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Speaker 1: Tuesday here at Jillette Stadium. And oh god, I have

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Speaker 1: to admit I was thinking, all right, don't win anymore,

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Speaker 1: let's let's get let's get into the top pick race.

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Speaker 4: You just say that, No, I'm arran, I just I'm

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Speaker 1: I might during the game, You're like, okay, well, what's

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Speaker 1: the point now?

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Speaker 5: This season hasn't even really started that much yet.

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Speaker 6: You know, you still in the picture by the ball.

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Speaker 3: You can't cry go back to one and bury the ball.

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Speaker 1: But I thought they did that already this season, but

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Speaker 1: maybe they did.

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Speaker 3: They really get a forest of balls.

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Speaker 1: It's like a graveyard.

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Speaker 4: We're running on the balls like the googling shovels. But

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Speaker 4: it was an unbelievable play. Yeah, and we really saw

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Speaker 4: very little of him the.

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Speaker 1: Rest of the game.

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Speaker 3: When I got scared, we did that. He made a

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Speaker 1: Can't have that. Get out of there.

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Speaker 4: He's running too far. Evan has taken the mantle for

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Speaker 4: me for most snark, and this is great.

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It's Wednesday here at

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Speaker 1: Gillette Stadium. We've turned the page. That's what we call Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: to turn the page day as we forget about last

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Speaker 1: game as much as we can and we start to

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Speaker 1: focus on our upcoming opponent, which of course is the

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Speaker 1: New Orlands Saints come and marching in to Jellette one

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Speaker 1: o'clock on Sunday. And big news, I'd say, I'd say,

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Speaker 1: you know, relatively big news for this time of the year.

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Speaker 1: Bringing in an old old friend.

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Speaker 5: Welcome jac Jackson. He's got some he's got some money

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Speaker 5: now with him. Yeah, I don't know. He got bench

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Speaker 5: last week. I mean he's so I had to dive in.

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Speaker 6: came back but wasn't playing great. So I know Evan

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Speaker 6: was jumping into some of this film, but I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I mean, it feels like the move they just had

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Speaker 6: Jonathan Jones can't get back on track this week.

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Speaker 1: I mean they literally like they have Sean Wade who's

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Speaker 1: they need cornerbacks. Yeah, I mean, maybe Jonathan Jones comes

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Speaker 4: That's true, and I've been falling into that.

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Speaker 1: And then he doesn't come back. You know.

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Speaker 1: But the fact a body, right, But the fact that

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Speaker 1: I mean that shows you that they think he could

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Paul and I are going to be

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Speaker 4: But I'm just sort of I'm done with the j

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Speaker 1: You can't wipe the white flag. And it's not fair

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Speaker 5: He makes a contract for the next three years, the remaining.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, he's under contract the next three years. But

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Speaker 4: I don't think there's any possible way the Patriots are

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Speaker 6: Him struct so they're just they're just covering this this

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Speaker 3: Got you, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I I

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Speaker 3: He's a ballhawk. He's inconsistent at times in coverage, but

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Speaker 3: the Patriots are going to be better equipped to work

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Speaker 1: And you know, you look at Derek Carr next week,

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Speaker 1: maybe Jimmy Garoppolo if he's playing two guys who will

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Speaker 6: I'm probably in between Evan and I don't share like

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Speaker 6: But at this point they got to get healthy in

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Speaker 3: To I don't know if it's necessarily excitement about watching

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Speaker 3: you have another NFL caliber corner that you're putting out there.

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Speaker 3: I frankly, I don't think Sean Wade is an NFL

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Speaker 3: It was a real death. I mean the Cowboys just

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Speaker 3: you know, no messing around, eleven personnel whatever.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we go, they got a good.

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Speaker 3: Okay, here we go. Where's twenty six?

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Speaker 8: Right?

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Speaker 3: Like that was the game?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So I hope I'm not stealing Jim Murray's version

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Speaker 6: of that. But he did a great version of Felgrim as.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, no, and I saw the compilation online today

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Speaker 3: It was good.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but it is kind of like why are cadences?

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Speaker 1: Say white whatever happened to down set right?

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Speaker 3: Too predictable? Need something different.

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Speaker 5: Like technobile hot hot Hute.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a good, good side story, good feature.

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Speaker 1: Where do cadences come from? Yeah? And like who had

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Speaker 1: When I when the first time I heard that, I

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Speaker 1: they were saying white lady for some reason. Why are

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Speaker 1: they saying white lady? White lady? Yes? Right, all right,

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Speaker 6: So just a real quick thing, you know, when that

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Speaker 6: So they went back and watched the twenty to not

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Speaker 6: the all of it, but a little the twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: Not great, Bob No, not a great pressuring front. I mean, Cameron,

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Speaker 3: I think they're thirty first in pressure rate. Yeah, so

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Speaker 3: Maybe I don't know he I mean, he he spoke

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Speaker 1: If he said that this morning and I did miss

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Speaker 5: Know, when you got to get the ball out, where

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Speaker 6: I mean, I'm kind of starting to write about it,

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Speaker 6: you know it's not like we all think Max okay

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Speaker 1: I mean, here's a fast start for him anyway, because

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Speaker 4: Do you think that that there's a leash for Mac.

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Speaker 5: Well that's the sphere, right. But I think it's a

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Speaker 5: good question by Paul, like what do you got? What

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Speaker 5: Of those things you know when you see it and

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Speaker 6: That because how we fell apart last week and how

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Speaker 5: We can't let Mac lose this game this week.

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Speaker 6: If he doesn't have it again, we got to get

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Speaker 1: I gotta, you know, you wonder like, okay, well, they

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Speaker 1: Is it conservative with the goal of we're gonna protect

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Speaker 6: You know, I mean their nineteenth in Blitz, right, so

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Speaker 5: When Kevin goes out to Kevin.

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Speaker 5: It's just it's not.

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Speaker 9: To be, right.

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Speaker 6: I still don't know how Calvin Anderson is in or

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Speaker 5: But all those guys were disastered.

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Speaker 1: But as Evan said yesterday, let's let's get the best

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Speaker 1: So?

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Speaker 3: I I think it's pretty clear at this point that

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Speaker 4: First round, but you said, just go with the five best.

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Speaker 4: So would you want it Strange at left guard, Mafi

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Speaker 1: Somewhat complicated when the other team is playing games and

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Speaker 3: that if you can get home with four and you

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Speaker 3: can drop seven in coverage, that's your formula. Mac is

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Speaker 3: one of those quarters. And I think because if you

442
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Speaker 3: start blitzing and taking guys out of coverage, like he'll

443
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Speaker 3: know where to go with the ball to beat the blitz.

444
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Speaker 3: Last year he didn't know where to go with the ball.

445
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Speaker 3: But I think that was more about coaching and coordination

446
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Speaker 3: this year with Bill O'Brien, I think he would know

447
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Speaker 3: where his hots are, know where his outlets are. If

448
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Speaker 3: you did bring pressure, they're just getting home with four.

449
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Speaker 3: They gotta do something with the offensive line. They absolutely have.

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Speaker 4: What I would do if I were a defensive coordinator

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Speaker 4: along the lines of what Evan's talking about is I

452
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Speaker 4: would make sure absolutely huge part of my game plan.

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Speaker 4: I need to hit him on the first or second series.

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Speaker 4: I need to hit him early, and then he'll think

455
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Speaker 4: about that, because I think we've seen that, you know,

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Speaker 4: throughout some of these throughout some of these games. I

457
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Speaker 4: think when he gets hit and knocked around early and

458
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Speaker 4: now that clock goes faster for him, and then you

459
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Speaker 4: don't have to go like way out of your comfort

460
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Speaker 4: zone if you don't blitz a lot. I wouldn't suggest

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Speaker 4: blitzing him a lot, because I think Evan's right. I

462
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Speaker 4: think he you know, lot of times those are the

463
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Speaker 4: easy throws to make. Is the quick you know, get

464
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Speaker 4: the ball out quick, no thought to be had. You

465
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Speaker 4: have a hot guy and you just go to him. Yeah,

466
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Speaker 4: and that's what he did against Philadelphia a lot.

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Speaker 6: I think this is a place to Paul, I think

468
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Speaker 6: your philosophy i'd like to see which is I'd like

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Speaker 6: to see so again. I know he wasn't good, but

470
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Speaker 6: like Jake Andrews, like they have you know, four fifths

471
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Speaker 6: of their offensive line are going to be free agents three,

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Speaker 6: you know, at least three of them.

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Speaker 1: So they got to.

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Speaker 5: Figure out what they have with those guys. I'd love

475
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Speaker 5: to see, you know, more of so just to give

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Speaker 5: him another chance, maybe he can play right tackle.

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Speaker 6: I just I wouldn't be opposed to getting a young

478
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Speaker 6: guy who's under contract, who has some potential. The question

479
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Speaker 6: for me was just Jake Andrews, Like, how do you

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Speaker 6: get Jake Andrews in there? What's Jake Andrew's gonna do?

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Speaker 5: Is he gonna be on him until I know, well,

482
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Speaker 5: I don't know, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I just didn't think he looks in the summer but

484
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Speaker 4: never But to the point like I would rather I

485
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Speaker 4: like Evan's sort of hypothetical there, but I even if

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Speaker 4: if it doesn't go to that, I would rather see

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Speaker 4: Calvin Anderson get another check because I STI kind of

488
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Speaker 4: considering a younger guy even though he's not you know,

489
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Speaker 4: he's not a rookie. He was bad. Like the Miami

490
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Speaker 4: game was really bad for him. Like, I'm not an offense.

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Speaker 3: I think he was. I think he was worse than Erian.

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, in that game. I absolutely would agree.

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Speaker 4: But maybe you know, you step back and you look

494
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Speaker 4: a little bit, maybe he you know, he wasn't really

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Speaker 4: ready yet, you know, based on all the time.

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Speaker 3: At least Vaderian Lowe has been like a speed bump

497
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Speaker 3: to the quarterback, like because he usually gets his hands

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Speaker 3: on the guy. He was really bad in the Miami game,

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Speaker 3: you know, Calvin Anderson, it just wasn't it was you know, Ola,

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Speaker 3: Like it wasn't even getting his hands on people. City

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Speaker 3: So at left guard is interesting to me because that's

502
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Speaker 3: where he played in college, was left guard, and that's

503
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Speaker 3: like his natural position. So if you wanted to convince

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Speaker 3: me to have City So at left guard and Mafia

505
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Speaker 3: at right guard and on when it had tackled and like,

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Speaker 3: I can buy into that. I just don't think that

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Speaker 3: they'll move off Cold Strange.

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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe maybe you put Cole Strange at right guard.

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Speaker 3: I think that they're pretty settled with him being a

510
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Speaker 3: left card. But you I mean, maybe it's a really.

511
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Speaker 1: Bad place for any team to be playing musical chairs

512
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Speaker 1: with your offensive line.

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Speaker 3: What time is practicing one tenth one tent while?

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Speaker 4: Because I think this is one of the more interesting

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Speaker 4: Evan is returned from practices, what we're going to have

516
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Speaker 4: because I think, yeah, the Wooten will be out there.

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Speaker 4: I would think based on the way everybody seems to

518
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Speaker 4: be reacting. But will you see Riley Reef? Will you

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Speaker 4: see anybody else?

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 4: That that is.

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Speaker 1: Kind of flowers?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that will really bumm me out too.

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Speaker 3: Riley Reef is an interesting one. Like if even if

525
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Speaker 3: he even if he's just an okay run blocker, like

526
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Speaker 3: they're dead last in the league and run blocking like

527
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Speaker 3: they can't they don't block the run well. So even

528
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Speaker 3: if you can just get you know, to Fred's point

529
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Speaker 3: of like getting you know, off to a good start,

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Speaker 3: and like their early down offense is brutal like that

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Speaker 3: a lot of people. I feel like we always talk

532
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Speaker 3: about third down and this like it's a sexy down.

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Speaker 3: The first and second down is the team that move

534
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Speaker 3: the ball well and score a lot of points are

535
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Speaker 3: great on first and second down. Yeah, they run the ball,

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Speaker 3: they play action off of it, they have different things

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Speaker 3: to work off of first and second down. That's like

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Speaker 3: the foundation of your off.

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Speaker 1: At the Cowboys. I don't know the actual stats, you

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Speaker 1: guys probably know, but like what were the their average

541
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Speaker 1: second down? Like I saw, I remember a lot of

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Speaker 1: second in threes, you know, like that. In other words,

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Speaker 1: good first down.

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Speaker 4: Play Those are the Brandon Cooks throws.

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Speaker 1: I think three.

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Speaker 4: I think he cut four passes. I bet your three

547
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Speaker 4: of them were on first downs. That created like second

548
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Speaker 4: and three and second and two.

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Speaker 1: Then that opens up your playbook, It makes it easier,

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Speaker 1: takes the pressure off everybody that's living. That's that's good living.

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Speaker 1: If you're on an offense.

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Speaker 4: Well, and then if you're good offensively and you're consistently

553
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Speaker 4: in those kinds of situations, that's when you make big plays,

554
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Speaker 4: right when you know when you get seven on first

555
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Speaker 4: down and you say to yourself, I have this first down, let's.

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Speaker 5: Just do a QB sneak.

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Speaker 6: Right seethings, but they happen in two we can just

558
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Speaker 6: pick up a first down.

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Speaker 3: They have to figure out a way to run the ball.

560
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Speaker 3: They have to figure out a way to run the ball.

561
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Speaker 3: If they can't run the ball, they're screwed. And if

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Speaker 3: that means putting Riley Reef at right tackle just because

563
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Speaker 3: he's kind of like that hard nosed run blocker type

564
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Speaker 3: of player, then fine, if that at least gives you

565
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Speaker 3: something so at left guard because he's a better run

566
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Speaker 3: blocker than Strange, like whatever the equation is. They have

567
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Speaker 3: to figure out how to run the football because that's

568
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Speaker 3: they're only you know, play action in sixteen percent of

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Speaker 3: the time. It's not enough with this quarterback. He needs

570
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Speaker 3: to play action to be closer to thirty percent of

571
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Speaker 3: the time. But you can't sequence all of that stuff

572
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Speaker 3: together if you're not running the ball.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, they might just have to bite the bullet,

574
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Speaker 1: play a lot of tackle eligible, just bring the guy

575
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Speaker 1: in just for an extra blocker, or go twelve, but

576
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Speaker 1: make it farough, you know as the extra blocker you

577
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Speaker 1: know in there, and just you know, limit your options

578
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Speaker 1: you know, downfield. But like you just might have to

579
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Speaker 1: do that.

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Speaker 3: They're tight ends, Like now that I'm on this whole

581
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Speaker 3: thing about the run game, they're tight ends. Stink at

582
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Speaker 3: run blocking. They stay. Pharaoh is like better than Henry

583
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Speaker 3: and Gasicki, but it's not like he's like a game

584
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Speaker 3: changing run blocker, Like he's just better than what they

585
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Speaker 3: have and they have to run thirteen personnel because none

586
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Speaker 3: of their tight ends can block. Yeah, so that's it.

587
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Speaker 3: And on top of that, I think one thing that

588
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Speaker 3: O'Brien can kind of help them out with is like,

589
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Speaker 3: can we stop using the tight ends at the point

590
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Speaker 3: of attack in the running game because they can't block.

591
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Speaker 3: So like having you know, running to the strength of

592
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Speaker 3: the formation where the tight ends are is doing you

593
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Speaker 3: no good because those guys can't block. So let's maybe

594
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Speaker 3: run it away from the tight end, or let's not

595
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Speaker 3: use Mike Gisiki as a lead blocker, you know, coming

596
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Speaker 3: through the hole, because he's not kicking anybody out. So

597
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Speaker 3: they've had Gasiki block way more than he should. Henry

598
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Speaker 3: is just not a very good blocker, and Pharaoh Brown

599
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Speaker 3: is what he is, and that that's where you're at

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Speaker 3: with the tight end.

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Speaker 6: It's just an interesting shift in philosophy to me because

602
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Speaker 6: I feel like they got more out of like a

603
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Speaker 6: Dan Graham type who you know is probably more on

604
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Speaker 6: the blocking and but allowed the run game to excel,

605
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Speaker 6: allowed the passing game around him to excel, and you know,

606
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Speaker 6: they didn't add Ferol Brown until after cuts, you know,

607
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Speaker 6: and so this is something that they've known that they've had.

608
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Speaker 6: When they had Hunter Henry and then they signed gets Sicky,

609
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Speaker 6: they knew they weren't getting another you know, legit blocking.

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Speaker 5: But it's it's just been.

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Speaker 6: A problem for me a lot of these times when

612
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Speaker 6: you just see these plays and it's like Hunter Henry

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Speaker 6: just he just doesn't get any push, you know, there's

614
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Speaker 6: not and I think you know, and it all connects,

615
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Speaker 6: like we talked about how the offensive line just can't

616
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Speaker 6: get to the second level and get guys blocked beyond

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Speaker 6: the line of scrimmage.

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Speaker 5: At best, it's going to be maybe a stalemate. Maybe

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Speaker 5: they get a little bit of a push.

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Speaker 6: But there's never you know, guys climbing to the second

621
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Speaker 6: level and we're getting blocks on linebackers and safeties. It's

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Speaker 6: you know, it's like maybe Remander breaks a couple of

623
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Speaker 6: tackles and is able to get eight yards, but that's

624
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Speaker 6: about the best that their run game can do right now.

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Speaker 1: They've been chasing offense since Brady left, and you know,

626
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Speaker 1: it's it's not that.

627
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Speaker 6: So it's just like bug me about watching the twenty

628
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Speaker 6: twenty one game because it's like it's Agualore out there.

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Speaker 6: It's John hus Smith like, and it's just like they're

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Speaker 6: all the same kind of guy guys, you know, like

631
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Speaker 6: they catch the ball, they get out of bounds, there's

632
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Speaker 6: no big plays there, you know.

633
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Speaker 5: It's it's been the same thing.

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Speaker 6: So I imagine everybody's as sick of it as we are,

635
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Speaker 6: and just hopefully they can turn the corner at some

636
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Speaker 6: point here. But I don't know what's going to take.

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Speaker 1: All right. Eight five five PATS five hundred is the

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Speaker 1: A Sticket hotline web radio at Patriots dot com is

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Speaker 1: the email address.

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Speaker 6: Jason mccordy's really rocking these uh these overallasy.

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Speaker 3: He likes to show off a little bit.

642
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I would too. I look like him. I

643
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Speaker 1: never put my shirt.

644
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Speaker 6: I know, he looks like he's a little when he.

645
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Speaker 3: Was here in the locker put his shirt on. Pencils.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get to the phones. Lots of emails

647
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Speaker 1: once again, like yesterday. People want to chime in and

648
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: I understand, so let's get to it. Matthews in New Mexico,

649
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 1: what's up, Matthew. Matthew, Hey, a little Morse code in

650
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Speaker 1: the back.

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Speaker 10: I'm with it, and like we have to show that

652
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Speaker 10: we can block a whole game and like just be consistent,

653
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Speaker 10: no matter if that's kick on waiting after the right

654
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Speaker 10: or whatever. We have to do, Like they have to

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Speaker 10: show that they can block. And Cameron Cameron Jordan's no joke,

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Speaker 10: you know. But my question for you guys is like

657
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Speaker 10: another hypothetical. So we know that we're not taking So

658
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Speaker 10: it's just a hypothetical, like we're like seven to ten

659
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 10: or fifteen or whatever in the draft, and we go, like,

660
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Speaker 10: you know, we change the regime to Ben Jonson, Like

661
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Speaker 10: do you if you're Ben Jonson, if you're Robert Kraft,

662
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Speaker 10: do you guys give him a chance to like work

663
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 10: with Max and see what they can do and I

664
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Speaker 10: try to, you know, bring him back. Or if we're

665
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Speaker 10: in like that middle of the range in the draft,

666
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Speaker 10: should we still try to get a quarterback or even

667
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 10: go in the free agency and try to get a

668
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 10: veteran and.

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Speaker 1: There, thanks, thanks Matthew, listen. I mean, if Max, if

670
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Speaker 1: Max here, obviously he's got to work with him. But

671
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Speaker 1: I like, if you're in seven to fifteen and the

672
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: guy you love, you know they're gonna scout quarterbacks, Okay,

673
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: they're not going to go into you know, this college

674
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: season not looking at quarterbacks. If the guy they love

675
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Speaker 1: is available at seven to fifteen, you can get them,

676
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Speaker 1: you get them. I don't care if you've decided to

677
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: keep Mac or you still got to get him, you're

678
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: you're in the quarterback market. If if there's a guy

679
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: you love and he's available.

680
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 4: Except to the new regime, you if you move on

681
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 4: from Bill, whoever comes in is probably going to be

682
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 4: a coach and a GM. Yeah, it's up to that.

683
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 4: I don't care if, like if Ben Johnson says like, yeah, no,

684
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 4: I've watched a lot of Mac Jones, and I think

685
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 4: it's fixable. I think we have there's plenty here to

686
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 4: work with, and that's what he wants.

687
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: That's fine.

688
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 4: But if he on the flip side he says we

689
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 4: need to do better at that position, then you have

690
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 4: to figure out how you go from there.

691
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Speaker 5: This guy can't do what I want to do.

692
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Speaker 6: I mean, I would say, right now as we sit here,

693
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Speaker 6: my you know philosophy, right or wrong would be to

694
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Speaker 6: retain Mac and get that high round pick on a

695
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 6: weapon of some sort, whether it's a wide receiver or

696
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 6: tight end.

697
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 5: You know, somebody who really moves the needle. Give Mac

698
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 5: a chance.

699
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 6: For a year to two years, and if he does too,

700
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Speaker 6: you've gotten out. You've gotten out with Mac when his

701
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 6: contract ends. I mean, that's just you know, my my

702
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 6: thinking of it is, it's been so hard to find

703
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 6: weapons that really move the needle, and I just.

704
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Speaker 5: I struggle with happening with what happened to Mac.

705
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 6: I almost think they got lucky with Mac because we see,

706
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 6: we saw what happened kind of in that middle range,

707
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Speaker 6: and we can talk about fields if he was here

708
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 6: and how it might look different.

709
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Speaker 5: But I just hate the idea of being like, we

710
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 5: got the fourth best quarterback in the draft. You know,

711
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 5: we picked the fourth quarterback, Like I.

712
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Speaker 6: If you can get one or two, I feel pretty

713
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 6: good about it. But what are the chances that they're like, well,

714
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,239
Speaker 6: we actually like the fourth quarterback best, like you know,

715
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Speaker 6: and that's what we're kind of sol.

716
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Speaker 1: Well Mac Mac to really believe that, not not, that's

717
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: just the public relations.

