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Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is the producers

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Speaker 1: broadcasting live from the Star in Frisco and featuring all

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Speaker 1: the fellows who produce your favorite Dallas Cowboys podcasts and

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Speaker 1: now your hosts can't Garrison, Will Douglas Bland, Shannon Groves nice. Well,

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Speaker 1: this is something new, and I'm not real sure if

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Speaker 1: anyone can hear me because I can't hear myself. So hopefully, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we hear you, Shannon, can you do? I don't know

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Speaker 1: what's going on. Maybe it's this head cold that I'm

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Speaker 1: fighting through since I'm double fisting ice teas and probably

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Speaker 1: gonna make really good use of the uh what is?

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Speaker 1: I honestly can't hear myself. I don't know what's happened.

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Speaker 1: You are fine? Just okay? Did you hear the open?

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Speaker 1: I heard beam screaming in my ear. Hello. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: there we go. I don't know what button be? There

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Speaker 1: we go? All right, So I'm double fisting teas and

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Speaker 1: probably the lightsaw can after we get off the air.

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Speaker 1: But this is something new. We're gonna try it, see

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Speaker 1: what happens. We are live, I guess here at the

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Speaker 1: Star in Frisco with all the people that you usually

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Speaker 1: hear behind the scenes behind that wall. So we thought

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Speaker 1: it'd be really cool to bring them on this side

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Speaker 1: of the wall and talk a little bit about you

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Speaker 1: guys and what you do, and then talk a little

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Speaker 1: bit about some football stuff. Some big football news just

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Speaker 1: came down Kellen Moore, the new OC of the Dallas Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: Rumor has been out there for a while. We'll get

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Speaker 1: into that in a little bit, but it's now official.

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Speaker 1: And then uh, we'll go around the room and make

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Speaker 1: intros here in a second. But keeping us on the

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Speaker 1: air today as Chris Beam behind the wall producing. How's

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Speaker 1: it going, Chris, give me us talk drop give us

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Speaker 1: all right? All right, Chris kay. So let's go around

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Speaker 1: the room first. William Boykins to my laugh, what's up? William?

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Speaker 1: Tell everybody what you do? What's up? Guys? Um? Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm the digital media producer and the webmaster for all

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Speaker 1: the Cowboy properties, so pretty much like the team site,

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Speaker 1: cheerleader site, the stadium, Star Frisco, and a whole bunch

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Speaker 1: of other things right now. But that's pretty much. The

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Speaker 1: of you know, making sure the stories of their videos, there,

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Speaker 1: photo galleries, you know. Game Day we do the whole

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Speaker 1: game Day central pages. You know. How long have you

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Speaker 1: been with the Cowboys? This is my just finished my

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Speaker 1: second season and excited for the third. So very cool.

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Speaker 1: To his left Douglas Barraclough. Hell, hello, Douglas, how are

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Speaker 1: you pretty good? How about you? I'm great man. How

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Speaker 1: long have you been with the company and what exactly

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Speaker 1: do you do? I've been with the company twelve years.

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Speaker 1: I've been with the radio network twenty seven years, and

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Speaker 1: I'm in charge of creative and commercial sound production. So

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Speaker 1: I produced the opens, the bumpers you hear on these podcasts.

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Speaker 1: I produce radio spots for the play by play broadcast

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Speaker 1: on the radio network with Brad and Babe. I sound

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Speaker 1: the stadium. UM did a little do some sound design

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Speaker 1: mastering for Kent now and then when he produces his

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Speaker 1: badass videos. So stuff like that. Very cool. And to

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Speaker 1: your left and to my right is Kent Garrison. How

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Speaker 1: are you, Kent? I'm wonderful Shannon, how are you. Oh,

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Speaker 1: there goes his radio voice. All right, like, eat that microphone.

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Speaker 1: I just had some chips before coming on air. It's

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Speaker 1: a great thing to do when you're about to speak

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Speaker 1: into a microphone. I'm sure. How long have you been

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Speaker 1: day to day? Yeah, I've been just finished my sixth season.

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Speaker 1: first day. But I've done almost every podcast since then,

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Speaker 1: producing running the board, doing all the graphics, getting these

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Speaker 1: Forty five years? I'm in the my I just finished

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Speaker 1: my twentieth season. Wow, nineteen ninety nine was my first season.

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Speaker 1: So you're only twenty seven. Started working here when you

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Speaker 1: That's what it is. I'm like, I'm like, shann show

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Speaker 1: to me? But I'm not really, Um, let's see. Nah,

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Speaker 1: I can't figure it out, beautiful face. What's your day

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Speaker 1: to day? Day to day? Okay? I produce a Cowboys

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Speaker 1: Special Edition which has been Jerry Jones show for many

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Speaker 1: It has won in Yes, we won that three years

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Speaker 1: Have you ever been to Jerry's house? I was at

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine. It was me and John Chang, the

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Speaker 1: this season, good, bad, ugly, indifferent. How do you I

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Speaker 1: You know everyone's talking about you know, you can't necessarily

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Speaker 1: get every day. One of the things you mentioned about

428
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:55,800
Speaker 1: the new core of this team is that the young

429
00:21:55,960 --> 00:22:01,719
Speaker 1: players seem to be very sturdy. Uh, they don't have

430
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:06,160
Speaker 1: health issues. I mean, Romo got injured a lot. Dez

431
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,360
Speaker 1: got injured a lot. DeMarco Murray when he was our

432
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 1: bell cow, he got injured a lot. The key guys

433
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 1: on this team. Uh, you know, Dak seems indestructible zeke. Yeah,

434
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,160
Speaker 1: and I'm knocking, Yeah, knock on every piece of wood,

435
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 1: Actually knock on the outside part. You know. Sean Lee

436
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 1: has been injury from well, so many guys you've depended

437
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,720
Speaker 1: on the last five or six years haven't been there

438
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,880
Speaker 1: at key moments. And that's one thing that you got

439
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 1: to be optimistic about. Is this core young group seems durable. Yeah, durable,

440
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 1: well built, built to to keep going for a while. Yeah,

441
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 1: well we beam were we set up to take breaks

442
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 1: or or no, we can of course he required to.

