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Speaker 2: That is right, Fox Sports Saturday with Kevin, Figures and

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Speaker 2: X got a big show lined up for you guys tonight,

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Speaker 2: Adam a little bit.

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Speaker 3: This is gonna be one of the good shows. Oh

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Speaker 3: I've said that before, did I lie? I mean, we

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Speaker 3: got a lot coming up this very hour. We'll give

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Speaker 3: you an update on the NBA MVP talk that really

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Speaker 3: producer Brandon started like two weeks ago here when he

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Speaker 3: threw his support behind Luka Doncic, who plays for his

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Speaker 3: favorite teams. So I mean, it didn't take a lot

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Speaker 3: for him to root for Luca being the guy. But

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Speaker 3: check out the big brain on Brandon Uh. Coming up

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Speaker 3: later this hour. One of my favorite beat him up

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Speaker 3: video games that I know you like to Kevin could

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Speaker 3: be getting a vamp, could be getting a little bit

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Speaker 3: of a makeover.

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Speaker 4: I like this or not?

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Speaker 3: Well, I know sometimes they don't work out, but you know,

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Speaker 3: most of the time, video game sequels actually are good,

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Speaker 3: unlike movies, and I do have to update you on

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Speaker 3: something I may have watched that in a Conda movie

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Speaker 3: we talked about three months ago, the.

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Speaker 2: One you trashed that you previewed during the geek News segment.

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Speaker 2: It said it was going to be horrible when we

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Speaker 2: played the trailer and it sounded terrible.

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Speaker 4: I watched the trailer. It looked terrible.

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Speaker 3: You know. Denny's versus denny'sn't during the day, doesn't look

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Speaker 3: so good at night, though, Denny's is looking all right

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Speaker 3: all of a sudden, and it's on It's on Netflix

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Speaker 3: for free.

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Speaker 4: In a conda Yeah, but how much time? What does

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Speaker 4: the time cost for me on this? How how long

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Speaker 3: I think it's an hour and a half.

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Speaker 4: Maybe time is money. I could do something better with

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Speaker 4: my ninety minutes than watch that.

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Speaker 3: The Snake is longer than the runtime here, Kevin, it's nothing. Honestly,

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Speaker 3: I'm halfway through because I can't finish a movie in

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Speaker 3: one night anymore. I just like to turn everything into

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Speaker 3: a mini series. I'll get through the rest of it tonight.

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Speaker 3: But so far, pretty funny, I have to say.

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Speaker 4: Honestly, I think I'll take you Paul rud Yeah, I

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Speaker 4: think I'll take your word for it on that one.

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Speaker 3: This is Steve zan or Zon. I've always wondered that

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Speaker 3: I'd never picked up on that. Coming up, second hour,

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Speaker 3: Annie McCullough, I know how to pronounce that. Learned it today,

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Speaker 3: Annie McCulla Not easy. Major League Baseball Rider has been

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Speaker 3: doing it in southern California for a long time. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: we'll talk about the Dodgers, but everything across the Major

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Speaker 3: League Baseball landscape. In the twenty twenty six year here, the.

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Speaker 2: Nb YEAH has released its anti tanking proposals that the

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Speaker 2: league is going to vote on. There's three of them,

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Speaker 2: all one more convoluted than the other. We'll talk about

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Speaker 2: those coming up a little bit later in the show

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Speaker 2: as well. And then an interesting question in the final

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Speaker 2: hour of the show amid the controversy between the legendary

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Speaker 2: George Gervin and I guess the legend in his own mind,

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Speaker 2: Caleb Williams, nickname the Iceman.

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Speaker 3: Come on, he had a great playoff game they almost

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Speaker 3: won against It was it was amazing, It was excellent.

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Speaker 2: And he's a he's a rising star in the NFL,

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Speaker 2: and I wish him nothing but success. But maybe he

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Speaker 2: might have overstepped on this one. Okay, we'll talk about

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Speaker 2: that and talk about some great sports nicknames throughout the

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Speaker 2: history of the sports landscape coming up in the final

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Speaker 3: All right, but I get white chocolate because you know

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Speaker 3: I'm I'm white, and.

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Speaker 4: Of course you know for me a former Sacramento king.

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Speaker 3: Great, So there you go before we trade him for

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Speaker 3: a much better player in point guard who was under

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Speaker 4: But we'll get into that, nick n Boby don't have

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Speaker 3: He got screwed. Okay, that was Lebron's fault. He was

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Speaker 3: on that team in twenty eleven that lost to Pages

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Speaker 3: Stoyakovic's team with the Dallas Mavericks. Shouldn't have happened. Biby

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Speaker 3: deserved better. All right, you guys do it too. Let's

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Speaker 2: So now that we fast forward in an additional weekend

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Speaker 2: at the Ncublea tournament that elite Elite eight is set.

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Speaker 4: So are you entertained yet, Adam?

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Speaker 2: Are you still gonna sit here and trash the NC

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm not.

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Speaker 3: Gonna take things that far. Maybe there was something to

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Speaker 3: you're gonna get great matchups later on. Is gonna make

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Speaker 3: up for it. I think some of that has happened.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Duke Saint John's, that was a great game.

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Speaker 2: Today, wasn't it Just because the favorite wins, or the

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Speaker 2: that still results in an entertaining and really good, well

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Speaker 2: was every bit as exciting.

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Speaker 4: But now they did.

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Speaker 2: But but just saying, but also now you find yourself,

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Speaker 4: Here and I and I talked about this last week.

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Speaker 2: You know, all of us get so excited about upsets,

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Speaker 3: So it's about George Mason. What are you talking about it?

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Speaker 4: I mean, yes, if I'm to be honest with the

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Speaker 3: Like that, a hundred rip sister Jean stealing the spotlight

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Speaker 2: I feel like that sort of thing happens in the

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Speaker 4: Is this about Aaron Craft?

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Speaker 2: This is not about Aaron Kraft, who played at Ohiouse

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Speaker 3: We have a long history of going after Aaron Kraft

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Speaker 3: on this show we I think that's more like you.

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Speaker 2: And Adam clearly has something against white point guards, and

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Speaker 5: What it is.

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Speaker 3: So I just said my maybe, Okay, wait a second, No,

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Speaker 3: he's he's not he's uh, he's mixed cost.

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Speaker 4: Yes he is.

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Speaker 3: Jason Williams wish he was. Uh. I have nothing against

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Speaker 4: How dare you? I'm just saying that's not what it

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Speaker 3: Was it me or Bree who once said, like, you know,

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Speaker 3: I thought Aaron Kraft was really gonna be something in

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Speaker 4: It's so funny. Okay, Anyways, I'm gonna.

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Speaker 3: Say it was Brie because she's not here to defend herself.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, Aaron Kraft is taking a lot of flak,

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Speaker 3: and there's guys like that who eventually end up, you know,

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Speaker 2: Honest, day's work at them. You know, everybody's a good

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Speaker 6: We know that.

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Speaker 3: No, there's four hundred and fifty players in the NBA,

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Speaker 2: Well, maybe that number will go up if and when

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Speaker 2: It's not gonna be you know, George Mason. Maybe it's

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Speaker 4: Such as, the dynamic has completely changed.

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Speaker 2: So there are always has and have nots as far

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Speaker 2: think Cinderella is just gonna end up looking a little

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Speaker 3: So you're say in the middle class is thriving. It's

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Speaker 3: the elite of the elite, the one percent, and then

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Speaker 3: like you know, the ten percent or the fifteen percent.

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Speaker 3: I say that, how would you put that?

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Speaker 4: Yeah you can say that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, get Aaron Torres back in here. How would you

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Speaker 3: put that? I've just what college basketball has changed so much.

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Speaker 3: I was about to get very upset college portion in

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Speaker 3: general if Duke had lost today, though, Kevin, because.

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Speaker 2: It will destroy your bracket, or I mean, well it

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Speaker 2: is about me? That was literally all we care about

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Speaker 2: is how I had his bracket is looking I.

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Speaker 3: Got Duke beating Arizona. You have Arizona beating Duke, so

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Speaker 3: at first. He was like, I got him as good

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Speaker 2: Boys, But considering Duke is the top overall seed, you

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Speaker 4: On Friday night.

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Speaker 3: That was my methodology of how I did the bracket

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Speaker 3: Okay, so far, so good. What is the sixty four

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Speaker 4: I think that's total points that you had coming into

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Speaker 2: Excuse me if I end up if Arizona ends up

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Speaker 2: So I'm actually feeling pretty damn good about where I

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Speaker 4: I have three of the one seeds still in it.

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Speaker 4: Were in the Arizona garb. All right, I got gum on.

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Speaker 3: because it's still heavily weighted. Right, It's not just you

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Speaker 4: Correct, that's how it works. I hate that, of course

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Speaker 2: There'd be a groundswell of support around them as an

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Speaker 3: Okay, so would you put it like this, we're out

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Speaker 4: I think they'll have a better chance to I don't

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Speaker 3: Know when it comes on that front, Hey, doubting Thomas,

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Speaker 4: Is that better?

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Speaker 3: Ratings wise? I don't know what ratings Rogan has reported

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Speaker 7: The next round of the tournament?

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Speaker 4: The results were in for the first weekend last weekend.

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Speaker 2: I haven't seen anything obviously from these past couple of days,

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Speaker 3: That's what always reminds me, Oh, it's the March madness.

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Speaker 2: It turns out, Yeah, you know, you end up walking

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Speaker 3: Angels on? You know, not a bad spit off. Actually,

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Speaker 3: if you're at Buffy the Vampire Slayer in those Josh Whedon. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Because if VCU jumps up and has, you know, a

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Speaker 2: And it's not because those players don't have a love

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Speaker 3: Big bank take a little bank every time.

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Speaker 4: That's how it works.

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Speaker 2: It is exceedingly rare that kids will turn down more

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Speaker 3: Are they picking off Doug Gottlieb's best players. Are they

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm just there's a question.

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Speaker 2: Yes, do, whether it's Doug's team specifically at Green Bay

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Speaker 3: Here's here's a good question. Do you still need some

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Speaker 2: Well, if Arkansas actually had some big old as you

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Speaker 4: Exactly, Oh, big country, let's go my man.

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Speaker 4: We look at the ELITEA though used to the problem

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Speaker 2: We don't have all these upsets because now look at

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Speaker 3: Okay, I still feel like I did the right thing.

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Speaker 3: Because earlier tonight I thought I saw my demise and

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Speaker 3: The Clippers got down twenty four to Indiana, while at

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Speaker 4: I've that Clipper game man for you. Oh it was beautiful, Kevin.

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Speaker 3: That's what Kawhi Leonard said postgame and different wording.

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Speaker 2: But now my man missed those free throws intentionally, so

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Speaker 4: You can get a better draft pick, or like, what

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Speaker 3: Okay, Jay Huff is here man, because he was a

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Speaker 3: I've debunked it. Now even a dumb ass like me

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Speaker 3: He's trying to win. So then why would he be

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Speaker 3: missing free throws intentionally afterwards since the whole point of

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Speaker 3: flopping was to get to the line to try to

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Speaker 3: win it. And also he's not exactly secure in his

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Speaker 3: position with the Indiana Pacers or in the league in general.

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Speaker 3: I feel bad for him, honestly. Nico Batoum came over

447
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Speaker 3: and consoled him afterwards and shout.

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Speaker 4: Out worse than a team that won the team that

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Speaker 4: beat you, And a guy goes, hey, man, I'm sorry, man,

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Speaker 4: I feel bad for you.

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Speaker 7: Bro.

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Speaker 4: Get your hands off me talking about he had.

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Speaker 3: His hands on his face, Kevin, he didn't just miss,

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Speaker 3: I mean.

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Speaker 4: These are epic missing.

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Speaker 3: He huffed it up like he missed so long on

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Speaker 3: those free throws. And you could just see there was

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Speaker 3: a lack of confidence on the second one.

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Speaker 2: All right, So that'll wrap up our Clippers conversation. Now

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Speaker 2: we'll talk about the teams that actually matter and players

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Speaker 2: that matter here. Coming up with the next segment of

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Speaker 2: f A on FSR, the NBA MVP race very time

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Speaker 2: we've talked about it. As Adam mentioned on this show

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Speaker 2: in the past couple of weeks, it's getting tighter and tighter.

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Speaker 2: And the person who was not one of the front

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Speaker 2: runners actually came out in a plant his case earlier

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Speaker 2: this week.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll talk about that coming up next.

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Speaker 3: up in the very next segment involving one of our

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Speaker 3: favorite beat them up games of all time and if

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Speaker 3: it's going to get a re release or rebranding or reimagining.

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Speaker 3: You know they do these things. Everything old is new again.

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Speaker 4: Including us are we?

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Speaker 3: I'm feeling fresh as a daisy, Kevin old but new?

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Speaker 4: Okay, whatever, it's a new episode of f and A.

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Speaker 2: Let's go, so as we wind down the last ten

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Speaker 2: eleven games depending on the team. Here in the NBA

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Speaker 2: regular season, of course, the MVP debate has come up.

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Speaker 2: We've talked about it on our show the last couple

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Speaker 2: of weeks. Last week we talked about the fact that

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Speaker 2: shake Yilders Alexander had the gap closed on him a

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Speaker 2: little bit by Luka Dancik, who has let the Lakers

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Speaker 2: on a spectacular run this last month or so, and

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Speaker 2: so those two guys not neck and neck. Shay is

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Speaker 2: still the overwhelming favorite to be the league MVP, but

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Speaker 2: Luka Doncik had jumped a couple of players, including nicolea

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Speaker 2: Jokicchen Victor Winbanyama to be second in the running, and

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Speaker 2: that didn't sit well with Victor.

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Speaker 4: Wimbanyama spoke about.

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Speaker 2: It earlier this week, and he was actually backed up

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Speaker 2: by it with Draymond Green, who said, basically, defense is

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Speaker 2: half of the sport and for whatever reason, that gets

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Speaker 2: overshadowed when you talk about the MVP award, and you

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Speaker 2: know how important it is because usually how this usually

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Speaker 2: works at him is like if you're the leagu's leading

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Speaker 2: scorer and you're playing for the team that has the

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Speaker 2: first or second best record, you're generally considered to be

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Speaker 2: the front runner or one of the top front runners

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Speaker 2: for the MVP Award, which is kind of the situation

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Speaker 2: for Shi Yogess. Alexander. Luka Doncik nowhere near the defensive impact.

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Speaker 2: Nobody's the defensive impact as Wimby, but obviously he's on

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Speaker 2: this giant heater of scoring thirty and forty plus points

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Speaker 2: and that has put him back on the radar.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 3: I think the reason I was so adamant that Luka

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Speaker 3: Doncic couldn't win, it wasn't so much about he wouldn't

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Speaker 3: be in the running. He was top five a few

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Speaker 3: weeks ago when producer Brandon first brought up his name.

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Speaker 4: But he jumped from top five to number two.

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Speaker 3: He's be went hot because the Lakers were the hottest

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Speaker 3: team in the NBA, and he's doing some historic things

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Speaker 3: out there scoring wise, and looks like maybe the best

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Speaker 3: version of himself as we've seen in the regular season.

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Speaker 3: But I will say this, I think there's an easy

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Speaker 3: way to look at some of these numbers, because Brandon

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Speaker 3: was talking about without Luka Doncicic, you know this team,

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Speaker 3: they're winning twenty games or whatever.

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Speaker 4: Something like that.

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Speaker 3: I think that's what Brandon said.

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Speaker 2: It was essentially the subtraction theory. Mean, Brandon can speak

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Speaker 2: for himself, but yeah, subtraction theory. If he's not there,

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Speaker 2: what are they doing?

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Speaker 3: Oh wait, Brand's got the microphone here, Brandon, Did I

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Speaker 3: misinterpret what you said? Did I mischaracterize anything?

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Speaker 6: No, That's exactly why he should win MVP. It just

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Speaker 6: seems like the league just doesn't like him because of

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Speaker 6: the complaining and stuff.

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Speaker 4: By the way, Brandon also make the claim that Kawhi Leonard,

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Speaker 4: your guy should be in the race for that exact

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Speaker 4: same reason.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's why Brandon isn't a stude observer and ball

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Speaker 3: guy knows ball. But in this case, Brandon also said

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Speaker 3: without SGA, the thunder are still where'd you put them?

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Speaker 3: Top six?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: I would, Well, I don't know about Yeah. Maybe I

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Speaker 6: mean Aaron Wiggins there, ninth man. He can put up

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Speaker 6: forty in any given night if you want him to.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, So I was looking over some of the

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Speaker 3: numbers here and I don't want to debunk too much,

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Speaker 3: but wait, yeah I do. So if you look at

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Speaker 3: on off splits with players, uh, it's pretty notable, and

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Speaker 3: the advanced stats make I think this argument about MVP

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Speaker 3: much easier because you can see what the offensive rating

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Speaker 3: is or defensive rating is when this player is on

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Speaker 3: the court versus off the court, and you can really

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Speaker 3: see impact that way. So with the Lakers and Luka Dancic,

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Speaker 3: they have an offense rating of one nineteen point three

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Speaker 3: with him, oh you can count good for you without

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Speaker 3: him just one to eleven. They go from really good

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Speaker 3: offense to bottom five type of offense in the league.

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Speaker 3: So there's a difference of seven point six there. Defensively,

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Speaker 3: with him on the court, they have a defensive rating

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Speaker 3: of one to fifteen point six off the court one

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Speaker 3: fourteen point three. So they're slightly worse with him on

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Speaker 3: the floor, not drastically worse, because I mean they're bad

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Speaker 3: to begin with. If you're defensive rating without him is

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Speaker 3: one fourteen. It's just they're not great. Here's the argument

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Speaker 3: for shake Gildess Alexander, for everyone saying, well, okay, she

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Speaker 3: could be doing this without him?

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Speaker 4: Could they? On defense?

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Speaker 3: They could? They almost have the exact same defensive rating

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Speaker 3: of one oh five point nine, which is like historically great.

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Speaker 3: They basically have a one oh five defensive rating with

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Speaker 3: or without him on the floor, But offensively it's much different.

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Speaker 3: With shake Gildess Alexander on the floor, the OKC thunder

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Speaker 3: have an offensive rating of almost one twenty one. Without him,

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Speaker 3: it's won ten, a difference of ten points per one

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Speaker 3: hundred possessions. There's a much greater difference when he's on

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Speaker 3: and off the floor overall impact wise, both offensively and defensively,

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Speaker 3: then there is with Luka Dancic. Now, Kevin, you could say, well,

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Speaker 3: wait a second, what about Nikola Jokish. Don't you have

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Speaker 3: the biggest on off swings with Jokic out there? And

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Speaker 3: this is true, and it's been like that for years,

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Speaker 3: which is why he's always been the analytics darling. With

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Speaker 3: Jokic on the floor, Denver has a one to twenty

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Speaker 3: five offensive rating. Without him it's one twelve, a difference

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Speaker 3: of thirteen and a half. Basically, their defense is basically

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Speaker 3: the same with or without him, so it's a huge swing.

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Speaker 3: But then you mentioned mentioned Victor women Yama.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to hear the numbers on him.

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Speaker 2: That's the one I want to hear because he's for

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Speaker 2: whatever reason, has been I can't say lost in the

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Speaker 2: shuffle because he's third, but he's a third. He's in

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Speaker 2: third place behind Luka Donciget. Most sportsbooks for the MVP race,

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Speaker 2: and I don't understand it. I have some numbers, but

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you can dive deeper into them, So go ahead.

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Speaker 3: So with Luka Sga and Nikola Jokic, their teams are

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Speaker 3: basically the same defensively with or without them. It's what

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Speaker 3: they do for them offensively, and it goes with Luca

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Speaker 3: making them about seven points better offensively out there, Shay

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Speaker 3: making them ten points better offensively, and then Joki is

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Speaker 3: about thirteen points better offensively, but defensively they don't have

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Speaker 3: that impact. Well, Victor Vienyama on the offensive side still

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Speaker 3: makes them six points better. They have an offensive rating

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Speaker 3: of one twenty with him out there, an offensive rating

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Speaker 3: of one thirteen without him. But defensively they go from

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Speaker 3: an offense or defensive rating of one fourteen with him

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Speaker 3: off the floor to a defensive rating of one h

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Speaker 3: three with him on the floor, meaning they only give

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Speaker 3: up one hundred and three points per one hundred possessions.

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Speaker 3: Most games are about one hundred possessions. They become absolutely

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Speaker 3: elite when he's out there, and when he's not, they're

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Speaker 3: like a bottom ten defense. Yeah, they suck. That's the

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Speaker 3: biggest swing. His net rating is seventeen point seven. Jokic's

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Speaker 3: thirteen point nine. Luka Doncic, it's about six, Shay's about ten.

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Speaker 3: That's one way. That's a big way I would evaluate

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Speaker 3: this because everybody.

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Speaker 4: Always likes to make that argument.

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Speaker 3: In the past, maybe it was more valid to just

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Speaker 3: go off the eye test, but now we have all

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Speaker 3: this sample side from the entire season with on off

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Speaker 3: splits to judge players and their impact when they're on

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Speaker 3: the floor versus off.

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Speaker 2: I would even say even if we're this situation, even

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Speaker 2: if it were just the eye test, Victor Wimbinyama is

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Speaker 2: the defense into himself. He can defend four players at

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Speaker 2: once just based on his length and athleticism and how

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Speaker 2: quick he can move, and because of his offensive prowess

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Speaker 2: in a pick and roll, he gets so many just

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Speaker 2: generates so many open shots for his teammates.

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Speaker 9: I heard.

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Speaker 4: I believe it was Jason Simp.

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Speaker 2: Who does a good job as an animal for the NBA,

653
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Speaker 2: said that the San Antonio Spurs get more corner threes

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Speaker 2: than any other team of the NBA, and that is

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Speaker 2: directly because of Victor Wombyama and his presence offensively.

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Speaker 4: So if you're generating open looks for your.

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Speaker 2: Team offensively, despite the fact that he's averaging twenty five

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Speaker 2: and a half point or twenty four and a half

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Speaker 2: points himself, that which gets lost People act like Victor

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00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 2: Wimbanyamba is great defensively and just some average offensive player.

661
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 4: He's averaged twenty four to eleven three blocks in three steals.

662
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Speaker 2: Yeah, which if he finishes that with those averages, he'd

663
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 2: be one of six players who's ever done that in

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Speaker 2: the history of the sport.

