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Speaker 2: Vincent Goodwill, yahoo's Sports NBA writer, host of the Good
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Speaker 2: Serious XMNBA host, What the heck happened in Denver yesterday? Vincent?
Speaker 3: Before we began, that was the greatest song ever written
Speaker 3: that you were playing coming out there on the bump.
Speaker 3: Stevie Wonder's as just put me in a really, really
Speaker 3: good mood. What happened yesterday? Those that the NBA is
Speaker 3: very unpredictable, like you've seen more championship coaches fired in
Speaker 3: the short span than anybody, but this one is particularly
Speaker 3: I guess you could say bizarre. You were hearing over
Speaker 3: the past couple of months that Michael Malone was probably
Speaker 3: not going to be there after this year bearing something
Speaker 3: miraculous happening, bearing another championship run, and then after the
Speaker 3: y'all start break, it just seemed to accelerate. Like the
Speaker 3: way that the team had performed the losses had, you know,
Speaker 3: the defense, and honestly, some of the things that he
Speaker 3: said in the postgame press conference is kind of alluded
Speaker 3: to man, maybe he lost his voice with the team
Speaker 3: to some degree, and maybe that did happen. The total
Speaker 3: house cleaning was more shocking to me than Michael Malone,
Speaker 3: and even the timing of it, because now you don't
Speaker 3: have a chief basketball executive, you don't have a head coach,
Speaker 3: and you're walking into arguably maybe the playing tournament, depending
Speaker 3: on how these next few games shake out. Like, it's
Speaker 3: a lot of questions for what we consider to be
Speaker 3: one of the model franchises in the NBA, and we
Speaker 3: don't have a lot of answers as yet. I don't
Speaker 3: know if we're going to get the answers as clear
Speaker 3: beyond what we've been saying and writing over the past.
Speaker 2: They or so any chance Joker wasn't involved in this.
Speaker 3: I don't think he ordered the colde Red. I don't
Speaker 3: think he did the Colonel Jessup ordered the Code red
Speaker 3: and all that type of stuff. No, I think in
Speaker 3: the NBA, and you know this, like I know this,
Speaker 3: sometimes the star player is alerted and they have the
Speaker 3: opportunity to say, Hey, that's not happening. I'm going to
Speaker 3: the wall for my guy or whatever. That doesn't seem
Speaker 3: like Nicola Jokic and his type of personality, he's more
Speaker 3: or less the type that it seems like to me
Speaker 3: from a distance. I don't know him, well, I don't
Speaker 3: know many people who do. That's more or less like, Okay,
Speaker 3: that's what you want to do. Okay, fine, Like he's
Speaker 3: not going to step in front and obscure what an
Speaker 3: organization wants to do. And besides, he doesn't want to
Speaker 3: pick his head coach anyway. He just wants, I'm sure
Speaker 3: to be in a stable situation right now that looks
Speaker 3: like nothing but stable. Even though from what I understand Dan,
Speaker 3: the players do like David Adams. They do, they do
Speaker 3: have They have reacted positively to him throughout the season
Speaker 3: since he's been there.
Speaker 2: Do you make this move because you think it's going
Speaker 2: to give your team a little bit of a bump
Speaker 2: going into the I just I don't know how that
Speaker 2: works where you go, hey, look what we did. Now
Speaker 2: go out and try to win.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I there's a reason this is I'm presidented because
Speaker 3: it doesn't hurt, like there's a reason why. You know,
Speaker 3: the Miami Heat and you know some of the other
Speaker 3: model franchises they ride these waters out. But some coaches
Speaker 3: have different personalities too, and some coaches almost like from
Speaker 3: a certain tree of coaches. Almost they run very, very hot,
Speaker 3: and Michael Malone ran very hot. And one of the
Speaker 3: concerns that I knew from the front office and from
Speaker 3: people in the note was that, hey, is he holding
Speaker 3: the top guys accountable? Is he playing those top guys
Speaker 3: too many minutes? Almost tipsy in right, like Jamal Murray
Speaker 3: who has an ACL playing the career high minutes, nicolea
Speaker 3: Jokic career high minutes. The numbers look great, but you
Speaker 3: run the risk dan of that team wearing down throughout
Speaker 3: the course of a playoff run. Remember they wore down
Speaker 3: in the last two games of that playoff run against
Speaker 3: the Minnesota Timbulls. They had nothing left. Jamal Murray, his
Speaker 3: legs were white. Nikola Jokic looked wiped out. And if
Speaker 3: you're responding by playing those guys career hot minutes, ain't
Speaker 3: no joke. That's going to happen when you change the
Speaker 3: coach or when the coach is still there. It's almost
Speaker 3: like this is going to be another tired run if
Speaker 3: there is some type of runs. But it's really really
Speaker 3: bizarre that it happened with three games left in the season.
