1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:02,520 Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning. 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 2: The Breakfast Club Morning. 3 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 3: Everybody is the j Envy Jess, hilarious, Charlamagne a god. 4 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:10,959 Speaker 3: We are to Breakfast Club long the Rosa fillin Info Jess, 5 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 3: And we got a special guest in the building. Yes, indeed, 6 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 3: back with a new book out right now, The Wind 7 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 3: on her Tongue, Ladies and gentlemen, Anita Kopak. 8 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 4: Welcome, thank you, thank you. It is so awesome to 9 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:23,280 Speaker 4: be back here. 10 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 5: That's right, book two of the Daughters of the Daughter 11 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 5: of Three Waters trilogy. 12 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, tell us what the wind in the 13 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:31,319 Speaker 4: tongue is? 14 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:32,520 Speaker 2: Win on her Tongue is all about. 15 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 6: So the Wind on her Tongue is about Oya, who 16 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 6: is the daughter of Yameya. 17 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 4: Whom our first novel, Shallow Waters is about yea Aya. 18 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 6: And so Oya is her daughter, and not only in 19 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 6: my stories, but in the ancient parables and in the 20 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 6: religion of the Europe of people the Epha and so 21 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 6: Oya is the goddess of the wind and storms and 22 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 6: so many other things. But I think one of the 23 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 6: things that mainstream might know her as like Storm, the 24 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:13,119 Speaker 6: character in Black x Men, she is kind of fashioned 25 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 6: after Oya. So Oya can like change the weather and 26 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 6: bring So this year, which is twenty twenty five, is 27 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 6: a number nine. 28 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 4: Year, sure, which is Oya's number. 29 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 6: Yes, the end, right, if this is the end, this 30 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 6: is when there's a lot of transformation. Things are moving fast, 31 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 6: and we can tell as soon as twenty twenty five started, 32 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 6: right like what this year is. And so this is 33 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 6: really the energy of Oya. And that was not on 34 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 6: purpose that this book was coming out on a year nine. 35 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 7: So in the opening of the book, it's not like 36 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 7: the first chapter. I don't know if it's the forward 37 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 7: or the note, but you talk about how like in 38 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 7: black communities we're not really allowed to talk about these 39 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 7: like folklore. The other communities and other ethnicities are able 40 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 7: to talk about. And it made me think about how 41 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 7: like with your grandma, even with my grandma, certain things 42 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:09,679 Speaker 7: she's like, turn it off, that's demonica, that's not God. 43 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 7: But then they have certain things that they lean into. 44 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 7: How do you have those conversations with your family because 45 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 7: you're putting this on the forefront, and I'm sure some 46 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 7: of your family is like, girl, what are you doing? 47 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 6: Absolutely, And the thing is is that I've had these 48 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 6: conversations like way earlier from the beginning, because I would 49 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 6: be like, well, what do. 50 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 4: You mean, Like we can't learn about our history. We 51 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 4: can't learn about our like gods and. 52 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 6: Goddesses, our parables, right, our stories? Why is it demonic? 53 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 6: Who said it to demonic? We know who said it 54 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 6: to demonic? Right, And so it's like we've I've dot 55 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 6: white people, yeah. 56 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 4: Saying it. 57 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 6: But they got it from somewhere, right, they got it 58 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,359 Speaker 6: from somewhere because it's like it's it's where. 59 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,119 Speaker 4: Our ancestors are from. It's us. It's like who we are. 60 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 6: And so even if you're not going to practice the religion, 61 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 6: you know, like it's like, oh, but can't we know 62 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 6: our history? Like why is it demonic to know our history? 63 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 4: To know the stories? And they know them. 64 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 6: Like if you think of like some of the the 65 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 6: who do practice practices, it's like in our families, like 66 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 6: you know, if you're going to the beginning of the year, 67 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 6: you want to have black eyed peas, you know, like exactly, 68 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 6: and so it's like. 69 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 4: We're doing it, we're doing it. 70 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 6: But you know, it's there's just that that fine line. 71 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 6: But I think more and more people are waking up 72 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:32,239 Speaker 6: because it's in us. 73 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 4: It's in us. And like it. 74 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 6: A part of it is our power, remembering our power, 75 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 6: remembering who we are, and and so there's not really 76 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 6: any stopping. We can't burn books, we can do whatever 77 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 6: it is. It's inside of us. It's inside of us, 78 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 6: and at some point some of us are going to remember, 79 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 6: some of us are going to write it down right, 80 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 6: and who knows who's going to be inspired by this 81 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 6: book right to create more things and remember more things. 