443
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 1: Don't know if that sold the show. This is a

444
00:22:55,080 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 1: one off show. Were midway through anyway, right, I was

445
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 1: just going to use this as hey, before we go

446
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 1: to break, which we might not take a break, so

447
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,440
Speaker 1: we may or may not. What is because I want

448
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 1: to mix this up. I want to get football stuff

449
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 1: in here, but also I want to get to know

450
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:14,199
Speaker 1: you guys. I actually know you guys, but let the

451
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 1: listeners get to know you guys. Will what's what's your

452
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 1: what's your favorite part of your job? And anybody can

453
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 1: jump in there. Wow, And I'm also going to ask

454
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 1: you what your favorite project is that you've worked on,

455
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 1: So put some thought into that. Okay, Ken, what's what's

456
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 1: the favorite thing that you do? My job? Yeah? What

457
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 1: do you get the most enjoyment out of oh Man?

458
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 1: This year, it's really been doing the live events, doing

459
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 1: the live postgame shows, pregame shows, going live and seeing

460
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 1: the reaction, like I mentioned earlier, of the fans and

461
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 1: interaction has been awesome. Something that's we've innovated in as

462
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 1: a you know, as a department and as a team

463
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 1: over the past few years. Integrating that with the connected

464
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:52,920
Speaker 1: TV and all the ways that the fans have interacted,

465
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 1: So that's that's been really cool. I still enjoy doing

466
00:23:55,920 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 1: narrative stuff, storytelling type videos, um, you know, players stories

467
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:05,679
Speaker 1: or documentary type work, So that's that's probably when I

468
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 1: feel the best is when I when I finish something

469
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 1: like that that I've been working on for a few

470
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,160
Speaker 1: weeks or or a few months or something like that.

471
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:16,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, every day it's kind of a different story here.

472
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 1: It's never every phase of the year. Every phase of

473
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 1: every day is just kind of a you know, I

474
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 1: compare I came from the music business, so I compare

475
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:27,879
Speaker 1: it to that in a certain way where it's just

476
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 1: such a ride. You know, you're just on this ride

477
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,640
Speaker 1: of whatever and whatever album you're promoting or whatever tour

478
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,159
Speaker 1: you're on, You're just riding this thing and you can

479
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 1: get off the train whatever point you're in, but the

480
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 1: train's going to keep on going whether you're here or not.

481
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 1: And yeah, fell's just such a machine and it's such

482
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 1: a grind for everybody involved. You know, players, staff, you know,

483
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 1: the people that work at the Star, the people that

484
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:54,919
Speaker 1: are working reception. You know, everybody feels it here. You know,

485
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,199
Speaker 1: when you win and lose, you feel it feel like

486
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 1: the literal air in the building is like different. It's

487
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 1: hard to explain it, but working here it's a different

488
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,880
Speaker 1: kind of vibe. But yeah, man, I really have enjoyed

489
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 1: being able to do the live stuff after the games

490
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 1: and and you know, seeing when we won against the

491
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 1: Saints this year, it was lit. It was just bonkers

492
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: life and numb. Everyone was just jumping out of their chairs.

493
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 1: You know, even in the studio as we're producing it,

494
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: we were jumping out of our chairs. But Cowboys Nation

495
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 1: was lit. It was good. Yeah. What about you, William, Yeah,

496
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a lot of like say good things.

497
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,439
Speaker 1: We got tons of perks of benefits, you know, working here,

498
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 1: all the things that were afforded, opportunities and things like that,

499
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: but nothing beats game day for me. Um. I like

500
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:45,440
Speaker 1: everything about the game they experience. I love like when

501
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 1: we go on the plane. I like seeing everyone dressed

502
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:49,679
Speaker 1: up in their suits and stuff, and you know, we

503
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 1: all get on there and everyone's nice and eat and

504
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: I really appreciate that. But like game day, when I

505
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 1: get to go down there, I typically go on the

506
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,120
Speaker 1: field at the end of the games to shoot two segments.

507
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 1: We do the first word and stuff like that, and

508
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 1: just like the atmosphere when you're on the field and like,

509
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,439
Speaker 1: you know, the fans are rowdy. He talked about the

510
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: same game. The same game was one of my favorite

511
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: movies this year on that field and like this, the

512
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 1: buzz and the excitement and stuff like that. I mean,

513
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 1: it's unreal. And then I'm fortunate enough to get to

514
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 1: go to the locker room afterward, you know, we do

515
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: interviews with you know, Jerry and the players and stuff

516
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: like that, and like the vibe in there and the

517
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: energy coming from there after wins. You know, it's great.

518
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 1: You know, obviously it's terrible when they lose, but the

519
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,679
Speaker 1: vibe after a win, it's it's second to none. I mean,

520
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:31,719
Speaker 1: it's just so exciting. And you know, to ride that

521
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: ride this way this year for you know, nine games,

522
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 1: it was I mean, that was awesome. You know, my

523
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: first year, we didn't do a lot of winning, so

524
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 1: I didn't have a lot of those moments. You know,

525
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 1: we had all the drama with you know, the court

526
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 1: stuff and you know, injuries in and out and dead

527
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 1: and Orlando and stuff like that. But this year to

528
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: get to ride the wave and just get to be

529
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 1: fun like it was. It was, it was awesome. It's hard.

530
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 1: It's hard to beat that, but you Doug Yeah, um, yeah,

531
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 1: I guess I have two things that are only get one.

532
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 1: Only get one. Now I'm kidding. Well, you're on the

533
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 1: side of the wall. You get too, Okay, okay. So

534
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 1: so there are two things that you get. You get

535
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 1: a buzz from. You get a creative buzz when you

536
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: even two take your word for it. The when a

537
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 1: lot more than two. I just got back from Mexico. Yeah,

538
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,439
Speaker 1: there you go. Yeah, when you know, when I do

539
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:25,679
Speaker 1: a creative audio production and you spend you know, several

540
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 1: hours on it and you finally get it the way

541
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,400
Speaker 1: you think it ought to sound, and you sit back

542
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 1: in your chair, you turn up the speakers and you

543
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: just let it hitch you. Um, you know, I buzz.

544
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 1: I'm just buzzing from the creative experience all the way home,

545
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: you know. So that's one thing, and that happens, you know,

546
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 1: that's something that's part of the gig. You do a

547
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: lot of productions and they have varying levels of satisfaction

548
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: and importance, but that sort of buzz keeps you going.

