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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Favorites, the podcast from the Volume Podcast Network.

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Speaker 1: I am Chad Millman, in chief Content officer of the

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Speaker 1: Action Network. I am joined as I am every single

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Speaker 1: podcast by my bff, my companion, my compadre, professional better

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Speaker 1: world traveler, broadcasting from the balcony of his luxury hotel

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Speaker 1: in Mexico for god knows how many weeks in a row. Now,

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Speaker 1: Simon Hunter, it's going to be back. I actually want

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Speaker 1: the Belize for a couple of days, so I'm finally

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Speaker 1: I tried to do a live show from the beach,

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Speaker 1: failed miserably. There was a mariachi band. Chad was kind

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Speaker 1: Now I'm back up on the balcony with even prettier view.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe you went to Belieze. What when did

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Speaker 1: another pro here who is local, just like crazy in

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Speaker 1: the sense that he gambles, like you know, like how

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Speaker 1: to as many people as we possibly can. You reached

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Speaker 1: out to me, I responded, we spoke. It was easy

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Speaker 1: to tell in ten minutes. You just had a great character.

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Speaker 1: There was warmth you. I liked your accent, like you

432
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Speaker 1: just sounded like a dude wh would be good to

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Speaker 1: get stories from. Right, So you started coming on the

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Speaker 1: podcast for like ten minutes, and then all of a

435
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Speaker 1: sudden you're the coast of the podcast, in the superstar

436
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Speaker 1: of the show, and now nobody even wants to ask

437
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Speaker 1: me a question about my story career, which is so

438
00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:04,359
Speaker 1: much more impressive than yours. But no one gives a

439
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Speaker 1: fun So whatever. Chad Milman is proud of himself. You know,

440
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Speaker 1: it is on the new toy. Eventually, Chad, they build

441
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Speaker 1: you up to tear you down. So that's what I'm

442
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Speaker 1: excited for that future and everyone just eventually hates me.

443
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Speaker 1: When you're great, they hate. Yeah, you mentioned go back

444
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Speaker 1: to the Eagles, right, You mentioned the value on the

445
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Speaker 1: Eagles during that playoff runt. I remember when the Eagles

446
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Speaker 1: opened as five point dogs against the Patriots or whatever,

447
00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,639
Speaker 1: it was six and a half. All the money was

448
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Speaker 1: coming in on the Eagles. Every bookmaker was saying, wise,

449
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Speaker 1: guys love the Eagles. Wise guys, love the Eagles. We

450
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Speaker 1: all made a killing on it because everybody was betting

451
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Speaker 1: Eagles moneyline. Everybody's betting the Eagles dogs. When you think

452
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Speaker 1: about the largest this is another question from fans, the

453
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Speaker 1: largest sports betting wager you've ever made? What's yours? I'll

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Speaker 1: tell people mine. Yeah, it was that that Patriots Eagles

455
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Speaker 1: super Bowl. I mean, but again it's kind of skewed

456
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Speaker 1: because technically it was this this past super Bowl. But

457
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Speaker 1: it's different because my bank rolls so much bigger now,

458
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Speaker 1: like Chad's finally giving me a fair amount of money

459
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Speaker 1: for this job, and like from clients, and just years

460
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Speaker 1: and years and years of betting, like I have so

461
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Speaker 1: much money where that Eagles run, I had money, But

462
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Speaker 1: literally what I did was I took half my money.

463
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Speaker 1: So say I was up you know at the time,

464
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Speaker 1: a lot of money for me to semi five k,

465
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Speaker 1: which was the time, a ton of money for me.

466
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Speaker 1: I pretty much took half of it and I put

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Speaker 1: it on the Eagles, I think against Atlanta we were

468
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Speaker 1: you were three or three and a half. So I

469
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Speaker 1: put like sevent of it on that. And then on

470
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Speaker 1: money line it is literally took the exact same money

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Speaker 1: went to like three other casinos, Like left that casino

472
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Speaker 1: with the three of the casinos put it up, but

473
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Speaker 1: it did the exact same thing like on the Eagles

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Speaker 1: another So again I'm not taking any money back. I

475
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Speaker 1: just rolled it over. At this point, it hits obviously

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Speaker 1: against the Vikings at home another home Dog, and like

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Speaker 1: you just said, it when't at some books they opened

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Speaker 1: six and a half six. I bet as much as

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Speaker 1: I could, and then they brought it back down. I

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Speaker 1: believe four and a half. I bet as much as

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Speaker 1: I could. Again, so this is I did not bet

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Speaker 1: the money line for the Super Bowl. I only did

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Speaker 1: bet spread. Again. I went all in, like I knew

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Speaker 1: if I won this bet, I could move back to

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Speaker 1: New Jersey. That was my whole kind of mentality with it.