718
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Speaker 4: So yeah, it doesn't have to be a draft pick

719
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Speaker 4: if you don't have if you can't get the guy

720
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Speaker 4: you want, like Fred said, if there's the guy that

721
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 4: you want, then take him. But if you don't if

722
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Speaker 4: the guy you want isn't there, then yeah, then you

723
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 4: have to find another way to go about it. If

724
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 4: you've decided to move on, and like you know, like

725
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 4: we threw out there yesterday, Kirk Cousins, while you're waiting

726
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 4: to get in position to get the guy for the future.

727
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 4: Like I think that everybody just is so soured on

728
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 4: the draft and this is my boy, and I'll go

729
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 4: in and get yelled at today later, you know, Mike is,

730
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 4: like Felger is just so adamantly opposed to going back

731
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:23,959
Speaker 4: in the draft and try to get a quote back

732
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 4: because quote it never works when there's a litany of

733
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Speaker 4: teams that have done it with first round draft because

734
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 4: almost all these guys are first round picks, and if

735
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 4: you want one of them, you generally you just got

736
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 4: to hit on it. It's not easy. I get that

737
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 4: that there's a lot of guys that get taken in

738
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 4: the first round that crap out, but there's a lot

739
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 4: of Josh Allen's, Patrick Mahomes's and Joe Burrows that don't.

740
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 4: You have to find one that doesn't.

741
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Speaker 1: Who was saying this is while Brady was here. I

742
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: don't know if it was somebody on our team. But

743
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: somebody said you should take a quarterback every year.

744
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 4: In the draft. In the draft, I'm gonna believeab.

745
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 3: That's a run of yes, yes, yeah, Okay, that's where

746
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 3: I packers.

747
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 4: And you know, it's just good business.

748
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean the Patriots.

749
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 4: Almost do yep, yeah, Bill, Bill strongly.

750
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 3: Even when Brady was here, they they drafted like eight

751
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 3: other quarterbacks or something like that with Brady and I.

752
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 4: Could yeah, I mean, we could cover you some names

753
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 4: and you'd forget all about them.

754
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: But like, you know, the.

755
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 4: Cliff Kingsbury's and the Zach Robinson's of the world. It's

756
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 4: not just like I was gonna say, it's not just

757
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 4: high picks like Rohan Davey and Kevin O'Connell. You know,

758
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 4: Matt Castle, seventh round guy who didn't even start in college.

759
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 4: You know that just it's just good business to draft

760
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 4: and try to develop quarterbacks.

761
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: All right, Let's see, we'll go to Eric in New Jersey.

762
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: What's up? Eric?

763
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Speaker 11: Hey, guys, the J P. Jackson. You know again, it's

764
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 11: just you know, we're plugging holes. I get it would

765
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Speaker 11: have been criminal just to ride out with you know,

766
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 11: Bryan Wade and then whatever you're going to get back.

767
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 8: From the Jones guys.

768
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Speaker 11: I mean, it would have been criminal.

769
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Speaker 1: Just I agree with that, but it's the you're.

770
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Speaker 11: Just plugging holds. I mean, jac had he also had

771
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 11: ankle surgery this summer. Again. You know, I don't think

772
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 11: I didn't have high aspirations for this team. I think

773
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 11: you know, Paul's right, you know we're gonna get the

774
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 11: corpse to trade Flowers. That's called Dante. Let's bring the

775
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 11: gang back. I just don't I mean, Bill know you

776
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 11: can trade for offensive players.

777
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: Again.

778
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 11: I'm not saying that, you know, you gotta go break,

779
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 11: you know, break the world here, but this some something

780
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 11: out there and I'll take it off the line.

781
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 9: Thanks, guys.

782
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, is this the time to do a

783
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: blockbuster trade? No?

784
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 4: And that like, and I'm not I'm not like storming

785
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 4: the best deal because they traded for J. C.

786
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: Jackson. I get it.

787
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 4: Evan's probably right. I'm being stubborn about this that you

788
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 4: have Sean Wade and you need better than Sean Wade.

789
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 4: I you know, I kind of look at it a

790
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 4: little bit more like the caller, just in terms of

791
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 4: my thoughts on the ensuing three months of the season.

792
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 4: But I understand why Bill can't look at it that way.

793
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 4: He can't there They're in the middle of an NFL.

794
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: It's like if someone's bleeding and you're not gonna give

795
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: them stitches, you gotta give them the stitches. But no,

796
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: but I agree with the call. It'd be criminal to

797
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: not do something at that position right now. It's not

798
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,760
Speaker 1: fair to but it's not fair to everybody on the team.

799
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 5: I mean you can barely practice with them, you know.

800
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean like if this was like at the

801
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 3: trade deadline, like a month from now, and they were,

802
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 3: you know, two and six or two and seven or

803
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 3: whatever the math is, I would say, like, what do

804
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 3: you what are you wasting your You're four games into

805
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 3: the season, like you still have thirteen games to go.

806
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 3: Do I think they're gonna turn it around? No, of

807
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 3: course not.

808
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: I don't.

809
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 3: I think we all don't think that. But like, is

810
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 3: there is there a world where where the offense, you know,

811
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 3: finally starts to come together with under Bill O'Brien and

812
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 3: his scheme starts to take hold and they start to

813
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 3: make some plays, And yeah, there is a dream world

814
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 3: where that happens, and this gives them a chance to

815
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 3: be competitive again on defense.

816
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, and do it.

817
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 4: Every time I say something stupid like this, it comes

818
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 4: back and on it'll haunt me. Well, they'll I'm just

819
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 4: not surprised that he was adding to the defense, let's

820
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 4: just put it that way. Well, I know, but at

821
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 4: this point, the offense is taking on water Fred, like

822
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,720
Speaker 4: we're talking about, like there's some injuries in the secondary.

823
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 4: They're gonna get somebody. They don't have anybody when they're

824
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 4: healthy on offense. And evidently that's fine. Now tomorrow they'll

825
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 4: trade for Chase Claypool. They'll get another guy that another

826
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 4: team wants out of their building at all costs.

827
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, but if you're bringing somebody on offense,

828
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 1: you're just you know, you're just.

829
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 4: Trying to improve your offense that is non existent.

830
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: But at this point, I don't know if you're going

831
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 1: to be able to do that in quarterback. It's at

832
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: quarterback you have to bring somebody in. It's a it's

833
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: a numbers game at this point too, not just you know, oh,

834
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 1: we got to do better than Sean Wade. We don't

835
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 1: have a lot of corners.

836
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I think you don't have any wide receivers,

837
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 4: like you don't have any buddy that can make a plan.

838
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: You have wide receivers, but at.

839
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 4: Least we could talk like your thing, like all right,

840
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 4: let's have Sean Wade equivalent at wide receiver is what

841
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 4: you have. For some reason, you're okay with it.

842
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: I I think that's overstating it. I don't.

843
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 5: I mean, I think Thornton, Douglas, those are the you know, a.

844
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 3: Taekwond you know these guys.

845
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 6: Get those guys a chance, I mean, or anybody. I mean,

846
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:22,760
Speaker 6: how much confidence do you have even if they traded

847
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 6: for a wide receiver.

848
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 4: I had my my Douglas thing yesterday, like eighteen snaps

849
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 4: for him is criminal criminal.

850
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 6: So there, I mean, that's the spot I think where

851
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 6: you talk about let's get the young guys, let's start

852
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 6: to make a move into that. I I just wonder,

853
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 6: at some point, are you going to see Douglas playing

854
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 6: over Juju.

855
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 5: And in the key moments Max Thorny but Douglas.

856
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: But that's the point you kind of have in house

857
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: resources that you haven't tapped yet that you could still use.

858
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: That's not the case of cornerback at this point. You know,

859
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: it's a different situation that they're in.

860
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 3: I'm talking myself back into Taekwon, Well I do it

861
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 3: every time?

862
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: Why not?

863
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 3: Well, well that's that's the main thing, is why not.

864
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 3: But I also thought in training camp, you know, the

865
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 3: little bit that we did see and in OTAs in

866
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 3: the spring, like, I do think that Bill O'Brien has

867
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 3: a plan of how to help him get off the

868
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,399
Speaker 3: line of scrimmage, so he's not just going one on

869
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 3: one against press coverage all the time, which obviously he

870
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 3: can't do. And is it gonna be like this high volume, No,

871
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 3: of course not, like he's not gonna be a thousand

872
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 3: yard receiver, I don't think. But is it gonna bring

873
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 3: an element that they don't currently have?

874
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 1: It? Could?

875
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 3: I mean, the only guy that can run by anybody

876
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 3: on their current roster is is Douglas and they don't

877
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 3: play him. So it just they have to get some

878
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 3: speed on the field on offense, especially on the outside,

879
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 3: and maybe Taekwon can do that.

880
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 6: Do you think any of it comes at Bourne's expense?

881
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 6: I mean, do you think Bourne has done enough to conte.

882
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 3: What I kind of what I would love to see?

883
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 3: And like I get why you're asking the question because

884
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 3: they seem obsessed with Devonte Parker and Juju. They paid

885
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 3: him and they're gonna want to play him. But like

886
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 3: Pop Douglas, Taekwon, Kendrick Bourne, Mike ISSICKI is like the

887
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 3: fastest group that you could put out on the field.

888
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 3: And I get speed is in everything, but at least

889
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 3: like you have some element of dynamic, you know, movers

890
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 3: out there at that point, you know, I just they

891
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 3: gotta get some speed on the outside, and that's all

892
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 3: Taekwon is right now.

893
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: Donnie's in Pittsburgh. Hey Donnie, Hey all, thanks.

894
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 9: For taking the call again. Uh, they're just looking ahead

895
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 9: at the Saints. It's gonna be tough to win with

896
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 9: the injuries and everything that happened on defense. Uh, I

897
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 9: think it's gonna be even tougher to win if they're

898
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 9: rolling back out there again and you know, they're not

899
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 9: taking him out like you guys said early in the

900
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 9: game if he struggles. I know we called yesterday and

901
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 9: Evan kind of chuckled, you know, with the suggestion of

902
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 9: zappy in any way, and I really respect him. It's

903
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 9: knowledge as a football guy. You and Barth are two

904
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 9: of my favorites. But I'm looking at it from an

905
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 9: organizational standpoint and from the standpoint of his teammates. At

906
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 9: what point is it just time? You know? The hunter

907
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,399
Speaker 9: Henry called Wei for his interview Monday morning. The dude

908
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 9: just sounds depressed. He sounds checked out. He's like, they

909
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 9: asked him how to fix it. He goes, so, I

910
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 9: don't know, stop turning the ball over. You know, It's

911
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 9: like the answer is just at quarterback. And you guys

912
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 9: are talking about they have to run the ball, they

913
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 9: have to do this to help them. They can't do

914
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 9: that because opposing defenses don't respect Mac. So it doesn't

915
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,399
Speaker 9: matter how they line up, they're just not there.

916
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 3: But they're going to respect Zappy. Like I'm not trying

917
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,879
Speaker 3: to come at you. I just like, I just don't

918
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 3: see how how Zappy changes that that equation, like that

919
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 3: they're now all of a sudden, they're not going to

920
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 3: stack the box because Bailey Zappi is at quarterback.

921
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 9: I think that might actually be true. I don't know

922
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 9: as much about football as you. I trust your evaluation

923
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 9: of Zappy, but you just look at the one series

924
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 9: he had the other day. You know, Parker who was

925
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 9: tired and had been running routes all day, all of

926
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 9: a sudden, pulls off his signature, moved to the sideline,

927
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 9: and the passes they are on time and the defense

928
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 9: isn't stacking the box and he's able to get it

929
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 9: out in the time the line gives him.

930
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 4: What if I told you Zappi played like five series

931
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 4: the other day, not one. He played like the last

932
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 4: half of the third quarter and all of the fourth.

933
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 1: And and you remember one.

934
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 4: Play and I listen, I thought Zapi looked better in

935
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 4: that game than Mac did. But that's really more of

936
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 4: an indictment on Mac. I didn't really I thought Zabi

937
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 4: did a good job of sliding around and moving a

938
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 4: little bit, but you know, he went four for nine.

939
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 4: You know, it wasn't like the offense was productive when

940
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 4: Zappi went in.

941
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 3: It wasn't they also.

942
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 4: Point and he was also getting Yeah, he was also

943
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,760
Speaker 4: getting to play against the Cowboys defense that it decided

944
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,439
Speaker 4: the game is over and they still couldn't move the ball.

945
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 3: Apparently the Patriots also decided to correct over. So that

946
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,720
Speaker 3: I mean, like you can't if you want to point

947
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 3: to the last year's games with Bailey Zapi, then like

948
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 3: I guess fine, but you can't take anything away from

949
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 3: those snaps.

950
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 1: Zappian does not make the offense better and and if

951
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: things go south, putting him in just settles the crowd

952
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 1: a little bit. That's all it is. That's that's all

953
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: it is.

954
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 4: There was three series that he that he played and

955
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 4: they didn't move the ball and really had one.

956
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 6: I think that's the bigger question Fred, other than do

957
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 6: they have Mac on a leash? Is if Max starts slow,

958
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 6: does the stadium start chanting happy?

959
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: That's why I brought that up. Yeah, well that's why

960
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: I'm hoping for it, and I'm wondering starts so that

961
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: the you know, and like, who cares what the fans thing?

962
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 1: It can get ugly, It can get ugly, and you

963
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 1: don't want that for anybody. You don't want just because

964
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: I have to deal.

965
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 4: Well, just because Bill doesn't care doesn't mean that the

966
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 4: players don't, right, And I just would wonder if this

967
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 4: is going to be a situation where they feel like

968
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 4: they can't allow him to play a typically sort of

969
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 4: unencumbered game plan because for fear that he's gonna because

970
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 4: the be all, end all for everything that comes out

971
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 4: of that locker room has got to protect the ball

972
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 4: turnovers and if they just decide, well, we have to

973
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 4: play the way we played against the Jets. Great who

974
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 4: was buckle up for a thirteen to ten game, who.

975
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: Was Max teammate last year. That's it. You know, you're hearing,

976
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,280
Speaker 1: you know, cries for he's no longer.

977
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 3: Here, he's on the Raiders.

978
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:57,879
Speaker 4: He's now catching eighty games.

979
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: I understand that, but like he you know, players hear

980
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: this thing. Myself. Players hear this stuff, you know, and

981
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: not to mention the quarterback who it's all directed at,

982
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, but.

983
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 3: The I don't necessarily know if it's like like maybe

984
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 3: it is conservative. But they they only call they only

985
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 3: ran two screens the entire game last week, two screens

986
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 3: and some of the some of their RPOs, like we

987
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 3: had screens that they didn't throw and they ran the

988
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 3: ball and set. But like the bottom like you're facing

989
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 3: a pass rush like that and you'll only call two

990
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 3: screen passes and the first one was to Zeke in

991
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,760
Speaker 3: like the second quarter. Like that was just really surprising

992
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 3: to me. So like to this point of like conservative

993
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 3: offense or like kind of putting the training wheels back on,

994
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 3: it's you know, it's play action it's screens, it's quick game,

995
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 3: like those are the things that they just didn't really

996
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 3: they kind of just like played them toe to toe

997
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 3: out of the gate on Sunday, and I think that they,

998
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 3: like me, I'm gonna like, they thought that they could

999
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 3: just do it right, Like they thought that they would

1000
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:01,320
Speaker 3: just be able to go toe to tweh with Dallas's defense,

1001
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 3: and they didn't.

1002
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: Really.

1003
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 3: They chipped Parson some and things like that, but they didn't.

1004
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 3: The play calling itself was not curtailed like it was

1005
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 3: in Week one against Philly where they called I think

1006
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,919
Speaker 3: fourteen screens or something crazy like that, and they were

1007
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 3: really careful about down in distance and not allowing the

1008
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 3: Eagles front to tee off against Mac and things like that.

1009
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 3: And then this week they just they just kind of

1010
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 3: threw them out there and you saw what happened. So like,

1011
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 3: I definitely think that the play calling has to be

1012
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 3: significantly different. And if that's Conserva makes it conservative, then

1013
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:34,280
Speaker 3: that makes it conservative.

1014
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 6: Well.

1015
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: But but going back to like what Max said, I

1016
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:41,439
Speaker 1: have to stay within the program, and you know, if

1017
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: you said that, I'm sure it's that sentiment is shared

1018
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: with his coaches and so was part of last week's

1019
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 1: failure Mac not staying in the program, and had he

1020
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 1: it might have looked a little different. I don't I know, well,

1021
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: with the calls that they were calling.

1022
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 5: There was some place to be made that you missed.

1023
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 6: I don't know if it would have made a difference in

1024
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 6: the game, but I think they could have had a

1025
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 6: little bit more successful.

1026
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 3: I just think, like one hundred percent it would have

1027
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 3: been better. But you got to you gotta get back

1028
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 3: to finding some layups for him in this offense. Like

1029
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 3: it can't it can't all be like Max look at

1030
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 3: you know, drops back to pass and it's this progression

1031
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,839
Speaker 3: read and he's got to read out everything and make

1032
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 3: the right Like. You gotta have some plays on first

1033
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 3: and second down where it's just even if it's only

1034
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 3: five yards, like it's just an easy dink and dunk, right,

1035
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,800
Speaker 3: it's just an easy throw, it's a run, it's something

1036
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 3: like a screen, you know, anything to just kind of

1037
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 3: get some early down momentum for the offense. Like I

1038
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 3: think last week they put him in a lot of

1039
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 3: you know, pretty pretty much like spread the field and

1040
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 3: make some decisions. Like the very first play of the game,

1041
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 3: they hit Hunter Henry for a fourteen yard completion on

1042
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 3: play action and then they just like that was it?

1043
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 3: You know, it just they gotta when you have a

1044
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 3: quarterback that's limited like Mac, you gotta do things to

1045
00:44:59,000 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 3: help him.

1046
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 5: Why did they get away from all this stuff?

1047
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 6: Because it seems like the same conversation we were having

1048
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 6: last year where it was like they don't run any

1049
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 6: play action, there's no motion, they're not doing any of

1050
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,399
Speaker 6: the things to help Mac, and yet even when they

1051
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 6: do a little bit of it and have a little

1052
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 6: bit of success, it seems like they get away from it.

1053
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 6: Is it because they don't know Mac or they think

1054
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 6: Mac can be something that he isn't yet and they're trying.

1055
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 5: To like force that issue.

1056
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 6: Like it's just like they seems like they're continually getting

1057
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 6: away from what he does best and not playing to

1058
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 6: his strengths and trying to like force him out of

1059
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 6: his comfort zone.

1060
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1061
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 3: I don't know. I just I look at it similarly

1062
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 3: in that the way that they play they ran the

1063
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 3: plays last week, it's like they think he's a gunslinger,

1064
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 3: you know, like they like got when you were in

1065
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 3: a guy that just like lives in shotgun and they

1066
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 3: just spread out the field and they just make you

1067
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 3: just distribute the ball from there like those are like

1068
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 3: what like Joe Burrow and Josh Allen and Herbert like

1069
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 3: that's what those guys did see.

1070
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 1: I don't think that they want him to do that.

1071
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: I think what Mac isn't doing is getting the ball

1072
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: out on time, trusting his receivers and throwing guys open

1073
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: and understanding what NFL Open is compared to Alabama. I know,

1074
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: I know we're three years away from it, but you know, uh,

1075
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 1: I agree more with you friend, you know, like just

1076
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: get rid of the ball on time at the top

1077
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: of the break, not you know, not waiting for this guy.

1078
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 3: I agree with him too, but I don't know if

1079
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 3: he can do it consistently.

1080
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 4: So I don't think he can. But that's that's not

1081
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 4: that's what we were told he could.

1082
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 1: Like we were told he's an accurate passer who sees

1083
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 1: the field. You know, his his superpower is is his brain.

1084
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 4: And how many scouting reports if you've heard over the

1085
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 4: years that didn't turn out.

1086
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: To be accurate, right?

1087
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 4: No, I know, I know we were told that Tom

1088
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 4: Brady was a week on quarterback from the day he stopped.

1089
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 4: I don't feel that was false.

1090
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: No, no, and it could be bad intelligence. But I'm like,

1091
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,399
Speaker 1: you just got to keep telling him to do it,

1092
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,879
Speaker 1: because I'd rather have him fail that way than how

1093
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:57,359
Speaker 1: he failed on Sunday.

1094
00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 4: You know, I don't again, he said this yesterday. I

1095
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 4: don't look at Sunday as indicative of what we've seen.

1096
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 4: For whatever the thirty whatever start, how many stars has

1097
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 4: he married down thirty six starts? I didn't Sunday was

1098
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 4: exceptionally bad for him. I don't think that's indicative of

1099
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 4: what he's done. But I do think sort of, you know,

1100
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 4: one of the things he said today, even that I

1101
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 4: caught about, you know, his eyes making sure that his

1102
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 4: eyes were in the right place. I saw that on Sunday.

1103
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 4: I thought he was paying more attention to the rush

1104
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,720
Speaker 4: than he was looking. And that's why on a fourth

1105
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 4: down play, he has DeVante Parker on a shallow cross

1106
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 4: across the middle, open enough and he doesn't get him. Now,

1107
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 4: Dak Prescott did the same thing on a fourth down. Now,

1108
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 4: the difference was they were up like thirty one to

1109
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 4: three at the time, and he missed Ferguson wide open

1110
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 4: on a fourth down and ended up getting sacked. Sometimes

1111
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 4: you know, quarterbacks miss it because they're watching their rush

1112
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 4: or whatever. The play action thing, isn't that something that

1113
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 4: if wanted to be under center more, they could be

1114
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 4: under center. And why, Like I get the impression. That's

1115
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 4: why I'm more with you, Fred, Like, I think they're

1116
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 4: in shotgun as much as they are because that's what

1117
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 4: he wants.

1118
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: He feels more comfortable.

1119
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 4: I think he feels more comfortable. I agree, because I

1120
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 4: don't think he I don't think he's good enough. I mean,

1121
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 4: but I don't think he's good enough under center either.

1122
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 3: They're averaging eight yards attempt off play action. Now some

1123
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 3: of that skewed by Pharaoh Brown's touchdown, we don't have

1124
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 3: some of it. Have a small stay up here.

1125
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 4: Tell me that they have a tiny percentage of plays

1126
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 4: you know, under center, and one of them was a

1127
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 4: sixty yard touchdown.