82 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: So what made you dive into all of this? 83 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 3: I know you were here before, you briefly explained, but 84 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 3: for people that this is the first time hearing, what 85 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 3: made you dive into this part of it? 86 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 6: So to me, I felt like Oya, not oya, yeme 87 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 6: Ya like dove into me because I was, I would say, curious, 88 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 6: but not like I wasn't. I wasn't practicing the religion 89 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 6: or anything, but I had a lot of friends who were. 90 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 6: And someone had told me that yeme Ya watched over 91 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 6: our ancestors as they came over on the slave ships. 92 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 4: And I was just like, what. 93 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:42,919 Speaker 6: We had a black mermaid like watching over us, watching 94 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 6: over the souls that jumped off, And I was like, 95 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 6: what is this? I was like, I don't know these 96 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 6: stories and I'm a curious person, so I was like, 97 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 6: I want to learn about this, and so as I 98 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 6: was diving in, I just felt so connected. 99 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 4: The more and more I learned, the more. 100 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 6: I felt like I woke up, the I felt like 101 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 6: I was going. 102 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 4: Home and I was like, what is this? And so. 103 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 6: At some point I decided to, you know, write the book. 104 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 6: And as I was writing the book, to me, it 105 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 6: felt like for Shallow Waters, it felt like, yeah, yeah, 106 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 6: was sitting at the edge of the bed telling me 107 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 6: the story. 108 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 4: And so there were things. 109 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 6: That I had to look up after to make sure 110 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 6: that you know history, these are both historical fiction, and 111 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 6: so the history part I definitely had to like look 112 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,039 Speaker 6: up make sure that it all made sense. And of 113 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 6: course you know the publishers they helped me with that as. 114 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 4: Well too, to keep me on point. 115 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 6: But I would say if I just felt such a 116 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 6: calling to it. And then what was interesting was when 117 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 6: Shallow Waters came out, African Ancestry got a hold of 118 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:54,919 Speaker 6: me and they're like, do you want to see like 119 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 6: where your ancestry is from. I was like, yeah, actually 120 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 6: that would be kind of dope, and it is. 121 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 4: It's Yureba and Housa and so I was like, Oh, 122 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 4: it's because it was It's in me, gotcha, That's why 123 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 4: I felt so connected. 124 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 5: You know, you wrote an article for People magazine and 125 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 5: break it down the parallels between Wicked's el Faba Alphaba 126 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 5: Alphabe Yes and how they defy the gravity of social 127 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 5: norms and expectations break then m. 128 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 6: So when I watched Wicked and I saw Alphaba's character, 129 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 6: I was like, Oh, this is Oya right, Like, like 130 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 6: how nobody understands her. How when she gets mad, this 131 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 6: power comes out of her. She doesn't understand the power, 132 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 6: and then someone else has to understand it first, you know, 133 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 6: help her to like hone it. And there were so 134 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:49,359 Speaker 6: many things how she just stood up against the like 135 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 6: societal norms right, and was able to be herself. 136 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 4: And she did have to. 137 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 6: Go through her own journey and different relationships in. 138 00:06:58,920 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 4: Order to do that. 139 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 6: So Oia is very similar, where she has this power 140 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 6: within her of the storm and gathering up right the. 141 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 4: Energy of the the nature and all of these things. 