1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Tracy V. Wilson 3 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: and I'm Holly Fry. This was our latest installment of 4 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:26,240 Speaker 1: Unearthed All this week. Here is how this went. I 5 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: wanted to take time off around Christmas and New Year's, 6 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 1: so before leaving the office for Christmas and New Year's 7 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: I roughed out basically all of both parts of the episode, 8 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: and then the plan was to come back to work 9 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: on the first workday of the year, go through all 10 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: of my RSS feeders to pull out anything else that 11 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:53,599 Speaker 1: I thought should be added to the episode that had 12 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: happened in the last two weeks of the year, and 13 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: then read through everything and then send it to Holly. 14 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: And I think three or four things that made news 15 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: at the end of the very end of the year 16 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: that were added. The Victorian Shoes was one of the 17 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: things that was added. That was actually something that I 18 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: saw the headline of while I was out, and I 19 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: emailed myself an email that just said Victorian shoes as 20 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: the subject line and a link to the article as 21 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: the body of it. So I got all that finished 22 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: up and I sent it to Holly, and I thought 23 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: to myself, Boy, wasn't it nice that I didn't have 24 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: to have a lengthy exploration of all of the ways 25 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 1: that the federal government is attacking my profession? And then 26 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: I went, wait a minute, have I missed anything that 27 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: the federal government is doing to attack my profession? And 28 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: that is when I learned that, while I was out 29 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: of the office and not really looking at the news, 30 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: that letter had been sent to Lonnie Bunch about the 31 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: Smithsonian and the threats to withhold funding. And then, as 32 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: we said in the episode, the Corporation for Public Broadcasting 33 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: voting to dissolve itself happened literally hours after I sent 34 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: you the second version of the outline to add in 35 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: the thing about the Smithsonian. There also is ongoing stuff 36 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: involving the Department of Education and how history is taught 37 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: and I still don't feel equipped to talk about that knowledgeably. 38 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: But I was like, well, I was hoping. I mean, 39 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: there's a bajillion trillion things going on in the world. 40 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 1: We've said that over and over, but like the ones 41 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: that are specifically related to the field of history and 42 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: how we do our work continue to be attacked, basically 43 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,959 Speaker 1: attacked and undermined. I hate it. So that's how that's 44 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 1: going something. I don't know if you had anything to 45 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 1: add to that, Holly, I, Yeah, I was gonna make 46 00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 1: a smart Alligi coming go really cause I love it, 47 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: which I obviously don't, but obviously not. Something I didn't 48 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: put in here was all of the art heists that 49 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:11,239 Speaker 1: happened in the third quarter of or the third quarter. 50 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: There were just a lot of art heists and what 51 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: at the Louver, And I thought about having a whole 52 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: heist section and was like, that's not it's not exactly 53 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: what we usually talk about on on Earth. And then 54 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: I also was really not sure whether the number of 55 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: art heists was unusual or it was just the fact 56 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: that one of them was at the Louver and that 57 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: made everybody report on art heists for a little bit. 58 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: And I think it is more that there's a lot 59 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: of hot art heists happening all the time, and that's 60 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: from museums happening all the time, and that it wasn't 61 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: necessarily a particular spike late last year. It was just 62 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: they got reported a lot more late last year. Yeah, 63 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: this is another thing we did an entire season of 64 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: for Criminialia. Yeah, and I discovered you may know this already, 65 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: that there are a lot of people that are career 66 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: criminals that work in things like organized crime, that specifically 67 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: do art heists as a form of personal insurance. Wow, 68 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 1: because then if they get pinched for some other crime, 69 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 1: they can go, hey, you know that painting you've been 70 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: looking for for four years. I could tell you how 71 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: to get it back, but you have to let me 72 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 1: off these charges. Wow. And there's a lot of that 73 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,919 Speaker 1: that goes on in the criminal underworld. Yeah, that to 74 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: me was like fascinating, And I had a similar thing 75 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: of like there are art heists going on all the 76 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: time and it's not even about because I've always wondered 77 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 1: like who is the person that has stolen art in 78 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: their home that they're just like, yeah, as a painting 79 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: that somebody stole from me, Like you have to be 80 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: so careful about who enters your home at that point. Yeah. 81 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: But a lot of it is and I'm sure some 82 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: of those exist, but a lot of it is stuff 83 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 1: like that where it's like it is being stolen to 84 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 1: be used later for barter. Yeah. Yeah, fascinating. I feel 85 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: like we've talked on unearthed before about somebody that got 86 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: sent to prison for basically using art as money laundering. 