WEBVTT - Fitness Expert Marco Panichi

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Marco, thank you so much for your time, because

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<v Speaker 1>these days you are one of the busiest people in

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<v Speaker 1>the house taking care obviously of the number one in

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<v Speaker 1>the world. Jan Nick Sinner, So thank you so much

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<v Speaker 1>for coming here to our podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>My Big Pleasures.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I have prepared a lot of questions, but

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<v Speaker 1>I have a feeling this is going to be going

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<v Speaker 1>so off road and off script. And it's funny for

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<v Speaker 1>me because it's the first time you actually see me working.

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<v Speaker 1>We never yes, I've seen all your work that you've

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<v Speaker 1>done all these years, but never never the other way around.

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<v Speaker 3>So exactly I was expecting actually with the racket, to

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<v Speaker 3>see you with the racket and jumping like you used

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<v Speaker 3>to do it before.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we're getting also, times are changing anyways, Just

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<v Speaker 1>just quickly on the tournament. What is one of the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest challenges from the physical side playing down under? We

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<v Speaker 1>always talk about the tough conditions, the beginning of the

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<v Speaker 1>year and so on. For you as a trainer, what

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<v Speaker 1>are the things you always look to make sure your

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<v Speaker 1>players are ready for.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, I would change a little bit of

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<v Speaker 3>the schedule and planning of the tour. Let's say we

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<v Speaker 3>arrive actually now here in Australia and my player, for example,

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<v Speaker 3>he played the Davis Cup finals, so which means we

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<v Speaker 3>had a really short short time considering also he needs

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<v Speaker 3>to he needed to rest a little bit of course,

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<v Speaker 3>and so before, for example, we had almost between six

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<v Speaker 3>eight weeks of precision do you remember this, So we

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<v Speaker 3>had time to you know, to work a lot, to

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<v Speaker 3>make a little you say, a large spectrum of everything

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<v Speaker 3>and this maybe can help you to recover well, to

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<v Speaker 3>make a say, an improvement I mean of some qualities

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<v Speaker 3>or whatever it is. And now basically we have three weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you do. No, that's why it's very important.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, as you as you know, as you know

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<v Speaker 3>that for sure, I mean the team is always traveling

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<v Speaker 3>now much much more than before. And the new professional

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<v Speaker 3>figures are part of the team which is now constantly

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<v Speaker 3>all the team. Every player has also for them provisio

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<v Speaker 3>or stay opath and all these people.

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<v Speaker 2>That because we need to.

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<v Speaker 3>Try to fix it really and to change some things

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<v Speaker 3>in really short time. So in order to do this,

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<v Speaker 3>and because the schedule is very busy all the year,

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<v Speaker 3>we need to try to find out two or three

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<v Speaker 3>let's say weeks during the year or more than one

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<v Speaker 3>or two weeks in order to come back and train

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<v Speaker 3>in again before the next two mench So it's very

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<v Speaker 3>important how to plan in the in the beginning of

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<v Speaker 3>the years. Then of course it depends if your player

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<v Speaker 3>are win need more or less, so this make huge difference.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's say, it's more important now to see and know

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<v Speaker 3>very very well your player more than the you know,

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<v Speaker 3>how to say, how to to make some work, specific

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<v Speaker 3>work that can be absolutely very quick in quick quick

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<v Speaker 3>way to get digested by your player in order to

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<v Speaker 3>perform maybe I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>Two days and three days.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, before we had a little bit more time

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<v Speaker 3>to schedule a normal work. Now it's more reactive everything,

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<v Speaker 3>so you have to be very you know, you have

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<v Speaker 3>to know very very well your player and how we

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<v Speaker 3>react on some input that you give to him.

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<v Speaker 1>So basically now the reason why the players are traveling.