549
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,360
Speaker 1: And then the other thing, real buzz is when Jamison

550
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: sends him a case of IRUs whiskey for cutting those spots.

551
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: When our guy Paul, oh yeah, he brings us authentic

552
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,919
Speaker 1: piece of that man. Yeah. But the other thing is

553
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: is like the live show, like hanging with the Boys,

554
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: at the end of one of those shows, when you

555
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:14,360
Speaker 1: Nate and Kurt have just had infectious laughter, you're you're

556
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: you know the and you know how this gets the

557
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: callers are engaged. Uh, just thing at the end of

558
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: one of those shows, there's a buzz too, and and

559
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: that you know my before I got here, I produced

560
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: a lot of sports talk and so when you get

561
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:31,919
Speaker 1: to the end of a show that you just know

562
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 1: went really well, you walk out of it and you

563
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: buzz for a while. Yeah, and uh so, yeah, those

564
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: are the two and those can happen any day of

565
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: the week. Sometimes both of those happened in the same day.

566
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: And yeah, that's that's one of the great things speaking

567
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: of if anyone wants to call us eight eight eight

568
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: eight five five two two nine seven, I can't believe

569
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: I remembered that. After Mexico eight eight eight eight five five.

570
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: I want to just go further details into that show too.

571
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: On hanging with the boys. I was out of commission

572
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: all day yesterday and pretty much I'm still light hit,

573
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:07,719
Speaker 1: Like I don't know what's going I got some kind

574
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: of okay, Mexican flew or something. I don't know, just

575
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: not stay in Mexico apparently. Yeah, well, Shannon, what you

576
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: flew in eleven pm Sunday night? Yes and you were

577
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: here at your normal time morning and I remember staying

578
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: at lunch with you, and you were you looked you were.

579
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: I just thought it was dehydration and lack of sleep.

580
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: And then yesterday, yesterday, it like came down on me

581
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: and was like, this is not just dehydration and lack

582
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: you had those I was. I wasn't bad shape. I

583
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: would not have felt better this morning. I would not

584
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: be here. I really just came in here for this

585
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: for you guys. I really did. I really did well

586
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: for us to pull this off. We definitely needed you know,

587
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: you could as many of these as you do. You

588
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: guys could have done this totally. But this is better. Yeah,

589
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: much better? All right? What who's your favorite player this season?

590
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: And why? On the field or off? I think maybe

591
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: you could do both. I think you could pick same

592
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: answer Marcus Lawrence all right off the field. On the field,

593
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: the dude's a beast on the field. Don't have to

594
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: say that they're needing to keep him around for those reasons,

595
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: but for our reasons, I hope they keep him around.

596
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: Super fun, super energetic, really played into the Hoppaways branding

597
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: thing that we really played off on social media and

598
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: on the web and on merchandising and everything. But really

599
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: nice guy, genuine locker room guy, gets along with everybody.

600
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: You can tell he's a leader in the locker room.

601
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: He's really matured over his career. I think we drafted

602
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: him my second year here. So to see him go

603
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: in that Detroit playoff game, who's this guy? Made that

604
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: play at the end to being like, oh, we know

605
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: who this guy is. Where's you know? It's been awesome

606
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: and he's just probably has the most to say of anybody.

607
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: He does not care. You know, you kind of need

608
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: those guys to give us sound bites and things that

609
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: we can work with. And he is definitely the guy

610
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: that consistently day after day is the stuff to work with.

611
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: And he really just stepped into that role really this year.

612
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: Like he's always been a good guy he's always been,

613
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: but he's kind of been quiet, hadn't had a lot

614
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: to say. And this year he really became like the

615
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: locker room guy captain on defense. No, he will be

616
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: captain yet nobly right, Yeah, but he was really the

617
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: guy that didn't say a whole lot in the locker

618
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: room Crawford. Yeah, and this year he just kind of

619
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: stepped up and he was the guy that said, Hey,

620
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: we need to go here to mf or in the

621
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: mouth and that's the game. They stepped up and then

622
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: the defense really started clicking. So I totally agree with that.

623
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: Who's your favorite guy, Douglas Man, It's either Travis or

624
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: Dak and probably Dak Um. He's he's recorded a bunch

625
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: of commercial spots in my studio and a lot of

626
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: When you've been at covering sports for for many years,

627
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: you know that the public persona you never want to

628
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: be ts isn't exactly it's not necessarily who that person

629
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: is Um and really working here, a lot of the

630
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: guys have have been pretty cool no matter what. But uh, yeah,

631
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: he comes, he comes in my studio and he's he'll

632
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: be voicing a script and he'll do something with it

633
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: that's totally wrong on purpose, just to make sure I'm listening,

634
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: you know. So he does stuff like that. You know,

635
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: he's just a really good guy. He's the authentic deal.

636
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: Um he's from North Louisiana, what is it? Yeah, yeah,

637
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, as you couldn't ask for a better

638
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: face of the franchise. I mean, DeMarcus Ware was like that.

639
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: You know. Um, he's one of the I won't say

640
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: the few, but he's one of the guys that lives

641
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: up to the expectation that I think he's this and

642
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: then he really is better than what you think. Yeah,

643
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: Da Dak absolute everything, one hundred percent, saying everything you

644
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: want him to be in a starting person to lead

645
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: your franchise because you followed him to that's a story.

646
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: I'll give you the short story. So, um, we heard

647
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: that Dak was going to return to his college, Mississippi State,

648
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: for the first time since he had broken out his

649
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: rookie year one Rookie of the Year. All this stuff

650
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: hadn't even been back and uh it was going to

651
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: be during the spring game for Missisippi State football, but

652
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 1: they had a baseball game before it, So we caught

653
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: wint to that h Taylor's stern David Hellman Uh and

654
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: Derek organized the trip for us to go out there.

