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All the 10 00:00:45,946 --> 00:00:49,146 Speaker 1: confetti has fallen, the Lombardi Trophy has been placeted, and 11 00:00:49,226 --> 00:00:52,386 Speaker 1: Aaron Donald, Cooper Cup and Matthew Stafford. They have celebrated 12 00:00:52,866 --> 00:00:56,786 Speaker 1: with the big years Mickey Mouse, which means the NFL 13 00:00:56,826 --> 00:00:59,906 Speaker 1: season now a distant memory, not too distant, but that's okay. 14 00:00:59,946 --> 00:01:01,626 Speaker 1: We're here to talk about the future of the league. 15 00:01:01,826 --> 00:01:03,906 Speaker 1: Thought it was fun seeing the Rams pull off victory. 16 00:01:04,186 --> 00:01:06,466 Speaker 1: My co hosted d D kinkoball a little bums. I 17 00:01:06,466 --> 00:01:09,226 Speaker 1: would imagine that Joe Burrow and his team didn't get 18 00:01:09,306 --> 00:01:14,346 Speaker 1: the w No. I mean, isn't my job as an impartial, 19 00:01:14,466 --> 00:01:17,386 Speaker 1: unbiased reporter to just tell it like it is uh yeah, 20 00:01:17,426 --> 00:01:19,306 Speaker 1: but you're you're around those guys like I would imagine 21 00:01:19,306 --> 00:01:21,986 Speaker 1: the storylines just changed a little bit when well, sure, 22 00:01:22,266 --> 00:01:25,586 Speaker 1: but you know, and I'll tell you covering what was 23 00:01:25,626 --> 00:01:28,226 Speaker 1: it nine nine Bengals games this year and spending the 24 00:01:28,266 --> 00:01:32,826 Speaker 1: time with them, great team, so fun, such wonderful energy. 25 00:01:33,066 --> 00:01:36,306 Speaker 1: So you're just happy for a great game and great experience. 26 00:01:36,546 --> 00:01:39,906 Speaker 1: A heck of a halftime show, Mike, which this will 27 00:01:39,906 --> 00:01:42,986 Speaker 1: be a whole other episode, but I shared a green 28 00:01:43,066 --> 00:01:48,146 Speaker 1: room on Super Bowl Sunday with Snoop and his cohorts, 29 00:01:48,546 --> 00:01:51,306 Speaker 1: so um yeah, I want to hear some of those 30 00:01:51,346 --> 00:01:54,226 Speaker 1: stories that went down, and you're right, an epic halftime show, 31 00:01:54,306 --> 00:01:57,026 Speaker 1: and I get to relive my college years and you 32 00:01:57,066 --> 00:01:59,586 Speaker 1: know those aurists that was when fifty comes out? Are 33 00:01:59,586 --> 00:02:01,466 Speaker 1: you kidding me? In the club? One of those songs? 34 00:02:01,506 --> 00:02:03,426 Speaker 1: All right, well, look, you and I can you know, 35 00:02:03,506 --> 00:02:05,466 Speaker 1: dork out about the halftime shows and we can go 36 00:02:05,506 --> 00:02:07,586 Speaker 1: down memory lane with some of these songs. We'll do 37 00:02:07,626 --> 00:02:10,906 Speaker 1: that on another episode of NFL Explained. But no NFL 38 00:02:10,986 --> 00:02:13,746 Speaker 1: games officially being played now for a little bit of 39 00:02:13,746 --> 00:02:16,586 Speaker 1: time with the league on vacation. But there's something really 40 00:02:16,586 --> 00:02:19,386 Speaker 1: cool about the NFL we got a lot of different 41 00:02:19,506 --> 00:02:22,706 Speaker 1: moments throughout the year that give us something to talk about. 42 00:02:22,706 --> 00:02:25,586 Speaker 1: We've got NFL free agency in mid March, the NFL Draft, 43 00:02:25,666 --> 00:02:28,546 Speaker 1: which all eyes will be on in April, and then 44 00:02:28,586 --> 00:02:31,946 Speaker 1: before that we got the NFL Combine also starting in March, 45 00:02:32,026 --> 00:02:34,586 Speaker 1: and today on the NFL Explained Pod, we're taking that 46 00:02:34,666 --> 00:02:38,466 Speaker 1: deep dive into the history of the NFL Combine, one 47 00:02:38,466 --> 00:02:41,106 Speaker 1: of my all time favorite events. Let me tell you so, 48 00:02:41,866 --> 00:02:45,586 Speaker 1: the Combine, and we'll probably get into this at some point, Mike, 49 00:02:45,586 --> 00:02:48,906 Speaker 1: but there is consideration to move the Combine out of Indianapolis, 50 00:02:48,906 --> 00:02:52,226 Speaker 1: which would really and truly make me shed a tear. 51 00:02:52,666 --> 00:02:56,186 Speaker 1: One of the things that's so phenomenal about Indianapolis is 52 00:02:56,226 --> 00:02:59,426 Speaker 1: that everything is within walking distance, and you're all right 53 00:02:59,426 --> 00:03:02,586 Speaker 1: there Lucas Oil Stadium, in all these hotels and a 54 00:03:02,626 --> 00:03:05,266 Speaker 1: ton of restaurants and bars and everything. And what happens 55 00:03:05,266 --> 00:03:09,666 Speaker 1: at the come line is that every single team's scouting 56 00:03:09,706 --> 00:03:13,906 Speaker 1: department and assistant coaches and head coaches and gms and 57 00:03:14,146 --> 00:03:18,466 Speaker 1: agents and everybody is in town for this week. While 58 00:03:18,986 --> 00:03:25,306 Speaker 1: the hundreds of future NFL prospects are all showing off 59 00:03:25,346 --> 00:03:29,266 Speaker 1: every piece of why they are potential NFL players from 60 00:03:29,346 --> 00:03:31,426 Speaker 1: on the field to off the field to all of that. 61 00:03:31,546 --> 00:03:34,826 Speaker 1: And so it's just this tremendous chance to catch up 62 00:03:34,826 --> 00:03:38,466 Speaker 1: with people not in the midst of the season, but 63 00:03:38,546 --> 00:03:41,546 Speaker 1: outside of the season and hang out on a personal 64 00:03:41,626 --> 00:03:44,746 Speaker 1: level and as you just said, get to know the 65 00:03:44,826 --> 00:03:47,746 Speaker 1: guys that will populate the league as we move forward. 66 00:03:48,106 --> 00:03:49,706 Speaker 1: All right, give me a handle here, give me a 67 00:03:49,746 --> 00:03:52,786 Speaker 1: better sense of of actually what's happening for the players 68 00:03:52,866 --> 00:03:55,706 Speaker 1: during the week of the combine. Okay, So they'll take 69 00:03:55,746 --> 00:03:59,146 Speaker 1: medical tests, they'll do team interviews. Some of them are 70 00:03:59,226 --> 00:04:01,666 Speaker 1: kind of at the train station, which is super super quick, 71 00:04:02,026 --> 00:04:04,026 Speaker 1: you know, you get maybe five minutes, and then some 72 00:04:04,106 --> 00:04:06,546 Speaker 1: of them are intense and they'll have been in hotel 73 00:04:06,586 --> 00:04:09,706 Speaker 1: suites or rooms and go through kind of being put 74 00:04:09,786 --> 00:04:12,906 Speaker 1: on the board. There's on field drills that show their 75 00:04:13,026 --> 00:04:16,306 Speaker 1: athletic abilities as well as their mental abilities. And you 76 00:04:16,466 --> 00:04:19,426 Speaker 1: have to be invited to Indy. So it's obviously a 77 00:04:19,586 --> 00:04:22,266 Speaker 1: very lite group. How do you get that invite, Mike. 78 00:04:22,386 --> 00:04:25,706 Speaker 1: It's an anonymous committee that's made up of executives from 79 00:04:25,746 --> 00:04:29,546 Speaker 1: all thirty