, he is hitching his wagon to JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 8: As JJ McCarthy goes, the Minnesota Vikings now go because
Speaker 8: they had an opportunity to bring in Aaron Rodgers. And
Speaker 8: to the point that you're making of well, he doesn't
Speaker 8: fit in this style of offense. I think Kevin O'Connell,
Speaker 8: the Coach of the Year, has proven that he can
Speaker 8: make any quarterback fit and find their best qualities to
Speaker 8: get the most at them. I think that's Kevin's best trait.
Speaker 8: He is so adaptable. He is able to figure out
Speaker 8: pretty quickly what the strengths of these quarterbacks are. And
Speaker 8: we've talked on this show so many times about the
Speaker 8: Rogers experience in New York and while I don't ever,
Speaker 8: I never thought it was the right fit. I always
Speaker 8: understood what New York was doing. When you think about fit,
Speaker 8: when you think about personality, when you think about what
Speaker 8: a player like Aaron Rodgers needs around him at this
Speaker 8: point in his career, he does need somebody that he
Speaker 8: really truly respects and can hold him accountable. And in
Speaker 8: my opinion, I think that's Kevin O'Connell. I think there's
Speaker 8: probably about five coaches in football right now that I
Speaker 8: would say yep, that works right, Like Andy Reid can
Speaker 8: handle Aaron Rodgers, Mike Vrabel, Mike Tomlin, Sean McVay, Kevin O'Connell.
Speaker 3: Those are five off the top.
Speaker 8: Of my head that I feel very comfortable saying Aaron
Speaker 8: Rodgers respects. And I think Rogers is looking at the
Speaker 8: situation right now going I wanted to play for the
Speaker 8: Rams that didn't work out, what's the next best And
Speaker 8: based on these offseason moves, Minnesota is, without a doubt
Speaker 8: the best option for Aaron Rodgers. And so now you
Speaker 8: have the Pittsburgh Steelers who don't have a plan past
Speaker 8: Mason Rudolph, who are just waiting to hear from Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 8: And you know, the Giants would probably love this opportunity,
Speaker 8: but I think in their building, they know what's happening here.
Speaker 8: They know that they're probably not the prom queen here
Speaker 8: in this situation. So to me, the biggest takeaway was
Speaker 8: the Minnesota Vikings have very strong belief and confidence that
Speaker 8: JJ McCarthy is the guy, yet they're still going to
Speaker 8: discuss Aaron Rodgers. Rogers is still on their radar, so
Speaker 8: they need to learn something this spring. I don't know
Speaker 8: what that is, but they need to see something. And again,
Speaker 8: you've been doing this a long time. What is spring football?
Speaker 8: Not much? Right, like, you don't know too much. It's
Speaker 8: pretty easy, laid back, but I think they want to
Speaker 8: see where he's at physically, where he's at mentally. There's
Speaker 8: a lot in play here before they really make their
Speaker 8: decision that they're officially done with Aaron Rodgers. Because there's
Speaker 8: no in or out on Rodgers. It's just for right now.
Speaker 2: The Athletics senior NFL insider co host of the Athletics
Speaker 2: Scoop City with Chase Daniel. I thought the Steelers were
Speaker 2: going to bring back Justin Fields. I thought that made sense.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's a bridge quarterback, but I'm kind of surprised
Speaker 2: the Steelers aren't acting like the Steelers and saying Aaron Rodgers, Dude,
Speaker 2: at the end of the business day, you're either in
Speaker 2: or you're out. We're the Steelers. You want to play.
Speaker 2: It's a privilege to play for the Steelers and a
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame coach and Mike Tomlin, TJ. Watt, Mika Fitzpatrick,
Speaker 2: Cam Hayward. We brought in DK metcalf. You make up
Speaker 2: your mind and then if not, we're moving on. But
Speaker 2: you allow Justin Fields to get out of the building.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you can bring Russ back. But
Speaker 2: where do the Steelers stand with this whole mess?
Speaker 8: Where are they going? Dan? What do you mean they
Speaker 8: have no choice? Like you want Mike Tomlin and Omar
Speaker 8: Khan to call Aaron Rodgers today and say where the
Speaker 8: Pittsburgh stay? Are you in or you out?
Speaker 9: Yes?
Speaker 8: I'm Aaron Rodgers. I'm going. Okay, Okay, I'm out if
Speaker 8: you if you don't want to wait for me, because
Speaker 8: what are your options? Me soon? For?