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Speaker 1: So that was the first time really too where like

487
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Speaker 1: clients had actually reached out to me, and people were

488
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Speaker 1: just fired up because it was like, you know, not

489
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Speaker 1: that I was some young punk kid, but like not

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Speaker 1: that they didn't trust me or like me. They were

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Speaker 1: just like, um, you know, looking at me, slaying it

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Speaker 1: out a little bit. They're like they kind of thought

493
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Speaker 1: Bob was just like too much of seeing himself and

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Speaker 1: me and giving me a job I did deserve at

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Speaker 1: the time, which I agree with them. I did not

496
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Speaker 1: deserve a job that was good at the time. But luckily,

497
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Speaker 1: again it's a result business, and I kept getting in

498
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Speaker 1: the right results and I drove a chat. I literally

499
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Speaker 1: have not, like I'm so do. I hate saying it

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Speaker 1: every time, but I have not lost Super Bowl since

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Speaker 1: I've become a professional. I've hit every Super Bowl spread

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Speaker 1: since I've been a professional. So it's like I obviously

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Speaker 1: I'm lucky, but it's like time, skill, work, ethics. So

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Speaker 1: for the Eagles one that run, it was amazing because

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Speaker 1: I was my favorite team, but it was also one

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Speaker 1: of those that Vegas they just kept hanging in shitty

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Speaker 1: lines like that Patriots. I made that Patriots minus three.

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Speaker 1: I thought the Patriots, we're gonna win, So I just

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Speaker 1: kept taking the spread number. You know, little did I

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Speaker 1: know the Eagles We're gonna win by eight points. So

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Speaker 1: but I would love to hear Chad the biggest bet. Well,

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Speaker 1: you didn't give me a number. You said it was

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Speaker 1: your biggest bet, but you didn't give me a number.

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Speaker 1: Give me a range high five figures, low, six figures. No, no,

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Speaker 1: I don't know when the dust settled like that. Yeah, dude,

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Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. I kept rolling it over because

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Speaker 1: again I was in my late twenties at the time.

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Speaker 1: It was. It was a wild feeling, especially just knowing

519
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Speaker 1: I could come back to New Jersey and that was

520
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Speaker 1: that was probably the best feeling. Mine was not definitely

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Speaker 1: like very low four figures, a couple grand and it

522
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Speaker 1: wasn't even that strategic. It was totally by accident in

523
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Speaker 1: that it was also one of the first. It was

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Speaker 1: the first March that Action Network existed. We were in Vegas,

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Speaker 1: we were at the West Gate. They were just figuring

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Speaker 1: out how to do like in game or like betting

527
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 1: through their app, and so you had to like go

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Speaker 1: deposit cash at the cage and then once you had

529
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Speaker 1: done that, you could log into the app and it

530
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Speaker 1: was deposited into your account and you could bet in

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Speaker 1: the app. So I deposited money in the cage, and

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Speaker 1: then I wanted to bet on Loyola against Miami and

533
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Speaker 1: in the first round, and I put a few hundred

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Speaker 1: down and on Loyola. The bet didn't register. It just

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Speaker 1: kept spinning. So I logged out, did it again, it

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Speaker 1: kept spinning, logged out, did it again, It kept spinning.

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Speaker 1: So all of a sudden I had a substantial amount,

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Speaker 1: like you know, two or three grand on it. And

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00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 1: then there was a loudspeaker announcement if you're trying to

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Speaker 1: bet in the app and it spins but doesn't register,

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Speaker 1: don't worry, your bet has been ticketed. I'm like, well, funck,

542
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Speaker 1: now I'm invested three time three x what I want

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Speaker 1: it to be on that game. And the line was

544
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Speaker 1: too long at the cage to go avoid it, and

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Speaker 1: so I just let it ride. And if everybody remembers,

546
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Speaker 1: Miami and Loyal end up winning that game because Miami

547
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: like had a flukish play at the end and an

548
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: out of bounce play. So I ended up winning the

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Speaker 1: bat And like the rest of the weekend was gravy.