142 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 6: And in the beginning, it's just happens when she's mad, right, 143 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 6: And I don't want to tell the story, but you know, 144 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 6: she learns about herself and about her powers. And what 145 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 6: was really cool about what I found out after I 146 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 6: wrote that article is that who Alphabe's character is fashioned after, 147 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 6: which is Matilda Jocelyn Gage. 148 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 4: That's Tilly in Shallow Waters. That's Matilda Joscelyn Gage. 149 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 6: Like when I was doing like the research and everything, 150 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 6: and I was like, I like this woman, Like she 151 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 6: was like she was like fighting. She was a white woman, 152 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 6: she was a suffragette. She fought for black and indigenous rights. 153 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 4: She fought for even. 154 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 6: Child slavery as far as like trafficking back then. 155 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 4: She did so many things. And I was like, I 156 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 4: like this woman. So I made her Tilly and she 157 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 4: that's who Alphabe is. Fashion had no idea. 158 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: How you talking about the sixteenth Truths. 159 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 2: A little bit? 160 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 6: Oh oh listen, okay. I put that onto my Instagram 161 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 6: because I'm not a I would say I don't know 162 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 6: everything about Epha, right, I know, like one like one 163 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 6: of the truths that is very important is know thyself, right, 164 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 6: like really knowing yourself even before you find what arisha. 165 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 4: So the orishas are like. 166 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 6: The the energies that represent the different than natural forces 167 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 6: in the world. 168 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 4: So this is. 169 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 6: She's of storm weather, yama Yah was the ocean, right, 170 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,559 Speaker 6: And so they're not necessarily gods and goddesses. I just 171 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 6: we just say that for the purpose here, right, So 172 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 6: they're they're more like spirits. And so even before you 173 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 6: really know who's on your head, that's what they will say, 174 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 6: who's on your head? 175 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 4: Like what Arisha rules. 176 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 6: You, You have to know yourself and so really connecting 177 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,959 Speaker 6: to yourself and your ancestors and what you were born 178 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 6: for and so that you know, to me would be 179 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 6: one of the most important truths in EVA. 180 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: When you were growing up, did you know you wanted to. 181 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 4: Be a writer, Let me tell you. 182 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 3: Just just just scroll and I see you a tap dancer. 183 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 3: You're you know you do so much? Did you know 184 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 3: that you wanted to be an. 185 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 6: Art So I I was a like math and science nerd, 186 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 6: Like I went to UC Berkeley. I went to UC 187 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 6: Berkeley with my bestie Risha Rocks here and she actually 188 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 6: did my makeup, so and I did civil engineering. So 189 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 6: I was very much like math science nerd. But I 190 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 6: always love storytelling and I am dyslexic, so I actually 191 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 6: didn't think I could be a writer like that wasn't 192 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 6: really like I was, like, I can't spell shit, you know, 193 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 6: Like I'm like, fuck, yeah, okay, And so I didn't 194 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 6: think I could. 195 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 4: Be a writer until my senior year. 196 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,079 Speaker 6: They're like, Anita, if you don't take Freshman English, you're 197 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 6: not going to graduate. 198 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: And I was like, I got to take fresh freshman all. 199 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 6: The way through without doing it, yes, because I had 200 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 6: you know, I was doing crazy math classes, science all 201 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:45,959 Speaker 6: of that. 202 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 4: And they're like, you. 203 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: Need to take Freshman Fail for freshman year. 204 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 4: You're not going to graduate. 205 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 6: And so I took the class and I fell in 206 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:55,439 Speaker 6: love with it. 207 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 4: I fell in love with the storytelling and all. 208 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 6: Of that, and so I was like, actually, wait, is 209 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 6: this what I want to do? And I loved learning 210 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 6: about the African diaspora, the different places within the diaspora, 211 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 6: the people, how are we, how are we alike? 212 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 4: How are we different? And what wakes up inside of us? 213 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 6: Like you can't really describe what wakes up inside of 214 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:22,319 Speaker 6: us when we learn more and more about our true ancestry, 215 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 6: because it's like you're getting closer and closer to home 216 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 6: and there's these energies and people are like, you're glowing. 