WEBVTT - The Burning Mountains of Io, Part 1

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey you welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind. My

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<v Speaker 2>name is Robert.

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<v Speaker 3>Lamb and I am Joe McCormick. And today on Stuff

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<v Speaker 3>to Blow Your Mind, we're going to begin a series

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<v Speaker 3>on Jupiter's moon Io. Now, years ago, we did a

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<v Speaker 3>whole series of episodes on the moons of Jupiter as

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<v Speaker 3>a whole, focusing mainly on the four Galilean moons. We'll

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<v Speaker 3>talk more about that in a bit. But recently I

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<v Speaker 3>decided I wanted to come back and do a deeper

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<v Speaker 3>revisit on Io. In particular, iobing Jupiter's innermost moon. And

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<v Speaker 3>this was in part because I learned some new interesting

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<v Speaker 3>things about it. But what really triggered this, this new

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<v Speaker 3>rabbit trail of research, was that one night, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>sometime in the past week, I got obsessed with new

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<v Speaker 3>imagery generated by the NASA Juno mission in late twenty

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<v Speaker 3>twenty three and twenty twenty four. And so, Rob, if

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<v Speaker 3>it's all right with you, I'd like to start off

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<v Speaker 3>with us looking at one of these images in particular,

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<v Speaker 3>and folks at home, we will describe it for you.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's do it so.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a very crisp color image of Io's northern

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<v Speaker 3>polar region taken by the Juno spacecraft on December thirtieth,

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty three, during Juno's fifty seventh close flyby of

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<v Speaker 3>the Moon. The image was released by NASA JPL based

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<v Speaker 3>on data taken by the Juno spacecraft, with some additional

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<v Speaker 3>image processing by somebody named Gerald Eichstadt. And I found

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<v Speaker 3>this picture so weird and thrilling to the imagination. For

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<v Speaker 3>those who can't look it up, if you can look

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<v Speaker 3>it up, i'd recommend checking it out again. Keywords are

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<v Speaker 3>probably Io northern Polar Region, December twenty twenty three. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>sure that I'll pull it up. But for those who

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<v Speaker 3>can't look it up, what we're seeing here is half

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<v Speaker 3>of the Moon as an illuminated hemisphere, fading into darkness

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<v Speaker 3>at the meridian. Now, there's a lot we could say

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<v Speaker 3>about the color of Io, and we'll come back to

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<v Speaker 3>that actually in a few minutes. But in this photo

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<v Speaker 3>we see wide empty planes of a faded rose color,

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<v Speaker 3>a kind of pale, rusty pink, dotted by gaping sunken

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<v Speaker 3>craters and mountains that rise up into space. With alarming sharpness.

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<v Speaker 3>In some cases, they're rising up like thorns, casting these

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<v Speaker 3>long shadows on their night side slopes, And the craters

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<v Speaker 3>are often darker than the plains around them, as if

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<v Speaker 3>containing silent, cold seas of water. That's what I saw

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<v Speaker 3>when I first looked at this. But of course we

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<v Speaker 3>know it's not going to be water in those craters.

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<v Speaker 3>What is in those craters? We'll get to that. Then

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<v Speaker 3>in some spots we see surface features that look almost

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<v Speaker 3>like a biological growth or infection, and a kind of

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<v Speaker 3>mass of yellow orange slime mold shaped just like pure chaos,

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<v Speaker 3>just reaching its fingers out across the moon looking for something.

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<v Speaker 3>And then surrounding these colonies of mold, and around the

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<v Speaker 3>sharp mountains there are pale gray flats that look like

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<v Speaker 3>borders marked in ash. I just love this photo. It

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<v Speaker 3>makes me want to personally explore space. It's bizarre, lovely,

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<v Speaker 3>frightening and seething with drama.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely, this image. It looks like perhaps the pinkish

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<v Speaker 2>disease scalp of a zombie.

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<v Speaker 3>It.

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<v Speaker 2>I also thought, well that this looks exactly like the

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<v Speaker 2>sort of world that would be your destination in a

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<v Speaker 2>Doom video game. Oh, you know, it just looks like

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<v Speaker 2>a hellish planet where you're probably going to have to

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<v Speaker 2>blast demonoids.

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<v Speaker 3>I very much see the zombie comparison, especially like a

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<v Speaker 3>close up on zombie skin, because when you zoom in,

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<v Speaker 3>especially on these mountains, I see something that looks like

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<v Speaker 3>the texture of those liquid latex makeup effects, where there's

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<v Speaker 3>like a scab or a scar on a zombie. That's gonna,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, if it's a full chew movie, it's gonna

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<v Speaker 3>peel off. And sorry to get gross, but that is

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<v Speaker 3>what it looks like.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks infected. It looks infected.

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<v Speaker 3>In more ways than one. But so anyway, this photo

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<v Speaker 3>and some others got my brain racing about IO. I

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<v Speaker 3>started reading some things about it, and I realized that

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<v Speaker 3>there's a lot of interesting stuff about this moon that

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<v Speaker 3>we did not get into in our larger series on

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<v Speaker 3>the Galilean Moons years ago. So I wanted to come

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<v Speaker 3>back and go deep on this moon. That's why we're

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<v Speaker 3>here today.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was looking back at our notes on the

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<v Speaker 2>Jovian Moons series and I found that, yeah, we didn't

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<v Speaker 2>even really get into the mythology of Io at all,

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<v Speaker 2>Like where this name comes from? And all of that

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<v Speaker 2>is quite fascinating as well, So that's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>fun to explore as we proceed here.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, knowing the mythology definitely does enliven and kind of

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<v Speaker 3>throw into shadows over the geology and all of the

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<v Speaker 3>physical facts. So I figure a good place to start

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<v Speaker 3>is to just do a brief kind of refresher course

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<v Speaker 3>on the Moon. So Io is the innermost of the

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<v Speaker 3>what are known as Jupiter's Galilean moons. These are the

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<v Speaker 3>four large moons that were discovered by the Italian astronomer

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<v Speaker 3>and scientific pioneer Galileo Galilei in January sixteen ten using

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<v Speaker 3>a refracting telescope with twenty times magnification power. These four

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<v Speaker 3>moons are from innermost to outermost. So you're starting at

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<v Speaker 3>the planet, going out, you get Io, then you get Europa,

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<v Speaker 3>then Ganymede, than Callisto. Now these are not Jupiter's only moons.

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<v Speaker 3>Jupiter actually has ninety five total moons according to the

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<v Speaker 3>International Astronomical Union, and that's not even everything orbiting the planet.

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<v Speaker 3>That's just the recognized moons. It's not including a bunch

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<v Speaker 3>of small orbiters reaching down to the scale of human furniture.

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<v Speaker 3>We've talked on the show before about how the observation

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<v Speaker 3>of the Galilean moons was not just an important thing

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<v Speaker 3>in the history of astronomy, not just like, oh, we

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<v Speaker 3>learned about some new things out in the sky in

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<v Speaker 3>the Solar System, but it was an important moment in

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<v Speaker 3>the history of science because it was one of many

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<v Speaker 3>pieces of evidence that Galileo marshaled against the geocentric model

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<v Speaker 3>of the cosmos. Because, to simplify the argument, if it

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<v Speaker 3>can be shown that objects orbit another planet like Jupiter,

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<v Speaker 3>why then should we assume that everything in the universe

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<v Speaker 3>orbits the Earth. Maybe instead, the Earth and the planets

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<v Speaker 3>all orbit the Sun, and moons orbit the planets, and

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<v Speaker 3>orbital pathways are a result of some deeper general principle

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<v Speaker 3>other than everything goes around the Earth. Now, technically, when

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<v Speaker 3>Galileo first spied the moons of Jupiter through his telescope,

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<v Speaker 3>at the very beginning, he thought that they were fixed stars.