655
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: They said, hey, come along, we might be able to

656
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: film some stuff because the plan was for Dave to

657
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: do an article, a long form article about his homecoming

658
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: interview some people. Um, we show up there. Dak didn't

659
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 1: know we were going, and he was kind of confused, like,

660
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: oh black guys, Hey guys, you know like that, and

661
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: it was very like, oh no, we didn't. We We

662
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: felt awkward about it. But let me just say he

663
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,439
Speaker 1: could not have been cooler about it, welcomed us in,

664
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: invited us places, sat down when we got back for

665
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: the documentary and released it and promoted it and was

666
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: so so cool. So just from a person leader on

667
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: the field off the field, he's everything that you would

668
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: want a leader, person quarterback to be. So I think

669
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: he's gonna be here for a long long time and

670
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: I want him to. Yeah, he's great. You're right, he's

671
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: great to work. You don't have to worry about him. No,

672
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: you know, if you can get Dak, you're good for

673
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: any kind of thing we're doing. So yeah, what about you, William? Um,

674
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: I mean I could echo what Kent said, because DeMarcus

675
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 1: is obviously my guy, and he's a beast on the

676
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: field and he's he's phenomenal in the locker room into

677
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: work with. I mean, I have to go in there

678
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: and talk to these players to win lose, and he's

679
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: always good to me. He always makes time to you know,

680
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: sure we get something, and so I appreciate him for that.

681
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 1: But just to talk about somebody different, I'll I'll say

682
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: Layton both on and off the field, you know. For me,

683
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: like last year was my first year, so like this

684
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 1: is my first time now I'll kind of comfortable in

685
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 1: my role and seeing him from day one, from when

686
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: he came in here on his tour and how he's

687
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: changed and involved him and shored into a player that

688
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 1: a lot of people had a lot of question marks about,

689
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:22,760
Speaker 1: you know, as far as like what kind of player

690
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: he could be and you know, what kind of person

691
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: and stuff like that coming from the seven on seven

692
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: football and stuff like that, because a lot of people

693
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: weren't happy with that show at all, and you could tell.

694
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: I mean I talked to him and he definitely had

695
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: it expressed, you know, some concern or some you know,

696
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: some feeling about it. I won't say concern, but um,

697
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: you know, to see him now, to get to all

698
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: the way to the point where I saw him and

699
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 1: his family, I mean we flew on the plane to

700
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl with his parents sat in a rogue right

701
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: across from me. To see it, like, all the way

702
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: from that to that moment there, I mean, it's it's

703
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 1: it's very impressive to see that, you know, type of player,

704
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: mature and the feel and you know, obviously now to

705
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: the point where I think sky's the limit for him.

706
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: I mean, he can definitely be a leader on that

707
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 1: defense with DeMarcus and stuff like that going forward. So

708
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: I'm excited about that. And then he he never says no.

709
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: Now I granted, so he's a rookie, so he really

710
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: can't say no. But you know, they change, They all

711
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: change this year. I mean, if we needed something Layton Hey,

712
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 1: he would do it. He'd always make time for us.

713
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 1: So I can appreciate that. Yeah, And we take advantage

714
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: of rookies because we know they will change. But when

715
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: they're a rookie, they don't know any better. They don't

716
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: know any better, So we take advantage of them because

717
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 1: the most of them the very next year they go

718
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: to I don't really want to do that or not.

719
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 1: I can't sorrow. Yeah, I gotta go lift, I gotta film,

720
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: I gotta get treatment, massage. Treatment develops quickly. How to

721
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: go lift? That's a good one. Get I get that.

722
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 1: I get that a lot. I gotta go lift. And

723
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: I wasn't classic des one you want how much are

724
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 1: you lifting? Does you're a receiver? Pushing anybody? Funny? Gotta

725
00:36:54,840 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: get those squads? Oh yeah, Um, let's see. How did

726
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: you guys get here? I think that's something people would

727
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: want to know. Everyone always asks how did you get

728
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: in the business? How I would have worked for a

729
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 1: pro team? How did you guys? Because everybody here has

730
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,280
Speaker 1: been here for a little while. Williams probably the least

731
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: tenured person, but you've been here for a couple of years.

732
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: So how did you guys get to where you're at

733
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: on this kind of journey? Douglas, you're the oldest. Well, yeah,

734
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: and I've heard you say this on the air before.

735
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 1: You talked about how when you get in an organization,

736
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: you're just willing to do anything and everything to keep

737
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: your foot in the door. So as opposed to how

738
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: I got working for the Cowboys. When I first started

739
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: working for the Cowboys radio network, I was still a

740
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: student down at UT Austin and I had interned for

741
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: the flagship radio station that the summer after my sophomore year,

742
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 1: I think, or maybe after my freshman year, and I

743
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:58,359
Speaker 1: told him I'll do anything to work game days. I'll

744
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,240
Speaker 1: drive up from Austin, and that's what they said, okay,

745
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: And so that's what I ended up doing. I was

746
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: on the road six hours every Sunday from my sophomore

747
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: for my sophomore, junior, senior year in college. And you know,

748
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: my GPA probably wasn't as high as it could have

749
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:17,879
Speaker 1: been after that. But but yeah, that's how I got

750
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 1: in is you just kind of do anything that's asked

751
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: of you. And eventually I got here because Jerry Jones

752
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: brought the radio network in house and I had several people,

753
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: you know, I guess putting in a good word for me.

754
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: I'd already been in touch with Scott Purcell, you know,

755
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: probably in the six months prior to the radio rights

756
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 1: coming in house. He would email me needing a highlight

757
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: or radio highlight or something, and so yeah, yeah, when

758
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 1: the basically i'd been a radio network guy for for

759
00:38:56,120 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: from ninety two to two thousand and five, smooth and yeah,

760
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: and when it came in when it came in house,

761
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: the cowboys needed somebody to produce commercial spots, and so

762
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: I came in and did it. Did you work for free? Uh?

763
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 1: When I never you know, that was when you when

764
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: you drove up all those times. No, No, when I

765
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: turned back in the day where it's like when I

766
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: first interned at Channel eleven when it was Gaylord Broadcasting

767
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 1: and it wasn't CBS. Uh, they did not pay me.

768
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: But and I didn't pay. I wasn't paid for my

769
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: internship at the flagship radio station KBI held that summer.

770
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: But when I started working as product doing production on

771
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: game days, they paid me. And it was like, I

772
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: don't know it was this was like nineteen ninety two. Yeah,

773
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: so my first year it was the first Super Bowl

774
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 1: year of the nineties, so that was fun too. Um,

775
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: and I think they paid me, I don't know, ten

776
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: bucks an hour, fifteen bucks an hour, which back in

777
00:39:53,280 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety that was plenty to cover gasm. I was

778
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: just like, wow, okay, radio business hadn't gotten frugal at

779
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: that point, so it's way they're probably still paying. They

780
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: may not be paying ten bucks an hour in twenty nineteen.