two NFL teams player personnel departments. There are 80 00:04:29,866 --> 00:04:34,506 Speaker 1: directors from the National Football and Blessed scouting services that 81 00:04:34,586 --> 00:04:39,266 Speaker 1: are also there. And here's a little random tidbit, because 82 00:04:39,266 --> 00:04:42,066 Speaker 1: our show is so good at random tidbits, right, blessed O, 83 00:04:42,746 --> 00:04:44,986 Speaker 1: which I'm sure you've heard, right, you've heard blessed O. 84 00:04:45,386 --> 00:04:49,186 Speaker 1: Have you ever wondered what BLESSO stood for? Mike, Yes, yes, 85 00:04:51,106 --> 00:04:54,666 Speaker 1: I am here to tell you. It is for the Lions, 86 00:04:54,786 --> 00:05:00,106 Speaker 1: Eagles and Steelers talent organizations. And then the Bears joined 87 00:05:00,186 --> 00:05:05,146 Speaker 1: and that made it Blessedo. So it was LESTO Lions, Eagles, 88 00:05:05,426 --> 00:05:10,026 Speaker 1: ste Allers Talent Organization LESTO, and then the Bears joined 89 00:05:10,026 --> 00:05:13,786 Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty four and it became the less Sto Bears. 90 00:05:13,786 --> 00:05:16,746 Speaker 1: Oh my, that's right. Blesso does sort of have a 91 00:05:16,786 --> 00:05:19,066 Speaker 1: good little ring to it. I think the other thing, 92 00:05:19,066 --> 00:05:22,626 Speaker 1: Addy is when a lot of these teams Blessed Scouts 93 00:05:22,666 --> 00:05:25,226 Speaker 1: however you want to describe it, they're assessing some of 94 00:05:25,266 --> 00:05:28,626 Speaker 1: these players like it's not an exact science. And I 95 00:05:28,626 --> 00:05:30,666 Speaker 1: think it is important to sort of go back here 96 00:05:30,746 --> 00:05:33,986 Speaker 1: because we've chronicled in a lot of ways the history 97 00:05:34,066 --> 00:05:36,666 Speaker 1: of the NFL how teams got their names, and encourage 98 00:05:36,666 --> 00:05:38,066 Speaker 1: people to go back to listen to some of our 99 00:05:38,106 --> 00:05:40,866 Speaker 1: previous episodes but I think if you have listened to it, 100 00:05:40,906 --> 00:05:43,106 Speaker 1: you'd realize that the league has actually been around for 101 00:05:43,146 --> 00:05:46,146 Speaker 1: over a hundred season. But the NFL Combine didn't start 102 00:05:46,226 --> 00:05:49,586 Speaker 1: until the great year of nineteen one. You know why 103 00:05:49,586 --> 00:05:54,786 Speaker 1: it's a great year? Hello? Alright, so blessed o the 104 00:05:54,866 --> 00:05:58,546 Speaker 1: National Football Scouting Like they gathered players in Indianapolis for 105 00:05:58,586 --> 00:06:02,306 Speaker 1: those medical tests, no team interviews or on field activities 106 00:06:02,346 --> 00:06:05,546 Speaker 1: were actually conducted at that point. Nowadays, the players should 107 00:06:05,546 --> 00:06:08,106 Speaker 1: do in the interviews the drills, and it's the reason 108 00:06:08,146 --> 00:06:10,346 Speaker 1: why we only have records for what the players have 109 00:06:10,386 --> 00:06:13,346 Speaker 1: actually performed in those drills since two thousand three also 110 00:06:13,426 --> 00:06:14,866 Speaker 1: another great year because that was the year that I 111 00:06:14,906 --> 00:06:19,586 Speaker 1: graduated college. So in nineteen eighty two, the National Invitational Camp, 112 00:06:19,666 --> 00:06:22,826 Speaker 1: which was the official name for the NFL Scouting Combine, 113 00:06:22,866 --> 00:06:26,346 Speaker 1: began with only a few teams participating. So the first 114 00:06:26,466 --> 00:06:30,226 Speaker 1: National Invitational Camp was held in Tampa, Florida, with a 115 00:06:30,346 --> 00:06:33,866 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty three players taking part. But during that time, 116 00:06:33,946 --> 00:06:38,066 Speaker 1: other camps actually started to pop up until one all 117 00:06:38,146 --> 00:06:40,946 Speaker 1: twenty eight teams with the goal of splitting the cost 118 00:06:41,026 --> 00:06:43,586 Speaker 1: of all the medical exams, got on board. So I 119 00:06:43,626 --> 00:06:46,226 Speaker 1: was talking about the dollars right, That to me makes 120 00:06:46,226 --> 00:06:48,706 Speaker 1: sense to sort of streamline things well. And I think 121 00:06:48,706 --> 00:06:51,626 Speaker 1: that the medical tests are incredibly important because you want 122 00:06:51,706 --> 00:06:54,906 Speaker 1: some sort of consistency right to some degree, every team 123 00:06:55,026 --> 00:06:59,146 Speaker 1: wants its own physicians to check out every player, but 124 00:06:59,186 --> 00:07:01,866 Speaker 1: that's just not feasible. So you want to make sure 125 00:07:01,946 --> 00:07:03,786 Speaker 1: that the players are healthy enough to compete at a 126 00:07:03,826 --> 00:07:06,466 Speaker 1: high level. So every position group is in Indie for 127 00:07:06,586 --> 00:07:10,186 Speaker 1: four days, and three of the four days are spent 128 00:07:10,306 --> 00:07:13,386 Speaker 1: on medical testing and interviews, and only one of the 129 00:07:13,506 --> 00:07:16,706 Speaker 1: days is about on the field workouts. And now part 130 00:07:16,706 --> 00:07:18,906 Speaker 1: of that is because obviously the tape is the tape, 131 00:07:18,946 --> 00:07:22,146 Speaker 1: the film shows what it shows, and an on field 132 00:07:22,146 --> 00:07:25,346 Speaker 1: workout is not nearly as valuable as this other sort 133 00:07:25,386 --> 00:07:29,346 Speaker 1: of intensive examination. It's a good point, especially when you 134 00:07:29,426 --> 00:07:31,666 Speaker 1: consider the amount of money that's going to be invested 135 00:07:31,666 --> 00:07:33,706 Speaker 1: in a lot of these individuals. To have some sort 136 00:07:33,746 --> 00:07:35,946 Speaker 1: of consistency on the medical testing and then to get 137 00:07:36,026 --> 00:07:38,346 Speaker 1: to just know some of these players is really important. 