Speaker 1: We like to welcome everyone to another episode of the
Speaker 1: Gangster Chronicles podcast and move my dog. You know, we're
Speaker 1: here about the police shooting a lot of people. You know,
Speaker 1: sometimes it's proper. Sometimes they're justin, you know, shooting somebody.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you know, more often than not. Unfortunately, um, they
Speaker 1: don't have to use the excessive for us. They do
Speaker 1: as we see recently a new thing. You know, they
Speaker 1: shot a man in Arizona that was in the wheelchair.
Speaker 1: Brother that was in the wheelchair got shot, right, Um,
Speaker 1: I guess this just happened on the Two Sign Police
Speaker 1: Department is officially terminated. The cup who killed a disabled man,
Speaker 1: shooting the wheelchair bound sixty one year old man nine
Speaker 1: times in the back and side. This is a guy
Speaker 1: in a wheelchair now. The killing took place the end
Speaker 1: of November in a big box shopping complex south of
Speaker 1: downtown the Arizona City. A four year veteran of the
Speaker 1: Two Sign Police Force, Ryan Remington, was working on a
Speaker 1: special duty side shifted security for a wal Mart store.
Speaker 1: They're a man named Richard Richards allegedly shot lifted the
Speaker 1: two bucks as Richard rode up store in his red
Speaker 1: mobility device and employee asked to see his receipt, and,
Speaker 1: according to an account offered by the Tucson Police, Mr
Speaker 1: richardson brandish and knife and said, here's your receipt. Officer
Speaker 1: Remington's having observed it, encounter pursued Richards out of the
Speaker 1: store and into the parking lot and a slow speed
Speaker 1: chase on foot and the video released by the police,
Speaker 1: Remington can be heard calling for backup a legend Richards
Speaker 1: pulled a knife on. A second officer soon arrived on
Speaker 1: the scene wearing a body camera. A scene on the
Speaker 1: video from that device, Richards was ignoring Remington's orders and
Speaker 1: rolling towards the injuries of a Lows Garden center. Remington shouted,
Speaker 1: do not go on the store, Sir. Richards did not obey.
Speaker 1: Remington suddenly opened fire at close range, shooting eight times
Speaker 1: in rapid succession from behind the wheel chair before firing
Speaker 1: a knife shot. After brief falls, Richards can then be
Speaker 1: seen toppling head first on to the pavement, where he
Speaker 1: gets handcuffed by Remington. Richards was declared dead shortly the
Speaker 1: after so he pushed the man over in his wheel
Speaker 1: check James dead lifeless body handcuffed them up and face
Speaker 1: down on the ground straight. Disrespectful. Yeah, it was disrespectful,
Speaker 1: and I imagine and it's not saying the guy in
Speaker 1: the wheelchair was wrong for stealing, But there's no way
Speaker 1: you can justify shooting him that many times. For shooting
Speaker 1: him period, he was wheelchair bomb. When they just say,
Speaker 1: for instance, I shot somebody, and I shot somebody multiple times,
Speaker 1: they're gonna give me another case for the many times
Speaker 1: that I shot that person. Uh, I forgot what they
Speaker 1: call it, but I know somebody out there know what
Speaker 1: it is. Excessive forces of motherfucker. But it don't apply
Speaker 1: to them, but it applies to us. So what's the
Speaker 1: fucking reason for shooting a handicapped man nine times? Even
Speaker 1: even if you got a knife, you can't take that
Speaker 1: knife from me. Where's their training that bro? Where's you
Speaker 1: know you gotta have from that? You can't handicap man,
Speaker 1: you don't need to be a police officer. Well that's
Speaker 1: the thing, James, this guy's in a wheelchair. It's not
Speaker 1: like you know, if it's a big burly guy, because
Speaker 1: a guy with a knife can take you out. I
Speaker 1: can see if it was a regular walking man with
Speaker 1: a knife and said you know I got this knife
Speaker 1: from stab you. But um, from what I know, especially security,
Speaker 1: once a person is in the parking lot, you're really
Speaker 1: not supposed to pursue him anymore. He's gone already. Well
Speaker 1: we're talking about a police officer though, right, we're talking
Speaker 1: about the police officer. And this guy was evidently I
Speaker 1: guess I'm doing some side work with wald March. You know,
Speaker 1: he was out making him an extra few dollars, I
Speaker 1: guess doing some security and wal Mark, and he just
Speaker 1: kind of just took that way overboard. So what they're
Speaker 1: doing about it is is did they file charges against
Speaker 1: him for doing it? Well? Here he deals right here.
Speaker 1: Um to Sign. Mayor of Regina Ramero quickly blasted the
Speaker 1: sling is unconsciousnes about and indefensible. In the press conference
Speaker 1: the day after the shooting, to Sign, Police Chief Chris
Speaker 1: magnus scoreated Remington. I am deeply troubled by Officer Remitton's actions,
Speaker 1: he said. This use of deadly forced this incident is
Speaker 1: the clear violation of department policy and directly contradicts multiple
Speaker 1: aspects of our use of forced training. The chief announced
Speaker 1: that the that the department had already moved to terminate
Speaker 1: officer Remington. So he's getting fired and I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: surprised to see his next step being a lengthy sentience
Speaker 1: in jail. That all depends some of them, don't get.
Speaker 1: I mean, it all depends on what you mean length
Speaker 1: to you. For five years, he took a man life. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he took a man's life. Like to be honest with you, um,
Speaker 1: I think the only way you can justify this because
Speaker 1: that man's family is about to get paid. I mean
Speaker 1: they are, but it ain't about the money. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: nothing about the money. That really don't matter. So so
Speaker 1: this is this is where what I see when she
Speaker 1: like incidents like this happened. This is what they should do.
Speaker 1: I mean, every police officer to have to retrain because
Speaker 1: you gotta be you gotta be trained for different situations
Speaker 1: in the street because you're gonna have all different types
Speaker 1: of ship that happens. So if you if you can't
Speaker 1: take a man in a wheelchair down, you shouldn't be working.
Speaker 1: If you don't have anybody on the force that can
Speaker 1: talk to a a a kid with down centrome and
Speaker 1: just out there acting already and really don't know what
Speaker 1: they're doing. If you're not prepared to to to handle
Speaker 1: a certain situation, then they shouldn't be called to the
Speaker 1: scene for that type of ship. Everybody is not equipped
Speaker 1: to do certain things. So somebody has to be equipped
Speaker 1: to handle multi situation different ships. Man. So here you
Speaker 1: got a sixty one year old man dead. They could
Speaker 1: have tasted they could have I mean, they could have
Speaker 1: pulled out the shield and and rushed them. They could
Speaker 1: have come him, they could have got him. And you know,
Speaker 1: and I'm not laughing, James, because I'm not laughing at
Speaker 1: the loss of life here. I'm laughing because it's almost
Speaker 1: doesn't seem real. This man, the sixty one, you know,
Speaker 1: not to mix the wheel chick changed the brother of
Speaker 1: the sixty one years so right, he's not kicking up
Speaker 1: too much dest at that age. And the cold party
Speaker 1: is is you don't even have respect for life. You
Speaker 1: you killed, you him out to chair after after the fact, yeah,
Speaker 1: you said, and then one of the things that you
Speaker 1: have to mix. And they say that after he shot
Speaker 1: him the fifth time, there was a pause in between
Speaker 1: the sixth shot or the ninth shot, whatever it was,
Speaker 1: it was a pause in between like he just looked
Speaker 1: at him for a second. And just busting on him
Speaker 1: one more time and then just said and put the
Speaker 1: handcuffs on him. Change when he was dead. He was
Speaker 1: he was, he was done. You shot the man nine
Speaker 1: times in the back. What is he still a threat
Speaker 1: at the time? Though, No, he's not a threat to me.