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<v Speaker 1>But let's say with bigger teams is that you actually

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<v Speaker 1>do most of the work on the road.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely absolutely, this is the big changing that we had.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean me personally, I mean in thirty years, more

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<v Speaker 3>than thirty years. Yeah, So if I remember what I

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<v Speaker 3>was doing, you know, I was the programmation. Let's say

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<v Speaker 3>the planning Back then, I mean it was just, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we go to play and then come back and stay

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<v Speaker 3>one place, one base, even though if we keep traveling,

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<v Speaker 3>we had time to stay somewhere to practice a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit more. Now, I mean I would say that I'm

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<v Speaker 3>pretty lucky that my player are winning a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>more so, the time is very short and you need

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<v Speaker 3>all these people around you doctor most of the time.

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<v Speaker 3>Also because I mean, we need to always calibrate. For example,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, supplementation of the players, but then it's

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<v Speaker 3>got sciences is much more helping us, much much more.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, when we were together, we were working together.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean I don't know, I'm thinking about some No,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean we could now for example, we can absolutely check,

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<v Speaker 3>for example, the internal lot of the player.

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<v Speaker 2>We have so many tools that help us, so we know.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly exactly how the player is reacting, you know, in

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<v Speaker 3>what we are doing. So the external lot is easy

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<v Speaker 3>because it's the job that we are putting on him.

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<v Speaker 3>But the internal load, which depending for example, from emotional state,

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<v Speaker 3>depending from so many things, that's very important to understand

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<v Speaker 3>how much they are stressed, for example, so you can

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<v Speaker 3>calibrate the external lot based on the internal lot and

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<v Speaker 3>this may all be more easy to make less mistake

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<v Speaker 3>from us.

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<v Speaker 2>For example, So what.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you say, because one of the things I did

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<v Speaker 1>want to discuss quite a bit is how much the

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<v Speaker 1>training has changed since you first joined the thirty years

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<v Speaker 1>or more than thirty years ago to what you do now.

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<v Speaker 1>So would you say one of one of the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>differences is that now you have the tools to exactly

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<v Speaker 1>measure and get the feedback on.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything you do. Yeah, for example, author right variability?

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<v Speaker 1>For example, I didn't even get that.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, in order don't get too much into it, maybe

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<v Speaker 3>be bored, But then I.

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<v Speaker 1>Thought I was kind of up to dated with the fitness.

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<v Speaker 1>You know how much I love training and the nutritions.

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<v Speaker 3>But obviously not. Yeah, I mean, we have now some

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<v Speaker 3>tools that are able to exactly calculate the distance of

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<v Speaker 3>every bit of the heart so country and much we

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<v Speaker 3>think the bit are not the same in the same time.

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<v Speaker 3>For example, if you have sixty bit perminos doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't mean that every second you have a bit. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>it will be more than one second, sometimes it will

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<v Speaker 3>be less, and actually more than is this variability more

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<v Speaker 3>our system is saying.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>For example, so we have we have sympathetic system, but

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<v Speaker 3>a sympathetic system, I'm talking about nervous system that we

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<v Speaker 3>know that when they are working well together, we are

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<v Speaker 3>rest and we can activate it in a good way.

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<v Speaker 3>So we are repairing tissue. We are ready to fight. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>So this is for example, one of the parameters that

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<v Speaker 3>the art rivi ability can check. So so many things

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<v Speaker 3>that help us. You know, before there was in Italy

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<v Speaker 3>we say okaomet which means the meters of the highs,

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<v Speaker 3>which how much you can see how your player is

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<v Speaker 3>tired or not. Now we have also data that helps

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<v Speaker 3>us a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's something I always wanted to ask you and

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<v Speaker 1>I never did you kind of thanks to Thanks to you,

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<v Speaker 1>the tennis changes big time as far as where the

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<v Speaker 1>fitness goes, the training goes. Because of your expertise and

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<v Speaker 1>your knowledge, where do you go for your resource? Because

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<v Speaker 1>you're the one making players better, making them motivated, But

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<v Speaker 1>where do you get the motivation from? And where do.