138 00:07:38,506 --> 00:07:40,466 Speaker 1: So that official combine, by the way, has been held 139 00:07:40,466 --> 00:07:43,626 Speaker 1: in New Orleans, uh it was eighty four and eighty six, 140 00:07:43,666 --> 00:07:47,506 Speaker 1: Arizona in eighty five, and then last year obviously with 141 00:07:47,586 --> 00:07:50,266 Speaker 1: the cole COVID situation, the combine was canceled. But this 142 00:07:50,346 --> 00:07:54,386 Speaker 1: year's combine, how about returns to Indianapolis for a thirty 143 00:07:54,666 --> 00:07:57,186 Speaker 1: fifth time a d D which is pretty cool, well, 144 00:07:57,186 --> 00:07:59,706 Speaker 1: which I already told you that it's my favorite place 145 00:07:59,746 --> 00:08:03,226 Speaker 1: for it to happen. So I don't know if anybody 146 00:08:03,306 --> 00:08:06,746 Speaker 1: in decision making capacity is stening to us right now, 147 00:08:06,786 --> 00:08:09,266 Speaker 1: but hey, I vote for Indie. I vote for a 148 00:08:09,266 --> 00:08:12,106 Speaker 1: repeat to indian Especially after coming home from a Super 149 00:08:12,106 --> 00:08:14,226 Speaker 1: Bowl in l A. I would prefer the combine in 150 00:08:14,226 --> 00:08:17,666 Speaker 1: Indy to l A. But that's a whole other conversation, Mike, 151 00:08:17,986 --> 00:08:20,906 Speaker 1: So let's get into it, like what actually happens, Like 152 00:08:20,946 --> 00:08:25,346 Speaker 1: what are teams looking into when they're trying to assess 153 00:08:25,466 --> 00:08:29,546 Speaker 1: who exactly they are drafting. There's obviously questions that range 154 00:08:29,546 --> 00:08:34,026 Speaker 1: from testing football and playbook knowledge, and then of course 155 00:08:34,026 --> 00:08:36,466 Speaker 1: getting to know players about the way they were raised 156 00:08:36,506 --> 00:08:39,666 Speaker 1: and their passions and their general philosophies on life. All 157 00:08:39,706 --> 00:08:46,106 Speaker 1: of that, and one of my favorite games is hearing 158 00:08:46,466 --> 00:08:50,866 Speaker 1: the somewhat bizarre questions that are leaked and hearing from 159 00:08:50,906 --> 00:08:53,426 Speaker 1: coaches what questions they are told they are not allowed 160 00:08:53,466 --> 00:08:56,786 Speaker 1: to ask, because that has happened too. Yeah, and actually 161 00:08:56,826 --> 00:08:59,346 Speaker 1: it has changed a d D in a lot of 162 00:08:59,386 --> 00:09:02,346 Speaker 1: ways because look, i mean sometimes you know, there's only 163 00:09:02,426 --> 00:09:04,186 Speaker 1: so many things that you can ask a lot of 164 00:09:04,186 --> 00:09:05,986 Speaker 1: these players but also keep them on. I've thinking a 165 00:09:06,026 --> 00:09:07,866 Speaker 1: lot of these teams, even before they get into that 166 00:09:07,946 --> 00:09:11,586 Speaker 1: interview room, are doing their own investigations and getting a 167 00:09:11,586 --> 00:09:13,626 Speaker 1: better sense of some of these players, whether it's talking 168 00:09:13,626 --> 00:09:16,666 Speaker 1: to former coaches, former players, just to sort of paint 169 00:09:16,706 --> 00:09:19,586 Speaker 1: the picture on what these guys can actually do. But 170 00:09:19,626 --> 00:09:21,626 Speaker 1: there's there's so much on tape, right, Like you got 171 00:09:21,626 --> 00:09:23,986 Speaker 1: the film on these guys, but it's now all about 172 00:09:23,986 --> 00:09:27,226 Speaker 1: getting to know who that player is. So I'd love 173 00:09:27,266 --> 00:09:29,746 Speaker 1: to get into some of these questions with you. You You 174 00:09:29,826 --> 00:09:31,266 Speaker 1: wanna have a little bit of fun here on on 175 00:09:31,306 --> 00:09:36,586 Speaker 1: some of these Sure, why not? There was a player 176 00:09:36,586 --> 00:09:39,706 Speaker 1: who was asked, and that was Cam Newton. Would you 177 00:09:39,906 --> 00:09:43,186 Speaker 1: rather be a cat or a dog? Add How would 178 00:09:43,226 --> 00:09:56,226 Speaker 1: you answer that question? Dog? Why? Um? Dogs are loyal 179 00:09:56,346 --> 00:10:00,186 Speaker 1: and loving and offer a companionship in a way that 180 00:10:00,226 --> 00:10:02,386 Speaker 1: cats are aloof I don't I'm trying to think of 181 00:10:02,426 --> 00:10:04,426 Speaker 1: a very clean way to say this, but I just 182 00:10:04,466 --> 00:10:07,226 Speaker 1: don't really love the idea of an animal that goes 183 00:10:07,266 --> 00:10:10,506 Speaker 1: to the bathroom in the open in the house. Okay, 184 00:10:10,626 --> 00:10:14,746 Speaker 1: that's fair. So there's that, and um, yeah, let's move on. 185 00:10:15,466 --> 00:10:17,466 Speaker 1: All I was gonna say was, there's this one moment 186 00:10:17,506 --> 00:10:20,466 Speaker 1: on NFL Network that I'll never forget watching a lot 187 00:10:20,466 --> 00:10:23,386 Speaker 1: of the coverage. Charles McCoy was actually asked you wear 188 00:10:23,386 --> 00:10:25,946 Speaker 1: a jockstrap or a G string when you play, which 189 00:10:25,986 --> 00:10:27,626 Speaker 1: to me is like an awkward thing to have to 190 00:10:27,666 --> 00:10:30,066 Speaker 1: ask in like an interview setting. But he told the 191 00:10:30,106 --> 00:10:32,746 Speaker 1: story on NFL Network and it was actually really hysterical, 192 00:10:32,786 --> 00:10:34,586 Speaker 1: and it just got me thinking about all of these 193 00:10:34,626 --> 00:10:37,786 Speaker 1: odd questions cat or dog or you know what kind 194 00:10:37,786 --> 00:10:40,946 Speaker 1: of garments you wear? Like, to me, that's it's just different. 195 00:10:41,026 --> 00:10:42,906 Speaker 1: And I guess some of these teams feel like you 196 00:10:42,946 --> 00:10:46,786 Speaker 1: can gather some sort of intel about someone's personality based 197 00:10:46,786 --> 00:10:49,826 Speaker 1: off of how the answer those questions. Sure, and I 198 00:10:49,906 --> 00:10:54,546 Speaker 1: do remember a assistant coach with a team telling me 199 00:10:54,586 --> 00:10:57,466 Speaker 1: that the head coach had instructed this assistant coach he 200 00:10:57,666 --> 00:11:02,586 Speaker 1: was not allowed to ask about a player's personal life 201 00:11:02,746 --> 00:11:06,546 Speaker 1: during an interview. So anything is game and not everything 202 00:11:06,626 --> 00:11:10,906 Speaker 1: is game, which is maybe Mike part of why that 203 00:11:11,266 --> 00:11:14,106 Speaker 1: In January of this year, the NFL sent a memo 204 00:11:14,306 --> 00:11:20,546 Speaker 1: to remind teams that any club rep who displayed a disrespectful, inappropriate, 205 00:11:20,786 --> 00:11:26,146 Speaker 1: or unprofessional conduct during the combine interviews with prospects could 206 00:11:26,226 --> 00:11:29,626 Speaker 1: lead to teams losing a draft pick and also a 207 00:11:29,746 --> 00:11:32,746 Speaker 1: fine of as much as a hundred and fifty thou dollars. 