Speaker 1: That man wasn't threat the moment you saw him in
Speaker 1: the wheelchair, first of all. And I'm pretty sure that's
Speaker 1: against corporates, wal Mart's corporate policy to go chasing people
Speaker 1: into the parking lot, because you have to imagine the
Speaker 1: amount of people, especially these wal marks the way they
Speaker 1: are not They have these big box wal marks. You
Speaker 1: know what, the grocery stores inside of those places are huge, right,
Speaker 1: So you gotta figure it's somebody every five minutes stealing
Speaker 1: something out of that, whether it's a twol fresh or
Speaker 1: a candy bar, a TV. You got people to work
Speaker 1: there stealing. You've got people coming in stealing. So I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure wal Mart already budgets that as a part
Speaker 1: of their business. Steps is a part of their business
Speaker 1: and say, okay, we go lose about a hundred thousand
Speaker 1: dollars a year in the store from the people are
Speaker 1: go steal. So you chase the man out the store
Speaker 1: with a tul box and we started shooting. Now, just
Speaker 1: think about how dangerous that is for the shoppers that
Speaker 1: are there, because you always go have people that the
Speaker 1: lucky loose, you know, the look you losing the crime scene.
Speaker 1: You always go have people standing around seeing what's happening.
Speaker 1: You out there shooting James. You don't know how easy
Speaker 1: it he is for a bullet to go through a
Speaker 1: window somewhere else and shoot somebody else. It was a girl,
Speaker 1: the loss of life at um T J Max or
Speaker 1: something like that, maybe six months ago from that same thing.
Speaker 1: Police shooting and cheating and triumph and dress with prom
Speaker 1: and moves to their life. That was just irresponsible. That's
Speaker 1: not I'm pretty sure that's not in the trend. Go
Speaker 1: shooting somebody in the public place. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: They you gotta you gotta have some kind of order here.
Speaker 1: You gotta have some kind of something. Somebody gotta be
Speaker 1: able to take him up down. Just because you got
Speaker 1: a nice we got guns, we got tasers, they got
Speaker 1: they got rubber bullets, they whatever the case might be,
Speaker 1: it don't happen to You don't have to just shoot
Speaker 1: people exactly. Well, the way they're cracking down on police today,
Speaker 1: you might be right, but you know, just keep happening.
Speaker 1: We ain't gonna have no police officers because ain't nobody
Speaker 1: gonna want to do the job. Um, they're not protecting
Speaker 1: each other like they used to, so a lot of
Speaker 1: people would quit, gonna quit. But I mean, do you
Speaker 1: wake up in the motherfucker do you wake up in
Speaker 1: the morning feeling like you got you're gonna kill somebody
Speaker 1: or you want to kill somebody today? You know, police
Speaker 1: officers are just like us. They're human. So if they
Speaker 1: wake up and go to work and have issues with
Speaker 1: the old lady that night, they take that bullshit to
Speaker 1: work with them. The majority of them do. Some don't
Speaker 1: know how to separate family life. You know, your life
Speaker 1: at home compared to going to work. You know what
Speaker 1: you're doing at work every day. So I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: that's that's that's crazy. He might he might not. The
Speaker 1: way that ship go today, is he definitely well, he
Speaker 1: definitely lost his job. Sure he's out of there, so
Speaker 1: he lost his can he he can go to another
Speaker 1: state or whatever and become a police officer there another
Speaker 1: county or anothering. You know what, I would imagine what
Speaker 1: the police force, James, that it's like kind of like
Speaker 1: a blanket thing. If you do something that one Pricing
Speaker 1: or another district out of state. I'm pretty sure when
Speaker 1: they check your record, if they heard that you shot
Speaker 1: up dude in the back of the wheelchair outside of
Speaker 1: the wall MARTA Knight and the left on his face,
Speaker 1: you know, with his face down, asks up, I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure you're not getting the job nowhere else. I would
Speaker 1: hope not. You know, I was definitely hope not. I
Speaker 1: would definitely hope my brother and I think, um, I
Speaker 1: think the thing is with with all these guys is
Speaker 1: that they get a sense of power, right, they get
Speaker 1: a sense of power and they just feel like they
Speaker 1: rule the world. That that could be the only explanation
Speaker 1: I can think about this is they get a sense
Speaker 1: of power and they just feel like, you know what,
Speaker 1: and I bet you if we go back, he has
Speaker 1: fell out with this guy before because that sounded person
Speaker 1: You think it was personal. Yeah, I think it was
Speaker 1: personal because you know, if you get a guy using
Speaker 1: these guys to go on these stories stealing James, they
Speaker 1: used to go all the time and still That's why
Speaker 1: they go to certain stories because they feel like it's
Speaker 1: easier for them to get away, you know. So if
Speaker 1: he was in there steal in the two box, I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure it wasn't his first time stealing, because I've
Speaker 1: seen guys and wheelchairs running their coins. I'm in the
Speaker 1: grocery store, like if I'm in Sam's Club or somewhere,
Speaker 1: I see dudes all the time. And those wheelchairs, you know,
Speaker 1: the ones that they have for the store, the little
Speaker 1: mobility ones. I've seen the guy. Saw a guy one
Speaker 1: day just this past weekend, I'm gonna, you know, from
Speaker 1: the meat section and sam Club and to do this
Speaker 1: stuff and meat under a thunder this thing. Who donna
Speaker 1: check him? I didn't say that. Then I should have
Speaker 1: told him to throw me a couple of steaks up
Speaker 1: under there, and I shoot you a few dollars when
Speaker 1: we get outside. You know what I mean, right, you know,
Speaker 1: grab me these red buys, dog, and I shoot you
Speaker 1: twenty dollars when we get outside. You know. But you know,
Speaker 1: I'm just joking people. But I see people all the
Speaker 1: time doing stuff, and I tend to mind my business,
Speaker 1: you know, I tend to mind my business. So people
Speaker 1: in wheelchairs do steal. So I'm pretty sure he has
Speaker 1: gotten into it with that guy before, or he was
Speaker 1: a guy because in some of those stories they have
Speaker 1: suspects in the back, like this dude come in and
Speaker 1: stealing all the time. We can't catch him, but we
Speaker 1: know he's stealing. That's sound the personal change because he
Speaker 1: tore that dude's ass up. It's something was on his
Speaker 1: mind and shoot him nine times. Uh. You know, people
Speaker 1: in this situation like that everyday game banging and all
Speaker 1: that other ship is. It don't have to be personal,
Speaker 1: it just man. Do you know what? Man, whatever it is, James,
Speaker 1: there is no there's nothing that justifies that. That's like
Speaker 1: the craziest thing I've ever heard. I think that's almost
Speaker 1: worse than the look here we heard. So it's this
Speaker 1: guy black, you know what. Let me see. I didn't
Speaker 1: I didn't really think about what color he was. Man,
Speaker 1: But okay, let me see. They have footage of the
Speaker 1: they have footage of the killing that online. I don't
Speaker 1: know the guy's nationality, James, but I don't even think
Speaker 1: in this case it don't matter. Man. You shoot the
Speaker 1: sixty one year old man, man, well, one year old guy.