665
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Speaker 3: Well, and the Spurs have the second best record in

666
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 3: the league with a ton of young talent. It's not

667
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 3: just him, it's Dylan Harper, Devin Bussell, and Keldon Johnson

668
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 3: are still young. Yes, Tieron Fox is smack dab in

669
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Speaker 3: his prime at the age of twenty eight, but they

670
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 3: are so far ahead of schedule, and it's because of

671
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Speaker 3: what he does defensively, because they go from a bottom

672
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 3: ten type of defense to the best defense in the

673
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 3: league when he's out there on the floor. And that's

674
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Speaker 3: really the only question him. How many minutes can he

675
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Speaker 3: play and his injury issues, and we knew that when

676
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 3: he was coming into the league, but the blood clot

677
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 3: last year, that was unexpected, of course. But for the

678
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Speaker 3: most part, obviously he's healthy enough to be eligible to

679
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 3: win the MVP this season.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And to be honest with you, I think he should.

681
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 2: And Shay is great, and Shay's amazing, and look especially,

682
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Speaker 2: I think the debate goes away. Look a look at

683
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 2: the advanced analytics to on off splits and all that stuff.

684
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Speaker 2: If san Antonio continues on this heater and ends up

685
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Speaker 2: surpassing Oklahoma City and gets the best record in the

686
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Speaker 2: NBA at the end of the regular season, knowing how

687
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 2: they worked over OKAC in their regular season matchups earlier

688
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Speaker 2: this year, I think it's a done deal. I gotta

689
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Speaker 2: give it to Wimby, and I might give it to

690
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Speaker 2: Winmby anyway, to be honest with you, even if things

691
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Speaker 2: were to state the way that they are and san

692
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Speaker 2: Antonio finishes number two behind Oka. See but if Wimby

693
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Speaker 2: ends up leaving san Antonio to the to the best

694
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Speaker 2: record in the NBA, knowing the success they had head

695
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Speaker 2: to head against Oklahoma City earlier this year when everybody

696
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Speaker 2: was healthy I'm given it to I'm giving it to

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Speaker 2: to Wimby.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't argue against it because the data is there,

699
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 3: the eye tests is there. It's easy to say this

700
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 3: is the most impactful player in the NBA overall when

701
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Speaker 3: you take everything into account, and that's to me what

702
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 3: it should be about. I don't like penalizing SGA because

703
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 3: they're team's good without him, because defensively they're still really

704
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 3: good whether or not he's on the floor, but they're different,

705
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 3: a completely different team offensively with him, and they have

706
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Speaker 3: no chance of winning without him. Victor's like that on steroids. Yeah,

707
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 3: but it flips. They're completely different defensively, they're okay offensively,

708
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Speaker 3: but they're still better with him offensively. He's a really

709
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Speaker 3: good offensive player.

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Speaker 4: They're a great offensive player who's still ascending.

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Speaker 3: He does only average twenty nine minutes per game still,

712
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 3: which that goes against him. Now, it still speaks to

713
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Speaker 3: those being that outrageous when he's only playing twenty nine

714
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 3: per game, But yeah, Adam.

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Speaker 4: That's the thing that helps him.

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Speaker 2: Look, he's only playing twenty nine minutes and he's still

717
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Speaker 2: putting up these numbers.

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Speaker 3: Well, the availability argument that people like to make and

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Speaker 3: I don't love it.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes you make the sixty five game threshold, you're available

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Speaker 2: enough to be able to eligible to win.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's the way I look at it.

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Speaker 3: He's basically got to play out because he's at fifty

724
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Speaker 3: eight games right now.

725
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Speaker 4: Right and which, by the way, most of these guys,

726
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Speaker 4: most of these guys do.

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Speaker 3: And Adam Silver's point, we'll get into it a little

728
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Speaker 3: bit later, but he thinks the sixty five game rule

729
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 3: is working. I have a little bit of pushback against that,

730
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 3: but yeah, SGA is close, Nikola Jokic is close, Luka, Doncic,

731
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Speaker 3: Brandon How many games left can he miss? Could he

732
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Speaker 3: miss the rest of them and still be eligible?

733
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Speaker 4: He missed four. I believe he can miss.

734
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Speaker 2: He's gonna miss one because he got another technical on

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Speaker 2: Friday night.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, he can miss I think three or four. But

737
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Speaker 10: he has to play most of the games.

738
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Speaker 6: He was going to not play tonight, but then he

739
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 6: saw himself fall the fifth in the in the NBA.

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Speaker 4: Oh, it's like MVP powering. Yeah.

741
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Speaker 6: I mean, he had some hamstring thing he was dealing with,

742
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Speaker 6: and he was like cool, just dropped forty three or

743
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Speaker 6: forty one on Brooklyn.

744
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 3: Light work from Luca Doncics. Oh maybe he saw Brooklyn

745
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 3: was on the schedule tonight. Here you realize I'll probably

746
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 3: only have to play twenty five minutes.

747
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Speaker 4: In this game. It was funny.

748
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 2: After the game, he says something to the effect of,

749
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,479
Speaker 2: you know, I keep playing my best and you got

750
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 2: to keep falling down to the MVP standings.

751
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Speaker 4: I don't know how that works. I don't know what

752
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 4: I have to do.

753
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 3: I'll tell you this. I like the fact that Wemby

754
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 3: campaign for himself, that lucas aware of it, that they're

755
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 3: all maybe not standings watch, but MVP ladder watch is

756
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 3: going on between the guys at the.

757
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 2: Top that respect the fact that they're saying that they

758
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 2: acknowledge it because most of the time, you know, oh,

759
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 2: I don't look at any of that stuff. I just

760
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 2: want my team to go out there and play hard

761
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 2: and do whatever.

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00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: It's like.

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Speaker 4: No, man, I'm the MVP, and damn it, here's why

764
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Speaker 4: I love it.

765
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Speaker 3: I want more of that.

766
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Speaker 4: Victor backed it all up.

767
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 3: He is, like what he said in that press conference,

768
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 3: he is ridiculously smart smart, that's right. How many language

769
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 3: does he speak? I mean, he speaks the language of

770
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 3: basketball beautifully out there, and he's changing the game. And

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Speaker 3: I think the only reason maybe he doesn't is because

772
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 3: people are going to say Kevin that he'll get his eventually,

773
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 3: and that's wrong.

774
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 4: I hate that so much.

775
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 3: It's stupid.

776
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 4: It makes no sense to me. It never has.

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Speaker 3: It's the twenty five, twenty six MVP Most Valuable Player

778
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 3: in the NBA. Do it for this season. That's how

779
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 3: it should be. Sga was deserving last year. You could

780
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 3: have gone Jokic.

781
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:22,720
Speaker 4: Also.

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00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 3: I think there's multiple guys here who are deserving. Sure,

783
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 3: but if you said Sga, Wemby, Jokich, Luca or the

784
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 3: Big four, yeah, I'm all with that, and I wouldn't

785
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 3: hate if one of them won over the other, honestly,

786
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 3: because they're all so good. They're very close in the

787
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 3: same tier. Is the point. It can be a little

788
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,240
Speaker 3: bit about, you know, what you favor with your basketball.

789
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 3: Because as much as people hate on Luka Dancic and

790
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 3: they say, well, that quote of defense is half the game,

791
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 3: they're ignoring the fact that he is the offensive system

792
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 3: and the playmaker out there. He's two players in one.

793
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 3: You know, some guys are just more of scores, like KD.

794
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,919
Speaker 3: But they're not the facilitators. Luca's doing everything. So even

795
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 3: though yes, the defense, he's not necessarily known for that,

796
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 3: even though it's been better this season, all the numbers

797
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 3: will tell you that, like, there is more to his

798
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 3: game there that has to be realized.

799
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 4: All right, what's coming up next in geek news, Adam.

800
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 3: Oh, we got it for you. Beat him up games

801
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:27,240
Speaker 3: probably my favorite category and one of our favorites. Maybe

802
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 3: getting that facelift and there could be something f and

803
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 3: ugly underneath. I think that's the line from the movie

804
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 3: I'm thinking of. You're real bleeping ugly. Don't clip that,

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Speaker 5: This stuff will make you a damn sexual Tyrannosaurce just

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Speaker 2: Not to jump the gun there on you Adam today

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Speaker 2: on FSR Here on Fox Sports Radio.

812
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 4: Coming up in about ten minutes or so.

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00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:14,160
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816
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,440
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817
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,320
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00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 2: from The Athletic talking Major League Baseball coming up at

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Speaker 4: and D tonight? You want to come.

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Speaker 6: Just keep it pow Clust was kenneln so a lot

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Speaker 6: of our.

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Speaker 3: Favorite beat him up games of the beat him up genre,

835
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 3: And if you don't know what that is, it means

836
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 3: it's a brawler. It's a side scroller. You move along,

837
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 3: you beat the hell out of enemies. And maybe you

838
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 3: had a six player X Men machine in your neighborhood. Yeah,

839
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 3: and Magneto said welcome to die because it was a

840
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 3: bad translation there. Or maybe you love Double Dragon as

841
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 3: a kid or Ninja Turtles the Arcade game it was

842
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 3: four player. The Simpsons game also by Konami, Beat Him

843
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 3: Up where Marge has vacuum cleaner.

844
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 4: Now that's sexist. I was partial to March. I don't know,

845
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 4: but she had great range, which is why I played

846
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 4: with her all the time.

847
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 3: See, I just had to be barred because of the

848
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 3: skateboard out there. Yeah, but I get it.

849
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 4: Homer was the worst. Homer just had his punches, you know,

850
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 4: so much.

851
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 3: As Mike Tyson once, or at least the fact that

852
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 3: he could rub adelpe him and get hitting the head

853
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 3: a lot.

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00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 2: Well, Drederick Tatum was Mike Tyson. I think Lucius Sweet

855
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 2: was the name of the guy who was supposed to

856
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 2: be Don King.

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00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 9: It was.

858
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 4: That was a great episode.

859
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 3: Only in America, Yeah, only on the Simpsons. So these

860
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 3: games eventually got ported, a lot of them, Like we

861
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 3: got Final Fight on the s NES. Streets of Rage

862
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 3: was its own thing. That was a Sega exclusive. It

863
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 3: was it was our final fight and it was better

864
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 3: than Final Fight. But there were some games that never

865
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 3: made it over and one of the games that I

866
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 3: always thought should have and it made no sense to

867
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 3: me was AVP Alien Versus Predator. Now this came out

868
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 3: late by Capcom in like nineteen ninety five ish. It

869
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 3: was one of the later beat them up games out

870
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 3: of all the ones we mentioned, and I think it

871
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 3: was much more advanced in some ways, Kevin, with the

872
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 3: power ups, with the moves you could have out there.

873
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,760
Speaker 3: I loved being the arnold guy because he always sounded

874
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 3: like he was saying fu fu when you were doing

875
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 3: this like dash move with him?

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Speaker 4: Are you sure he was? And by the way, the

877
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Speaker 4: line I was.

878
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 3: Looking for earlier was you were a one ugly mother.

879
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 4: From Predator.

880
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 2: There is no And if I remember correctly, the Alien

881
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 2: versus Predator, the humans and the predators team up to

882
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:19,280
Speaker 2: face the aliens.

883
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 3: Right, there was a warrior alien and a hunter alien.

884
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 3: So four different characters you could choose from, including a

885
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 3: girl with a pistol. I don't know who she was.

886
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 3: She was kind of hot in the anime way.

887
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 4: Of course.

888
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 3: I don't think she was Sigourney Weaver, I'll tell you

889
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,439
Speaker 3: that much. She didn't have a Flamethrower. But the game

890
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 3: was excellent, and I think it was only three players,

891
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 3: even though there were four different characters. But that's fine.

892
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 3: And I was wondering if this was ever going to

893
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 3: come out, and eventually Snees got one. But it was

894
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 3: like a platformer. It wasn't to beat him up. It

895
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 3: didn't feel anything like this. It was single player. It

896
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 3: was garbage. Yeah, it was what we all wanted and

897
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 3: we're clamoring for for years. So recently a concept art

898
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 3: guy game developer released some of his dismissed concept art

899
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 3: from a possible Alien versus Predator game that was going

900
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 3: to be a remake of the one we've been talking

901
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 3: about here that was supposed to be touched up with

902
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 3: modern graphics or you know, like they have the Shreddit's

903
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 3: Revenge Turtles game. But it still looks old school. That's

904
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 3: cool Street to Rage four. It still looks kind of

905
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 3: old school, but it's also modern. You can download it

906
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 3: on your Wii or whatever they are today, the Switch.

907
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 3: They were gonna do this with the Alien Versus Predator

908
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 3: and for whatever reason, it came out around the time

909
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 3: of the movie Prey, the second to last Predator movie

910
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty two, and maybe it didn't do well enough,

911
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,240
Speaker 3: or they didn't have the money because of COVID or something.

912
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 3: Prey went straight to video, but it didn't end up

913
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 3: coming to life. But you can see some of the

914
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 3: concept art that is out there for this ill fated

915
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 3: game that I guess is never going to be released.

916
00:40:58,560 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 4: Now, I'm all for it.

917
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 2: I was a big fan of AVP, So let's get

918
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,399
Speaker 2: into it. How about the Major League Baseball talk? Coming

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00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,760
Speaker 2: up next? That's right hour two of FNA on FSR,

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Speaker 2: Fox Sports Saturday. Thank you guys for joining us, as

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00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 2: you do every single week. Hit us up on x

922
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Speaker 2: at KFIG one is where you can find me. You

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Speaker 2: can find Adam at Follow Adam A Coming up later

924
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 2: this hour, we'll get into some NFL headlines, some quarterback headlines. Two,

925
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 2: we'll talk about Loa in the news, as is Patrick Mahomes.

926
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 2: We'll also talk about the anti tanking proposals that the

927
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 2: NBA and the owners are set to vote on here

928
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Speaker 2: in the next couple of months. But right now, Adam,

929
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 2: of course, Major League Baseball kicked off its season this

930
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 2: week and we are going to dive into it a

931
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Speaker 2: little bit deeper.

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Speaker 4: With our next guest. Let's get to it, Alan Dragandad.

933
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Speaker 4: Thank you Gunny Well.

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Speaker 3: Opening day has passed for what could be the last

935
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 3: baseball season for a bit, So jump in the Diamondbacks

936
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 3: pool and soak it all in seam heads before hardball

937
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 3: falls on hard times. So to celebrate what we are

938
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Speaker 3: seeing now and what we could be missing in the future,

939
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Speaker 3: is a your writer for the Athletic Andy McColloch, who

940
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 3: joins us here on FNA on Fox Sports Radio. Andy,

941
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 3: thanks for doing this.

942
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 11: Man. You guys are like you think there definitely is

943
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 11: going to be no season next year.

944
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 3: Oh that's why we brought you.

945
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was gonna be the question we were going

946
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Speaker 2: to ask you there, Andy, because I mean, that's all

947
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 2: the noise that we're hearing. And then interestingly enough, I

948
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 2: don't know if you saw that, Mark Walter, the owner

949
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 2: of the Dodgers, say like, yeah, something needs to be

950
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 2: done about salary, about a salary cap or some sort

951
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,320
Speaker 2: of salary changes, which I don't know if he's being trueful,

952
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 2: if he's just trying to like really stick it to

953
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 2: the rest of his owners who thought he might be

954
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 2: going to the opposite direction. But from everything I'm hearing,

955
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 2: and obviously you're more dialed in than we are. Does

956
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 2: it look more likely than not that we're headed towards

957
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 2: a lockout after this season?

958
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Speaker 11: Well, yeah, definitely headed towards a lockout. You know, that

959
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 11: would be and that is from the league's perspective, is

960
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 11: more of a procedural maneuver design to basically force the players,

961
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 11: you know, to sort of come to the table, right like,

962
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 11: because the CBA is going to expire on December first,

963
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 11: there's almost certainly not going to be a deal, So

964
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 11: in order to negotiate, there's going to be a lock

965
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 11: at The question is that, you know, does the lockout

966
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Speaker 11: lead to the loss of games?

967
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 12: Right?

968
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 11: We had a pretty nasty lockout in twenty twenty one.

969
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 11: After that season, you know, the ended up being no

970
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 11: games lost, like lay one hundred and sixty two. The

971
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 11: season was compressed and there's some complications from that, but

972
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 11: everyone kind of emerged relatively on skates. I you know,

973
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 11: there is obviously a lot of saber rattling going into this.

974
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 11: The owners are more aligned than they have been in

975
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 11: quite some time in terms of pushing for a salary cap.

976
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 11: You know, the league feels like they have some momentum

977
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 11: from fans of teams who don't live in Los Angeles

978
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,720
Speaker 11: essentially pushing for a cap, and the players, of course

979
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 11: are going to fight tooth and nail to not give

980
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 11: into a cap. The question is just if they can

981
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 11: come to a deal, you know, to avoid losing games.

982
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 11: I still tend to believe that, you know, they won't

983
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 11: actually lose a season, lose a lot, lose games over this,

984
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 11: But who knows. I mean, we're you know, it's going

985
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 11: to be ugly, that's for sure.

986
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 3: Andy, How much does what happens and transpires in this

987
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 3: season determine what type of lockout we could be looking at?

988
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 3: For instance, if you're watching the Dodgers and you're not

989
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 3: a Dodgers fan, should should you be rooting against them

990
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 3: because they're quote unquote ruining baseball by being so good?

991
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 11: I think that the timing could not be better for

992
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 11: the thirty owners who have desired to have a salary

993
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 11: cap in their sport for decades, that all of a

994
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 11: sudden there is a convenient, big bad villain who they

995
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 11: can use as the reason for why there needs to

996
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 11: be a cap. So I, you know, I suspect that

997
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:37,919
Speaker 11: the folks who want a cap would in the league

998
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 11: would be thrilled to see the Dodgers win again because

999
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 11: they can use that as kind of a public relations

1000
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 11: point about how, you know, there needs to be better parody,

1001
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 11: you know whatever. But I think that if you are

1002
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 11: a baseball fan who is rooting against the Dodgers because

1003
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,399
Speaker 11: you basically feel like you want a cap, that's totally fine,

1004
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 11: but you're also doing exactly what the owners want. Maybe,

1005
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 11: and look, maybe that's the better thing for the sport.

1006
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,320
Speaker 11: I don't really care, you know, but it is to me.

1007
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 11: It's like I get I get a little irritated when

1008
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 11: there's discussion of competitive balance and you know which one

1009
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:15,720
Speaker 11: to make things fair? When it's like, no, the owners

1010
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 11: have wanted a cap for decades, like this is what

1011
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 11: they want. It helps them make more money, you know,

1012
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 11: and I wish they would just sort of be more

1013
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 11: straightforward about that.

1014
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, And part of them making more money.

1015
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 2: Argument that the Players Association comes at it with is

1016
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 2: the idea that the franchise valuations continue to go up,

1017
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 2: and the owners say, like, well, the franchise valuations are

1018
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 2: being affected by the fact that we don't have cost

1019
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 2: control with the cap. And I see a report that

1020
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 2: you know, the Padres ownership whenever that does end up

1021
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 2: coming to a fruition, whether it's going to be later

1022
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 2: this year, next year, who knows when. Right now, it's

1023
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 2: looking at maybe about three and a half to three

1024
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 2: point six billion dollars, which would be the highest that

1025
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 2: any franchise has ever sold for. So that PA is saying, well,

1026
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 2: your franchise valuations continue to go up without a cap

1027
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 2: so that entire argument from the owners is totally moot.

1028
00:45:58,719 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 4: What do you say to that?

1029
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,320
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, I think the Padres they're a unique

1030
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 11: case because you know, Peter Sidler, you know, before his death,

1031
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 11: did pour a ton of money into revitalizing that franchise.

1032
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 11: He invested more of his own wealth into that team

1033
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 11: than a lot of other franchises which are struggling to

1034
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 11: sell for the prices whatever they want, like the Twins

1035
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 11: comes to mind. You know, the poll Ads have not invested,

1036
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 11: you know, the sort of millions that Peter Sidler did

1037
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 11: before his death. And Peter Sidler built the Padres from

1038
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 11: you know Franklin, like one of the worst teams in

1039
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 11: the sport into one of the best, or at least

1040
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 11: one of the better ones whatever. You know, they're they're

1041
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 11: a good club, and they have great attendants at Peco Park,

1042
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 11: and they really capitalize on being the best team in

1043
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 11: the market. And so, you know, in some ways that

1044
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:48,240
Speaker 11: is a proof of concept for if you are willing

1045
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 11: to maybe lose some money on the front end and

1046
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 11: you know, invest in your club on the back end.

1047
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 11: If you you sell it, you can make three billion dollars,

1048
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 11: which is obviously more than the Soblet family paid for

1049
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 11: it when they purchased it. But I think most of

1050
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 11: the owners are not willing to make the investments that

1051
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 11: you know, Peter Seidler, John Middleton with the Phillies, you know,

1052
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 11: obviously Steve Collen, who has you know, more money than

1053
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 11: every person listening to this conversation. Times ten. I mean,

1054
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:14,760
Speaker 11: I don't know, I assume you guys for a good audience,

1055
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 11: so maybe times five, But like you know, it's yeah.

1056
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 11: I just think that the thing about it, like the

1057
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 11: thing that the cap would do, is it would create

1058
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 11: cost control and would help the sort of middling franchises

1059
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 11: who are you know, not really competing in any major way.

1060
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 11: It would help raise their franchise values. I am not

1061
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 11: totally convinced that that is something the sport needs to

1062
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 11: be focused on, but I could be wrong.

1063
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 3: Any McCollough from the Athletic as our guests here on

1064
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 3: f and A on FSR. So let's talk about the

1065
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 3: games that are actually being played in some of the

1066
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,760
Speaker 3: new elements here. Last season, Andy, it was torpedo bass

1067
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 3: that were all the rays to start off the season.

1068
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 3: Now we're talking out the abs, the automated balls and

1069
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 3: strike system. The robots have finally been integrated. Do you

1070
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 3: think it's been seamless?

1071
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 10: Do you like it so far?

1072
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,240
Speaker 11: That's fine? Yeah, I mean, yeah, I think it's fine.

1073
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 11: I think it. I don't really see a ton of

1074
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 11: what's the phrase, a ton of unpreseen consequences with it.

1075
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 11: It seems like, you know, it's improved things. I didn't

1076
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 11: think the umpires did a particularly bad job before this.