208 00:11:32,786 --> 00:11:38,826 Speaker 1: And those inappropriate questions quote unquote include questions on race, religions, 209 00:11:38,826 --> 00:11:44,706 Speaker 1: sexual orientation, marital status, disabilities, national origin, etcetera. The memo 210 00:11:44,826 --> 00:11:50,106 Speaker 1: also says, quote prospects are encouraged to report offensive conduct 211 00:11:50,226 --> 00:11:53,146 Speaker 1: without retaliation. And we should also point out that the 212 00:11:53,306 --> 00:11:58,586 Speaker 1: NFL eliminated one of my favorite tests, the Wonderlick. I mean, 213 00:11:58,586 --> 00:12:00,906 Speaker 1: the wonder Like has been a very very telling test. 214 00:12:00,946 --> 00:12:03,106 Speaker 1: In fact, I just had a conversation with somebody about 215 00:12:03,186 --> 00:12:07,466 Speaker 1: Josh Allen and how his Wonderlick score was significantly higher 216 00:12:07,866 --> 00:12:11,506 Speaker 1: than some other quarterback prospects in his draft class and 217 00:12:11,666 --> 00:12:15,266 Speaker 1: why that may be surprising but is so telling as 218 00:12:15,306 --> 00:12:17,706 Speaker 1: we sit here and look four years later. Yeah, well 219 00:12:17,786 --> 00:12:20,346 Speaker 1: no more wonder Look that is officially now in the 220 00:12:20,426 --> 00:12:24,226 Speaker 1: rear view mirror. Have you ever taken one? No? I haven't. 221 00:12:24,666 --> 00:12:27,026 Speaker 1: Have you I did? Yeah? I killed it? Oh so 222 00:12:27,266 --> 00:12:29,266 Speaker 1: that's the only reason why you brought it up. If 223 00:12:29,266 --> 00:12:31,706 Speaker 1: you scored like really bad, you'd never asked me that 224 00:12:31,826 --> 00:12:33,946 Speaker 1: question to bring that up. So never. But I'm an 225 00:12:33,946 --> 00:12:36,986 Speaker 1: Ivy leaguer, you know, I didn't go to Fordham or anything. Oh, 226 00:12:37,026 --> 00:12:39,266 Speaker 1: here we go. It's here's what I've learned about you 227 00:12:39,386 --> 00:12:41,666 Speaker 1: Ivy leagueers. You guys there, there must be like this 228 00:12:41,746 --> 00:12:43,866 Speaker 1: insecurity that you have that you always have to go 229 00:12:44,026 --> 00:12:45,786 Speaker 1: and bring it up. I've been around enough of you 230 00:12:45,986 --> 00:12:47,506 Speaker 1: to know that that is the case. But I think 231 00:12:47,546 --> 00:12:49,626 Speaker 1: a lot of us, if we're building a team, we'd 232 00:12:49,626 --> 00:12:52,986 Speaker 1: of course want to know absolutely everything about a player. 233 00:12:53,066 --> 00:12:55,386 Speaker 1: I think there's some that just sort of are fascinated 234 00:12:55,426 --> 00:12:58,186 Speaker 1: by the forty yard dash dd the fastest man of 235 00:12:58,306 --> 00:13:01,306 Speaker 1: combine in the forty Well, actually, I'll give you some 236 00:13:01,346 --> 00:13:03,466 Speaker 1: time to think about that, because we'll get into that, 237 00:13:03,506 --> 00:13:06,386 Speaker 1: plus explain why the forty yard dash records might actually 238 00:13:06,386 --> 00:13:09,786 Speaker 1: be obsolete and why you hear the term hand size 239 00:13:09,906 --> 00:13:12,946 Speaker 1: more than you ever expected. That's still to come. And 240 00:13:13,026 --> 00:13:15,466 Speaker 1: also one other note, we got a mail bag episode 241 00:13:15,866 --> 00:13:18,666 Speaker 1: right around the corner. Feel free to fire off some 242 00:13:18,746 --> 00:13:23,866 Speaker 1: of your burning questions at a King Kabwala at Mike Underscore. Yam, 243 00:13:24,026 --> 00:13:26,346 Speaker 1: I've been compiling some of these questions that we've been 244 00:13:26,346 --> 00:13:28,906 Speaker 1: getting over the last few weeks. A few months. Um 245 00:13:28,986 --> 00:13:31,586 Speaker 1: Our malt last mail bag episode was really successful, so 246 00:13:31,586 --> 00:13:33,306 Speaker 1: we thought we'd bring that back. So make sure you 247 00:13:33,466 --> 00:13:35,266 Speaker 1: have a question you just don't know who to ask. 248 00:13:35,826 --> 00:13:37,666 Speaker 1: ADDI and I have you covered. We'll get to that 249 00:13:37,746 --> 00:13:45,306 Speaker 1: coming up. 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D. 276 00:15:19,186 --> 00:15:21,466 Speaker 1: Kinkaballah with you, and before the break we talk a 277 00:15:21,506 --> 00:15:23,666 Speaker 1: little bit about the history of the NFL Combine and 278 00:15:23,706 --> 00:15:26,426 Speaker 1: I had mentioned some of the great performances, one in 279 00:15:26,466 --> 00:15:29,746 Speaker 1: particular that I think everyone associates the combine with, and 280 00:15:29,786 --> 00:15:31,906 Speaker 1: that's that forty. Keep in mind we can only go 281 00:15:31,946 --> 00:15:34,226 Speaker 1: back to two thousand three when they started to keep 282 00:15:34,306 --> 00:15:37,986 Speaker 1: track of records. Over three hundred players eligible for the 283 00:15:38,066 --> 00:15:40,906 Speaker 1: NFL Draft take the field to perform some of these 284 00:15:41,026 --> 00:15:43,546 Speaker 1: drills in front of their coaches so they can display 285 00:15:43,586 --> 00:15:46,226 Speaker 1: some of that athletic ability. The college that's sending the 286 00:15:46,306 --> 00:15:50,586 Speaker 1: most players to Combine national champs not a shock here 287 00:15:50,626 --> 00:15:53,786 Speaker 1: that Georgia Bulldogs. Man, those dudes looked fantastic, terrific, and 288 00:15:53,786 --> 00:15:56,386 Speaker 1: they were fast as hell on the football field. In 289 00:15:56,426 --> 00:15:58,626 Speaker 1: the Natty they got fourteen dudes that are going That 290 00:15:58,746 --> 00:16:01,506 Speaker 1: ties the record with Ohio State. But one of the 291 00:16:01,546 --> 00:16:04,426 Speaker 1: premier drills, yes, it is the forty a d d 292 00:16:04,906 --> 00:16:07,986 Speaker 1: the person who has the fastest forty time anyone come 293 00:16:08,026 --> 00:16:10,746 Speaker 1: to mind. I do know this one actually, because of 294 00:16:10,746 --> 00:16:15,266 Speaker 1: course he lived in the division that I call my wheelhouse, 295 00:16:15,306 --> 00:16:17,826 Speaker 1: and that of course is John Ross out of Washington 296 00:16:17,866 --> 00:16:20,506 Speaker 1: who ran a four to two. But here's the thing. 297 00:16:21,066 --> 00:16:27,386 Speaker 1: Speed doesn't necessarily translate into incredible football playing ability. Now 298 00:16:27,426 --> 00:16:30,666 Speaker 1: for Chris Johnson, who ran an official four to four, 299 00:16:30,826 --> 00:16:34,146 Speaker 1: it did. Obviously the running back was incredibly successful. But 300 00:16:34,186 --> 00:16:36,866 Speaker 1: I also remember Dree Archer, who was with the Steelers 301 00:16:36,906 --> 00:16:38,586 Speaker 1: for a while after running a four to six out 302 00:16:38,586 --> 00:16:41,826 Speaker 1: of Kent State didn't too much. And then there was 303 00:16:41,866 --> 00:16:44,146 Speaker 1: of course Marquis Goodwin who ran a four to seven 304 00:16:44,186 --> 00:16:48,386 Speaker 1: out of Texas and competed for an Olympic birth too. 305 00:16:48,426 --> 00:16:50,786 Speaker 1: Did he actually make the Olympics or was he just 306 00:16:50,866 --> 00:16:53,626 Speaker 1: a national champion? I think just the national champ if 307 00:16:53,666 --> 00:16:56,906 Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, didn't actually, but he did compete in 308 00:16:56,986 --> 00:17:01,066 Speaker 1: an effort to try to make the Olympics, you know, um, 309 00:17:01,186 --> 00:17:03,066 Speaker 1: And I'm with you there on that forty And we'll 310 00:17:03,066 --> 00:17:05,546 Speaker 1: get into why it might be obsolete here in just 311 00:17:05,586 --> 00:17:07,666 Speaker 1: the minute. But John Ross is a guy that I watched. 