87 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: Although this might have been something that I read about 88 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: and didn't put in the episode, but it was basically 89 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: about how the way the world of collecting and selling 90 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: art works makes it an easy an easy thing to 91 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: use to launder money. Yeah, because you can basically walk 92 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: into the art dealer and say, I inherited this from 93 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 1: my aunt, it's been in it's been in the family 94 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: for centuries, and then there's cover for this transaction of money. Basically, 95 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: so anyway, anyway, lots of heists, didn't really talk about them. 96 00:05:56,160 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 1: Something that affected a little bit research is that the 97 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: BBC has gone behind a paywall for I'm not I 98 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: think it's everyone outside of the UK, but I don't 99 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:13,679 Speaker 1: actually know for sure. But BBC News articles now behind 100 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: a paywall. So there are a number of articles that 101 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: I had bookmarked backed whenever they happened, and then when 102 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: I came back to them like now it's behind a paywall. 103 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 1: That included the Victorian shoes, so I had to go 104 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 1: find other Victorian shoe sources because I could not get 105 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 1: to the BBC article. Yes, I know that the publications 106 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: need to make money. That this is a reality of life. 107 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: I have various thoughts on whether paywalls are the best 108 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: way to do that, but they do absolutely become a 109 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: hindrance to these kinds of episodes, especially when there's some 110 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: kind of find that is not in the BBC. It's 111 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 1: in some small local paper. And the only way to 112 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: get that small local papers one article that's the only 113 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: coverage of it, yeah, is to subscribe to that paper 114 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 1: for a year. Like, that's just not something that we 115 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: can do. I do subscribe to various publications and also 116 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: some podcasts and podcast networks as a paying subscriber. I 117 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: recognize that it's important to support journalism, but like we 118 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: cannot do all of them, and not all of them 119 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: that we might need are available in like library resources 120 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: that we can have access to. Yeah, I do love 121 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: the Victorian Shoes is such an evocative thing to consider 122 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: that I'm like, someone needs to write a movie based 123 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: on this one thing. Yeah, it doesn't have to do 124 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: anything with the reality of how those shoes got there, 125 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: but there's a good story there. The last thing that 126 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: I did not include in the episode because it isn't 127 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: it's not really an update to anything that we've done 128 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: an episode on. It's an update to something that I 129 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: have said on the show, which is that we used 130 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: to get a lot of requests to do an episode 131 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: about the Dion quintuplets. Oh yeah, these were quintuplets have 132 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: a pretty upsetting life story involving being removed from their parents' 133 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: care and basically turned into an amusement park part attraction. 134 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: And when we were asked about that previously, my answer 135 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:43,199 Speaker 1: had been that two of them were still living and 136 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 1: they had made it really clear at that time that 137 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: they just wanted their privacy, and so it felt wrong 138 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: to do an episode about them when their whole life 139 00:08:55,240 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 1: story is about being absolutely stripped of their privacy and 140 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: they still they wanted privacy. It just it seemed wrong 141 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: to be like, well, we're going to do a podcast 142 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: on you anyway. Y. Yeah. It's like somebody going, I've 143 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 1: been exploited my whole life, and then somebody, yeah, you know, 144 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: we're not exploiting you, We're explaining how you were exploited. 145 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: It is it still feels really icky and are there 146 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: are a few topics that have a similar aspect like 147 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 1: that that are subjects that I've been reluctant to do 148 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:29,079 Speaker 1: because it's like, you know, this person's story involved them 149 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:32,959 Speaker 1: being gawked at without them having any control over it, 150 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 1: and I feel like the episode would be glawking further 151 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 1: and I just it feels bad in this particular context. 