Speaker 3: Not bizarre that they fired Yeah.
Speaker 2: The problem I had with this team they win the title,
Speaker 2: I wanted to know they were going to lose bench players.
Speaker 2: I just don't think they restocked. And I called it
Speaker 2: malpractice because I said, this team won't win another title
Speaker 2: with Joker. You have the best player in the game,
Speaker 2: and I just don't think that you gave him. You know,
Speaker 2: that's why they're playing these minutes, because maybe Michael Malone
Speaker 2: didn't have confidence in that bench, and that leads us
Speaker 2: to this. Joker had a wonderful year. Murray is hurt.
Speaker 2: You're limping literally into the postseason. You don't have a coach,
Speaker 2: and you don't have a GM other than that. How
Speaker 2: was your season, Nuggets?
Speaker 3: How's the play? Missus? Lincoln Like, that's what this sounds like.
Speaker 3: But I understand this from this standpoint. They signed Michael
Speaker 3: Porter Junior, the third star, to a max contract under
Speaker 3: the old paradigm, under the old CBA, where you didn't
Speaker 3: have punitive luxury tax penalties and fewer mechanisms that you
Speaker 3: could actually improve your team. Most teams don't have three
Speaker 3: max salary guys, including a big time max salary guy
Speaker 3: in Yokish. No matter how good you are, it is
Speaker 3: really hard in the financial reality of today's NBA to
Speaker 3: have three max guys and to build a team around
Speaker 3: you have to hit on all of your draft picks.
Speaker 3: You have to have value signings, and they've done that. Actually,
Speaker 3: like Christian Brown is one of those guys who's the
Speaker 3: most improved player. Candidate like Calvin Booth actually restocked to
Speaker 3: some degree with value young players. Michael Malone didn't trust them,
Speaker 3: and subsequently, because you didn't trust them, you play your
Speaker 3: veterans more and you don't have any other resources.
Speaker 2: Luca last night getting tossed. Last five years, he leads
Speaker 2: the NBA in technicals with seventy three. I mean, you're
Speaker 2: not Draymond Green, You're not Rashid Wallace. Why does he.
Speaker 3: Why is he not Raceived Wallace? Why is he not
Speaker 3: Draymond Hungreen?
Speaker 2: Well, because sure he's one of the best players in
Speaker 2: the game, he shouldn't be Draymond Green and shouldn't be
Speaker 2: Rashid Wallace. Why is he?
Speaker 3: I mean, look, he's a child prodigy. Like I read
Speaker 3: his book not Shame with Pluck with my mantimic man
Speaker 3: the wonder Boy, But everything with him strikes out to
Speaker 3: me like a child prodigy and those child prodigies, they
Speaker 3: act out a lot. They act out at people around them,
Speaker 3: they act out at fans. Luka Doncic is a is
Speaker 3: a chirper. He has ways that he goes about it.
Speaker 3: I don't think people love it and like it. Oh no,
Speaker 3: That's one of the reasons that the Dallas not because
Speaker 3: they had a litany of reasons why they traded him.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I would have done it. They
Speaker 3: had a litany of reasons, and was one of them
Speaker 3: getting distracted And you don't remember the plays in the
Speaker 3: NBA Finals. He picked up his fifth file in the
Speaker 3: fourth quarter of Game three and a play he shouldn't have.