312 00:17:07,706 --> 00:17:09,506 Speaker 1: I literally watched every one of his games when he 313 00:17:09,546 --> 00:17:12,426 Speaker 1: was playing at Washington, and speed did kill the opponents 314 00:17:12,426 --> 00:17:14,586 Speaker 1: when he was playing. There was some vivid memories that 315 00:17:14,626 --> 00:17:16,906 Speaker 1: I have at that speed. Do you remember this story 316 00:17:16,946 --> 00:17:20,266 Speaker 1: about that forty time where he would have been gifted 317 00:17:20,906 --> 00:17:24,466 Speaker 1: an actual island had he warned the right cleats at 318 00:17:24,506 --> 00:17:27,306 Speaker 1: the combine? Do you remember? So? Yes, I do remember this, 319 00:17:27,506 --> 00:17:30,946 Speaker 1: And it's like he missed out on the easiest thing. 320 00:17:31,746 --> 00:17:34,546 Speaker 1: Was it superstition or was it comfort or ease or 321 00:17:34,586 --> 00:17:38,186 Speaker 1: what was it that prevented him from So Adidas was 322 00:17:38,466 --> 00:17:42,266 Speaker 1: going to give the fastest forty winner or time. They 323 00:17:42,266 --> 00:17:45,226 Speaker 1: were going to give them an island, and John wore 324 00:17:45,706 --> 00:17:48,546 Speaker 1: Nike instead of Adidas, so that obviously wouldn't count. So 325 00:17:48,586 --> 00:17:50,506 Speaker 1: we didn't get the island. He was asked about it, 326 00:17:50,866 --> 00:17:52,546 Speaker 1: and John such a great kid, and he said, well, 327 00:17:52,546 --> 00:17:54,466 Speaker 1: I don't swim anyway, which I thought was a great 328 00:17:54,466 --> 00:17:57,786 Speaker 1: response to not getting getting the island. But um always 329 00:17:57,826 --> 00:17:59,986 Speaker 1: a ton of fun when he was on the football field. So, 330 00:18:00,186 --> 00:18:03,186 Speaker 1: but you're right, like it's hard sometimes to use forty 331 00:18:03,266 --> 00:18:05,666 Speaker 1: as a measuring stick in a barometer for NFL six 332 00:18:05,826 --> 00:18:08,106 Speaker 1: US well, of course, because you know, as we run 333 00:18:08,186 --> 00:18:11,106 Speaker 1: through the list of the fastest forty times ever, only 334 00:18:11,426 --> 00:18:14,746 Speaker 1: running back Chris Johnson, who made the Pro Bowl three times, 335 00:18:14,826 --> 00:18:17,626 Speaker 1: and wide receiver Dural Mathis who made the Pro Bowl 336 00:18:17,826 --> 00:18:23,746 Speaker 1: once have actually been selected to sort of the exalted 337 00:18:23,906 --> 00:18:27,626 Speaker 1: land of their profession, being the Pro Bowl as opposed 338 00:18:27,626 --> 00:18:28,866 Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl. I don't know, I don't know 339 00:18:28,946 --> 00:18:31,786 Speaker 1: if that's saying the exalted land. Well, let's just say 340 00:18:31,826 --> 00:18:33,786 Speaker 1: they have been the only ones that have been recognized 341 00:18:33,786 --> 00:18:36,666 Speaker 1: as amongst the best at their positions. Yeah, is it 342 00:18:36,746 --> 00:18:38,746 Speaker 1: just me? Or every time I see a forty I 343 00:18:38,746 --> 00:18:43,226 Speaker 1: always think richis who has raised so much money for St. 344 00:18:43,306 --> 00:18:45,986 Speaker 1: Jude over the how many years has it been now? Ten, 345 00:18:46,066 --> 00:18:48,146 Speaker 1: fifteen years that he's been running the forty in his 346 00:18:48,226 --> 00:18:53,586 Speaker 1: suit and sneakers, fifteen years, handling business a D fifteen years. Yeah, 347 00:18:53,866 --> 00:18:56,466 Speaker 1: but his fastest time, by the way, is a five 348 00:18:56,706 --> 00:18:59,866 Speaker 1: point nine four. So I guess being fast doesn't necessarily 349 00:18:59,906 --> 00:19:03,306 Speaker 1: equate success because he's about as successful as they come 350 00:19:03,346 --> 00:19:06,226 Speaker 1: at our network. Right, Yeah, Look, I'm sure you've covered 351 00:19:06,226 --> 00:19:08,426 Speaker 1: a bunch of pro days. I have as well. It's 352 00:19:08,466 --> 00:19:11,826 Speaker 1: not just the forty that is used as a measuring 353 00:19:11,866 --> 00:19:14,866 Speaker 1: stick or something that I think NFL teams are hoping 354 00:19:15,186 --> 00:19:17,866 Speaker 1: is at least a little predictor of success. Broad jump, 355 00:19:18,066 --> 00:19:21,106 Speaker 1: three cones, drill, the vertical jump, the bench press, all 356 00:19:21,266 --> 00:19:24,626 Speaker 1: different measuring sticks. To me, it's almost like a horse 357 00:19:24,666 --> 00:19:27,186 Speaker 1: and pony show watching some of these guys, because physically 358 00:19:27,186 --> 00:19:29,226 Speaker 1: they're so gifted, and to see some of these numbers 359 00:19:29,226 --> 00:19:31,106 Speaker 1: a D it's jaw dropping. Well, and I think it's 360 00:19:31,146 --> 00:19:34,266 Speaker 1: important beyond them numbers, just to explain why these drills 361 00:19:34,386 --> 00:19:36,946 Speaker 1: are relevant, you know, Like when we talk about the 362 00:19:36,946 --> 00:19:39,546 Speaker 1: forty mic, it's often well, when do you see a 363 00:19:39,546 --> 00:19:41,786 Speaker 1: guy really running forty yards? Right? Like? Why does a 364 00:19:41,826 --> 00:19:45,626 Speaker 1: forty yard time matter for an offensive lineman who never Yeah, 365 00:19:45,746 --> 00:19:47,986 Speaker 1: like a lineman never moves more than five yards, so 366 00:19:48,026 --> 00:19:50,946 Speaker 1: why does the forty time really matter? I think it's 367 00:19:50,986 --> 00:19:52,826 Speaker 1: a good idea to jump through. Like, okay, so the 368 00:19:52,826 --> 00:19:55,546 Speaker 1: broad jump. You're never seeing anybody do a broad jump 369 00:19:55,586 --> 00:19:58,506 Speaker 1: on a football field. Why does that matter? Because how 370 00:19:58,586 --> 00:20:01,386 Speaker 1: far a player can jump is a good measurement for 371 00:20:01,546 --> 00:20:04,666 Speaker 1: sort of their lower body explosiveness, which we know is 372 00:20:04,706 --> 00:20:08,226 Speaker 1: incredibly important. The three con drill assesses how fast a 373 00:20:08,266 --> 00:20:10,626 Speaker 1: player can change direction, and you know that you want 374 00:20:10,706 --> 00:20:13,226 Speaker 1: just about anybody on a football field to have a 375 00:20:13,266 --> 00:20:16,706 Speaker 1: good change of direction. The vertical jump is a good 376 00:20:16,746 --> 00:20:20,146 Speaker 1: indicator for lower body explosiveness from the ground up, and 377 00:20:20,546 --> 00:20:23,186 Speaker 1: you know that might mean something different for a wide 378 00:20:23,186 --> 00:20:26,546 Speaker 1: receiver who's trying the high point a ball versus a 379 00:20:26,546 --> 00:20:29,946 Speaker 1: defensive lineman who's trying to block a pass or a 380 00:20:29,986 --> 00:20:33,906 Speaker 1: field goal, but still it's important. The bench press is, 381 00:20:33,946 --> 00:20:37,786 Speaker 1: of course, all