152 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: So long story short, it's not actually short at all. 153 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:48,439 Speaker 1: The last surviving Dion quintuplet, a net Dion, died on 154 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: December twenty fourth, twenty twenty five, at the age of 155 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: ninety one, and a couple of people sent articles about 156 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 1: this having happened. But this does not mean we're going 157 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: to do a Dion Quint's episode now, because it runs 158 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: into the same sort of thing that we have talked 159 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: about on the show not very long ago, that it 160 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: can be really hard to try to do an episode 161 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: about someone's life when they have just died. Some of 162 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: the complexities that can come up with that include surviving 163 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: family members who are fresh in their grief. Yeah, and 164 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:25,959 Speaker 1: for whatever reason, feel like the episode did not serve 165 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: their loved one well. That has happened on our show before, 166 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: was not a great experience, did not like going through 167 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: it for us, and felt bad that this person felt 168 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: like that we had hurt them with our episode. There's 169 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: also a period of time that needs to pass between 170 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: something happens and between when a person's life happens and 171 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: being able to look on that with an appropriate level 172 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:56,679 Speaker 1: of historical remove and context, and like that amount of 173 00:10:56,760 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: time has not passed when the someone just died last year. 174 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: So that is another thing that makes it complicated. Maybe 175 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 1: at some point, at some point in the future there 176 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: we may do an episode. Maybe not, I don't know, 177 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: but it is not on the immediate list right now. 178 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: If people are wondering now that the last survivor of 179 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: them has passed on, that did not it does not 180 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: mean that there is now deon quintuplets at the top 181 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:28,319 Speaker 1: of the episode to do list. No. Also, they've gotten 182 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: a lot of coverage anyway. Yeah, there's a lot, which 183 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: isn't to say that's always an excluder for other things 184 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 1: that we've talked about, but yeah, it we just feel 185 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: like piling on in a space where we don't need to. Yeah, 186 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: we're not going to offer up anything insightful that hasn't 187 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: been considered already. Yeah, there are definitely times where I'm like, 188 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: I don't feel like I have anything new to add 189 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 1: to this story. Yea, and this might be the case here. 190 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: So anyway, Holly, did you have anything else that you 191 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 1: wanted to talk about from unearthed animal burials? Oh? Yeah, 192 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: I'm fascinated by some of them, like the dog with 193 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: the dagger is great, also evocative imagery. Yeah, and it 194 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: just made me think about, you know, the way people 195 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: manage these things and how I always perhaps it's very 196 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 1: naval gaizy, but I always think about how things that 197 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: you know, we in the collective we I mean like 198 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: not me myself, but modern humans will be perceived down 199 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: the road, including things like you know, animal burials in 200 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: backyards and yeah, jars full of ashes and yeah, all 201 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 1: of the ways that people manage the passing of their 202 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:49,319 Speaker 1: beloved pets and their remains. It just makes you think 203 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: about all of these things. Yeah, the the macaques at 204 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: the animal cemetery that we talked about. Something that really 205 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: struck me was like how many burials there are at 206 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 1: the ceremony or at the cemetery. I don't know why 207 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: I said ceremony, but like that so many animals apparently 208 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: pets had been or maybe not, if not pets, like 209 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: animals that people were living around and felt like needed 210 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: to be buried in an animal cemetery, that there were 211 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: a lot of them. Yeah, it's fascinating. It's fascinating to me, 212 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: especially because those those animals, those macaques, were buried with 213 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: the kinds of things we associate with human burials in 214 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: some cases, which to me is just wild because it 215 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: not only says like this was a perhaps a beloved 216 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: pet or an animal that was very revered, even if 217 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: it wasn't maybe domesticated as a pet, but that the 218 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: people doing those burials are also thinking about the soul 219 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: and after life of that animal, right in a way 220 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: that we don't always associate happening. Yeah, which is just 221 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:54,439 Speaker 1: super fascinating to me. Yeah. Yeah, we had lots of 222 00:13:54,440 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: good animals. Cats in Asia, cats in China. Uh huh huh. Pets, 223 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: They're good, They're good. I also love I'm very fascinated 224 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,479 Speaker 1: by the Dictionary of Ancient Celtic. Yeah, I'm very fascinated 225 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: by that and the fact that when it's complete, it'll 226 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: only have about a thousand words in there, because that's 227 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: how many, Like a complete dictionary is still really limited 228 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: in how many examples of it there are. Yeah, I mean, 229 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: I I this is a silly perhaps a silly way 230 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: to consider it. But I was thinking, like, there are 231 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: fictional languages that have been come up with. Oh sure, 232 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: I said that awkwardly, for like entertainment things. Yeah, but 233 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: have more vocabulary available than that. Yeah, you know, if 234 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: you think about things like Klingon or hotties where people 235 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: love to talk about those fictional languages, there's a lot 236 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: more than there than we know about ancient Celtic. Right, Yeah, 237 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: it's just wild. Also, the Bayou Tapestry, it's gonna come 238 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: up again really soon. Yeah, really Yeah. I had a 239 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: thought where I was like, should I go see it? 240 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: Because oh, are you definitely going? Okay, great, I do 241 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: have a trip plans to the UK. It's planned in 242 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: that theoretically it's happening. I have concretely booked anything, but 243 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: it's too early. It won't be there, the exhibit won't 244 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: be happening yet, so I would need to make another trip. Yes. 245 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: When I discovered that was the case that the Bayue 246 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: Tapestry was going to be on loan, I immediately texted 247 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: two of my closest friends and said, like, let get 248 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: your calendars out, we're going to have a discuss it. Yeah, 249 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: when we went to Paris back in twenty eighteen, twenty nine, 250 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, I think we went to Paris. I went, 251 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: I saw the Unicorn tapestries. Yeah, I love them so much. Yeah, 252 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: I mean I I have. I always wanted to see 253 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: the Bayou tapestry, and it is by you is a 254 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: little bit removed, like it's a hike to get there 255 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: from Paris. So it's always been a little bit of 256 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 1: like a oh am, I gonna finally just bite the 257 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: bullet and like book a trip and make that happen. 258 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 1: And now it'll be like, well it's gonna be in London. 259 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: That's easier. Yeah, I'll go see the British Museum and 260 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: pay my respects to Mike the Cat. It'll be wonderful. 261 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: I want to just say, as a side note, as 262 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: a child, I never would have imagined myself as a 263 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: person that went to Europe really yet, Like that was 264 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: not a thing that was within our family's means mine either, 265 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 1: But I was very much like I'm gonna figure this out. 266 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: You guys are on your own. Yeah, kind of a 267 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: jerk way to look at it. I also developed a 268 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: fear of airplanes, something that I probably partially got from 269 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: my mom, who was very very open about the fact 270 00:16:57,400 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: that she was scared of airplanes. But then also I 271 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: told us story recently on the show about being told 272 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: about hijackers that might kill you when I was in 273 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: Sunday school and a child. That left an impression also, 274 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 1: So I did not travel anywhere by air until when 275 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: I was in college and I went to a conference 276 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: and I had a bad experience in a frightening way 277 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: on the way back from that trip and did not 278 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:23,959 Speaker 1: get on an airplane again for more than a decade. 279 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: And even then I traveled my air mostly for work. 280 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: And I still like the idea of going to Europe, 281 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 1: the idea of going to like a country on the 282 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: other side of the ocean, any of that was just 283 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: not something I ever imagined myself doing. So I just 284 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: wanted to say I am incredibly, profoundly grateful that this 285 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 1: show and listeners to our show enabled that in a 286 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: lot of ways. For me, Almost all of my trips, 287 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: with the exception the trip, with the exception of my honeymoon, 288 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 1: every trip that I have made outside of like North 289 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:06,239 Speaker 1: America and the Caribbean has been for the podcast. So 290 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 1: thank you everyone for you know, making that a possibility 291 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: in my life. Yeah, recognize a lot of people don't 292 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: get to do it. Most people don't get to do it. Yeah. 293 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 1: I feel very, very spoiled that I could text people 294 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:22,360 Speaker 1: and be like, when are we going? I don't care 295 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 1: what else we do. We'll do whatever she want in London, 296 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: but we're going for this all right, right, you know 297 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:31,439 Speaker 1: we'll get to you all. It'd be great, see friends, 298 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: It'll be cool. We will whatever is coming up on 299 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: people's weekends. I hope it is going as beautifully as possible. 300 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 1: We have started the new year now. I think a 301 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 1: lot of us were hoping that the new year might 302 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 1: be a little better than last year, and it's We 303 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:51,360 Speaker 1: instead had immediate chaos within days of the year opening. 304 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: So everybody hope everybody is hanging in there doing as 305 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 1: well as possible, and we will be back with a 306 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 1: Saturday Classic tomorrow and something brand new on Monday. Stuff 307 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: you Missed in History Class is a production of iHeartRadio. 308 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 309 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:18,119 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.