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<v Speaker 2>He thought he was.

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<v Speaker 3>Looking at stars beyond Jupiter and marked their place. But

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<v Speaker 3>then he looked at Jupiter again later and the stars

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<v Speaker 3>were in a different arrangement, so he realized, like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>those are not stars, those are something else in the foreground.

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<v Speaker 3>They're going around the planet. And when he first saw them,

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<v Speaker 3>he thought he saw three, not four, because he was

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<v Speaker 3>not able to distinguish Io and Europa. Europa being the

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<v Speaker 3>second innermost of the large moons, he was not able

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<v Speaker 3>to distinguish them as separate points of light. It was

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<v Speaker 3>only in later observations he realized that there were four

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<v Speaker 3>of them. Now, in terms of mass and volume, Io

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<v Speaker 3>is the third largest of Jupiter's moons, after Ganymede and Callisto,

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<v Speaker 3>and it is just slightly larger in diameter than Earth's Moon.

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<v Speaker 3>As the nearest of the Galilean moons to Jupiter, its

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<v Speaker 3>average orbital distance from the planet is four hundred and

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<v Speaker 3>twenty two thousand kilometers or two hundred and sixty two

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<v Speaker 3>thousand miles. Now, the fact that you might know which

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<v Speaker 3>really sets Io apart and is probably going to be

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<v Speaker 3>one of our main focuses in this series, is that

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<v Speaker 3>Io is the most volcanically active object in our solar system,

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<v Speaker 3>with hundreds of active volcanoes at any given time. I

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<v Speaker 3>think there are more than one hundred and fifty active

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<v Speaker 3>volcanoes that have been directly observed, and scientists have estimated

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<v Speaker 3>based on what we have observed, that there are probably

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<v Speaker 3>like four hundred or so in total on the surface. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>just earlier today, I was actually reading the story of

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<v Speaker 3>how the existence of those volcanoes on Io was first confirmed.

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<v Speaker 3>And this actually brings us back to the question of

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<v Speaker 3>the color, the color of the surface of the Moon,

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<v Speaker 3>which I brought up earlier, and where I was reading

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<v Speaker 3>about this was in Carl Sagan's book Cosmos, first published

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<v Speaker 3>in nineteen eighty, sort of as a companion to the

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<v Speaker 3>documentary series he did. Sagan was writing about Io in

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<v Speaker 3>that saying that the following was his favorite of what

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<v Speaker 3>he called the traveler's tales that were returned by the

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<v Speaker 3>voyager probe.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you going to do the voice?

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<v Speaker 3>I appreciate you putting me on the spot, but no,

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<v Speaker 3>I can't do the voice.

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<v Speaker 1>No.

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<v Speaker 2>Anytime I read Sagan, though, I hear it in his voice.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh good, I know exactly what.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I hear it in the voice too. Yeah, but I can't. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>So here it is in my voice, his words, my voice,

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<v Speaker 3>Sagan writes, quote, before voyager we were aware of something

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<v Speaker 3>strange about Io. We could resolve few features on its surface,

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<v Speaker 3>but we knew it was red, extremely read redder than Mars,

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<v Speaker 3>perhaps the reddest object in the Solar System. Over a

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<v Speaker 3>period of years, something seemed to be changing on it

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<v Speaker 3>in infrared light and perhaps in its radar reflection properties.

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<v Speaker 3>We also know that partially surrounding Jupiter in the orbital

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<v Speaker 3>position of Io was a great doughnut shaped tube of

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<v Speaker 3>atoms sulfur and sodium and potassium material somehow lost from Io.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh wow, what a mystery. Okay, so you know, we've

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<v Speaker 3>never gotten close enough to see what's happening on the surface,

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<v Speaker 3>but for some reason, it looks super red, redder than

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<v Speaker 3>anything else we can see around, and it's leaving this

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<v Speaker 3>trail of atoms in space, like it's just spitting out

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<v Speaker 3>atoms into orbit around Jupiter. And then the mystery only

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<v Speaker 3>gets weirder once the voyager probe actually approaches the Moon

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<v Speaker 3>and sends back images in nineteen seventy nine. What they

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<v Speaker 3>see is very strange. First of all, the surface is

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<v Speaker 3>multi colored, as we brought up earlier. If you see

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<v Speaker 3>what they call true color photos of Io, they are

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<v Speaker 3>often overwhelmingly yellow, like a I don't know, a canary

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<v Speaker 3>or a ban and I kind of yellow except I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know, maybe a little paler and more sickly, some

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<v Speaker 3>kind of vomitous duckling yellow with these blotches of red, pink, gray,

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<v Speaker 3>and green. I feel like this has too normative of

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<v Speaker 3>a connotation, but it really does always kind of remind

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<v Speaker 3>me of sickness in some way, not trying to say

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<v Speaker 3>io is a bad place. So one of the happier

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<v Speaker 3>comparisons that astronomers sometimes make about the different coloration patterns

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<v Speaker 3>is they call it a pizza planet. They're like, it's

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<v Speaker 3>got like cheese and pepperonis and olives and all that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's a way to make it attractive, I guess.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it does look like some sort of a

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<v Speaker 2>strange like nergal world.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, yeah. Also, scientists looking at the images of

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<v Speaker 3>iosurface realized it was missing something impact craters due to

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<v Speaker 3>its position near the asteroid belt. Sagan writes that this

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<v Speaker 3>object really would have to have undergone repeated impacts from space,

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<v Speaker 3>should be hammered by asteroids, by things coming down on

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<v Speaker 3>it and leaving pocks in its surface that we would

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<v Speaker 3>be able to see, you know, just like look at

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<v Speaker 3>the Moon. It should maybe look something like that, but

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<v Speaker 3>instead its surface showed little to no sign of impacts,

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<v Speaker 3>as if something was rapidly erasing the evidence of collisions. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>whatever was doing that erasing could not be atmospheric in nature,

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<v Speaker 3>because Io has almost no atmosphere. It does have an atmosphere,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's incredibly thin, made primarily of sulfur dioxide. If

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<v Speaker 3>those surface features are being erased, they couldn't be erased

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<v Speaker 3>by erosion of running water because the conditions on the

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<v Speaker 3>surface of Io would not permit liquid water. So it

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<v Speaker 3>had been theorized by some astrophysicists. Segan names an astrophysicist

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<v Speaker 3>named Stanton Peel that Io might have erupting volcanoes due

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<v Speaker 3>to tidal heating of its interior. So this is a

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<v Speaker 3>frictional heating of the inside of the planet caused by

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<v Speaker 3>gravitational forces. We'll explain more about this as we go

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<v Speaker 3>on in the series. But that could lead to volcanic eruptions,

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<v Speaker 3>which could do the job of repaving the surface if

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<v Speaker 3>these volcanoes existed. But up until this point in nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>seventy nine, there was no way to know if any

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<v Speaker 3>of that was true. It was just an idea. That's

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<v Speaker 3>one thing that could be going on. Here then Sagan

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<v Speaker 3>tells of the discovery. He writes, quote Linda Moribto, a

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<v Speaker 3>member of the Voyager navigation team responsible for keeping Voyager

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<v Speaker 3>precisely on its trajectory, was routinely ordering a computer to

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<v Speaker 3>enhance an image of the edge of Io to bring

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<v Speaker 3>out the stars behind it. To her astonishment, she saw

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<v Speaker 3>a bright plume standing off in the darkness from the

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<v Speaker 3>satellite's surface, and soon determined that the plume was in

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<v Speaker 3>exactly the position of one of the suspected volcanoes. Voyager

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<v Speaker 3>had discovered, the first active volcano being on the Earth.