Speaker 2: What am I waiting for? You're the Steelers?
Speaker 9: I mean?
Speaker 2: Is it is money involved in this? Or is it
Speaker 2: just the chance to be with a better team, a
Speaker 2: chance to play in an NFC North and win a
Speaker 2: Super Bowl? I mean is that what this is all? Okay? Yeah,
Speaker 2: this is Aaron rob.
Speaker 8: This is Aaron Rodgers going. Okay, the Vikings are telling
Speaker 8: you right now that they're not in, but they're not
Speaker 8: taking it off the table. Do I sit here and
Speaker 8: just be patient and just wait to see if maybe
Speaker 8: in the spring, they realize that maybe JJ McCarthy isn't
Speaker 8: the guy, or maybe there's a setback physically, or maybe
Speaker 8: there's another quarterback on a different team that he would
Speaker 8: want to play for injured. Should I just sit back
Speaker 8: here right now and wait for a better opportunity, or
Speaker 8: I go to Pittsburgh and look, you just ripped through
Speaker 8: some of the guys in this roster. I'm not sure
Speaker 8: how Aaron feels about Pittsburgh, but I think we could
Speaker 8: probably all agree if he was blown away by them,
Speaker 8: this would be done. He wouldn't be watching what the
Speaker 8: Minnesota Vikings were doing. It seems just like a really
Speaker 8: far backup plan for Rogers if he even wants to
Speaker 8: do that. And then you have the New York Giants,
Speaker 8: and I don't even think that they have that much
Speaker 8: of a push in this in terms of Rogers wanting
Speaker 8: to be there, because we know the uphill battle that
Speaker 8: they have in terms of their roster and everything that
Speaker 8: they're dealing with with their coaching staff. So I think
Speaker 8: for Rogers, his mindset's like, I'm in no rush because
Speaker 8: you all need me. I don't really need you, because
Speaker 8: if I choose not to play football, I choose not
Speaker 8: to play football. But I think the Minnesota Vikings are
Speaker 8: worth waiting out for, and I think he's willing to roll.
Speaker 3: The die there.
Speaker 2: What are the Giants doing.
Speaker 8: Hoping that Russell Wilson or Joe Flacco decide to come
Speaker 8: to New York. I think that's going to wind up
Speaker 8: being one of their backup plans, one or the other.
Speaker 2: They've been operated taking a quarterback. You think they're taking
Speaker 2: Shade or Sanders.
Speaker 9: I do.
Speaker 8: I think they've always had the focus has always been
Speaker 8: to get a quarterback here. I think they've aggressively called
Speaker 8: up to Tennessee to try to move up. I don't
Speaker 8: get the sense right now out of Tennessee that they've
Speaker 8: made a final decision yet. I just know that they haven't.
Speaker 8: They've obviously have not made this trade. I think Tennessee
Speaker 8: winds up going quarterback, and I think the New York
Speaker 8: Giants do as well. I think the Giants are going
Speaker 8: to do whatever they can to just try to get
Speaker 8: up and get a quarterback and then sort of figure
Speaker 8: out where to go from there. And what I find
Speaker 8: is fascinating in all this, And obviously I can't share
Speaker 8: every conversation I have and all the information we collect,
Speaker 8: but there have been so many moves made over the
Speaker 8: past two three weeks here with all three of these organizations.
Speaker 8: And we're talking about big teams here, the Pittsburgh Steelers,
Speaker 8: the Minnesota Vikings, the New York Giants. Where I wonder
Speaker 8: if they're going to reflect on some of these calls
Speaker 8: and regret them, right starting with Minnesota letting Sam Darnold walk.
Speaker 8: We want to invest in the young guy, right, so
Speaker 8: we're gonna let the guy that just won fourteen games
Speaker 8: for us leave the building. We have no insurance plan
Speaker 8: now right now? Oh well, we will get Daniel Jones
Speaker 8: and he wants to be here. We can win with Daniel.
Speaker 8: We've got the best quarterback whisper in football. He can
Speaker 8: get the most out of DJ Well. Daniel Jones wants
Speaker 8: to be the starter without having to deal with a
Speaker 8: young draft pick that's going to compete for the job.
Speaker 8: That because he was handpicked by Quacy and Kevin O'Connell
Speaker 8: the young guy's going to get the edge, right, Like
Speaker 8: we see it all the time in sports. Whoever that
Speaker 8: guy's coach is, they usually get the edge. They're the favorite.