217 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 2: What is that? 218 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 6: And so I feel like that's kind of what happened 219 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 6: and once I hit that, I was like, oh, I'm 220 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 6: a storyteller. I gotta figure this out. I gotta And 221 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 6: luckily the world has turned into. 222 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 4: A place where I don't have to know how to smell. 223 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 5: You know, I want you to go deeper into who 224 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 5: oh yeah is right? Because you dedicate the book to 225 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 5: a lot of your friends who have experienced, you know, 226 00:11:56,120 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 5: still born births and miscarriages and oh yeah, the African 227 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 5: goddess who watches over women who have had still borns 228 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 5: and miscarriages. 229 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 2: So can you respond on that little yes? 230 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 6: That just gave me chills because to know that there 231 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 6: is an energy or a goddess out there that is 232 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 6: watching over women who have lost children. So I've told 233 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 6: you about my time when I went to Peru and 234 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 6: I did ahuasca and San Pedro, right, And so when. 235 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 4: I did San Pedro, my ancestors came to me san Pedro. 236 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:33,119 Speaker 6: So san Pedro is it? I believe it's a cactus 237 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:41,119 Speaker 6: and and it's a drugs medical. 238 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 4: Medicine, flat medicine. 239 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:47,679 Speaker 6: And and so you you go into the space like 240 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 6: you just get deeper in touch with this with the 241 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 6: energies around. To me, it felt like I was more 242 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 6: in touch with the invisible energies that are around. And 243 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 6: so my ancestors came to me and they said, what 244 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 6: is happening right now is that so many of us 245 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 6: are dealing with the loss of children, whether it was 246 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 6: us or our ancestors down the line who had lost children, 247 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 6: lost children through through death, through being taken away in 248 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 6: during slavery. So many people are suffering from that that 249 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 6: we're trying to hold on to everything. So that's why 250 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 6: people have clutter, that's why people think they have to 251 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 6: keep things and like as if we can own anything ever, right, 252 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 6: And so that's what the ancestors told me. And so 253 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 6: then when I found out that Oya watches over women 254 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 6: who had lost babies in any form, right like the stillbirths, miscarriages, 255 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 6: even abortions, right Like, it's like you've lost a child, 256 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 6: and she helps with the healing, and she helps with 257 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 6: you know, getting us because she is the goddess of 258 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 6: the storm, she's the goddess of transformation. 259 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 4: So she moves things around so that. 260 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 6: If there is a healing like that that needs to happen, 261 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 6: because that's such a deep wound, she comes and she 262 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 6: blows the shit away, so that so that you can heal. 263 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 7: It's crazy because in your writing a lot of times 264 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 7: I can relate it to things like how you talked 265 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 7: about like the black eyed peas and the fried chicken, 266 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 7: and I'm like, oh, yeah, that's what they were doing. 267 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 7: But with that, I couldn't relate it to anything. And 268 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 7: I'm like, I don't think I've ever had a conversation 269 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 7: in my family just about what happens if you have 270 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 7: a miscarriage and how you feel. 271 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 4: I don't even know. 272 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 7: I'm sure it has happened, but I don't know any 273 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 7: close family mermors that I've ever talked to me about it. 274 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, because people don't talk about it, and they definitely have, right, 275 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 6: like someone has. 276 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 4: It's in all of our families, right. 277 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 6: If it hasn't happened to you, it's like happened to someone. 278 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 4: Who's close to you. 279 00:14:56,440 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 6: And it's a lot of times people just go through 280 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 6: through it in silence and go to work right in 281 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 6: a couple of days and not you know, like not 282 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 6: be able to deal with it. And we know that 283 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 6: if we hide things away, they just keep growing and 284 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 6: growing and growing. And so it's so important to have 285 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 6: a place and a way to heal from these things. 286 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 6: And I'm also a spiritual psychologist, so I do deal 287 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 6: with people in that way. As far as guiding people 288 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 6: through trauma and things like that, I do it with 289 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 6: the Goddess Wisdom Counsel. 