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<v Speaker 3>We now know of nine large volcanoes spewing out gas

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<v Speaker 3>and debris. Remember this was in nineteen eighty when this

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<v Speaker 3>book was written. Nine large volcanoes spewing out gas and debris,

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<v Speaker 3>and hundreds, perhaps thousands of extinct volcanoes on Io. The

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<v Speaker 3>debris rolling and flowing down the sides of the volcanic mountains,

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<v Speaker 3>arching in great jets over the polychrome landscape is more

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<v Speaker 3>than enough to cover the impact craters. We are looking

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<v Speaker 3>at a fresh planetary landscape, a surface newly hatched. How

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<v Speaker 3>Galileo and Huygens would have marveled now I love that

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<v Speaker 3>story for multiple reasons, one of which is the idea

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<v Speaker 3>that the plume from the volcano was spotted not by

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<v Speaker 3>somebody who was intentionally hunting four volcanoes, but in the

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<v Speaker 3>process of trying to better resolve navigation navigationally relevant data.

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<v Speaker 3>But I also love how it paints this picture of

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<v Speaker 3>Io as a place of a freshness of chain.

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<v Speaker 2>Rob.

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<v Speaker 3>I think we've talked about this on the show before

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<v Speaker 3>that often when we think of anything beyond Earth, things

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<v Speaker 3>in space, we tend to think of a kind of inert, changeless,

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<v Speaker 3>frozen or dead landscape, places where nothing all that interesting

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<v Speaker 3>ever really happens. Like what is interesting about the places

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<v Speaker 3>beyond Earth is kind of a I don't know, features

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<v Speaker 3>of permanent interest, just the way things are and have

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<v Speaker 3>always been and will always be. Obviously, we know that's

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<v Speaker 3>not true, and if you like fast forward the tape

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<v Speaker 3>of geologic time and cosmic time, things change a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>But just thinking about other planets and moons seems like

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<v Speaker 3>not a lot is happening there, and that is absolutely

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<v Speaker 3>not the case on the surface of Io. You know

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<v Speaker 3>he's talking Segan here is talking about Io as a

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<v Speaker 3>place where the surface changes on a timescale of months.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a dynamic world.

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<v Speaker 3>And so this leads to another thing he gets into

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<v Speaker 3>about the chemistry of Io and its volcanic activity, and

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<v Speaker 3>how this actually relates to the strange patterns of what

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<v Speaker 3>he called the polychrome surface, the different coloration patterns we

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<v Speaker 3>see on the surface. Sagan writes that this is actually

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<v Speaker 3>what we would expect to see from the release of

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<v Speaker 3>molten sulfur and the interactions of sulfur compounds from Io's

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<v Speaker 3>volcanoes and on the surface of the moon. So you

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<v Speaker 3>get like these black coloration at the hottest places where

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<v Speaker 3>the sulfur is just coming out, and maybe near the

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<v Speaker 3>top of the volcano or the mouth of the volcano,

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<v Speaker 3>and then nearby where there would be flows of what's

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<v Speaker 3>coming out of the volcanoes, you get something more like

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<v Speaker 3>red and orange. And then beyond that you get these

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<v Speaker 3>big empty planes that are just kind of like yellow,

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<v Speaker 3>yellowish sulfur. Now, on the subject of what is coming

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<v Speaker 3>out of the mouth of the volcanoes, or what might

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<v Speaker 3>be forming sort of lakes or rivers of flows beyond

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<v Speaker 3>beyond a volcano on Io, it's worth noting that materials

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<v Speaker 3>ejected from volcanoes tend to be very hot. That's true,

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<v Speaker 3>whether we're talking about Earth or Io. They can form

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<v Speaker 3>these searing lava flows. But a crazy fact that I

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<v Speaker 3>came across is that apparently lava flows on Io are

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<v Speaker 3>even hotter than lava flows on Earth. You know, I

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<v Speaker 3>might have just assumed that la lava is going to

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<v Speaker 3>be roughly the same temperature wherever it is. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>once it sort of reaches the surface, it's you know,

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<v Speaker 3>it's probably cooling off. I don't know, I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>why I would have thought that, but that's clearly wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>So I was reading about this in an August first,

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<v Speaker 3>two thousand and one press release from NASA JPL that

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<v Speaker 3>included an interview with a JPL volcanologist named doctor Rosalie Lopez,

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<v Speaker 3>and she says a number of really interesting things in

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<v Speaker 3>this little interview. One of them comes back to that

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<v Speaker 3>sort of designation that people have of Io as the

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<v Speaker 3>most volcanic body in the Solar System. She stresses that

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<v Speaker 3>this is not because Io has the most volcanoes, as in, like,

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<v Speaker 3>you count up all the volcanoes and it has the most.

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<v Speaker 3>Because I actually checked, this Earth has more volcanoes total.

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<v Speaker 3>Earth has more than Io does, but Earth is also larger.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, the reason that scientists call Io the most

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<v Speaker 3>volcanic body in the Solar System is that its volcanoes

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<v Speaker 3>put out the most total heat. So it's the most

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<v Speaker 3>volcanic because it's a question of total energy released. Io

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<v Speaker 3>is only about one third the size of Earth, but

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<v Speaker 3>it puts out like double the heat of Earth from

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<v Speaker 3>its volcanoes. And Lopez notes that one single volcano on Io,

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<v Speaker 3>known as Loki, is more powerful than every volcano on

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<v Speaker 3>Earth put together. Now, another interesting part in this exchange

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<v Speaker 3>is that the interviewer asks Lopez whether the volcanoes on

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<v Speaker 3>Io would be similar to volcanoes on Earth. How would

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<v Speaker 3>they be similar? How would they be different? And Lopez says, quote,

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<v Speaker 3>the types of eruptions we've observed on Io are similar

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<v Speaker 3>to types of eruptions on Earth. Lava flows, calderas, fire

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<v Speaker 3>fountains like in Hawaii. But there are some very different aspects.

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<v Speaker 3>One is that lava on Io is much hotter than

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<v Speaker 3>any lava that flows on Earth today. Billions of years ago,

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<v Speaker 3>Earth had lava that hot. Another difference is that the calderas,

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<v Speaker 3>the volcanic craters on Io are much larger, than on Earth.

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<v Speaker 3>Lava flows are much larger too, and then she cites

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<v Speaker 3>a volcano on Io named Amirani that has a lava

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<v Speaker 3>flow going three hundred kilometers long or about one hundred

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<v Speaker 3>and ninety miles. She of course notes that that's longer

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<v Speaker 3>than any known lava flow on Earth, but I looked

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<v Speaker 3>up something to try to find a comparison. Three hundred

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<v Speaker 3>kilometers is roughly the distance from New York to Providence,

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<v Speaker 3>Rhode Island, So just imagine an active lava flow that long.

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<v Speaker 3>And then finally, in this answer, she notes that io

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<v Speaker 3>eruptions on Io produce like one hundred times as much

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<v Speaker 3>molten lava per year as eruptions on Earth. And that's

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<v Speaker 3>counting up all of the erupting volcanoes on Earth, even

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<v Speaker 3>the ones under the sea. So that's all amazing. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>especially fascinated by the idea that Earth used to have

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<v Speaker 3>hotter lava, Like we're kind of in decline and our

0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:31.000
<v Speaker 3>planets just like we can't put out lava like we

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<v Speaker 3>used to. But if you take all that together, think

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<v Speaker 3>about like the massive number of erupting volcanoes on Io,

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<v Speaker 3>how much heat they put out, and just like what

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<v Speaker 3>a in some ways boiling world. This is that might

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<v Speaker 3>paint a picture of a hothouse, a sort of planetary

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<v Speaker 3>hell world like Venus, but actually that would not be

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<v Speaker 3>accurate if you're trying to imagine what it's like on

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<v Speaker 3>the surface of Io. Because the apage surface temperature of

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<v Speaker 3>Io is extremely cold. Io has a very thin atmosphere,

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<v Speaker 3>extremely thin sulfur dioxide atmosphere, too thin to trap heat effectively,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's you know, one reason Venus is so hot.