Speaker 8: So Daniel Jones looks at the situation, She's like, I
Speaker 8: don't want to be in this mess. I can go
Speaker 8: to Indian and just win this thing. So this is
Speaker 8: why when I say Kevin O'Connell is tethered to JJ McCarthy,
Speaker 8: because it's not just Aaron Rodgers, it's Sam, it's Daniel Jones,
Speaker 8: and it's a future Hall of Fame quarterback. All three
Speaker 8: of these quarterbacks, they're willing to say no, we can
Speaker 8: win with JJ with this roster, and if they feel
Speaker 8: good about it, I guess we got to just believe them.
Speaker 2: The brotherly shove just keeps. It doesn't go away. It
Speaker 2: feels like the Packers are like, can you please take
Speaker 2: this out of the game. We can't stop it, but
Speaker 2: nobody else can as well. My simple solution is just
Speaker 2: don't allow somebody to be behind Jalen Hurts and block
Speaker 2: him from behind. That's all. I still think they would
Speaker 2: be just as successful running a quarterback sneak with that
Speaker 2: line in Jalen hurts. But is there any chance that
Speaker 2: the NFL, when the owners get together, they're going to say,
Speaker 2: you know what, none of us can stop it, we
Speaker 2: want it out of the game, and then we vote
Speaker 2: on it.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I think it's a long shot.
Speaker 9: Still.
Speaker 8: I actually thought it had I thought there was more
Speaker 8: teeth to it a year ago, you know. And you
Speaker 8: saw the report that Green Bay is the one that
Speaker 8: proposed it because they bring up player safety. There's no
Speaker 8: information about that out there. That's not really a strong
Speaker 8: leg to stand on at this point. But but even
Speaker 8: having conversations about this over the last few weeks when
Speaker 8: it started to bubble up again, I think you always
Speaker 8: have to look at some of the players involved. And
Speaker 8: I never got the sense that Roger Goodell was for it.
Speaker 8: I always felt that he didn't like it because he
Speaker 8: thought it was an ugly play. He didn't like the optics,
Speaker 8: the esthetics. And I know that there are some on
Speaker 8: the competition Committee who feel that way as well. But
Speaker 8: I think in the end, most around the league, including owners,
Speaker 8: have the same mindset that you do, and that I
Speaker 8: think a lot of teams do. It's let's not punish
Speaker 8: this team because you can't figure out a way to
Speaker 8: stop it. Maybe put your efforts into solving that problem
Speaker 8: before having to change the rule because your team doesn't
Speaker 8: have that advantage.
Speaker 2: Great to talk to you, and we'll be watching. We'll
Speaker 2: be watching to make sure we find out where Russ
Speaker 2: is going, where Aaron is going. If you had to
Speaker 2: bet though, just guess.
Speaker 8: You know, insiders hate this stuff. I hate because you
Speaker 8: know Bobby the aggregator out there. It's like headline Rusini says,
Speaker 8: Rogers to Seattle, Sam Darnold's getting cut.
Speaker 2: You know, like, uh, do you want to do? Just
Speaker 2: just a guess on any of those topics, So like
Speaker 2: the giants of the Browns, of the Steelers, with the Vikings,
Speaker 2: with retirement, with whatever one just give me one guess.
Speaker 2: Not a report. Once again, this is not a report
Speaker 2: by Diana Rossini. This is not a report.
Speaker 8: This is a guess. This is a guess. I have
Speaker 8: to just emphasize this. Yes, I think Aaron Rodgers is
Speaker 8: going to be a Minnesota viike.
Speaker 2: That is breaking news. Hey, let's get that out social media.
Speaker 2: We're gonna get some We're gonna get some hits. Sceni
Speaker 2: reports Aaron Rodgers will be the Vikings quarterback. Thank you.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Diana. That was a guess. That's all that was.
Speaker 2: It was a guess. It was not a report.
Speaker 3: Not as amused as we were with that joke.
Speaker 2: But she wasn't she She knew what she was walking into.
Speaker 2: At least she thought she did all of a sudden. Ye.
Speaker 2: A bunch of the podcast is Scoop City with Chase Daniel.
Speaker 2: That's Diana Rasini.
Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Speaker 1: Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific
Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio WAPP.
Speaker 2: He's one of the great basketball minds that I know.
Speaker 2: He is Dan Dickow who joins us on the program.