290 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 4: We have a retreat that's coming up in Costa Rica. 291 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 6: So a lot of times I work with women who 292 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 6: have experienced some form of sexual trauma. 293 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:49,479 Speaker 4: That's one of my things that I work with a lot. 294 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 4: And what is interesting with. 295 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 6: That too is that it's not always directly like a 296 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 6: woman can be like, oh my gosh, I don't remember 297 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 6: anything happening to me, but I noticed the way I act, 298 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 6: it's as if something happened. So it could be something 299 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 6: that she doesn't remember, or it could be something that 300 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 6: happened in her family line. Because if it did happen 301 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 6: to her grandmother, right, like she's passing it down Like 302 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 6: what's inside of us is what was in our ancestors. 303 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 4: So here's you know. 304 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 7: Can you break down the parallels that you make with 305 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 7: Oya in the Black Woman trope Angry Black Woman? And 306 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 7: then you talk about duality too, because you talk about 307 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 7: how the hurricanes are like so strong and people hate them. 308 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 7: But then after sometimes they reveal beautiful things, people come 309 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 7: together to get through them. 310 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: Yes. 311 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 6: Yes, So that was actually one of the things that 312 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 6: came up for me with Oya a lot, because I 313 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 6: was actually kind of afraid at first to write about 314 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 6: her because I was like, Oh, Oya scares me a 315 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 6: little bit. 316 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 4: She's a beast. 317 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 6: She's an unbeatable warrior. Like that's who she is. She's 318 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 6: an unbeatable warrior, Like, don't fuck with her. And I 319 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 6: was like, oh, I'm a little scared to write about Oya. 320 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 6: And then when I started like learning about her and 321 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 6: writing about her and listening to her, I was like, 322 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:08,439 Speaker 6: oh shit, it's like the angry black woman. Like people 323 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 6: being afraid of the angry black woman. I was like, 324 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 6: she's not angry, she's just powerful. And just because you 325 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 6: can't handle it right, just because they you know, just 326 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:21,360 Speaker 6: because I couldn't handle it right, Like from from what 327 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 6: I thought about her, it was. 328 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 4: Like, No, she is just powerful. 329 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 6: And I think it's that misunderstanding that, like people misunderstand 330 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 6: that like a black person, a black woman is just 331 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 6: saying what she needs. Oh she's angry, right, She's just 332 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 6: telling people that she doesn't like something. Oh she's angry, 333 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 6: And we know, other people say that they don't like 334 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 6: things all the time, y. 335 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 2: Wh white people, especially white men. 336 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:54,919 Speaker 5: Exactly do you think that these these uh, these these 337 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 5: these goddesses possess you when you're writing, Like do they 338 00:17:58,720 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 5: are they like guiding you? 339 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 2: Like, OK, hey, I need you to tell this story 340 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 2: about me, so. 341 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 6: I gotta tell you something, because yes, I had an 342 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 6: experience like that, so I didn't necessarily feel like that. 343 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:11,439 Speaker 6: So with Yemy, I felt like she was sitting at 344 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 6: the edge of my bed right telling me with oh yeah, 345 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:15,120 Speaker 6: I wasn't sure. 346 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 4: I couldn't quite. 347 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 6: I didn't feel like I was possessed. But at the end, 348 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 6: when I finished writing, I like that. After I wrote 349 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 6: the last word, I was like. 350 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:25,919 Speaker 4: Let me go downstairs. 351 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 6: I put on some music and I started dancing, and 352 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 6: all of a sudden, I just started balling crying and 353 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 6: it felt like she was coming out of me, Like 354 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 6: it was just like and I don't know where these 355 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 6: tears were coming from. It was just like sh and 356 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:46,159 Speaker 6: I was just like, oh my gosh, was shent. It 357 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,439 Speaker 6: didn't feel like it. I don't know, I don't know 358 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 6: what it feels like to be possessed, but it didn't 359 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 6: feel like it in that way, but it did feel 360 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 6: like I was definitely guided. She was telling me the story. 