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<v Speaker 3>You I mean I mean simple like when you were playing.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean it's the passion that you want to make

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<v Speaker 3>your less mistake, you want to perform your player better. Possible,

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<v Speaker 3>So you need to be always a little bit curious,

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<v Speaker 3>let's say, experimentally everything and see what can be useful

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<v Speaker 3>for your player, for players in general, for your playings

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<v Speaker 3>in particular. You know, So there are so many things

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<v Speaker 3>that help us. Actually, I take advantage of this took

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<v Speaker 3>that we have to get to apologize with you because

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<v Speaker 3>when we were working together, so basically, I didn't have

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<v Speaker 3>this possibility to work maybe a little bit more deeply

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<v Speaker 3>with you. How Daniella was was let's say, Boddy Wise

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<v Speaker 3>ready something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean again, all these signs help us a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>I was actually going to ask you with everything. You know, Now,

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<v Speaker 1>let's say it was what two thousand and six, two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and seven that we work together, what would you

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<v Speaker 1>have done different?

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<v Speaker 2>Also many things?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, sure, I mean that's again because you you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we I always say that we as me as a

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<v Speaker 3>fitness coach or tennis coach or whatever it is, and

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<v Speaker 3>we need to just throw the suit on top of

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<v Speaker 3>the player, you know. I mean that's very important. I

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<v Speaker 3>mean every player is different. I'm not talking about leverage

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<v Speaker 3>or I'm talking about also emotionally all these things, so

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<v Speaker 3>more we know the player more we can, yeah, suit

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<v Speaker 3>the perfect suit for for the player. You know that

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<v Speaker 3>that's the goal for for for let's say, all the sports.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically, So this is.

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<v Speaker 3>And the more informasure you can get through all these things. Again,

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<v Speaker 3>more you you are targeted, what you're doing. You are

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<v Speaker 3>not losing maybe time, you are. You're the possibility to

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<v Speaker 3>make your player, for example, to avoid all the injury possible.

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<v Speaker 3>Now for us sample, I mean, I'm thinking about.

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<v Speaker 2>This fascia. Maybe you heard about that.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's this tissue that is all inside our body,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, of course, yeah, that's it. So before when

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<v Speaker 3>I was studying, when I was working the first year,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, fascia was a kind of an envelope around

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<v Speaker 3>the muscle, around the tissue. We didn't know what actually was.

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<v Speaker 3>Now with new signs, for example, we saw that the

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<v Speaker 3>fashion is very is one of the probably the most

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<v Speaker 3>important thing that allowed the body to move smoothly, perfectly.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. So because it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Kind of a net that is all around our body,

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<v Speaker 3>all around our bones, muscle, tendons and everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Plus is full of this let's say little.

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<v Speaker 3>Transistor that can send absolutely every second information to our brain.

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<v Speaker 3>So and more you are able to use this fashion,

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<v Speaker 3>and now it's possible to train this fashion. We know

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<v Speaker 3>how to train the fashion, more the movement is clear,

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<v Speaker 3>more accuracy, you know, and more the bodies moving.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, so you're saying we actually can train instead of

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<v Speaker 1>the muscles the fashion.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, absolutely, yes, absolutely, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So pretty much we would have done everything differently. No, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's like this with everything. The more you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the more you try to come up with new exercises.

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<v Speaker 1>But there are always the bread and butter ones, right

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<v Speaker 1>for sure. So what is for you, like the golden

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<v Speaker 1>one that you have to make sure all your players

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<v Speaker 1>do I think I know the answer.

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<v Speaker 2>But is it the squad? Well?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes for someone, yes, for some other not for example

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<v Speaker 3>my last two players, for example, I didn't use the

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<v Speaker 3>squad that much really for example. Yeah, then you know,

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<v Speaker 3>depends women, men, depends what kind of player you are,

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<v Speaker 3>how much is your body type?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, there are so.

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<v Speaker 3>Many things to consider when you do something like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Tennis is a request are in certain you know, effort,

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<v Speaker 3>physiological effort require a lot of coordination in there and intramuscular.