1128
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it just going back to all three years

1129
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 3: though he's been a pretty productive play action passer, like

1130
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 3: even you know, twenty one was especially good. But like

1131
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 3: like all three years, when they call play action, he's

1132
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 3: better than you know, average at that. And I think

1133
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 3: that when they use some of these tricks of the

1134
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 3: trade that offensive coordinators use, like play action, you know,

1135
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 3: like screens, like motion, like RPO, like it helps him

1136
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 3: just make throws. Like I don't think it to reads

1137
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 3: thing necessarily with him. Sometimes I think it's he doesn't

1138
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,439
Speaker 3: have the ability to sit back there and go through

1139
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 3: sideline to sideline and be able to make a throw,

1140
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 3: you know, just to any open receiver, Like you have

1141
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 3: to really be calculated and where what areas of the

1142
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 3: field he's attacking, Like when he's throwing, his rhythm is

1143
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,879
Speaker 3: timing like all that type of stuff, Because if he's

1144
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 3: a second late to a sideline throw, it's a pick six. Yeah,

1145
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,879
Speaker 3: so you just you can't. You have to be able

1146
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 3: to calculate all those things into the play calling.

1147
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,240
Speaker 5: What if he's five seconds late from across the field,

1148
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 5: stop it.

1149
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,959
Speaker 1: Jackson's in Alabama? Heye, Jackson, Hey, hey FD.

1150
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 12: I just wanted to like just sit here and ponder

1151
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 12: on this first second, is there any way that we

1152
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 12: get a top five pick that we're not going to

1153
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 12: trade it? And also I was want to put this

1154
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 12: in and say, Evan, you're giving a very big Mike

1155
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 12: McDaniel's vibes right now, and I think that maybe.

1156
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: You need to be in line for the all, you're

1157
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 1: not the first person who said that.

1158
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:08,280
Speaker 3: Mc daniels might hear all right, thanks Jackson.

1159
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 1: I know he might be a little bit joking. But

1160
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 1: top five pick, I hope they don't trade it.

1161
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 4: Well, here's the thing. Who would be willing to trade

1162
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 4: a top five pick a team that has a quarter

1163
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 4: Bill Belichick may have a top five pick. I don't

1164
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 4: think Bill Belicher is going.

1165
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 3: To be a position to be he would love to

1166
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 3: trade that pick.

1167
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 4: I don't. I mean, I'm sorry, but if they're picking

1168
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 4: in the top five, I said, I was the only

1169
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 4: one yesterday that said, I think he'll be back. But

1170
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 4: if they're picking in the top five, I think you

1171
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 4: guys are right and I'll be wrong. I don't think

1172
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 4: he'll be back. You guys all suggested that if it

1173
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 4: continues like this that he'll be gone yesterday, and I

1174
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 4: was the only one that said, I don't see it.

1175
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 4: But if it's that bad, you're talking three four wins, Yeah,

1176
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 4: it's gonna be hard with the left five maybe the.

1177
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 5: Left tackle need is what scares me there because it's

1178
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 5: like I get it.

1179
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:57,879
Speaker 6: I mean, it's the same thing we said last year,

1180
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 6: Like I get it, but you'd love to have a

1181
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 6: guy who moves to the needle on offense.

1182
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 1: Brian's in Detroit.

1183
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 13: Yeah, hey, guys, longtime listener. I live in Detroit, season

1184
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 13: ticket over the Lions, and I just wanted to let

1185
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,399
Speaker 13: you guys know a little bit about Ben Johnson having

1186
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 13: brought him up yesterday, soone else brought him up today.

1187
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 13: Everybody keeps possibles to Bill Belichick. But man, I was

1188
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,800
Speaker 13: at training camp this year Ben Johnson. Man, there was

1189
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 13: this old lady. I was walking in there, and he

1190
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 13: stepped right in front of her and said, you're not

1191
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 13: allowed to come in here. My kids go to the

1192
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 13: same school as Ben Johnson's kids. At the school play,

1193
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 13: Ben Jenson got up right in front and said, everyone

1194
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 13: watched my child. He's just all about me guy, And

1195
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 13: if you watch real closely, it's all Jared goffin this offense.

1196
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 13: Jared Goff is teaching Ben Johnson how to call these plays. Yes,

1197
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 13: everything that he got from Sean McVay. This might be

1198
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 13: one of the Ben Johnson is not the guy that

1199
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 13: you guys want to start targeting to replace Bill Belichick.

1200
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:01,800
Speaker 4: Okay, well, the rest of the league disagrees with you.

1201
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 1: Thank you.

1202
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 4: That was a wild call that was that was weird,

1203
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:06,959
Speaker 4: Like I care about a school play?

1204
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I don't know what.

1205
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 4: Like if we're gonna go by personalities, we have the

1206
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,399
Speaker 4: greatest coaches ever played. We're gonna go by personalities, now,

1207
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:17,760
Speaker 4: I please. The greatest coach's ever been in the league

1208
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:19,959
Speaker 4: is the Patriots coach for the last twenty five years.

1209
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 4: A personality is not necessarily high on his list.

1210
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 1: I want to hear more. I want to hear like,

1211
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 1: I'll have to talk to Hardy see what he has

1212
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 1: to say. Let's go to Eric at amherstburg Ville.

1213
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 8: He to how's your day going.

1214
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 14: I hope it's going good.

1215
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 1: Oh, you've been listening, you know, fair enough?

1216
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 15: So, Fred, I disagree with you. Our wide receivers, as

1217
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 15: a Gready puts it, our sank and dunk, we do

1218
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:53,760
Speaker 15: not have anyone who is even close to Sean Wayne's

1219
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 15: level on the offensive side.

1220
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 4: When it comes to my opinion, Oh, come on, I

1221
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 4: think it's comparable. I think that's an old statement, but

1222
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 4: I think that you're dealing with secondary guys that wouldn't

1223
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 4: be frontline players on other teams, on both on both sides.

1224
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 3: I think we only care about it the receivers that

1225
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 3: they have bodies at receiver.

1226
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 4: Whether you have bodies that in the secondary they're not

1227
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 4: good ones, but their bodies you have Miles Brian, Jalen Mills,

1228
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 4: and Sean Wade, I mean dead bodies just like Juju Smith,

1229
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 4: Schuster and taekwand Wolton, and.

1230
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 3: But you have you go over around, go five or

1231
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 3: six deep at receiver of just receivers on the team

1232
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 3: that are have played in an NFL game before, Like

1233
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 3: you only go three deep at corner.

1234
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: It's a much more dire situation right now at corner.

1235
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 4: Right now, I think you have a much more dire situation.

1236
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 4: On offense in general, you can't score, you can't What

1237
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:44,879
Speaker 4: are you going to do to help that? Pall right now?

1238
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 4: Trade for somebody like you just did on defense.

1239
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:49,320
Speaker 1: You're talking about a big trade.

1240
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 4: No, not a big trade, a trade like this, a

1241
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 4: nothing trade to get an NFL player to use your example.

1242
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you just said that he's not any good J. C. Jackson.

1243
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 4: I don't think he is, but obviously the rest of

1244
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:04,839
Speaker 4: the available Okay, so then go and make a trade

1245
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 4: for Chase Claypool.

1246
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 1: You know, but you don't think he's gonna make, you know,

1247
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: move the needles.

1248
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 4: I don't, But you guys, do you guys like these

1249
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 4: guys that no one else I don't. I don't think

1250
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 4: Chase Chase Claypool right now the situation, they don't have

1251
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,839
Speaker 4: anybody on offense to make it play.

1252
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think.

1253
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 4: And the one guy that I think they might have,

1254
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 4: he won't play for whatever reason.

1255
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:26,800
Speaker 1: Who you talking about Douglas?

1256
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 15: Yeah, Douglas is the only guy who can make a

1257
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 15: play bill for some reason, think Juju character. The slow

1258
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 15: guys are gonna help mac. As Evan said earlier, Matt

1259
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:40,359
Speaker 15: can't make certain throws and these guys are not getting

1260
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 15: to the spots quick enough to allow him to get

1261
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 15: make these throws. Defense has been ruled out of the NFL.

1262
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 15: We need to get more explosive on offense. Jac Jackson, Yeah, great,

1263
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 15: you've traded for him. This would have been a great

1264
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 15: trade in January so that.

1265
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 8: We didn't need to take gonzalas who the defense without him,

1266
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 8: you see what I mean?

1267
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 16: And you could have taken a guy like.

1268
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 15: Jsm Zy, someone who could have given you life with

1269
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 15: a guy like Douglas.

1270
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:12,839
Speaker 4: Later, Gonzales has already had three games better than anything

1271
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 4: Jac Jackson ever did.

1272
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 2: As a Patriot.

1273
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:15,359
Speaker 3: That's pretty good.

1274
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, I mean that's how that's like, this is

1275
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:22,439
Speaker 4: what I'm talking about. Like, just go by the name

1276
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 4: and the reputation and the stats and watch the game.

1277
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 1: Like J. C.

1278
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 4: Jackson, especially against the kind of teams that the Patriots

1279
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 4: have played in the first month, has never been able

1280
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 4: to perform the way Gonzales did. Go back to that

1281
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 4: playoff game, the forty seven to seventeen game.

1282
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 1: JA C.

1283
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 4: Jackson was your number one quarter that night. How did

1284
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 4: Digs do?

1285
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: Now?

1286
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 4: I know that Gonzales never got a chance to go

1287
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 4: against Digs specifically, but he went against, as Mike likes

1288
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:52,359
Speaker 4: to say, digs adjacent kind of receivers throughout the first

1289
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 4: month and didn't look like.

1290
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:55,840
Speaker 5: That didn't not Wasn't there something else going on with

1291
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 5: jac Jackson in that game? Didn't he tap out?

1292
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 4: The whole team tapped out in the second half? And well,

1293
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 4: that'll be nice be one of my favorite Patriots of

1294
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 4: all time.

1295
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 1: John's in Washington, d C. What's up, John?

1296
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:10,399
Speaker 16: Hey, how's it going guys?

1297
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 1: Okay?

1298
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 16: You know, just you know, we're sort of steering here,

1299
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 16: and I think we were sort of going around. But

1300
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 16: you know, I think Paul's right. You know, we do

1301
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 16: need more talent on offense. I don't know where you

1302
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 16: get it. There's I've been wondering. You know, I look

1303
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Speaker 16: back at the drafts and the last two drafts, and

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Speaker 16: I just think, you know, corner the corner depth was

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00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 16: something I was screaming for in my uh thing beyond Gonzales. Obviously,

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Speaker 16: I was talking about like a fourth round pick instead

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00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 16: of City So or somebody like that. And and I

1308
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 16: just look at people that fell in that fourth round,

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Speaker 16: or like Chariq Willans who fell after jackne instead of

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00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 16: Jack Jones the year before, and I'm like, yeah, because

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00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 16: I was worried. This is my nightmare of Sean Wade

1312
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 16: and Myles Bryant being your primary corners.

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00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 4: And that's that's a fair second guest. And we all

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00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 4: talked about like heading into the year in terms of depth,

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00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:05,879
Speaker 4: that was a spot that we were all worried about.

1316
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 4: And then unfortunately you've seen it unfold right before our eyes.

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00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, but at the same time, like they had their

1318
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 3: top four corners got hurt, like the whole room got

1319
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 3: wiped out. But we're not talking like, but.

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Speaker 16: I question whether I questioned how good Jack Jones and

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00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:22,959
Speaker 16: Marcus Jones are correctly.

1322
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 4: I thought it was a house of cards. That position

1323
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 4: I thought was a house of cards.

1324
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 3: So that's fair.

1325
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 4: I can't be a fraud about it. He's right. This

1326
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 4: is some of the things that I John is the

1327
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 4: corner me. He's called me out that.

1328
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 16: Me the most about next year. He's not just the

1329
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 16: offense in general, not just the offensive line. I look

1330
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 16: at the defensive line, I look at the pass rushers,

1331
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 16: I look at the edge betters, and I'm like, God,

1332
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 16: there's really not hot. They need help everywhere on this roster.

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00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I think there they were pretty

1334
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 3: well stocked coming into the year on defense. They they

1335
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 3: spent every resource they positively could to be well stocked

1336
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 3: on defense. I mean, they brought back every starter besides

1337
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 3: Devin mccordy, who retired. They drafted three guys at the

1338
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 3: top of the draft. On defense, you you prepare to

1339
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 3: lose players at every position. Any team that has their

1340
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 3: top four cornerbacks get wiped out at by injury all

1341
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 3: at once isn't going to be in the day.

1342
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 4: But I would feel the same if they just lost

1343
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 4: Gonzales or if they just lost Jones, like I thought

1344
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 4: they it was a house of cards without that, Like

1345
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 4: I didn't have much. You know, what I think of

1346
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 4: Jack Jones kind of similar to jac Jackson. That's what

1347
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 4: I think of Jack Jones, Gonzales. Gonzales played at a

1348
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 4: high level, and I think Jonathan Jones is a good,

1349
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 4: solid NFL corner. So if you lose one of those

1350
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 4: two guys, I think you you only had one one

1351
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 4: solid option losing both of them.

1352
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 6: I mean about what happened if we lose jut On,

1353
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 6: you know, that was I mean, I said that exact line.

1354
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't think they did.

1355
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 4: You know, we'll see what happened to Ken White Spot.

1356
00:58:57,440 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 4: That was a house of cards and you're going to

1357
00:58:59,720 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 4: see that.

1358
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 6: And I said, you know, and I think when people

1359
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 6: came at me being negative at the end of the

1360
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 6: training camp was just like you know, Devon Godshaw, Lawrence, Guy,

1361
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 6: Dietrich Wise, We've seen these guys roll out there for

1362
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 6: the last.

1363
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 5: Three years, like is it going to be different this year?

1364
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 5: And it's kind of been the same.

1365
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 4: You know.

1366
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Speaker 6: It's it's they can't really get off the field against

1367
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 6: the good offenses. I don't know, we'll see how the

1368
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 6: rest of that plays out, but I agree with the

1369
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 6: general sentiment. I mean, and I'm probably higher on the

1370
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 6: cornerback depth than Paul is, certainly, but I think up

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00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 6: front you've got some major questions coming up this year

1372
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 6: just due to age and injuries.

1373
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Speaker 1: Web Radio at Patriots dot com is the email addressed

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00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 1: Joel and san Antonio. As always, thank you for all

1375
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 1: you do. It's always good time to listen to the

1376
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 1: world's original podcast, even when we're down. Just wanted to

1377
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 1: share some quick thoughts. So we're bringing j C. Jackson

1378
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 1: back cool. We need to help right now and he

1379
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 1: can just suit it up play right away. However, I'm

1380
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 1: just not a fan of BB recycling old players that

1381
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 1: used to play for us, for example van Ney Collins.

1382
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 1: However many times that happened Trey Flowers. Now JC, Who's next,

1383
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 1: Chandler Jones? Can we just for once outside, Can we

1384
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 1: just for once look outside our tree branches for a

1385
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 1: different type of spark. I'm just simply not sure if

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01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 1: these moves are in the best interest of the team. Again,

1387
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 1: j C fills an immediate need right away, but in

1388
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 1: the bigger picture and correct me if I'm wrong. These

1389
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 1: moves have not really worked out that well, that's all

1390
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 1: I got.

1391
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 3: Well, I think you're you, he answered his own question,

1392
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 3: like taking a player from outside the organ, outside the tree,

1393
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 3: as he puts it. Now, you've got to get that

1394
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 3: player up to speed, and you gotta get it. You know,

1395
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 3: you gotta get him on the program.

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Speaker 17: J C.

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Speaker 3: Jackson, You're You're in the middle of the season, so

1398
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 3: you're not You're not in a place in OTA's or

1399
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 3: training camp where you have all this runway to get

1400
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 3: him up and running. So jac Jackson comes back, already

1401
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 3: knows the playbook, already knows the system, and he can

1402
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 3: he could probably play on Sunday in this game against

1403
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 3: the Saints. Have you trained for somebody that's never played

1404
01:00:56,800 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 3: better for you know, it's a totally different.

1405
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 4: But I think what the email is saying is kind

1406
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 4: of how I feel and that I don't really care

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01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 4: like this week and next week. Yeah great, So I

1408
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:10,959
Speaker 4: got the guy that I can get up to speed fast.

1409
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 4: If I'm going to acquire a player at this point

1410
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 4: and I know they didn't give up anything for him,

1411
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 4: I get it. But if I'm going to bring out

1412
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 4: the players in I want players that I conceivably have

1413
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 4: to be part of my future. They already told me

1414
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 4: I don't want this guy. They don't want them, and

1415
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 4: now they're just bringing them back because of this. Was

1416
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 4: seeing it actually on TV right now on NFL Network,

1417
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 4: you know, the Christian Gonzales injury, you know, saying Torn

1418
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:37,919
Speaker 4: Labraham expected to miss the rest of the season. So yeah,

1419
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 4: I mean you probably can't. You know, beggars can't be choosers.

1420
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 4: They needed somebody right now when jac Jackson happened to

1421
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 4: be available. So that's that's the move. But I'm not

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01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 4: excited about it for the reason the emailer said. I

1423
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 4: would be more excited if it was like some other

1424
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 4: corner who might have some hope of being something. I

1425
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:01,920
Speaker 4: haven't been seen it with, right, And it's probably the

1426
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 4: same either way, because you're probably not getting a guy

1427
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 4: that is going to be good enough to be something

1428
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 4: in the future. But yeah, maybe that that sort of

1429
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 4: you know, that lack of knowing for sure would be better.

1430
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 1: Take Shawn and New Milford. I woke up to a

1431
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 1: text saying, look online, Bill just made a big trade.

1432
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:23,080
Speaker 1: My imagination started running, is it Judy or maybe it's

1433
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 1: justin Jefferson opens Twitter. All I can do here last

1434
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 1: defa me to think Bill would actually trade for top

1435
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 1: tier wide receiver, but Jac is cool.

1436
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Speaker 3: I guess I just think it makes you competitive again

1437
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 3: on defense, Like it kind of just yeah, it keeps

1438
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 3: you afloat on that side of the ball. I I'm

1439
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 3: not necessarily as far off on J. C. Jacks like

1440
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 3: I'm with Paul in terms of like what he is

1441
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 3: as a player, Like he's you know, he is what

1442
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 3: he is. But I just think that it puts you

1443
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 3: in a spot where you can just you can be

1444
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 3: competitive again on that side of the ball. I don't

1445
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 3: think that they would be super competitive without Judon and

1446
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:01,440
Speaker 3: Gonzalez if they just rolled out the group that they have.

1447
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 1: All right, Paul's foods here. We got a big show

1448
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 1: within a show halftime. As you know, one of the

1449
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 1: Patriots greats died over the weekend, Russ Francis all world

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01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:17,600
Speaker 1: tight ends. So we're bringing back some clips from the

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Speaker 1: Pats from the past podcast that we did with him.

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Speaker 1: So we'll play that during the break and when we

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01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 1: come back, more of your calls and emails.

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Speaker 3: What's up, everybody?

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Speaker 7: Check out this clip from our Paths from the Past

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01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 7: episode featuring Russ Francis as.

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01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 19: A twenty something in year old kid. You mentioned ABC

1474
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 19: Superstars and there's probably people.

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01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 1: Listening to this have no idea what that is.

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01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 19: And ABC back in the day would gather the best

1477
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 19: athletes from respective sports Reggie Jackson and baseball Lynn swan

1478
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 19: and football yourself in football and you compete against each

1479
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 19: other and Tocaflian type items. Here's a twenty something in

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01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:43,200
Speaker 19: year old kid who's being called all world tight end

1481
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 19: by Howard Kosel, who's being invited to go on ABC's Superstars.

1482
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:51,440
Speaker 19: Is your mind blown a little bit by this who's

1483
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 19: a guy who's not a football player, and you know

1484
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 19: it comes from a simpler life, maybe in Oregon, and

1485
01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 19: a little bit wid that all of this notoriety is

1486
01:04:59,320 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 19: coming away.

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01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 17: Well, I didn't watch much TV growing up, certainly sports,

1488
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 17: certainly never football because that was never live until after

1489
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:15,720
Speaker 17: I started playing. But Howard Cosell coined the all world

1490
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 17: phrase my rookie year when I caught it like a

1491
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:20,960
Speaker 17: forty yard past Miami on a Monday night game. Well,

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01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:23,360
Speaker 17: I've been catching I think I averaged over eighteen yards

1493
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 17: as a rookie. And what he didn't know, and I

1494
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 17: told his wife when they asked me to speak of

1495
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:35,880
Speaker 17: his services after he'd passed that the only reason I

1496
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:39,920
Speaker 17: didn't tell Howard why I was catching such long passes

1497
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 17: is because I called him up when he started calling

1498
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 17: me all world. Because my teammates started trying to beat

1499
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:47,640
Speaker 17: me up in practice and roll me over, need me

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01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:49,600
Speaker 17: in the ribs and everything else. The guy's on the

1501
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 17: field playing against saying all world.

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Speaker 1: My ass right, that can be.

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01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 5: It's a blessing and they're coming.

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01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:57,560
Speaker 4: After me, right.

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01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 17: So I said, mister Cossell, I'm really honored if you could,

1506
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 17: because I finally got him after like four phone calls.

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01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:05,600
Speaker 17: And this is before I started working for ABC my

1508
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:09,600
Speaker 17: rookie year. Here's a rookie calling Howard Cosell. I still

1509
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 17: didn't really understand the importance of all these people. I'd

1510
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:15,080
Speaker 17: never heard of him before. So you asked me earlier

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01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 17: about how to deal with that, but I didn't know

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01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 17: any better, so I just lived my life. I said,

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01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 17: mister Cosell, thank you for taking my call. I was

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01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 17: such an honor for you to even mention my name

1515
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 17: on a Monday night game. I said, I have a big,

1516
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 17: big favor to ask of you, and he says number

1517
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 17: eighty one. He said, oh world, he said, what can

1518
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:39,520
Speaker 17: I do for you today? Oh god, I'm just stumbling

1519
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:43,800
Speaker 17: and they'll go ahead anything eighty one.

1520
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:45,320
Speaker 2: Come on, it's so good to hear.

1521
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:48,040
Speaker 17: Thank you for calling. I'm sorry I missed your other calls.

1522
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:51,480
Speaker 17: I've been busy with Frank and the gift and everything

1523
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 17: and this and that and on and on. I said,

1524
01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:56,840
Speaker 17: mister Cossell, could you please stop calling me all world.

1525
01:06:56,840 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 17: They're killing me out there, my teammates and the other guys.

1526
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 17: Do you notice any silence right now? There was silence,

1527
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:13,240
Speaker 17: and all of a sudden that booming voice number eighty one.