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<v Speaker 3>It's it's because it's got a very thick atmosphere that

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<v Speaker 3>traps heat within the atmosphere. Io does not have that.

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<v Speaker 3>So while it's got these super you know, extremely hot

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<v Speaker 3>hot spots where the volcanoes are erupting or the lava

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<v Speaker 3>flows are taking place. You might have a lake of

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<v Speaker 3>lava that's you know, going to be incredibly hot. Most

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<v Speaker 3>of the Moon is very cold, with an average surface

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<v Speaker 3>temperature of negative one hundred and thirty degrees celsius or

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<v Speaker 3>negative two two fahrenheit, So astronomers sometimes call it a

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<v Speaker 3>like a world of fire and ice. It's a place

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<v Speaker 3>where you have these these gigantic, massive erupting volcanoes and

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<v Speaker 3>giant long lava flows, you know, going New York to Providence,

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<v Speaker 3>Rhode Island. But at the same time you'll have these

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<v Speaker 3>almost whimsic frisky ice world conditions. For example, I mentioned

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<v Speaker 3>the fact that Io has this very thin atmosphere of

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<v Speaker 3>mostly sulfur dioxide. Some of that sulfur dioxide comes directly

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<v Speaker 3>from volcanic eruptions venting screaming hot sulfur from below, but

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<v Speaker 3>the other half comes from the gradual evaporation or technically

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<v Speaker 3>sublimation of vast fields of sulfurous ice already on the

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<v Speaker 3>planet's surface. So there's a pattern that goes like this.

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<v Speaker 3>The volcanoes erupt and they shoot sulfur dioxide into the atmosphere.

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<v Speaker 3>It floats around. Then, once every forty two hours or so,

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<v Speaker 3>Io passes briefly into Jupiter's shadow, so it becomes eclipsed

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<v Speaker 3>and all sunlight is blocked, and this causes the surface

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<v Speaker 3>temperature to drop even further. It causes the Moon to

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<v Speaker 3>temporarily go into a deep cold cold enough to actually

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<v Speaker 3>cause the lower SO two atmosphere level to freeze and

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<v Speaker 3>fall to the surface. Then, when I emerges from its

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<v Speaker 3>eclipse and comes back into the sunlight, the frozen planes

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<v Speaker 3>of sulfur snow start to warm up and sublimate into

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<v Speaker 3>gas once again, which becomes part of the tenuous atmosphere.

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<v Speaker 3>So there's a lot more we'll have to get into

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<v Speaker 3>about the Moon, but just starting with this portrait, this

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<v Speaker 3>sketch here, I really would make the case for Io

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<v Speaker 3>as one of the most interesting places in the Solar System,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, beyond Earth, of one of the most challenging

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<v Speaker 3>and strange and dramatic and fascinating places in all of space.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. Yeah, the closer you look at it than the

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<v Speaker 2>more amazing details there are.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, speaking of dramatic landscapes, I did want to mention

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<v Speaker 3>one more of the images that really got me interested

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<v Speaker 3>in doing the series of episodes. This one actually is

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<v Speaker 3>less a I think, less directly a photograph and more

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<v Speaker 3>kind of an image generated based on It was like

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<v Speaker 3>a three D image that's like an artist concept based

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<v Speaker 3>on data from Juno's Junokam instrument. So it's not just

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<v Speaker 3>made up like it is based on data they took

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<v Speaker 3>from the surface. But it's like a generated three D

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<v Speaker 3>image and it's of iOS steeple mountain that's worth looking

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<v Speaker 3>up at home, folks. It's this mountain that comes up

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<v Speaker 3>out of the surface like a blade. It's just like

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<v Speaker 3>so sharp, and then has the spires reaching up from

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<v Speaker 3>the top of it. And so if you look this up,

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<v Speaker 3>there are sort of animations you can find online where

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<v Speaker 3>the perspective goes around the mountain to sea from its

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<v Speaker 3>day side into its night side and shadow. And it's Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>it's very haunting, especially because it has a strong, lonely

0:24:44.560 --> 0:24:47.800
<v Speaker 3>mountain energy. It's not part of a mountain range. It's

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<v Speaker 3>just one giant blade of mountain raising up out of

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<v Speaker 3>an otherwise relatively flat plane.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, with these two spires, one has the appearance of

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<v Speaker 2>being broken. Reminds me of the the horns of Golgadaath,

0:25:02.840 --> 0:25:06.800
<v Speaker 2>two horns coming up out of the ruined earth. So yeah,

0:25:06.840 --> 0:25:08.400
<v Speaker 2>it's pretty evocative.

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<v Speaker 3>But Io is actually full of these strange and gorgeous

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<v Speaker 3>surface features, both the ones that rise and the ones

0:25:15.480 --> 0:25:15.960
<v Speaker 3>that sink.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. Another interesting feature is Boa Sali Monts. This

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<v Speaker 2>apparently stands as the tallest known peak on Io, standing

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<v Speaker 2>between seventeen point five kilometers that's ten point nine miles

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<v Speaker 2>and eighteen point two kilometers are eleven point three miles

0:25:34.040 --> 0:25:39.880
<v Speaker 2>in height. It is named for the cave where we'll

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<v Speaker 2>get into this. The Greek mythological figure Io is said

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<v Speaker 2>to have given birth to her son. We'll get into

0:25:45.520 --> 0:25:49.760
<v Speaker 2>all that in a bit. And Boa salle means cowpin

0:25:50.680 --> 0:25:54.520
<v Speaker 2>will also get into what that means how cows feature

0:25:54.520 --> 0:25:58.640
<v Speaker 2>into this mythology. But it is the third tallest known

0:25:58.680 --> 0:26:04.359
<v Speaker 2>mountain ridge in our soul system, behind only Olympus monds

0:26:04.400 --> 0:26:08.320
<v Speaker 2>on Mars, which is the tallest, and the equatorial ridge

0:26:08.760 --> 0:26:10.760
<v Speaker 2>on the Saturn nine moon Iapetus.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, the big spine in the middle of the Appetus.

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<v Speaker 3>That was good.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's see there are a number There are a number

0:26:18.240 --> 0:26:22.399
<v Speaker 2>of other mountains mountains. The mountains on Io have all

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<v Speaker 2>sorts of names, some related, some related to Dante's Inferno,

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<v Speaker 2>some related to other mythological traditions. But there are at

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<v Speaker 2>least four other ones that have names that are related

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<v Speaker 2>to the myth of Io that will get into in

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<v Speaker 2>a bit. There's Argos Planum, named for the land of

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<v Speaker 2>Io's father. There's Epaphus Mensa, named for Io's son, There's

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<v Speaker 2>Hermes Mensa. You'll find out how Hermes factors into everything,

0:26:51.000 --> 0:26:56.440
<v Speaker 2>and then there's Innachius Tholus, name for Io's father. Now,

0:26:56.560 --> 0:27:01.040
<v Speaker 2>you mentioned Loki earlier. This is an of course, the

0:27:01.160 --> 0:27:05.560
<v Speaker 2>namesake is the Norse god Loki, and rather than a mountain,

0:27:05.680 --> 0:27:08.720
<v Speaker 2>it is, of course a great volcanic depression with a

0:27:08.840 --> 0:27:12.240
<v Speaker 2>lake of magma in it. This is a Loki patera.