781
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, what about you, William? How did

782
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 1: you get here? Um? So my road is a little

783
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: bit different. Um. Um had worked for a number of

784
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 1: three and four letter networks before we got here. Um,

785
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 1: And honestly, working at those networks, I just I covered sports, obviously,

786
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 1: and I'm just doing a lot of stuff for teams

787
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: I didn't really care about so four letter networks. Did

788
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: you ever work for the Oho? Oh? Alright, these are

789
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: major these are major sports networks. Okay, all right, I

790
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:38,439
Speaker 1: don't want to get in trouble and say the wrong

791
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 1: thing they get on the mic. Um, you go there,

792
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 1: we go, don't work there anymore. It's cool. So yeah,

793
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 1: So working for them, you know, you cut a lot

794
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 1: of stuff that you necessarily, Um, you're not a fan

795
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: of the content all the time. You know, you have

796
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 1: to get a SI. You do things you have to do,

797
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: and um, I would just always like cut my own,

798
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,240
Speaker 1: like hypes and stuff for cowboys. I was a cowboy

799
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: fan growing up in a cowboy fan my whole life,

800
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: and I just did it for like personal enjoyment. I

801
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: finished my day as I head access to all the

802
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: videos and stuff like that, so it was easier than

803
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: most and I just would cut hypes and so I

804
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: put them on the internet. I put them on you know,

805
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,439
Speaker 1: Twitter and face. Guys I've been trying to take down

806
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: for the best. Yeah, yeah, I was one of those

807
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: guys exactly. Shannon knows too. I know. Look, we've had

808
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: to talk to YouTube YouTube. Let's just sat I'm one

809
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: of those guys. I'm one of the guys that you

810
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 1: want to be that actually made it work. But a

811
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 1: lot of people making Cowboys videos um in their own time,

812
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: which was pretty awesome. Yes, people do for free in

813
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: their own time what we do for a job. I

814
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,720
Speaker 1: definitely did it for free, and I will put in hours,

815
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: well into the night just to do it. It only

816
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: makes Can't really mad when you use his stuff and

817
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: pass it off as your own. Oh yeah, he's okay

818
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: with the other kind of hype. I'm okay with I'm

819
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: taking raw cuts, taking melts and making your own thing.

820
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: But I'm not cool with let's download hype video from

821
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: Dallas cowboys dot com and just put your own branding

822
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: YouTube and put your watermark on it. Yeah, that's why

823
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: cool of that. That's why I'm not gonna lie. That's

824
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: a whole other podcast. Make everyone and kick talking. I'm

825
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 1: seeing looks and KINSII. I didn't want to be on

826
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: the receiver. You're bad news media for that, That's correct.

827
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: So so actually, so I kind of hype and it

828
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: was really good when it came out. Well, I got

829
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: a lot of good, you know, a traction stuff on

830
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: the internet and players were retweeting and shout out to

831
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: Kelsey Charles. She found my video and she was just like, oh,

832
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 1: this is awesome. We gotta find a way to get

833
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 1: you around. And so she had showed Derek and showed

834
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: Nick some of my stuff. They reached out. They wanted

835
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: to see some work, and um, I put together some

836
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: stuff for him. I actually put together some show opens

837
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: for some stuff that was already made. I had like

838
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 1: rebranded some content. You know, I'd already had familiarity with

839
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: how to do the stuff with all the nature of

840
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: the work I'd already put in other places, and so

841
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,240
Speaker 1: I just you know, kind of put together this little package.

842
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: They flew me down. We had lunch, um, and we

843
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: just kind of talked about some of the things and

844
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: some visions and ideas. They told me at the time

845
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 1: they actually didn't have a spot for me there, and

846
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: so they were like, do you have any other skill sets?

847
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 1: And so UM kind of told them some of the

848
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: other things I was doing, you know, like a blog

849
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 1: site with some friends and some stuff like that, and

850
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: they were like, oh, well, we have a need for

851
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: some webmaster work. And so it's like kind of getting

852
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: the door, kind of find your way. And at the

853
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: time I was like, all right, well, they minutes where

854
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 1: I wanted to be. I was, you know, getting older

855
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: in age and stuff, and I wanted to find where

856
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 1: I wanted to settle down and stuff like that, and

857
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 1: here opportunity presented itself. Everything kind of worked out, you know,

858
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: and here we are and so far I haven't haven't

859
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,320
Speaker 1: regretted that. You know, it's been It's been a blast, can't.

860
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: You kind of had not a similar path to Douglas,

861
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 1: but in a way you kind of start off as

862
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: an intern insane different bay. I actually went to school

863
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,280
Speaker 1: right out of high school for music and music business

864
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: um and intern while I was in high school, uh

865
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:48,879
Speaker 1: locally around some sports stations covering golf tournaments, a football games,

866
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: things like that. Sitting in the truck and taking stats

867
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 1: and things like that. While I was in high school,

868
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: and I always did you know, the sports, the varsity

869
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: football highlight reel for the team. And I was doing

870
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: PA announced for high school. So I was always going

871
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: to be doing sports. But I was in bands and

872
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: things like that. So I had kind of two loves

873
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: and I was like, which one do I want to pursue?

874
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: Is it sports or is it music? So right out

875
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: of high school, I wanted to do music, and so

876
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 1: did that. Pursued that immediately. UM took a record contract

877
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: right when I got into high school, and it it was

878
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: like the first, you know deal, I could get to

879
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: go out and tour and make records and do that

880
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 1: whole thing. Um, And then I still had this love

881
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: for sports and so but wait, wait, wait, wait, let's

882
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 1: stop right there. You are a former teen band pop

883
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: music start. He wasn't really a boy band because they

884
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: didn't do any dancing. They were real bad their lights

885
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: on by the way, I've seen, can't I've looked at

886
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: some of the videos that his band made, yea, and

887
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 1: he he he came up with ways to do things

888
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: behind the keyboard, like he would oh yeah, can't play keyboards.