1528
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 17: Listen up and listen close, get tough or get out click,

1529
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:27,760
Speaker 17: So missus Cosell at his service. They asked me, Billy, Crystal,

1530
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 17: myself and Frank the Ford so to speak at it

1531
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:37,120
Speaker 17: because we had become baby sat their grandchildren, Justin and Jared,

1532
01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 17: who I think we're in ESPN now at the pools,

1533
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 17: when we played in Miami and everything else. Got to

1534
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:46,680
Speaker 17: know him pretty well. Heather, their mother sweek out. Emmy

1535
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:53,200
Speaker 17: was just a sweetheart, I can do do everything kind

1536
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:56,000
Speaker 17: of wife and mother. I said, I got to tell

1537
01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:57,640
Speaker 17: you the story, I said. Never got a chance to

1538
01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:00,360
Speaker 17: tell the story to Howard because I was afraid. And

1539
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 17: she goes, what I said, you know that all world

1540
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:08,520
Speaker 17: things that he he kept calling. She goes, oh, he

1541
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:10,240
Speaker 17: just thought you were a great player. And she's given

1542
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:13,240
Speaker 17: me the same thing. And I said, well, the truth

1543
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 17: of the matter is I didn't know how to read

1544
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:16,240
Speaker 17: coverages or run past prays.

1545
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:16,880
Speaker 3: So here's the truth.

1546
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:18,640
Speaker 17: I'm pouring it out. I didn't want to do this,

1547
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:22,040
Speaker 17: especially it's at his services, I said, but I kind

1548
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:24,240
Speaker 17: of felt like, well, Howard's here, we're all here together, right,

1549
01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:28,600
Speaker 17: So but I called him up and asked him to

1550
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:30,439
Speaker 17: not call me all world, and he slammed me down

1551
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 17: and said, get tough for get out. So I wasn't

1552
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:34,040
Speaker 17: gonna tell him it's because Steve just told me to

1553
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:36,599
Speaker 17: go straight. I didn't know how to run. It wasn't

1554
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 17: because I was a great player. It's because I had speed,

1555
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:46,479
Speaker 17: Steve had an arm. We had Randy Vatah, Stanley Morgan.

1556
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 17: You know, a bunch of greatsus Steve Burke, great receiver

1557
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 17: from Arkansas, and this kid who didn't know anything about football.

1558
01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:58,560
Speaker 17: So I'm looking good because of all of them, and

1559
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:03,479
Speaker 17: a great offensive line. So you know, once Shelby, Jordan

1560
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:06,599
Speaker 17: and all the other guys got together that nineteen seventy

1561
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:09,240
Speaker 17: eight team you're talking about, we ran over people.

1562
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:11,880
Speaker 19: Held the rushing record until just a couple of years

1563
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:14,559
Speaker 19: ago when the Ravens that recond stood for forty something

1564
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:14,960
Speaker 19: years ago.

1565
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 17: Something. We're very, very proud of it. And the one

1566
01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:20,240
Speaker 17: thing that the Craft family, by the way, on a

1567
01:09:20,320 --> 01:09:22,719
Speaker 17: couple of these alumni weekends when we come in for games,

1568
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:29,880
Speaker 17: had made a real They've given us an opportunity to

1569
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 17: highlight some of the film when they show it to

1570
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 17: the fans, so they're up in the club boxes and

1571
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:36,640
Speaker 17: everything else. Sometimes on the screen of those teams with

1572
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:40,800
Speaker 17: John Hannah coming around and Sam Cunningham, he was always

1573
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 17: fast enough and good enough for passes and everything else.

1574
01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:45,920
Speaker 17: When you send him out there first two hundred and

1575
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:48,080
Speaker 17: forty five pounds he ran a four or five forty.

1576
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:52,000
Speaker 17: He just blow through people. There goes John, there goes

1577
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:53,479
Speaker 17: I'm looking for people to block.

1578
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:54,320
Speaker 1: I don't have to.

1579
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 19: I mentioned Gronkowski. Do you watch Do you look at

1580
01:09:57,439 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 19: a guy like Gronk who played for the team that

1581
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:01,400
Speaker 19: you used to play and I.

1582
01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 3: Mean Marvel, bigger kid than you are.

1583
01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 19: I don't know if he was faster than you were

1584
01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:09,280
Speaker 19: at the time, different strengths, but a guy who you

1585
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 19: could put on the line and he'd knock a guy

1586
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:14,400
Speaker 19: fifteen yards past a true tight end, and yes, you

1587
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:16,320
Speaker 19: could send him up the seam and he could run

1588
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 19: by linebackers. What did you think of him when you

1589
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 19: watched him play Russ.

1590
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:22,400
Speaker 17: Well, first of all, you said the one thing that

1591
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:26,800
Speaker 17: separates him, and I believe me, from most tight ends.

1592
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 17: You said, a complete tight end that would block and

1593
01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:32,679
Speaker 17: have the speed to get downfield and have the hands.

1594
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:37,080
Speaker 17: He's got incredible a sense for the balls. Your head

1595
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:39,720
Speaker 17: comes around right here and there's a little flash of

1596
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 17: brown and he gets.

1597
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:43,519
Speaker 19: Catch radius very high, like you could put the ball

1598
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:44,559
Speaker 19: almost any plays with him.

1599
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:50,040
Speaker 17: Yeah, So one thing I would say about Rob Gronkowski

1600
01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:53,679
Speaker 17: is there isn't anything you can't do on a football

1601
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:56,439
Speaker 17: field that he decides to do. And that's the goal

1602
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 17: of every tight end. And I work with some young

1603
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:01,160
Speaker 17: tight ends from time time to want to get a

1604
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:04,240
Speaker 17: college scholarship for high school or a couple of young

1605
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:09,280
Speaker 17: pro guys. Not in the coaching standpoint, but just technique

1606
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:12,880
Speaker 17: because I had to learn from from the very very beginning.

1607
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 17: I won't give you away one of my secrets I

1608
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:18,880
Speaker 17: learned that helps tight ends improve quicker. But to look

1609
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:21,640
Speaker 17: at the Gronkowski we're probably about the same speed I

1610
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:23,439
Speaker 17: was four or five forty. I think that's probably what

1611
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:26,080
Speaker 17: Rob runs four or five four six. We're both in

1612
01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:26,639
Speaker 17: that range.

1613
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:27,759
Speaker 1: I waited.

1614
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:30,280
Speaker 17: I played about they say it comes out in my card.

1615
01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:32,760
Speaker 17: That was two forty. I played a two fifty five.

1616
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:35,360
Speaker 17: Now when I got here, I was about two forty five.

1617
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:37,920
Speaker 17: I quickly became two fifty by hitting the sled. I

1618
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:40,160
Speaker 17: never lifted weights. They said you need to lift weights,

1619
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:42,600
Speaker 17: put on more weight. No, the muscle becomes stronger than

1620
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:44,960
Speaker 17: the tendon and it rips the tendon and the muscles

1621
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:45,840
Speaker 17: supposed to give first.

1622
01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:47,280
Speaker 1: So I'm not doing any of that.

1623
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:49,960
Speaker 17: So I'm going to hit the sled instead, so that

1624
01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:52,320
Speaker 17: put on weight. So I ended up weighing about two

1625
01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:54,880
Speaker 17: hundred and fifty five pounds. If I hadn't done more

1626
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:56,960
Speaker 17: running and more stairs, I probably would have gone to

1627
01:11:57,360 --> 01:11:59,880
Speaker 17: you know, sixty five to seventy, because you do build

1628
01:11:59,920 --> 01:12:02,760
Speaker 17: a muscle hitting those sleds. But I didn't want to

1629
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 17: compromise my speed, so I stopped at two hundred and

1630
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:08,360
Speaker 17: fifty two hundred and fifty five pounds. Rob was probably

1631
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:11,360
Speaker 17: he's a about the same heights. I'm probably not as

1632
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:15,519
Speaker 17: tall as I was when I started, but uh, nor

1633
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:18,479
Speaker 17: will he be. He's about six six sixty seven six

1634
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:22,639
Speaker 17: five six six. Yeah, just a big guy all around.

1635
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:26,840
Speaker 17: And when he hits, he explodes. That's his number one

1636
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:29,240
Speaker 17: quality in the running game. And he has the want

1637
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:31,240
Speaker 17: to to take that guy fifteen yards. He's not just

1638
01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:33,840
Speaker 17: going to hit him and the ball. The guy goes

1639
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 17: by and he just lets him go. He's gonna bury him.

1640
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:40,200
Speaker 17: And when he runs a route, he's so fluid for

1641
01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:42,120
Speaker 17: a big guy, he's like a ballerina out there.

1642
01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:42,400
Speaker 1: You know.

1643
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:44,519
Speaker 17: Lin Swan used to take ballet lessons so that he

1644
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:47,519
Speaker 17: could be quicker. And what a gifted receiver he was.

1645
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:51,800
Speaker 17: I look at Rob Gronkowski and I marvel at what

1646
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:53,519
Speaker 17: he can do, and I can't wait till the next

1647
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:55,920
Speaker 17: play and the next play. Oh, now he's playing in

1648
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:58,720
Speaker 17: Tampa bayh Is Brady there too? Oh great to get

1649
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:01,000
Speaker 17: to watch both of them. Yeah, I watch him and

1650
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 17: I do my Rob does a little bit early. Oh

1651
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:05,720
Speaker 17: that's a little bit late. You could have done this.

1652
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:08,400
Speaker 17: She could have done that, I'm sure if he did.

1653
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 17: Look at any of my film in the days, Well,

1654
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:12,960
Speaker 17: you could have done better on that. Well, you could

1655
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:15,400
Speaker 17: have done better on that. One of the best of

1656
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:17,360
Speaker 17: all time, and he will go into the Hall of Fame.

1657
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:26,479
Speaker 1: Score big with Bob's unbeatable savings on power reclining furniture,

1658
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 1: perfect for game day viewing. With features like hid and

1659
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:33,840
Speaker 1: drop down tables for snacks and BEVs, and convenient USB ports,

1660
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:36,040
Speaker 1: you'll never have to get up and miss a play,

1661
01:13:36,439 --> 01:13:39,479
Speaker 1: but only when you shop at Bob's, the official furniture

1662
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:43,200
Speaker 1: store of the New England Patriots. Paul, you could use

1663
01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:46,840
Speaker 1: a motorized recliner, right, wouldn't you like that?

1664
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:47,240
Speaker 4: No?

1665
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:50,479
Speaker 1: No, no, one of the ones that lift up and

1666
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:52,320
Speaker 1: get you right out of the chair so you don't

1667
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:52,519
Speaker 1: have to.

1668
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:55,600
Speaker 4: I didn't catch it at first, but thanks.

1669
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:02,799
Speaker 3: Right, Well, we were still working on your You're remote

1670
01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:06,320
Speaker 3: you too, You got your fart remote too.

1671
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 1: If you could improve the remote, yeah, if you could improve.

1672
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:12,200
Speaker 4: That, I mean with you too, I don't just I

1673
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:13,439
Speaker 4: won't just reserve it for Freddie.

1674
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:15,960
Speaker 1: If you could improve the remote, what feature would you

1675
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:18,800
Speaker 1: add or take away or whatever? You can talk it

1676
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:21,280
Speaker 1: because you're a remote professional. Yeah, I don't.

1677
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:22,840
Speaker 4: I think the remote is pretty good.

1678
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:25,280
Speaker 1: Okay, I think I think it's pretty good. Always use

1679
01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:28,200
Speaker 1: the voice sometimes, but not not have to because I

1680
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:29,120
Speaker 1: don't know where the station is.

1681
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:31,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I usually just go to the station I want,

1682
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:33,439
Speaker 4: But if I don't know, I'll just put the game

1683
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:36,000
Speaker 4: in that I'm you know, like I'll be watching like

1684
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:38,720
Speaker 4: a college football game on a Saturday, right and then

1685
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:41,040
Speaker 4: you know, like the scroll will confident it's like, you know,

1686
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:44,320
Speaker 4: thirty five thirty five fourth quarter and I'll be like, oh,

1687
01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:47,200
Speaker 4: and I have no idea what channel that game is on,

1688
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:50,000
Speaker 4: and I'll just say, you know, Notre Dame Duke and

1689
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:53,120
Speaker 4: it just pops up. But otherwise I don't use voice.

1690
01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:56,640
Speaker 1: You don't do this, Paul. You you actually go to

1691
01:14:56,800 --> 01:14:59,840
Speaker 1: each game and get it on your back so that

1692
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,280
Speaker 1: and you hook just boom.

1693
01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:05,040
Speaker 6: See that's what Paul wants. Do that, Okay, I know

1694
01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:07,080
Speaker 6: exactly what Paul needs. He needs a way to get

1695
01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:09,719
Speaker 6: to the streaming services quickly. One click of a button

1696
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:12,320
Speaker 6: and boom, we're there, like it's already kind of recording

1697
01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:13,639
Speaker 6: it so you can just jump around.

1698
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:16,400
Speaker 4: Not so much getting to the streaming service is getting

1699
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:20,800
Speaker 4: away from Yes, what I think Paul really needs is

1700
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:24,400
Speaker 4: a bank of a new salary, is a bank of

1701
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:27,320
Speaker 4: monitors like NASA. Okay, so you could just have it

1702
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:27,680
Speaker 4: all up.

1703
01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:29,479
Speaker 5: He didn't have to worry about even changing the channel.

1704
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:30,280
Speaker 5: He just looks there.

1705
01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:33,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, some of my friends do do that stuff.

1706
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:35,840
Speaker 4: I'm not multi TV. Yeah, I'm not big on the

1707
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:36,760
Speaker 4: multi TV thing.

1708
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:39,360
Speaker 1: I have that call bookmakers. But anyway, that's true.

1709
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:42,640
Speaker 4: I have I have that ability downstairs because I have,

1710
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:45,960
Speaker 4: uh there's like two separate rooms and there's a TV

1711
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:48,120
Speaker 4: on both sides because we had like a TV set

1712
01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:50,040
Speaker 4: up when the kids were little. They used to watch

1713
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:52,040
Speaker 4: a lot of their you know, kids shows and stuff.

1714
01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:53,240
Speaker 4: So I could do that.

1715
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:56,760
Speaker 1: But I don't really see the need from what I'm hearing.

1716
01:15:56,840 --> 01:16:00,720
Speaker 1: The Sunday Ticket on YouTube is excellent really, like you

1717
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:04,080
Speaker 1: can do you can do four panels, like four games

1718
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:07,559
Speaker 1: at a time and everything. Like people are really liking

1719
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:11,240
Speaker 1: how YouTube is presenting a little more Sunday Ticket a

1720
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:13,960
Speaker 1: lot of control. You can get the you know, the

1721
01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:17,000
Speaker 1: the it was next gen stats and all that.

1722
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:18,479
Speaker 6: I used to have when I was in California, and

1723
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:19,920
Speaker 6: you could you know, I mean you had just the

1724
01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:22,320
Speaker 6: box with all eight games on it once. I mean

1725
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 6: you have red Zone of course, but then that box

1726
01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:26,520
Speaker 6: where you have every game going at once was always.

1727
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:29,240
Speaker 4: See I would never want to use that, but I like,

1728
01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:31,920
Speaker 4: to Freddy's point, I like that feature I like the

1729
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:33,840
Speaker 4: idea that it's there if I ever want, if you.

1730
01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:36,200
Speaker 6: Ever need it, especially like if it's an afternoon game

1731
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:38,360
Speaker 6: and there's like three kind of boring games going on, Yeah,

1732
01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:39,640
Speaker 6: and it's like, well, red zone is going to be

1733
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:41,280
Speaker 6: kind of uselesscause they don't eve getting in the red zone.

1734
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:42,479
Speaker 6: You can at least put it up and kind of

1735
01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:43,880
Speaker 6: see a red zone is useless.

1736
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:48,160
Speaker 1: You have the four something's happening in one, you hit that,

1737
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:51,040
Speaker 1: it takes over the full screen and then okay, that

1738
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:52,679
Speaker 1: plays over, then you go back to four.

1739
01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:55,200
Speaker 4: You know, red zone might be one of my biggest

1740
01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:56,600
Speaker 4: misses ever, and there are a lot of them, as

1741
01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:58,080
Speaker 4: you whether you could have come up with it. You know,

1742
01:16:59,240 --> 01:17:01,559
Speaker 4: when I first the idea, I was like, what who

1743
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:06,160
Speaker 4: would ever want to do that? Like just the scoring plays,

1744
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:09,760
Speaker 4: Like I totally didn't have the concept in my mind

1745
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:11,840
Speaker 4: as to what it was going to be the important stuff,

1746
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:15,360
Speaker 4: And I was like, why would anybody ever want to

1747
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:17,080
Speaker 4: do that? Like, if you're going to watch a game,

1748
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:21,679
Speaker 4: you gotta watch the sequence, not realizing they were actually

1749
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:24,080
Speaker 4: going to show you the actual game and not realizing

1750
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:26,160
Speaker 4: you know, like the play by play of a drive you.

1751
01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:29,000
Speaker 6: Didn't realize your gift at that point, either to somehow

1752
01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:30,960
Speaker 6: sequence all of them at once.

1753
01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:34,000
Speaker 4: I realized I realized my gift at the time, but

1754
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:35,519
Speaker 4: I didn't realize that they were going to pull it

1755
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:38,840
Speaker 4: off just quite quite as effectively. And literally the first

1756
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:41,120
Speaker 4: bye week that we had, or the first Monday, a whatever,

1757
01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:44,200
Speaker 4: the first opportunity that I had to watch Red Zone,

1758
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:47,640
Speaker 4: I put it on and I literally never changed. I

1759
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:52,920
Speaker 4: never touched the remoter gain. Oh my god, it was

1760
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:57,040
Speaker 4: I'm telling you, I was as wrong about Red Zone

1761
01:17:57,080 --> 01:18:01,040
Speaker 4: as I was about Richard Seymour. Like that's how wrong

1762
01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:03,599
Speaker 4: I couldn't. That's you know, that's definitely the wrongest.

1763
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:05,040
Speaker 5: That's a good senior quote right there.

1764
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:09,599
Speaker 4: I just I enjoy watching them. I think you get

1765
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:11,439
Speaker 4: a chance this show.

1766
01:18:11,479 --> 01:18:12,679
Speaker 1: But that might be the wrongest.

1767
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:16,559
Speaker 4: I think those one o'clock windows, when there's nine games

1768
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:21,120
Speaker 4: going at once, you effectively get a sense of how

1769
01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:23,000
Speaker 4: all nine games unfolded.

1770
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:26,200
Speaker 5: It's great, yeah you do, and then they're just a

1771
01:18:26,280 --> 01:18:28,640
Speaker 5: blur in my memory. And he's like, he'll like, well

1772
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:29,960
Speaker 5: you remember in the first.

1773
01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:30,280
Speaker 1: Court, Like.

1774
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:33,519
Speaker 4: He gets mad at me because I can keep track

1775
01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:34,920
Speaker 4: of the game while we're in the middle of a

1776
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:35,679
Speaker 4: post game.

1777
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:39,200
Speaker 1: Show web radio. Patriots dot com is the email address

1778
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:42,599
Speaker 1: Bubba and Connecticut. On the topic of cadence, I noticed

1779
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:46,000
Speaker 1: during the Cowboys game Mack was consistently waiting until one

1780
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:48,240
Speaker 1: second or less than the play clock to snap the ball.

1781
01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:52,240
Speaker 1: Doesn't that allow the opponent's pass rushers to time their rush.

1782
01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:54,720
Speaker 1: It was consistent throughout the game. They seem to have

1783
01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:58,200
Speaker 1: zero variability there. Seems like that could be something easy

1784
01:18:58,280 --> 01:19:00,519
Speaker 1: to adjust and they need all the help they can get.

1785
01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 5: It sounds like they need a new cadence.

1786
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:05,640
Speaker 1: I wonder though, like you know, when you're down on

1787
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:08,680
Speaker 1: the line defense, you know, and you're in your three

1788
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:11,800
Speaker 1: point stance or whatever, like how much you are paying

1789
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:13,000
Speaker 1: attention to the play clock?

1790
01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:15,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, people do. I think it's more so like the

1791
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:18,600
Speaker 4: edge guys. Yeah, standing up you can see it. But

1792
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:22,519
Speaker 4: that that's very common around the league. A lot of

1793
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:25,679
Speaker 4: players get snapped in the last second of the play clock.

1794
01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:26,519
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1795
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:28,160
Speaker 5: I didn't, it didn't. I didn't clock anything.

1796
01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:30,240
Speaker 6: It didn't see I mean, I remember the famous one

1797
01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:31,960
Speaker 6: was that twenty fifteen game against.

1798
01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:34,560
Speaker 5: Denver, right where they said that they could figure out Stork.

1799
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:37,040
Speaker 6: His like his zam von Miller was like jumping off

1800
01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:38,719
Speaker 6: the snap like they had a beat on it already.

1801
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:39,559
Speaker 4: Well, that was a tell.

1802
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:40,360
Speaker 3: He had a tell.

1803
01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:42,200
Speaker 4: He had a tell with his I think his head.

1804
01:19:42,320 --> 01:19:44,240
Speaker 5: He turned him was like a jerk to somebody right

1805
01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:44,920
Speaker 5: before he snapped it.

1806
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:49,080
Speaker 4: Oh he hit somebody with their luggage with his luggage. Yeah,

1807
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:51,439
Speaker 4: he's bottom, bottom five, bottom five.

1808
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:52,120
Speaker 5: He's a great.

1809
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:54,120
Speaker 6: He's a great, like little foil for the show, because

1810
01:19:54,120 --> 01:19:56,240
Speaker 6: it's like one random guy who was here a couple

1811
01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:57,240
Speaker 6: of years, like nobody think.

1812
01:19:57,360 --> 01:19:59,599
Speaker 4: It wasn't like he was stiff. He was a starting player.

1813
01:20:00,240 --> 01:20:05,000
Speaker 1: Stork. Let's see Roberts just like has enough of let

1814
01:20:05,080 --> 01:20:09,000
Speaker 1: them go. I'm teeing up the next email. It's like

1815
01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:13,360
Speaker 1: a billion emails here, Bob in Wilmington, North Carolina. You

1816
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:15,599
Speaker 1: all have the Patriots going five hundred for the first

1817
01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:17,599
Speaker 1: four weeks, and you're not far off with the team

1818
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:19,920
Speaker 1: going one to three. Not the worst, not the best.

1819
01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:22,840
Speaker 1: I listened to yesterday's show last night, and that was

1820
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:27,439
Speaker 1: the saddest episode in unfiltered history. Where's the support? Bill

1821
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:30,559
Speaker 1: is best at motivating replacements and always puts a competent

1822
01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:32,760
Speaker 1: team on the field that will give the Patriots a

1823
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:35,320
Speaker 1: chance to win. This season is going to be seeing

1824
01:20:35,439 --> 01:20:37,920
Speaker 1: all the diamonds in the rough that appear through the

1825
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:41,160
Speaker 1: next man up philosophy that Bill lives by. Remember that

1826
01:20:41,240 --> 01:20:44,000
Speaker 1: Bill has forgotten more about football than the rest of

1827
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:46,880
Speaker 1: the coaches in the league combined. This year is not over.