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<v Speaker 2>As described by the JPL website, this is one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and twenty four mile long or two hundred kilometer long

0:27:19.119 --> 0:27:23.280
<v Speaker 2>lake filled with magna, rimmed with hot lava, and dotted

0:27:23.359 --> 0:27:27.200
<v Speaker 2>with islands, but with one like huge island in the

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<v Speaker 2>middle of it. And they stress on the JPL website

0:27:31.760 --> 0:27:33.800
<v Speaker 2>that this large island in the lake does not have

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<v Speaker 2>a name, which I think only intensifies the feeling that

0:27:37.720 --> 0:27:39.680
<v Speaker 2>either a it does have some sort of name and

0:27:39.760 --> 0:27:43.200
<v Speaker 2>you just can't say it, or that there is some

0:27:43.280 --> 0:27:47.040
<v Speaker 2>sort of unholy castle there. You know, the island in

0:27:47.080 --> 0:27:49.240
<v Speaker 2>the lake of magma that cannot be named.

0:27:49.560 --> 0:27:52.000
<v Speaker 3>Do not ask after its name, for it has none.

0:27:52.400 --> 0:27:55.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but if they're looking for a name, I'm thinking, well, okay,

0:27:55.440 --> 0:27:58.600
<v Speaker 2>if the area is named for Loki and it's within Loki,

0:27:58.960 --> 0:28:01.320
<v Speaker 2>will name it after one of the monsters that Loki

0:28:01.440 --> 0:28:03.000
<v Speaker 2>gives birth to. I mean, you have, like I think,

0:28:03.080 --> 0:28:06.000
<v Speaker 2>four good ones to choose from there's Hell, there's yormagand

0:28:06.280 --> 0:28:09.280
<v Speaker 2>there's fin Rear, and there's slept Near. But hey, I'm

0:28:09.280 --> 0:28:12.800
<v Speaker 2>no astronomer. Those names may be taken already now. They

0:28:12.840 --> 0:28:18.679
<v Speaker 2>also add that there were reflective aspects to the Loki

0:28:18.800 --> 0:28:22.840
<v Speaker 2>Petera during the Juno flyover, suggesting that its surface was

0:28:22.920 --> 0:28:27.280
<v Speaker 2>as smooth as glass. Now, perhaps smooth as glass in

0:28:27.320 --> 0:28:31.240
<v Speaker 2>these passes, but also food for thought. There's a previous

0:28:31.480 --> 0:28:35.440
<v Speaker 2>twenty seventeen analysis that turned up infrared data that suggested

0:28:35.480 --> 0:28:38.760
<v Speaker 2>that the temperature of the lava lake steadily increased from

0:28:38.800 --> 0:28:43.480
<v Speaker 2>one end to the other, suggesting overturning waves. Overturning lava

0:28:43.720 --> 0:28:47.720
<v Speaker 2>is a popular explanation for fluctuations in the Moon's apparent brightness,

0:28:48.240 --> 0:28:51.280
<v Speaker 2>with brightenings occurring every four hundred to six hundred days.

0:28:51.560 --> 0:28:54.320
<v Speaker 2>Another explanation is that it's due to just regular volcanic

0:28:54.480 --> 0:28:57.560
<v Speaker 2>eruptions that spike the brightness of the Moon.

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<v Speaker 3>I wonder if that's related to different from what Sagan

0:29:01.320 --> 0:29:04.680
<v Speaker 3>brought up about the changes in like the radar reflectivity

0:29:04.760 --> 0:29:06.440
<v Speaker 3>of the of the moon over time.

0:29:06.920 --> 0:29:10.160
<v Speaker 2>I think it's related. That's my understanding, and I am

0:29:10.240 --> 0:29:14.200
<v Speaker 2>for you, Joe. Others can look this up as of publication.

0:29:14.320 --> 0:29:17.760
<v Speaker 2>It's certainly on the JPL website. You can see a

0:29:18.080 --> 0:29:21.120
<v Speaker 2>computer generated image of what this lake would look like,

0:29:22.480 --> 0:29:25.320
<v Speaker 2>and it's this is from like a short computer animated

0:29:25.400 --> 0:29:27.680
<v Speaker 2>video that kind of like zooms in on it, and

0:29:28.120 --> 0:29:31.480
<v Speaker 2>it's it's I like this image because it's it's maybe

0:29:31.520 --> 0:29:35.440
<v Speaker 2>not one hundred percent blockbuster CGI. It feels a little

0:29:36.000 --> 0:29:39.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, mind's eye to me. And also the magma

0:29:39.440 --> 0:29:43.280
<v Speaker 2>in the lake has the coloration of like deep crimson blood,

0:29:44.200 --> 0:29:48.480
<v Speaker 2>which of course only intensifies the the unholy qualities of

0:29:48.560 --> 0:29:50.360
<v Speaker 2>this place. This is just fitting.

0:29:50.520 --> 0:29:53.560
<v Speaker 3>Something seems very beyond the mind's eye about Io. It's

0:29:53.600 --> 0:29:55.600
<v Speaker 3>a place where if I went there, I would expect

0:29:55.640 --> 0:29:58.840
<v Speaker 3>to be seeing like you know, those nude early nineties

0:29:58.920 --> 0:30:02.040
<v Speaker 3>CGI figure is kind embracing and then melting into each

0:30:02.080 --> 0:30:03.479
<v Speaker 3>other and then turning into bats.

0:30:03.760 --> 0:30:07.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. All to a nice Jon Hammer soundtrack for sure,

0:30:07.760 --> 0:30:20.800
<v Speaker 2>too far? Take it easy, all right? Well, shall we

0:30:20.880 --> 0:30:23.400
<v Speaker 2>get into the mythology of Io a bit? Oh?

0:30:23.560 --> 0:30:24.160
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely?

0:30:24.760 --> 0:30:29.880
<v Speaker 2>Now, we mentioned already about the discovery of Jupiter's moon Io,

0:30:30.080 --> 0:30:34.600
<v Speaker 2>and we mentioned the discovery sixteen to ten by Italian

0:30:34.680 --> 0:30:38.520
<v Speaker 2>astronomer or Galileo. However, there is also a case to

0:30:38.600 --> 0:30:41.920
<v Speaker 2>be made, and it was made by him, specifically that

0:30:42.040 --> 0:30:48.360
<v Speaker 2>German astronomer Simon Marius discovered it independently or instead of depending.

0:30:48.720 --> 0:30:49.640
<v Speaker 2>He's making the argument.

0:30:49.960 --> 0:30:51.959
<v Speaker 3>I think I've read that it was said like they

0:30:52.040 --> 0:30:53.920
<v Speaker 3>probably discovered it around the same time.

0:30:54.240 --> 0:30:58.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, but Marius is often credited with naming the

0:30:58.240 --> 0:31:03.120
<v Speaker 2>moon after the Greek mythological your Io, who is fittingly

0:31:03.160 --> 0:31:08.640
<v Speaker 2>associated with Zeus aka Jupiter in Roman traditions. Now, if

0:31:08.680 --> 0:31:13.400
<v Speaker 2>you're not familiar with Simon Marius, do look. Do go

0:31:13.440 --> 0:31:15.880
<v Speaker 2>to the Wikipedia page about him, if nothing else, just

0:31:15.960 --> 0:31:19.800
<v Speaker 2>to see this wonderful illustration of the man. This is

0:31:19.840 --> 0:31:24.080
<v Speaker 2>an engraving of Marius in his own book Mundus Lovialis

0:31:24.400 --> 0:31:28.040
<v Speaker 2>the World of Jupiter from sixteen fourteen. He looks like

0:31:28.280 --> 0:31:31.360
<v Speaker 2>a dashing necromancer in this shot.