Speaker 3: He ordered the team to challenge it. It was a
Speaker 3: bad play. It was a bad challenge, and then a
Speaker 3: few minutes later he files out like it's these impulses
Speaker 3: in the moment. Now, granted, Dan, he was talking to
Speaker 3: a fan in that moment, but he had already drawn
Speaker 3: one technical file with that same official, thus eliminating benefit
Speaker 3: of the doubt. I feel like that's the theme in
Speaker 3: the NBA for the past couple of weeks with John
Speaker 3: Morant and now Luka Doncics. Some people don't have benefit
Speaker 3: of the doubt when you're when you've eliminated a lack
Speaker 3: of a good phrase. Goodwill?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 2: Speaking of which, Vincent Goodwill? Ya who's sports? NBA writer?
Speaker 2: Jos's got a new celebration now he tosses the grenade.
Speaker 3: Hey, look, man, look if he wants to go full rebel,
Speaker 3: look he's clearly going full rebel, full villain. And I
Speaker 3: find it hilarious Dan that the NBA they didn't suspend him,
Speaker 3: they didn't find him immediately. They told him, Hey, man,
Speaker 3: just don't do it again. And you want to know
Speaker 3: why they did that, Dan, Because they don't want to
Speaker 3: hurt him. They need him as a young face of
Speaker 3: the future. They just wanted him to stay on the
Speaker 3: floor a little bit longer, to get people used to
Speaker 3: seeing him again without associating him with the nonsense. And
Speaker 3: what is the first thing that he does. Twelve hours
Speaker 3: after receiving a warning, he goes out and besidold National TV.
Speaker 3: You're daring the league. You're daring Adam Silver, the most
Speaker 3: player progressive commissioner in the history of professional American sports.
Speaker 3: You're spinning on him. Okay, fine, go ahead, find you
Speaker 3: seventy five thousand dollars and people are still pissed off
Speaker 3: about that they didn't suspend them, Like, we have to
Speaker 3: be honest about this stuff. If he's gonna go full villain,
Speaker 3: go full villain, but then don't complain and say that
Speaker 3: everybody's against you.
Speaker 4: This is ridiculous.
Speaker 2: As long as he's not driving with one of his
Speaker 2: buds he's and he's actually got a live grenade, then
Speaker 2: I'm okay with this. But you're right now, all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, it's everybody's against Jaw. He didn't realize he
Speaker 2: created all of this. I don't think people he was
Speaker 2: a great feel good story, came out of nowhere, and
Speaker 2: all of a sudden you watch him and you go, damn,
Speaker 2: this is I mean, he should be one of those
Speaker 2: guys that we talk about with all of the greades
Speaker 2: of the game, and we don't. And I hope that
Speaker 2: there's somebody who can. They don't have that veteran leadership there.
Speaker 2: You just fired your coach. I don't know what role
Speaker 2: he played in that, but you know, you see these
Speaker 2: guys that they're in the embryonic stages of greatness Zion,
Speaker 2: and I just don't know. You got a lot of money.
Speaker 2: You're not you don't need to work for it anymore.
Speaker 2: And I just wonder if you know that's to the
Speaker 2: detriment of a lot of these younger players getting fifty
Speaker 2: million dollars by the time you're twenty five.
Speaker 3: It's it's a lot of pressure, it's a lot of expectation.
Speaker 3: I will say this for Job, I don't think from
Speaker 3: my reporting for my gathering, he had anything to do
Speaker 3: with the firing of Taylor Jenkins. Like so I won't
Speaker 3: put any I won't put that on him, just like
Speaker 3: I won't put Michael Malone on the Kola Jokic. I
Speaker 3: will say this man for the NBA, they want their
Speaker 3: next generation of young players and man Zion Victor Jock
Speaker 3: to take the mantle from the old guys. This is
Speaker 3: the league that depends heavier on stars, So you're going
Speaker 3: to give star treatment to stars. The model is there.