1828
01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:49,400
Speaker 1: The Patriots will still be a team to reckon with,

1829
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:52,000
Speaker 1: and we'll finish with a winning season. In Bill, I

1830
01:20:52,120 --> 01:20:55,519
Speaker 1: trust question, which position do you see the first diamond

1831
01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:56,120
Speaker 1: to appear?

1832
01:20:56,720 --> 01:21:05,400
Speaker 4: Wow, we have to second round pick, diamond in the rough.

1833
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:09,479
Speaker 4: There you go, Well, he doesn't play fiftieth overall pick

1834
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:10,720
Speaker 4: in a draft diamond in the rough.

1835
01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:14,280
Speaker 5: He'll actually get to play to Mario Douglas.

1836
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:15,840
Speaker 1: Russell and Arkis.

1837
01:21:16,120 --> 01:21:16,800
Speaker 4: I can accept that.

1838
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:20,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I sent this into the post game show. But

1839
01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:23,000
Speaker 1: Hardy doesn't read emails. It doesn't I kind of just

1840
01:21:23,160 --> 01:21:26,360
Speaker 1: he really doesn't. I kind of I'm just over this season,

1841
01:21:26,439 --> 01:21:28,640
Speaker 1: and I'll just assume they'll lose and be surprised when

1842
01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:31,080
Speaker 1: they don't. Any chance the offense gets torn down to

1843
01:21:31,200 --> 01:21:33,840
Speaker 1: the studs in the off season and rebuilt player wise.

1844
01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:36,559
Speaker 1: I don't mind the Jackson trade, mainly because we gave

1845
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:40,280
Speaker 1: up nothing but pocket lint. Also, sick Evans sounds like

1846
01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:42,679
Speaker 1: Peter Schrager with his head stuck in a fish bowl.

1847
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:46,880
Speaker 4: That's uh, that's excellent. I never thought of it, But

1848
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:48,920
Speaker 4: that he does sound like Peter Sreg.

1849
01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:50,080
Speaker 3: Does sound like you hit puberty.

1850
01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:51,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hate Peter.

1851
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:53,200
Speaker 4: No, I know you're not a big fan.

1852
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:54,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1853
01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:59,360
Speaker 4: The the whole the kind of a contrast the last

1854
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:02,040
Speaker 4: two emails, but the whole, like everything is, is great.

1855
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:04,080
Speaker 4: First of all, I don't know.

1856
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:05,519
Speaker 1: I didn't.

1857
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:07,680
Speaker 4: I didn't pick him to go five hundred in the

1858
01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:11,760
Speaker 4: first four games. And if I only amended it to

1859
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:13,960
Speaker 4: one and three when Aaron Rodgers got hurt, I thought

1860
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:16,080
Speaker 4: they were going to start zero and four. Yeah, But

1861
01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:18,519
Speaker 4: when Aaron Rodgers got hurt, I picked them to beat

1862
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:23,160
Speaker 4: the Jets. I don't know how you can look at

1863
01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:26,040
Speaker 4: the way the game's played, especially the last one, and

1864
01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:27,840
Speaker 4: just say, well, yeah, I expected it to be one

1865
01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:29,360
Speaker 4: and three, so they're one and three.

1866
01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:30,639
Speaker 1: Here we go, right.

1867
01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:33,120
Speaker 4: Not that I expected him to be much better offensively

1868
01:22:33,200 --> 01:22:35,559
Speaker 4: this year, Right, That's what I expected, and I haven't

1869
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:38,400
Speaker 4: seen it. Never, not once would I would say, with

1870
01:22:38,479 --> 01:22:43,200
Speaker 4: the lone exception of the last say, six minutes of

1871
01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:45,760
Speaker 4: the second quarter of the opener against Philadelphia, I have

1872
01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:47,879
Speaker 4: not seen any improvement on offen Yeah, short.

1873
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:50,560
Speaker 1: Of the final score. That's been the biggest disappointment so

1874
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:53,640
Speaker 1: far is that we haven't seen the improvement in the

1875
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:55,360
Speaker 1: offense that we thought we would. Yeah.

1876
01:22:55,479 --> 01:22:57,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would just say to the point of tearing

1877
01:22:57,479 --> 01:22:58,120
Speaker 5: it down to the studs.

1878
01:22:58,120 --> 01:22:59,960
Speaker 6: I mean, we talked about the offensive linemen that are

1879
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:02,080
Speaker 6: up for contract, the tight ends that are up for contract,

1880
01:23:02,120 --> 01:23:05,160
Speaker 6: but unfortunately they have all their receivers are like under contract,

1881
01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:08,760
Speaker 6: So like Juju Parker, all these guys are gonna come back.

1882
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:11,320
Speaker 6: That's like ideally you'd like the receivers to.

1883
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:13,120
Speaker 5: Kind of be phasing themselves out.

1884
01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:16,120
Speaker 4: And you know you've got like last year, right, the

1885
01:23:16,200 --> 01:23:16,640
Speaker 4: only one that.

1886
01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:20,799
Speaker 1: Anybody likes Jeffrey in Canada, sustained success can make you blind.

1887
01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:23,479
Speaker 1: For eighteen years, Bill and Robert could do no wrong.

1888
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:26,160
Speaker 1: They dominated the league. So I'm gonna ask a question

1889
01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:28,280
Speaker 1: that I know you really can't answer, but you can

1890
01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:31,160
Speaker 1: offer your opinion. Do you think Bill Belichick and Robert

1891
01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:33,920
Speaker 1: Craft are self aware? Do they know that this is

1892
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:36,040
Speaker 1: one of the worst five teams in the league right now?

1893
01:23:36,479 --> 01:23:40,080
Speaker 1: Does Bill know he can't effectively evaluate offensive players? Does

1894
01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:42,320
Speaker 1: Robert know the team he owns is not even close

1895
01:23:42,360 --> 01:23:44,720
Speaker 1: to competing in what is now the fourth year after

1896
01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:47,560
Speaker 1: Brady leaving. The fans and media all seem to know

1897
01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:50,880
Speaker 1: these things, But I seriously doubt either of these two

1898
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:52,040
Speaker 1: men know these things.

1899
01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:57,240
Speaker 4: I would strongly, strongly, strongly agree with that sentiment, especially

1900
01:23:57,320 --> 01:23:59,800
Speaker 4: with Bill. I don't think Bill thinks that. I think

1901
01:24:00,160 --> 01:24:02,080
Speaker 4: thinks they're like a turnover two away from being four

1902
01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:06,120
Speaker 4: And oh yeah, I really do. I really think that

1903
01:24:06,200 --> 01:24:09,720
Speaker 4: he thinks that. Robert. I think Robert's a little bit

1904
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:13,479
Speaker 4: more aware of what it is. And did he speak

1905
01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:17,240
Speaker 4: yesterday at that event briefly right, which is to me

1906
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:19,400
Speaker 4: a departure of the way he has been speaking at

1907
01:24:19,439 --> 01:24:22,280
Speaker 4: these events about how excited he is about the drafts

1908
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:25,720
Speaker 4: and how about you know, Mac, and you know I

1909
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:26,920
Speaker 4: don't like I don't like losing.

1910
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:28,800
Speaker 1: I can tell you Robert Kraft knows that.

1911
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:31,160
Speaker 4: I think Robert is very much aware of where the

1912
01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:33,880
Speaker 4: team is right now and how the team is sort

1913
01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:35,000
Speaker 4: of perceived right now.

1914
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:35,840
Speaker 1: Bill.

1915
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:37,800
Speaker 4: I think I think Bill thinks they're like three plays

1916
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:39,040
Speaker 4: away from being the course.

1917
01:24:39,720 --> 01:24:42,600
Speaker 1: And whether or not you think it was good or

1918
01:24:42,760 --> 01:24:46,080
Speaker 1: bad or whatever, but at the end of the last season,

1919
01:24:46,120 --> 01:24:51,120
Speaker 1: and I think it was January early February the organization

1920
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:53,960
Speaker 1: sent that letter out to season ticket holders it's going

1921
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:56,400
Speaker 1: to be changes, And of course the changes was Bill

1922
01:24:56,439 --> 01:24:59,760
Speaker 1: O'Brien and Adrian Clem and all that. But you know,

1923
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:04,080
Speaker 1: I'm that that wasn't Bill's idea. No, No, that wasn't

1924
01:25:04,120 --> 01:25:06,120
Speaker 1: Bill's That's what I said. I think I think Robert

1925
01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:09,560
Speaker 1: is aware of how the team is perceived. I'm not

1926
01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:12,320
Speaker 1: sure Bill is. I'm not sure Bill agrees with yea.

1927
01:25:13,240 --> 01:25:14,720
Speaker 1: Bill is more set in.

1928
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:16,759
Speaker 4: I don't think Bill agrees with the perceptions.

1929
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:19,639
Speaker 5: A bigger question, though, do you think a coach needs

1930
01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:20,519
Speaker 5: to be in season?

1931
01:25:20,600 --> 01:25:22,519
Speaker 1: I mean is that they shouldn't be listening.

1932
01:25:22,840 --> 01:25:25,200
Speaker 4: They should know, but they should also be aware. Like

1933
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:28,320
Speaker 4: in two thousand and nine, I thought Bill was very

1934
01:25:29,200 --> 01:25:33,600
Speaker 4: you know, very poignant, very very self aware of the

1935
01:25:33,680 --> 01:25:37,080
Speaker 4: situation with the team. He knew that we can beat

1936
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:39,400
Speaker 4: the bad teams, we can't beat the good ones because

1937
01:25:39,439 --> 01:25:41,160
Speaker 4: I just can't get this team to play the way

1938
01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:44,639
Speaker 4: that I need him to play. Now, I would argue

1939
01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:49,680
Speaker 4: that it's a step further than that. You can't get

1940
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:51,479
Speaker 4: the team to play the way you need them to

1941
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:53,479
Speaker 4: play because they weren't good enough to play that way.

1942
01:25:55,120 --> 01:25:57,519
Speaker 4: And I think I think Bill's answer for everything is

1943
01:25:57,600 --> 01:25:59,880
Speaker 4: that we just got to execute better, Like if they

1944
01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:02,720
Speaker 4: just to execute the plan, Like if the players are like, yeah,

1945
01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:07,080
Speaker 4: but can you Every play is workable if it's executed

1946
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:10,200
Speaker 4: to perfection. But are your players good enough to consistently

1947
01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:13,640
Speaker 4: execute the plays the way you need them to be executed?

1948
01:26:13,720 --> 01:26:15,760
Speaker 4: And I would argue no, I would argue in two

1949
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:18,760
Speaker 4: thousand and nine, No, I think they were a very

1950
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:21,719
Speaker 4: thin team that year, and as he said, you slammed,

1951
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:24,559
Speaker 4: you know, you double down on Moss over the top

1952
01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:26,840
Speaker 4: and slam down on Welker, and you shut down the

1953
01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:31,200
Speaker 4: offense right because you didn't have players that were good enough.

1954
01:26:31,680 --> 01:26:33,080
Speaker 4: Now we'd kill for players like that.

1955
01:26:33,240 --> 01:26:35,920
Speaker 5: Now, I know it's crazy in hindsight, and.

1956
01:26:35,960 --> 01:26:39,280
Speaker 4: This could be the biggest moment of the show. Evan's

1957
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:43,519
Speaker 4: Yeah has turned?

1958
01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:46,479
Speaker 5: Evan has turned?

1959
01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:49,559
Speaker 4: Has turned?

1960
01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:55,000
Speaker 1: Evan?

1961
01:26:55,960 --> 01:26:58,400
Speaker 3: Hello, wait what you have to say? This is a

1962
01:26:58,439 --> 01:27:01,280
Speaker 3: big one. Paul is right, very we had to compare

1963
01:27:01,400 --> 01:27:04,200
Speaker 3: notes and everything a lot of moving parts. So good

1964
01:27:04,280 --> 01:27:05,720
Speaker 3: news first or bad news first?

1965
01:27:05,720 --> 01:27:06,160
Speaker 4: What do we want?

1966
01:27:06,200 --> 01:27:06,599
Speaker 5: Bad news?

1967
01:27:07,240 --> 01:27:07,280
Speaker 8: No?

1968
01:27:07,439 --> 01:27:12,320
Speaker 3: Tayekwon Thornton. Really so no, taekwon Thornton And different. No

1969
01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:16,280
Speaker 3: Jack Jones, both those guys and Marcus Jones obviously still

1970
01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:20,720
Speaker 3: not there. No Judon, no Christian Gonzales. That's the absences.

1971
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:22,920
Speaker 3: The good news, if you want to call it that.

1972
01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:28,320
Speaker 3: Riley Reef is back, Trey Flowers is back, and Cody

1973
01:27:28,439 --> 01:27:30,200
Speaker 3: Davis is back.

1974
01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:31,080
Speaker 1: Perfect.

1975
01:27:31,800 --> 01:27:34,960
Speaker 4: So I had this long talk and I said, everybody's

1976
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:36,760
Speaker 4: gonna get all excited about all the guys. I'm back

1977
01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:40,519
Speaker 4: on ir. You know who's coming back book it right now?

1978
01:27:41,200 --> 01:27:41,920
Speaker 4: Cody Davis.

1979
01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:45,040
Speaker 3: You watch Yeah, So Cody can't wait to get him

1980
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:47,519
Speaker 3: back in the mix. Cody Davis back in the mix,

1981
01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:49,960
Speaker 3: and Trey Flowers back in the mix.

1982
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:50,720
Speaker 11: Now.

1983
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:53,200
Speaker 3: I will just say that if they play Trey Flowers

1984
01:27:53,240 --> 01:27:57,320
Speaker 3: over Keon White, that is horrible. But he is back,

1985
01:27:57,400 --> 01:27:59,960
Speaker 3: and I guess they need bodies there now at the end,

1986
01:28:00,280 --> 01:28:01,400
Speaker 3: So whatever, that's.

1987
01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:02,880
Speaker 5: How I feel. I mean, I totally with you, one

1988
01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:05,519
Speaker 5: hundred percent. I just I think he can alleviate some

1989
01:28:05,680 --> 01:28:07,280
Speaker 5: of the loss of Judo. He doesn't like.

1990
01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:09,680
Speaker 6: I totally not like want key On White out there,

1991
01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:11,240
Speaker 6: but I think they need a rotational piece. And I

1992
01:28:11,320 --> 01:28:13,000
Speaker 6: also I just think he's a little bit of a

1993
01:28:13,040 --> 01:28:14,760
Speaker 6: different player, So I don't think it's like, you know,

1994
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:16,760
Speaker 6: they weren't going to swap him in for Judaan to

1995
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:18,600
Speaker 6: play standing up on the edge the whole time. So

1996
01:28:19,240 --> 01:28:20,840
Speaker 6: we'll see how they use him. I mean, I'm not

1997
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:22,920
Speaker 6: I hear what you guys saying. I'm not totally like,

1998
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:23,559
Speaker 6: oh God.

1999
01:28:23,439 --> 01:28:24,040
Speaker 1: Trey Flowers.

2000
01:28:24,160 --> 01:28:27,280
Speaker 4: No, no, no, Like, here's the thing. Do you have

2001
01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:30,880
Speaker 4: so Tae Kwan Thornton's not out there?

2002
01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:31,400
Speaker 3: Nope?

2003
01:28:31,560 --> 01:28:36,000
Speaker 4: All right, you have to make room for Cody Davis,

2004
01:28:36,200 --> 01:28:38,800
Speaker 4: Trey Flowers, Riley Reef and J. C.

2005
01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:40,240
Speaker 3: Jackson and j C.

2006
01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:40,759
Speaker 1: Jackson.

2007
01:28:41,680 --> 01:28:46,400
Speaker 4: So that's four spots. Now you have two with Judon Agains.

2008
01:28:46,479 --> 01:28:49,519
Speaker 3: They already have an open spot. There's only fifty two

2009
01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:50,720
Speaker 3: players on the roster right now.

2010
01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:52,880
Speaker 4: They only had fifty two players in the roster for

2011
01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:54,639
Speaker 4: the game. Yeah, I thought that was illegal.

2012
01:28:56,040 --> 01:28:57,240
Speaker 3: They only have fifty two players.

2013
01:28:57,280 --> 01:28:57,640
Speaker 1: I don't know.

2014
01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:02,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought you had to go into every game

2015
01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:03,720
Speaker 4: where the fifty three players.

2016
01:29:03,479 --> 01:29:05,800
Speaker 1: That happened before, Paul, where they had fifty two.

2017
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:07,400
Speaker 4: And they have to move a guy up to the

2018
01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:09,720
Speaker 4: practice squad from the practice squad when that happens. Oh,

2019
01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:13,920
Speaker 4: they did Farms never mind, right, Farms backed down? Never mind?

2020
01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:17,040
Speaker 4: They did have fifty three guys. Yeah, okay, right, because

2021
01:29:17,080 --> 01:29:19,200
Speaker 4: Farms got elevated to the from the practice squad.

2022
01:29:19,439 --> 01:29:22,000
Speaker 3: Sure, he went to have fifty two players signed to

2023
01:29:22,040 --> 01:29:23,520
Speaker 3: the fifty three mans.

2024
01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:27,280
Speaker 4: Right now, so that's three. So someone's got to go. Now,

2025
01:29:27,439 --> 01:29:30,599
Speaker 4: Marcus Stones not eligible anyway yet, right, it's not eligible

2026
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:32,640
Speaker 4: to come off now. I know he's not going to

2027
01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:37,639
Speaker 4: come off anyway, but yeah, Reef, I think makes sense.

2028
01:29:38,280 --> 01:29:40,840
Speaker 4: Riley Reef, you need you need some bodies up there.

2029
01:29:41,240 --> 01:29:45,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, I think the Riley Reef in some ways,

2030
01:29:45,479 --> 01:29:48,320
Speaker 3: like we were talking about earlier, like he is known

2031
01:29:48,520 --> 01:29:52,879
Speaker 3: for being a pretty tough, hard nose, run blocking lineman

2032
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:55,720
Speaker 3: and they can't run the ball, so maybe he does

2033
01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:59,120
Speaker 3: help you in that respect. It's disappointing that Taekwon is

2034
01:29:59,160 --> 01:30:01,200
Speaker 3: not out there, not because I think he's the lord

2035
01:30:01,280 --> 01:30:03,439
Speaker 3: and savior of the offense or anything like that, but

2036
01:30:03,920 --> 01:30:06,320
Speaker 3: all indications were that he was going to be out

2037
01:30:06,360 --> 01:30:09,599
Speaker 3: there today, that there was some you know, scuttle butt

2038
01:30:09,720 --> 01:30:14,200
Speaker 3: about that, and I who knows like he just doesn't.

2039
01:30:14,280 --> 01:30:16,280
Speaker 4: Do you think there's any chance that he's out there now?

2040
01:30:17,840 --> 01:30:19,520
Speaker 4: I said, they're just trying.

2041
01:30:19,280 --> 01:30:23,040
Speaker 1: To keep it from He had a trouble taping something

2042
01:30:23,160 --> 01:30:23,320
Speaker 1: like that.

2043
01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:26,120
Speaker 4: No, but I mean maybe you know, like Wednesday's the

2044
01:30:26,160 --> 01:30:29,559
Speaker 4: big media day New Orleans, like this will be the headlines.

2045
01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:32,240
Speaker 4: There's all these guys that are eligible to return, and

2046
01:30:32,280 --> 01:30:33,840
Speaker 4: who was out there and who wasn't and New Olean's

2047
01:30:33,880 --> 01:30:36,920
Speaker 4: reads it on Wednesday. Okay, well, he's eligible to return,

2048
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:38,400
Speaker 4: but he wasn't out at practice. We don't have to

2049
01:30:38,479 --> 01:30:39,200
Speaker 4: really worry me.

2050
01:30:39,439 --> 01:30:40,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, but if he comes out, they

2051
01:30:41,040 --> 01:30:42,360
Speaker 1: have to listen him in the report.

2052
01:30:43,800 --> 01:30:46,479
Speaker 4: They won't be on the roster. What do you mean,

2053
01:30:46,760 --> 01:30:48,120
Speaker 4: He's not on the roster, so you don't have to

2054
01:30:48,160 --> 01:30:48,720
Speaker 4: listen them at all.

2055
01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:51,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, none of these guys have to be listed on

2056
01:30:51,040 --> 01:30:55,639
Speaker 3: the injury report until they're activated starting. Yeah, but get

2057
01:30:55,880 --> 01:30:57,880
Speaker 3: that will be on the wire, the fact that their

2058
01:30:57,920 --> 01:30:59,960
Speaker 3: clock has started will will be on the wire.

2059
01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:02,559
Speaker 4: Right, and I think that would be tonight, right Yeah.

2060
01:31:03,200 --> 01:31:03,479
Speaker 1: Okay.

2061
01:31:03,560 --> 01:31:06,679
Speaker 6: It's funny because I saw some like obviously false reports

2062
01:31:06,760 --> 01:31:10,479
Speaker 6: now of people saying sources tell me that Taekwon Thornton

2063
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:11,320
Speaker 6: will return this we.

2064
01:31:11,360 --> 01:31:14,280
Speaker 3: Well, I'll just like I saw that. We don't break

2065
01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:17,080
Speaker 3: news here, but I will tell you that that a

2066
01:31:17,160 --> 01:31:19,439
Speaker 3: lot of people were being told that Taekwon was going

2067
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:22,839
Speaker 3: to come back now not you know, other people outside

2068
01:31:22,840 --> 01:31:24,040
Speaker 3: of are this.

2069
01:31:24,360 --> 01:31:25,880
Speaker 1: I saw the one guy doing it.

2070
01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:28,840
Speaker 4: It's a kid that I wasn't really familiar with until

2071
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:30,400
Speaker 4: this summer, and I haven't seen it.

2072
01:31:30,479 --> 01:31:34,639
Speaker 3: Right, I'm just saying that the people that the media

2073
01:31:34,680 --> 01:31:36,800
Speaker 3: I was just at practice with a lot of those

2074
01:31:36,840 --> 01:31:39,639
Speaker 3: people were hearing through the grape vine, but they weren't

2075
01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:42,160
Speaker 3: but they weren't reporting. They weren't reporting it, which tells

2076
01:31:42,240 --> 01:31:43,280
Speaker 3: me that they were hearing.

2077
01:31:43,120 --> 01:31:45,080
Speaker 4: It from somebody else. Yeah, so like do you know

2078
01:31:45,120 --> 01:31:46,680
Speaker 4: what I mean? Like in other words, Evan said that

2079
01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:50,479
Speaker 4: they're you know, like not like Bill Belichick told me

2080
01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:52,599
Speaker 4: that they're gonna So with all.