889
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: Tell everybody who you played for called Forever the Sickest

890
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 1: Kids or from Dallas, um rock music. Um, we're pretty

891
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 1: active probably from O seven to about twenty thirteen fourteen

892
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: m the scene. Yeah, and so that's what I was

893
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 1: doing from O seven to twenty eleven. Okay, this was

894
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 1: years I was active doing that. But Douglas is right,

895
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 1: when you play I played piano, keys and little guitar.

896
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 1: But when you playing keys, you gotta do something to

897
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: think outside. So I was doing handstands on the keyboard.

898
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: I got a guitar at one point. You know, I

899
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: would do like guitar guitar flips and like, I just

900
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: gotta keep it interesting and fun, you know. But so

901
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 1: I should you ever do that back there when you're producing,

902
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 1: stand up on the producer board with your toes, take

903
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: your shoes. Douglas was like the first idea for this podcast.

904
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: Channon was like, pitch this podcast. That's like, hey, what

905
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 1: if we got all the producers together to talk about

906
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 1: you know, the production elements, and Dougs like, we can

907
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: plug in your keyboard in here. Yeah, Lott house Band

908
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: a little disappointed Baul Shaffer. So that's where actually where

909
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: I started doing music, recording records, doing the whole thing,

910
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 1: major label, you know, record cycle thing for five six years,

911
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: and then I got burned out of that and had

912
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 1: a love for sports. I wanted to do film too,

913
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: so I went to film school at TCU, who has

914
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: a sports broadcasting department, and so it was kind of

915
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: the two things I wanted to do was get a

916
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,760
Speaker 1: little more attuned to cinema things like that and radio.

917
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 1: I did radio at TCU, talk radio things like that,

918
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: and produced a lot of their baseball games for Fox

919
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: Sports Southwest and basketball, and got an internship at TCU

920
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: with FC Dallas in their marketing department doing videos, kind

921
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: of an intern for her web department. In twenty twelve season,

922
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,959
Speaker 1: I did that, left that place and saw an internship

923
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 1: open up here, an internship with digital media. It was

924
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 1: Ed K. Hill's in turn, shout out Ed K. Hills.

925
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: I would not be here without Ed I can say

926
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 1: certainty of that, but so applied for that. I already

927
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: done an internship for school. I didn't really need to

928
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: do another one. So I applied for that, and Ed K.

929
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 1: Hill called me like two days later. This is Ed

930
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 1: from the Cowboys could you come and talk to us?

931
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 1: And I was like yeah, and then let me check

932
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: my con let me check my colendar. Yeah, and so

933
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: I m I go and talk with Derek and he

934
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,399
Speaker 1: asks me, well, can you do audio? I was like, yeah,

935
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: I did, you know, just recorded. You know, I've got

936
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: experience with audios. Like, well, can you do video? He's like, yeah,

937
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: I can do video. Do you have sports experience? Yes?

938
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 1: I do. So it's kind of all these little check

939
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,720
Speaker 1: marks I had to hit and he was like, okay,

940
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: well I guess I can't say no, Ed, good luck.

941
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 1: And Ed took me and like took me under his

942
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: wing and showed me all this stuff, especially with the

943
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 1: website and with getting these things online and the podcast,

944
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: the whole how this thing worked. He really took me

945
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 1: under his wing. Yah, you were his shadow. I settle.

946
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: You were like, yeah, at his hip all the time. Everyone.

947
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 1: That's all I remember. Oh ya at the beginning is man.

948
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 1: He was so gracious and doing that and bringing me

949
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 1: on board. But it was one of those things where

950
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 1: all my resume, he saw my band on there and

951
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: he was like, I had seen you guys play in

952
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: Seattle when I lived in Seattle and called me, so

953
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 1: it was like, yeah, it's like a weird reason that

954
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: somehow the band led to this in a in a

955
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: weird way. But all that to say, over the years, yeah,

956
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: I've done the podcast and then kind of did a

957
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 1: couple of videos here and there, and um, I've kind

958
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: of stayed afloat through various means throughout the Cowboys. But

959
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: it's a very weird road. I understand that, and I

960
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: get people. I'm sure you guys get him all the time,

961
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: messaging and LinkedIn It'll email you out of nowhere. Hey,

962
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: you know, just wondering what I can do to get

963
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: your your kind of job or what school I can

964
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: go to. I'm like, you know what, I wish I

965
00:48:57,680 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: could give you an answer, but there's not one. You

966
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: just there's definitely no You got to meet somebody that

967
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 1: knows somebody that knows somebody that knows somebody. Just keep

968
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: what is that? Oh DMX Yeah yeah yeah, get out

969
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:15,359
Speaker 1: of jail, MX did just get out of jail? Yeah? Okay,

970
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: not a DMX follower, but I should be, I guess, um,

971
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,919
Speaker 1: But you're right, we all take weird roads, and there's

972
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: not one way to do it. There's no Hey, you

973
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: take this class and you go to and then you

974
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 1: get a job in the NFL. Really, if you want

975
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 1: to do it, you've got to put in. We just

976
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: had a guy named Max who worked for us for

977
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 1: two months and he got another offer to go to

978
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:41,240
Speaker 1: Memphis to work for the minor league baseball team full time.

979
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: And those are the types of things you have to

980
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 1: do if you want to be in this business, You've

981
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 1: got to go do um. You know, minor league baseball

982
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 1: for a couple of years, a lot of you know,

983
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,399
Speaker 1: Lindsay Cash was in Abilene, Texas for a couple of years.

984
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 1: You know, there's there's kind of like a high intern

985
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:58,919
Speaker 1: for a few years. William has done multiple jobs for free.

986
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: You're talking about not even and getting paid a lot

987
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 1: of the times. Um, you just kind of kind of

988
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: gotta have to show that you have to want to

989
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: do it, then you'll get you get paid money. Yeah,

990
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: it takes. It takes a certain level of debt. Yeah, Now,

991
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: don't let can't get you excited because sports does not

992
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: pay a lot money. Money. They pay you money, but

993
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:22,320
Speaker 1: not it's technically money. You will never be wealthy, wealthy

994
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 1: or in the locker room. Yeah, and up on the

995
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 1: fourth floor and that's about it. And the turnover is slow,

996
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 1: very especially here. So yeah, yeah, Ken, I'm gonna use

997
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: you as I don't know if you know this, but

998
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: I use you as a as a kind of a

999
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: sixth no six like a success story so good, as

1000
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: an example of what not to what not to do. Yeah.