Speaker 3: Deth is going to play for twenty years, Lebron's gonna
Speaker 3: play for twenty years, Kevin Durrant's going to play for
Speaker 3: twenty years. They got all the money, all the fame.
Speaker 3: All they have to do is just hey, don't play
Speaker 3: with guns on Instagram, don't use laser pointers against the
Speaker 3: Indiana Pacers traveling party and a loading dock. Don't do
Speaker 3: dumb stuff. It's not that difficult. Nobody's asking you to
Speaker 3: be a model citizen. They're just saying, hey, go play basketball.
Speaker 3: Be enter handing, be electrifying. Just don't make it hard
Speaker 3: for yourself. Don't be job versus job. This ain't job
Speaker 3: versus the NBA. You want them to succeed. You want
Speaker 3: to succeed.
Speaker 2: Oh man, what kind of reception will the Mavericks give
Speaker 2: Luca tonight? What kind of reception should they give him?
Speaker 3: What type of reception will the Mavericks fans give the
Speaker 3: Mavericks tonight. This is going to be a wrong game
Speaker 3: in Dallas, That's what y'all this is going to be.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be a lot of Laker purple and gold
Speaker 3: in this building. I think he's going to, of course
Speaker 3: get the standing ovations. I'm sure there's going to be
Speaker 3: a tribute video, you know, given to them by the franchise.
Speaker 3: And if like he made five NBA first teams in
Speaker 3: his first six years, carry them to the NBA Finals
Speaker 3: in the Western Conference Finals, I think his relationship with
Speaker 3: the city of Dallas is stolid his relationship with the
Speaker 3: Dallas Mavericks is a different thing. So I am far
Speaker 3: more curious how the fans are going to react to
Speaker 3: the home team looking at the other side and seeing
Speaker 3: Anthony Davis and seeing Kyrie Irving. Like, I think it's
Speaker 3: going to be an electric, sometimes angry atmosphere because they're
Speaker 3: going to be treated to all the things they missed
Speaker 3: that Have you ever ran into an ex girlfriend and
Speaker 3: she looks finer than when she was with you? Have
Speaker 3: you ever seen that before?
Speaker 2: Yeah? The revenge body, Yeah.
Speaker 3: The revenge body. You know, Hey, some sometimes guys have
Speaker 3: revenge bodies. I mean, maybe not Luca, but you know,
Speaker 3: some people haven't venge bodies.
Speaker 2: I'm going to leave you with this. Are we giving
Speaker 2: the Oklahoma City Thunder enough credit for one of the
Speaker 2: greatest regular seasons of all time? They have? They have
Speaker 2: fifty one games where they won by at least ten
Speaker 2: points at least ten That's the all time record. Previous
Speaker 2: record was the nineteen seventy one seventy two Lakers, who
Speaker 2: won thirty three in a row. Golden State in twenty
Speaker 2: sixteen twenty seventeen Milwaukee Bucks with Kareem and Oscar seventy
Speaker 2: seventy one balls with Mike in ninety five and ninety six.
Speaker 2: Are we giving Okay, I know we're waiting for Well,
Speaker 2: let's see what happens to the postseason. Uh, that's it, right, yeah?
Speaker 3: I mean, for one, double digit wins is a proxy
Speaker 3: of the three point shot in the importance of it.
Speaker 3: Like when you talk about Kareings teams and the Lakers
Speaker 3: teams of the early seventies, they were doing that without
Speaker 3: the three point shots. So there's a little more I
Speaker 3: guess you could say equity that you can put into
Speaker 3: that being translatable to the playoffs. But we're trying to
Speaker 3: see if this franchise, that this team can finally get
Speaker 3: over the hump. And if you look at how they
Speaker 3: play against the Lakers the last their last two games,
Speaker 3: you could say, man, wet, we got some doubts here,
Speaker 3: like what does this team look like without shape gilgis
Speaker 3: Alexander performing like the MVP? Do you have a second
Speaker 3: guy that can take advantage of his matchup and create
Speaker 3: his own shot and make his own shot. I don't
Speaker 3: know if they're going to run through the Western Conference
Speaker 3: playoffs like they ran through the regular season. I wouldn't
Speaker 3: say I'd be surprised that they get to the finals,
Speaker 3: but I think there's a lot more competition in this
Speaker 3: blood back of a Western conference to get to the
Speaker 3: finals that I'll be impressed if they do so, more
Speaker 3: impressed than the winning by double digits and the highest
Speaker 3: net rating in NBA history and all other type of stuff,
Speaker 3: like they have to prove PUVID right now and the
Speaker 3: thing is done. Nobody's afraid of them.