2081
01:31:52,560 --> 01:31:56,400
Speaker 1: This coming and going and new faces or old faces back,

2082
01:31:56,840 --> 01:31:59,200
Speaker 1: was there an audible gasp from the media when you

2083
01:31:59,280 --> 01:31:59,800
Speaker 1: get out there?

2084
01:32:00,280 --> 01:32:02,760
Speaker 3: There was no audible gas, but there was a there

2085
01:32:02,920 --> 01:32:07,160
Speaker 3: was maybe we'll call it a false start by the media.

2086
01:32:07,280 --> 01:32:07,559
Speaker 1: We did.

2087
01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:13,400
Speaker 3: We left before we were kicked out, which just conditioned,

2088
01:32:13,680 --> 01:32:17,080
Speaker 3: Oh the horn went off and we are said our

2089
01:32:17,160 --> 01:32:21,280
Speaker 3: condition that that's the end of our time, and Stacy

2090
01:32:21,360 --> 01:32:23,479
Speaker 3: called us back and said, no, no, we still got

2091
01:32:23,479 --> 01:32:25,920
Speaker 3: another couple of minutes here. Guys, like hang out a

2092
01:32:25,960 --> 01:32:29,000
Speaker 3: little bit longer and uh, you know you're not supposed

2093
01:32:29,040 --> 01:32:32,920
Speaker 3: to to tweet until it's closed, right, And of course

2094
01:32:32,960 --> 01:32:35,240
Speaker 3: all of us fired off our tweets because we thought

2095
01:32:35,280 --> 01:32:38,080
Speaker 3: we were done. So we're all in trouble.

2096
01:32:38,320 --> 01:32:38,519
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2097
01:32:38,640 --> 01:32:41,720
Speaker 3: No, no, we're not in trouble. But that's funny that

2098
01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:42,679
Speaker 3: that did happen.

2099
01:32:43,320 --> 01:32:44,840
Speaker 1: How was the mood of the team.

2100
01:32:46,320 --> 01:32:49,040
Speaker 3: The mood of the team is Henry happier than he evident.

2101
01:32:49,640 --> 01:32:51,439
Speaker 3: The mood of the team is literally the same no

2102
01:32:51,560 --> 01:32:54,880
Speaker 3: matter what, Like I never like you can never always

2103
01:32:54,920 --> 01:32:57,960
Speaker 3: said that you never actually tell a difference between the

2104
01:32:58,080 --> 01:33:01,880
Speaker 3: mood of the team at one and three, three and one.

2105
01:33:02,040 --> 01:33:05,599
Speaker 3: You just they're the same. It's it's warm work.

2106
01:33:05,840 --> 01:33:08,080
Speaker 4: Yeah. I remember like maybe a year or so in

2107
01:33:08,800 --> 01:33:10,840
Speaker 4: for when when I came to work with Freddy and

2108
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:12,760
Speaker 4: I was talking to you about this on the bus,

2109
01:33:12,840 --> 01:33:15,120
Speaker 4: you know, and you said something like so I think

2110
01:33:15,160 --> 01:33:17,040
Speaker 4: it was like probably in the middle middle of the

2111
01:33:17,040 --> 01:33:18,560
Speaker 4: first year, and you said like, so, you know, what

2112
01:33:18,640 --> 01:33:20,320
Speaker 4: do you think or something like that, and I was like,

2113
01:33:21,360 --> 01:33:24,120
Speaker 4: the biggest thing for being on the team plane is

2114
01:33:24,160 --> 01:33:26,320
Speaker 4: that you could never tell after a game if they

2115
01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:26,920
Speaker 4: want or a lost.

2116
01:33:26,960 --> 01:33:28,800
Speaker 3: I know, people said ask me that all the time,

2117
01:33:28,960 --> 01:33:30,920
Speaker 3: they're like, oh, it must have been a long ride home.

2118
01:33:30,960 --> 01:33:32,400
Speaker 3: I'm like, it's the same ride home.

2119
01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:35,400
Speaker 1: It's the same in our plane. Now you can't even

2120
01:33:35,479 --> 01:33:36,200
Speaker 1: see the players.

2121
01:33:36,360 --> 01:33:38,160
Speaker 3: No, I know, but it's not like on that plane,

2122
01:33:38,320 --> 01:33:40,799
Speaker 3: not like hearing any like, it's not like celebration.

2123
01:33:40,920 --> 01:33:43,160
Speaker 4: There was one exception to that rule, and it was

2124
01:33:43,640 --> 01:33:45,840
Speaker 4: the game in two thousand and seven that they beat

2125
01:33:45,880 --> 01:33:49,679
Speaker 4: the Colts and they played another one bites the dust

2126
01:33:49,760 --> 01:33:54,160
Speaker 4: on the way home and that plane just floated home.

2127
01:33:55,960 --> 01:33:58,400
Speaker 4: You know, a couple other examples, like the famous one

2128
01:33:58,439 --> 01:34:01,280
Speaker 4: in two thousand and one, Freddy when Charlie Weiss was

2129
01:34:01,320 --> 01:34:04,200
Speaker 4: watching the TV of the Raiders Jets game and would

2130
01:34:04,200 --> 01:34:07,040
Speaker 4: try to figure out if we were going to the

2131
01:34:07,200 --> 01:34:11,400
Speaker 4: Raiders or the wild card or whatever, and the plane

2132
01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:14,519
Speaker 4: erupted when when the Jets won that game, which allowed

2133
01:34:14,560 --> 01:34:18,200
Speaker 4: the Patriots to have the buye. But I mean, you

2134
01:34:18,360 --> 01:34:20,960
Speaker 4: go like thirty to ten losses in Miami where they

2135
01:34:21,000 --> 01:34:23,640
Speaker 4: buried the ball, you'd have no idea. You'd have no

2136
01:34:23,760 --> 01:34:26,280
Speaker 4: idea after the game that they that they had just

2137
01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:26,960
Speaker 4: gotten killed.

2138
01:34:27,479 --> 01:34:30,439
Speaker 1: So we we know in practice, when it's really hot out,

2139
01:34:31,479 --> 01:34:34,840
Speaker 1: the coaches tend to wear heavier clothes and when it's

2140
01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:38,479
Speaker 1: really cold out they don't wear any clothes. Is that true?

2141
01:34:38,520 --> 01:34:39,839
Speaker 1: So now it's in between.

2142
01:34:40,120 --> 01:34:43,160
Speaker 3: It was actually pretty hot out there, record highs today

2143
01:34:43,200 --> 01:34:44,920
Speaker 3: eighty three. Oh, that's very hot.

2144
01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:47,640
Speaker 1: So were there a lot of heavy hoodies and you know,

2145
01:34:48,439 --> 01:34:50,639
Speaker 1: Robert jacksons, no, but tees.

2146
01:34:51,280 --> 01:34:55,200
Speaker 3: It was very hot. It was unseasonably warm. So media

2147
01:34:55,280 --> 01:34:58,400
Speaker 3: grousing related to the Yeah, and of course that today

2148
01:34:58,520 --> 01:34:59,840
Speaker 3: was the day that we got to stay out there

2149
01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:02,120
Speaker 3: or extra time as like none of us.

2150
01:35:02,120 --> 01:35:04,439
Speaker 5: Were guys over there in the sun, the sun.

2151
01:35:04,760 --> 01:35:06,360
Speaker 3: We're like holding up my hands.

2152
01:35:06,280 --> 01:35:09,280
Speaker 1: A lot of sun exchange, like did anyone bring sunscreen?

2153
01:35:09,479 --> 01:35:09,519
Speaker 13: No?

2154
01:35:09,720 --> 01:35:13,599
Speaker 3: But I wish I wore some sunglasses or something, because

2155
01:35:13,640 --> 01:35:14,680
Speaker 3: the sun is you know, it's right.

2156
01:35:14,840 --> 01:35:17,240
Speaker 5: Sure he didn't squint. And see Taekwon, he's like skinny.

2157
01:35:17,360 --> 01:35:20,840
Speaker 3: I'd be curious to see if he gets out there

2158
01:35:21,320 --> 01:35:23,400
Speaker 3: this week at all, if it's if it's today or

2159
01:35:23,479 --> 01:35:26,400
Speaker 3: tomorrow whatever, because yeah, maybe it's you know, it's very

2160
01:35:26,479 --> 01:35:28,040
Speaker 3: possible that it could just be tomorrow, like you know,

2161
01:35:28,160 --> 01:35:31,160
Speaker 3: like that that does happen. They pads today, Yeah, yeah,

2162
01:35:31,160 --> 01:35:34,240
Speaker 3: Wednesdays they've been in pads and then you know Thursday,

2163
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Speaker 3: Friday not pads. But they've been in pads most Wednesdays

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Speaker 3: in season A.

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Speaker 4: Right, because they don't have to determine who's on the

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Speaker 4: roster until Saturday.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, so.

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Speaker 5: But probably, I mean I kind of was holding out

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Speaker 5: hope the taekwon THRM was gonna play this weekend. I

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Speaker 5: mean this is probably. I mean, I know he could

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01:35:49,680 --> 01:35:51,559
Speaker 5: come out tomorrow, but if he's not there, I.

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01:35:51,560 --> 01:35:53,720
Speaker 4: Would say if he didn't, if he's not practicing at

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01:35:53,720 --> 01:35:55,559
Speaker 4: all today, I would say, you're probably right.

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Speaker 5: Not yeah, Bama.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, well, well, hold out hope, but should you safe? Now?

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Speaker 1: All right? Web radio at patries dot com is the

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Speaker 1: email address the ACE ticket hotline. Uh, let's get back

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Speaker 1: to your calls and emails. Jim is in San Francisco.

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Speaker 1: What's up, Jim? Yeah, yep a Jim. Yeah, Okay, here

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Speaker 1: we go.

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Speaker 14: I'm not none as down on the whole team as

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01:36:25,640 --> 01:36:30,120
Speaker 14: everybody else here. I think when we get Evans old boy,

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01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:35,839
Speaker 14: uh pekwon back, we can open up some Jets sweeps,

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01:36:35,880 --> 01:36:36,759
Speaker 14: open up the middle.

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Speaker 8: Of the field a little bit.

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Speaker 14: And I think, if I'm if I'm Bill, I'm calling

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01:36:41,680 --> 01:36:43,920
Speaker 14: Cincinnati and I'm trying to get to the Higgins because

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01:36:43,960 --> 01:36:47,280
Speaker 14: I know he wants out. You gotta probably give at

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Speaker 14: least a one or one or two and maybe a

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01:36:50,360 --> 01:36:53,120
Speaker 14: mid rounder. But you got to get somebody in this.

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01:36:53,439 --> 01:36:55,400
Speaker 14: We need some new blow, we need some speed, we

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01:36:55,479 --> 01:36:59,120
Speaker 14: need some blanked. I'm giving Cincy a call and trying

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01:36:59,120 --> 01:36:59,679
Speaker 14: to drag.

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Speaker 5: Him over here.

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Speaker 1: Right, Okay, thanks Jims.

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Speaker 3: He does Higgs?

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Speaker 1: You guys do that?

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01:37:07,120 --> 01:37:09,160
Speaker 3: Well, Tis say a first and a third.

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Speaker 4: He's hurt for T Higgins, So okay, first and a

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01:37:12,560 --> 01:37:14,720
Speaker 4: third for a receiver, a wide receiver who's going to

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Speaker 4: be a free agent at the end.

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Speaker 1: Of the year. No, well, what if you bring him

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01:37:18,280 --> 01:37:20,360
Speaker 1: in and you know, sign and you sign him?

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01:37:20,680 --> 01:37:22,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, And then I would say, I mean that's the

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01:37:22,800 --> 01:37:27,400
Speaker 4: j Brown but yeah, because I don't care about this year, right,

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01:37:27,880 --> 01:37:30,200
Speaker 4: but I'll take T Higgins going forward, but you get

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01:37:30,240 --> 01:37:32,000
Speaker 4: him before he gets on the mark. Yeah. And by

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01:37:32,040 --> 01:37:33,840
Speaker 4: the way, T Higgins a number one.

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Speaker 1: He's a number one.

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Speaker 4: I think he could be well he definitely, yeah, but

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01:37:38,240 --> 01:37:39,920
Speaker 4: I think he could be. And the other thing that

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01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:43,439
Speaker 4: I think is interesting is Cincinnati's, you know, sort of

2213
01:37:43,479 --> 01:37:46,599
Speaker 4: teetering at one and three and they look awful. He's

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01:37:46,720 --> 01:37:50,559
Speaker 4: planning on playing this week, so like I know everybody

2215
01:37:50,680 --> 01:37:51,439
Speaker 4: is like looking at it.

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01:37:51,520 --> 01:37:52,360
Speaker 3: It's like, well.

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01:37:52,400 --> 01:37:54,800
Speaker 4: He's a trade guy. Well he's trying to get out

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01:37:54,800 --> 01:37:57,880
Speaker 4: there and play to save their season. He doesn't sound

2219
01:37:58,080 --> 01:38:01,160
Speaker 4: that doesn't sound like a guy who's pushing through expect to. Yeah,

2220
01:38:01,160 --> 01:38:02,080
Speaker 4: he's got a broken rib.

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01:38:02,520 --> 01:38:03,080
Speaker 5: H that's painful.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you're done just with T Higgins,

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01:38:05,280 --> 01:38:07,679
Speaker 3: Like I think the T Higgins is the number one receiver,

2224
01:38:08,520 --> 01:38:11,200
Speaker 3: but like it's kind of like you know, in baseball

2225
01:38:11,800 --> 01:38:13,599
Speaker 3: he's the number one starter, But is he an ace?

2226
01:38:13,800 --> 01:38:15,880
Speaker 3: Like I don't. I don't know about that, Like you know,

2227
01:38:16,120 --> 01:38:17,760
Speaker 3: so that's why everyone's.

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01:38:17,400 --> 01:38:19,680
Speaker 5: Got him in the crosshairs and like I'm great. I

2229
01:38:19,720 --> 01:38:21,320
Speaker 5: mean he's good, you know. I just I don't want

2230
01:38:21,320 --> 01:38:22,759
Speaker 5: to make sure like you get him in the receiver.

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01:38:22,920 --> 01:38:25,240
Speaker 1: Well he's not the right number one, he's one B.

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01:38:25,520 --> 01:38:27,280
Speaker 1: We got a one B. No, we need that one.

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01:38:27,360 --> 01:38:29,640
Speaker 4: Ag For someone who says you shouldn't worry about what

2234
01:38:29,720 --> 01:38:32,479
Speaker 4: people say you, you often are arguing with the people

2235
01:38:32,520 --> 01:38:35,960
Speaker 4: who say things, Well, I get that's my plan. Let it, dude,

2236
01:38:36,320 --> 01:38:37,960
Speaker 4: stay in your lane. You'll let me be in my life.

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01:38:37,960 --> 01:38:40,880
Speaker 3: I feel the arguments before they I think both. I

2238
01:38:40,920 --> 01:38:43,519
Speaker 3: think Both those guys are definitely better than anybody you have,

2239
01:38:43,840 --> 01:38:46,560
Speaker 3: and they're really good receivers, but they truly move the

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Speaker 3: needle for the Patriots in a way Higgins would. I

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01:38:49,479 --> 01:38:51,519
Speaker 3: think it moves the needle, But I don't if that's

2242
01:38:51,560 --> 01:38:55,000
Speaker 3: your only move, If all you're doing is trading for T. Higgins,

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01:38:55,040 --> 01:38:55,639
Speaker 3: I don't think it's.

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01:38:55,800 --> 01:38:57,880
Speaker 6: It's just funny though, when in a league where literally

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01:38:57,920 --> 01:38:59,920
Speaker 6: you could throw out a fake trade for anybody that like,

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01:39:00,160 --> 01:39:02,840
Speaker 6: it's always T Higgins is always the guy that like,

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01:39:02,920 --> 01:39:05,320
Speaker 6: that's the savior for the Patriots offense is T Higgins.

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Speaker 4: But I think that the reason why people fixate on

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01:39:07,800 --> 01:39:10,760
Speaker 4: a guy like that is because of the situation he's in. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: you know, they they're gonna have to they just reup borrow.

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Speaker 4: They're gonna have to reap Chase because Chase is the

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01:39:15,720 --> 01:39:18,120
Speaker 4: better player. I would agree with you that Tim Higgins

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01:39:18,200 --> 01:39:21,720
Speaker 4: is not Chase. So they're kind of using logic and

2254
01:39:21,760 --> 01:39:25,840
Speaker 4: saying they can't sign everyone, even though you can, they

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Speaker 4: that team, I would say won't because that team is

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Speaker 4: pretty tight. So I think that's why people look at T.

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Speaker 4: Higgins and they say, well, yeah, I would rather have

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01:39:36,640 --> 01:39:40,120
Speaker 4: a J. Brown or Devonte Adams, but T Higgins is available.

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Speaker 4: That's a realistic option.

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Speaker 3: I'm not like if I had the choice, if you

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Speaker 3: told me, like you could have any of the like

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01:39:48,479 --> 01:39:50,320
Speaker 3: like the guys Paul is talking about that are going

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Speaker 3: to be available and realistic, like I'd probably rather Judy

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Speaker 3: or Brandon ni Yuk. Honestly, Oh, I would take out you.

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Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 4: I don't love Judy.

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Speaker 5: I haven't seen much, seen much. I haven't seen it

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01:40:00,960 --> 01:40:02,360
Speaker 5: seems like he gets hurt all the time.

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Speaker 3: I love Ayuk.

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01:40:03,640 --> 01:40:06,200
Speaker 4: I think Brandon Ayuk I think is developing into a star.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I I I like to Higgins. I just think

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Speaker 3: that that his skill set is. You know, he's an

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01:40:11,600 --> 01:40:16,040
Speaker 3: outside guy, can tested catches big receiver like I just

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Speaker 3: with the quarter. If you're sticking with Mac like then

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Speaker 3: I think a guy like Brandon Nyuk who's a route runner,

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Speaker 3: who's a really good.

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Speaker 4: And Mike you explosive. We miss some of these reds,

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Speaker 4: like some of the catches he made on Oh yeah,

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Speaker 4: we're ridiculous.

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Speaker 5: In fact, let me catalog him off for you.

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Speaker 4: He gets mad when when I'm like, oh my god,

2282
01:40:33,400 --> 01:40:36,240
Speaker 4: you see that question, how are you in the middle

2283
01:40:36,240 --> 01:40:39,479
Speaker 4: of a conversation. I like, it's right there on that model, like,

2284
01:40:39,520 --> 01:40:40,519
Speaker 4: how did the Jets get the ball back?

2285
01:40:40,560 --> 01:40:42,800
Speaker 6: Said, well, obviously there's just an interception and they punted

2286
01:40:42,800 --> 01:40:43,800
Speaker 6: it back to him and then he got it with

2287
01:40:43,920 --> 01:40:44,840
Speaker 6: sixty five years game.

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Speaker 5: I'm like, we're doing a radio show right.

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Speaker 1: Now, like, how do you game book?

2290
01:40:50,240 --> 01:40:53,640
Speaker 4: I'd like, I'd like to say that he's exaggerates.

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01:40:53,320 --> 01:40:55,000
Speaker 5: But do you think there's any concern though, of these

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Speaker 5: guys like and and I'm with you.

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01:40:56,680 --> 01:40:59,439
Speaker 6: I'm just you know, throwing thought out there that maybe

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Speaker 6: they're not as good when they don't have Debo or

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01:41:01,680 --> 01:41:02,960
Speaker 6: Jamar Chase across.

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Speaker 1: On the Absolutely, they're gonna come here.

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Speaker 3: It's the number one and that's my juju theory, and

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01:41:06,320 --> 01:41:08,280
Speaker 3: everyone's like, you know, So that's why I.

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Speaker 6: Think my bigger point is just that we get this

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Speaker 6: calls for years and years now on T Higgins and

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Speaker 6: it's like, are we sure that that's the answer, because

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Speaker 6: I don't want to like talk about sending a first

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Speaker 6: round a third round pick to a guy that we're like.

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Speaker 4: Oh, Michael, Michael, I couldn't agree with you more, but

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Speaker 4: absolutely I agree with that.

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Speaker 3: That's why I feel like you're not done. Like you

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Speaker 3: have to have t Higgins and maybe a player in

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Speaker 3: the draft, you know, a top one hundred player, a

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01:41:31,200 --> 01:41:33,560
Speaker 3: top one hundred guy in the draft, and you know,

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01:41:33,680 --> 01:41:35,920
Speaker 3: do what the Eagles did, do what Miami did do,

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01:41:36,160 --> 01:41:39,280
Speaker 3: Like you have to pair those guys with with somebody else.

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Speaker 4: I my bigger fear is do they know what to

2313
01:41:42,080 --> 01:41:44,120
Speaker 4: do with a guy like that? Do they know how

2314
01:41:44,160 --> 01:41:46,640
Speaker 4: to best get the most out of a guy like that?

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01:41:47,000 --> 01:41:50,639
Speaker 4: Because they you know, with the with the small exception

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01:41:50,840 --> 01:41:55,000
Speaker 4: of like the Moss explosion, they've never really had that

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01:41:55,160 --> 01:41:56,840
Speaker 4: kind of a toy to to work with.

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Speaker 3: That's why I favored favorite Judy and Ayuk is because

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01:42:00,400 --> 01:42:01,880
Speaker 3: that those types of guys are more.

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Speaker 1: Thing about them. Think Joey Galloway was Yeah.

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Speaker 4: No, I mean, like listen, it's easy to sit here

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01:42:08,640 --> 01:42:12,479
Speaker 4: and laugh and say that all of those guys couldn't

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01:42:12,479 --> 01:42:16,200
Speaker 4: pick up the system, right, you know, then there's a

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01:42:16,280 --> 01:42:21,120
Speaker 4: laundry list, right, yep, there's a there's a commonality here.

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01:42:22,240 --> 01:42:24,840
Speaker 4: They're all trying to pick up this system and maybe

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Speaker 4: weren't allowed to do it any other way. And I

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01:42:28,560 --> 01:42:31,120
Speaker 4: wonder if you know, like Brandon Ayuk doesn't work because

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01:42:31,320 --> 01:42:33,639
Speaker 4: he does things. That's not the way we do them here,

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01:42:33,760 --> 01:42:35,720
Speaker 4: and we're not going to force feed them. We're not

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01:42:35,720 --> 01:42:38,280
Speaker 4: going to make him the number one and whatever. I

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01:42:38,760 --> 01:42:42,639
Speaker 4: would worry. I think he's really telling you. I think

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01:42:42,680 --> 01:42:46,880
Speaker 4: he's blossoming into a star, like he's really good. But

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Speaker 4: I just wonder if they would look at that and say, well, yeah,

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01:42:49,800 --> 01:42:52,840
Speaker 4: well here, when you're the when you're the guy in

2335
01:42:52,920 --> 01:42:55,320
Speaker 4: the game plan that we call for to get thrown to,

2336
01:42:55,439 --> 01:42:57,559
Speaker 4: but next week you might not get any any targets.