1077
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 11: I think the umpires are actually really really good at

1078
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 11: their jobs. But I understand, you know, on a limited basis,

1079
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 11: why it works. So yeah, I'm kind of like, I

1080
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 11: don't know. It definitely is not as significant a change

1081
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 11: is something like the pitchclock was, which completely you know,

1082
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 11: like revitalized the product.

1083
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, I know that The technology is not

1084
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 2: one hundred percent there yet, but it's getting there. And

1085
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 2: I know the MLBPA a lot of players I think

1086
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 2: I don't probably unofficially have talked about this not being

1087
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 2: fans of a fully automated strike zone. And if and

1088
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,800
Speaker 2: when that does get affected or close to perfected, do

1089
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 2: you think that's something that Major League Baseball and the

1090
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Speaker 2: Players Association Association will have a real discussion about or

1091
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 2: do you think that's a non starter for a lot

1092
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:09,280
Speaker 2: of the players.

1093
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 5: I don't know.

1094
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 11: I don't know if it's a priority for the players

1095
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 11: with the bargaining But to be honest, I haven't dug

1096
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 11: too deeply on it.

1097
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, Andy and talking about the Dodgers and what they

1098
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 3: can actually do on the field, and we do work

1099
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 3: in Los Angeles full disclosure at the Dodgers station on

1100
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 3: a five seventy. But how much better are they than

1101
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 3: what you would call the competition in the National League

1102
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 3: going into this season, like the team's right below them?

1103
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:37,399
Speaker 11: Yeah, that's a good question.

1104
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 3: They are.

1105
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 11: They are are definitely the best team in the sport.

1106
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 11: I do think though, that that might not become apparent

1107
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,760
Speaker 11: over one sixty two because they are so geared towards

1108
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 11: October that they will probably be far more conservative in

1109
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 11: how they use their players, specifically their pitchers than some

1110
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 11: of these other clubs, so that like, I don't know,

1111
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,320
Speaker 11: like there may be a truth, you know, Fanggrafts hadn't

1112
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 11: projected for something like ninety nine wins, right, I think

1113
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 11: they would be perfectly fine with ninety five wins if

1114
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 11: that you know, wins the division and they get a buye.

1115
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,479
Speaker 11: You know, so how much better are they than the Mets,

1116
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 11: who also, you know, could be a ninety five win team,

1117
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 11: and the Phillies who could win ninety five or you know,

1118
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 11: the Brewers won ninety seven last year, the Cubs, you know,

1119
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 11: one ninety two, they're quite good, and so I think

1120
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:28,479
Speaker 11: they're you know, a handful of wins better than those seams.

1121
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 11: I would be. I wouldn't be shocked if they had

1122
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,399
Speaker 11: the best record, but it also I would probably bet

1123
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 11: against them having the best record in the sport at

1124
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 11: the end of the year, just because I feel like

1125
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 11: they're not going to be particularly aggressive about how they

1126
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 11: use you know, their arms, because everything for them begins

1127
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 11: October first. They just kind of need to get there,

1128
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 11: you know, to the postseason, and that's when they will

1129
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 11: really sort of deploy themselves at you know, sort of

1130
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 11: max effort.

1131
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, you mentioned the Phillies who pushed them to the

1132
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 2: brink in the DS last season. Is there somebody we

1133
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 2: know the Dodgers are to a certain degree on an

1134
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 2: island by themselves. But if there is one National League

1135
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 2: team that has the best shot of knocking them off,

1136
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 2: are you able to handicap that?

1137
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 4: Right now? Who do you think that would be? Would

1138
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 4: it be Philadelphia? Would be somebody else?

1139
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:08,919
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1140
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 11: I just I mean it depends kind of on a series,

1141
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 11: right Like in a short series, a team like Philadelphia,

1142
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 11: if they have you know, Christopher Sanchez his wizardo and

1143
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,320
Speaker 11: Zach Wheeler who they did not have last time, you know,

1144
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 11: that is a quite challenging pitching matchup. But you know,

1145
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 11: and I think especially from the left side, you saw

1146
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 11: what Sanchez and Lozardo, you know we're able to do

1147
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 11: to show Heeo Tani you know d during that NLPs.

1148
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 11: So I think, you know, any team that has good

1149
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 11: starting pitching and you can miss bats has a chance

1150
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 11: to beat them. I mean, I think that's what is

1151
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 11: sort of so kind of amusing from my perspective to

1152
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 11: see the Dodgers painted as this like sport wrecking colossus

1153
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 11: when like, I'm not even totally sure from a true

1154
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 11: talent perspective, the team they've had in the last two

1155
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 11: years is better than like the twenty twenty one team

1156
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 11: or the twenty twenty two team that won you know,

1157
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 11: one hundred and ten games and at Trey Turner and

1158
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 11: you know, like they've put together some really, really good clubs,

1159
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 11: but one this past two years has put it together

1160
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 11: in October when it's mattered most. It helps having Otani,

1161
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 11: He's quite good as well, But like, you know, I

1162
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 11: just feel like this is in some way it's like

1163
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 11: I don't even know, if you know, on a if

1164
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 11: you look at the depth of the twenty six man roster,

1165
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 11: you know, some of the teams they had before Otani

1166
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 11: got there might have been better than this group, which

1167
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 11: is a really good club. Obviously.

1168
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 13: Yeah, absolutely, What do you think about Shani now in

1169
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 13: his first season pitching and hitting fully with the Dodgers,

1170
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 13: the type of numbers that he could put up, the

1171
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 13: type of unicorn stuff he can do now with the

1172
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 13: restrictions released, you would think at least with him on

1173
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 13: throwing days.

1174
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 11: Now, Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how aggressive they are.

1175
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 11: I mean, I'm definitely going to be you know, watching

1176
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 11: when he takes the mount in Cleveland next week, because

1177
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 11: you're right, there are no restrictions per se, but also

1178
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,359
Speaker 11: there's the restrictions of the human body. You know, there's

1179
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,879
Speaker 11: the restrictions of your trying to make sure he gets

1180
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:05,280
Speaker 11: through the season in one piece. So he's ready for October.

1181
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 11: And there's a real push pull there that I don't

1182
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 11: know if the organization has experienced quite yet, you know,

1183
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 11: because in twenty twenty four, he's just kind of working

1184
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 11: his way back from Tommy John. You know, he's able

1185
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 11: to go fifty to fifty puts up this incredible season.

1186
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 11: You know, last year he's working his way back again

1187
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 11: from Tommy John. They're able to ease him in to pitching.

1188
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 11: He still hits fifty five home runs and is you know,

1189
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 11: the best hitter and in the National League in addition

1190
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 11: to being a pretty good pitcher on a really you know,

1191
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,479
Speaker 11: small sample size, and now he really gets the dial

1192
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 11: in on pitching, which people you know around the team

1193
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 11: will tell you is something that he you know, he

1194
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 11: draws more purpose from that than hitting. He is a pitcher.

1195
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 11: He's a star pitcher before he was a start hitter,

1196
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 11: and you can see, you know, how much it means

1197
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 11: to him. So it will be very interesting to see

1198
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 11: just kind of, you know, how how much they are

1199
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:54,800
Speaker 11: willing to use him, how deep in games he can go,

1200
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:57,760
Speaker 11: and you know, if they will you know, skip starts

1201
00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 11: and things like that, if he starts to show fatigue

1202
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 11: midway through the year versus letting him just kind of

1203
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 11: air it out and kind of max out in. You know,

1204
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,320
Speaker 11: he is getting older and what he is doing is

1205
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 11: like hazardous to the human body, and so I'm not

1206
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:13,800
Speaker 11: sure how many chances he'll really have to get a

1207
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 11: fully healthy crack as a two way guy.

1208
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 2: Andy McColl a senior baseball writer for The Athletic joining

1209
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 2: us here on FNA on FSR. I wasn't going to

1210
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 2: go here talking about the WBC, but since you talked

1211
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 2: about maintenance and guys being injured and maintaining you know,

1212
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 2: health throughout a season. So the WBC was obviously a success,

1213
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:31,479
Speaker 2: and on the heels of that, people have been talking

1214
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 2: about whether or not Major League Baseball could think about

1215
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 2: moving it potentially into where the All Star Break is

1216
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 2: and giving a two week break and having it placed

1217
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 2: at that point in time. We talked about this on

1218
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 2: our show last week, Andy saying, I don't know if

1219
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 2: a lot of Major league clubs would sign off on

1220
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 2: that having a Trek schoobl or Patohio Tani pitching in

1221
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 2: the middle of July when you're trying to get ready

1222
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 2: for a Pennet race.

1223
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 4: Do you think that that's a non starter for major

1224
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 4: league clubs?

1225
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:55,800
Speaker 2: And talking about moving the WBC to midseason as opposed

1226
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 2: to before the season.

1227
00:54:57,560 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 11: I wouldn't say it's a non starter, but I think

1228
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 11: the point you rais is a really good one that

1229
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 11: teams are going to be a lot warrier of seeing

1230
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 11: their guys, you know, pitching seven eight innings or whatever

1231
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,320
Speaker 11: it would be six innings, let's say, you know, in

1232
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 11: the summer. I also think another just really obvious complication

1233
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,800
Speaker 11: is that there's going to be more injured players, Like, like,

1234
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 11: you know, these guys are going to get hurt before

1235
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 11: then and so they won't be available. So some of

1236
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 11: the great players who played in the WBC at the

1237
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 11: start of this year are going to be on the

1238
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 11: injured list in July and not going to be available.

1239
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 11: And I think that while in a perfect world, the

1240
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 11: middle of the summer in the place of the All

1241
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 11: Star Game would be the ideal way to deploy the WBC,

1242
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 11: I think that, you know that there would be issues

1243
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 11: with the teams, you know, being willing to do it,

1244
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,879
Speaker 11: and then he would find a lot of players are

1245
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 11: going to be torn in a way that kind of

1246
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:50,800
Speaker 11: like Krek Scooble was this year, you know, and Schoogle

1247
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 11: was like, he was like, Yeah, I'll go pitching the WBC.

1248
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 11: It'll be cool, will be like an All Star Game,

1249
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 11: and then I'll go back to the you know, my team.

1250
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 11: And then he got to the WBC and was like, oh, wow,

1251
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 11: this is really intense and I'm torn between wanting to

1252
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 11: you know, be ready for Opening Day for my team,

1253
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 11: set myself up for a four hundred million dollar contract

1254
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 11: this winter, et cetera. And I think you would just

1255
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 11: have a lot of guys kind of pulled a different direction,

1256
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 11: and then you have to work in conjunction with you know,

1257
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 11: MPB and all these players who don't play in the

1258
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 11: major leagues to get you know, clearance for them to

1259
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 11: come halfway across the world to do it. I just

1260
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 11: think I feel like the WBC in the spring works

1261
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 11: pretty well. And I think if you keep people keep

1262
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 11: trying to tinker in, it's almost like letting, you know,

1263
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 11: perfect be the enemy of pretty good.

1264
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 3: Andy McCollough from The Athletic is our guest here on

1265
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 3: f and A on FSR. Last one for me here, Andy,

1266
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:42,320
Speaker 3: But you know now that Paul Skeins is washed because

1267
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 3: women weakend throwing arms and you got lit up by

1268
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 3: the mess the other day. Now that he's totally done,

1269
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:49,359
Speaker 3: who are some of the young guys that are going

1270
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 3: to carry this sport over the next ten years that

1271
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 3: could have breakout seasons this year?

1272
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 11: Yeah? Wow, Scen set a rough one yesterday. I think

1273
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 11: it's the center field defense.

1274
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's probably hard more than any Yeah.

1275
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 11: Uh, you know, there's a lot of hype for this fellow,

1276
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:10,360
Speaker 11: Kevin McGonagall, who debuted yesterday for the Detroit Tigers. You know,

1277
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 11: an infielder with real offensive skills. Has drawn some uh

1278
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 11: you know, comparisons to Alex Bregman. I had a scout

1279
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 11: text me today. He thinks he's going to be a

1280
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 11: Hall of Famer, which, you know, I'd like to see

1281
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 11: him play a second game. Roman Anthony obviously, uh, you

1282
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 11: know with the with the Boston Red Sox, he played

1283
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 11: for team you. I say, you know, he is a

1284
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 11: sort of bright young star. I think there's gonna be

1285
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 11: a lot of attention on Connor Griffin and the Pirates

1286
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 11: when he comes up. You know, there was a he

1287
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 11: like did not play well in spring training and he's

1288
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 11: had less than one hundred at bats above a ball

1289
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 11: and there was still some debate about whether he should

1290
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 11: make the opening day roster, which you know gives you

1291
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 11: a sense of like what type of prospect he is.

1292
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 11: And so yeah, there's a lot of good young players.

1293
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 11: Carter Jensen with the Royals, I could gone for a while,

1294
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 11: JJ Weatherhol with the Cardinals, et cetera. But McGonagall is

1295
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 11: the one who's getting a lot of hype right now.

1296
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 4: Andy will let you run on this one.

1297
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 2: It's the the annual how hot is Aaron Boone's seat

1298
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 2: question that I'm sure you get before every single season.

1299
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 2: The Yankees obviously losing in the Wildcard last season, losing

1300
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 2: in the World Series in epic fashion in that game

1301
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 2: five last year or two years ago, I should say,

1302
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 2: how hot is Aaron Boone's seed, and do you think

1303
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 2: that there could be a managerial change if the Yankees

1304
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 2: don't make you pass let's say the wildcard round again

1305
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 2: this year.

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Speaker 11: I would stop short of saying that they're you know,

1307
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 11: I'm not going to rule out any sort of changes.

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00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 11: You know, I can't speak to what Brian Cashman and

1309
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 11: more importantly, how I'm runners mindset will be, you know,

1310
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 11: in October. But I would say the seat is pretty cool.

1311
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 11: The Yankees appreciate what they have in Aaron Boone. I

1312
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 11: think they are bigger fans of Boone than maybe some

1313
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 11: segments of the fan base. And yeah, I mean that

1314
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 11: seat's just not particularly warm. They think he's doing a

1315
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 11: good job. And you know, they won as many games

1316
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 11: as any team in the regular season in the American

1317
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 11: League last year. You know, they had the best run

1318
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 11: differential in the American League. They believe that their process

1319
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 11: is going to lead them to be the best team

1320
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 11: in the American League this year. I think there are

1321
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 11: some clear valid criticisms of you know, the Yankees and

1322
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 11: Buns leadership. They kind of have these like weird swoons

1323
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 11: every middle of the year. They sometimes seem like they forget,

1324
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 11: like how to play baseball, and you know, sometimes that

1325
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 11: is ascribed to kind of a lais a fair approach

1326
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 11: from Boone, And look, I mean it kind of happens

1327
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 11: year after year, so it's reasonable to, you know, criticize that.

1328
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 11: But at the end of the day, like they're a

1329
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 11: really good club. I think they're the best team in

1330
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 11: the AL. I have to agree with their internal assessment.

1331
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 11: I think, you know, they're gonna win their division and

1332
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 11: have a chance to play for the World Series. So

1333
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 11: but if that doesn't happen, you know, if they have

1334
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 11: a horrendous year and they win seventy five games, and

1335
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 11: you know, I suspect there will be a seat will

1336
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 11: be quite hot. But as right now, I think it's

1337
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 11: pretty stupid.

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00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 3: He is Anny McCullough of The Athletic. You can also

1339
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 3: check out his book. He wrote the book on Kershaw,

1340
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 3: The Last of His Kind and The Burden of Greatness.

1341
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 3: I thought he was pretty good as an analyst the

1342
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 3: other night on NBC. But we might have to wait

1343
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 3: for the playoffs to see if Kershaw.

1344
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 4: Can handle it. How dare you?

1345
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 11: That's cool?

1346
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 3: Andy, thanks for doing this here on Fox Sports Radio.

1347
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 4: We appreciate it.

1348
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, leave it to the giant fan to take a

1349
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 2: shot at Clayton Kershaw who's just retired, trying to enjoy

1350
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 2: the retirement, trying to start his second career. Then Adam

1351
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 2: comes off the top rope with the macho man elbow dropping.

1352
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 4: Was I wrong for that?

1353
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 1: Am I wrong?

1354
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 3: This was a Rob Parker moment. Okay, I was help myself.

1355
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 3: You know what, I think Clayton Kershaw is going to

1356
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 3: be fantastic because we've seen him interview so many times

1357
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 3: in the dugout during games and he's always been great.

1358
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 3: His INSIGHT's incredible, it is.

1359
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 2: And how they roped them into that broadcast on NBC

1360
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 2: on Opening Night, I thought was spectacular bringing them in

1361
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 2: saying what are you doing in this a particular situation?

1362
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 2: Talking about Nolan Aronado and what sits him apart as

1363
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:05,440
Speaker 2: a third basement defensively from other people, just going to

1364
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 2: him here and there throughout the broadcast to get his

1365
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 2: individual insights on certain game situations.

1366
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Speaker 4: I think is really really smart and I thought it

1367
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 4: played pretty well.

1368
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 3: He's a gentleman and a scholar and we don't deserve him,

1369
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:18,440
Speaker 3: and I'm happy for Clayton Kershaw being involved. And I

1370
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 3: guess NBC is doing that with wherever they're broadcasting nationally,

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01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 3: they're trying to bring in a local guy so they

1372
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 3: can get more perspective. That's why Oral Hirscheiser was also

1373
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 3: on the call in that game. That's pretty brilliant.

1374
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, with Luis Gonzalez who was the airzon a dback

1375
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 2: TV guy. So they're gonna do that, yes, the entire season.

1376
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 2: So whatever city that they're in, they're going to rotate

1377
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 2: in local broadcasters with their head playboy play guy, which

1378
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 2: I believe is for the season going to be Jason Bennetti,

1379
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 2: who's also spectacular.

1380
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 3: Turns out those guys know the teams better than anyone,

1381
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 3: that's right, who knew They cover them all year. Coming

1382
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 3: up next and we cover this all year, the NFL,

1383
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 3: the New American Past time. We'll talk about some of

1384
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 3: the quarterback headlines that are going on. You're listening to Evan.

1385
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,240
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1399
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Speaker 3: Coming up next hour, we'll take your phone calls. At

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01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 3: eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox We're talking best

1401
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 3: nicknames in sports because Caleb Williams is trying to rip

1402
01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 3: one away. We'll get into that. Plus the very next

1403
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 3: segment we'll talk about if the NBA has a good

1404
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 3: plan for fixing tanking. Was the fix in just have

1405
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 3: Jay Huff at the free throw line for everyone right

1406
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 3: exactly now?

1407
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 4: He was trying to make him. I know he was.

1408
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 5: He was.

1409
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:14,680
Speaker 4: I don't. By the way, has there been a giant

1410
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 4: conspiracy about that tonight? Oh a lot of.

1411
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 3: People are saying, oh, this is a new way to tank, because.

1412
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:20,520
Speaker 4: I say it's tongue in cheek. I didn't realize this

1413
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 4: was actually a thing.

1414
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 3: Well, you're a logical human being, and you think often

1415
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 3: before you speak.

1416
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 4: I'm like, suck, I am bleeping brilliant.

1417
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 3: So the deal with the Clippers in the Indiana Pacers

1418
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 3: tonight in this game, that makes it extra juice. He

1419
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 3: is the Pacers only hold on to their first round

1420
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 3: pick this season. If it's top four, yep, it is

1421
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 3: top four protected. If it's five through nine, it goes

1422
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 3: to the Clippers.

1423
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:47,640
Speaker 4: Do you think they're hustling so hard to try to

1424
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:48,240
Speaker 4: lose games?

1425
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 2: I'm not talking about Jay Huf specifically trying to miss

1426
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 2: free throws, but sitting guys. How healthy is zubots or

1427
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 2: isn't zubots? You know, situations like that?

1428
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 3: Well, I assume his broken rib is reel at this point.

1429
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:02,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right.

1430
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 3: Initially they were sitting them out with that left ankle injury,

1431
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 3: which he was playing with with the Clippers right before

1432
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 3: he got traded. That was interesting. So we'll get into

1433
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 3: the tanking. There are three solutions, possible solutions. Are they

1434
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 3: good ones?

1435
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 4: Though? Yeah?

1436
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 3: Kevin uh Is the Kansasy Chiefs. Do they have a

1437
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:22,360
Speaker 3: solution at quarterback to start Week one this season?

1438
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:24,200
Speaker 4: Is he ready? Well?

1439
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 2: I mean, and I usually don't get really deep into

1440
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 2: the I can't call it a hype video. It's just

1441
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 2: a little short clip of Patrick Mahomes that was circulating

1442
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 2: this way, I say circulating. He posted it of him

1443
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:37,120
Speaker 2: do a dropping back, very very gingerly and delivering a

1444
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:38,120
Speaker 2: pass downfield.

1445
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 4: Now grant as he should. He had December. He had

1446
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:42,440
Speaker 4: major leg surgery in December.

1447
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:43,200
Speaker 3: It's been three months.

1448
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, mcl a CL like that. These are serious things

1449
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 4: that he got cleaned up, not just a cl the

1450
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 4: LCL as well.

1451
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, lateral collateral ligaments I think what it was called.

1452
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:58,920
Speaker 2: Two major ligaments were placed in his leg. So I

1453
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,479
Speaker 2: guess it is encouraged that he's out there here in March.

1454
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 2: The Kansas City Chiefs apparently have acknowledged that base to

1455
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 2: where he is in his rehab process, he could be

1456
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 2: in line to at least participate in their off season,

1457
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 2: their voluntary off season program.

1458
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:12,919
Speaker 4: So it'd be great.

1459
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:17,360
Speaker 3: No, that's big. And we've seen quarterbacks come back from

1460
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 3: an ACL and still be very good and look the

1461
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 3: same because most of the time those quarterbacks weren't doing

1462
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 3: a lot of running. Weren't you know that mobile to

1463
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 3: begin with? For instance, I don't know Tom Brady, I'm

1464
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:32,480
Speaker 3: Brady right. Every once in a while he would run

1465
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 3: for a first down. He'd do the big first down

1466
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:38,320
Speaker 3: hand check thing where he had to let everybody know

1467
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 3: what a badass he was for getting that verse down.

1468
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 3: They shut up, Tom, just go go fight Logan Paul,

1469
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:51,720
Speaker 3: but him, Carson Palmer, guys like that very different responding

1470
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:55,000
Speaker 3: to an acl and what you're expecting versus Patrick Mahomes

1471
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:57,880
Speaker 3: who relies on his legs and going off script all

1472
01:05:57,880 --> 01:05:59,200
Speaker 3: the time to make plays.

1473
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 4: Because he has to. And that's the frustrating part.