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<v Speaker 3>So the goal that we that anyway, we need to

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<v Speaker 3>let's say, pers it is what can help players to

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<v Speaker 3>play tennis and no soccer or basketball. So that's that's

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<v Speaker 3>the main goal me personally. As soon I see which

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<v Speaker 3>kind of player I'm working with, I try to address

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<v Speaker 3>what is at limited. The last two players again that worked,

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<v Speaker 3>they were they are pretty similar as a body type.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm extremely flexible, extremely elastic, let's say, oriented, fascia

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<v Speaker 3>oriented I would, I would underline. And so what we

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<v Speaker 3>are doing is particularly to try to increase Okay, the strength,

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<v Speaker 3>that's perfect, but how you use the strength, how you

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<v Speaker 3>are able to connect all the segments of the body

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<v Speaker 3>with the good connection, with good timing, with good coordination,

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<v Speaker 3>in order to be very accuracy, and you can last

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<v Speaker 3>longer because you are spending very few energy because you

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<v Speaker 3>are moving perfectly.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's say.

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<v Speaker 3>So all the balance, all the exercise that actually also

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<v Speaker 3>we were doing, are all part of this big cake

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<v Speaker 3>to do in order to perform a court.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's just not forget to mention that the last two

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<v Speaker 1>players we are talking about, it's Novak and Yanik, So

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<v Speaker 1>just quickly on them, especially being to Novak for so

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<v Speaker 1>many years, and let's say, I think you agree, one

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<v Speaker 1>of the greatest athletes in the history of not only tennis,

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<v Speaker 1>but in sports in general. Is there something obviously you

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<v Speaker 1>had so much to give to him, Is there something

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<v Speaker 1>you actually learned from him?

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, but I learned from everybody. I mean, of course absolutely,

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<v Speaker 3>that's that's that's guaranteed. Particularly we no what coming is

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<v Speaker 3>his mentality towards the work coming this this big guy,

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<v Speaker 3>not only him, but I have the lault, do you know,

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<v Speaker 3>to have the possibility to leave a little bit of

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<v Speaker 3>this big four and now this new upcoming great player

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<v Speaker 3>like you. You now, whatever it is, and the common

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<v Speaker 3>let's say point of all of you, it's how whatever

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<v Speaker 3>you do can help you as a tennis player. You

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<v Speaker 3>know that that's was actually and you keep learning me

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<v Speaker 3>as a part of the stuff you keep learning from you.

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<v Speaker 2>How everything is related, I mean, how you are you

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>Also something very far from tennis. I mean, if it

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<v Speaker 3>was reading a book, whatever he was reading, he could

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<v Speaker 3>bring it on court. So you always find the connection

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<v Speaker 3>between whatever he is doing to the court, what can

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<v Speaker 3>improve him as a person, as an athlete, as a

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<v Speaker 3>whatever I mean father for example, I mean can be

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<v Speaker 3>related on court. So we always say that athlete is

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<v Speaker 3>connected with the persons of body mind is working in

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<v Speaker 3>one unit. It's always working together, So that that's your

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<v Speaker 3>common point.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you say stubbornness as well?

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, I mean obsession.

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<v Speaker 3>But I want to just be clear when I say

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<v Speaker 3>stubborn and obsession, I mean the functional stubborn and functional

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<v Speaker 3>obsession in what you do brings you in another level

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<v Speaker 3>for sure, So not the one that goes to the pathology,

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<v Speaker 3>of course, so the very important. But then somebody can

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<v Speaker 3>call passion, somebody can call it, you know, whatever it is,

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<v Speaker 3>but love what you do.

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<v Speaker 1>Where do you draw that line though, between being stubborn

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<v Speaker 1>in a way that it helps you as an athlete

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<v Speaker 1>and to a point where you actually let it go

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<v Speaker 1>and be open and receive the feedback from the team.