361 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 6: She was telling me who needed to be in it. 362 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 6: You know, some of the characters I love to work 363 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 6: with with historical figures, so like Marie Leveaux and mary 364 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 6: Ellen Pleasant. So Ellen is named Ellen. Mary Ellen Pleasant 365 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 6: is Ellen in the book because sometimes she was people 366 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 6: called her Ellen or Mammy Pleasant. But anyway, when I 367 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 6: was looking up Mary Ellen Pleasant, I was like, who 368 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 6: is this woman? How Come I don't know about her 369 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 6: before Madam C J. 370 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 4: Walker. She was. 371 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 6: She was the first self made millionaire woman. And this 372 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 6: is not just black women, it's women. She's the first 373 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:42,159 Speaker 6: one before Madam C. J. 374 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 4: Walker. And I was like, how come I. 375 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 6: Didn't learn about her? Was because she was a voodoo queen. 376 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 6: I don't want to teach that in school. She was 377 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 6: also a madam. That's not how she made like most 378 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 6: of her money, but she. 379 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 4: Found co founded Bank of California, which is now Wells Fargo. 380 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 6: She's like, did so many things invested in, like. 381 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 4: In gold, silver, a lot of real estate. 382 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,479 Speaker 6: And the thing is while she was doing this, because 383 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 6: of the time, she was pretending that she was a 384 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 6: mammy so she was pretending that she was the help, right, 385 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 6: so she would dress up like the help. 386 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 4: She had a thirty room mansion. 387 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 6: When people came by, she would pretend she was the help, 388 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 6: and then she would like serve. 389 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:34,360 Speaker 4: The white men would be. 390 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 6: Talking about the investments they're making, and she would take 391 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,479 Speaker 6: that and go do her inside training training. 392 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 2: She was like the spook who sat by the door and. 393 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, and so she was amazing and I was like, 394 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 6: why how come I don't know about her? And so 395 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:50,919 Speaker 6: when I was studying about her, I saw that she 396 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 6: studied under Marie Levau, and so that's kind. 397 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 4: Of where I got all of the characters and Marie Lavaux, 398 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 4: Oh my gosh. 399 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 6: When I went to New Orleans to learn about learn 400 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:07,439 Speaker 6: more about her, I had a tour guide and he 401 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 6: was like, so, what do you guys think when we 402 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 6: when I say voodoo and we're like, okay, African religion, 403 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 6: you know, honoring ancestors. And he was like, oh, thank god, 404 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 6: I don't have to, like, you know, break down what 405 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 6: it is, because he's like most people you say voodoo, 406 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 6: they're like dark magic, you know, evil like all this stuff. 407 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 2: Well, from Socaculine, we say roots, yes, roots on you. 408 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 4: Yes, exactly right. 409 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 6: And so so when I learned about her through his eyes, 410 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 6: you know she's she's a healer, right, she's most of 411 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 6: the people who have actually met her and talked about her, 412 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 6: they were saying how she helped them and how she 413 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 6: was a healer. 414 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 4: And then you know, in stories in. 415 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 6: Pop culture, she's still like seen as like a voodoo 416 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 6: queen who drank baby's blood. But none of that, I mean, 417 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 6: as far as I know, none of that happened. 418 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 5: When I read Shallow Waters, you know, four or five 419 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 5: years ago, whenever it was I didn't know it was 420 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 5: going to end up being a trilogy. 421 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:09,159 Speaker 2: Did you know that? 422 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:10,959 Speaker 4: I didn't know it. 423 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 6: But people kept going, it's a trilogy, and I was like, no, no, 424 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 6: it's done, the story finished, it's done. 425 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 4: People so many people they're like, it's a trilogy. It's 426 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 4: a trilogy. 427 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 6: Did you say that to me? 428 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 4: I remember, But trilogy? I wonder what, I don't know, 429 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 4: why doesn't it keep going on? 430 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 2: So? Well? 431 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 6: The Daughter of three Waters, let me tell you where 432 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 6: that comes from. Because in Cuba, and usually you have 433 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 6: just the two orishas on your head, a male and 434 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 6: a female, and so that would be who like kind 435 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 6: of rules. 