1474
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 2: If you're a Kansas City Chiefs fan or you're a

1475
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 2: fan of the league and like seeing great players thrive,

1476
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 2: what he has had to do in the past two

1477
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 2: seasons for the Kansas City Chiefs offense is ridiculous and

1478
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 2: it's borderline malpracticed by that front office. And look, Andy

1479
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:17,640
Speaker 2: Reid's the head coach, but he's also the president of

1480
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 2: football operations.

1481
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:19,520
Speaker 4: He's the boss.

1482
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 2: Like, I realize you have a great player and you

1483
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 2: feel like he can be superman and throw on his cape.

1484
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:25,600
Speaker 4: He is only human.

1485
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 2: As spectacular as he is, he cannot literally do everything himself.

1486
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 2: Going out and signing Kenneth Walker a legitimate bona fide

1487
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:33,920
Speaker 2: number one running back is huge?

1488
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:35,440
Speaker 4: Now can they use the draft?

1489
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 2: The offseason free agencies kind of passed them by to

1490
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 2: a certain degree, at least the first wave. Try to

1491
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:42,560
Speaker 2: get some more legitimate weapons so he doesn't have to

1492
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 2: run around in circles and try to be a hero

1493
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:45,160
Speaker 2: every single weekend.

1494
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:48,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the Kenneth Walker move I think is an

1495
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:50,800
Speaker 3: appropriate one. And maybe it was a long time coming.

1496
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 3: And does it happen if Patrick Mahomes doesn't tear up

1497
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 3: his knee like this?

1498
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 4: I wonder it's a good question.

1499
01:06:57,400 --> 01:07:00,240
Speaker 3: Is this what it took for them to finally get

1500
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:03,400
Speaker 3: it through their fixed goals? Especially in any Reed's case?

1501
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 4: Here, Oh come, I he's lost a lot of weight.

1502
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 3: No, he looks great and he makes fun of himself

1503
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 3: for wanting a Hamberger all the time, and that's all

1504
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:12,640
Speaker 3: he wanted after winning the Super Bowl.

1505
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 4: Which time was that?

1506
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 3: I don't know, one of the three.

1507
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 4: Times, you know, one of fifteen times the Chiefs has

1508
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 4: won the Super Bowl the last years.

1509
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:21,240
Speaker 3: Good for him, he's eaten good. So it was Kansas City.

1510
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:23,040
Speaker 3: I mean, they got the barbecue, they got everything he

1511
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:26,920
Speaker 3: needs there. But I just wonder what took so long

1512
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 3: because You probably could have seen this coming back when

1513
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:35,080
Speaker 3: he got rocked by the Buccaneers in twenty twenty one

1514
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 3: in that Super Bowl, that this just isn't sustainable, that

1515
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:43,080
Speaker 3: his ability to run eventually it's going to work against

1516
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:45,480
Speaker 3: him or it's going to lead to a catastrophic injury.

1517
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 10: And now it has now.

1518
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:52,360
Speaker 3: I think with modern medicine, sports science and how things

1519
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:55,080
Speaker 3: go today, he probably will be back week one. There's

1520
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:57,640
Speaker 3: a real good chance of that. Will he look the same,

1521
01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 3: will he have the same patients in the pocket after

1522
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 3: hurting his leg like that? Where sometimes you know, we

1523
01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 3: always talk about Sam Darnold seeing ghosts, but guys returning

1524
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 3: from injury often are a little bit more sped up,

1525
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 3: Like we've seen this with Aaron Rodgers the past few years.

1526
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:17,200
Speaker 3: And some of that is just because he's older now,

1527
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:19,479
Speaker 3: doesn't like to take as many hits, as Brady Papinga

1528
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:19,880
Speaker 3: told us.

1529
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:21,680
Speaker 4: I think it's more that than anything else when it

1530
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:22,280
Speaker 4: comes to Aaron.

1531
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:24,719
Speaker 3: But you know, with a guy coming off an injury,

1532
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:28,519
Speaker 3: it's not so much it hasn't healed physically, it's mentally

1533
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:32,240
Speaker 3: those mental scars you have. Do you trust it, do

1534
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:35,799
Speaker 3: you trust the ability to take those hits again because

1535
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:38,920
Speaker 3: he's gonna want to take off and run and that

1536
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:41,800
Speaker 3: is his habit that has been built up forever. So

1537
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 3: first couple of times he does that, like is he

1538
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:48,519
Speaker 3: going to have to take that big hit, realize he's okay,

1539
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:51,400
Speaker 3: and then go I'm still Patrick Maholmes, I'm gonna be

1540
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:51,880
Speaker 3: all right here.

1541
01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:54,360
Speaker 2: And the weird thing is you can't really use you know,

1542
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 2: how are they gonna handle it? Maybe give it more

1543
01:08:56,360 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 2: preseason reps. The Kansasity Chiefs notoriously always play their start

1544
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:01,960
Speaker 2: in the preseason. I'm trying to remember if it was

1545
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:04,479
Speaker 2: last this past season or the year before. There was

1546
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:06,599
Speaker 2: definitely a game where I believe they weren't playing well

1547
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 2: and Andy Reid actually played his starters into the early

1548
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:11,080
Speaker 2: part of the third quarter. This is a Chiefs team

1549
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:12,639
Speaker 2: that's been to the Super Bowl god knows how many

1550
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:14,760
Speaker 2: times the past five six years, and he's playing his

1551
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:17,120
Speaker 2: starters in the preseason. I do wonder, if you know,

1552
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 2: if he's progressing well enough and he's well enough to

1553
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:21,040
Speaker 2: play by the time we get to mid to late

1554
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:23,720
Speaker 2: August and the preseason starts, whether or not they throw

1555
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:25,280
Speaker 2: him out there and give them a little bit more

1556
01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:27,920
Speaker 2: run in preseason than they have in years past, just

1557
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:30,080
Speaker 2: so we can work up those calluses. So he's not

1558
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:32,280
Speaker 2: trying to worry about working through those sort of things

1559
01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:34,120
Speaker 2: once the real games start in Week one.

1560
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:37,040
Speaker 3: And it's not like he has any quarterback competition going

1561
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 3: on there. Him with one leg is still better than

1562
01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:42,920
Speaker 3: Justin Fields. Like they're good and they're going back to

1563
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:46,040
Speaker 3: Patrick for Holmes. There's no issue there and that's just

1564
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 3: when they get back.

1565
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 4: By the way, that Justin Fields thing is very weird

1566
01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:51,320
Speaker 4: to me, like apparently he requested to go there.

1567
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 2: He wants to go to Andy Reid. He feels that

1568
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:56,400
Speaker 2: Andy can fix them great, and that's phenomenal. Justice seems

1569
01:09:56,439 --> 01:09:58,120
Speaker 2: like a nice kid. I want him to do well good.

1570
01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 3: I think as a smart mindset, I know I need

1571
01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:02,519
Speaker 3: help and this team can help me.

1572
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:04,080
Speaker 4: I don't butgrutge him one bit.

1573
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 2: If you're the Kansas City Chiefs and you have your

1574
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 2: star quarterback coming off of an injury, I don't know

1575
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:11,719
Speaker 2: if I trust Justin Fields to be my backup quarterback.

1576
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:13,599
Speaker 2: If he's number three and you don't pay number three

1577
01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:15,000
Speaker 2: is the way he's getting paid, which is I think

1578
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 2: two or three million dollars, whatever it is. That's just

1579
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:21,599
Speaker 2: that's an interesting from the Kansas City Chiefs standpoint. It's

1580
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:23,680
Speaker 2: an interesting move for them because if he goes out

1581
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 2: the offense and for him to be able to thrive

1582
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:28,879
Speaker 2: looks totally different than it does with Patrick Mahomes.

1583
01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 3: Maybe some of that is their confidence in Patrick Mahomes

1584
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:35,880
Speaker 3: returning this season because he's Patrick Mahomes. You mentioned he

1585
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:39,400
Speaker 3: can't be Superman. You know, Doomsday got Superman and then

1586
01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:42,160
Speaker 3: eventually he came back in four different forms or whatever.

1587
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:44,559
Speaker 2: I'm still confused as to how that whole thing worked out,

1588
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:46,160
Speaker 2: to be honest with you. And they broke his back

1589
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:47,560
Speaker 2: and he died and there was a whole thing, and

1590
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:48,280
Speaker 2: then he came back.

1591
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:51,920
Speaker 3: I'm just thankful Zach Snyder didn't get to do super

1592
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:54,960
Speaker 3: Boy and all the other iterations of Superman and they

1593
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:57,560
Speaker 3: took him out quickly. Now James Gunn can handle that,

1594
01:10:57,720 --> 01:10:59,599
Speaker 3: but maybe a little bit better at least.

1595
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:00,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1596
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:04,599
Speaker 3: I think Patrick Mahomes is that type where you expect

1597
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:07,760
Speaker 3: a guy that's that driven and that relentless to make

1598
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:10,160
Speaker 3: it back. I remember when RG three came back. Now

1599
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:13,240
Speaker 3: he was a runner, even on a different level. Obviously,

1600
01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 3: a track star. He was a real speedzer that I

1601
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 3: think ran like a four to three. I think he

1602
01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:20,840
Speaker 3: ran maybe the fastest electronically time quarterback.

1603
01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:23,320
Speaker 4: Time at thee his time with the Washington Redskins.

1604
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:25,840
Speaker 2: At the time, I mean his legs were integral part

1605
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:28,639
Speaker 2: of their offense was that he was running the ball

1606
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:30,080
Speaker 2: five to seven ten times a game.

1607
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:36,080
Speaker 3: And eventually it led to him getting hurt. And the

1608
01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:38,080
Speaker 3: one thing we talked about a lot, because there was

1609
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:43,800
Speaker 3: this documentary chronicling his rehab and his comeback store in

1610
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:46,519
Speaker 3: his tail or comeback Trail, that he was on to

1611
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:49,280
Speaker 3: getting back before the start of the next season, and

1612
01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:52,080
Speaker 3: he did. But the one thing you saw at the

1613
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:56,280
Speaker 3: time was he's doing so much rehab. He's not practicing football.

1614
01:11:56,640 --> 01:12:00,240
Speaker 3: He's not playing football anymore. He's not doing this same

1615
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:03,240
Speaker 3: training he's normally able to do. And that's why I

1616
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:05,040
Speaker 3: think a lot of times when people talk about, well

1617
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:08,560
Speaker 3: it's a two year thing, because like year one is

1618
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:12,559
Speaker 3: just getting back on the field, year two you actually

1619
01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:15,280
Speaker 3: got to if you make it to that next offseason healthy,

1620
01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:18,320
Speaker 3: you got to train maybe the way you used to before.

1621
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:21,000
Speaker 3: I've seen this with Kawhi Leonard. He got his first

1622
01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:23,519
Speaker 3: offseason where he didn't have to go under the knife.

1623
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:26,760
Speaker 3: He looks incredible again, even at the age of thirty four,

1624
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 3: first time in five years he didn't have to, you know,

1625
01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:33,560
Speaker 3: go into the er. This is the deal. And so

1626
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:36,920
Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes, him being back on the field and him

1627
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:39,320
Speaker 3: being back looking like the same player that we thought

1628
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:41,280
Speaker 3: he was, those are two different things.

1629
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:41,559
Speaker 4: Also.

1630
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:44,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'll also say like RG three wasn't as

1631
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:47,040
Speaker 2: refined if a pass ar ast Patrick Mahomes is, so

1632
01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 2: the curve for him to come.

1633
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:48,960
Speaker 4: It's almost like Joe Burrow.

1634
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:51,720
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow could be dropped in in Week thirteen or

1635
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:53,720
Speaker 2: whatever it was for Cincinnati and looked like he never

1636
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:54,360
Speaker 2: missed the beat.

1637
01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:56,439
Speaker 3: As long as it's not a flag football game. I guess, well,

1638
01:12:56,880 --> 01:13:00,240
Speaker 3: that was interesting him. Maybe he shouldn't have done that. Yeah,

1639
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:01,719
Speaker 3: the pros of the pros for a reason.

1640
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:04,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, the whole theory about whether or not NFL players

1641
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:06,840
Speaker 2: should be competing in the twenty twenty eight Olympics in

1642
01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:09,880
Speaker 2: flag football didn't really look that good last weekend.

1643
01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:12,120
Speaker 3: So you remember that commercial back in the day in

1644
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:14,320
Speaker 3: the early nineties where they were trying to get football

1645
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:17,080
Speaker 3: in the Olympics, and like Emmett Smith came up to

1646
01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:19,479
Speaker 3: the I don't know the Olympic committee and like throw

1647
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:21,280
Speaker 3: a football on the desk and was like, this is

1648
01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:24,080
Speaker 3: what we have to do. I got dream realized it's

1649
01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:26,400
Speaker 3: it's going to happen here. I guess in some black

1650
01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:27,320
Speaker 3: football form.

1651
01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:28,880
Speaker 2: There's no way in hell that you can play real

1652
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:30,800
Speaker 2: football in a two and a half week period or

1653
01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:32,400
Speaker 2: whatever whatever the Olympics is.

1654
01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:34,000
Speaker 4: That just wouldn't happen. Very different.

1655
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 3: He wasn't the only quarterback though. Patrick Mahomes had made

1656
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:39,360
Speaker 3: a little bit of news this week quickly.

1657
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:43,360
Speaker 9: Here one of the headlines on the announcement to starting quarterbacks.

1658
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:47,479
Speaker 3: To a tongue Bailoa now in Atlanta, talking about how

1659
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:50,680
Speaker 3: he still thinks his best days are ahead of him,

1660
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:52,480
Speaker 3: which is interesting.

1661
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:55,840
Speaker 4: Appreciate the optimism using the word head in there. I'm

1662
01:13:55,840 --> 01:14:00,360
Speaker 4: a little bit concerned, Like I love to. I think

1663
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:02,559
Speaker 4: he's a great guy. He wants to be great.

1664
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 3: There's no issue there, but it is a scary situation

1665
01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:09,040
Speaker 3: based upon everything we saw go down with the Dolphins.

1666
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:11,479
Speaker 3: I was looking at this a little bit earlier, but

1667
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:15,880
Speaker 3: the difference in Tua from his first four years in

1668
01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:20,160
Speaker 3: how much he ran the football compared to the last

1669
01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:23,320
Speaker 3: couple of years. I think he ran for thirty six

1670
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:27,719
Speaker 3: first downs his first four years with the Dolphins.

1671
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:29,320
Speaker 2: That's a lot more than I would have guessed, to

1672
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:31,280
Speaker 2: be honest with you, He's not real fleet of foot.

1673
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:34,320
Speaker 3: And he only ran for six the past two seasons. Like,

1674
01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:38,360
Speaker 3: that's a guy who I understand why I'm not complaining

1675
01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:39,640
Speaker 3: and or blaming him for it.

1676
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:40,480
Speaker 4: Of course.

1677
01:14:42,120 --> 01:14:46,479
Speaker 3: I'm trying to get hit serious injuries. But that was

1678
01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:49,880
Speaker 3: a little part of his game, his mobility out there.

1679
01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:53,000
Speaker 3: It made defenses be a little bit more honest and

1680
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:57,439
Speaker 3: think about it. And that's gone now. His best days

1681
01:14:57,880 --> 01:14:58,720
Speaker 3: really ahead of him.

1682
01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:02,240
Speaker 2: You believe that Kevin No, first of all, Like he's

1683
01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:04,479
Speaker 2: someone who has to have the offense perfectly catered to

1684
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:06,840
Speaker 2: his skill set and look and if he has that,

1685
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:09,320
Speaker 2: and I believe Sefansk he can do that in Atlanta.

1686
01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:11,680
Speaker 4: I think he's a scheme fit for what they do.

1687
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:13,360
Speaker 4: But everything has to work out perfectly.

1688
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:15,720
Speaker 2: He doesn't have a lot of physical measurables on many

1689
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:19,559
Speaker 2: different levels to compensate for the fact that if he's

1690
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:21,360
Speaker 2: playing with a lot of deficiencies around him, so he

1691
01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:23,760
Speaker 2: needs everything to be perfect. He had that for a

1692
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:25,960
Speaker 2: couple of years in Miami, but as soon as he

1693
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:28,439
Speaker 2: loses a player or something happens, the offensive line takes

1694
01:15:28,439 --> 01:15:31,200
Speaker 2: a bit of a slip. He drops off dramatically, and

1695
01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 2: so I can't say that his best days.

1696
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:35,400
Speaker 4: Are in front of him. I do think if all

1697
01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:37,640
Speaker 4: things were equal, and if everything.

1698
01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:39,880
Speaker 2: Lines up and everybody's healthy, he can be a starting

1699
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:41,760
Speaker 2: quarterback for a playoff caliber team.

1700
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:44,200
Speaker 4: But that's probably the ceiling. I don't think he's good

1701
01:15:44,280 --> 01:15:46,280
Speaker 4: enough to take you to that next level. He can

1702
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:48,439
Speaker 4: compete with Michael Penicks, and he could probably beat Michael

1703
01:15:48,479 --> 01:15:50,680
Speaker 4: Penicks out for the starting job in Atlanta, but as

1704
01:15:50,720 --> 01:15:53,280
Speaker 4: he the championship level quarterback, I don't see.

1705
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:55,840
Speaker 3: That he knew there'd be an opportunity there. So he's

1706
01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:58,200
Speaker 3: thinking he can beat out Michael Pennix too. And but

1707
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:00,360
Speaker 3: for him, he does agree with you.

1708
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:01,200
Speaker 4: The ceiling.

1709
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:03,559
Speaker 3: We've already seen it. We know who he is as

1710
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:05,880
Speaker 3: a player. He's not getting better at this point, even

1711
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:09,160
Speaker 3: though I'm rooting for Tua coming up next. Are the

1712
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:12,160
Speaker 3: NBA's best days ahead? Are they going to fix this

1713
01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:16,559
Speaker 3: tanking issue? Do we see some teams tanking tonight at

1714
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:18,719
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1732
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:14,080
Speaker 2: spat between the original Iceman, the only Iceman, George and

1733
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:17,320
Speaker 2: quarterback for the Chicago Bears, Caleb Williams.

1734
01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:18,760
Speaker 4: We'll talk about that coming up next hour.

1735
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:22,639
Speaker 3: All right, I think there were some guys probably nicknamed

1736
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:26,120
Speaker 3: Tank here and there in sports. Yeah, A couple of them,

1737
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:31,880
Speaker 3: not just Frank the tank Rank Kamensky. But let's talk

1738
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:35,000
Speaker 3: about this NBA situation tanking going on, which is why

1739
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:39,599
Speaker 3: I played the Evening Commissioner Joker SoundBite coming in here,

1740
01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:42,439
Speaker 3: because Kevin, it looks like they have a solution or

1741
01:17:42,479 --> 01:17:44,680
Speaker 3: they have some ideas they're running around that they want

1742
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:47,120
Speaker 3: to get a response from the general public with.

1743
01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:50,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, according to Shamas, there's three proposals, and I feel

1744
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:52,639
Speaker 2: like the more the more you go down the list,

1745
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 2: the more convoluted that they get. So I don't know

1746
01:17:55,439 --> 01:17:57,240
Speaker 2: if we have time to go into the deep details

1747
01:17:57,280 --> 01:17:58,560
Speaker 2: of all of them, but I will tell you the

1748
01:17:58,600 --> 01:17:59,479
Speaker 2: one that I like the most.

1749
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:02,679
Speaker 4: They're at them. It's proposal number one. So eighteen teams

1750
01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:05,679
Speaker 4: that make them missed the postseason, well, the ten teams

1751
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:08,200
Speaker 4: that missed the play in tournament, along with the other

1752
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:10,800
Speaker 4: teams who actually were play in teams. So what you

1753
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:12,760
Speaker 4: would have is the bottom ten teams. So the teams

1754
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:14,040
Speaker 4: that don't qualify.

1755
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:15,960
Speaker 2: For anything, you didn't make the play in you simply

1756
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:18,960
Speaker 2: missed the playoffs completely. You have an equal eight percent

1757
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:21,800
Speaker 2: chance of moving up in the lottery. The remaining twenty

1758
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:24,400
Speaker 2: percent of the odds are split among the eight play

1759
01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:27,519
Speaker 2: in teams in descending order from number eleven through eighteen.

1760
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:30,519
Speaker 2: Of the three proposals, that's probably one that I like

1761
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:33,080
Speaker 2: most because it flattens the odds for the teams that

1762
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:36,080
Speaker 2: missed the playoffs entirely, while also throwing a bone to

1763
01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:37,599
Speaker 2: the teams that make the play in as well.

1764
01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:42,960
Speaker 3: So how many teams get here the odds all.

1765
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:45,720
Speaker 4: Ten teams that did not make the play in. It

1766
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:47,439
Speaker 4: flattens the odds for all of those teams.

1767
01:18:47,479 --> 01:18:50,000
Speaker 2: So there's no incentive for if you're Utah and you

1768
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:52,519
Speaker 2: missed the playoffs, or if you're whoever sitting on the

1769
01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:54,680
Speaker 2: outside looking into the play in right now, you'd have

1770
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:55,719
Speaker 2: the exact same odds.

1771
01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:58,639
Speaker 3: That was always the quickest fix, just flatten the odds.

1772
01:18:59,160 --> 01:18:59,840
Speaker 4: That's what I said.

1773
01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:03,479
Speaker 3: Not doing it for the most like, not doing it

1774
01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:07,160
Speaker 3: for every team makes more sense to me because I

1775
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:10,320
Speaker 3: do think something is getting lost here, and it's that

1776
01:19:11,240 --> 01:19:15,360
Speaker 3: the draft is used in sports for bad teams to

1777
01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:18,320
Speaker 3: have a chance to get better, right, And I think

1778
01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:20,680
Speaker 3: people are forgetting about that in all of this, Like

1779
01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:22,840
Speaker 3: there are markets that are never going to be able

1780
01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:26,280
Speaker 3: to attract big time free agents that their chance to

1781
01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:29,840
Speaker 3: have a transformative franchise player is only through the draft,

1782
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:33,719
Speaker 3: and I do think that's important for the competitive balance

1783
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:37,160
Speaker 3: of the NBA and for just at least giving the

1784
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:40,920
Speaker 3: illusion that everybody has a chance going into the season

1785
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:44,680
Speaker 3: or at some point your team also can win the

1786
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:48,639
Speaker 3: entire thing. That's what Commissioner Adam Silver is about. He's

1787
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:52,920
Speaker 3: less concerned about dynasties. We've had seven different teams win

1788
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:54,960
Speaker 3: the NBA Championship the last seven years.