0:31:31.720 --> 0:31:37.400
<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, warlock, infernal packed warlock. Actually, though he looks

0:31:37.480 --> 0:31:39.760
<v Speaker 3>a bit this is gonna sound funny. He looks a

0:31:39.800 --> 0:31:43.960
<v Speaker 3>bit like Galileo. Yeah, he's got a similar kind of face,

0:31:44.080 --> 0:31:47.160
<v Speaker 3>a similar kind of eyes and scowl, and a similar beard.

0:31:48.160 --> 0:31:49.800
<v Speaker 3>He's like warlock Galileo.

0:31:50.520 --> 0:31:53.160
<v Speaker 2>Look at that collar though, such an amazing collar packed

0:31:53.200 --> 0:31:55.680
<v Speaker 2>of the lens. All right, So what is the myth

0:31:55.880 --> 0:31:58.800
<v Speaker 2>of Io. Well, the basic story, as it is usually told,

0:31:59.240 --> 0:32:03.240
<v Speaker 2>is as follows. Io was the mortal daughter of Anachus,

0:32:03.640 --> 0:32:09.040
<v Speaker 2>the river god of Argos, and the oceanid Melia, herself

0:32:09.160 --> 0:32:13.800
<v Speaker 2>the daughter of the Titans Oceanus and Tethys. The exact

0:32:13.880 --> 0:32:19.240
<v Speaker 2>number varies, but Io had many sisters, and Anachus also

0:32:19.600 --> 0:32:22.480
<v Speaker 2>is also referenced in mythology as the first king of Argos,

0:32:22.600 --> 0:32:27.520
<v Speaker 2>which is an ancient city in Greece. So the story

0:32:27.600 --> 0:32:30.400
<v Speaker 2>goes that Io served as the high priestess of Hera,

0:32:30.720 --> 0:32:33.800
<v Speaker 2>who is of course the wife of the high king

0:32:33.880 --> 0:32:36.640
<v Speaker 2>of the god Zeus. But the king of the gods

0:32:37.040 --> 0:32:39.720
<v Speaker 2>was of course ever lustful, to put it mildly, and

0:32:40.080 --> 0:32:45.080
<v Speaker 2>soon came to desire Io. Now the story the tellings

0:32:45.120 --> 0:32:47.080
<v Speaker 2>of this tale vary, but at the very least he

0:32:47.200 --> 0:32:50.760
<v Speaker 2>became enamored with her, and some accounts describe his feelings

0:32:50.840 --> 0:32:54.720
<v Speaker 2>for her as love. Avid in the Metamorphosis describes the

0:32:54.840 --> 0:32:58.560
<v Speaker 2>encounter in more threatening and ultimately violent terms. I'm going

0:32:58.600 --> 0:33:02.200
<v Speaker 2>to read from the Henry t Riley translation. Jupiter had

0:33:02.240 --> 0:33:05.240
<v Speaker 2>seen Io as she was returning from her father's stream,

0:33:05.600 --> 0:33:08.920
<v Speaker 2>and had said, O maid worthy of Jove and destined

0:33:08.920 --> 0:33:11.440
<v Speaker 2>to make I know not whom happy in thy marriage,

0:33:11.920 --> 0:33:14.560
<v Speaker 2>repair to the shades of this lofty grove. And he

0:33:14.680 --> 0:33:17.880
<v Speaker 2>pointed at the shade of the grove, while it is warm,

0:33:18.160 --> 0:33:20.600
<v Speaker 2>and while the sun is at his height, in the

0:33:20.720 --> 0:33:23.840
<v Speaker 2>midst of his course. But if thou art afraid to

0:33:24.000 --> 0:33:27.320
<v Speaker 2>enter the lonely abodes of the wild beasts alone, thou

0:33:27.400 --> 0:33:30.840
<v Speaker 2>shalt enter the recesses of the groves, safe under the

0:33:30.880 --> 0:33:33.680
<v Speaker 2>protection of a god, and that a god of no

0:33:33.880 --> 0:33:37.440
<v Speaker 2>common sort. But with me, who hold the scepter of

0:33:37.560 --> 0:33:41.680
<v Speaker 2>heaven in my powerful hand, me who hurl the wandering lightnings,

0:33:42.040 --> 0:33:44.760
<v Speaker 2>do not fly from me. For now she was flying,

0:33:45.200 --> 0:33:47.800
<v Speaker 2>and now she had left behind the pastures of Lerna

0:33:48.200 --> 0:33:51.680
<v Speaker 2>and the Lsayan plains planted with trees, when the God

0:33:51.840 --> 0:33:55.320
<v Speaker 2>covered the earth far and wide with darkness overspreading, and

0:33:55.480 --> 0:33:59.760
<v Speaker 2>arrested her flight and forced her modesty. So to be clear,

0:34:00.160 --> 0:34:04.280
<v Speaker 2>what Avid is describing here is supernatural pursuit and sexual assault.

0:34:04.920 --> 0:34:07.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, from what I've read, I think some versions of

0:34:07.560 --> 0:34:10.080
<v Speaker 3>the story describe it as a kind of seduction. Other

0:34:10.239 --> 0:34:14.040
<v Speaker 3>versions describe it as a rape. In this version, I mean,

0:34:14.160 --> 0:34:16.759
<v Speaker 3>either way, we're seeing something that we see a lot

0:34:16.840 --> 0:34:18.759
<v Speaker 3>of Zeus doing in Greek mythology.

0:34:19.280 --> 0:34:21.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, and again it does vary with the tellings.

0:34:21.520 --> 0:34:25.040
<v Speaker 2>I believe there's at least one version where he ultimately

0:34:25.080 --> 0:34:28.400
<v Speaker 2>impregnates her by just touching her with his hand. So,

0:34:28.840 --> 0:34:32.480
<v Speaker 2>as is generally the case, there's no real canon with mythology.

0:34:32.560 --> 0:34:34.759
<v Speaker 2>There are just the more popularized versions of the tale,

0:34:34.840 --> 0:34:38.520
<v Speaker 2>and sometimes those are very much connected to Avid's work

0:34:38.560 --> 0:34:44.239
<v Speaker 2>in the Metamorphosis. So after this has occurred, Zeus transforms

0:34:44.239 --> 0:34:47.440
<v Speaker 2>Io into a cow, a white heifer, in order to

0:34:47.600 --> 0:34:51.040
<v Speaker 2>hide her and his own transgressions from his wife Harah,

0:34:51.680 --> 0:34:54.279
<v Speaker 2>because of course, of course, Harah is too wise for

0:34:54.400 --> 0:34:56.479
<v Speaker 2>any of this, and she knows her husband too well,

0:34:57.200 --> 0:34:59.920
<v Speaker 2>so she almost immediately shows up and begins asking qu

0:35:00.040 --> 0:35:03.200
<v Speaker 2>questions about this beautiful white cow that Zeus is suddenly

0:35:03.280 --> 0:35:07.880
<v Speaker 2>hanging out with, and Ovid writes quote, Jupiter falsely asserts

0:35:08.120 --> 0:35:10.320
<v Speaker 2>that it was produced out of the earth and that

0:35:10.400 --> 0:35:14.280
<v Speaker 2>the owner may cease to be inquired after which, despite

0:35:14.320 --> 0:35:16.759
<v Speaker 2>the horror of the situation setting this up, this line

0:35:16.760 --> 0:35:19.319
<v Speaker 2>has a certain dry comedy to it, and I wonder

0:35:19.320 --> 0:35:21.360
<v Speaker 2>if that was at present in the original writing, or

0:35:21.360 --> 0:35:23.040
<v Speaker 2>if this is like an artifact of translation.

0:35:23.360 --> 0:35:26.120
<v Speaker 3>I read that same line that it was produced out

0:35:26.160 --> 0:35:28.600
<v Speaker 3>of the earth. Yeah, this cow just kind of grew

0:35:28.680 --> 0:35:33.120
<v Speaker 3>out of the ground. That happens sometimes, so he's trying

0:35:33.120 --> 0:35:33.640
<v Speaker 3>to get out of it.