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<v Speaker 1>Was it Was it easy, let's say, with Novak, to

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<v Speaker 1>kind of receive your information and what you were trying.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I think the line, the borderline between functional, non functional,

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<v Speaker 3>stubborn or whatever it is, is the fact that you

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<v Speaker 3>anyway are open to listen. Okay, you want to arrive

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<v Speaker 3>to the point, but you are ready to give and

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<v Speaker 3>receive feedback. So to give a received feedback is kind

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<v Speaker 3>of an art because I mean, there are so many

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<v Speaker 3>ways you can communicate feedback or receive a feedback that

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<v Speaker 3>can change completely the meaning what you're saying. And that's

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<v Speaker 3>whatso is another I think plus that as as a

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<v Speaker 3>team we need to master a little bit. I mean

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<v Speaker 3>the communication, the effective communication, you know, have to be

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<v Speaker 3>sometimes you need to be straight. Sometimes you can arrive

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<v Speaker 3>and you to understand to send some message.

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<v Speaker 2>To the player that you don't feel.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you say, for example, that happened to me most

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<v Speaker 3>of the time, depending what player you're working with, of course,

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<v Speaker 3>but sometimes I don't say, look what you're doing is

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<v Speaker 3>not right. I could say, because this could be taken

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<v Speaker 3>by the player like no I'm trying to do it.

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<v Speaker 3>Why you say that it's not right? I can say,

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<v Speaker 3>look what you're doing or how you are behaving make

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<v Speaker 3>me feel that is something like that, so they cannot

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<v Speaker 3>questioning how I'm feeling, you know. So it's something just

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<v Speaker 3>not because I want to be right or wrong, but

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<v Speaker 3>I want to create the real communication and efficiency communication,

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<v Speaker 3>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think sometimes I think of a different cultural

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<v Speaker 1>background that maybe be underestimated sometimes to a player from

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<v Speaker 1>let's say Eastern Europe, maybe you can be much more

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<v Speaker 1>straightforward where to someone from another country. You have to

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<v Speaker 1>kind of find a way how to go about it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I believe it's always kind of a working process

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<v Speaker 1>to to always see where the where the limits are

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<v Speaker 1>and how to cross them and how how to accept.

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<v Speaker 3>Different age. When you grow, you know there is also

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<v Speaker 3>change in the communication. You know so many factors that

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<v Speaker 3>can but of course there are some little knowledge tools

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<v Speaker 3>you can call whatever you want, but you have to

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<v Speaker 3>haviitally if you want to, because I mean communication in

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<v Speaker 3>the hand, it's very important more than jump a heat

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<v Speaker 3>or something like that at a certain level. Of course,

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<v Speaker 3>would you.

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<v Speaker 1>Say you had to approach female athletes differently than guys.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I wouldn't say that. I wouldn't say that. It's

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<v Speaker 3>difference between men and women. That is different between persons,

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<v Speaker 3>whatever they are, men or women. You know the background,

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<v Speaker 3>like you said that, the character that they have, this

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<v Speaker 3>determinate out what kind of person you are.

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<v Speaker 2>So we have the dew. We need to understand what

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<v Speaker 2>we have in front of us.

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<v Speaker 3>Because if the main goal is to be able to

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<v Speaker 3>trust meth some things to be useful for the player,

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<v Speaker 3>we need to know also how to tell them because

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<v Speaker 3>you can be the best coach in the world and

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<v Speaker 3>the best player in the world, and you are not

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<v Speaker 3>fitting together.

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<v Speaker 2>For some reason.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>One question that I think so many of my group

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<v Speaker 1>will appreciate to know a little bit more, whether it's

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<v Speaker 1>Lindsay Won Andovich where I just finished playing doubles with,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you train a retired athlete? Because I think

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<v Speaker 1>that is not the easy thing to do, because obviously

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<v Speaker 1>we come to the gym already with some kind of experience, expectations,

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<v Speaker 1>and how do you find the balance between not pushing

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<v Speaker 1>us too much, obviously because everybodies have been through a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>but also not giving us like a forty five minute

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<v Speaker 1>yoga session and thinking that's going to be okay. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's one of the most tricky jobs to have.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I would say that.