1001
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: So Ed k Hill now is the head of digital

1002
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: for Orlando Soccer Club. So he left and took that role.

1003
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: And when he as he was leaving, he kept telling Derek, Hey,

1004
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 1: this guy's gonna be really good. He's already better than me.

1005
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 1: He's gonna be great. And we're you know, we know

1006
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 1: Ed's on the rays optical from what they do, so

1007
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: there's no way we don't see what you're seeing. But okay,

1008
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,760
Speaker 1: all right, Edd's on the way out. So we're interviewing

1009
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 1: for Ed's position, and Kent's, you know, just kind of

1010
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 1: around and you know, just doing intern things, kind of

1011
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 1: doing learning ed stuff. Well, we go to lunch one

1012
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,280
Speaker 1: day and we're talking about the history of the uniform

1013
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: and in Valley Ranch there were all these cabinets that

1014
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: had like the evolution of the uniform. We're talking about it,

1015
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: and like a day later, Kent, Kent sends I think

1016
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: Nick or or Derek or Nick and Derek he sends

1017
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 1: him this video and it's this I think two three

1018
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: minute video. And the funny part was Kent puts himself

1019
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: on camera and he's talking and he like has a

1020
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 1: microphone and he's and he narrates the whole video, and

1021
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 1: like we're looking at it and you know, kind of

1022
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,879
Speaker 1: chuckling and like he put himself on camera, and that's

1023
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 1: what we kept getting caught up on. And then we

1024
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: start watching this video and we're like, you know what,

1025
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:03,399
Speaker 1: wait a minute. Videos you cut Ken out. It's not

1026
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 1: it's actually good. Let's face out of it. And it's

1027
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:12,879
Speaker 1: actually a pretty good video. No. No, he actually had

1028
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 1: a throwback Dallas Cowboys sweatshirt. It's literally like one of

1029
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 1: those things where it would have been I was only

1030
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: in it for like two seconds at the beginning, because

1031
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 1: it would have been weird if it just opened with

1032
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 1: me like doing a voice over out, oh the way,

1033
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,320
Speaker 1: I remember you were in there for like a minute

1034
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,720
Speaker 1: and a half. Trust me. It was like the first story. First,

1035
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 1: it was like all I'm Kent Garrison and that I'm

1036
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 1: Ken Garrison, and here's the history of the uniform like

1037
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 1: that was it, and then it cuts to all b

1038
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,320
Speaker 1: role in like narration at that point. So the moral

1039
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 1: of the story is, do you remember that we were like,

1040
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: you know, we were kind of making fun that Kent,

1041
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 1: like this intern went out and put himself on camera.

1042
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: Whenever hardly anybody at the top now every now was promptly,

1043
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:55,280
Speaker 1: don't ever put yourself on camera again all that don't well,

1044
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: all of our staff now we're on camera. At some

1045
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: point the evolution of this job. Jobs have changed. But

1046
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 1: at the time it was like, oh my god, he

1047
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 1: put himself on camera. And then we started looking at

1048
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,359
Speaker 1: the video where like, this is actually pretty good if

1049
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: you take that out. So what it showed was is

1050
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 1: I never heard this. I've never heard that. If he

1051
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:18,479
Speaker 1: took him out of it, no, I don't. I probably

1052
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 1: embellished a little bit. I'm probably dramatizing this. Let me

1053
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: get to this, hang on, hang on them, Okay, this

1054
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: is a good thing. So what I always tell everybody is, hey,

1055
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 1: Kent heard something, he heard us discuss something, and he

1056
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 1: went and did something. He didn't sit back, he didn't

1057
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 1: go ask for permission. He went and did it and

1058
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 1: said Hey, I went and did this and it wound

1059
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Speaker 1: up being really good, and it was like showed initiative.

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00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 1: It showed like he didn't have to ask permission to

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Speaker 1: go do something. He just heard something, put something together

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Speaker 1: and went and did it. And I was like, go

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Speaker 1: do that. Go be Kent and and look what it

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00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 1: look where he's where he's at now. He produced our

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00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,359
Speaker 1: finished this fight video series two years ago. He went

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00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 1: and shot a documentary. He didn't he didn't go to

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Speaker 1: all these classes. He taught himself how to do all

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00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,399
Speaker 1: this stuff. And so I was self taught. That's one

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00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 1: thing too. There's not a lot of technical training for

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00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 1: what we do. There's so many different levels to running

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00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 1: a you know, a live TV show versus editing a

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00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,800
Speaker 1: video that's for later. You know, there's so many different things.

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00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,879
Speaker 1: There's not one degree you can get for all of it. So, yeah,

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00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 1: you gotta be self taught, self motivated. You gotta come

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00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 1: in here. You gotta grind for Like I said, for

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00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 1: if a minor league baseball team says you can come

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00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: run our scoreboard this year, but you really want to

1078
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 1: break into sports, go do it. Do it for free,

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00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: shake somebody's hand, go meet the local beat riders and

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00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 1: you're seeing get on Twitter, start following and messaging and

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00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 1: interacting with these people. You can really do it. I

1082
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 1: was in a band on a tour bus, literally laying

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00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 1: there saying, I can't believe I never have to a

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00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 1: go to school again or be work again in my life.

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00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: Like I was at that point where I could have

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00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: just ridden that wave, you know, but then I was like, no,

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00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: I kind of want to do see if I can

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00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 1: do it. You know. It's one of those can you

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00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 1: see who you can do it? And here I am

1090
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 1: because I I literally worked for free, free year. So

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Speaker 1: if you're able to do that, like sleep on a

1092
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 1: relatives cout ground, the ground that's real. You gotta do

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00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 1: what you can and you can be here if you

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00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: have the initiative and the skill was required, and you

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Speaker 1: all right, I gotta cut you off because we gotta

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Speaker 1: get out of here. I want to get one more

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Speaker 1: point one more question before we go. The moral of

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00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,360
Speaker 1: the story is do like Ken and just go do something.

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Speaker 1: Don't wait on somebody to bring you something. Sure, real quick.