0:35:33.719 --> 0:35:36.640
<v Speaker 2>But Hara, she knows what's up, and so she requests

0:35:36.680 --> 0:35:39.120
<v Speaker 2>this beautiful cow as a gift, and Zeus has no

0:35:39.280 --> 0:35:41.759
<v Speaker 2>choice but to comply, because if he says no, well

0:35:41.960 --> 0:35:45.320
<v Speaker 2>then he's admitting that this is no mere cow. And

0:35:46.040 --> 0:35:48.400
<v Speaker 2>if he just gives it up, well then you know,

0:35:48.840 --> 0:35:51.719
<v Speaker 2>they both know what's going on here. And so he

0:35:51.840 --> 0:35:54.480
<v Speaker 2>gives the cow up to Hara, and Harah entrusts the

0:35:54.520 --> 0:35:57.399
<v Speaker 2>white effort to the protection of the one hundred eyed

0:35:57.560 --> 0:36:03.359
<v Speaker 2>giant Argos panoptis, the all seeing and there are different

0:36:03.440 --> 0:36:07.120
<v Speaker 2>depictions of what Argus looks like. Sometimes he's depicted as

0:36:07.160 --> 0:36:10.880
<v Speaker 2>a giant with eyes all over his body. Other times

0:36:10.960 --> 0:36:13.880
<v Speaker 2>he's depicted as a humanoid or you know, with no

0:36:14.160 --> 0:36:16.600
<v Speaker 2>special features, or as a humanoid with a bunch of

0:36:16.719 --> 0:36:20.839
<v Speaker 2>eyes on or in his head, and in either event,

0:36:20.960 --> 0:36:23.680
<v Speaker 2>not to be confused with Argos. The place that we

0:36:23.800 --> 0:36:27.200
<v Speaker 2>mentioned earlier, this is Argus. So the basic idea is

0:36:28.280 --> 0:36:30.960
<v Speaker 2>Zeus cannot come and get his cow back at this

0:36:31.120 --> 0:36:34.279
<v Speaker 2>point because there is an all seeing giant that is

0:36:34.400 --> 0:36:37.200
<v Speaker 2>watching it at all the time. Sitting on the top

0:36:37.239 --> 0:36:39.919
<v Speaker 2>of a mountain, he can see in all directions at once.

0:36:40.480 --> 0:36:43.480
<v Speaker 2>Nothing is getting past him. And yes, Zeus is king

0:36:43.560 --> 0:36:46.319
<v Speaker 2>of the gods. But I think the idea is that, yes,

0:36:46.440 --> 0:36:49.719
<v Speaker 2>Zeus is all powerful, but if he actually shows up

0:36:49.880 --> 0:36:52.759
<v Speaker 2>to claim the white heffer, then the gig is up

0:36:52.800 --> 0:36:55.680
<v Speaker 2>and he is almost has to admit defeat.

0:36:56.120 --> 0:36:59.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Haro will find out exactly now.

0:37:00.000 --> 0:37:02.560
<v Speaker 2>Now, in the midst of all this, it is said

0:37:02.600 --> 0:37:07.600
<v Speaker 2>that Io is suffering the metamorphosis here is quite miserable

0:37:07.719 --> 0:37:10.239
<v Speaker 2>the way Ava describes it. She has to live as

0:37:10.280 --> 0:37:13.360
<v Speaker 2>an animal, not mistreated by the all seeing giant, but

0:37:13.400 --> 0:37:17.280
<v Speaker 2>also not well loved either, making matters all the more traumatic.

0:37:17.640 --> 0:37:21.080
<v Speaker 2>When she wanders close to the water, which is described

0:37:21.080 --> 0:37:24.680
<v Speaker 2>as the water off her father, her own father and

0:37:24.800 --> 0:37:28.080
<v Speaker 2>her various sisters do not recognize her, at least not

0:37:28.200 --> 0:37:31.920
<v Speaker 2>at first. They see only the white heifer, and eventually

0:37:32.120 --> 0:37:37.400
<v Speaker 2>her father recognizes her and its heartbreaking. And there are

0:37:37.600 --> 0:37:41.680
<v Speaker 2>numerous paintings that explore this scene with like an old

0:37:41.760 --> 0:37:46.799
<v Speaker 2>man having this heart breaking encounter with a white cow. Oh.

0:37:46.920 --> 0:37:49.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so I was trying to tell if that was

0:37:49.480 --> 0:37:52.759
<v Speaker 3>one of the things depicted in there's a painting of

0:37:53.320 --> 0:37:55.200
<v Speaker 3>the second half of this myth that I put in

0:37:55.280 --> 0:37:59.480
<v Speaker 3>our outline by Bartolomeo di Giovanni, who is an Italian

0:37:59.560 --> 0:38:03.760
<v Speaker 3>painter like the end of the fifteenth century. This painting

0:38:03.840 --> 0:38:05.880
<v Speaker 3>is called the Myth of Io, and it's showing a

0:38:05.920 --> 0:38:08.120
<v Speaker 3>bunch of different scenes from it, though we really do

0:38:08.320 --> 0:38:11.120
<v Speaker 3>not get much of a hundred eyed giant in this. Instead,

0:38:12.000 --> 0:38:13.720
<v Speaker 3>Argust just looks like he's like a shepherd.

0:38:14.080 --> 0:38:17.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Sometimes he's just a dude. Other times he's this

0:38:17.520 --> 0:38:20.320
<v Speaker 2>like weird psychedelic giant with eyes all over his body.

0:38:20.400 --> 0:38:21.320
<v Speaker 2>So it just varies.

0:38:21.719 --> 0:38:24.279
<v Speaker 3>But we do see the heifer at various places, at

0:38:24.320 --> 0:38:26.480
<v Speaker 3>one point near the water's edge, so I can't tell

0:38:26.520 --> 0:38:29.000
<v Speaker 3>if that's the part of the myth that's being depicted here.

0:38:29.600 --> 0:38:32.880
<v Speaker 2>This story of like transformation and loved ones not recognized

0:38:32.920 --> 0:38:35.920
<v Speaker 2>you recognizing you in your transformed state reminds me of

0:38:36.200 --> 0:38:39.399
<v Speaker 2>a children's book that came out in nineteen sixty nine

0:38:39.960 --> 0:38:42.400
<v Speaker 2>called Sylvester and the Magic Pebble. Are you familiar with

0:38:42.480 --> 0:38:43.040
<v Speaker 2>this one? Joe?

0:38:45.200 --> 0:38:48.239
<v Speaker 3>Sounds vaguely familiar, but we don't like read this one

0:38:48.320 --> 0:38:49.000
<v Speaker 3>in the house.

0:38:48.840 --> 0:38:50.640
<v Speaker 2>So okay, well, you might have picked up at some

0:38:50.719 --> 0:38:53.280
<v Speaker 2>point because it's heartbreaking as well. It has a magical

0:38:53.320 --> 0:38:58.120
<v Speaker 2>transformation and parents not recognizing their own child in a

0:38:58.200 --> 0:39:01.360
<v Speaker 2>transformed state. But it's a great book. Well, you know,

0:39:01.440 --> 0:39:05.359
<v Speaker 2>won a number of awards, won the Calvacott Metal back

0:39:05.360 --> 0:39:06.200
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen seventy.

0:39:06.520 --> 0:39:08.239
<v Speaker 3>I'll look it up. But okay, so we're in a

0:39:08.320 --> 0:39:11.719
<v Speaker 3>really sad place in the middle of this myth, right right, I.