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<v Speaker 3>Guys, listen regarding regarding what we were saying before we

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<v Speaker 3>were saying before, I mean, the fascia is one of

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<v Speaker 3>the most let's say, tricky part of our body because

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<v Speaker 3>if you don't keep moving on the on the right

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<v Speaker 3>way between this layer of fashion that is kind of

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<v Speaker 3>college and collage and let's say this this fluid that

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<v Speaker 3>if you are able to keep this fluid.

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<v Speaker 2>Very not sticky you know, but very very smooth.

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<v Speaker 3>The movement is smooth, which means you are not creating

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<v Speaker 3>some resistance in some part of your body, but all

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<v Speaker 3>the body is moving fluently.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's say.

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<v Speaker 3>So for our age, which is my age, right for

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<v Speaker 3>fortum plus, it's very important to keep moving in the

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<v Speaker 3>right way, be careful what you're doing. Of course, don't

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<v Speaker 3>do crazy stuff like jumping with you know, from the trampolina.

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<v Speaker 3>But I mean do a lot of exercise of mobility

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<v Speaker 3>and strength with just keeping in mind to using this

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<v Speaker 3>kind of you know, keeping moving the body all together.

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<v Speaker 3>So I mean isolation exercise for example. It could be

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<v Speaker 3>good for some time, but not the main goal for

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<v Speaker 3>people that so for summer, yeah, it's okay for the

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<v Speaker 3>for the churches to keep judge.

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<v Speaker 2>Tests a little bit more more, let's say into the limit.

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<v Speaker 3>But I would say three dimensional movement for example, that

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<v Speaker 3>that make the body work on this three different planes

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<v Speaker 3>that we have, which is frontal, you know, digital, you

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<v Speaker 3>know this plane.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's say make it easy.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean it's just moving all the body with some

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<v Speaker 3>resistance with bands with with weights of course, I mean

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<v Speaker 3>weights have to be proportional of your sure your state

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<v Speaker 3>of shape.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's say I was going to say, you were going

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<v Speaker 2>to question my age, but I know you're twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>And so basically mobility with a little bit of strength

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<v Speaker 1>but not to static, yes, but okay, and some explosivity involved,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's where news it's going downhill.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything is connected.

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<v Speaker 3>If you're if you're used to, if you are able

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<v Speaker 3>to use your body with the perfect connection on the

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<v Speaker 3>segment as a chain, your responsivity is gonna it's gonna

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<v Speaker 3>be yeah, the sposifity is going to be there.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. As far as as nutritions go.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's another big, big jump forward.

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<v Speaker 1>We did absolutely yeah, because as players, we are so

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<v Speaker 1>used to, you know, having to always have enough fuel

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<v Speaker 1>and all of this. But then I see more with

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<v Speaker 1>the guys, I would say that, you know, then it's

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<v Speaker 1>time to kind of accept that, Okay, we are not

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<v Speaker 1>burning as much, we are not five hours anymore training.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think that's right, listen.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean again, also, now science helps a lot, because

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, for example, now it's very common to do

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<v Speaker 3>genetic and epigenetic test that is going to be exactly

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<v Speaker 3>who you are, what you need and actually can be

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<v Speaker 3>also can detect also possibly I don't want to say

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<v Speaker 3>sickness or something like this much for example, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>possibly diabetic type two in twenty years for example, So

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<v Speaker 3>you can start to work right now for that which

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<v Speaker 3>is not that one O the pertent sure that you're

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<v Speaker 3>going to have this one.

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<v Speaker 2>But your DNA you know, or the.

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<v Speaker 3>Modification of NA through the genetic can be arrived in

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<v Speaker 3>that point there your body in the next twenty years.