Speaker 1: I mean all points of it. It do matter. It
Speaker 1: matters because I mean, look where you act. And then
Speaker 1: you know, we can't deny that it a racism out there.
Speaker 1: We can't say there's no racism with police officers. We
Speaker 1: can't say there's no racism in the hospitals, fire department,
Speaker 1: We can't say that the military, because it do exist.
Speaker 1: Why why would I shoot a man nine times and
Speaker 1: I'm here to serve and protect it just it's supposed
Speaker 1: to be unheard up, but it's not unheard up. It
Speaker 1: shouldn't be that common, but it's common, you feel me.
Speaker 1: So you know, you gotta figure out and you gotta understand,
Speaker 1: you know, what's going on in the mind of them
Speaker 1: mother fucking police officer at that time of shooting a
Speaker 1: man nine times and then tipt him over in his
Speaker 1: chair then and comfy after you and he's dead. He's
Speaker 1: no longer a threat. So you're putting the cuffs on
Speaker 1: the man. And they just showed that he didn't have
Speaker 1: a hard saying that was pretty like that, that's pretty
Speaker 1: like um, that's pretty careless. Well, when they say that
Speaker 1: that's procedure, I think you want to use that type
Speaker 1: of ship when it's necessary a month bucker moving. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know the first thing they say is stopped resisting
Speaker 1: when it's clear that I'm just standing here, or you
Speaker 1: got your kneel on my neck or I mean it's
Speaker 1: almost seemed like it's damn They're planned, is orchestrated. Is
Speaker 1: we can get away with it if we just used
Speaker 1: these certain words, these certain tactics, do it this way,
Speaker 1: and your asses covered, you know that's what Well, that's
Speaker 1: the thing. It sounded really personal. But but here's another
Speaker 1: one right here, right now. We had another guy, another
Speaker 1: young black man, Jaylen Walker from Akron, Ohio. He shot
Speaker 1: forty six times UM and a tops. He revealed Jalen Walker,
Speaker 1: the unarmed man who was shot and killed by Akron,
Speaker 1: Ohio police to end up a high speed chase, had
Speaker 1: forty six gunshot entrance wounds or Gray's injury. Summer County
Speaker 1: Medical Examiner Dr. Lisa Cohler said Friday his death was
Speaker 1: due to blood loss from his eternal injuries and the
Speaker 1: cause of death is multiple gunshot wounds. Colder said tests
Speaker 1: revealed no evidence of drugs or alcohol in his system.
Speaker 1: He said, Walker, a twenty five year old black man,
Speaker 1: was shot as he fled police officers trying to stop
Speaker 1: him for an alleged traffic violation. He was remembered soft spoken,
Speaker 1: loving and kind of his funeral Wednesday. Details of the
Speaker 1: case continue to emerge the myth public scrutiny of how
Speaker 1: law enforcement personnel across the United States used force, especially
Speaker 1: against people of color. Walker was black, while seven of
Speaker 1: the eight officers who fired on him are white and
Speaker 1: one is black. The city is said all were put
Speaker 1: on paid administrative lead, per department policy, so they're gonna
Speaker 1: pay leave. Not right. Jalen Walker suffered at least sixty
Speaker 1: wounds and fatal shooting, Acting Police chief says in the
Speaker 1: authorities released body camp footage. Colon said the gunshot entrance
Speaker 1: wounds included fifteen on Walker's torso, where he had eternal
Speaker 1: injuries to his heart, lungs, liver, spleen, left kidney, and testants,
Speaker 1: and multiple ribs. Seventeen on his pelvits and upper legs,
Speaker 1: with the right major artery going to the leg and
Speaker 1: the bladder word injured and the pelvits and both femers
Speaker 1: were broken. One on his face where the jaw broke,
Speaker 1: eight on his arms and right hand, five on his knees,
Speaker 1: right lower leg, and right foot. Walker's family and representatives
Speaker 1: were able to review the sport prior to this announcement
Speaker 1: of the news conference. Covid said his cousin, Roder Walker Jr.
Speaker 1: Told Cenn on Friday, I feel like we've been echoing
Speaker 1: zero threat, zero violence. I keep saying his name, young
Speaker 1: African American male afron Ohio who was looking to explore
Speaker 1: the world lively, young man, love to travel, even made
Speaker 1: plans to come down to use and to visit the
Speaker 1: Road or Renaissance Festival and even catching live w W
Speaker 1: E and fin you see it. So his life was
Speaker 1: taken away way too soon. You know what we're gonna
Speaker 1: have to happened, James, And I'm gonna tell you this
Speaker 1: right now, and it's already happening. People are gonna start
Speaker 1: going back to the world with the police in the minute.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be the streets against the police, admitted. What
Speaker 1: you gotta look at it like this, when when and
Speaker 1: that's that's some crazy ship. You lose the fan, remember
Speaker 1: that being shot that many times by people that are
Speaker 1: here are supposed to be here to serving protect you.
Speaker 1: Who who the funk deserves to get shot that many times. Well,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. It just doesn't make sense. It
Speaker 1: defies logic almost, And just because he was running. Was
Speaker 1: he in the car? Yeah, he was in the car.
Speaker 1: And see that's the thing, James, when they say somebody
Speaker 1: is on the high speed chase. Do you know how
Speaker 1: many times I haven't been pulled over excessively necessarily? But
Speaker 1: I've had times that where the police are trying to
Speaker 1: pull me over, not to know they was I was
Speaker 1: the one that was trying to pull over. If you
Speaker 1: went traffic, sometimes on the freeway, and you just in
Speaker 1: the mold of driving and you haven't done anything wrong,
Speaker 1: sometimes you don't notice flashing lights behind you. So theoretically,
Speaker 1: if you you may drive a couple of miles before
Speaker 1: you were aware, and they might hit you with the
Speaker 1: horn like with the aren't you know what? Then you
Speaker 1: pull over? Right, But technically, if I'm driving for a
Speaker 1: couple of miles, what's to stop them from saying I
Speaker 1: was running? That's true child trying to evade capture, because
Speaker 1: you know, evidently he pulled over at some point, right,
Speaker 1: so he pulled over, You got him pulled over already.
Speaker 1: I don't see anything that can justify them shooting that
Speaker 1: man that many times. He didn't have a weapon with him,
Speaker 1: he didn't have a gun, he didn't have no drugs
Speaker 1: in the system, he didn't even have no weakness systems. Schames.
Speaker 1: He was sober. The man was sober. And I think
Speaker 1: it's just a hell of coincidence. And this keep happening
Speaker 1: to us, this keeps happening the black people. It ain't
Speaker 1: no coincidence. I mean, it is with it. That's why
Speaker 1: I say, man, it's what choices do we have. I
Speaker 1: think they believed that every every black man is violent,
Speaker 1: and it shows in these videos where they don't pulled
Speaker 1: over our shop, one of their own because he was black.