0:39:12.000 --> 0:39:16.839
<v Speaker 2>Was in a terrible place Zeus. Sometimes it's described as

0:39:16.880 --> 0:39:19.719
<v Speaker 2>if he finds this heart breaking as well, but at

0:39:20.040 --> 0:39:24.000
<v Speaker 2>the very least he tires of being controlled. And what

0:39:24.080 --> 0:39:26.480
<v Speaker 2>does he do? Well, he can't show himself, apparently, so

0:39:26.600 --> 0:39:29.480
<v Speaker 2>he sends Hermes to simply.

0:39:29.360 --> 0:39:32.960
<v Speaker 3>Murder Argus Mercury the hit man here.

0:39:33.040 --> 0:39:37.480
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, the harbinger of the gods here, the messenger

0:39:37.520 --> 0:39:41.080
<v Speaker 2>of the gods this time shows up with his Caduceius

0:39:41.360 --> 0:39:43.600
<v Speaker 2>to put the giant to sleep and then slays him

0:39:43.640 --> 0:39:46.600
<v Speaker 2>with the sword and the eyes of Argus then go

0:39:46.760 --> 0:39:49.799
<v Speaker 2>to the tail of the peacock, a symbol of Hara. Oh.

0:39:49.960 --> 0:39:50.440
<v Speaker 3>Interesting.

0:39:50.960 --> 0:39:53.560
<v Speaker 2>Now at this point the white effer can wander free,

0:39:54.719 --> 0:39:59.480
<v Speaker 2>and Harrah sends a gadfly to torment her gadflies are

0:39:59.800 --> 0:40:04.000
<v Speaker 2>li stock biting flies, probably horseflies or bot flies, but

0:40:04.120 --> 0:40:07.760
<v Speaker 2>in Greek mythology they're sometimes employed by the gods elsewhere.

0:40:07.920 --> 0:40:10.720
<v Speaker 2>Zeus was once said to send one to sting Pegasus.

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<v Speaker 2>At one point. This was while Balerifan was riding Pegasus,

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<v Speaker 2>so caused him to fall out of the sky. But

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<v Speaker 2>don't worry. Athena then softened his fall. So anyway, Io,

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<v Speaker 2>in the form of the white cow, basically wanders driven

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<v Speaker 2>by flies sent by the gods, and eventually she is

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<v Speaker 2>driven to Egypt, where she resumes her human form and

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<v Speaker 2>gives birth to a son of Zeus in a cave.

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<v Speaker 2>We mentioned that earlier, and this is Epaphus, who becomes

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<v Speaker 2>king of Egypt, and it said founds the city of Memphis.

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<v Speaker 2>Avid also mentions that Io went on to marry none

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<v Speaker 2>other than APIs or Osiris, who after his death was

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<v Speaker 2>numbered among the deities of Egypt by the name Serapis. Oh.

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<v Speaker 3>Interesting, Yeah, for those not aware, we did serious episodes

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<v Speaker 3>on the Egyptian deity Osiris. When was this like last

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<v Speaker 3>year or the.

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<v Speaker 2>Year before, Yes, sometime in the last couple of years. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And we talked about Si Rapist as a Greco Egyptian

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<v Speaker 2>Syncretic deity based on both of Cyrus and APIs, as

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<v Speaker 2>well as aspects of various other Greek deities. Under Potomaic rule,

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<v Speaker 2>Avid writes Io terrified and madden with dreadful visions, runs

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<v Speaker 2>over many regions and stops in Egypt when Juno, at

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<v Speaker 2>length being pacified, restores her to her former shape and

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<v Speaker 2>permits her to be worshiped there under the name of Isis. Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that is a fascinating cross cultural backstory, though not

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<v Speaker 3>to imply that the same backstory would actually be understood

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<v Speaker 3>by the people who worshiped Isis in Egypt.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, right, though, of course, the worship of Isis like

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<v Speaker 2>spreads out of Egypt, and then you know how they're

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<v Speaker 2>worshiping Isis in other areas, such as in Greek and

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<v Speaker 2>Roman times. Yeah, maybe they employ some of this, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>at this point in our telling of the myth of Io,

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<v Speaker 2>we can appreciate that we're talking about something that is

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<v Speaker 2>probably a Greek and Roman take on the Egyptian throne

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<v Speaker 2>goddess Isis, mother of every Egyptian king. It's worth noting

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<v Speaker 2>that elsewhere in Greek tradition, Isis is also associated with Demeter.

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<v Speaker 2>In either case, the popularity of Isis in Egypt spreads

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<v Speaker 2>over into Greek mythology here. Yeah, Now it can be

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<v Speaker 2>a little confusing though, because I was looking at other

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<v Speaker 2>artistic depictions of Io, and there's one that from the

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<v Speaker 2>first century BCE. It's a fresco from the Temple of

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<v Speaker 2>Isis in POMPEII that depicts Io being received by Isis

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<v Speaker 2>upon her arrival in Egypt. And if you can see

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<v Speaker 2>an image of it here Joe in our notes in

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<v Speaker 2>this Io actually has the horns of a cow as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean that may not square in some ways

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<v Speaker 3>with what we just talked about it, but that seems

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<v Speaker 3>to me perfectly consistent with the sort of shuffling mix

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<v Speaker 3>and match quality of ancient mythology.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. In Egyptomania a History of Fascination, Obsession, and Fantasy

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<v Speaker 2>by Ronald H. Fritz. This is the book I've cited

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<v Speaker 2>on the show before. The author points to the myth

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<v Speaker 2>of Io is one of several examples of contact and

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<v Speaker 2>cultural exchange between Greece and Egypt during the era of

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<v Speaker 2>the New Kingdom. This was between the sixteenth century BC

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<v Speaker 2>in the eleventh century BCE. You know, they're fairly difficult

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<v Speaker 2>travel between the two regions at the time, but there

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<v Speaker 2>was still cultural exchange and other sorts of exchange as

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<v Speaker 2>well well.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's an emotionally powerful myth with interesting cross cultural relevance.

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<v Speaker 3>But this does bring me back to the question of like,

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<v Speaker 3>how does it fit into the planet Jupiter and its moons?

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<v Speaker 3>How do we get from there to hear well?

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<v Speaker 2>Most likely most of it does come down to just

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<v Speaker 2>the Jupiter Zeus association. Marius's choice in naming it Io

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<v Speaker 2>was apparently based on a sixteen thirteen suggestion by Johannes

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<v Speaker 2>Kepler that the Jovian moons all be named for the

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<v Speaker 2>lovers of Zeus, but it's also worth stressing that there

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<v Speaker 2>was apparently there's a connection to be made between mythic

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<v Speaker 2>Io and Earth's own moon, so she has seemingly has

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<v Speaker 2>lunar qualities all her own anyway. According to classicist Peter T.

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<v Speaker 2>Struck in his online Pin State Classics Dictionary, Io is

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<v Speaker 2>the wanderer and is generally explained as a moon goddess

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<v Speaker 2>wandering in the starry heavens. These heavens symbolized by Argus's

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred shining eyes and then her transformation into a

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<v Speaker 2>horned heifer represents nothing other than the crescent moon.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so yeah, the more you look at it, like,

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<v Speaker 2>the myth of Io is ultimately fairly complicated because you

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<v Speaker 2>have all these different, you know, cross culture exchanges bound

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<v Speaker 2>up in it. There's the lunar aspect of it, as

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<v Speaker 2>well as you know, some of these aspects of the

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<v Speaker 2>story that can be troubling and confounding, especially to modern

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<v Speaker 2>readers that are learning about it, you know, across the

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<v Speaker 2>thousands of years of history. All right, on that note,

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna go ahead and close up this episode of

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<v Speaker 2>Stuff to Blow Your Mind, but we're going to be

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<v Speaker 2>back in a part two on the Moon of Io.

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