Speaker 2: Oh no, it's Dan. Oh, it's Dockage. Oh. Dan Dockage
Speaker 2: a former college coach. He played for Bob Knight in Indiana.
Speaker 2: His podcast on OutKick is Don't Have Me, Sorry, Dan,
Speaker 2: I got confused on who we were having.
Speaker 9: On dick Out Dreams of having my Hair, Dreams of It.
Speaker 2: Good to have you. On your reaction to the committee
Speaker 2: putting North Carolina in the tournament? How egregious is this?
Speaker 2: Or is it to you?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 10: I think it was ridiculous and I think I like
Speaker 10: Bubba cutting him. I've known him since he was at
Speaker 10: Ball State. I was in Bowling Green and I've always
Speaker 10: thought twelve of it. But you can't have in your contract,
Speaker 10: you know. Some say you got one hundred and four thousand,
Speaker 10: some say you got sixty seven. I don't care. You
Speaker 10: can't have that in your contract. A hint of impropriety
Speaker 10: is ridiculous. And the other thing is, you know, Dan,
Speaker 10: they put all these metrics in. Okay, that's fine, and
Speaker 10: you know, I know, I know mathematicians. I got three
Speaker 10: friends that are mathematicians math teachers, and they're like, you
Speaker 10: can make math go anyway.
Speaker 2: You won.
Speaker 10: I didn't think Carolina should be in for the simple
Speaker 10: reason who did they be over the course of a season.
Speaker 10: I don't think Indiana should have been in the same reason.
Speaker 10: But I do think that it has to get straightened out.
Speaker 10: Where guys have bonuses for their schools to be in
Speaker 10: the tournament. I think that's just wrong. It reeks of well, oh, frankly,
Speaker 10: it's nefarious.
Speaker 9: Don't tell me you weren't in a room. Don't don't
Speaker 9: treat us like children.
Speaker 10: You were talking to them at dinner, you would have
Speaker 10: drinks whatever at the coffee shop.
Speaker 9: Don't don't.
Speaker 10: Don't treat us like children. We know how this works,
Speaker 10: and I just think you know, whether you want to
Speaker 10: put them in or not.
Speaker 9: Great, they played wonderful.
Speaker 3: R J.
Speaker 9: Davis made threes.
Speaker 10: But you know, you should never have a bonus for
Speaker 10: being the head of a chair getting.
Speaker 9: Your team, and that's just that's bad business.
Speaker 2: But they knew that there was going to be blowback, right,
Speaker 2: you can't be in that committee and go, boy, how's
Speaker 2: this going to look? But then you just say, maybe
Speaker 2: we just survived the first couple of days that.
Speaker 10: Dan, that's exactly we all know, right, you know I
Speaker 10: always said this when I was in ESPN. Dan Brackett
Speaker 10: was going to come out, Billis was going to complain
Speaker 10: about the CD. Dick Fettel was going to complain that
Speaker 10: the little guy didn't get in right, and that'll last
Speaker 10: for twenty four forty eight hours. And then we moved
Speaker 10: along and we had maybe the greatest game of the tournament,
Speaker 10: the first game with Alabama State. But that's how you
Speaker 10: got to be. You're in the public. You know, things come,
Speaker 10: they go, they blow over, and you move it along
Speaker 10: in the game start and it's what was BILLI say
Speaker 10: it's idiot proof, and boy is that true.
Speaker 9: It's just a great tournament every year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you to look at this. And then Jim
Speaker 2: Beheim last year said on our show they should expand
Speaker 2: it to ninety sixteens, Like, how many is too many?
Speaker 10: Dan, Dan, I've always said this, And tell me if
Speaker 10: you think this is wrong. But I've always said, everybody
Speaker 10: is in the NCAA tournament. Like you have a conference tournament,
Speaker 10: you win, you stay in. Like I get it, CBS
Speaker 10: or whomever, they do their thing and great, but everybody's
Speaker 10: already in.
Speaker 9: I have no I don't care expand it. Dan.
Speaker 10: I'm at an age where I love the games. I
Speaker 10: love the sport. Give me mores. Fine, But I've said,
Speaker 10: I've said this, everybody's in a tournament, and I think
Speaker 10: Vegas should determine the bracket. Take Vegas, take the human
Speaker 10: hair out of it, give your parameters, give your policies,
Speaker 10: give it all of those guys in the deserts, as
Speaker 10: Brent would say, and let's figure this out. Let them
Speaker 10: do it unbiased. And then we got a bracket and
Speaker 10: we moved along. Those are the two things I've always said.