Speaker 1: They disrespected and treated him just like he was just civilian,
Speaker 1: a regular motherfucker like us. But police officer got his ass.
Speaker 1: Whold a black police officer, guy pulled over after stand,
Speaker 1: he got a gun, my gun on my hip, the
Speaker 1: whole nine. He didn't want to work with him like that.
Speaker 1: So man, even our our black police officers are scared
Speaker 1: of police officers. So man, I mean, you know, these
Speaker 1: people talk about us, but look how they're killing us. Bro,
Speaker 1: And we don't do shit. About it. Well, you know
Speaker 1: what the problem is, James, And um, I want to
Speaker 1: say this, and I've never been one that want to
Speaker 1: sound like a preacher. You know what our problem it was, James,
Speaker 1: is that we're too busy attacking each other to really
Speaker 1: focus on what the real threat is. Right. Well, see,
Speaker 1: we don't want to We don't want to deal with
Speaker 1: the real threat. We ain't trying to trip with no
Speaker 1: white people. We ain't trying to argue a fight with
Speaker 1: no white people. We are more comfortable with fighting ourself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think this is you know what, and I
Speaker 1: keep saying because this is definitely a color thing. This
Speaker 1: is definitely race motivated. Right, But and I don't think
Speaker 1: it's so much as tripping on white people as tripping
Speaker 1: on authority, on the people that authority out there actually
Speaker 1: killing us. Because the average white person don't have the
Speaker 1: same part of the police officer hands, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, They just can't come and just shoot you.
Speaker 1: They can't come and shoot you. But most of these
Speaker 1: white most of these white police officers, James, have ties
Speaker 1: the racist organizations already, So then being a police officer
Speaker 1: is just a bonus for them, right, gives them a
Speaker 1: license to kill. It gives them a bonus. So just
Speaker 1: imagine if I belong to a white supremacist organization and
Speaker 1: now I'm a police officer. I got a badge and
Speaker 1: I catched me, and you ride in the car. Okay.
Speaker 1: I got two black males driving, one of them suspicious.
Speaker 1: They're suspicious, one of them. They run the tags and everything.
Speaker 1: They pull us over, right, it's nothing in that. If
Speaker 1: there's nothing, think, I'm guys green nerve they can stop
Speaker 1: them from saying. Oh, he lunged stored me. Um. He
Speaker 1: was combative, he was argumented. Because I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 1: I've had instance, James to worry. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: was on point, kept my hands on the wheel, offs
Speaker 1: from reaching my back left pocket to pull my idea out,
Speaker 1: you know, my driver's license to get it to you.
Speaker 1: And I'm letting them know everything I'm doing. And I've
Speaker 1: still caught attitude. I've had a dude, they had this
Speaker 1: knee in my back, arms pulled back and I'm laying there.
Speaker 1: James can't hardly breathe, and he's telling me the whole
Speaker 1: time stop resisting. It's like, dude, I'm not moving, like
Speaker 1: like where am I gonna move to You're about to
Speaker 1: bring my arms off my shoulders. That's what I'm saying. See,
Speaker 1: I learned a long time ago there's no wind. So
Speaker 1: all of the argument and and and telling them fuck
Speaker 1: you you only met, you're only making a matter of
Speaker 1: worse for yourself. So when you applied and you listen
Speaker 1: to all their commands and all that other ship that
Speaker 1: they actually to do, it's still the same thing because
Speaker 1: now they're getting mad because you're saying yes, sir. Now
Speaker 1: they're mad because you you you're complying to all they commands,
Speaker 1: so they get they still get mad. So you you're
Speaker 1: the no win situation as it DoD said. No, you're
Speaker 1: already in a no win situation. So I mean, you
Speaker 1: know we came in, we came in with it. But
Speaker 1: I mean, like you said earlier, at some point people
Speaker 1: wanted to get up and fight because man, it's wrong.
Speaker 1: And shooting a man with no gun, no drugs in
Speaker 1: his system, what is your excuse for shooting him that
Speaker 1: many times? I mean you you chopped him down pretty much.
Speaker 1: That's man slaughters. They slaughtered that man man slaughtered. He
Speaker 1: was executed. That was execution. That's what they used to
Speaker 1: do back in the days. Tell you to a tree
Speaker 1: and just have target package that you had. That's what
Speaker 1: that was. Yeah, that's what it was for sure. And
Speaker 1: you know, James, me and you both have we both
Speaker 1: have fairly young sons, you know, right, we have young men.
Speaker 1: And um, I'm gonna tell you, and I'll be honest
Speaker 1: with you. My son is home from camp now, all right.
Speaker 1: He leaves back Monday, and I'll tell you I would
Speaker 1: be glad when he goes back because every time he's
Speaker 1: not at home, I'm scared. And I'm not scared because
Speaker 1: of something he goes. I'm scared because of the police
Speaker 1: and the number of many things that can happen him,
Speaker 1: because statistically he's a target. Well, I'm gonna tell you this.
Speaker 1: It don't only happen in California. These two cases we're
Speaker 1: talking about now didn't happen here. This is all across
Speaker 1: the goddamn world. This is all in the United States.
Speaker 1: This is this is happening everywhere. So no matter where
Speaker 1: he goes. It could be Pittsburgh, Denberg, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: You got this same ship going on everywhere. You know,
Speaker 1: we sit there and talk about it and then we
Speaker 1: complain about what we're gonna do. What we're gonna do.
Speaker 1: They're killing us. They're killing us. Man, First, we need
Speaker 1: to get together. Secondly, the second they need to stop.
Speaker 1: We kill each other more than anybody else has ever
Speaker 1: killed or killing, period. But we complain when it's the
Speaker 1: police doing it and all this other ship. We ain't
Speaker 1: complaining about gang violence and how many motherfuckers die just
Speaker 1: just this fourth of July, how many people would kill
Speaker 1: you know, it's crazy. Let's stop crying and holland wolfing
Speaker 1: ship and and stop the gang ship these killings out here,
Speaker 1: and then you can go and talk and say stop
Speaker 1: killing us, but we gotta stop doing it to ourselves first. Dog.
Speaker 1: People don't understand. Man, this ship is bigger and it's
Speaker 1: gonna get worser as as the years go by. Oh
Speaker 1: for sure. You know what. I see it, and I
Speaker 1: don't see it slowing down. You remember, we just we
Speaker 1: just had all of marching and stuff going on. We
Speaker 1: just had all this going on, this like a perpetual cycle.
Speaker 1: You did what I'm saying, it's the same stuff that
Speaker 1: keeps happening repeatedly. And the thing that really pisses me, Oh,
Speaker 1: changes that we have no respect for ourselves. If you
Speaker 1: look at you know, you look at all this stuff
Speaker 1: and I'm not you know, we're not big talking about
Speaker 1: people on this show, you know, mixing people's names. People
Speaker 1: are free to do what they want to do. But
Speaker 1: we have everybody online out man, you would think that
Speaker 1: this would be national headline news. You know, a man
Speaker 1: got shot in the wheelchair, shot that many times? Right?
Speaker 1: Um the stuff and O how you know the shooting
Speaker 1: in Ohio, the Akron Ohiwer shooting me as a national incident?