436 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 4: You or rules kind of the energies of your life. 437 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 6: And they have one thing in Cuba where if it 438 00:22:55,720 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 6: feels like you have Yameya and Oshoon, they'll say, oh, 439 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 6: that's a daughter of two waters because you can have 440 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 6: that in Cuba. 441 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:08,919 Speaker 4: Everywhere else they don't really have that. 442 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 6: And so I was like, oh, well, Oya feels like 443 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 6: water for me too, So that's why I made that 444 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 6: up Daughter of three Waters. 445 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 2: So do you know what the third installment is going 446 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 2: to be about? 447 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 4: I do? 448 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 2: Okay, so I do. 449 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 6: I mean it's most people probably will figure out that 450 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 6: it is Oshoon, so it will be Oshoon, and I 451 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:33,640 Speaker 6: do have the story. 452 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 2: But ocean sitting on the edge of your bed or 453 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 2: she is? 454 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:39,959 Speaker 5: She is? 455 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 6: Wait okay wait, I'm trying to think if I should 456 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:43,880 Speaker 6: be sharing this yet. 457 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 4: Probably not. 458 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 5: Okay, let's focus on the window telling you it's out 459 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 5: right now. You said something in your dedications that I 460 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 5: found interesting too. You said, uh, you said your mom, dad, 461 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 5: and sisters for putting up with you as a child. 462 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 5: Then you shouted out your children for putting up with 463 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 5: you as an adult. Is there anything from your childhood 464 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 5: that you have bought with you into adulthood that made 465 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 5: you say adulthood. 466 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 4: I was definitely like this as a child. I mean 467 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 4: I was. 468 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 6: I was very introverted though I was quiet, but I 469 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 6: was very much in my own world, like in this 470 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 6: magical world all the time. And for my kids, I'm 471 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 6: kind of more like one of the kids. It's not 472 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 6: necessarily how I thought I would adult. I thought I 473 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:29,719 Speaker 6: was going to be a little bit more strict. 474 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 4: My mom. 475 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:34,120 Speaker 6: She's amazing, but she was definitely strict with us as well. 476 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 4: Mom, I love you. 477 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 6: That's she's amazing. But you know, I couldn't fuck around, right. 478 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 4: I thought I was going to be like that, and. 479 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 6: You know, I tried to be stricted for one second 480 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 6: and to see, like, like my kid, the way they 481 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 6: responded to it, I. 482 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 1: Was like, no, they don't take it serious. 483 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 4: This is no, they don't. 484 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,400 Speaker 6: The artists as well, like they are, well, my two 485 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 6: girls are, and then my son is math science. 486 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah. 487 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 6: And my oldest one, Sadie, she's she's twenty, she's at NYU. 488 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 4: She's like doing film. 489 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,680 Speaker 6: And then Tila is a senior in high school and 490 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:17,400 Speaker 6: really into singing. 491 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 4: She's actually yo. 492 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,439 Speaker 6: Which I got to talk to you about she is 493 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 6: writing the songs for Shallow Waters the musical, and I 494 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 6: like she came in, you know, I was like, she's 495 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 6: seventeen year old. I was like, okay, yeah, She's like 496 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:32,680 Speaker 6: I have a song and that I want to sing 497 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:32,959 Speaker 6: to you. 498 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 4: I had chills. 499 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 6: I was like, oh, let's do it, Lin Manuel, where 500 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 6: are you wanted to be a music yo? When she 501 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 6: sang the things, I was like, yo, ye, you don't 502 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 6: even know. I was like, okay, we're doing this, let 503 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 6: me let me find Lyn Manuel. So so she's into 504 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 6: like like the definitely into the arts. 505 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 4: And then my son Mayan is math sciences. 506 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 6: He told me he can't imagine a world where he's 507 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:05,439 Speaker 6: not figuring something out like math wise. So they're all 508 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 6: like parts of me right, Like yeah. 509 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 5: But you know, it's interesting because when you talk about 510 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 5: these books being filmed, if you've ever read Shallow Water, 511 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 5: if you read The Wind on Her Tongue, you're going 512 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 5: to feel like you're, you know, watching a motion picture. 