Speaker 2: Great to talk to. You have fun tonight in Dallas,
Speaker 2: more Stevie Wonderdan Okay, can't go wrong at you mentioned
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Speaker 2: Master's Par three contest today. That'll be noon to four Eastern,
Speaker 2: and then live coverage first and second round of the Masters,
Speaker 2: a tradition unlike any other. But before we get to that,
Speaker 2: Scotty we're both nominated our show. You as a host,
Speaker 2: we're oh for five, you're oh for eight, So outstanding
Speaker 2: studio Host, oh for eight.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a lot.
Speaker 7: That's a lot of times to sit there until the
Speaker 7: very end, and it's a long evening, there's no food,
Speaker 7: the bitterness builds, and then they say Ernie Johnson or
Speaker 7: Mike Turrico. And there have been years where Ernie's not nominated,
Speaker 7: and then Mike wins, and then there's years when Mice
Speaker 7: not nominated and then Ernie wins. And this year, Dan
Speaker 7: they're both nominated. So we're going to just do the
Speaker 7: math and just put that nine in the right hand column.
Speaker 2: Pal Well, when I was nominated for a studio host,
Speaker 2: Bob Costas was always there.
Speaker 7: That was a tough one. I got nominated against him
Speaker 7: a couple of times early on.
Speaker 4: I didn't.
Speaker 7: I just looked at that sort of being like Abilene
Speaker 7: Christian against Texas. You know, I was probably getting thirty
Speaker 7: eight and a half on that board.
Speaker 2: Well, I always viewed ever I was Patrick Ewing in
Speaker 2: the Jordan era. I just I wasn't going to win.
Speaker 2: I was proud of myself and I would try to
Speaker 2: put up a good fight, but I would. I knew
Speaker 2: I was going to lose. I just didn't know in
Speaker 2: how many games.
Speaker 4: Here's the win for me. I'm out Augusta National.
Speaker 7: I'm going to have lunch with it that there's a
Speaker 7: member here that I've become friendly with.
Speaker 4: And we seem to eat lunch on the.
Speaker 7: Day that the nominations come out, and it's become kind
Speaker 7: of this running joke. He's like, you know you get
Speaker 7: the do you get the notification? And yesterday I said,
Speaker 7: you know what I did, And so I'm going to
Speaker 7: look at it as a win because I ate a
Speaker 7: grilled cheese and bacon sandwich at Augusta National on a
Speaker 7: perfectly sunny day at the Masters, Ernie Johnson didn't do that.
Speaker 4: Mike or Rico might have.
Speaker 7: Actually you share somewhere, but hey, listen, I mean it's
Speaker 7: it's listen.
Speaker 4: We could joke.
Speaker 7: And of course, I know you guys want to win,
Speaker 7: and you should. I hope you do someday because your
Speaker 7: show has been awesome for a long time. Of course
Speaker 7: you want to hear your name, but you make the cut.
Speaker 7: You make the cut. There's a hell of a lot
Speaker 7: of people to do what we do, so you do
Speaker 7: have to give yourself a little grace and say that's
Speaker 7: pretty cool, nice to see your name.