Speaker 1: Now is the worldwide incident? You know? Um, those guys
Speaker 1: are gonna go to jail. Those police officers are gonna
Speaker 1: get They're gonna get charged. I believe. I think they're
Speaker 1: gonna go to jail for this because there are too
Speaker 1: many people talking about this. There's too many people talking
Speaker 1: about this. The government is getting involved in everything else,
Speaker 1: U know. They said that. The legal team representing the
Speaker 1: family said, the medical Examines report confirms the violent and
Speaker 1: unnecessary use of force by the act and Police Department
Speaker 1: on an unarmed young man who is the family expected,
Speaker 1: was not under the influence of drugs and alcohol. He
Speaker 1: didn't have nothing his system James, and I don't think
Speaker 1: this man was running. I don't think he was running
Speaker 1: because you pulled him all over at the point. I
Speaker 1: think that's cap for them to say, oh, he was
Speaker 1: trying to evade the rest. But what It don't sound
Speaker 1: like the man had a record. It don't sound like
Speaker 1: he had no criminal record. He wasn't drinking, He wasn't
Speaker 1: he wasn't trump, They had no excuse. It sounds like
Speaker 1: this is just a thing. And I've told you change.
Speaker 1: Some of this stuff sounds really personal, even with this
Speaker 1: this boy on the highway. Yeah, it sounds personal. They
Speaker 1: mowed that key down, man, Yeah they did. They mowed
Speaker 1: him down. You know, I'll tell you this. It couldn't
Speaker 1: be my son, couldn't be my matphew, couldn't be remember
Speaker 1: mind without me losing my mind. That's a yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a different which called different conversation. But you know, just
Speaker 1: like with his family, they expect you to keep a
Speaker 1: level head. I would be fucked up because of the
Speaker 1: times how many times y'all shot him, just like the
Speaker 1: guy in the wheelchair. Did you have to shoot him
Speaker 1: nine times? He's in a wheelchair, and who gets shot
Speaker 1: forty something times? At some point you stop, you give up.
Speaker 1: You know what that means, James, That means they were
Speaker 1: all back there literally execute this man. That's like a
Speaker 1: firing squad. You got five or six cops just shooting
Speaker 1: next year, four or six times. Thank you. You's a
Speaker 1: fire squad. You ain't no ch'all was manson you ain't
Speaker 1: You ain't running for no murders or they gotta what's
Speaker 1: called him a chip that such and such was they
Speaker 1: behind him that he's known for carrying guns? I mean,
Speaker 1: what is the motive? What? What? What? Even if you
Speaker 1: got him pulled over at this point, at what point
Speaker 1: did you say, come on, let's just cap this motherfucker?
Speaker 1: Everybody shooting? What started? Well? I will say this, this
Speaker 1: is what they did find. A gunshot residue test was
Speaker 1: not performed on Walker. The middle of the medical examiner
Speaker 1: said the police accused him of firing what appeared to
Speaker 1: be a gunshot out of the window. Right. They did
Speaker 1: find a gun in his car later, but the police
Speaker 1: said he was not armed when he was killed. You
Speaker 1: you're allowed to have a gun in your car. That's
Speaker 1: his excuse right there. And they said that the tests
Speaker 1: were not conclusive as to whether the person deer that
Speaker 1: did not fire a weapon. So see that not conclusive.
Speaker 1: Ship is a dangerous word because more than likely he
Speaker 1: didn't fire the weaponcase he need to fire the weapon,
Speaker 1: they've been able to tell the listic tests, you know,
Speaker 1: specially right then it ain't too long after Yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 1: it would have still been on his hand fresh as
Speaker 1: a month. Yeah, so they didn't find no, so he
Speaker 1: didn't fire his gun, James, I'm a legal firearm on
Speaker 1: I own a gun legally, right. I can transport my
Speaker 1: gun in my car as long as I don't have
Speaker 1: as long as I don't have it loaded. If my
Speaker 1: gun is in the if my gun is in my
Speaker 1: trunk and my clippers in my box, yeah, I can
Speaker 1: ride a while I with my gun. I'm not a
Speaker 1: threat to nobody, what matter. If I'm not the flash,
Speaker 1: I'm not Superman. I can't go as simple as in
Speaker 1: two seconds and be ready for action. You can't do
Speaker 1: nothing if you got a gun in your trunk and
Speaker 1: the clipping your um driver. See, you asked out pretty
Speaker 1: much of something happening. But I've been in this situation
Speaker 1: a couple of shootings, and the first thing they do
Speaker 1: is put bags on my hands, over my hands, they
Speaker 1: cover my hands, put them in the bag, and and
Speaker 1: and tie the bag so they can do that chest
Speaker 1: so you don't try to rub it off or nothing
Speaker 1: like that. So if if if that man fired, is
Speaker 1: shot and they shot him, shot him dead, they're still
Speaker 1: supposed to put the bags on his hands just to
Speaker 1: secure that because that's evidence to make sure it ain't
Speaker 1: no blood. And I mean, they didn't do that. I
Speaker 1: don't know if they did or didn't do it, but
Speaker 1: that's one of the things that they do. I know
Speaker 1: they do that out of here. It might not be
Speaker 1: one of these procedures you know, across the world, but
Speaker 1: you know, it just don't make no sense for men
Speaker 1: to lose his life by the police shooting him for
Speaker 1: the sometimes well what they did was the United Nations
Speaker 1: is the involved now. The UN, the actually UN is
Speaker 1: involved now and they're investigating this. Um. These guys are
Speaker 1: gonna do to jail. They're gonna go to jail because
Speaker 1: you know what, this can't be ba this is too big.
Speaker 1: It can't be breasted up under the rug. Because one
Speaker 1: of the things I'm tired of is I'm seeing tired.
Speaker 1: I'm tired of people not being here accountable for what
Speaker 1: they do. Right, They need to go to jail. James.
Speaker 1: You know this family, I don't care if they get
Speaker 1: a trillion dollars. Money doesn't cure the loss of a
Speaker 1: young one. Can't brandy back, They can't bring it back.
Speaker 1: Those people are gonna be sucked up for a long time.
Speaker 1: Their lives will never be the same again. That's definitely
Speaker 1: one you that you never forget for these Sometimes that's
Speaker 1: man that's overkilled. And you know, unless you have some
Speaker 1: set it off. Queen the teeth of ship, get out
Speaker 1: with your OOSI blazing, man, I can see it. But
Speaker 1: if you ain't died with that pistol right there in
Speaker 1: your hand and they got you right there, ain't no
Speaker 1: sense of that. Ain't no sense of it. So but
Speaker 1: who with mine? You know what I'm saying? Six times? Man?
Speaker 1: Have you ever been shut up by the police? James? No, No,
Speaker 1: I didn't ran a lot. I didn't and and like
Speaker 1: I said, I've been I didn't have the bags put
Speaker 1: on my hands at least three times. And knowing this,
Speaker 1: they don't put guns on me many many times. Thank
Speaker 1: god they didn't shoot me. I haven't been shot. I
Speaker 1: have resisted a whole bunch of times. Reggie can tell
Speaker 1: you that, Um, you know, a bunch you had to
Speaker 1: put help them put me in the car one time
Speaker 1: in my house. You know, I just wouldn't go on
Speaker 1: fulk y'all. Huh he was cutting up. Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: on one and you know, our to thinking or feeling
Speaker 1: like they're gonna they're gonna do something to me. He
Speaker 1: hopped from the other side of the police car, off
Speaker 1: the passenger side, hopping the back seat and pulling me
Speaker 1: by my waist, my belt and help them bend me
Speaker 1: in the car. And I'm up right like motherfucker's I ain't.