1789
01:19:55,160 --> 01:19:57,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, one thing this is not part of the proposal,

1790
01:19:57,040 --> 01:19:58,559
Speaker 4: But one thing I've thought about too, is what if

1791
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:00,400
Speaker 4: you just took the teams with the two rests records

1792
01:20:00,439 --> 01:20:02,040
Speaker 4: and just gave them the worst odds of getting the

1793
01:20:02,120 --> 01:20:03,800
Speaker 4: top pick in the draft. You still have a chance,

1794
01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:05,720
Speaker 4: but now it actually incentivizes you.

1795
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:07,880
Speaker 2: With this late in the season, I'm gonna bust my

1796
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 2: ass to try to win because right now, the worst

1797
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:12,240
Speaker 2: teams in the league, I'd say, the team with the

1798
01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:15,000
Speaker 2: worst record and the team with like the four worst

1799
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:17,040
Speaker 2: record are like two and a half three games apart.

1800
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:19,680
Speaker 4: So it would give you something actually to strive for

1801
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:21,320
Speaker 4: and play for. I don't want to be one of.

1802
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:24,120
Speaker 2: The two worst teams because that actually decreases my odds

1803
01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:26,960
Speaker 2: of getting the top pick of the draft. You're disincentivizing

1804
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:28,640
Speaker 2: losing if you do something like that. It could be

1805
01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:29,320
Speaker 2: as simple as that.

1806
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:33,439
Speaker 3: I will say this tonight was an interesting one, and

1807
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:36,000
Speaker 3: it's not just about the Clippers Pacers game with Jay

1808
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 3: Huff missing those free throws when they're trying to hold

1809
01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:40,880
Speaker 3: on to a top four protected pick that would otherwise

1810
01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:43,640
Speaker 3: go to the Clippers. What happened to Downtown LA in

1811
01:20:43,800 --> 01:20:46,240
Speaker 3: Los Angeles. There was a very competitive game going on

1812
01:20:46,360 --> 01:20:48,599
Speaker 3: where the Brooklyn Nets were leading for some time over

1813
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:52,000
Speaker 3: the Lakers until the very end where they seem to

1814
01:20:52,120 --> 01:20:53,920
Speaker 3: fall apart a little bit. Now, I don't think the

1815
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:56,760
Speaker 3: players out there are doing any of the taking. Same

1816
01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:58,560
Speaker 3: with Jay Huff. I don't think guys will do that.

1817
01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:00,000
Speaker 3: They want to play hard, they want to put out

1818
01:21:00,160 --> 01:21:02,680
Speaker 3: good tape. I don't think they care about some new

1819
01:21:02,760 --> 01:21:05,120
Speaker 3: guy being drafted that could take their spot. It doesn't

1820
01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:08,960
Speaker 3: make a lot of sense. But you can institutionally tank

1821
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:12,040
Speaker 3: by not putting out the best lineups. Memphis battled hard

1822
01:21:12,040 --> 01:21:16,360
Speaker 3: against Houston, ended up losing late. Utah battled with Denver

1823
01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:19,000
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, like Philipowski was not on

1824
01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:21,160
Speaker 3: the floor anymore and he had twenty five points. Like

1825
01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:25,439
Speaker 3: they are not playing the best players late purposefully, I think, and.

1826
01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:27,920
Speaker 2: That is an issue that Nets Lakers game. The Nets

1827
01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:30,880
Speaker 2: set all of their starters the entire fourth quarter. Terrible

1828
01:21:31,200 --> 01:21:36,200
Speaker 2: coming back. That's right, final hour of F and A

1829
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:40,920
Speaker 2: on FSR. Here on this Saturday morning at k FIG

1830
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:42,200
Speaker 2: one is where you can find me. On next you

1831
01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:44,479
Speaker 2: can find Adam at follow adam A. Thanks again to

1832
01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 2: Andy McCullough from the Athletics senior baseball writer, for joining

1833
01:21:47,439 --> 01:21:51,360
Speaker 2: us in the last hour talking about the baseball I

1834
01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:53,320
Speaker 2: was gonna say upcoming baseball season, but it's here.

1835
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:57,439
Speaker 3: The grind has begun, Adam asked David Besse, our friend. Yeah,

1836
01:21:57,680 --> 01:22:02,639
Speaker 3: order with the Dodgers. Who Elizabeth knows? That was amazing

1837
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:02,960
Speaker 3: to me.

1838
01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:07,040
Speaker 4: What late night show was she on? I don't remember

1839
01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:09,200
Speaker 4: if it was Colbert, it was one of them. She

1840
01:22:09,400 --> 01:22:10,040
Speaker 4: shouted out.

1841
01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:14,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, she says she's sitting in bed at night or

1842
01:22:14,200 --> 01:22:16,800
Speaker 2: whatever watching the Dodger post game shows.

1843
01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:17,759
Speaker 4: That's not sexual.

1844
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:19,800
Speaker 2: Well, you know, brought up the Dodger post game show

1845
01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:21,400
Speaker 2: when she mentioned that Dave and how good Dave is

1846
01:22:21,439 --> 01:22:23,400
Speaker 2: and how much crap Dodger players give him.

1847
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:25,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, she wasn't sure if it was a joke or

1848
01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:28,479
Speaker 3: they really just hate him. We might talk some more

1849
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:31,599
Speaker 3: hardball coming up, and if anybody can beat the Dodgers

1850
01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:33,160
Speaker 3: this season, they're two and oh.

1851
01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:34,120
Speaker 4: Welcome back to hardball.

1852
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:38,840
Speaker 3: But Kevin had a great idea jumping off of the

1853
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:43,360
Speaker 3: Caleb versus George Gerban situation.

1854
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:45,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, and for those I'm sure you're aware, but if

1855
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:48,760
Speaker 4: you're not aware, So, Caleb Williams earlier this week trademarked

1856
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:52,560
Speaker 4: actually it was late last week, actually trademarked the name Iceman,

1857
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:56,080
Speaker 4: which and apparently he's been using or been encouraged to

1858
01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:58,280
Speaker 4: use this moniker, which I haven't heard. Have you heard

1859
01:22:58,280 --> 01:23:01,000
Speaker 4: anybody call or even a who to call in Caleb.

1860
01:23:00,840 --> 01:23:03,439
Speaker 2: Williams the Iceman over these past couple of seasons. I've

1861
01:23:03,479 --> 01:23:05,080
Speaker 2: never heard of that. That's the weird part.

1862
01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:08,040
Speaker 3: First of all, this was the only season where he

1863
01:23:08,120 --> 01:23:12,560
Speaker 3: could have even broached a nickname like that because the

1864
01:23:12,640 --> 01:23:16,080
Speaker 3: Bears had a magical run there. They did their thing,

1865
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:20,880
Speaker 3: and he made some absolutely clutch throws out there late

1866
01:23:22,200 --> 01:23:24,519
Speaker 3: and I think he did do a burr type of

1867
01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:27,439
Speaker 3: thing where he was like Trey Young would grab his

1868
01:23:27,560 --> 01:23:30,600
Speaker 3: shoulders and do the ice tray little dance, and it

1869
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:33,720
Speaker 3: felt like Caleb Williams was doing some version of that

1870
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:36,439
Speaker 3: at times when he made a big throw late in

1871
01:23:36,479 --> 01:23:36,800
Speaker 3: the game.

1872
01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:38,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had never And if you're a Bears fan,

1873
01:23:38,840 --> 01:23:42,599
Speaker 2: that happens to be listening. Mark Ramsey, you're a Bears fan,

1874
01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:44,800
Speaker 2: had you heard anything about Caleb Williams being the ice

1875
01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:46,080
Speaker 2: being the Iceman or anything.

1876
01:23:46,160 --> 01:23:49,040
Speaker 14: I hadn't heard that I've heard, and I've read some

1877
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:52,240
Speaker 14: things about you know, that was a nan that was

1878
01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:54,799
Speaker 14: brought up, but there was a way during the season

1879
01:23:54,920 --> 01:23:58,320
Speaker 14: about him being the Iceman, but never to the point

1880
01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:01,800
Speaker 14: of trying to take over the original don't change it,

1881
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:04,000
Speaker 14: the real iceman from Basketball Boy.

1882
01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:07,360
Speaker 3: You're saying they were giving him that name that was

1883
01:24:07,439 --> 01:24:09,799
Speaker 3: being thrown around to the locker room references.

1884
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:12,400
Speaker 14: I was reading someone that that they were throwing it

1885
01:24:12,479 --> 01:24:15,960
Speaker 14: around calling him the iceman because of his you know,

1886
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:19,640
Speaker 14: last quarter, yeah, being superman some.

1887
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:20,920
Speaker 4: Late game herogues, which he was.

1888
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:22,720
Speaker 2: He along with Bonnicks, I think might have had the

1889
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:25,280
Speaker 2: two best like clutch numbers as far as fourth quarter

1890
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:28,720
Speaker 2: comebacks and all that last season. Maybe in the locker room, Mark,

1891
01:24:28,720 --> 01:24:31,240
Speaker 2: You're right, but like publicly speaking, I hadn't heard anybody

1892
01:24:31,320 --> 01:24:33,360
Speaker 2: talk about it to that degree, to a point to

1893
01:24:33,400 --> 01:24:36,120
Speaker 2: where he's actually trying to trademark the moniker. So then

1894
01:24:36,160 --> 01:24:38,080
Speaker 2: they contact George Gerber and he's like, what the hell,

1895
01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:40,360
Speaker 2: I've been the Iceman for forty years, that are.

1896
01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:42,439
Speaker 4: You talking about. I'm the Iceman.

1897
01:24:42,600 --> 01:24:45,120
Speaker 3: I had the poster, he did it, and it was cold,

1898
01:24:45,479 --> 01:24:49,080
Speaker 3: and it was a phenomenal poster for a phenomenal player.

1899
01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:51,600
Speaker 2: So then he comes out a week later and he

1900
01:24:51,720 --> 01:24:54,200
Speaker 2: tries to trademark the term Iceman, And now there's going

1901
01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:55,680
Speaker 2: to be a whole legal battle over it. And I

1902
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:58,519
Speaker 2: did see one legal expert who was interviewed about it

1903
01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:01,360
Speaker 2: and said, you know, even though Caleb trademarked it first

1904
01:25:01,479 --> 01:25:04,719
Speaker 2: with the with the US Patent Office, because George Gervin

1905
01:25:04,760 --> 01:25:07,200
Speaker 2: has used the name and the moniker for so long,

1906
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:10,519
Speaker 2: he probably has a leg to stand on legally to

1907
01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:13,400
Speaker 2: where a judge might actually rule that he can trademark

1908
01:25:13,479 --> 01:25:15,200
Speaker 2: it over Caleb Williams.

1909
01:25:15,479 --> 01:25:19,920
Speaker 3: Now, let's say Valcomer was still alive. What about his

1910
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:24,400
Speaker 3: code name Iceman, that's a fighter pilot. What would he

1911
01:25:24,479 --> 01:25:26,280
Speaker 3: have to say about that? Who, by the way, is

1912
01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:28,280
Speaker 3: going to be the first AI actor. I guess in

1913
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:32,280
Speaker 3: a movie that was his wish. We'll see how that goes.

1914
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:38,200
Speaker 3: But uh, I am a little bit sympathetic to Caleb

1915
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:41,800
Speaker 3: Williams only from this angle. George, what the hell were

1916
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:45,120
Speaker 3: you doing? Why didn't you trademarket that is years ago?

1917
01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:48,439
Speaker 2: After all these years, that never got into his hand

1918
01:25:48,479 --> 01:25:50,519
Speaker 2: from somebody to say, hey, maybe she just trademarked that,

1919
01:25:50,640 --> 01:25:52,719
Speaker 2: and do a whole campaign of just to be safe.

1920
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:57,680
Speaker 3: He never made money off the Iceman moniker and really not,

1921
01:25:58,720 --> 01:25:59,160
Speaker 3: I mean.

1922
01:25:59,479 --> 01:26:02,400
Speaker 4: At least officially legally through the patent office, he didn't.

1923
01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:04,920
Speaker 4: That's uh, you could learn a lot from a dummy,

1924
01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:05,840
Speaker 4: and especially the.

1925
01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:08,759
Speaker 2: Way that the way that society works now, anytime anybody

1926
01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:11,120
Speaker 2: has sort of moniker or nickname whatever that can be,

1927
01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:14,880
Speaker 2: you know, monetized, some guy in his mom's basement is

1928
01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:17,519
Speaker 2: gonna is going to try to get the trademark. So

1929
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:19,920
Speaker 2: I'm surprised that nobody over the past fifty years has

1930
01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:21,280
Speaker 2: tried to get the trademark of Iceman.

1931
01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:25,600
Speaker 3: That's brand power and that makes no sense to me.

1932
01:26:25,920 --> 01:26:28,800
Speaker 3: But like Caleb Williams, did he have this on his

1933
01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:30,960
Speaker 3: fingernails at some point and we missed it.

1934
01:26:32,640 --> 01:26:35,839
Speaker 4: Does that work on on ten fingers?

1935
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:37,000
Speaker 3: How many letters is that?

1936
01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:40,000
Speaker 4: Iceman? I don't know.

1937
01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:42,040
Speaker 3: I think you're gonna have to be a little bit

1938
01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:45,680
Speaker 3: more established as being the most clutch player in your

1939
01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:48,280
Speaker 3: sport to have the nickname Iceman.

1940
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:52,720
Speaker 4: That's it's gonna take more than one one playoff run,

1941
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:53,599
Speaker 4: which was good.

1942
01:26:54,040 --> 01:26:57,320
Speaker 3: It's cold in Chicago, it is, we get it. But

1943
01:26:58,160 --> 01:27:00,960
Speaker 3: I don't think that's what you're referring to here. Yeah,

1944
01:27:01,200 --> 01:27:03,680
Speaker 3: I think you're trying to sound cooler than you actually are.

1945
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:05,599
Speaker 3: So far, it's been one good year.

1946
01:27:05,960 --> 01:27:08,280
Speaker 4: One. I got a guy with a body of work,

1947
01:27:08,360 --> 01:27:11,000
Speaker 4: the Iceman, one of the all time greats in NBA history,

1948
01:27:11,040 --> 01:27:12,760
Speaker 4: and I got a guy who's still a kid, who's

1949
01:27:12,760 --> 01:27:15,240
Speaker 4: still learning his stripes. Here in the NFL, you're not

1950
01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:16,000
Speaker 4: a Hall of Famer.

1951
01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:19,040
Speaker 3: You're not on track to be a Hall of Famer

1952
01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:20,280
Speaker 3: one year.

1953
01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:22,719
Speaker 4: That's nothing in the NFL.

1954
01:27:22,840 --> 01:27:25,560
Speaker 3: That is not for long. I thinks could go the

1955
01:27:25,640 --> 01:27:27,120
Speaker 3: other way very quickly.

1956
01:27:27,120 --> 01:27:28,880
Speaker 2: And they often do. And I'm hoping that does not

1957
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:31,400
Speaker 2: happen for Caleb because I like the kid. I love

1958
01:27:31,479 --> 01:27:33,920
Speaker 2: watching him play. I mean, he's spectacular, is phenomenal athlete,

1959
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:35,920
Speaker 2: all that. But let's cool it a little bit.

1960
01:27:36,439 --> 01:27:39,960
Speaker 3: Just because your head coach's nickname is Big Johnson, Big

1961
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:41,600
Speaker 3: Ben Johnson, doesn't.

1962
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:42,000
Speaker 1: Mean you know.

1963
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:46,920
Speaker 3: You're gonna be supported enough. I know he was great

1964
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:49,559
Speaker 3: this season. It was a match made in Chicago Heaven.

1965
01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:52,680
Speaker 3: But it could be one of those I saw. Was

1966
01:27:52,760 --> 01:27:54,559
Speaker 3: it Jim Miller who had that.

1967
01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:57,120
Speaker 4: Big season with them? Rex Grossman in a big season

1968
01:27:57,240 --> 01:27:57,680
Speaker 4: here and there?

1969
01:27:57,840 --> 01:28:01,439
Speaker 2: Big season with Jim Miller is strong. That defense carried

1970
01:28:01,479 --> 01:28:03,600
Speaker 2: them and the A train Anthony Thomas. Jim Miller was

1971
01:28:03,680 --> 01:28:05,320
Speaker 2: kind of a caretaker at that point. I don't know

1972
01:28:05,320 --> 01:28:06,360
Speaker 2: if I'd say he had a big year.

1973
01:28:06,479 --> 01:28:08,320
Speaker 3: I thought maybe he made a Pro Bowl and then

1974
01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:10,840
Speaker 3: got busted for Royd's. But I could be wrong. Not

1975
01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:13,800
Speaker 3: about the Royd's part. I'm pretty sure about that. I'd

1976
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:16,439
Speaker 3: say that's in their back ever to get busted for Royds, I'd.

1977
01:28:16,280 --> 01:28:17,840
Speaker 4: Say that's an indictment on the Pro Bowl.

1978
01:28:17,880 --> 01:28:19,280
Speaker 2: But I mean, the Pro Bowl itself has been a

1979
01:28:19,360 --> 01:28:21,599
Speaker 2: joke for the past twenty years, So what difference doesn't

1980
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:22,000
Speaker 2: make That.

1981
01:28:22,160 --> 01:28:25,600
Speaker 3: Was out of playmakers or any given Sunday a quarterback

1982
01:28:26,360 --> 01:28:32,680
Speaker 3: he busted for performance and handswers ridiculous. Yeah, but it's

1983
01:28:32,720 --> 01:28:35,360
Speaker 3: a bad Look, when you're giving yourself a nickname. Now,

1984
01:28:35,439 --> 01:28:38,360
Speaker 3: if all the Bears rally around this his teammates and

1985
01:28:38,600 --> 01:28:41,760
Speaker 3: is that well known in the locker room, you still

1986
01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:44,320
Speaker 3: would think that it would be more well known throughout

1987
01:28:44,320 --> 01:28:45,920
Speaker 3: the fan base, and we would have picked on it

1988
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:46,439
Speaker 3: at some point.

1989
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:49,439
Speaker 4: I would leak out somewhere, somebody would pick up on

1990
01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:50,439
Speaker 4: it somewhere, like.

1991
01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:53,400
Speaker 3: If it doesn't reach the NFL six pack, does it

1992
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:56,680
Speaker 3: even exist? Are we sure that somebody really could have

1993
01:28:56,720 --> 01:28:59,200
Speaker 3: had that nickname if we weren't on top of this story?

1994
01:29:00,720 --> 01:29:02,800
Speaker 2: So Jim Miller's big we'll get into the nicknames in

1995
01:29:02,840 --> 01:29:04,519
Speaker 2: the second, since you brought it up. So two thousand

1996
01:29:04,520 --> 01:29:06,040
Speaker 2: and one, that was the year that the Bears had

1997
01:29:06,080 --> 01:29:07,400
Speaker 2: to be had a big year. They made it the

1998
01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:10,640
Speaker 2: playoffs and all that. Jim Miller's bigsy big year all right.

1999
01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:14,840
Speaker 2: Completed fifty seven percent of his passes twenty two and

2000
01:29:14,960 --> 01:29:19,200
Speaker 2: ninety nine yards, thirteen touchdowns, ten interceptions.

2001
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:22,519
Speaker 4: Now, wait, that was his big year. That was the

2002
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:23,599
Speaker 4: best year of his career.

2003
01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:27,560
Speaker 3: Did Caleb Williams just become the first quarterback to go

2004
01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:28,280
Speaker 3: for three.

2005
01:29:28,200 --> 01:29:32,240
Speaker 2: K I know he had the single season record for

2006
01:29:32,360 --> 01:29:35,519
Speaker 2: passing yards in Bears history, I believe, or at least was.

2007
01:29:35,560 --> 01:29:36,519
Speaker 4: Knocking on the door of it.

2008
01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:41,720
Speaker 3: I thought there was a real milestone that he obtained

2009
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:46,200
Speaker 3: this season that he was heading towards. Ooh, so he

2010
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:49,880
Speaker 3: got to three nine hundred and forty two yards, so

2011
01:29:50,040 --> 01:29:53,040
Speaker 3: maybe it was four k and he didn't reach it.

2012
01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:58,240
Speaker 3: And you want to be called the iceman and you

2013
01:29:58,320 --> 01:29:59,719
Speaker 3: want to be my latex salesman.

2014
01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:02,400
Speaker 4: Now he is, I did. I just looked it up.

2015
01:30:02,439 --> 01:30:05,720
Speaker 2: So he is the franchise leader in passing yards for

2016
01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:09,559
Speaker 2: a single season. Caleb, Eric Kramer and then Jay Cutler.

2017
01:30:10,360 --> 01:30:16,440
Speaker 3: I don't know if I I just Caleb. Caleb Williams

2018
01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:20,800
Speaker 3: had a great year. He also is probably in the

2019
01:30:20,960 --> 01:30:26,040
Speaker 3: ninety ninth percentile of volatile quarterbacks I have seen in

2020
01:30:26,160 --> 01:30:29,360
Speaker 3: the league ever that it could swing one way or

2021
01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:32,280
Speaker 3: the other from amazing to disastrous.

2022
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:35,519
Speaker 2: Well, consider how much we praised him. I know, like

2023
01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:37,360
Speaker 2: I praised him throughout the season. I thought he was

2024
01:30:37,560 --> 01:30:39,280
Speaker 2: on the up upswing and he was doing well in

2025
01:30:39,360 --> 01:30:40,200
Speaker 2: Ben Johnson's offense.

2026
01:30:40,320 --> 01:30:44,400
Speaker 4: This is your fault. I probably did enable a lot

2027
01:30:44,439 --> 01:30:47,559
Speaker 4: of this. George Sue Sue Kevin Is said he.

2028
01:30:47,680 --> 01:30:50,360
Speaker 2: Only completed like fifty seven percent of his passes last year,

2029
01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:52,040
Speaker 2: which in today's NFL is horrible.

2030
01:30:52,360 --> 01:30:54,840
Speaker 3: Man, Like, I would have thought he had had more

2031
01:30:54,920 --> 01:30:58,720
Speaker 3: checkdowns in there to at least be like sixty three percent. No,

2032
01:30:59,320 --> 01:31:01,840
Speaker 3: that's a little bit alarming. Now, was he pushing the

2033
01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:04,519
Speaker 3: ball down the field more? I don't know how he

2034
01:31:04,640 --> 01:31:05,719
Speaker 3: raided on pro football?