Speaker 10: Everyone's already in the tournament, you got conference tournament, you
Speaker 10: got a chance, don't lose, and you keep playing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been saying the last couple of years. Let's
Speaker 2: just take it out of a committee. Let's do it
Speaker 2: with the people who it's all about the bottom line,
Speaker 2: all the money that's made with march madness. Let Vegas
Speaker 2: figure this out. I did think of you yesterday. We
Speaker 2: were talking about how Georgetown had to fire Patrick Ewing,
Speaker 2: Saint John's had to fire Chris mallin, Houston fired Clyde Drexler.
Speaker 2: Steve Alford has never been offered the Indiana John. Is
Speaker 2: that correct? And if so, why not.
Speaker 9: There's a weird thing.
Speaker 10: Quinn Buckner at this time is the head of the
Speaker 10: board of Trustees and he's got some weird and this
Speaker 10: is true. I mean, nobody had missed this, but I
Speaker 10: know this night told me this. He's got some daddy
Speaker 10: thing with Knight and Alford. It's a really weird thing.
Speaker 10: Dan and the previous guy the ad and Buckner's the
Speaker 10: ahead of the board of trustees, previous guy Rick green Span.
Speaker 10: They had lector didn't like Alford. He was in Illinois State.
Speaker 10: They had some kind of hassle. Dan I've never understood it.
Speaker 10: I've said, ex.
Speaker 2: So, Quinn Buckner's daddy issue with Bob Knight and therefore
Speaker 2: doesn't want Steve Alford.
Speaker 10: I've never been able and I'm asked Steve, and that's
Speaker 10: all I've ever You know, it's just a weird thing
Speaker 10: where Buckner's jealous of the relationship or and you know,
Speaker 10: nobody will admit it. But I've heard this for so
Speaker 10: many years, and Buckner again, he's ahead. Look whether it's
Speaker 10: true or not, I bet you know. I always say
Speaker 10: gun to head, gun to head. I think it's true
Speaker 10: as hell. Buckner and Woodson were boys when Night was
Speaker 10: first in Indiana.
Speaker 9: He kind of legally cheated.
Speaker 10: He got Woody, and I think Buckner, I know Scott
Speaker 10: May involved with a guy named Steve Ferguson, one of
Speaker 10: the richest guys. They bought all the hotel, they bought
Speaker 10: all the apartments in Bloomington. Alford wasn't a part of
Speaker 10: the It's just a it's a ridiculous, idiotic, stupid Desperate
Speaker 10: Housewives kind of a program that hopefully now we got
Speaker 10: a decent dude in there that can coach some ball.
Speaker 10: West Virginia fans. You can suck it. I love that
Speaker 10: you're mad.
Speaker 9: Go away. Indiana got a good dude, Let's go.
Speaker 2: He's Dan Dakiche, host of Don't at Me podcast on
Speaker 2: out Kick. He played for Bob Knight in Indiana. You
Speaker 2: coached with him. Was there any joy when you played
Speaker 2: for Bob Knight?
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 10: I always say it was fun, and the fun was
Speaker 10: when you got his approval. The fun was how big
Speaker 10: the program was, how revered you were. But you know,
Speaker 10: Dan Fife and I always talk about this as white
Speaker 10: dudes that aren't very fast. Everybody thinks they're better than you,
Speaker 10: Like everybody that was third team All Conference in their
Speaker 10: little conference, you know, couldn't wait to play in the hype.
Speaker 10: But playing basketball Indiana, I don't know if it was fun.
Speaker 9: I don't know. Is that the same as joy. I
Speaker 9: don't know.
Speaker 10: I had a blast. I liked when he got crazy.
Speaker 10: I loved watching his eyebrows grow. Randy Whitman told me
Speaker 10: that he'll yell, his eyebrows will grow.
Speaker 9: But I loved everything about it. I love the place.
Speaker 9: Uh yeah, no it was.
Speaker 2: I will tell you to scare you did night scare.
Speaker 9: You scare me? No, not at all. Make you question
Speaker 9: everything about yourself, yes, like could you play? Like could
Speaker 9: you think? Like he would ask me Dan.
Speaker 10: He would go, hey, Doccas, you're either too dumb to
Speaker 10: understand this or you don't listen to me. And I'm like, man, hey, coach,
Speaker 10: I listened to every word you said. I'm just stupid,
Speaker 10: like just a moron coach, you know. But no, he
Speaker 10: made you question if you were working hard enough. He
Speaker 10: made you question. And you know, he's like my dad.