about strength, and it's always fun to 382 00:20:37,946 --> 00:20:42,546 Speaker 1: see who can lift the most, and in some ways 383 00:20:42,586 --> 00:20:45,066 Speaker 1: it's important, some ways it's not. The guy that's number 384 00:20:45,066 --> 00:20:49,506 Speaker 1: two on the list is offensive lineman Mitch Petris. He 385 00:20:49,546 --> 00:20:51,906 Speaker 1: did this in two thousand and ten at Arkansas, and 386 00:20:51,946 --> 00:20:54,906 Speaker 1: I covered him with the new York Giants, but Mitch 387 00:20:55,146 --> 00:21:00,266 Speaker 1: was never a full time long starter in the NFL. 388 00:21:00,546 --> 00:21:05,426 Speaker 1: So there you go. There is something really impressive watching 389 00:21:05,466 --> 00:21:07,866 Speaker 1: some of these players at the bench press. Like I've 390 00:21:07,906 --> 00:21:10,266 Speaker 1: covered enough pro days where the guys who do it 391 00:21:10,306 --> 00:21:13,146 Speaker 1: well on the higher reps and like it really is 392 00:21:13,186 --> 00:21:15,386 Speaker 1: something to watch and then just everyone getting around because 393 00:21:15,426 --> 00:21:19,146 Speaker 1: it's it's that pure strength. It's kind of like freakazoid level. 394 00:21:19,306 --> 00:21:21,026 Speaker 1: I mean not everyone can do it and do it 395 00:21:21,066 --> 00:21:22,506 Speaker 1: at that level, so it is kind of cool just 396 00:21:22,546 --> 00:21:25,826 Speaker 1: from a fan's perspective, Like I get why people check 397 00:21:25,866 --> 00:21:29,266 Speaker 1: in on coverage just to see some of these videos. Sure, 398 00:21:29,346 --> 00:21:31,226 Speaker 1: but again that's not the be all end all of 399 00:21:31,426 --> 00:21:34,026 Speaker 1: whether you will be a successful NFL player or not. 400 00:21:34,186 --> 00:21:36,066 Speaker 1: I was just going to mention this speaking of like 401 00:21:36,186 --> 00:21:39,666 Speaker 1: complete performances and guys who have done well. Tristan Worse 402 00:21:39,906 --> 00:21:44,146 Speaker 1: out of Iowa plays for the bucks fastest forty, best vertical, 403 00:21:44,426 --> 00:21:47,226 Speaker 1: best broad jump by any player, weighing at least three 404 00:21:47,586 --> 00:21:51,266 Speaker 1: and twenty pounds at the combine. He was drafted thirteenth overall. 405 00:21:51,346 --> 00:21:54,786 Speaker 1: Back in Another guy that comes to mind, DK Metcalf 406 00:21:54,826 --> 00:21:58,386 Speaker 1: also had a great combine, shocking right fastest forty among 407 00:21:58,466 --> 00:22:01,866 Speaker 1: players when at least to five only player to record 408 00:22:01,906 --> 00:22:05,266 Speaker 1: a sub four four forty vertical jump of at least 409 00:22:05,266 --> 00:22:07,906 Speaker 1: forty inches and a broad jump of eleven feet and 410 00:22:07,946 --> 00:22:11,266 Speaker 1: have twenty plus reps on the bench. He was drafted 411 00:22:11,306 --> 00:22:14,426 Speaker 1: in the second round at sixty four Ferndon Davis, another 412 00:22:14,466 --> 00:22:16,786 Speaker 1: guy fastest forty. It was a four or four guy 413 00:22:16,866 --> 00:22:19,866 Speaker 1: best vertical jump when at least two fifty pounds. So 414 00:22:19,946 --> 00:22:22,626 Speaker 1: I know what you're saying not necessarily a precursor for success. 415 00:22:22,666 --> 00:22:25,906 Speaker 1: Those guys obviously have had success in the NFL. But 416 00:22:26,026 --> 00:22:29,706 Speaker 1: just the visuals of seeing guys that look like that 417 00:22:29,706 --> 00:22:33,066 Speaker 1: that way that much do things that other people can't do, 418 00:22:33,346 --> 00:22:35,386 Speaker 1: to me is one of the best parts of watching 419 00:22:35,466 --> 00:22:38,226 Speaker 1: any coverage around the Combine or any of the pro 420 00:22:38,306 --> 00:22:41,826 Speaker 1: day stuff. Some of this is not surprising to me, however. 421 00:22:42,026 --> 00:22:45,266 Speaker 1: I mean, you're naming guys that are really, really good 422 00:22:45,306 --> 00:22:49,146 Speaker 1: at what they do, and obviously they show an exemplary athleticism, 423 00:22:49,666 --> 00:22:52,306 Speaker 1: and what you're saying is is not that they were 424 00:22:52,306 --> 00:22:55,746 Speaker 1: the best at one discipline. They were amongst the best 425 00:22:55,786 --> 00:22:59,186 Speaker 1: at everything. So it feels a little chicken and eggish 426 00:22:59,226 --> 00:23:00,946 Speaker 1: to me. I'm with you all, I'm saying is from 427 00:23:00,986 --> 00:23:04,066 Speaker 1: like a visual standpoint. Watching stuff like that is just 428 00:23:04,266 --> 00:23:07,346 Speaker 1: it's it's really cool. It's fun. 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Okay, let's move 456 00:24:51,186 --> 00:24:53,426 Speaker 1: on to, of course, the most glamorous position, and that 457 00:24:53,586 --> 00:24:57,706 Speaker 1: of course is quarterback. And since you and I talked 458 00:24:57,706 --> 00:25:00,666 Speaker 1: about our height a fair amount, and you obviously lie 459 00:25:00,786 --> 00:25:05,706 Speaker 1: about your five inches, whatever, can you guess? Yeah? Yeah, 460 00:25:05,786 --> 00:25:08,746 Speaker 1: can you guess the shortest quarterbacks to be drafted in 461 00:25:08,786 --> 00:25:11,386 Speaker 1: the first round? I know the shortest one only because 462 00:25:11,586 --> 00:25:13,466 Speaker 1: I watched him a ton when he was in college, 463 00:25:13,706 --> 00:25:16,506 Speaker 1: and he's a guy that I roote for, so like, 464 00:25:16,586 --> 00:25:19,306 Speaker 1: this entire group of players to me are like the 465 00:25:19,466 --> 00:25:22,306 Speaker 1: can do guys that I just like because I'm obviously 466 00:25:22,306 --> 00:25:24,826 Speaker 1: not six five, but Kyler Murray. All the hoopla and 467 00:25:24,826 --> 00:25:27,906 Speaker 1: the fanfare around his size and for him to still 468 00:25:27,946 --> 00:25:30,106 Speaker 1: have the success that he's had at the NFL, to me, 469 00:25:30,146 --> 00:25:32,106 Speaker 1: it's just really cool. But I know it's Kyler Murray 470 00:25:32,266 --> 00:25:35,946 Speaker 1: h and you are correct. Number two would be Johnny Manzel, 471 00:25:36,026 --> 00:25:38,866 Speaker 1: who officially measured in at five ft eleven three and 472 00:25:38,906 --> 00:25:41,746 Speaker 1: a quarter inches. And I was there when Johnny Manzell 473 00:25:41,826 --> 00:25:44,386 Speaker 1: was drafted and I interviewed him, and you could find 474 00:25:44,386 --> 00:25:48,186 Speaker 1: photos of me next to Johnny Manzell, not five ft eleven. 475 00:25:48,426 --> 00:25:52,226 Speaker 1: The Browns next quarterback or car quarterback, Baker Mayfield is 476 00:25:52,226 --> 00:25:55,426 Speaker 1: supposed to be six ft and five eight inches, and 477 00:25:55,466 --> 00:25:57,426 Speaker 1: I will tell you that he is taller than Johnny Manzel. 