2035
01:31:06,200 --> 01:31:07,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have to look at his air yards per

2036
01:31:07,960 --> 01:31:09,600
Speaker 2: game and all that. I don't necessarily have all that

2037
01:31:09,680 --> 01:31:12,799
Speaker 2: in front of me. Fifty eight point fifty eight percent past.

2038
01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:13,519
Speaker 4: He was last season.

2039
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:19,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's I just body of work man.

2040
01:31:19,560 --> 01:31:19,760
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2041
01:31:21,320 --> 01:31:24,280
Speaker 3: Remember, we used to give Kobe a hard time because

2042
01:31:24,320 --> 01:31:28,640
Speaker 3: it seemed like the Black Mamba nickname came from himself, right,

2043
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:31,760
Speaker 3: Kobe also was already a Hall of Famer by the

2044
01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:35,720
Speaker 3: time that nickname came out, and instead we were going

2045
01:31:35,800 --> 01:31:38,120
Speaker 3: after who was it de Anthony Thomas, who was the

2046
01:31:38,200 --> 01:31:40,440
Speaker 3: corner with the Oregon Ducks.

2047
01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:44,240
Speaker 2: That was calling running back the Black Mamba from out

2048
01:31:44,280 --> 01:31:46,280
Speaker 2: southern California had Anthony Thomas, Yes.

2049
01:31:48,080 --> 01:31:51,559
Speaker 3: And everybody was like, whoa, that's Kobe's nickname. You got

2050
01:31:51,640 --> 01:31:52,280
Speaker 3: some hutzpah.

2051
01:31:52,560 --> 01:31:54,360
Speaker 2: And Kobe had had the name for like two or

2052
01:31:54,360 --> 01:31:56,839
Speaker 2: three years by the time Anthony Thomas. Now I believe

2053
01:31:57,640 --> 01:31:59,120
Speaker 2: other people bestowed.

2054
01:31:58,760 --> 01:31:59,280
Speaker 4: That on him.

2055
01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:01,080
Speaker 2: I don't want to put that on de Anthony, but

2056
01:32:01,200 --> 01:32:02,840
Speaker 2: I feel like he didn't do a whole lot to

2057
01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:04,000
Speaker 2: like just spell it either.

2058
01:32:04,200 --> 01:32:09,799
Speaker 3: Okay, maybe it was homage, but I think.

2059
01:32:10,120 --> 01:32:12,040
Speaker 2: To pay homage to a guy who's still playing and

2060
01:32:12,160 --> 01:32:14,519
Speaker 2: you take his nickname, you know how.

2061
01:32:14,520 --> 01:32:17,040
Speaker 4: Craty he is RP. Kobe Bryant.

2062
01:32:17,080 --> 01:32:19,600
Speaker 3: I think part of the reason he probably did that

2063
01:32:20,560 --> 01:32:24,280
Speaker 3: Kobe is because he wanted to be a businessman, and

2064
01:32:24,479 --> 01:32:27,240
Speaker 3: he started coming out with a peril that had the

2065
01:32:27,280 --> 01:32:30,759
Speaker 3: snake emblem on it. He was branding so that nickname

2066
01:32:30,880 --> 01:32:34,439
Speaker 3: tied into it. So Caleb Williams could just be looking

2067
01:32:34,479 --> 01:32:37,040
Speaker 3: at this from a pure business perspective, and he does

2068
01:32:37,120 --> 01:32:40,200
Speaker 3: not give an f what we think if he deserves

2069
01:32:40,280 --> 01:32:42,760
Speaker 3: the nickname or not. He knows if he can make

2070
01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:46,280
Speaker 3: a buck off of it or a million, a few million,

2071
01:32:46,760 --> 01:32:48,040
Speaker 3: that's all that really matters.

2072
01:32:48,200 --> 01:32:50,360
Speaker 2: I mean, if I were in his position, I'd do

2073
01:32:50,439 --> 01:32:52,040
Speaker 2: the same damn thing. So I don't care what these

2074
01:32:52,040 --> 01:32:53,880
Speaker 2: old people on radio are talking about. When it comes

2075
01:32:53,920 --> 01:32:56,880
Speaker 2: to George Gervin. I wasn't even born when George Gervin played,

2076
01:32:57,040 --> 01:32:59,840
Speaker 2: by the way, neither was I but still he had

2077
01:32:59,880 --> 01:33:02,559
Speaker 2: that finger roll Easteorg did one of the prettiest shots

2078
01:33:02,560 --> 01:33:02,960
Speaker 2: in the NBA.

2079
01:33:03,040 --> 01:33:05,800
Speaker 3: He was the original Kevin Durant in some ways. Yeah,

2080
01:33:05,960 --> 01:33:07,320
Speaker 3: with that size moving like that.

2081
01:33:08,120 --> 01:33:11,879
Speaker 2: So to spin off of that whole discussion about the Iceman,

2082
01:33:11,960 --> 01:33:14,120
Speaker 2: it got me to thinking about some of the best

2083
01:33:14,240 --> 01:33:16,559
Speaker 2: nicknames in the history of sports, and there have been

2084
01:33:16,640 --> 01:33:18,679
Speaker 2: so many throughout the years. You mentioned the Black Mamba

2085
01:33:18,720 --> 01:33:21,640
Speaker 2: with Kobe Bryant, Air Jordan obviously a popular one, the

2086
01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:24,040
Speaker 2: Male Man with Karl Malone, which I found maybe ironic

2087
01:33:24,040 --> 01:33:27,000
Speaker 2: because the Mailman always delivers except in the NBA Finals.

2088
01:33:27,240 --> 01:33:29,040
Speaker 4: But anyway, well that was I.

2089
01:33:29,160 --> 01:33:32,160
Speaker 3: Think Scottie Pippott in Game one in ninety seven gave

2090
01:33:32,280 --> 01:33:34,639
Speaker 3: him like a little talking to as he was going

2091
01:33:34,680 --> 01:33:36,760
Speaker 3: to the free throw line and he's it was a

2092
01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:39,439
Speaker 3: Sunday game to start off the finals, and he told

2093
01:33:39,520 --> 01:33:42,360
Speaker 3: him in his ear mail Man don't deliver on Sundays,

2094
01:33:43,600 --> 01:33:45,360
Speaker 3: and it got to him and he missed a free

2095
01:33:45,439 --> 01:33:49,720
Speaker 3: throw late. Honestly, I think that's what that happened. Yeah,

2096
01:33:49,800 --> 01:33:52,520
Speaker 3: and then Jason Williams White Chocolate.

2097
01:33:53,080 --> 01:33:54,880
Speaker 4: The other the other guy who had some mother uh

2098
01:33:54,960 --> 01:33:57,559
Speaker 4: oh talk about that. Okay, just making sure.

2099
01:33:57,920 --> 01:34:01,760
Speaker 3: My Jason Williams, who had slightly less issues. Uh, No,

2100
01:34:02,080 --> 01:34:04,280
Speaker 3: he had him though he certainly had his share in

2101
01:34:04,360 --> 01:34:07,840
Speaker 3: the ninety nine playoffs against Utah, with the Kings making

2102
01:34:07,920 --> 01:34:10,679
Speaker 3: it in the shortened season of fifty game season where

2103
01:34:10,680 --> 01:34:12,920
Speaker 3: they had to play back to back to backs three

2104
01:34:12,960 --> 01:34:16,679
Speaker 3: games in a row. Sometimes, Uh, he padded Carl Malone

2105
01:34:16,760 --> 01:34:19,040
Speaker 3: on the butt at the free throw line to try

2106
01:34:19,080 --> 01:34:22,120
Speaker 3: to psych him out. Once it didn't work, he made

2107
01:34:22,160 --> 01:34:23,599
Speaker 3: it and the Kings lost that series.

2108
01:34:24,439 --> 01:34:25,840
Speaker 2: I think I do a little bit more than Patton

2109
01:34:25,840 --> 01:34:27,360
Speaker 2: and a professional athlete on the butt to try to

2110
01:34:27,360 --> 01:34:28,040
Speaker 2: psyke him out there.

2111
01:34:28,120 --> 01:34:29,880
Speaker 4: Jay will like it was.

2112
01:34:30,680 --> 01:34:32,880
Speaker 3: It was a teasent attempt. I laughed at the time.

2113
01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:34,880
Speaker 2: You gotta you gotta go straight, like z Bo to

2114
01:34:34,920 --> 01:34:37,160
Speaker 2: DeMarcus Cousins to say a bully bullies, that's how you

2115
01:34:37,200 --> 01:34:38,400
Speaker 2: get in somebody's head right there.

2116
01:34:38,920 --> 01:34:42,680
Speaker 3: Or KG to Carmela. Okay, uh, maybe not too far,

2117
01:34:43,360 --> 01:34:44,320
Speaker 3: maybe a bridge too far?

2118
01:34:45,040 --> 01:34:47,280
Speaker 4: All right? So favorite nicknames here all time?

2119
01:34:47,560 --> 01:34:49,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, So for me, like, I like the ones that

2120
01:34:49,360 --> 01:34:51,920
Speaker 2: actually have narratives behind them outside of just sounding cool.

2121
01:34:52,360 --> 01:34:55,120
Speaker 2: So do you know the story behind Darryl Dawkins Chocolate Thunder?

2122
01:34:55,720 --> 01:34:55,840
Speaker 12: Uh?

2123
01:34:56,439 --> 01:34:59,200
Speaker 3: Was it because he broke the backboard and there was

2124
01:34:59,360 --> 01:35:01,720
Speaker 3: raining down glass all over him.

2125
01:35:01,880 --> 01:35:03,880
Speaker 2: To a certain degree, yes, but do you know who

2126
01:35:03,920 --> 01:35:08,320
Speaker 2: gave it to him? Someone who can't even see Stevie Wonder.

2127
01:35:08,920 --> 01:35:10,960
Speaker 2: You realize that Stevie Wonder is the one who gave

2128
01:35:11,040 --> 01:35:12,839
Speaker 2: Daryl Dawkins the Chocolate Thunder nickname.

2129
01:35:12,920 --> 01:35:14,519
Speaker 3: You might want to talk to Shaq about if he

2130
01:35:14,560 --> 01:35:15,120
Speaker 3: can see.

2131
01:35:14,920 --> 01:35:15,160
Speaker 1: It or not.

2132
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:19,799
Speaker 4: Well, based on what we assume that we know, Stevie

2133
01:35:19,880 --> 01:35:20,679
Speaker 4: Wonder can't see.

2134
01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:22,519
Speaker 2: And so he's had a basketball game with one of

2135
01:35:22,600 --> 01:35:24,960
Speaker 2: his friends and Darryl Dawkins is just putting on the show,

2136
01:35:25,040 --> 01:35:28,200
Speaker 2: throwing down dunk's left and right, and his friend.

2137
01:35:28,600 --> 01:35:32,160
Speaker 4: Stevie's friend did not know Darryl's name. They weren't.

2138
01:35:32,200 --> 01:35:33,960
Speaker 2: He wasn't a big NBA fan. He was like, man,

2139
01:35:34,400 --> 01:35:36,640
Speaker 2: that chocolate guys really is balling. Man, He's thrown it

2140
01:35:36,680 --> 01:35:38,760
Speaker 2: down left their right. He's thundering down on the rim.

2141
01:35:39,160 --> 01:35:41,639
Speaker 4: So Stevie Wonder was like, oh, all right, Chocolate Thunder.

2142
01:35:41,680 --> 01:35:42,160
Speaker 4: I like that name.

2143
01:35:42,240 --> 01:35:44,719
Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and call him Chocolate Thunder. Darryl Dawkins

2144
01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:48,639
Speaker 2: told that story himself. So his Chocolate Thunder moniker came

2145
01:35:48,960 --> 01:35:51,479
Speaker 2: from someone who could never even actually physically see Hi

2146
01:35:51,560 --> 01:35:52,200
Speaker 2: Dunk allegedly.

2147
01:35:52,680 --> 01:35:56,920
Speaker 3: Okay, that's incredible, and I do believe Stevie Wonder is

2148
01:35:57,000 --> 01:36:00,000
Speaker 3: actually blonde. Yes, after that Cat Williams joke came out

2149
01:36:00,160 --> 01:36:06,080
Speaker 3: recently about his dead grass around his house. I'm sorry that.

2150
01:36:06,200 --> 01:36:08,120
Speaker 4: Has had a lot of interesting things the last few years.

2151
01:36:09,160 --> 01:36:12,560
Speaker 3: You know what, his new special not that great, No,

2152
01:36:12,840 --> 01:36:14,840
Speaker 3: I'm not sure he was. It was kind of a

2153
01:36:14,920 --> 01:36:17,719
Speaker 3: mailing job, the male man, and we'll give him that nickname.

2154
01:36:17,800 --> 01:36:19,639
Speaker 4: Now I'll give you another one too.

2155
01:36:20,280 --> 01:36:24,120
Speaker 2: I love Reggie White, the Minister of Defense, because outside

2156
01:36:24,160 --> 01:36:26,840
Speaker 2: of being a phenomenal Hall of Fame football player, he

2157
01:36:27,040 --> 01:36:28,200
Speaker 2: was a ordained minister.

2158
01:36:28,520 --> 01:36:33,439
Speaker 4: He was a legitimate pastor. So yeah, man, the Minister

2159
01:36:33,520 --> 01:36:34,200
Speaker 4: of Defense, and.

2160
01:36:34,240 --> 01:36:36,280
Speaker 3: Then beat your ass on the football fields.

2161
01:36:36,400 --> 01:36:37,760
Speaker 2: And then he would tell you after he would beat

2162
01:36:37,800 --> 01:36:40,439
Speaker 2: the defensive tackle and sack the quarterback, he tell the quarterback, man,

2163
01:36:40,479 --> 01:36:45,960
Speaker 2: I'm praying for you a big reflex. That's the best

2164
01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:49,080
Speaker 2: trash talk right there. Forget the bleeping somebody talking about

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Speaker 2: mothers and all that stuff.

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Speaker 4: It was that, man, I pray for you. Now, before

2167
01:36:53,840 --> 01:36:55,760
Speaker 4: what happened was the wrath of God. I wanted to

2168
01:36:55,800 --> 01:37:00,240
Speaker 4: show you that and uh, now here's that mercy talking

2169
01:37:00,280 --> 01:37:04,000
Speaker 4: about all right.

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Speaker 3: A couple of my favorites, the big hurt Frank Thomas,

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01:37:08,600 --> 01:37:11,360
Speaker 3: who I think has become underrated in a.

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01:37:11,400 --> 01:37:11,960
Speaker 4: Lot of ways.

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01:37:12,120 --> 01:37:15,360
Speaker 3: For sure, he peaked really high for like three or

2174
01:37:15,479 --> 01:37:19,439
Speaker 3: four years, and he was still good around that and

2175
01:37:19,600 --> 01:37:22,080
Speaker 3: even late with like the A's when he got kind

2176
01:37:22,120 --> 01:37:22,479
Speaker 3: of fat.

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01:37:22,680 --> 01:37:24,640
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, the A's went to the Alcs and he

2178
01:37:25,000 --> 01:37:27,000
Speaker 4: was I mean, yeah, he was a little heftier, but

2179
01:37:27,080 --> 01:37:30,040
Speaker 4: he carried them their offense. And this is after the

2180
01:37:30,120 --> 01:37:31,920
Speaker 4: White Sox said he was washed up and let him go.

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01:37:32,520 --> 01:37:35,320
Speaker 3: If only he had those testosterone pills back then, he

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01:37:35,360 --> 01:37:36,280
Speaker 3: would have never gone fat.

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01:37:38,280 --> 01:37:38,720
Speaker 1: But he was.

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01:37:41,120 --> 01:37:44,920
Speaker 3: Ken Griffrey Junior. Also, since I'm sticking with baseball here, Junior,

2185
01:37:45,439 --> 01:37:48,240
Speaker 3: the kid I still can't believe he and his dad

2186
01:37:48,320 --> 01:37:50,400
Speaker 3: went back to back at the plate with home runs.

2187
01:37:50,680 --> 01:37:52,559
Speaker 3: And then the other play where he takes it away

2188
01:37:52,560 --> 01:37:54,439
Speaker 3: from his dad on the fly ball in the outfield,

2189
01:37:54,560 --> 01:37:56,880
Speaker 3: he just snatches it in front of him. That's one

2190
01:37:56,880 --> 01:38:02,559
Speaker 3: of my favorites. Something more recent NFL was I used

2191
01:38:02,560 --> 01:38:06,080
Speaker 3: to love Adrian Peterson all day, all day, yep, I

2192
01:38:06,160 --> 01:38:07,200
Speaker 3: thought that was pretty good.

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01:38:07,400 --> 01:38:08,280
Speaker 4: That was a great one.

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01:38:08,680 --> 01:38:10,960
Speaker 3: Because it did feel like that he was about to

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01:38:11,200 --> 01:38:14,200
Speaker 3: you know, he wore you down early on and then

2196
01:38:14,240 --> 01:38:15,040
Speaker 3: he broke off.

2197
01:38:14,920 --> 01:38:16,799
Speaker 4: Those huge runs later in the ballgame.

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01:38:17,320 --> 01:38:22,880
Speaker 3: Durell revis Revis island is fantastic. That is that's the

2199
01:38:23,040 --> 01:38:26,160
Speaker 3: ultimate sign of respect for a cornerback when you can

2200
01:38:26,200 --> 01:38:28,639
Speaker 3: put a guy on an island like that and he's good.

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01:38:29,040 --> 01:38:30,920
Speaker 3: He don't need any help over the top.

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01:38:32,080 --> 01:38:34,560
Speaker 4: I got one more than Mark. I think you have

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01:38:34,600 --> 01:38:36,040
Speaker 4: a few on Brandon, if you have something you can

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01:38:36,120 --> 01:38:36,599
Speaker 4: chime into.

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01:38:36,960 --> 01:38:40,280
Speaker 2: I love Gilbert Arenas Agent zero and he wore the

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01:38:40,360 --> 01:38:43,719
Speaker 2: number zero because when he was at the Draft combine

2207
01:38:43,720 --> 01:38:46,120
Speaker 2: to remember he was a late second round pick, people

2208
01:38:46,200 --> 01:38:47,600
Speaker 2: told him, I say, the amount of points you were

2209
01:38:47,600 --> 01:38:50,360
Speaker 2: going to score on the NBA is zero. You should

2210
01:38:50,400 --> 01:38:52,120
Speaker 2: look into doing something else because I don't think an

2211
01:38:52,200 --> 01:38:53,560
Speaker 2: NBA career is going to be cut out for you.

2212
01:38:54,400 --> 01:38:56,320
Speaker 4: And so he wore the number.

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01:38:56,240 --> 01:38:58,200
Speaker 2: Zero because people told him he was going to score

2214
01:38:58,280 --> 01:39:00,679
Speaker 2: zero points in his NBA career and ended up scoring

2215
01:39:00,680 --> 01:39:03,000
Speaker 2: a lot more than zero. He could use that as

2216
01:39:03,080 --> 01:39:05,360
Speaker 2: motivation as to put a chip on his shoulder for

2217
01:39:05,479 --> 01:39:07,680
Speaker 2: being a late second round pick to being one of

2218
01:39:07,720 --> 01:39:09,760
Speaker 2: the better scorers scorers of his era.

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01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:14,120
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he was a gunner before you could say, uh, oh,

2220
01:39:14,600 --> 01:39:15,160
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.

2221
01:39:15,479 --> 01:39:18,080
Speaker 4: Well, he didn't play for the Wizards former Bullets. It

2222
01:39:18,240 --> 01:39:20,760
Speaker 4: was that incident in the locker room with he and.

2223
01:39:22,840 --> 01:39:26,840
Speaker 3: But Agent zero before he had microfracture which destroyed him.

2224
01:39:28,160 --> 01:39:30,679
Speaker 3: He was a problem, and I think would be more

2225
01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:35,800
Speaker 3: of a problem in today's league because he was taking

2226
01:39:35,880 --> 01:39:38,600
Speaker 3: a pretty high volume of threes back then, to the

2227
01:39:38,680 --> 01:39:41,920
Speaker 3: point where people thought, you know, it was too much

2228
01:39:42,080 --> 01:39:44,559
Speaker 3: that he was a ball hog. But I actually think

2229
01:39:44,680 --> 01:39:46,960
Speaker 3: analytically he might have been ahead of his time in

2230
01:39:47,000 --> 01:39:47,320
Speaker 3: some ways.

2231
01:39:47,320 --> 01:39:49,880
Speaker 2: So we were say, this was a bastardization. This isn't basketball,

2232
01:39:50,040 --> 01:39:52,639
Speaker 2: this is ridiculous, this is Kobe Bryant on steroids. People

2233
01:39:52,680 --> 01:39:54,519
Speaker 2: were saying, like, Kobe wouldn't even take some of the shots.

2234
01:39:54,560 --> 01:39:57,240
Speaker 2: This guy's taken well and to your and to your point,

2235
01:39:57,880 --> 01:40:00,479
Speaker 2: like if he played in today's NBA, he'd be just

2236
01:40:00,520 --> 01:40:01,960
Speaker 2: as spectacular, if not better.

2237
01:40:02,200 --> 01:40:03,880
Speaker 3: I think he'd be encouraged to take a lot of

2238
01:40:03,920 --> 01:40:07,000
Speaker 3: those shots. And when he dropped sixty at Staples on

2239
01:40:07,280 --> 01:40:10,160
Speaker 3: Kobe and Kobe gave him that respect afterwards and said

2240
01:40:10,520 --> 01:40:13,080
Speaker 3: he was unconscious out there, yep, And then he got

2241
01:40:13,200 --> 01:40:16,640
Speaker 3: him back, but gil still got him in DC that

2242
01:40:16,760 --> 01:40:19,320
Speaker 3: year with that nasty crossover to the hoop on Kobe

2243
01:40:19,360 --> 01:40:22,040
Speaker 3: Bryant too. I mean he was going against the best.

2244
01:40:22,160 --> 01:40:24,880
Speaker 3: There were nights where you felt like Gilbert Arenas was

2245
01:40:24,960 --> 01:40:26,400
Speaker 3: a top three player in the NBA.

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01:40:26,560 --> 01:40:27,160
Speaker 4: That was creol.