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<v Speaker 3>So also there the nutrition the supplementation now is totally

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<v Speaker 3>it can be totally you say in.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you saying?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean you can you can check again all these

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<v Speaker 3>things according exactly on your topology your DNA, and this

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<v Speaker 3>of course is helping a lot. So the antih basically

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<v Speaker 3>you know when you when we're talking about the antihe,

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<v Speaker 3>we know that some product can trigger some part of

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<v Speaker 3>your body and can of course putting down more inflammation

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<v Speaker 3>for example that you have due to the stress the

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<v Speaker 3>life normal life, you the no movement or some other

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<v Speaker 3>you know, some other things. So this can bring completely

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<v Speaker 3>down the inflammation. That could be greater vantage for the

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<v Speaker 3>longevity for everything.

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<v Speaker 1>So to sum it up, basically, what I invest in

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<v Speaker 1>my body now, I'm going to be hopefully grateful in

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<v Speaker 1>four years.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, sure, absolutely, life or style, you know, but I

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<v Speaker 3>mean these things you know that that's the common sense

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<v Speaker 3>says something like this, but we can go target now.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's even no more much better.

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<v Speaker 1>Lastly, because we are going really down and specific and

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like we could sit here for hours discussing this.

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<v Speaker 1>As far as recovery, what has changed, let's say, from

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<v Speaker 1>I mean already eyes bud and creat therapy was like,

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<v Speaker 1>well we are killing it. I mean we are on

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<v Speaker 1>top of things.

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<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, yeah yeah, also there I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>Nutritions again, nutrition for sure, absolutely, but it can recovery

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<v Speaker 3>can be absolutely be addressed by nutrition. And you know,

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<v Speaker 3>there are so many things and now we can discuss

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<v Speaker 3>they are allowed or not allowed. For example, when you

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<v Speaker 3>talk about aberbertic chamber, I mean I'm not not here

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<v Speaker 3>making conversion to aberberdy chamber, but are all things that

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<v Speaker 3>can help ourselves to put it down. Information for example,

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<v Speaker 3>which is the the eldorado of the youtheness you know,

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<v Speaker 3>and the healthy well whatever it is, and.

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<v Speaker 2>That's there are so many things now that can help you.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean these.

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<v Speaker 1>Pants that yeah, I was going to ask you about

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<v Speaker 1>that that makes really no absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, absolutely yes, because I mean that.

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<v Speaker 1>But then there are also the old good classics like

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<v Speaker 1>still go on the big after right after the match

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<v Speaker 1>and stretching. I never forget when you were telling me

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<v Speaker 1>that when you first started to stretch.

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<v Speaker 2>Your players three years ago, that was already like ballets,

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<v Speaker 2>that big deal.

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<v Speaker 3>As I told you, they kicked me out from one

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<v Speaker 3>tournament in Romania back to the ninety eighteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Ninety, which was the first year you started. Oh to

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<v Speaker 2>think about that eight.

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<v Speaker 3>Ready for the time was satellite, no future satellite, So

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<v Speaker 3>you had to spend one month somewhere. If you luck

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<v Speaker 3>you play the master final Master, I give you two

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<v Speaker 3>or three points. But if you don't get to the

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<v Speaker 3>to the Master final Master, you basically you lose three weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>Does it help?

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<v Speaker 1>And I do believe big time as you know that

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<v Speaker 1>your background is in track and field, because let's not

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<v Speaker 1>forget that you were one of the talents of a

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<v Speaker 1>long time.

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<v Speaker 2>I was, I mean, I was really average. No, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I would say that.

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<v Speaker 1>Because you guys, track and field that's the ultimate athleticism.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't have tools that help you.

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<v Speaker 2>So I always feel like that's a huge, huge.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that track and field give me the mentality

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit to keep investigating, be curious what could

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<v Speaker 3>help you know as a as a in terms of

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<v Speaker 3>new work planning, you know new study that remember when

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<v Speaker 3>we start to do bliometric jumps until this was and

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<v Speaker 3>I was eighteen nineteen and so I try on my skin.