513 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 5: Like that's how much this stuff pops out, you know, 514 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 5: on the page. So I know that's the next evolution 515 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 5: of these stories. Yeah, they're going to be on the 516 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 5: big screen or the small screen. They're going to be 517 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 5: on the screen. 518 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, Noah, going back Cooks to something you said 519 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 7: about Woodoo. What point in the world did that switch? 520 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 7: Because like even when you're talking about it, I'm like, ooh, 521 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 7: I'm saying his word so much as like a no no, 522 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 7: especially around like your older older pogeam. When did it 523 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 7: switch from like these people were healers roots to this 524 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 7: is bad, stay away from it. 525 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,439 Speaker 4: You're possessed and you can't watch scary movies? 526 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 1: Like when did that switch? 527 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 6: So that switched all during slavery when when the Africans 528 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 6: were enslaved, so they needed to keep us away from 529 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 6: our religions, they needed to keep us away from our spirituality, 530 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 6: from our language, and so in order to do that, 531 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,919 Speaker 6: it's they demonized it. And not only that, if you 532 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,640 Speaker 6: practiced it, a lot of people were killed or beaten, 533 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 6: and so all of these things were like like just 534 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 6: kind of like I guess beaten into us, right, And 535 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 6: then there was a point where the fact that it survived, right, 536 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 6: like what you resist persists, right, Like you can't beat 537 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 6: shit out of people. 538 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 4: It just doesn't work. 539 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,440 Speaker 6: Like the more you try to do that, the more 540 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 6: the person becomes stronger. In that and so it's like this, 541 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 6: these these spirituality, the religion, all of these things survived 542 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 6: these these times. 543 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 4: And a lot of times they. 544 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 6: Kind of hit it behind Catholicism because Catholicism works with saints, right, 545 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 6: and so each candle right, like it would be a 546 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 6: certain saint, but they'd be like, oh yeah, but this 547 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,880 Speaker 6: is actually Aya behind this saint. And so they were 548 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 6: able to work with their religion through Catholicism. 549 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 3: All right, Well, the new book, The Wind on Her 550 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 3: Tongue is out right now, pick it up. 551 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 5: It's available via Black Privilege. Simon and Schues to publishing man. 552 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,159 Speaker 5: And you know, Anita is, how do you feel for 553 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 5: your second book? You know, you wrote Shallow Waters. How 554 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,160 Speaker 5: does this feel? They have another book? 555 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 4: It feels so good? 556 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 6: Like, I feel so grateful to you, like the fact 557 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 6: that you saw me, you recognize me, you recognize the work, 558 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 6: you recognize the words that needed to be out there, 559 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 6: the stories that needed to be out there. I feel 560 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 6: so grateful that I'm able to get these stories out 561 00:28:54,720 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 6: into the public. And I would say that's how I feel, deep, 562 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 6: deep gratitude. 563 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 5: So if you're looking for some escapism rooted in some realism, 564 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 5: The Wind on Her Tongue by Nita Copax is available 565 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 5: right now everywhere you buy books, and the audiobook is 566 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 5: read by your sister. 567 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 6: It is audiobook is read by my sister, Michelle Copatch. 568 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 6: And also shout out to YACHTI for bringing us together. 569 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,479 Speaker 6: And she wanted to try to come to but she 570 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 6: wasn't able to. 571 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 2: So yes and tonight. 572 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:35,959 Speaker 5: We will be at green Light Bookstores, Yes, seven thirty pm. 573 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 4: It's on Fulton, Brooklyn. Yes, it's on Fulton. 574 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 5: Street, so we'll be there tonight at seven thirty pm 575 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 5: having a conversation about The Wind on Her Tongue. So 576 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 5: we'll see all there tonight, green Light Bookstore in Brooklyn, 577 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 5: seven thirty pm. 578 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 3: Pick up the book now, and we appreciate you for 579 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 3: joining us this morning. Nita Copax Breakfast Club, Good morning, 580 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 3: wake that ass up in the morning. 581 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:57,479 Speaker 2: Breakfast Club