Speaker 1: I ain't getting in this motherfucker and took me to jail.
Speaker 1: So I've been in that situation. The shares different stories.
Speaker 1: I'd have been slapped the ship out of I'd have
Speaker 1: been beat up with the stick, you know that, getting
Speaker 1: called three four o'clock in the morning out there nobody
Speaker 1: out there. We didn't have no phones where we were
Speaker 1: video on them. So pretty much everything they did to
Speaker 1: us back then, tempt to ask whoopen to keep it pushing.
Speaker 1: Ain't no filing and complain of none of that. Other
Speaker 1: bulls shit. So going into that substation and going back
Speaker 1: to the game module, I mean they as they whipped
Speaker 1: that ass when they wanted to, and it ain't that
Speaker 1: you can do about it, but accepted, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So two different stations, they had two different
Speaker 1: ways and handle their business doing what they had to do. Compton,
Speaker 1: I was more, It was more easier. I was more
Speaker 1: quick to kiss my motherfucking ass and come on the porch.
Speaker 1: I beat the ship out you opposed to telling the
Speaker 1: Shares that okay, we'renna catch you. And they catch you
Speaker 1: out there that midnight and they whipped that ass. Oh
Speaker 1: oh you ain't talking ship now? Well I came a man, cup,
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? Sh Shares is low key.
Speaker 1: The most violent ones will take your life, will take
Speaker 1: your life. Yeah, I told you about when they caught
Speaker 1: me and they caught me on Atlantic one time they
Speaker 1: caught you in Atlantic, man and tore my escalator up, man,
Speaker 1: tore my whole car up, toward the baby seat, off
Speaker 1: the back, toward my speakers, up, to all my stuff
Speaker 1: and told me have a good night, left for all
Speaker 1: the ground, said have a good night, and was laughing
Speaker 1: on the way out people, damn, And I'm man, I
Speaker 1: felt like a little hole, James asked, with your badge number.
Speaker 1: That's all I could do. I couldn't do nothing. I
Speaker 1: just got pumped and that's all it is. So I
Speaker 1: wouldn't look at it like like, I mean, they're the
Speaker 1: only ones that can do that to you. The average
Speaker 1: month bucker that walk up to you can't do that.
Speaker 1: Oh no, that's what I'm saying. You're pretty much getting pumped, right,
Speaker 1: So I mean you accept that ship just like every
Speaker 1: other monthucking. Any anybody else say that they didn't accept that,
Speaker 1: and it's don't let me rephrase that. It's a lot
Speaker 1: of cats that fought back or bought the police. But
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you ain't been to win.
Speaker 1: You ain't winning none of us. Oh no, if you
Speaker 1: you're fighting, losing better, Oh yeah all the time. So
Speaker 1: it's some cats like Compton Police, like myself that we're
Speaker 1: gonna have to fight. But when you're fucking with them,
Speaker 1: shares them, shares, wasn't playing them. Shares will let you
Speaker 1: go and kill your mother, it would you. You'll be
Speaker 1: you'll get caught off down new tracks and you don't
Speaker 1: have no I tell my sons. Right before my son
Speaker 1: started driving, James, I gave them all the same thing,
Speaker 1: all my kids, I gave the same speech. Right, you
Speaker 1: cannot win the battle with the police department, right or wrong.
Speaker 1: Shut the funk up, get your ticket and go home.
Speaker 1: Make it on if you get to be in combative
Speaker 1: and argument argumentative because see, I'm gonna tell you, I
Speaker 1: see white folks, because police the funk out, police the
Speaker 1: funk out. And it's the funniest ship in the world
Speaker 1: to me, Why the fund are you pulling me over?
Speaker 1: I have no do this hurry if I write me
Speaker 1: a fucking ticket, ball and ticket up. They talk all
Speaker 1: kinds of ship. They're getting them the thirds and everything else.
Speaker 1: If it's one of us, we get the Philly Club?
Speaker 1: Was he? White people are comfortable with white people. We
Speaker 1: we funked up when we sunk up bad is we
Speaker 1: complain at the wrong time in the wrong place. We
Speaker 1: were complained in the dark galley, opposed to complaining up
Speaker 1: under the light or in the daytime of whatever the
Speaker 1: case might be. Then how do you prepare your kids
Speaker 1: or situation? When the situation happens, all that ship go
Speaker 1: out the window. Man, I was talking listen to the police,
Speaker 1: or don't do this or don't do that. But as
Speaker 1: soon as you get or interact with the police, all
Speaker 1: of that ship is gone. It is totally different, because,
Speaker 1: like I was saying earlier, you might run into a
Speaker 1: good cop that say, I ain't here to violate. Ain't
Speaker 1: hearing this? Why you give me a hard time? Y'all?
Speaker 1: To y'all, all I want to do is go home
Speaker 1: to my family. Or you might get that one that
Speaker 1: just what the fuck is wrong with stupid fucker and
Speaker 1: that that's gonna say ship to piss you off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that's not it, James. This just happened right A
Speaker 1: mental health call turns into deadly police shooting of armed man.
Speaker 1: See he was armed. This guy was armed. Right here,
Speaker 1: a man was severely heard after being shot by Phoenix
Speaker 1: police on Tuesday, July nineteenth, the department says, following a
Speaker 1: call for a mental health crisis. The unidentified man died
Speaker 1: hours later. Police confirmed the shooting happened on July nineteenth
Speaker 1: near a hundred and eleventh Avenue and Camelback Road. This
Speaker 1: is in Arizona, when a man reportedly had a crisis
Speaker 1: at an impatient mental health facility get at home and
Speaker 1: was making suicidal threats. He says. The manager of the
Speaker 1: facility called the police, saying the man was making threats
Speaker 1: against staff and towards himself to jump out of a
Speaker 1: window and the cut himself. Officers are I have and
Speaker 1: begin talking with him, but then they say he pulled
Speaker 1: a knife out of his pocket and again getting close
Speaker 1: to them. He was told to stop and drop the
Speaker 1: knife several times, but he continued. One of the officers
Speaker 1: involved head used his taster towards the man, striking him
Speaker 1: o arbor. The taster was ineffective. The man continued advancing
Speaker 1: toward officers with the knife steal in his hand. Bober
Speaker 1: said it was at this point that the officer involved
Speaker 1: shooting took place. Medical aid was given to the man.
Speaker 1: He was taken to the hospital and critical condition and
Speaker 1: died not long after. The man hasn't been identified, but
Speaker 1: he is said to be a man in his early twenties.
Speaker 1: Barras says it appears two officers were directly involved in
Speaker 1: the shooting, one using the taster and the other using
Speaker 1: the gun. Crisis and Adventure Team officers and mobile crisis
Speaker 1: teams were called out to the scene, but the shooting
Speaker 1: took place before they got there the investigation zone. Going,
Speaker 1: this is another situation. You're two professional police officers, your professionals,
Speaker 1: you've been trained in situations like this. This is a
Speaker 1: man with a knife. Don't get me wrong. I me
Speaker 1: and you both know some dangerous individuals with knives, right,
Speaker 1: you know, I know some guys that got knives that
Speaker 1: don't took down people had guns before. So a knife
Speaker 1: is a dangerous thing. But did you have to shoot
Speaker 1: the kill You couldn't shoot him in his leg? How
Speaker 1: does the taste or not work? Like, I don't think
Speaker 1: these people. I think the gun is they first resort.