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01:42:58,080 --> 01:42:59,880
Speaker 4: That's the way they do it here. And I wonder

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01:43:00,000 --> 01:43:02,240
Speaker 4: I worry about that more than I worry about the

2339
01:43:02,360 --> 01:43:04,040
Speaker 4: guy that acquired isn't that good?

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Speaker 5: And I feel like Brady got kind of blamed for

2341
01:43:06,040 --> 01:43:06,360
Speaker 5: some of that.

2342
01:43:06,840 --> 01:43:09,000
Speaker 4: All the time, all the time he got blamed for

2343
01:43:09,320 --> 01:43:11,320
Speaker 4: continued post Brady, like you know, like.

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01:43:12,920 --> 01:43:16,479
Speaker 3: I just feel like I always look at, like, you know,

2345
01:43:17,000 --> 01:43:19,360
Speaker 3: the guys that have succeeded here, and you know, I

2346
01:43:19,439 --> 01:43:21,519
Speaker 3: know we talk about Jacoby Myers a lot because of

2347
01:43:21,760 --> 01:43:25,439
Speaker 3: the decision the offseason, but like Jacobe Myers succeeded here, Okay,

2348
01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:27,840
Speaker 3: why why did he succeed here? And you look at

2349
01:43:27,880 --> 01:43:30,439
Speaker 3: the traits that Jacoby Myers has and then you just

2350
01:43:30,960 --> 01:43:34,640
Speaker 3: quarterback look at those traits and say, well, if we

2351
01:43:34,760 --> 01:43:36,840
Speaker 3: had Jacoby Myers but he runs a four to four

2352
01:43:36,920 --> 01:43:39,200
Speaker 3: instead of a four to six, Like now we're like,

2353
01:43:39,320 --> 01:43:41,839
Speaker 3: we're gonna have an even better Jacoby Myers, but instead

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01:43:42,320 --> 01:43:45,120
Speaker 3: of like t Higgins who's a completely different type of

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01:43:45,200 --> 01:43:47,280
Speaker 3: receiver who plays on the outside that you have to

2356
01:43:47,360 --> 01:43:49,920
Speaker 3: throw open and throw jump balls to and things like that.

2357
01:43:50,600 --> 01:43:53,519
Speaker 3: That hasn't really worked here. So like I love Parker,

2358
01:43:54,280 --> 01:43:55,160
Speaker 3: but it hasn't worked.

2359
01:43:55,960 --> 01:43:59,000
Speaker 4: But he's good. Maybe it would work if you were

2360
01:43:59,040 --> 01:44:02,760
Speaker 4: trying to treat Higgins the way they treat Parker, maybe

2361
01:44:02,800 --> 01:44:04,200
Speaker 4: they would have a big play machine.

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01:44:04,439 --> 01:44:06,960
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't I don't have like a

2363
01:44:07,040 --> 01:44:09,960
Speaker 3: lot of hope in them their ability to take that

2364
01:44:10,240 --> 01:44:11,439
Speaker 3: specific skill set.

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01:44:11,800 --> 01:44:14,559
Speaker 5: That point. I like that point, like because you're right

2366
01:44:14,760 --> 01:44:16,640
Speaker 5: like they this this is the guy that they seem like.

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01:44:16,680 --> 01:44:17,880
Speaker 5: They're like, we gotta get him out there.

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01:44:17,920 --> 01:44:19,679
Speaker 4: He's gotta be out there all the time. I'm with Evan,

2369
01:44:19,760 --> 01:44:21,479
Speaker 4: this last point that Evan's making, I don't have a

2370
01:44:21,520 --> 01:44:23,880
Speaker 4: lot of faith. Yeah, Like you can fill in the

2371
01:44:23,920 --> 01:44:26,320
Speaker 4: blank whichever one you like, the like I love Ayuk.

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01:44:26,560 --> 01:44:29,320
Speaker 4: If Evans guy is a Yuke. I will fall in

2373
01:44:29,439 --> 01:44:31,800
Speaker 4: line because I really like him. I don't have the

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01:44:31,880 --> 01:44:34,160
Speaker 4: faith that he'll be as good here as he was there.

2375
01:44:34,479 --> 01:44:37,040
Speaker 3: I don't know about that, Like I don't, I agree

2376
01:44:37,080 --> 01:44:41,439
Speaker 3: with you, but I think his skill set fits their

2377
01:44:41,600 --> 01:44:44,240
Speaker 3: offense better, especially if if Billy Oh is still here.

2378
01:44:44,800 --> 01:44:47,680
Speaker 3: Like quickness, route running, ability, like that's it.

2379
01:44:47,840 --> 01:44:50,720
Speaker 1: That's it's almost like, you know, what I'm hearing is

2380
01:44:50,800 --> 01:44:53,479
Speaker 1: almost like we used to talk about Front seven guys

2381
01:44:53,680 --> 01:44:57,040
Speaker 1: like pass Rechid. Yeah he had ten sacks at that team,

2382
01:44:57,120 --> 01:44:59,240
Speaker 1: but Bill's not gonna let him do that. Yeah, right,

2383
01:44:59,439 --> 01:45:02,960
Speaker 1: you know it's I'm hearing like the same thing, except

2384
01:45:03,040 --> 01:45:03,639
Speaker 1: on offense.

2385
01:45:03,960 --> 01:45:06,559
Speaker 5: You know, yeah, it's it's related, for sure.

2386
01:45:07,640 --> 01:45:10,000
Speaker 4: I do have some concerns about the way they try

2387
01:45:10,040 --> 01:45:13,400
Speaker 4: to set things up in general to win. You know,

2388
01:45:13,800 --> 01:45:17,360
Speaker 4: it's nothing new, variations of you know, run the ball,

2389
01:45:17,479 --> 01:45:19,719
Speaker 4: play defense, and be strong on special teams.

2390
01:45:20,000 --> 01:45:23,639
Speaker 3: How did you see them wearing those shirts pregame tough teams,

2391
01:45:23,800 --> 01:45:25,120
Speaker 3: tough teams, cover kicks.

2392
01:45:25,680 --> 01:45:28,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's it, And I guess we're not all that tough.

2393
01:45:28,240 --> 01:45:30,200
Speaker 3: That that's a new kid. That's a league.

2394
01:45:30,280 --> 01:45:32,320
Speaker 1: We're spending a lot of time making t shirts.

2395
01:45:32,800 --> 01:45:34,960
Speaker 4: Last league punting a lot of.

2396
01:45:36,120 --> 01:45:38,120
Speaker 3: I wonder who the guy was that made that T

2397
01:45:38,280 --> 01:45:40,680
Speaker 3: shirt seeing that the guy that made the sweatshirts somebody, and.

2398
01:45:40,680 --> 01:45:43,880
Speaker 4: I believe the kick receiving team is somewhere around twenty six.

2399
01:45:43,800 --> 01:45:45,680
Speaker 1: Sounds like somebody in this team just invested in a

2400
01:45:45,760 --> 01:45:46,920
Speaker 1: T shirt store.

2401
01:45:47,640 --> 01:45:51,000
Speaker 3: Or one of those things called it the Yeah, like

2402
01:45:51,280 --> 01:45:52,360
Speaker 3: our opponent.

2403
01:45:55,000 --> 01:45:58,519
Speaker 4: Drive start is like really like those two things net

2404
01:45:58,640 --> 01:46:01,840
Speaker 4: punting that they're literally second. Now, some of that is

2405
01:46:01,920 --> 01:46:04,160
Speaker 4: due I think to a lot of plus fifty punting,

2406
01:46:04,920 --> 01:46:08,320
Speaker 4: but the other part of it is the kick returns

2407
01:46:08,400 --> 01:46:10,280
Speaker 4: that the other team. I think they're like twenty sixth

2408
01:46:10,400 --> 01:46:11,880
Speaker 4: in kick coverage something like that.

2409
01:46:13,600 --> 01:46:14,479
Speaker 5: I'm not getting into with you.

2410
01:46:14,520 --> 01:46:18,080
Speaker 3: Paul, don't worry. Cody Davis is coming back saving well.

2411
01:46:18,280 --> 01:46:20,519
Speaker 4: And then you know, so someone will say, like Paul,

2412
01:46:20,640 --> 01:46:23,960
Speaker 4: Paul mocked it, but they're they're struggling on special teams. Yeah,

2413
01:46:25,680 --> 01:46:27,559
Speaker 4: that'll be the difference between wins and losses.

2414
01:46:28,080 --> 01:46:32,200
Speaker 1: Alex is in Austin, Texas. What's up, Alex? Hey, guys,

2415
01:46:32,240 --> 01:46:33,360
Speaker 1: how we doing goody?

2416
01:46:34,760 --> 01:46:35,200
Speaker 20: First time?

2417
01:46:35,320 --> 01:46:38,360
Speaker 8: Long time here? Kind of I'm kind of in the

2418
01:46:38,439 --> 01:46:40,840
Speaker 8: same boat as Evan in the sense like I don't

2419
01:46:40,840 --> 01:46:45,200
Speaker 8: remember too much of the before times, like I'm a

2420
01:46:45,240 --> 01:46:48,639
Speaker 8: couple of years older, but I like vaguely remember Drew time.

2421
01:46:49,240 --> 01:46:49,439
Speaker 1: Wow.

2422
01:46:50,479 --> 01:46:53,000
Speaker 20: But the word that's come into my mind when thinking

2423
01:46:53,040 --> 01:46:57,920
Speaker 20: about this team is dysfunctional and like we're we're on

2424
01:46:58,040 --> 01:47:02,600
Speaker 20: a path towards lap looking like the Judge and the Texans.

2425
01:47:02,400 --> 01:47:03,960
Speaker 11: Have the past several years.

2426
01:47:04,680 --> 01:47:07,040
Speaker 8: And I don't know if like a T. Higgins is

2427
01:47:07,120 --> 01:47:09,320
Speaker 8: gonna solve that, So I'll.

2428
01:47:11,360 --> 01:47:15,599
Speaker 1: Okay, thanks, yeah, yeah, I mean it is taught.

2429
01:47:15,720 --> 01:47:17,679
Speaker 3: It is hard, like I'm not trying to like woe

2430
01:47:17,840 --> 01:47:22,479
Speaker 3: is me, but like you you don't one in three

2431
01:47:22,840 --> 01:47:25,360
Speaker 3: like in this situation, and like it looking like it's

2432
01:47:25,439 --> 01:47:27,560
Speaker 3: looking in terms of where this team is heading, Like

2433
01:47:27,760 --> 01:47:30,000
Speaker 3: people from my generation do not know what this is

2434
01:47:30,160 --> 01:47:33,200
Speaker 3: like like we have no clue what to do. I'll

2435
01:47:33,280 --> 01:47:35,800
Speaker 3: fully admit it, like we you were lost, like we're

2436
01:47:35,880 --> 01:47:38,280
Speaker 3: lost puppies right now. It's like what do you Our

2437
01:47:38,320 --> 01:47:40,400
Speaker 3: team's not going to be good, like you know we're not,

2438
01:47:40,640 --> 01:47:42,599
Speaker 3: Like this isn't just you know, rinse and repeat. It's

2439
01:47:42,760 --> 01:47:45,840
Speaker 3: too easy before Yeah, and it's tough, like it's tough

2440
01:47:45,920 --> 01:47:47,640
Speaker 3: to wrap your head around it.

2441
01:47:47,920 --> 01:47:50,920
Speaker 1: Eric the Red in me Bane, North Carolina, by way

2442
01:47:51,000 --> 01:47:54,559
Speaker 1: of situate. For twenty years, we have heard Bill Surley arrogant,

2443
01:47:54,680 --> 01:47:58,560
Speaker 1: frankly sometimes hilarious attitude toward the press, and when he

2444
01:47:58,680 --> 01:48:00,920
Speaker 1: was getting us deep into the play every year, he

2445
01:48:01,000 --> 01:48:04,439
Speaker 1: got away with it. Now the team he built, led

2446
01:48:04,479 --> 01:48:07,599
Speaker 1: by the coaches he hired, playing the games he designed,

2447
01:48:08,080 --> 01:48:10,920
Speaker 1: have been playing losing football for almost four years, and

2448
01:48:11,080 --> 01:48:13,880
Speaker 1: the time for that BS is long past. We need

2449
01:48:14,000 --> 01:48:17,720
Speaker 1: something from Bill. He demands from everyone under him, accountability.

2450
01:48:18,120 --> 01:48:21,040
Speaker 1: He deserves the tough questions, and we fans deserve to

2451
01:48:21,120 --> 01:48:23,960
Speaker 1: hear the answer. As a fan, I'll ride the ups

2452
01:48:23,960 --> 01:48:26,280
Speaker 1: and downs of my team's fortunes, even when it's an

2453
01:48:26,320 --> 01:48:31,680
Speaker 1: exercise in masochism. As a consumer who invests time, emotional investment,

2454
01:48:32,000 --> 01:48:34,120
Speaker 1: and a bunch of money on merch and getting out

2455
01:48:34,160 --> 01:48:37,120
Speaker 1: of market games, I'm living at the product on the

2456
01:48:37,240 --> 01:48:40,160
Speaker 1: field and the attitude of the man responsible. The bucks

2457
01:48:40,160 --> 01:48:42,960
Speaker 1: stops with you. Bill, be better better.

2458
01:48:44,400 --> 01:48:49,240
Speaker 3: Kill loves that press conference this morning was classic. He

2459
01:48:49,479 --> 01:48:53,759
Speaker 3: was late to the press conference. Then Alan Siegel asks

2460
01:48:53,800 --> 01:48:57,280
Speaker 3: him about trading for players and says, oh, like, when

2461
01:48:57,320 --> 01:49:00,360
Speaker 3: you have a rush of injuries at let's say corner, Bill, Like,

2462
01:49:00,600 --> 01:49:02,920
Speaker 3: would you let's say trade for let's say j C.

2463
01:49:03,120 --> 01:49:04,080
Speaker 3: Jackson to fill that.

2464
01:49:05,800 --> 01:49:08,760
Speaker 5: No, No, he didn't say Jack Jackson. I'm just saying,

2465
01:49:08,840 --> 01:49:10,439
Speaker 5: like he was saying generally, would you trade?

2466
01:49:10,439 --> 01:49:12,960
Speaker 3: Would you genuinely do it? I tell you I didn't

2467
01:49:12,960 --> 01:49:16,320
Speaker 3: even get back to my desk before Ian Rappaport tweeted

2468
01:49:16,400 --> 01:49:19,719
Speaker 3: that they traded for ja C. Jackson, and he looked

2469
01:49:19,720 --> 01:49:23,360
Speaker 3: Alan Siegel in the face and said, well, got to

2470
01:49:23,360 --> 01:49:24,280
Speaker 3: see who's available.

2471
01:49:26,160 --> 01:49:28,720
Speaker 5: That was like he did a solid like thirty five

2472
01:49:28,760 --> 01:49:30,840
Speaker 5: minutes on the on the on the Saints to like

2473
01:49:31,040 --> 01:49:32,960
Speaker 5: yet down. I was like zoning out and I'm like,

2474
01:49:33,120 --> 01:49:34,840
Speaker 5: oh my god, that's the idea.

2475
01:49:35,360 --> 01:49:39,680
Speaker 3: It was hilarious, Like he they he was. I am

2476
01:49:39,800 --> 01:49:42,160
Speaker 3: fully believe he was late to the press conference because

2477
01:49:42,160 --> 01:49:42,360
Speaker 3: they were.

2478
01:49:44,640 --> 01:49:44,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2479
01:49:45,920 --> 01:49:48,400
Speaker 3: And then Alan Siegel asks him about trading for a

2480
01:49:48,479 --> 01:49:51,400
Speaker 3: player at this time of year, and he basically boxed

2481
01:49:51,439 --> 01:49:51,960
Speaker 3: at the question.

2482
01:49:52,600 --> 01:49:53,439
Speaker 1: Great, it was great.

2483
01:49:53,479 --> 01:49:55,160
Speaker 6: Allen Seagull right after he did that, was like, I

2484
01:49:55,240 --> 01:49:58,120
Speaker 6: know you're trading for Jase jack Yeah, he just said

2485
01:49:58,360 --> 01:49:59,000
Speaker 6: that is funny.

2486
01:50:00,640 --> 01:50:04,040
Speaker 1: Uh. Braylen says, I haven't listened to you. I haven't

2487
01:50:04,080 --> 01:50:05,960
Speaker 1: listened to you guys in a couple of weeks, just

2488
01:50:06,040 --> 01:50:08,840
Speaker 1: because I've been depressed with this season, and I try

2489
01:50:08,880 --> 01:50:11,320
Speaker 1: to just disregard anything Patriots, but I just want to

2490
01:50:11,400 --> 01:50:14,200
Speaker 1: know you all's opinion on what could be done for

2491
01:50:14,320 --> 01:50:16,679
Speaker 1: this team to be successful after one and three start

2492
01:50:17,160 --> 01:50:20,439
Speaker 1: is a trade? Is it change play calling? Or maybe

2493
01:50:20,600 --> 01:50:22,679
Speaker 1: just give up for the season and gets stinky mac

2494
01:50:22,720 --> 01:50:25,680
Speaker 1: Jones out of here? Well that's I don't know, man,

2495
01:50:26,000 --> 01:50:28,479
Speaker 1: run what the show's all about is trying to figure

2496
01:50:28,479 --> 01:50:29,800
Speaker 1: it out. I don't know how.

2497
01:50:30,040 --> 01:50:31,599
Speaker 4: But they have to improve on offense.

2498
01:50:31,680 --> 01:50:34,240
Speaker 5: I mean it's yep. They have to pretend a quarterback.

2499
01:50:34,320 --> 01:50:36,440
Speaker 5: They have to run the ball, they have to complete.

2500
01:50:36,160 --> 01:50:39,000
Speaker 3: Passes, run the ball. Let's just let's just start there,

2501
01:50:39,360 --> 01:50:42,519
Speaker 3: like start week two, run.

2502
01:50:44,800 --> 01:50:45,080
Speaker 1: Score.

2503
01:50:45,920 --> 01:50:48,800
Speaker 3: They're not going to score points throwing the ball, trying

2504
01:50:48,840 --> 01:50:50,600
Speaker 3: to throw the ball. As much as they've had to

2505
01:50:50,720 --> 01:50:52,680
Speaker 3: throw the ball, they're not good enough at it.

2506
01:50:53,560 --> 01:50:55,519
Speaker 1: Chris with a T I A N. Prior to my

2507
01:50:55,640 --> 01:50:58,000
Speaker 1: call yesterday, you guys were in the who would you

2508
01:50:58,080 --> 01:51:01,200
Speaker 1: hire to replace Bill conversation when Fred asked, Evan and

2509
01:51:01,320 --> 01:51:04,639
Speaker 1: Paul both said Ben Johnson, Fred having no idea who

2510
01:51:04,680 --> 01:51:06,880
Speaker 1: the hell Ben Johnson is? Neither do I, by the way,

2511
01:51:07,280 --> 01:51:09,320
Speaker 1: didn't respond with I don't know who that is or

2512
01:51:09,880 --> 01:51:15,240
Speaker 1: or uh, I don't know who that is. He simply said, smoothly,

2513
01:51:15,360 --> 01:51:18,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, where is he? Now? Never let him see

2514
01:51:18,120 --> 01:51:18,519
Speaker 1: you sweat?

2515
01:51:20,240 --> 01:51:22,000
Speaker 4: And before, like you know, I know the guy that

2516
01:51:22,120 --> 01:51:22,559
Speaker 4: called it or.

2517
01:51:22,800 --> 01:51:24,439
Speaker 1: Talked about Ben Johnson last year.

2518
01:51:24,720 --> 01:51:29,000
Speaker 4: You know, we talked about it yesterday, but before, like

2519
01:51:29,320 --> 01:51:31,439
Speaker 4: you know, I know the guy that called in and

2520
01:51:31,800 --> 01:51:35,759
Speaker 4: evidently Ben Johnson's the anti Christ at school school plays.

2521
01:51:36,320 --> 01:51:38,000
Speaker 3: But you know, people like that.

2522
01:51:38,520 --> 01:51:42,400
Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not raying, I'm not waying specifically Ben Johnson.

2523
01:51:43,560 --> 01:51:46,760
Speaker 4: I'm giving him as an example of a guy who

2524
01:51:46,800 --> 01:51:50,280
Speaker 4: has had a lot of success as an offensive coordinator.

2525
01:51:50,720 --> 01:51:53,919
Speaker 4: I want the next offensive master.

2526
01:51:53,800 --> 01:51:55,680
Speaker 3: Monk, you want the next Mike McDaniel.

2527
01:51:55,479 --> 01:51:59,720
Speaker 4: Mike McDaniel, Sean McVay, uh, you know, Shannon whatever. I

2528
01:51:59,800 --> 01:52:03,400
Speaker 4: want one of these guys. And I trust that they

2529
01:52:03,479 --> 01:52:07,800
Speaker 4: have a network of people who identify these people. And

2530
01:52:07,920 --> 01:52:09,600
Speaker 4: I don't mean to be flippant, but it's not my

2531
01:52:09,800 --> 01:52:14,200
Speaker 4: job to know every single guy's sort of offensive philosophy

2532
01:52:14,360 --> 01:52:17,760
Speaker 4: and how he would best work with the Patriots. But

2533
01:52:17,920 --> 01:52:20,760
Speaker 4: that's what I think they need. They need an offensive guy,

2534
01:52:20,880 --> 01:52:23,960
Speaker 4: a new sort of a new age offensive guy to

2535
01:52:24,040 --> 01:52:26,799
Speaker 4: build with. That's that's what I would like. That's Ben Johnson.

2536
01:52:26,920 --> 01:52:30,320
Speaker 3: I mean Ben Johnson's how my frun game is similar

2537
01:52:30,479 --> 01:52:33,720
Speaker 3: to like the Shanahan McDaniel tree, where there's just a

2538
01:52:33,760 --> 01:52:36,000
Speaker 3: ton of moving parts right Like you got motion, you

2539
01:52:36,080 --> 01:52:38,920
Speaker 3: got guys bocking at different angles, you got all sorts

2540
01:52:38,920 --> 01:52:40,720
Speaker 3: of things going on. Then you got the play action

2541
01:52:40,880 --> 01:52:43,160
Speaker 3: off of it. Like he's made Jared Goff better than

2542
01:52:43,200 --> 01:52:45,439
Speaker 3: he was with the Rams, Like Jared Goff looks like

2543
01:52:45,479 --> 01:52:47,880
Speaker 3: a real top ten NFL quarterback right now.