Speaker 10: My dad was the principal in Gary, Indiana High School
Speaker 10: principal he was. He was like my dad, And I
Speaker 10: loved it.
Speaker 2: Is Rick Pattino a feel good story?
Speaker 10: I think it's a yeah. I like redemption. I like
Speaker 10: the fact that Rick Patino humbled himself. He went to Greece.
Speaker 10: You know, it's funny. I was talking to some coaches
Speaker 10: about him going to Greece and winning that league. Dan,
Speaker 10: that league is a big time, big time lead. He
Speaker 10: won that thing twice, and I remember thinking, I don't care.
Speaker 10: You know, I don't care the backstory. I think Rick
Speaker 10: Patino I would have hired him in a second.
Speaker 4: And Dan.
Speaker 10: The other thing is, I wish Louisville would do this.
Speaker 10: I wish Louisville would say, screw you were putting the
Speaker 10: banner from thirteen backup. N Cuba is feckless right now, Dan,
Speaker 10: And well, okay, get mad at us.
Speaker 9: Good for you, don't I don't care. I really wish
Speaker 9: they would do that.
Speaker 2: Would you do that if you're Michigan the final.
Speaker 9: Yeah, final four. Maybe a little different.
Speaker 10: And those guys held whoever allegedly was going to jail
Speaker 10: if the Martin guy didn't die. You know, for a
Speaker 10: lot that got a little bit what's the right I
Speaker 10: got a little bit too much in the courts for me.
Speaker 10: But I think I would. Now, you know, I haven't
Speaker 10: thought about it. I'm just thinking about that for the
Speaker 10: first time. Yeah, I think I probably would. I think
Speaker 10: i'd say, look, these games were played, we won them.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 10: I like it. It's like I used to tell my kids, Dan,
Speaker 10: you're mad at me. Really, I still tell them, you're
Speaker 10: mad at me. Go stand over there in the corner
Speaker 10: and be mad and let me know when you're not
Speaker 10: mad anymore and come back. That's yeah, I would. Yeah,
Speaker 10: I would put those banners up at Michigan. I certainly
Speaker 10: would do it.
Speaker 2: Louisville absolutely sneaky team that you like in the tournament.
Speaker 10: You know, it's funny. Everybody likes Drake, and I love
Speaker 10: Drake's coach. But I saw today seventy one percent of
Speaker 10: the money bet on Drake.
Speaker 9: That tells me bet against Drake.
Speaker 10: Every time the you know, the public goes on someone
Speaker 10: I go against, I will tell your team I'm fascinated
Speaker 10: by and Dan.
Speaker 9: That's Wisconsin.
Speaker 10: You know, Dan, with Mike Trico and I used to
Speaker 10: do this when we were broadcast, we wouldn't look at
Speaker 10: the line until game time, and then I would ask him, Mike,
Speaker 10: what's the over under? And he was really good, like
Speaker 10: he would you know, I think he cheated, but he
Speaker 10: would nail it. But with Wisconsin, the over under was
Speaker 10: always like one twenty something, right, one eighteen.
Speaker 9: They can get in the eighties, they can get high seventies.
Speaker 10: I'm fascinated because Dan, they have switched their entire operation.
Speaker 9: I mean when you.
Speaker 10: And I were in college, Dan, we went in my
Speaker 10: time in Indiana seventeen years we went what first sixteen
Speaker 10: years we went thirty one and one against Wisconsin. And
Speaker 10: so they they got Dick Bennett, they went a different way.
Speaker 10: Now they're going up and down I'm fascinated to see
Speaker 10: how they do. And I'll tell you what I like Kentucky.
Speaker 10: I don't know why I got them going to the
Speaker 10: Final four. D I just I like their team. I'm
Speaker 10: not mad at their path.
Speaker 9: I just do.
Speaker 10: And you know, one of the sleeper teams that I like.
Speaker 10: I'm anxious to see what high Point does today against Purdue.
Speaker 10: And I'll tell you why. I've never seen a guy
Speaker 10: used more than Brayden Smith is used at Purdue.
Speaker 9: Like Dan.
Speaker 10: They don't have a second ball handler. Kid's a first
Speaker 10: team All American. He's asked to do everything, and I
Speaker 10: mean everything, and I thought, I'm not you know, I'm
Speaker 10: one of those guys. A shut up, put some dirt
Speaker 10: on it.