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Speaker 1: It was like I'm that umbc against Virginia sixteen and

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Speaker 1: a one, and uh it was. It was a beautiful,

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Speaker 1: beautiful weekend. Couldn't have had more fun again, not four

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Speaker 1: grand I will tell you my worst loss came this year, Simon,

554
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Speaker 1: this year, and it was a game you and I

555
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: believed in so hard. San Diego Kansas City, uh No,

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Speaker 1: Thursday Night, right. I remember being a stand alone just

557
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Speaker 1: because it made it that much worse. It was a

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Speaker 1: stand alone and we loved I'm not San Diego. We

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Speaker 1: loved l A Chargers, and we went all in on

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Speaker 1: him again on the spread. I loved him so much

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Speaker 1: that when they were down early at like two and

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Speaker 1: a half, when they were losing, when they were losing,

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say because I remember the line got

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Speaker 1: up to like seven at one point when they were

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Speaker 1: down to the Chiefs but yeah, that's because I started

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Speaker 1: getting nervous because as the game went on, it became

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00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 1: less and less apparent. Right they were making all these

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00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 1: calls where Brandon Staley was like, it didn't matter what

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Speaker 1: it was, he was going forward on fourth down and

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00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 1: it didn't matter how close to the goal line they

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Speaker 1: were going for it. And of course they ended up

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Speaker 1: losing that game and not covering, and it was heartbreaking.

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Speaker 1: And you know, yeah, I mean the worst part of

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Speaker 1: the Npro is Chad story right there. I can tell

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00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: you every bad boss I've ever had, I can't. I

576
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 1: can maybe only tell you about ten great wins. I

577
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: think that's like a human survivor instinct where it's like

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00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 1: you just you remember the bad ones, not really good ones.

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Speaker 1: But that was probably one of my worst beat last

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Speaker 1: year just because yeah, if you just kicked one of

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00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 1: those skill goals, there was never gonna be overtime. Like

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Speaker 1: they were up I believe ten, with like four minutes

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Speaker 1: to go, and that was that was the meltdown of miltdowns.

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Speaker 1: But again because of that game though, it got me

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Speaker 1: off the Chargers, which saved me a lot of money

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Speaker 1: going forward, because like, from that point on, I was

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Speaker 1: out on that team. Well, was that your biggest loss

588
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Speaker 1: of the year. I know that losses ever because the

589
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: Colts was like a big six figure loss. Remember the

590
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: tightening game that was by Faun That took me like

591
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Speaker 1: three winning weeks to get that money back. Like that

592
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: was that wasn't really hurt because I was all in

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Speaker 1: on it. I mean I think I had Colts win.

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00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: It opened like two and a half too, and then

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00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: by kick off just from the fans of the show

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00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: and like other pros like betting with us. I mean,

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00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: it might have been like minus two Colts, Like we

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00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: moved at four and a half, five point something crazy

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00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: like that, and they were one up. I believe they're

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Speaker 1: up fourteen, about to drive to go up twenty one

601
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: nothing And I don't know if it was a pick

602
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: or a fumble, but whatever happened, I just put the

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00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: entire game. That was brutal, but at the same time,

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Speaker 1: it was like when really really awful things like that happened.

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Speaker 1: As a better I know it always is going to

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00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: balance back out. Yeah, I was raged betting um the

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00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: next two weeks, but it worked out luckily. Like I was,

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00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: I had pretty much started riding the forty nine who

609
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: were on a crazy run than this season, so I

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00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: would say they're one of the teams that definitely stayed

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00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: my ass last season getting money back. All Right, that

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Speaker 1: is it for part one. We've covered so much ground

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Speaker 1: and there is so much more to come. We will

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Speaker 1: be back with Part two, answering more questions, going deeper

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Speaker 1: into the life, habits, and all that other good stuff

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Speaker 1: of professional betters. This has been the Favorites podcast from

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Speaker 1: the Volume Podcast Network for producer Matt Mitchell, for professional

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Speaker 1: better Simon Hunter. I am Chad Billman. Download us at Spotify,

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Speaker 1: Apple podcast, wherever you get your podcast. Until next time,

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Speaker 1: I Love you,