478 00:25:57,666 --> 00:26:00,946 Speaker 1: So I'll buy that one. Now. Rex Grossman six one, 479 00:26:01,146 --> 00:26:04,746 Speaker 1: drafted twenty second overall in two thousand three. Totally by 480 00:26:04,786 --> 00:26:09,386 Speaker 1: that one. And then here's what's crazy. Patrick Mahomes, Christian Ponder, 481 00:26:09,426 --> 00:26:12,746 Speaker 1: and Aaron Rodgers are all six too, and that is 482 00:26:12,826 --> 00:26:17,146 Speaker 1: still included in the list of shortest first round quarterbacks, 483 00:26:17,186 --> 00:26:21,626 Speaker 1: which six two to me feels like a tremendously good height. 484 00:26:22,066 --> 00:26:24,026 Speaker 1: It's good height, and look at those are names of 485 00:26:24,066 --> 00:26:26,866 Speaker 1: guys that have actually had success at the NFL level. 486 00:26:26,986 --> 00:26:29,226 Speaker 1: So I think the outlier of the Murray's and the 487 00:26:29,226 --> 00:26:31,626 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfields of the world are probably the ones that 488 00:26:31,706 --> 00:26:35,346 Speaker 1: get the most attention just because they are the shortest guys. 489 00:26:35,426 --> 00:26:38,786 Speaker 1: But there's another measurement in terms of quarterbacks that always 490 00:26:38,946 --> 00:26:42,186 Speaker 1: comes up, and I've always felt like, does it really 491 00:26:42,306 --> 00:26:46,426 Speaker 1: matter talking about hand size two thousand three. The only 492 00:26:46,506 --> 00:26:48,946 Speaker 1: quarterbacks to be since two thousand three, i should say, 493 00:26:48,986 --> 00:26:50,906 Speaker 1: the only quarterbacks to be selected to the Pro Ball 494 00:26:51,226 --> 00:26:54,586 Speaker 1: with hands that measured nine inches or smaller at the 495 00:26:54,626 --> 00:26:59,266 Speaker 1: combine Jared Goff, Ryan Tannehill, Joe Burrow. So in fact, 496 00:26:59,306 --> 00:27:02,986 Speaker 1: twenty four quarterbacks have had hands that measured under nine inches, 497 00:27:03,066 --> 00:27:06,146 Speaker 1: only three have started a game in the NFL. Jake 498 00:27:06,186 --> 00:27:09,466 Speaker 1: from Brandon Allen, Charlie Fry so generally okay, and you 499 00:27:09,506 --> 00:27:11,866 Speaker 1: have to love though, you have to love Joe Burrow 500 00:27:12,026 --> 00:27:15,106 Speaker 1: a year ago, tweeting up, excuse me, sorry, I'm going 501 00:27:15,146 --> 00:27:17,786 Speaker 1: to have to retire because apparently my hands are so 502 00:27:17,826 --> 00:27:19,626 Speaker 1: small that the ball will slip out of my hands. 503 00:27:20,346 --> 00:27:22,826 Speaker 1: And here we are a couple of years later where 504 00:27:22,866 --> 00:27:27,906 Speaker 1: he absolutely galvanized a franchise and a fan base and 505 00:27:28,466 --> 00:27:31,666 Speaker 1: lead his underdog underdog underdog team to the Super Bowl 506 00:27:31,666 --> 00:27:35,986 Speaker 1: within basically a couple of plays of winning the Lombardi Trophy. Yeah, 507 00:27:36,026 --> 00:27:40,706 Speaker 1: and once again, sometimes these numbers are not an indicator 508 00:27:40,746 --> 00:27:43,386 Speaker 1: of success. I think it's just teams just trying to 509 00:27:43,426 --> 00:27:46,986 Speaker 1: figure out, Hey, like, what's what's that, what's that average? Where, 510 00:27:47,026 --> 00:27:50,266 Speaker 1: what's the threshold on where guys could actually sit? And Yeah, 511 00:27:50,346 --> 00:27:52,426 Speaker 1: but sometimes you wonder what the indicator of that is. 512 00:27:52,466 --> 00:27:54,186 Speaker 1: Because I can tell you that there's a guy who's 513 00:27:54,266 --> 00:27:55,946 Speaker 1: in the city that I live in right now that's 514 00:27:55,986 --> 00:27:58,746 Speaker 1: hearing this right now. Certainly you've heard about this. Oh 515 00:27:58,906 --> 00:28:01,346 Speaker 1: can you pick it? You're talking about yes, can you 516 00:28:01,386 --> 00:28:04,706 Speaker 1: pick it? People are questioning why does he wear two gloves? 517 00:28:04,746 --> 00:28:06,866 Speaker 1: Is he wearing two gloves a mask? The size of 518 00:28:06,906 --> 00:28:11,186 Speaker 1: his hand? Is his hand really under nine inches? Is 519 00:28:11,186 --> 00:28:14,186 Speaker 1: that really true? And or is it just because he's 520 00:28:14,186 --> 00:28:16,986 Speaker 1: got a double jointed thumb. Maybe I don't know. I 521 00:28:17,026 --> 00:28:18,666 Speaker 1: did see something that he's going to have to do 522 00:28:18,746 --> 00:28:22,346 Speaker 1: hand exercises to develop more accurate measurements at the combine? 523 00:28:23,386 --> 00:28:26,186 Speaker 1: Can we do some exercises to make us taller? Like 524 00:28:26,186 --> 00:28:28,666 Speaker 1: I don't even know what that means. That's just like 525 00:28:29,226 --> 00:28:31,466 Speaker 1: like like what do you? What do you? I don't know. 526 00:28:31,546 --> 00:28:34,186 Speaker 1: I thought it was kind of a cool little side note. 527 00:28:34,186 --> 00:28:35,666 Speaker 1: I just don't know what it means, you know. I 528 00:28:35,706 --> 00:28:38,386 Speaker 1: do wonder, though, I will say this, Mike, how long 529 00:28:38,426 --> 00:28:42,306 Speaker 1: before these measurements are outdated? Right? You know, the NFL 530 00:28:42,386 --> 00:28:44,866 Speaker 1: is always trying to be at the forefront of evolution 531 00:28:44,946 --> 00:28:47,906 Speaker 1: and the combine. It's no exception to that. So in 532 00:28:48,826 --> 00:28:53,266 Speaker 1: one our guy, Daniel Jeremiah, who's our draft expert and 533 00:28:53,306 --> 00:28:55,706 Speaker 1: who is one of the nicest humans on the planet, 534 00:28:56,146 --> 00:29:00,386 Speaker 1: tweeted that the forty yard dash is becoming obsolete, and 535 00:29:00,386 --> 00:29:04,506 Speaker 1: he specifically pointed to game GPS data as a much 536 00:29:04,586 --> 00:29:08,146 Speaker 1: more superior measurement of speed. And the Rams, who just 537 00:29:08,186 --> 00:29:10,946 Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl, by the way, have already been 538 00:29:11,066 --> 00:29:15,146 Speaker 1: using GPS data instead of actual forty times for their 539 00:29:15,226 --> 00:29:18,666 Speaker 1: draft picks. Not that you know they're all about high 540 00:29:18,706 --> 00:29:22,866 Speaker 1: draft picks. Clearly I don't have many of those. They 541 00:29:22,906 --> 00:29:26,066 Speaker 1: like trading away those picks, but hey, they they are 542 00:29:26,306 --> 00:29:29,026 Speaker 1: on a victory parade through l A, so more power 543 00:29:29,106 --> 00:29:31,626 Speaker 1: to them. Cooper Cup one of those guys, by the way, 544 00:29:31,866 --> 00:29:35,106 Speaker 1: the DRAMs drafted in the third round. Dude ran a 545 00:29:35,146 --> 00:29:37,786 Speaker 1: four six to forty at the combine. Now, I think 546 00:29:37,826 --> 00:29:40,426 Speaker 1: we've all seen him ball out this season, Like that 547 00:29:40,466 --> 00:29:43,506 Speaker 1: doesn't even seem relatively accurate. Offensive Player of the Year 548 00:29:44,306 --> 00:29:46,866 Speaker 1: Super Bowl m VP, by the way, doing something right there, 549 00:29:47,026 --> 00:29:51,666 Speaker 1: and drafted after your guy, Juju Smith Schuster ju Ju. 550 00:29:51,746 --> 00:29:54,306 Speaker 1: All right, But the RAMS like they were interested not 551 00:29:54,386 --> 00:29:57,546 Speaker 1: necessarily in that time, but more on the GPS data 552 00:29:57,626 --> 00:29:59,306 Speaker 1: side for the rats that he ran at the Senior 553 00:29:59,346 --> 00:30:03,106 Speaker 1: Bowl to gauge how quickly he could navigate in shorter spaces. 