Speaker 9: Let's go.
Speaker 10: I don't want to hear about you being tired. But Dan,
Speaker 10: that dude legitimately should be wore out. And I'm anxious
Speaker 10: high Point gets up and down.
Speaker 9: They can score it. They got a good coach.
Speaker 10: I'm looking forward to that game, and I'm looking forward
Speaker 10: to Creighton and Louisville.
Speaker 9: Louisville got job, Creighton got job eight nine game, my.
Speaker 2: Ass, Yeah, that'll be just you know, Creighton's got a
Speaker 2: lot of things that you need to advance in the tournament.
Speaker 2: I'll leave you with this. Your days is a player
Speaker 2: as a coach, as an assistant coach. The best performance
Speaker 2: you ever saw by a player was turned in by who.
Speaker 10: Calbert Cheney against Louisville in the NCAA Tournament, Dwayne Morton.
Speaker 10: Dwayne Morton was really good back then and Calbert. He
Speaker 10: said something to Calbert. I don't know if this is
Speaker 10: the best, but Calvert was a player of the year.
Speaker 10: Morton said something and Calbert just went stupid.
Speaker 9: You know what I mean?
Speaker 10: Dan, like Calvert was the nicest guy in America, easiest
Speaker 10: guy in the history of basketball to coach every day.
Speaker 10: And I never saw this until this guy, Dwayne Morton
Speaker 10: came at him and Dan it was like guys talking
Speaker 10: about Michael Jordan when you said something to him. He
Speaker 10: had an electricity. It was in the regional I think
Speaker 10: it was in the sweet sixteen, maybe ninety three. He
Speaker 10: dunked on, got face to face and I'm sitting there going,
Speaker 10: wait a second, here, hang on, baby, that's pretty damn good.
Speaker 9: Shack. We beat Shack. He made all twelve of his
Speaker 9: free throws in ninety two, his last game. True stories.
Speaker 9: He had thirty six and made all of his free throws.
Speaker 10: And I told Matt and over the guy that guarded him,
Speaker 10: I said, Mat, I've never said this about a dude
Speaker 10: that got thirty six on you, But that was a
Speaker 10: hell of a defensive performance.
Speaker 9: Brother.
Speaker 2: What was the performance better than your performance against Michael Jordan?
Speaker 10: Nothing will ever surpass that, Dan, nothing in the history
Speaker 10: of bast.
Speaker 2: You've been dining out on that for decades. That you
Speaker 2: held Jordan under twenty.
Speaker 10: Hell, Jordan under ten. I filed out, he got four more.
Speaker 10: He ended up with thirteen. I was a little pissed
Speaker 10: about that thing.
Speaker 9: Kick.
Speaker 2: Did you say anything to him at all during that?
Speaker 2: I mean, he wasn't Michael Jordan then they were playing
Speaker 2: him in college, but didn't know he's still there that
Speaker 2: you were, you know, you could get him fired up.
Speaker 10: No, you know, Dan, I don't know if you remember this,
Speaker 10: but Orlando Woolridge and Notre Dame beat Virginia and Ralph
Speaker 10: Samson and I was at the game and Orlando Woolridge said,
Speaker 10: I didn't say a word to Ralph. I just stayed
Speaker 10: behind him and next to him, didn't say a word.
Speaker 10: And I thought about that and I did that during
Speaker 10: that game. I didn't say a word. But if he
Speaker 10: was back, you know, somebody shooting free throws and he
Speaker 10: was at half corner, I stood next to him. If
Speaker 10: he was on the free throw line, I stood down.
Speaker 10: I just I don't know why I did, though. Dan,
Speaker 10: we played golf that summer. I beat him out of
Speaker 10: sixth grand and I talked a lot of hish that night. Dan,
Speaker 10: I'm not gonna lie to you. I told him, I'll
Speaker 10: play it for any dime you want. I'll play it
Speaker 10: for everything you want, because you suck and I'm good,
Speaker 10: and I'm gonna kick the living out of you. And
Speaker 10: he owed me six grand by the end of the day,
Speaker 10: and the course, being Michael Jordan, he never paid, but hey,
Speaker 10: I don't care.
Speaker 9: It's a good story.
Speaker 2: Keep starting it up. Great to talk to you so always, Bud,
Speaker 2: Thanks brother, see you. That's Dan dakch