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<v Speaker 3>It looks like, wow, this methodology comes from Mars. You

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<v Speaker 3>know this drop jump. There was this famous Russian professor

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<v Speaker 3>that was at the time, was at the top of

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<v Speaker 3>the top. We got this book at the time, like

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<v Speaker 3>it was like, you know, coming from heaven. Really, so

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<v Speaker 3>it was funny. I think this track and field can

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<v Speaker 3>help you. So you stay with that kind of mentality,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, to always the goal is try to improve

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<v Speaker 3>what I need to do, what I had to apply

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, investigate a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>What is the new research that can help you.

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<v Speaker 1>Started on the tour with the players eighty four, what

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<v Speaker 1>has been the highlight of your career?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, now, I don't want to sounds too normal, but

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<v Speaker 3>I would say that all my players was unbelievable journey

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<v Speaker 3>with all of them, all of them.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think.

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<v Speaker 3>I never learned or I never had pleasure to work

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<v Speaker 3>with someone, but all of them compared with the other

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<v Speaker 3>side now of the microphone was a huge privilege for

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<v Speaker 3>me to keep learning to.

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<v Speaker 2>Share.

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<v Speaker 3>Basically, now I'm sixty almost sixty one, and I don't

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<v Speaker 3>have kids, but I consider all my players. Before they

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<v Speaker 3>were my brother's sister. Now they are my son and daughter.

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<v Speaker 3>Soon they're going to be a nephew and his. But

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<v Speaker 3>it was a really great journey keep doing keep I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I still loved what I'm doing, So that's probably the

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<v Speaker 3>best gift.

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<v Speaker 1>That's only answer was the most stubborn one.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me say something like that.

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<v Speaker 3>No no, no, no, no, no, no, absolutely, I mean

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<v Speaker 3>all of you there was, of course, I mean a person,

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<v Speaker 3>wonderful person anyway. But of course when you deal with

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<v Speaker 3>the pressure and everything, sometime can be tough.

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<v Speaker 2>I understand.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's the way again, the team has to be

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<v Speaker 3>kind of Mattras, you know, something that absorbed a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit the high pick and the lower peak. So to

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<v Speaker 3>to make sure that your play is in this operatic

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<v Speaker 3>calm of the zone. You can call a rosa, you

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<v Speaker 3>can call over you want that that's the area.

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<v Speaker 2>That they can perform.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Then, of course, so many factors that can the best

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<v Speaker 2>work ethic tough to say, but I would say not

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<v Speaker 2>because you're here. You Novak unique for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>As a dedication, let's say, as a dedication to the work, absolutely, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>but also the other I don't want to sound so,

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<v Speaker 3>but yeah, but you know this tree that I said

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<v Speaker 3>not because I mean I want to please you because

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<v Speaker 3>you're here. But I think that thanks to you, I

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<v Speaker 3>learned a lot about the headache work heading. I mean absolutely,

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<v Speaker 3>and yeah, sometimes with you we need to just, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>like the horse.

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<v Speaker 2>Just hold you a little bit more because it could

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<v Speaker 2>be go in that side of the moon. But no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's that's what's fantastic.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think I'm going to finish on this. I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like we could be talking for hours, but I

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<v Speaker 1>know how precious your time is. I did promise this

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<v Speaker 1>was going to be only twenty minutes, but it has

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<v Speaker 1>i'm sure been much more than that. But hopefully maybe

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<v Speaker 1>we can do it some other time down the road,

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<v Speaker 1>during any time season, and I'm sure we will have

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<v Speaker 1>so so many questions from the f and a bit

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<v Speaker 1>more about the training and longevity wellness. That's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>what the Real DNA podcast is going to be focused

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<v Speaker 1>this year on, and hopefully we can motivate people to

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<v Speaker 1>be better tennis players, better athletes and just have the

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<v Speaker 1>tools to have a better life. So thank you so

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<v Speaker 1>much for your time. Until next time, H