Speaker 1: Almost James and I'm not you know, I see both sides.
Speaker 1: I'm not expecting because you know a lot of people
Speaker 1: sit out there and say, oh, well he just had
Speaker 1: a knife. You could have took them down. But like
Speaker 1: I said, I know people that are dangerous with knives
Speaker 1: and and and and let's just be honest all across
Speaker 1: the board. Some situations that police get in, they don't
Speaker 1: have a choice. M Here, you got the man that's
Speaker 1: mental out of his mind and young and said probably
Speaker 1: could have did a lot of damage. He ain't understanding it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he don't. He all he sees what he sees. So
Speaker 1: you know, every situation, like I just told you, a justified.
Speaker 1: Some of them are justified. If you got a man
Speaker 1: coming at you know him, and you gotta piston and
Speaker 1: you keep bagging up and that man keep coming kicking
Speaker 1: you know who he's been aduced, I am not gonna
Speaker 1: hesitate out of blew him down to see. No, but
Speaker 1: a minute ago you said that they had to shoot
Speaker 1: the kills sometimes. Yeah, and see listening to you talk
Speaker 1: about this way, this one, they may not have had
Speaker 1: a choice, right, they may not have had a choice,
Speaker 1: because I'm thinking about like people I know in my family.
Speaker 1: I know some dangerous motherfucker's James Man, I got an
Speaker 1: uncle that it took people down with guns before James.
Speaker 1: If you shoure when he's get a hesitation, I don't
Speaker 1: see it, just that quick just being falling around everything else.
Speaker 1: You you you do you believe that police they are human? Right? Yeah,
Speaker 1: of course they they think like we think. Just because
Speaker 1: they got a badge don't mean that they ain't no
Speaker 1: pussies on the police force. That they all militant with
Speaker 1: the business and ready to uh m m a any
Speaker 1: motherfucker that comes they come across, ain't the case. You
Speaker 1: got a lot of wimp motherfucker's a lot of WIMPs.
Speaker 1: A lot of police officers become police officers because of
Speaker 1: the authority, because they can do this what people did
Speaker 1: to them. You know what I'm saying. They can bully
Speaker 1: you now opposed to being bullied, so they become police.
Speaker 1: You have a lot of police out there that that
Speaker 1: just ain't going to go for it. They got a
Speaker 1: complex out of this world. So it's this is crazy,
Speaker 1: and then it takes us into something different, something way
Speaker 1: for what we're talking about. So when police get out there,
Speaker 1: they're just as scared as anybody else, man, And that's
Speaker 1: why some of them pull the trigger so goddamn fast,
Speaker 1: because they're scared. Everything goes out of this out of
Speaker 1: their brain. They just like us, man. They get butterflies
Speaker 1: and they panic when they're in that situation. So all
Speaker 1: of them ain't gonna gonna don't react like like like
Speaker 1: a normal man would when they you know, some shit happened,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. They get in a situation, bam,
Speaker 1: they react the way they truly are, and some of
Speaker 1: them panic, Bro, they don't you know you got something
Speaker 1: out there that to take that stick off and that
Speaker 1: that that felt and fight your ass. You want to fight,
Speaker 1: I fight you. They some of them think a whole
Speaker 1: lot of them okay, So it ain't meant they're just
Speaker 1: like us. They're scared when motherfucker's walk out that door.
Speaker 1: They don't know if they're coming home because they're gonna
Speaker 1: run into a cat that ain't playing with them. And
Speaker 1: that's just gonna you. You could be cool and come
Speaker 1: and talking to somebody, the next thing you know, he
Speaker 1: pull out a pistol and blow your pucking brains out.
Speaker 1: So is they occupation dangerous? Yeah, But to get up
Speaker 1: in the morning with something on your mind already being
Speaker 1: piste off and bringing that to work such a job
Speaker 1: as their's, then that's where they sunk up at, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Then when you handle a situation
Speaker 1: and that situation go big, they you know, nine times
Speaker 1: out of ten, they ain't expecting that, and now they
Speaker 1: don't know how to act. They don't know how to
Speaker 1: react to that situation. So they just like us, man,
Speaker 1: they have the same feelings and emotions that that everybody
Speaker 1: else do. They just got the gun, the badge, and
Speaker 1: they think everybody is supposed to listen to them. But
Speaker 1: when you don't pay attention to him and don't listen
Speaker 1: to him, that's when you see. They used to be
Speaker 1: bullied because now they just get the job. Now they
Speaker 1: get careless with their job. Bro, That's all you have
Speaker 1: out here, and people have that dealt with the police everybody.
Speaker 1: I'm quite sure everybody would agree with me. They just
Speaker 1: they just do Yeah for real? What that third one
Speaker 1: was kind of fifty fifty with me because I'm still saying,
Speaker 1: if you're a police officer, James, you should be trained.
Speaker 1: I think we need more training, probably better training because
Speaker 1: you know this last one, you know, and things about
Speaker 1: the behind sight, this kind of thinking about you, man
Speaker 1: is crazy and he probably you know the person crazy.
Speaker 1: They they can you know, you can have a difficult
Speaker 1: situation on hand with a young like you said, the
Speaker 1: dude it's twenty years old. Young and fifth because I
Speaker 1: was looking at my son other day and I thought
Speaker 1: about it. I was talking to him, said I still
Speaker 1: your asked I thought about I said, this is motherfucking shape.
Speaker 1: I might have heard him if we get him to it,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Because he's just shafey young.
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna be to test it with him for
Speaker 1: no long time, So I mean that. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: just all it is, bro is. You know, you got
Speaker 1: a young cat. He's mentally killed and not think right,
Speaker 1: and it's just fucking And I noticed because I have
Speaker 1: an uncle, My uncle Rabbit is like like he can
Speaker 1: go from tyrial to a huney and don't wouldn't give
Speaker 1: a fuck, you know what I'm saying. When he wouldn't
Speaker 1: on his man's and all that tip you can't tell
Speaker 1: rab ship can't something else. Yeah, So, like I said,
Speaker 1: some sometimes it's justified, and you understand why they did it.
Speaker 1: They didn't have a choice, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So so we gotta look at it. What if we
Speaker 1: was in a position that the young man was in.
Speaker 1: Did he deserve to be shot that many times? No,
Speaker 1: regardless of what, uh, unless he running at them guns
Speaker 1: are blazing shoot back, because that's the first thing they
Speaker 1: want to say, Well, he did have a gun in
Speaker 1: the car, what he didn't shoot the gun? Having a
Speaker 1: gun don't mean they don't mean nothing. I don't mean
Speaker 1: the damn thing, especially if you're riding within the parameters
Speaker 1: of the law. You know. So Ever, dimly, man, nothing
Speaker 1: has changed too much. The police are still doing what
Speaker 1: they're doing. And I don't see I don't see this
Speaker 1: getting better no time soon. I don't see nothing changing.