554 00:30:03,226 --> 00:30:06,666 Speaker 1: So to me, once again, you said, like, is the 555 00:30:06,666 --> 00:30:08,706 Speaker 1: forty obsolutely Like I think you can make a case 556 00:30:08,826 --> 00:30:11,426 Speaker 1: like it kind of is at this point, Like there 557 00:30:11,426 --> 00:30:14,786 Speaker 1: are more opportunities to gauge what players can do real 558 00:30:14,866 --> 00:30:18,106 Speaker 1: time in real game situations, and data, as we know, 559 00:30:18,626 --> 00:30:20,666 Speaker 1: drives a lot of the things that we do in 560 00:30:20,706 --> 00:30:24,026 Speaker 1: the NFL from an analytic side of things, a players safety, 561 00:30:24,146 --> 00:30:26,346 Speaker 1: so I think from a future draft pick, like, you're 562 00:30:26,346 --> 00:30:28,426 Speaker 1: gonna probably hear a lot more of this in the 563 00:30:28,506 --> 00:30:32,626 Speaker 1: draft in April. But here's another thing, like combine is 564 00:30:33,226 --> 00:30:35,546 Speaker 1: generally speaking, we had mentioned you've got to be invite 565 00:30:35,586 --> 00:30:37,986 Speaker 1: only in the whole thing. This year, the NFL has 566 00:30:38,066 --> 00:30:42,426 Speaker 1: actually held its first ever, HBCU Combine players that attend 567 00:30:42,586 --> 00:30:45,746 Speaker 1: historically black colleges were able to showcase themselves and keep 568 00:30:45,746 --> 00:30:47,866 Speaker 1: in mind, like, there's some real dudes in the league. 569 00:30:47,946 --> 00:30:49,986 Speaker 1: Darius Leonard one of those guys that comes to mind 570 00:30:50,026 --> 00:30:52,826 Speaker 1: who came from an HBCU. So a lot of talent 571 00:30:52,946 --> 00:30:55,146 Speaker 1: that's there. And as a guy that just was covering 572 00:30:55,146 --> 00:30:57,506 Speaker 1: the nfl p A Collegiate Bowl in the East West 573 00:30:57,506 --> 00:31:00,506 Speaker 1: Shrine Game, there are more and more players that are coming, 574 00:31:00,626 --> 00:31:03,066 Speaker 1: Like Jackson State's got a kid at Dian Sanders had 575 00:31:03,106 --> 00:31:06,626 Speaker 1: comped to um to Mica Parson's Like, there's enough players 576 00:31:06,626 --> 00:31:07,986 Speaker 1: that are out there that we're going to see plan 577 00:31:08,106 --> 00:31:12,666 Speaker 1: on Sundays from HBCUs. Well, I do think that expanding 578 00:31:12,706 --> 00:31:15,346 Speaker 1: the search is just a smart thing, right, I Mean, 579 00:31:15,426 --> 00:31:18,866 Speaker 1: isn't that the whole idea. So it's funny though that 580 00:31:18,906 --> 00:31:23,146 Speaker 1: you talk about the sort of regional combines and general 581 00:31:23,186 --> 00:31:25,626 Speaker 1: locations for combine because, as I sort of hinted at 582 00:31:25,626 --> 00:31:28,826 Speaker 1: the top, the location of the Combine beyond this year 583 00:31:29,306 --> 00:31:32,066 Speaker 1: is kind of up in the air. You know, there 584 00:31:32,066 --> 00:31:34,386 Speaker 1: have been rumors and we do know that the league 585 00:31:34,506 --> 00:31:36,546 Speaker 1: signed a five year deal with Indie back in two 586 00:31:36,586 --> 00:31:41,546 Speaker 1: thousand sixteen, but that only takes us to two twenty two, 587 00:31:41,666 --> 00:31:46,586 Speaker 1: so there's another five year term up. And last June, 588 00:31:47,026 --> 00:31:49,906 Speaker 1: the NFL sent a memo to all thirty two clubs 589 00:31:49,946 --> 00:31:54,306 Speaker 1: and said, hey, we are looking for a partnership. So 590 00:31:54,386 --> 00:31:57,866 Speaker 1: now the combine joins the Draft and the Super Bowl 591 00:31:57,906 --> 00:32:02,986 Speaker 1: as another NFL event that could cycle between locations. And 592 00:32:03,026 --> 00:32:06,586 Speaker 1: according to Troy Vincent, the NFL looking into how to 593 00:32:07,226 --> 00:32:14,346 Speaker 1: quote unquote improve the athlete experience. Yeah, that's in Indianapolis 594 00:32:14,466 --> 00:32:16,786 Speaker 1: or elsewhere. I just hope that they settle on Indianapolis 595 00:32:16,866 --> 00:32:19,586 Speaker 1: because that really is the best place for this to happen. 596 00:32:20,066 --> 00:32:22,306 Speaker 1: Well keep in mind too, like the league continues to 597 00:32:22,346 --> 00:32:32,666 Speaker 1: expand and go international, they're also hosting international combines right Australia, Germany, uh, London, Mexico. 598 00:32:32,706 --> 00:32:34,306 Speaker 1: The list goes on and on. So the point is 599 00:32:34,346 --> 00:32:36,426 Speaker 1: expanding that searching to you that you made reference to 600 00:32:37,226 --> 00:32:41,066 Speaker 1: really critical to not only a pipeline from a fan 601 00:32:41,106 --> 00:32:43,986 Speaker 1: base perspective, but also to get some dudes in here 602 00:32:44,026 --> 00:32:47,106 Speaker 1: who could play that have untraditional paths. But wherever it 603 00:32:47,186 --> 00:32:49,226 Speaker 1: ends up, I know, I'm grateful we got the NFL 604 00:32:49,266 --> 00:32:51,866 Speaker 1: Combine to kind of get us through the through the 605 00:32:51,906 --> 00:32:55,626 Speaker 1: off season and get us to the start of next season. 606 00:32:55,946 --> 00:32:58,266 Speaker 1: But I think everyone's really excited about the combine. It 607 00:32:58,506 --> 00:33:01,746 Speaker 1: gives us a glimpse of the next generation of great 608 00:33:01,866 --> 00:33:05,266 Speaker 1: NFL star and it gives us something to talk about. 609 00:33:05,266 --> 00:33:07,026 Speaker 1: And of course we got everyone cover. We got the 610 00:33:07,066 --> 00:33:10,106 Speaker 1: Combine on NFL Network. We got complete draft coverage that's 611 00:33:10,106 --> 00:33:12,906 Speaker 1: around the corner here coming up in April. And do 612 00:33:12,986 --> 00:33:14,706 Speaker 1: not forget a d D. I made reference this a 613 00:33:14,706 --> 00:33:17,146 Speaker 1: little bit earlier in the show and the mail bag 614 00:33:17,146 --> 00:33:19,226 Speaker 1: episode that was so popular that you and I had 615 00:33:19,266 --> 00:33:22,506 Speaker 1: a blast doing. 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