2544
01:52:48,000 --> 01:52:49,920
Speaker 5: So he stood up at his kids play and said,

2545
01:52:49,960 --> 01:52:51,120
Speaker 5: watch my kids.

2546
01:52:51,720 --> 01:52:53,800
Speaker 4: My kid him You believe that?

2547
01:52:54,040 --> 01:52:55,600
Speaker 1: Well, I'm trying to see. Like the other one I

2548
01:52:55,600 --> 01:52:58,479
Speaker 1: didn't understand is at training camp or he stepped in

2549
01:52:58,520 --> 01:53:00,240
Speaker 1: front of a woman that says you can't come in,

2550
01:53:00,840 --> 01:53:01,320
Speaker 1: like why.

2551
01:53:02,000 --> 01:53:04,679
Speaker 4: Which probably meant that there was some like restricted area

2552
01:53:04,760 --> 01:53:07,120
Speaker 4: that they weren't Maybe maybe.

2553
01:53:06,920 --> 01:53:08,679
Speaker 3: This woman was like trying to get on the field

2554
01:53:08,800 --> 01:53:09,880
Speaker 3: or something like that, and he was.

2555
01:53:09,920 --> 01:53:13,280
Speaker 5: Like, my kid, dominate this play everyone here it comes boom.

2556
01:53:13,479 --> 01:53:16,960
Speaker 3: That would be Joe Judge, Like, no, he's really good

2557
01:53:17,360 --> 01:53:19,920
Speaker 3: at scheming up on offense and he's going to be

2558
01:53:20,040 --> 01:53:25,519
Speaker 3: a hot, hot commodity. Like that guy's getting the head

2559
01:53:25,560 --> 01:53:26,840
Speaker 3: coaching job as soon as he.

2560
01:53:26,840 --> 01:53:28,720
Speaker 4: Says I was surprised he didn't get one last year.

2561
01:53:28,800 --> 01:53:30,760
Speaker 3: I think he I think he thought he wasn't ready.

2562
01:53:30,880 --> 01:53:32,680
Speaker 3: I think he pulled a Demico, Ryans.

2563
01:53:32,600 --> 01:53:35,519
Speaker 1: Ben and Brooklyn. Any insight on Barmore being a non

2564
01:53:35,640 --> 01:53:38,799
Speaker 1: factor is he hurt? Has Evans film reviews shown teams

2565
01:53:38,840 --> 01:53:39,800
Speaker 1: paying more attention to.

2566
01:53:40,640 --> 01:53:42,439
Speaker 3: I don't think he's been a non factor. I thought

2567
01:53:42,439 --> 01:53:45,120
Speaker 3: he was great against the Jets. He has been hurt,

2568
01:53:45,439 --> 01:53:48,040
Speaker 3: not as as good last week, but you know, I

2569
01:53:48,120 --> 01:53:50,320
Speaker 3: thought he was really really impactful against the Jets. He

2570
01:53:50,360 --> 01:53:53,639
Speaker 3: had seven pressures, played a little bit more over the nose,

2571
01:53:53,720 --> 01:53:56,040
Speaker 3: like the center and in a gaps things like that

2572
01:53:56,080 --> 01:53:59,080
Speaker 3: because Godshaw got hurt. I think he's been really good

2573
01:53:59,080 --> 01:54:02,599
Speaker 3: and he doesn't have the like quick twitch pass rush

2574
01:54:02,680 --> 01:54:04,719
Speaker 3: moves like he did as a rookie since these injuries

2575
01:54:04,760 --> 01:54:07,120
Speaker 3: have started to pile up, but he's figured it out

2576
01:54:07,160 --> 01:54:09,439
Speaker 3: how to you know, use his strength and in upper

2577
01:54:09,479 --> 01:54:11,280
Speaker 3: body power and things like that. Instead.

2578
01:54:11,400 --> 01:54:12,920
Speaker 4: I think Mike and I have to take the blame

2579
01:54:13,000 --> 01:54:13,360
Speaker 4: on this one.

2580
01:54:13,400 --> 01:54:15,200
Speaker 3: I think you and I kind of you called them

2581
01:54:15,200 --> 01:54:16,599
Speaker 3: Adam Butler and people got upset.

2582
01:54:16,760 --> 01:54:18,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, Oh no, no, no, that would be on the

2583
01:54:18,720 --> 01:54:20,479
Speaker 4: lower end. I think you and I are guilty of

2584
01:54:20,960 --> 01:54:24,000
Speaker 4: raising expectations to a level that probably weren't fair. I

2585
01:54:24,080 --> 01:54:25,960
Speaker 4: think you and I thought he was going to be

2586
01:54:26,560 --> 01:54:28,560
Speaker 4: the kind of player that Evan just described that he's not.

2587
01:54:28,720 --> 01:54:31,320
Speaker 4: I thought he's gonna be a quick twitch like ability

2588
01:54:31,400 --> 01:54:34,480
Speaker 4: to cause havoc from the inside. I think he was

2589
01:54:34,520 --> 01:54:36,920
Speaker 4: Aaron Donald light yeah, you know, and I don't.

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01:54:36,720 --> 01:54:38,680
Speaker 1: Think he has I don't think that's heavy.

2591
01:54:38,920 --> 01:54:42,080
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think he was a rookie, and then then

2592
01:54:42,080 --> 01:54:44,040
Speaker 3: the injuries piled up and he doesn't have that.

2593
01:54:44,160 --> 01:54:47,080
Speaker 4: I loved him. I was so excited about the draft pick,

2594
01:54:47,160 --> 01:54:51,880
Speaker 4: and I'm probably with the emailers. I feel your analysis aside.

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01:54:51,880 --> 01:54:54,560
Speaker 4: I'm not telling you you're wrong, but I've been disappointed

2596
01:54:54,560 --> 01:54:56,000
Speaker 4: because I haven't noticed him a ton.

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01:54:56,760 --> 01:54:59,800
Speaker 1: Ben also says about penalties other than the Juju penalty

2598
01:54:59,880 --> 01:55:03,200
Speaker 1: on I think that most of the Patriots penalties reflect talent.

2599
01:55:03,600 --> 01:55:07,400
Speaker 1: In other words, holds, offensive line, holds, false starts, and

2600
01:55:07,480 --> 01:55:10,600
Speaker 1: more about getting beat or fear thereof.

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01:55:11,520 --> 01:55:14,360
Speaker 4: That's an interesting way to look at it. Holds Definitely,

2602
01:55:14,520 --> 01:55:16,480
Speaker 4: if you get a lot of holding penalties, you're getting beaten.

2603
01:55:16,680 --> 01:55:18,240
Speaker 4: False start could be just you're not, but you can

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01:55:18,320 --> 01:55:19,920
Speaker 4: make it locked in, but you can make an argument

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01:55:19,960 --> 01:55:21,640
Speaker 4: for false start because you feel like you need that.

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01:55:21,760 --> 01:55:24,160
Speaker 4: You know, and we talked yesterday how good Trent Brown

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01:55:24,200 --> 01:55:27,560
Speaker 4: has been at that of anticipating and not being guilty

2608
01:55:27,600 --> 01:55:30,240
Speaker 4: of false starts, but probably feels like he needs that

2609
01:55:30,720 --> 01:55:32,800
Speaker 4: split second head start get out there.

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01:55:33,040 --> 01:55:35,400
Speaker 3: I wonder, you know. I don't know what's going on

2611
01:55:35,760 --> 01:55:38,000
Speaker 3: with on WINU. He's not on the injury report anymore.

2612
01:55:38,000 --> 01:55:40,280
Speaker 3: I don't think. I think they removed him. Yeah, and

2613
01:55:41,160 --> 01:55:43,360
Speaker 3: he doesn't look right though, he's not coming out of

2614
01:55:43,400 --> 01:55:45,560
Speaker 3: his stance the same way that he usually does, like

2615
01:55:45,680 --> 01:55:47,880
Speaker 3: he his achilles out.

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01:55:47,920 --> 01:55:50,960
Speaker 5: I mean, is that what happened like or what it

2617
01:55:51,080 --> 01:55:51,600
Speaker 5: actually was?

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01:55:51,720 --> 01:55:52,040
Speaker 3: I don't know.

2619
01:55:52,200 --> 01:55:55,400
Speaker 4: Re said ankle, which right, which doesn't necessarily like a

2620
01:55:55,480 --> 01:55:56,959
Speaker 4: lot of times if you see calf.

2621
01:55:57,840 --> 01:55:59,560
Speaker 1: That could be you could kill your achilles.

2622
01:56:00,000 --> 01:56:02,760
Speaker 3: I've heard they've done. They've done ankle for achilles tea

2623
01:56:02,840 --> 01:56:04,600
Speaker 3: like remember and Brady had the achilles injury.

2624
01:56:04,640 --> 01:56:07,800
Speaker 4: I think Aaron Rodgers, I think the originally announced ankle

2625
01:56:07,920 --> 01:56:09,640
Speaker 4: and I said that ain't an ankle. I I saw

2626
01:56:09,680 --> 01:56:12,240
Speaker 4: his foot, Yeah, but I said he's got an achilles

2627
01:56:13,800 --> 01:56:15,800
Speaker 4: and yeah, I mean you do wonder if it was

2628
01:56:15,840 --> 01:56:18,800
Speaker 4: something more significant, But if they if he had surgery

2629
01:56:18,920 --> 01:56:20,560
Speaker 4: to repair a torn achilles and.

2630
01:56:20,720 --> 01:56:23,400
Speaker 3: He would not be on the field, I wonder, you know,

2631
01:56:23,480 --> 01:56:25,280
Speaker 3: I just wonder what's going on with him because he

2632
01:56:25,400 --> 01:56:27,920
Speaker 3: you know, he is just not moving the off the

2633
01:56:28,000 --> 01:56:29,720
Speaker 3: ball the way that he normally does.

2634
01:56:30,240 --> 01:56:34,200
Speaker 1: So Trevor in Kansas City says, one, I really like

2635
01:56:34,280 --> 01:56:37,240
Speaker 1: the J. C. Jackson move. Low risk, high reward. Two.

2636
01:56:37,840 --> 01:56:39,720
Speaker 1: If the price to pay for seeing my team win

2637
01:56:39,840 --> 01:56:42,680
Speaker 1: six championships in my lifetime is dealing with a mediocre

2638
01:56:42,800 --> 01:56:46,000
Speaker 1: team while Bill finishes his career on his terms, then

2639
01:56:46,000 --> 01:56:48,880
Speaker 1: I'll happily pay that price. I still think we compete

2640
01:56:48,920 --> 01:56:50,320
Speaker 1: in most games the rest of the way.

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01:56:50,720 --> 01:56:53,920
Speaker 4: Okay, I could live with that the second part. The

2642
01:56:53,960 --> 01:56:55,760
Speaker 4: first part, I think it's low risk, low reward, But

2643
01:56:57,280 --> 01:56:59,680
Speaker 4: I don't think there's a scenario that is a high reward.

2644
01:57:00,320 --> 01:57:02,960
Speaker 5: Unless he has like eight interceptions or something crazy.

2645
01:57:03,880 --> 01:57:07,840
Speaker 3: But I mean, like ye that right, Like, Okay, so

2646
01:57:07,920 --> 01:57:10,640
Speaker 3: he's gonna get beat. We know that we've watched Jacy Jackson,

2647
01:57:10,680 --> 01:57:12,160
Speaker 3: we all have. We know he gets beat. You know,

2648
01:57:12,240 --> 01:57:15,240
Speaker 3: he's not gonna cover Stefan Diggs like a you know,

2649
01:57:15,360 --> 01:57:18,040
Speaker 3: Patrick Sir tan Wood or maybe Christian Gonzales would have,

2650
01:57:18,520 --> 01:57:22,000
Speaker 3: but like they have two turnovers in four games. Like,

2651
01:57:22,080 --> 01:57:24,160
Speaker 3: so if he comes in and he has five or

2652
01:57:24,240 --> 01:57:26,080
Speaker 3: six interceptions by the end of the year, like at

2653
01:57:26,160 --> 01:57:27,720
Speaker 3: least he's bringing something to the table.

2654
01:57:27,920 --> 01:57:30,000
Speaker 4: Some of them could come and they're starting to play

2655
01:57:30,640 --> 01:57:32,920
Speaker 4: teams that are gonna have their backups playing, so it

2656
01:57:33,000 --> 01:57:37,040
Speaker 4: could happen. Jared ain't gonna happen against Josh Allen.

2657
01:57:37,680 --> 01:57:40,320
Speaker 1: Jared and Virginia. Mack is not that good and I

2658
01:57:40,400 --> 01:57:42,640
Speaker 1: don't care. If you gave him Jerry Rice and Randy

2659
01:57:42,720 --> 01:57:45,240
Speaker 1: mosson the prime, Mack wouldn't be able to get the

2660
01:57:45,280 --> 01:57:47,840
Speaker 1: ball to them. He's a slight upgrade over Zappi, that's all.

2661
01:57:48,240 --> 01:57:50,440
Speaker 1: And all of us talk about the league surrounding young

2662
01:57:50,520 --> 01:57:53,400
Speaker 1: quarterbacks with talent to win. The problem is that if

2663
01:57:53,440 --> 01:57:55,720
Speaker 1: the goal is to actually win the Super Bowl, history

2664
01:57:55,800 --> 01:57:58,160
Speaker 1: tells you that, with the exception of Foles, all the

2665
01:57:58,200 --> 01:58:01,520
Speaker 1: Super Bowl winners in recent memory or QB by probable

2666
01:58:01,560 --> 01:58:04,720
Speaker 1: Hall of famers, a young quarterback surrounded by talent might

2667
01:58:04,800 --> 01:58:06,960
Speaker 1: make it to the game once, but they don't win.

2668
01:58:07,600 --> 01:58:10,839
Speaker 1: And then when they when they sign a huge contract,

2669
01:58:10,880 --> 01:58:13,600
Speaker 1: the team has to jettison players in the Magic falls apart.

2670
01:58:15,160 --> 01:58:16,360
Speaker 1: I've been critical of Bill.

2671
01:58:16,480 --> 01:58:18,360
Speaker 4: Just an example of that. But go ahead.

2672
01:58:18,560 --> 01:58:21,360
Speaker 3: Is Stafford a Hall of Famer? I think he is,

2673
01:58:21,400 --> 01:58:23,160
Speaker 3: but I don't think that they've he's a good player.

2674
01:58:23,200 --> 01:58:24,080
Speaker 3: I'm not saying he's bad.

2675
01:58:24,440 --> 01:58:26,240
Speaker 4: I think I think he's a borderline Hall of famer.

2676
01:58:26,320 --> 01:58:27,800
Speaker 4: I loved it, will tell you I loved it.

2677
01:58:27,920 --> 01:58:28,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a good player.

2678
01:58:28,840 --> 01:58:31,040
Speaker 1: I've been critical of Bill and his drafting in the past,

2679
01:58:31,080 --> 01:58:33,240
Speaker 1: but moving on from Bill, or stripping him of his

2680
01:58:33,320 --> 01:58:36,720
Speaker 1: authority so he leaves, would be a stupid mistake. Sorry, Fred.

2681
01:58:37,120 --> 01:58:39,320
Speaker 1: It would be like when Brady left and we were

2682
01:58:39,360 --> 01:58:42,320
Speaker 1: told it would be exciting, but guess what, it sucked.

2683
01:58:42,680 --> 01:58:44,600
Speaker 1: The same thing would happen if you run off your

2684
01:58:44,640 --> 01:58:46,800
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame coach, We'll just get worse than it

2685
01:58:46,880 --> 01:58:49,960
Speaker 1: is now. We need that guy at quarterback if we

2686
01:58:50,040 --> 01:58:52,000
Speaker 1: want to win it all. I've wanted us this tank

2687
01:58:52,080 --> 01:58:54,200
Speaker 1: since Brady left to be able to get that guy

2688
01:58:54,640 --> 01:58:58,320
Speaker 1: at quarterback. But the owner understandably has wanted to win. Now.

2689
01:58:59,040 --> 01:59:01,440
Speaker 1: That is the mistake that is causing all the problems,

2690
01:59:01,520 --> 01:59:04,160
Speaker 1: and we shouldn't double down on that mistake. We need

2691
01:59:04,280 --> 01:59:06,680
Speaker 1: to tank getting rid of Bill is not going to

2692
01:59:06,760 --> 01:59:07,120
Speaker 1: fix this.

2693
01:59:07,240 --> 01:59:08,960
Speaker 5: It's a loser mentality right there.

2694
01:59:10,080 --> 01:59:11,880
Speaker 4: Getting rid of Bill isn't going to fix this.

2695
01:59:12,280 --> 01:59:13,040
Speaker 1: That's what he says.

2696
01:59:14,160 --> 01:59:15,240
Speaker 4: That was all over the map.

2697
01:59:15,400 --> 01:59:18,520
Speaker 5: Just lose every game and then in like five years

2698
01:59:18,800 --> 01:59:19,400
Speaker 5: do I have to have.

2699
01:59:19,560 --> 01:59:22,560
Speaker 4: Tank tank one on one class again? How many times

2700
01:59:22,600 --> 01:59:22,800
Speaker 4: can I?

2701
01:59:23,040 --> 01:59:23,560
Speaker 5: I can't do this.

2702
01:59:23,800 --> 01:59:25,360
Speaker 3: I'm not talking to stop it.

2703
01:59:25,840 --> 01:59:26,240
Speaker 1: Stop it.

2704
01:59:28,280 --> 01:59:32,720
Speaker 4: You don't try to lose you Tank, see, I think

2705
01:59:32,800 --> 01:59:35,400
Speaker 4: you're in your book. You just don't activate guys like

2706
01:59:36,640 --> 01:59:41,040
Speaker 4: instead of letting Sean Wade, let's go right, what if

2707
01:59:41,080 --> 01:59:45,600
Speaker 4: Sean Wade is as good as J. C. Jackson? You

2708
01:59:45,640 --> 01:59:47,360
Speaker 4: don't know what you don't know? If jac Jackson has

2709
01:59:47,360 --> 01:59:48,520
Speaker 4: posted all these surgeries.

2710
01:59:49,080 --> 01:59:50,480
Speaker 3: I watched him play for two games.

2711
01:59:51,080 --> 01:59:53,000
Speaker 4: Well, evidently the Challengers thought he was so bad he

2712
01:59:53,040 --> 01:59:56,360
Speaker 4: wouldn't get couldn't get on the field, Sean way King,

2713
01:59:57,840 --> 01:59:59,320
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know what you've watched this year.

2714
01:59:59,320 --> 02:00:02,840
Speaker 4: He's played about how many snaps forty nine snaps.

2715
02:00:02,520 --> 02:00:05,880
Speaker 3: In four weeks eighty something in total. But who cares

2716
02:00:05,880 --> 02:00:06,839
Speaker 3: about the run defense?

2717
02:00:07,840 --> 02:00:08,919
Speaker 4: Certainly not the Patriots.

2718
02:00:09,320 --> 02:00:11,400
Speaker 3: No, we're not paying them to.

2719
02:00:11,600 --> 02:00:13,320
Speaker 4: I mean with the secondary, by the way, they run

2720
02:00:13,400 --> 02:00:15,040
Speaker 4: defense is fine up front, That's not.

2721
02:00:15,080 --> 02:00:18,760
Speaker 1: What I'm Another Christian says Fred. These receivers are the

2722
02:00:18,840 --> 02:00:21,640
Speaker 1: equivalent of PU crew running routes out there. They won't

2723
02:00:21,640 --> 02:00:23,920
Speaker 1: get open, they won't make a play after the ball.

2724
02:00:24,240 --> 02:00:27,280
Speaker 1: Why not trade for somebody that's available, like Judy. The

2725
02:00:27,360 --> 02:00:31,440
Speaker 1: Broncos are releasing players already. I bet he's available. Not

2726
02:00:31,600 --> 02:00:35,919
Speaker 1: saying he resolves all our problems. However, a lineup of Judy, Thornton, Demario,

2727
02:00:36,080 --> 02:00:38,959
Speaker 1: and Born is a lot better than the senior citizens

2728
02:00:39,000 --> 02:00:41,600
Speaker 1: we have out there. Now, go sign help on defense,

2729
02:00:41,720 --> 02:00:46,440
Speaker 1: on offense, and draft some next year. Stop neglecting the offense.

2730
02:00:46,840 --> 02:00:49,600
Speaker 3: I don't disagree with the last line of that, But

2731
02:00:50,240 --> 02:00:53,560
Speaker 3: like paying a sixth round pick swap for j C.

2732
02:00:53,760 --> 02:00:56,080
Speaker 3: Jackson to pick up a million bucks of his salary, Like,

2733
02:00:56,400 --> 02:00:58,520
Speaker 3: if they really wanted to trade for Jerry Judy and

2734
02:00:58,600 --> 02:01:00,840
Speaker 3: he becomes available, then that's not going to prohibit them

2735
02:01:00,880 --> 02:01:03,280
Speaker 3: from trading for Jerry Judy. No, I don't think they'd

2736
02:01:03,320 --> 02:01:04,200
Speaker 3: want to trade for Jerry.

2737
02:01:04,440 --> 02:01:06,560
Speaker 4: I would take the Jerry Judy move, sure, because I

2738
02:01:06,600 --> 02:01:09,320
Speaker 4: think you could do a similar kind of move, you know, swap,

2739
02:01:09,880 --> 02:01:12,160
Speaker 4: you know, probably not seventh and six round picks, but you.

2740
02:01:12,160 --> 02:01:15,040
Speaker 3: Could probably get it for they wanted a first in

2741
02:01:15,080 --> 02:01:15,480
Speaker 3: the off.

2742
02:01:15,720 --> 02:01:17,440
Speaker 4: There there's no way he's getting a first at the

2743
02:01:17,800 --> 02:01:18,480
Speaker 4: at the deadline.

2744
02:01:19,040 --> 02:01:23,120
Speaker 1: Oh, time flew. It's already passed two o'clock bridge showing

2745
02:01:23,160 --> 02:01:26,360
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Speaker 1: com to find a location near you. Uh, that's it

2749
02:01:36,560 --> 02:01:39,720
Speaker 1: for us for this Wednesday. Coming up is the playbook

2750
02:01:39,760 --> 02:01:42,560
Speaker 1: with John Rook. Still's stay tuned for that. I know

2751
02:01:42,680 --> 02:01:45,040
Speaker 1: we've got a lot of emails. He can get to

2752
02:01:45,120 --> 02:01:47,600
Speaker 1: the ones that I wasn't out I didn't get to

2753
02:01:47,760 --> 02:01:51,200
Speaker 1: and you can send your original ones to him. So

2754
02:01:51,240 --> 02:01:53,080
Speaker 1: it's John Rook next. We'll see you tomorrow.

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02:01:53,560 --> 02:01:57,360
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