2247
01:40:27,320 --> 01:40:30,120
Speaker 2: He called it his vendetta tour, like he was going

2248
01:40:30,200 --> 01:40:32,320
Speaker 2: after the NBA and going after everybody that passed on

2249
01:40:32,400 --> 01:40:34,280
Speaker 2: him on the draft and everybody that tall crap about him.

2250
01:40:34,479 --> 01:40:36,960
Speaker 4: And that's one thing I loved to respect it. Mark Ramsay,

2251
01:40:36,960 --> 01:40:37,479
Speaker 4: you got a couple.

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01:40:38,000 --> 01:40:41,880
Speaker 14: There's one I like, Bob Butterbean.

2253
01:40:41,439 --> 01:40:43,080
Speaker 4: Love Oh Butterbean.

2254
01:40:43,400 --> 01:40:47,000
Speaker 14: And then there's Earl the Pearl Monroe, Yeah, yes, that

2255
01:40:47,120 --> 01:40:51,720
Speaker 14: was a great one, and the microwave Vinnie Johnson, which

2256
01:40:51,840 --> 01:40:56,200
Speaker 14: is perfect. And then later on, well whatever the timetable was.

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01:40:56,240 --> 01:40:57,719
Speaker 14: There was a guy called Big Baby.

2258
01:40:57,880 --> 01:41:01,599
Speaker 2: He was on the on the Celtics, Baby Davis from

2259
01:41:01,600 --> 01:41:03,679
Speaker 2: the from LSU Yes all the time, Clipper.

2260
01:41:04,200 --> 01:41:07,920
Speaker 14: There was the guy named his nickname was Grandmama. He

2261
01:41:07,960 --> 01:41:09,839
Speaker 14: did commercials A body with a dress.

2262
01:41:09,680 --> 01:41:12,439
Speaker 4: On Larry Johnson. That was the only Mark.

2263
01:41:12,520 --> 01:41:15,000
Speaker 2: That was the only shoe that I could afford because

2264
01:41:15,040 --> 01:41:17,760
Speaker 2: I couldn't afford the Penny Hardaways, the MJ's, any of those.

2265
01:41:17,800 --> 01:41:19,720
Speaker 2: Back in the day, I told Mom, I need a

2266
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:21,559
Speaker 2: basketball shoe. She was like, here's your budget.

2267
01:41:21,640 --> 01:41:22,200
Speaker 4: And it wasn't that.

2268
01:41:22,479 --> 01:41:25,960
Speaker 2: It wasn't that why grand But the Grandmama shoes came

2269
01:41:26,040 --> 01:41:27,880
Speaker 2: in clutch and I was able to rock the lay.

2270
01:41:28,240 --> 01:41:30,760
Speaker 3: Those two Kevin had the strap on the side, those

2271
01:41:30,800 --> 01:41:31,920
Speaker 3: were that's right.

2272
01:41:32,040 --> 01:41:33,479
Speaker 14: And then the other one that I like was the

2273
01:41:33,520 --> 01:41:36,000
Speaker 14: guy who they called him Big Country.

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01:41:36,479 --> 01:41:40,719
Speaker 4: Oh, Brian Reeves mention for Vancouver Grizzly.

2275
01:41:40,960 --> 01:41:43,360
Speaker 3: Yes, also a problem for a couple of years in

2276
01:41:43,439 --> 01:41:44,000
Speaker 3: the NBA.

2277
01:41:44,160 --> 01:41:45,760
Speaker 4: I don't know if he ate himself out of the.

2278
01:41:45,840 --> 01:41:49,040
Speaker 2: League or didn't know. He just had a debilitating injuries.

2279
01:41:49,080 --> 01:41:51,519
Speaker 2: I think he had needed back stuff. He's been like

2280
01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:55,160
Speaker 2: a farmer or something like in Oklahoma. Totally like he's

2281
01:41:55,200 --> 01:41:57,880
Speaker 2: a guy that retired due to injury and just disappeared

2282
01:41:57,880 --> 01:42:00,400
Speaker 2: off the map completely. There was a documentary on him

2283
01:42:00,439 --> 01:42:02,400
Speaker 2: like six or seven years ago, and he's just like

2284
01:42:02,479 --> 01:42:05,400
Speaker 2: a farmer in Oklahoma, just doing his thing off the radar.

2285
01:42:05,560 --> 01:42:07,599
Speaker 3: I mean, that's what's gonna happen with Kawhi. We're never

2286
01:42:07,680 --> 01:42:11,040
Speaker 3: gonna hear about him. Again, him and Tim Duncan will

2287
01:42:11,160 --> 01:42:13,599
Speaker 3: ride off into the sunset. Although Duncan tried to get

2288
01:42:13,600 --> 01:42:14,679
Speaker 3: into coaching for a second.

2289
01:42:14,840 --> 01:42:17,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, didn't he sit in for pop as like an

2290
01:42:17,200 --> 01:42:19,000
Speaker 4: interim coach for a game or two? At one point?

2291
01:42:19,080 --> 01:42:19,680
Speaker 4: I think he did.

2292
01:42:20,800 --> 01:42:22,080
Speaker 3: Brandon, you got something here?

2293
01:42:22,520 --> 01:42:26,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know we're almost to break. But shoeless Joe

2294
01:42:26,240 --> 01:42:29,639
Speaker 6: Jackson remember him excellent? Well, no one remember we weren't

2295
01:42:29,640 --> 01:42:31,960
Speaker 6: alive when he was playing, but we know the name. Yes,

2296
01:42:32,160 --> 01:42:34,400
Speaker 6: and he was known for some other scandals as well.

2297
01:42:34,760 --> 01:42:38,080
Speaker 10: Yep, that's it. Well, I have some others. I mean,

2298
01:42:38,120 --> 01:42:39,280
Speaker 10: I like the Flying Dutchman.

2299
01:42:39,360 --> 01:42:43,080
Speaker 6: I'll stay in old baseball, Honus Wagner, greatest short stuff

2300
01:42:43,080 --> 01:42:47,000
Speaker 6: of all time. Not going to go the Jonathan Kaminga route.

2301
01:42:47,160 --> 01:42:53,800
Speaker 6: But there are I'm not, don't worry, but I'm not Adam.

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01:42:54,720 --> 01:42:56,599
Speaker 6: I'll tell you Bred, I'll tell you join the break

2303
01:42:56,800 --> 01:43:00,519
Speaker 6: exactly I do. There there's a few others, Like there's

2304
01:43:00,520 --> 01:43:04,280
Speaker 6: a guy playing right now in baseball, Big Christmas Jointsky

2305
01:43:04,400 --> 01:43:07,639
Speaker 6: Noel for the Guardians. I actually really liked that nickname.

2306
01:43:07,680 --> 01:43:10,200
Speaker 6: I don't know why they call him Big Christmas, but

2307
01:43:10,360 --> 01:43:12,240
Speaker 6: they do. And it's really cool. And you look at

2308
01:43:12,320 --> 01:43:14,599
Speaker 6: him and he just looks like a big version of Christmas.

2309
01:43:14,880 --> 01:43:16,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was probably a play on his last name,

2310
01:43:16,560 --> 01:43:18,680
Speaker 2: the first Noel, that whole thing Christmas. So I'm sure

2311
01:43:18,680 --> 01:43:20,439
Speaker 2: I didn't think that has something to do with it.

2312
01:43:20,560 --> 01:43:23,840
Speaker 3: I used to say that for Neuralin's Noel, but he didn't.

2313
01:43:24,320 --> 01:43:27,320
Speaker 4: He didn't looking for missed that block party.

2314
01:43:27,680 --> 01:43:30,240
Speaker 3: That's right, hey, there is there are some times there

2315
01:43:30,400 --> 01:43:33,240
Speaker 3: Neurlin's Noel was a problem. I do want to shout

2316
01:43:33,280 --> 01:43:34,120
Speaker 3: out big unit.

2317
01:43:35,280 --> 01:43:37,720
Speaker 4: That's an all time favorite, Randy Johnson.

2318
01:43:37,560 --> 01:43:40,320
Speaker 3: And also the guy with the nickname Dick Trickle.

2319
01:43:40,400 --> 01:43:44,280
Speaker 4: Who is that? Though that was actually Dick Trickle NASCAR

2320
01:43:44,439 --> 01:43:45,519
Speaker 4: driver can't be A.

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01:43:46,200 --> 01:43:49,559
Speaker 2: Eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox is the number

2322
01:43:49,680 --> 01:43:51,280
Speaker 2: if you guys want to call in. I'm sure there's

2323
01:43:51,320 --> 01:43:53,280
Speaker 2: some that we were omitting. So by the by all means,

2324
01:43:53,320 --> 01:43:55,120
Speaker 2: give us a ring. Let us know who you think

2325
01:43:55,160 --> 01:43:58,040
Speaker 2: some of the best names or nicknames in sports are.

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01:43:58,360 --> 01:44:00,240
Speaker 2: We'll talk about that coming up next here on it

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01:44:01,240 --> 01:44:02,000
Speaker 2: you're listening to.

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01:44:02,120 --> 01:44:10,720
Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio, please talk to me.

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01:44:10,920 --> 01:44:20,440
Speaker 3: Please Fna Cotton, welcome back in f and A on FSR.

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01:44:20,800 --> 01:44:24,120
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm Oslin's Kevin Figures. Remember if you miss

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01:44:24,200 --> 01:44:26,679
Speaker 3: any of today's show, you'll want to catch the podcast.

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01:44:26,920 --> 01:44:29,559
Speaker 3: Just search Fox Sports Radio wherever you get your podcast.

2333
01:44:29,720 --> 01:44:32,800
Speaker 3: Right after the show, today's podcast will be posted. Be

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01:44:32,880 --> 01:44:35,200
Speaker 3: sure to follow the podcast, rat it five stars, and

2335
01:44:35,240 --> 01:44:38,200
Speaker 3: you can even provide a review. Again, just search Fox

2336
01:44:38,240 --> 01:44:41,599
Speaker 3: Sports Radio wherever you get that podcast, follow lea feed

2337
01:44:41,760 --> 01:44:45,479
Speaker 3: and you'll find today's full show posted right after we

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01:44:45,600 --> 01:44:48,479
Speaker 3: get off the air. Posted by Brandon here, who's going

2339
01:44:48,520 --> 01:44:49,840
Speaker 3: to help us out as we got a lot of

2340
01:44:49,920 --> 01:44:50,840
Speaker 3: calls here, Kevin.

2341
01:44:50,920 --> 01:44:51,599
Speaker 4: This is excellent.

2342
01:44:51,880 --> 01:44:54,559
Speaker 3: This is serious. People love the nickname segment. I love

2343
01:44:54,600 --> 01:44:57,720
Speaker 3: it too, beautiful, Brandon. The only problem is, uh, I

2344
01:44:57,840 --> 01:45:00,880
Speaker 3: can't see because the screening machine over here is so

2345
01:45:00,920 --> 01:45:03,880
Speaker 3: we're gonna rely on you even more heavily. Plus, we

2346
01:45:03,960 --> 01:45:06,519
Speaker 3: got your segment coming up. Brandon's block in the very next.

2347
01:45:06,360 --> 01:45:07,439
Speaker 10: Segment sounds good.

2348
01:45:07,640 --> 01:45:08,639
Speaker 4: Who we got here, Brandon?

2349
01:45:08,680 --> 01:45:09,160
Speaker 3: Who's calling it?

2350
01:45:09,240 --> 01:45:12,679
Speaker 10: We got John for more Orlando here on the air. John,

2351
01:45:12,680 --> 01:45:13,160
Speaker 10: what's up here?

2352
01:45:13,479 --> 01:45:15,840
Speaker 7: And how you guys doing tonight?

2353
01:45:16,320 --> 01:45:17,960
Speaker 4: Doing great? How about you? John? It's on your mind?

2354
01:45:18,640 --> 01:45:20,560
Speaker 7: I'm doing good. Before I get to the nickname, I

2355
01:45:20,720 --> 01:45:23,479
Speaker 7: just gotta say something real quick about that melted snow

2356
01:45:23,560 --> 01:45:27,920
Speaker 7: coming up there in Chicago. Okay, he's not iceman. He

2357
01:45:28,080 --> 01:45:30,920
Speaker 7: wasn an iceman when he lost to Washington and got

2358
01:45:31,040 --> 01:45:35,360
Speaker 7: eliminate it from their conference championship game. And he's sure

2359
01:45:35,400 --> 01:45:38,400
Speaker 7: as heck was an iceman when the true fourth quarter

2360
01:45:38,520 --> 01:45:41,360
Speaker 7: King came into his own house and kicked him out

2361
01:45:41,360 --> 01:45:43,679
Speaker 7: of the playoffs last year. So I don't know where

2362
01:45:43,760 --> 01:45:45,960
Speaker 7: he's getting his iceman from. But you looked more like

2363
01:45:46,120 --> 01:45:46,960
Speaker 7: melt of snow cone to be.

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01:45:48,280 --> 01:45:51,320
Speaker 3: That's pretty good. Get some syrup for that snow coute.

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01:45:53,200 --> 01:45:55,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel it. No, I got you.

2366
01:45:55,280 --> 01:45:56,479
Speaker 2: I'm right there with you, and you've got to do

2367
01:45:56,520 --> 01:45:58,160
Speaker 2: a little bit more to take the iceman moniker from

2368
01:45:58,200 --> 01:45:59,000
Speaker 2: one of the all time greats.

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01:45:59,040 --> 01:45:59,400
Speaker 4: I feel you.

2370
01:46:00,240 --> 01:46:02,280
Speaker 7: You know, I don't know if you want this syrup

2371
01:46:02,320 --> 01:46:05,400
Speaker 7: on that snow cone. But you cannot talk about nicknames

2372
01:46:05,439 --> 01:46:08,639
Speaker 7: and sports athletes without talking about the one and only

2373
01:46:09,320 --> 01:46:13,160
Speaker 7: Greg Olsen, also known as Third Leg Greg. You don't

2374
01:46:13,200 --> 01:46:14,519
Speaker 7: hit the counterparts down there in Miami.

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01:46:16,360 --> 01:46:18,680
Speaker 3: I forgot about Third Leg Grey, did I?

2376
01:46:19,000 --> 01:46:19,200
Speaker 4: Yes?

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01:46:20,280 --> 01:46:23,840
Speaker 3: Who could forget about Third Late Gray? Check out his

2378
01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:25,439
Speaker 3: rap album in Miami too.

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01:46:25,560 --> 01:46:27,960
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that was that was nice and wholesome.

2380
01:46:28,360 --> 01:46:34,080
Speaker 3: By the way, John, good phone call wedding that I

2381
01:46:34,160 --> 01:46:36,440
Speaker 3: thought that was a great that was a great contribution.

2382
01:46:36,640 --> 01:46:38,400
Speaker 4: That was great, great contribution.

2383
01:46:38,640 --> 01:46:41,080
Speaker 10: Hopefully no one brings up the kaminga nickname.

2384
01:46:41,200 --> 01:46:45,559
Speaker 4: Please don't you're really tipping her ound. You want us

2385
01:46:45,640 --> 01:46:47,560
Speaker 4: to say it, I think we might have to dump it.

2386
01:46:47,600 --> 01:46:51,679
Speaker 4: If we will, Mark, keep your finger close to the button.

2387
01:46:52,040 --> 01:46:55,240
Speaker 4: We spell it, and it's quite I.

2388
01:46:55,240 --> 01:46:58,720
Speaker 10: Think that's probably the next collar next collar red.

2389
01:46:58,840 --> 01:46:59,519
Speaker 3: And who's next?

2390
01:47:00,160 --> 01:47:01,640
Speaker 4: We got Bubba from California.

2391
01:47:01,840 --> 01:47:03,400
Speaker 3: Oh, there's a nickname, Bubba.

2392
01:47:03,479 --> 01:47:03,840
Speaker 4: What's up?

2393
01:47:04,960 --> 01:47:05,559
Speaker 9: What's up guys?

2394
01:47:05,760 --> 01:47:08,800
Speaker 4: You guys doing well? Bubba got some nicknames for us?

2395
01:47:09,680 --> 01:47:10,559
Speaker 9: Yeah, I got them.

2396
01:47:10,600 --> 01:47:12,240
Speaker 11: I'll just say the nicknames I know the players, but

2397
01:47:12,320 --> 01:47:13,400
Speaker 11: I'll say the big Hurt.

2398
01:47:14,000 --> 01:47:14,200
Speaker 9: Yeah.

2399
01:47:14,439 --> 01:47:16,799
Speaker 4: Yeah. Frank Thomas said that already.

2400
01:47:18,160 --> 01:47:21,519
Speaker 11: The kid, I mean, great, we can't go wrong with that.

2401
01:47:22,640 --> 01:47:25,679
Speaker 3: They also called KG the kid, right they did initially

2402
01:47:26,000 --> 01:47:27,040
Speaker 3: the big ticket and the kid.

2403
01:47:27,120 --> 01:47:28,400
Speaker 2: I think it was the kid first, and then it

2404
01:47:28,479 --> 01:47:30,639
Speaker 2: kind of evolved into the Big Ticket kind of stayed there.

2405
01:47:30,720 --> 01:47:32,800
Speaker 3: They realized, no kid swears like that.

2406
01:47:33,520 --> 01:47:35,439
Speaker 7: You have so many cuss words.

2407
01:47:35,600 --> 01:47:40,800
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, that's a girl. Man, who else? Who else? Bubba?

2408
01:47:40,960 --> 01:47:43,519
Speaker 9: I would say, you know, even though it's the last name,

2409
01:47:43,640 --> 01:47:46,120
Speaker 9: Doc Holiday. I mean that's a that's a good one,

2410
01:47:46,880 --> 01:47:48,639
Speaker 9: you know, yeah, yeah, all right Holliday.

2411
01:47:48,680 --> 01:47:50,560
Speaker 2: One of you can say he was a technician. He

2412
01:47:50,680 --> 01:47:53,360
Speaker 2: was surgical on the mound. Absolutely, the late Roy Holliday.

2413
01:47:53,479 --> 01:47:53,840
Speaker 1: I love it.

2414
01:47:54,240 --> 01:47:57,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, good stuff, Bubba, thank you man. Oh

2415
01:47:57,120 --> 01:47:57,680
Speaker 4: you got one more?

2416
01:47:59,240 --> 01:48:00,320
Speaker 9: Yes, I do, got more?

2417
01:48:00,400 --> 01:48:04,200
Speaker 4: Okay, what got he wiggles like the worm?

2418
01:48:04,320 --> 01:48:04,799
Speaker 1: The worm?

2419
01:48:05,320 --> 01:48:07,799
Speaker 4: That's good, yeah, Jess Rodman. Absolutely.

2420
01:48:08,400 --> 01:48:11,880
Speaker 3: Who is getting to the getting into the WWE Hall

2421
01:48:11,920 --> 01:48:12,479
Speaker 3: of Fame.

2422
01:48:13,120 --> 01:48:16,120
Speaker 2: I find interesting. I guess they have a celebrity slash

2423
01:48:16,200 --> 01:48:19,120
Speaker 2: contributor wing, so he deserves it. I just don't want

2424
01:48:19,160 --> 01:48:20,880
Speaker 2: to turn into like the basketball Hall of Fame where

2425
01:48:20,880 --> 01:48:21,560
Speaker 2: everybody gets in.

2426
01:48:21,680 --> 01:48:21,840
Speaker 6: You know.

2427
01:48:22,160 --> 01:48:23,960
Speaker 10: That was a good call, though, that was a good call.

2428
01:48:23,960 --> 01:48:25,080
Speaker 10: There was some good nicknames.

2429
01:48:25,600 --> 01:48:27,639
Speaker 6: I can't think of the Big Ticket anymore because every

2430
01:48:27,680 --> 01:48:29,719
Speaker 6: time I think about it, I think of Harry Giles,

2431
01:48:29,760 --> 01:48:30,799
Speaker 6: who ruined the nickname.

2432
01:48:31,360 --> 01:48:33,200
Speaker 10: You remember that in high school he called himself the

2433
01:48:33,240 --> 01:48:33,759
Speaker 10: Big Ticket.

2434
01:48:33,920 --> 01:48:35,800
Speaker 4: He didn't remember that. Actually, yeah he was.

2435
01:48:36,200 --> 01:48:37,800
Speaker 10: He was like the number one player in the country,

2436
01:48:37,800 --> 01:48:40,160
Speaker 10: and then he was so bad in the NBA.

2437
01:48:41,080 --> 01:48:45,280
Speaker 3: Quickly he had a battle in training camp. I believe

2438
01:48:45,960 --> 01:48:49,679
Speaker 3: with Isaiah Hartenstein for the final spot on the Clippers

2439
01:48:49,840 --> 01:48:53,639
Speaker 3: roster in twenty twenty two. They chose wisely.

2440
01:48:54,240 --> 01:48:57,280
Speaker 4: I would say he should have paid Isaiah hart they

2441
01:48:57,360 --> 01:49:01,160
Speaker 4: did here to talk about top retain him, went with

2442
01:49:01,360 --> 01:49:06,559
Speaker 4: John Wall instead. God exception greaty analysts.

2443
01:49:06,560 --> 01:49:08,559
Speaker 6: By the way, all right, we got next next call,

2444
01:49:08,640 --> 01:49:10,280
Speaker 6: We got Steve from Minnesota.

2445
01:49:11,200 --> 01:49:11,880
Speaker 3: What's up Steve?

2446
01:49:12,520 --> 01:49:13,800
Speaker 4: Hey, guys love the show Man.

2447
01:49:13,880 --> 01:49:16,920
Speaker 11: You guys are great? Uh yeah, I mean you were.

2448
01:49:17,280 --> 01:49:18,640
Speaker 11: You were kind of alluding to it.

2449
01:49:18,720 --> 01:49:23,479
Speaker 4: How about Wilt Will the Stilt and no Adult and

2450
01:49:23,840 --> 01:49:26,760
Speaker 4: how about the gloves? Gary Payton, I love GP one

2451
01:49:26,800 --> 01:49:28,639
Speaker 4: of my favorite people ever. I love Gary. I love

2452
01:49:28,680 --> 01:49:31,360
Speaker 4: Gary a man. And then I'm dating myself.

2453
01:49:31,439 --> 01:49:34,559
Speaker 11: But they called Kenny Stabler the snake.

2454
01:49:36,280 --> 01:49:39,240
Speaker 4: Yes, I love the hometown favorite.

2455
01:49:39,360 --> 01:49:42,840
Speaker 6: You guys obviously Harmon killerbrew.

2456
01:49:46,320 --> 01:49:48,120
Speaker 4: Right, I guess yes, sir.