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Speaker 1: We've got a couple of minutes before we got to

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Speaker 1: start another podcast. I gotta go behind the Wall. What

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Speaker 1: do you guys think about the killing Moore hiring. I'm excited.

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00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 1: We only have three minutes. Yeah, I say we got

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00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 1: a thought second about forty five seconds a piece. I'm

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00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 1: excited to see something new. I mean he's new, he's

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00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: never done it before. He's young, and I think the

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00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 1: youth movement has been working so far. Though Mark was successful.

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00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:49,839
Speaker 1: I like Richard a lot, but what he's been doing

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Speaker 1: for the defense, so I'm excited to see what he

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Speaker 1: can do. I'm I'm willing to give him a fair chance.

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00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: I'm like some people out there are I think a

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00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 1: lot of people. I'm encouraged. I'm encouraged to say this.

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Speaker 1: I mean I've spent time and talk to him, but

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Speaker 1: I'm excited. Yeah, it's so it's so far beyond what

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00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 1: I could know. You know, I don't know how things

1116
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 1: go behind the scenes back there, but um, you know

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00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 1: I trust it because I mean when they hired Jason Garrett,

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00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 1: you know that Mike Tomlin had just been a very

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Speaker 1: young successful head coach. But there weren't a bunch of them.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Jason Garrett was one of those guys who

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00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,240
Speaker 1: was a pretty young guy to be a head coach

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00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:30,720
Speaker 1: and so for them to give a chance to Kellen

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Speaker 1: Moore they see something. I just trust that they know

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Speaker 1: what they're doing. Trust the process. Yeah, yeah, no he

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Speaker 1: um yeah, I was listening to the show earlier and

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00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 1: you know Hellman was talking about or maybe it was

1127
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 1: a Tweetum, it might have been Rob that. You know,

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Speaker 1: Dak is one of the biggest advocates for Kellen Moore. Yeah,

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00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 1: you know, And but I think there there can't just

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Speaker 1: be one advocate there. There got to be a lot

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00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 1: of people who have seen something. Take to take a

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00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: guy with his experience that seems limited and just give

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00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 1: it to him. Everyone over there believe. So I trust that. Okay, yeah, um,

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00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 1: let's see man, let's go. You know, that's what kind

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00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 1: of my attitude. Um, head coach is the same. Personnel's

1136
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 1: pretty much going to be the same. Um. You never know.

1137
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: This guy could be the answer, and if he's not

1138
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 1: the answer, he'll won't be here next year. So we'll

1139
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 1: find out real fast if it's not gonna work. You

1140
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 1: know a lot of people, you know, Sean McVeigh had

1141
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: experience as an OC before he got the head coaching,

1142
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 1: but when he when they made that higher They're like,

1143
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 1: who is this guy? What has he done? You know?

1144
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,479
Speaker 1: So young? Whatever? Um, now look at him. They're playing

1145
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 1: the super Bowl in four days. So I don't know

1146
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 1: if he's the answer, but we'll find out, I guess.

1147
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 1: But I'm not against the higher I'm not I'm not

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00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: against it. But let's wait and see. We'll wait and see. Yeah,

1149
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: I guess that's all you can really do at this point. Beam,

1150
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: you want to jump in on that one before we

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00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: get out of here. There's a there's one real quick.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people don't talk about this, but there's

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Speaker 1: a guy by the name of Dow Logins. Okay, and

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00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 1: he's he's actually the offensive coordinator right now at the

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00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 1: New York Jets. He worked here for the Cowboys probably

1156
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 1: about a good ten about eight years ago. Okay. The

1157
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 1: guy's about four foot maybe five three, not really a

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00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 1: big guy. We used to call him Spreadsheet because that's

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Speaker 1: all he used to do, a spreadsheet for the scouting department.

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Speaker 1: He became and he was and he was a college

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Speaker 1: quarterback named Spreadsheet fresh Freshet. Anyways, so this is a

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Speaker 1: guy who who didn't really want to be in the

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Speaker 1: scouting department. He want to be a coach someday and

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Speaker 1: be honest with it. He's followed around um Gaze for

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00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 1: around to all his coaching jobs, and at one point

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Speaker 1: Chicago he was the O. He was a quarterback coach

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00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 1: can the OC a Chicago and he and Gaze wanted

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00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:49,439
Speaker 1: to take him to be the OC. But John Fox

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00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 1: is like, no, no, no, this guy is good. I

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00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 1: want to keep this guy. And he's he's been the

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00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator form like three different teams now and it's

1172
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 1: about to be the one for the New York Jets.

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00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 1: So I mean, and you couldn't pick him out of

1174
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 1: a grocery store, beyonest with it. He's not like this.

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00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 1: You know, it was a little, little kind of guy.

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Speaker 1: And I mean he has the um. He he has

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Speaker 1: what it takes to be like a offensive coordinator league

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00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 1: and that's what Kellen Moore could be could be. And

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00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 1: you know, Tony Romo wasn't Tony Romo until he got

1180
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 1: a chance to do it. So you never know. So

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00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 1: I'm with you. Let's let's see what happens and maybe

1182
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 1: some of the fans that don't like this move right,

1183
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 1: maybe hopefully they're wrong. And you know, you didn't know

1184
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 1: you had dak until him out in front of him hurt.

1185
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 1: Let's give him a shot. Let's see what happens. So well, guys,

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Speaker 1: this has been fun. It was so much fun. We

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00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 1: didn't even take a break and we still went over

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Speaker 1: so I was good. Yeah, I enjoyed it. Thank you.

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00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 1: And oh yeah, anything for you, guys, anything for you

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00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 1: got hit me that light saw candle the way out?

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00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:57,479
Speaker 1: Does I have to move to that side of the table.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well thanks Ken, appreciate it. Man, Thank you, yep, Douglas,

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Speaker 1: thank you, Thank you, William Chris mean behind the wall.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for doing an impromptu, uh producing job for us.

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Speaker 1: Hell of a job, by the way, being yes, thank you.

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Speaker 1: It's a good job. I would have been interested to

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Speaker 1: see how you took us in and out of commercial breaks,

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Speaker 1: but I'll show it. He still punched the big button

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Speaker 1: and can't punch still punch the button. Thanks for doing that.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Great intro, great music, great times here on

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Speaker 1: the producers. We'll catch you next time. Peace Well. This

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Speaker 1: has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and

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