Speaker 1: I think it's the same thing. You know. We get mad,
Speaker 1: we get upset, we march and tear up stuff, but
Speaker 1: then we're right back to the same thing. You know,
Speaker 1: a day later, somebody else is doing something well, basically
Speaker 1: the way that just say, like, if you're imprission, we
Speaker 1: find a way the light of match when they took
Speaker 1: distigrettes and matches, we found a way to get them
Speaker 1: cigarettes and to light them cigarettes. They're gonna find a
Speaker 1: way just to do it different so they don't get
Speaker 1: caught up with it. They find a way everything changes, Bro,
Speaker 1: and them knowing that the body cam and people taking
Speaker 1: pictures and people got their cameras out everywhere, they just
Speaker 1: gotta approach it different. But sometimes they don't think because
Speaker 1: when you're eating and got your mindset for something, it's
Speaker 1: gonna happen. That's real. And I'm telling you, man, they
Speaker 1: are no different from us. Bro. They think like we
Speaker 1: think they're no different from a gang member, some of them,
Speaker 1: the ones that out there like that. If they hate you,
Speaker 1: they hate you. If it's a gang like me, I
Speaker 1: talked ship, and because the police out all my fucking day,
Speaker 1: you didn't think them police said wait till we catch
Speaker 1: his motherfucking at and when that when I got cold slip,
Speaker 1: and I got cold slipped, and they whooped that adds
Speaker 1: but they didn't and and well I don't know how
Speaker 1: they did, because one time I declined, uh, total total graves.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to talk to him no more. So
Speaker 1: Greg said, what did you say? I said, I don't
Speaker 1: want to talk no more, and uh, that motherfucker hauled
Speaker 1: off and slapped and ship out of me. Now Greg
Speaker 1: was the least three fort big, motherfucking white boy. And
Speaker 1: they came from another somewhere else, another division to handle
Speaker 1: the game unit. And when that mother that motherfucker slapped
Speaker 1: the ship out of me, my eyes stayed watery for
Speaker 1: about two days. Two days this when they was doing
Speaker 1: first started cops and wanted us to do the cops
Speaker 1: around the neighborhood and and and and all that ship.
Speaker 1: This is when the first came out even on the
Speaker 1: jail bus. Even in the kind jail they send back
Speaker 1: chatting talking about you know, funk their vives and fuck
Speaker 1: they you know, got called cheating and whatever. They bring
Speaker 1: that ship to their job, man, like we would go
Speaker 1: at that. You know, I brought they want to funk,
Speaker 1: want to do something, and we arguing and called me cheating.
Speaker 1: I get up, through my clothes on and lead a house.
Speaker 1: I'm taking that argument outside with me. Now I'm fissed off.
Speaker 1: Now I'm ready to take my frustration out on somebody else.
Speaker 1: It's the same thing we have here every day. Everything
Speaker 1: that we do, it plays itself back, back and forth,
Speaker 1: over and over again. It's like rewinding the video tape
Speaker 1: for old school man. That's all you got here. Half
Speaker 1: of the situations they say they fix, why we didn't
Speaker 1: fix certain things when it doesn't happen so many multiple
Speaker 1: times the same way. The only thing I can think of, James,
Speaker 1: you know, I've been in Japan maybe six times right
Speaker 1: right now. They have guns in Japan. Don't get a twisted.
Speaker 1: They have guns in Japan. You know that they have
Speaker 1: access to guns, right, but the average beat police officer
Speaker 1: in Japan is not walking with a gun. They just
Speaker 1: gotta stick and taser and a couple other things, right,
Speaker 1: no gun violence, and they are very efficient. I've seen
Speaker 1: police officers in Japan take people down with no problem.
Speaker 1: Tell about people with nives, bottles, everything, you know, they
Speaker 1: took them down. I saw a girl take a guy down,
Speaker 1: a pretty nice sized dude down when I was out
Speaker 1: in Tokyo. She locked him up and did something some
Speaker 1: kind of marshall lost stuff, locked him up, he was
Speaker 1: on the ground. She put the cuffs on them. She
Speaker 1: didn't have a problem. Her male partner was there doing
Speaker 1: the paper work. He took them down like it was nothing.
Speaker 1: You know. So I think they're I think they may
Speaker 1: be better trained out there than we are here because
Speaker 1: they don't have guns. I know their hand in hand
Speaker 1: combat skill is a lot better. But you see the
Speaker 1: average cop out here, James the dude. A lot of
Speaker 1: these guys out of shape, A lot of you, man,
Speaker 1: what can you they are? They out of shape? You
Speaker 1: know you're figured you got you got a fifty sixty
Speaker 1: year old man, it's a cop, right. He run across
Speaker 1: the year old cat. That cat to go to the
Speaker 1: gym every morning, in shape, young, full of piston vinegar.
Speaker 1: He could whoop that ass. Y'all get him to it.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna have the stamina to billy ain't with him.
Speaker 1: You probably got good One minute after that woman is up,
Speaker 1: your must gonna start locking the phone. You're gonna start
Speaker 1: getting fatigued. And that's when he go get in that ass.
Speaker 1: But what training do they get to get on the
Speaker 1: and then they get on the force and get a
Speaker 1: police card. Uh pounds, two hundred and nine pounds, Big
Speaker 1: old fat men, fat women, big old fat white women.
Speaker 1: They can't do the job they supposed to. No, they're not.
Speaker 1: And that's what I'm telling you. It's a big difference. Name.
Speaker 1: Seeing those people in Japan, those police officers, they were
Speaker 1: very efficient at their jobs. They were nice to people.
Speaker 1: They weren't rude, but they meant business. I saw this
Speaker 1: man in Tokyo had a big knife, and I'm not
Speaker 1: talking about a little knife, James. He had a bone
Speaker 1: crushing that lady. The way she took him down, it
Speaker 1: was like she was strange. She was up, knife fell
Speaker 1: on the ground up next thing, you know, on the ground.
Speaker 1: Right when I was in what you called them, they
Speaker 1: didn't carry the police didn't carry guns either. And people
Speaker 1: are so different. People are so different. And the people,
Speaker 1: even when they got drunk and I raped, the police
Speaker 1: knew how to handle that. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It was some cash that we was hanging that I
Speaker 1: was hanging with out there. They never seen a gun,
Speaker 1: never own one. The way they lived and the way
Speaker 1: we live with something totally different. It's way different. And
Speaker 1: I don't know at this point that may be just
Speaker 1: a pipe dream to say that maybe we should disarm
Speaker 1: I police in America. We may have real problems then
Speaker 1: because you've always got the element of the streets. Oh hell,
Speaker 1: it's too late to do that, because too many people
Speaker 1: have done Yeah, too many people. And you know what,
Speaker 1: James and I keep saying this, It ain't the guns.
Speaker 1: It's the man behind the motherfucking gun. All the time.
Speaker 1: It's the man behind the gun. But we definitely go
Speaker 1: continue on this path. Man, I kind of want to
Speaker 1: keep talking about man police and police reform and what
Speaker 1: are we gonna do. Maybe we can come open some
Speaker 1: solutions on this show properly. Who knows well, I mean,
Speaker 1: if everybody listening to everybody's you know, and then paying
Speaker 1: attention to commentions like that, and it gets to a
Speaker 1: place where we can make change, then that's what we
Speaker 1: should do.