2457
01:49:49,600 --> 01:49:51,160
Speaker 3: Other than that, I got nothing.

2458
01:49:51,240 --> 01:49:54,680
Speaker 11: Well I got a ton more, but I'm walking into work.

2459
01:49:54,760 --> 01:49:57,240
Speaker 11: So thanks guys, love the show, Appreciate.

2460
01:49:56,840 --> 01:49:59,160
Speaker 4: It, Appreciate you, Thanks for listening. Take care, have a

2461
01:49:59,160 --> 01:49:59,880
Speaker 4: good rest of the weekend.

2462
01:50:00,120 --> 01:50:02,920
Speaker 3: Sure he's from Minnesota, though, can you tell tell? Well?

2463
01:50:02,960 --> 01:50:06,240
Speaker 4: Coudn't tell it all? Fargo Season six, Let's go.

2464
01:50:06,600 --> 01:50:09,040
Speaker 6: Catfish Hunter is another one all those baseball names. It's

2465
01:50:09,080 --> 01:50:13,439
Speaker 6: actually their name, Okay, gay Lord Perry catfish Hunter.

2466
01:50:14,320 --> 01:50:16,719
Speaker 3: He mentioned the glove and it got me thinking about

2467
01:50:16,760 --> 01:50:19,040
Speaker 3: that one. I couldn't believe Gary Payton did this, and

2468
01:50:19,120 --> 01:50:21,320
Speaker 3: it's awesome that he did, because it's pretty self deprecating.

2469
01:50:21,360 --> 01:50:24,360
Speaker 3: He was in that commercial with the new what was

2470
01:50:24,439 --> 01:50:27,439
Speaker 3: the springy shoes that Vince Carter had, and you could

2471
01:50:27,479 --> 01:50:30,400
Speaker 3: hear him coming, and they were playing one on one

2472
01:50:30,520 --> 01:50:33,479
Speaker 3: and Gary Payton's just sitting there talking crap. Heiny, nobody

2473
01:50:33,560 --> 01:50:35,400
Speaker 3: can dunk on the glove. Ain't nobody gonna do nothing

2474
01:50:35,400 --> 01:50:35,800
Speaker 3: to glove?

2475
01:50:36,040 --> 01:50:38,280
Speaker 4: And then Vince Carter comes in and the ams on him.

2476
01:50:38,320 --> 01:50:39,639
Speaker 4: You can hear the springs coming.

2477
01:50:39,720 --> 01:50:42,600
Speaker 6: It was great, Nike, that was great. Next up we

2478
01:50:42,680 --> 01:50:46,320
Speaker 6: got trucker Steve from Kansas City truck or Steve.

2479
01:50:46,439 --> 01:50:47,320
Speaker 4: Let's go, what's going on?

2480
01:50:48,080 --> 01:50:49,080
Speaker 15: How y'all doing tonight?

2481
01:50:49,400 --> 01:50:50,479
Speaker 4: Doing well? Doing well?

2482
01:50:51,360 --> 01:50:53,720
Speaker 15: So I got to reserve the iceman for the for

2483
01:50:53,840 --> 01:50:58,880
Speaker 15: the Hall of Fame UFC chuckle though. Yeah, it's got

2484
01:50:59,000 --> 01:51:01,679
Speaker 15: to be trademarked by him. He's the most accomplished iceman.

2485
01:51:01,760 --> 01:51:03,200
Speaker 15: You can't take it from Chuck withell.

2486
01:51:03,200 --> 01:51:06,080
Speaker 1: Ok I mean, come on now, wait, well what.

2487
01:51:06,160 --> 01:51:08,840
Speaker 3: About Iceman from The X Men. He made that rose

2488
01:51:08,920 --> 01:51:11,479
Speaker 3: for Rogue in the first movie. Bobby Drake like, what

2489
01:51:11,600 --> 01:51:12,280
Speaker 3: about that ice?

2490
01:51:12,400 --> 01:51:14,760
Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, you know that's a good point.

2491
01:51:14,840 --> 01:51:15,479
Speaker 11: That's a good point.

2492
01:51:15,520 --> 01:51:17,519
Speaker 15: But I'm going to reserve that one for Chuck Withdell.

2493
01:51:17,800 --> 01:51:20,400
Speaker 15: As far as my favorite nickname, I'm gonna throw a

2494
01:51:20,520 --> 01:51:25,759
Speaker 15: throwback here, how about Craig Ironhead Hayward the New Orleans

2495
01:51:25,880 --> 01:51:26,880
Speaker 15: Faint running back.

2496
01:51:27,080 --> 01:51:30,200
Speaker 4: That's right, that's a that's a throwback. Absolutely, We've not been.

2497
01:51:30,120 --> 01:51:32,600
Speaker 3: Doing much Saints tocsins Bree left, which I thought was

2498
01:51:32,680 --> 01:51:34,519
Speaker 3: a good thing. But that's actually a great nickname.

2499
01:51:34,760 --> 01:51:37,559
Speaker 2: I didn't like the Purple People Eaters, that great defensive

2500
01:51:37,600 --> 01:51:40,400
Speaker 2: line of the Vikings in the seventies. Just as far

2501
01:51:40,400 --> 01:51:42,840
Speaker 2: as units, yeah, as far as units go, the Steel

2502
01:51:42,880 --> 01:51:46,519
Speaker 2: Curtain run TMC to go back to the NBA. Yeah though,

2503
01:51:46,560 --> 01:51:48,400
Speaker 2: that's Tim Hardroway, Mitch Richman and Chris Mullin with the

2504
01:51:48,400 --> 01:51:49,480
Speaker 2: Golden State Warriors.

2505
01:51:49,200 --> 01:51:49,680
Speaker 9: Back in the day.

2506
01:51:49,800 --> 01:51:52,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a good one. Oh else, am I

2507
01:51:52,320 --> 01:51:53,720
Speaker 3: thinking of the Heatles.

2508
01:51:54,880 --> 01:51:57,000
Speaker 4: Doesn't love the Heat. Wasn't the biggest fan of the Heels,

2509
01:51:57,040 --> 01:51:59,519
Speaker 4: to be honest with you, Reddy. Who else we got here?

2510
01:52:00,400 --> 01:52:03,920
Speaker 10: Alrighty, we got Kevin, great name, I.

2511
01:52:03,960 --> 01:52:09,479
Speaker 4: Know we got Kevin. Kevin. What's up? Not figures?

2512
01:52:10,680 --> 01:52:12,960
Speaker 10: Okay, I guess we don't have Kevin anymore?

2513
01:52:13,600 --> 01:52:14,880
Speaker 4: Alrighty making us look back?

2514
01:52:14,960 --> 01:52:15,080
Speaker 11: Ya?

2515
01:52:15,280 --> 01:52:15,439
Speaker 14: I know?

2516
01:52:16,040 --> 01:52:18,400
Speaker 6: Look it was he was still his phone is stole

2517
01:52:18,560 --> 01:52:22,040
Speaker 6: on hold? So hollering James, I guess has a nickname.

2518
01:52:22,120 --> 01:52:25,280
Speaker 4: Let's see. Yeah, it's hollering, Hey, hollering James. What's going on?

2519
01:52:26,160 --> 01:52:31,840
Speaker 12: James? Loves your show, loves your show. Fantastic monologue. Got

2520
01:52:31,880 --> 01:52:36,640
Speaker 12: a question for you. Do you remember Sleepy Floyd and

2521
01:52:36,760 --> 01:52:40,879
Speaker 12: what team he paid for and what famous glass anges

2522
01:52:41,040 --> 01:52:46,000
Speaker 12: Laker I'm played with him. I'm daving myself. I'm daving myself.

2523
01:52:46,280 --> 01:52:48,960
Speaker 12: I'm sixty two years old, and I gotta go more.

2524
01:52:49,000 --> 01:52:50,040
Speaker 12: Everyone listened to me.

2525
01:52:51,840 --> 01:52:54,960
Speaker 4: I mean, I know of Sleepy Floyd from back in

2526
01:52:55,040 --> 01:52:57,280
Speaker 4: the day in the NBA, but I don't I can't

2527
01:52:57,280 --> 01:52:58,800
Speaker 4: say I can really do a deep dive into his

2528
01:52:58,880 --> 01:53:01,200
Speaker 4: career and what Laker he played with? Did he play

2529
01:53:01,280 --> 01:53:02,680
Speaker 4: for the Lakers? I don't think he did.

2530
01:53:04,840 --> 01:53:07,920
Speaker 10: Hollering James is now not on there, So okay, we

2531
01:53:08,040 --> 01:53:09,200
Speaker 10: got to go to the next one.

2532
01:53:10,280 --> 01:53:12,720
Speaker 3: Point I'm gonna have to get on some research on

2533
01:53:12,840 --> 01:53:13,920
Speaker 3: this one because.

2534
01:53:13,640 --> 01:53:15,040
Speaker 4: He might have had a point. He might have had

2535
01:53:15,120 --> 01:53:16,519
Speaker 4: a point there as possible.

2536
01:53:16,800 --> 01:53:21,440
Speaker 3: I's gonna bug me. I was thinking of Sam Perkins.

2537
01:53:22,120 --> 01:53:24,000
Speaker 3: I mean he looked a little sleepy out there, so

2538
01:53:24,240 --> 01:53:30,000
Speaker 3: TMAC at times sleepy. Floyd was with Golden State Houston.

2539
01:53:31,040 --> 01:53:34,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, not a Laker to my knowledge.

2540
01:53:34,320 --> 01:53:35,680
Speaker 3: I don't know where he was going with that.

2541
01:53:36,040 --> 01:53:36,200
Speaker 1: Else.

2542
01:53:36,240 --> 01:53:36,760
Speaker 4: We got her back.

2543
01:53:37,080 --> 01:53:40,240
Speaker 10: We got Pat from Boston here, Okay, Pat, all right?

2544
01:53:40,280 --> 01:53:41,320
Speaker 4: Pat's on what's going on?

2545
01:53:42,280 --> 01:53:42,720
Speaker 2: What's up?

2546
01:53:43,280 --> 01:53:46,400
Speaker 15: I was just calling to say watch out for my Celtics,

2547
01:53:46,680 --> 01:53:49,240
Speaker 15: and that the best nickname for a player.

2548
01:53:49,240 --> 01:53:51,519
Speaker 4: The big Hurry, Yeah, big hurt.

2549
01:53:51,560 --> 01:53:53,719
Speaker 2: We love, we love Frank Thomas brought him up earlier.

2550
01:53:53,760 --> 01:53:55,720
Speaker 2: And yes, watch out for the Celtics. I think the

2551
01:53:56,000 --> 01:53:58,040
Speaker 2: should be the favorite to come out of the Eastern Conference.

2552
01:53:58,200 --> 01:53:59,880
Speaker 2: So Jason Tatum back.

2553
01:54:01,040 --> 01:54:03,600
Speaker 15: Yes, having Tatum, it's like adding a guy at the

2554
01:54:03,840 --> 01:54:05,320
Speaker 15: at the deadline, the superstar.

2555
01:54:06,120 --> 01:54:08,559
Speaker 3: That's a hell of a pickup. I would agree, Yes,

2556
01:54:09,640 --> 01:54:13,639
Speaker 3: and good call the bigger I like the big herd Brandon.

2557
01:54:13,680 --> 01:54:14,839
Speaker 3: We got more people calling.

2558
01:54:14,720 --> 01:54:17,080
Speaker 6: Him, Yes, Kevin from Denver, and I'm going to answer

2559
01:54:17,160 --> 01:54:19,439
Speaker 6: the other calls all right as well.

2560
01:54:19,680 --> 01:54:21,880
Speaker 3: Kevin from Denver? Was this the Kevin that called in

2561
01:54:21,960 --> 01:54:26,479
Speaker 3: earlier and got a little bit scared? Yeah, Kevin, have

2562
01:54:26,640 --> 01:54:27,000
Speaker 3: no fear.

2563
01:54:27,120 --> 01:54:31,360
Speaker 4: It's all good, brother, All right, what do you got?

2564
01:54:34,240 --> 01:54:40,240
Speaker 9: David Clopson played for Northcota State. Scorched seventy three points. Uhm,

2565
01:54:42,080 --> 01:54:45,120
Speaker 9: David Copson N two State beating U C l A

2566
01:54:45,440 --> 01:54:49,000
Speaker 9: in the uh uh John Wooden Days.

2567
01:54:50,080 --> 01:54:52,920
Speaker 3: And then his nickname was Skywalker.

2568
01:54:53,320 --> 01:54:57,040
Speaker 4: Yes, scorched, don't bury, don't bury the lead with the

2569
01:54:57,160 --> 01:54:57,520
Speaker 4: name there?

2570
01:55:00,440 --> 01:55:01,440
Speaker 3: Who else you got kids?

2571
01:55:01,560 --> 01:55:02,560
Speaker 4: Number two? Who's number two?

2572
01:55:02,640 --> 01:55:09,280
Speaker 9: Keseball played minor league baseball in Denver and played for

2573
01:55:09,320 --> 01:55:11,120
Speaker 9: the Cubs. Was the Hawk?

2574
01:55:13,600 --> 01:55:13,960
Speaker 4: All right?

2575
01:55:14,560 --> 01:55:19,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Hawk's a pretty good one. Skywalker is elite.

2576
01:55:20,280 --> 01:55:23,640
Speaker 3: He was. He had a bad injury, but there's a

2577
01:55:23,680 --> 01:55:25,920
Speaker 3: reason he had that nickname. He had like a forty

2578
01:55:25,960 --> 01:55:28,400
Speaker 3: five inch vertical. He was incredible because he was only

2579
01:55:28,440 --> 01:55:29,000
Speaker 3: like six to three.

2580
01:55:29,120 --> 01:55:32,320
Speaker 4: Before we go, we got to mention the Nigerian Nightmare.

2581
01:55:32,760 --> 01:55:33,360
Speaker 4: Thank you, Mark.

2582
01:55:33,400 --> 01:55:34,920
Speaker 2: I thought on my list and didn't get to it,

2583
01:55:35,000 --> 01:55:37,000
Speaker 2: but uh yeah, my guy, Christian Nicoye one of the

2584
01:55:37,080 --> 01:55:39,600
Speaker 2: nicest guys you'll ever meet and one of the most

2585
01:55:39,680 --> 01:55:43,160
Speaker 2: physical running backs in the history of the sport, all right.

2586
01:55:43,240 --> 01:55:45,720
Speaker 2: I think the earth is still shaken from the collision

2587
01:55:45,760 --> 01:55:47,600
Speaker 2: that he and Steve Atwater had that one time.

2588
01:55:48,240 --> 01:55:50,400
Speaker 3: Stopped him dead in his trash. Sure did never see

2589
01:55:50,400 --> 01:55:55,600
Speaker 3: anything like it coming up next Brandon's block. As if

2590
01:55:55,920 --> 01:55:58,600
Speaker 3: he hasn't been doing enough work for us tonight, Brandon's

2591
01:55:58,640 --> 01:56:00,560
Speaker 3: gonna be leading producer here. I don't know what the

2592
01:56:00,640 --> 01:56:03,480
Speaker 3: topic is, wild Calne, This is Evan.

2593
01:56:03,640 --> 01:56:06,520
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2594
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Speaker 4: Let's do it is this place.

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Speaker 12: Hard up?

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Speaker 1: That is a fact. It's Brandon's block.

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Speaker 4: What is up?

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Speaker 6: It is Brandon's block on FNA and today as the

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Speaker 6: topic of course, thanks for having me and today the

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Speaker 6: topic which you guys did not know in advance.

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Speaker 10: Fact Darius A. Cuff Junior. Now, there's been a lot

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Speaker 10: of talk, and obviously he lost. His team lost.

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Speaker 6: Wasn't really his fault to probable champion Arizona wild Wildcats.

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Speaker 6: They looked like an NBA team out there. But Darius

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Speaker 6: Acuff still played well and in the game before that

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Speaker 6: he scored thirty plus points. He averaged thirty for the tournament,

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Speaker 6: just about. And he actually scored almost fifty points in

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Speaker 6: a game early on this season against Alabama while he

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Speaker 6: was injured, played through an injury. And I see this

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Speaker 6: discourse that he can't defend and he can't do this,

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Speaker 6: and he can't do that. And let me tell you something,

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Speaker 6: this is my take on it. The guy doesn't turn

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Speaker 6: the ball over much.

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Speaker 9: Okay.

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Speaker 6: He averages six point five sis per game, twenty three

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Speaker 6: point five points per game. He's six three. It's not

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Speaker 6: like he's five to ten, right, I mean, we'll see

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Speaker 6: his actual height. He might actually be six to one,

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Speaker 6: But like you know, in basketball shoes, if he's six

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Speaker 6: to three, I'm cool with it.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna guess six to one and a half, all right.

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Speaker 6: That's still fine. Better than taller than Ai. Taller than AI,

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Speaker 6: and AI.

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Speaker 4: Was really good.

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Speaker 6: And I'm not saying this guy's Allen Iverson. I think

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Speaker 6: it's unfair to say that this guy's Allen Iverson. But

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Speaker 6: I think in the modern NBA, if this guy's averaging

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Speaker 6: twenty three point five points per game, six point four

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Speaker 6: sis per game, he doesn't really make mistakes, I'm fine

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Speaker 6: with him not playing much defense right now.

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Speaker 2: Well, he has a hell he does. He has a

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Speaker 2: great handle, and he's an excellent ceiling razor. Offensively, his

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Speaker 2: height is going The problem is his height is going

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Speaker 2: to be an issue when.

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Speaker 4: He goes up to the next level.

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Speaker 2: And you if you don't really give the requisite defensive

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Speaker 2: effort night in a night out, on top of the

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Speaker 2: fact that you're undersize, it's certainly not gonna help you

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Speaker 2: on that end. Now, the problem is he's so young,

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Speaker 2: because look, I heard this about eight. We hear this

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Speaker 2: about aj Debonsta too. There are times where he has

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Speaker 2: defensive lapses and he's as fun. I'm a little of

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Speaker 2: an athlete as you can see. But he does a

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Speaker 2: lot of work on the offensive end, and the defense

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Speaker 2: can use a little bit of work. I think you

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Speaker 2: get that a lot of times with young players. So

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Speaker 2: it does mean that a Cup can't be a good

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Speaker 2: defensive player, but so certainly, so far early in his

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Speaker 2: college career, which is getting ready to end after one

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Speaker 2: season at Arkansas. Yeah, I can see why it's a

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Speaker 2: legitimate concern, But I still think he's going to be

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Speaker 2: a baller at the next level.

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Speaker 3: Now, this may surprise you, guys, because well I am

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Speaker 3: near the top of our bracket challenge standings, surprise, next

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Speaker 3: to Colin Cowhard. No, less, I don't Watchington a college basketball.

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Speaker 3: I gotta be honest about that. Now, if the Clippers

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Speaker 3: ended up with that fifth.

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Speaker 4: Pick, now, he'd be all over them.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I'm gonna be doing deep dives on a cuff

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Speaker 3: and everybody else.

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Speaker 6: I'll tell you this though, I'll tell you this. My

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Speaker 6: point that I'm going to make here is I would

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Speaker 6: draft him second overall.

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Speaker 4: Legit.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I do not care about the defensive lapses. I

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Speaker 6: think that he's worried about the size.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that would that's that will be my drawback. That

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Speaker 4: is that is an issue.

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Speaker 6: And I have been in love with the prospects that

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Speaker 6: are smaller in the past, like Rob Dillingham, and he

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Speaker 6: hasn't worked out.

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Speaker 4: But this guy is way better than Rob. How do

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Speaker 4: you feel about Scot Henderson.

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Speaker 6: I did like Scoot Henderson. I did take it with

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Speaker 6: the grain of salt. I have a good track record

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Speaker 6: of evaluations. I liked Cedric Coward last year a lot.

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Speaker 6: I liked j I had j Dubb as the second

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Speaker 6: best player in the draft from his class, and he

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Speaker 6: went like tenth.

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Speaker 4: But I have been wrong a lot too. I didn't

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Speaker 4: like Nipple as a prospect last year. Look what happened.

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Speaker 6: But I'll say this, I don't I see guys propping

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Speaker 6: up Cam Boozer, and I see an unathletic, slow guy

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Speaker 6: who I don't think his shot will translate now his

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Speaker 6: IQ's off the charts. I think Kamboozer will be a

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Speaker 6: successful NBA player because his IQ is so high and

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Speaker 6: he's such a good passer for his size.

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Speaker 4: But I would take a cuff over him.

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Speaker 6: With the concerns of Darren Peterson availability, I would take

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Speaker 6: a cuff over him.

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Speaker 4: I've awesome.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I will take him over a cuff.

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Speaker 2: Just the size and all that, I will take him

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Speaker 2: before I will take a cuff.

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Speaker 4: I could see.

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Speaker 6: But I'm just saying, when this guy when the game

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Speaker 6: is close, it seems like he hits every big shot,

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Speaker 6: and to me, it just screams, Okay, this guy's ready

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Speaker 6: for a big moment and he'll he'll work on the defense.

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Speaker 10: I trust this guy.

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Speaker 6: Size is the biggest problem, of course, But if I'm

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Speaker 6: the Kings and I need a superstar, they can go

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Speaker 6: get me twenty eight to night.

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Speaker 4: I'll take this guy.

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Speaker 3: Twenty eight a night doesn't always translate to winning anymore.

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Speaker 3: Check out Cam Thomas. Is he playing for anyone that's.

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Speaker 4: After the Bucks? The Bucks let him go and Dak

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Speaker 4: Rivers didn't. They want to talk about the reason why

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Speaker 4: they let him go. I trust Coach Cal.

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Speaker 6: Though Coach Cal's like, don't pass on this guy, and

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Speaker 6: he has a good track record of guards.

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Speaker 3: Coach Cal talks up everybody. Though he didn't talk up sales.

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Speaker 3: He didn't talk up ty Ty Washington, No he didn't.

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Speaker 3: Maybe he should have still got a chance. He's in

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Speaker 3: the g league with the Clippers.

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Speaker 4: All right, that's that's the reason why, right, that's his lifeline.

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Speaker 3: T TY is gonna make it this league.

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Speaker 2: I have questions about Darren Peterson too, but the talent,

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Speaker 2: the upside is there when he's healthy, so I think

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Speaker 2: I would end up taking him before I would take

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Speaker 2: a cuff. But thank you Adam, thank you for Brandon,

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Speaker 2: thank you Mark,