Speaker 4: And then you go to New York and then you lose.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I say this to the dan Ms and
Speaker 2: they haven't won before, but I say it. You just
Speaker 2: want to be relevant, you want to be nominated, you
Speaker 2: want to stay in the game, that's all. And we're
Speaker 2: a little show. We have twelve employees, including me, so
Speaker 2: you're going against big boys here. But that's why I said,
Speaker 2: you know what, one of these days, one of these
Speaker 2: days that before I retire, and I don't want to
Speaker 2: get a posthumous sports Emmy Scott. So you know, if
Speaker 2: you want to accept it for me, but I I'd
Speaker 2: rather not get one where they go, oh, we feel
Speaker 2: sorry for him.
Speaker 4: He had a good run, and then you get a
Speaker 4: lifetime achievement.
Speaker 2: I don't want that either. I don't want that.
Speaker 7: No lifetime, all right, So okay, Akada me take notes,
Speaker 7: no lifetime.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna break down Scott's chances, all right, Paulie.
Speaker 8: Yeah, we're talking to Vegas.
Speaker 2: Scotty.
Speaker 8: You're well deserving this, of course, needless to say. But
Speaker 8: you're up against Tarico Kate Scott of CBS, Ernie Johnson
Speaker 8: and Scott Hanson Scott Hansen's The Wild Car.
Speaker 2: New Guy, Little Quad Box, Youre Wiki Hour, Yeah, Fresh Space.
Speaker 8: Scott is entering though the Paul Newman Color Money episode,
Speaker 8: though where we've overlooked him.
Speaker 2: This is his turn.
Speaker 7: Paul can I, if I may interject years ago, Uh,
Speaker 7: the COVID year, I believe you had me as a
Speaker 7: lock because of the work we did on Yes, Uh,
Speaker 7: that was the one year I got real bitter. There
Speaker 7: was Yeah, we created content out of nothing, no one else,
Speaker 7: no one else was doing television, and we still didn't win.
Speaker 7: And if that wasn't enough, I just that was the
Speaker 7: one year I think I got better. I was like, well,
Speaker 7: the hell with it. There's just it's nothing I could
Speaker 7: do so Color of Money Maybe I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Scott, we were doing our show every day during COVID.
Speaker 4: Just let you thanks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you were you nominated, probably so we lost.
Speaker 4: Yeah, did Paul say you were a lock? Because Paul
Speaker 4: went on your show and.
Speaker 3: No, No.
Speaker 2: The only time I ever felt angry was when I
Speaker 2: had a guy who voted and he said, saw your tape,
Speaker 2: You're going to win. This thing and I go. So
Speaker 2: I'm there with my wife and god, dang, I I
Speaker 2: wanted to go Larry Bird where I get up and
Speaker 2: just put the finger up. I just won, and they
Speaker 2: get and the winner is and I went to get up.
Speaker 2: My wife grabs my arm as I get ready to
Speaker 2: get up, and they go and the winner is Bob Costas.
Speaker 2: And then I thought, well, I'm almost up. Do I
Speaker 2: stand and give him it? Because I was kind of
Speaker 2: caught in between. That's the only one where I go,
Speaker 2: You've got to be kidding me, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's you.
Speaker 7: We we occupy a tricky's plate, tricky space where you
Speaker 7: kind of what you're saying is you feel like you
Speaker 7: deserve to win as well.
Speaker 2: That's true. I did. I did, and I feel like
Speaker 2: we deserve to win this year.
Speaker 4: Good, I do say it.
Speaker 7: Speaking into new existence, I mean there's nights I'm driving home,
Speaker 7: I'm like, what other idiots out there doing this by
Speaker 7: themselves every night at midnight?
Speaker 4: Like no one who else is doing this?
Speaker 7: But then you're like, you know what, you're doing that
Speaker 7: because these guys have elevated beyond the need to do that.
Speaker 7: You're you're just some grinder out there. Keep your head down,
Speaker 7: keep boarding.
Speaker 2: H it's Scott. For fifteen years I was working second shift.
Speaker 4: It's again this I relate to you. I know this,
Speaker 4: I know this. I'm not saying.
Speaker 7: I'm not saying my pain's worse than your pain. Dan
Speaker 7: this We're not doing pain comparison here. Okay, this is interesting,
Speaker 7: by the way, to just us. No one else bitching
Speaker 7: about not winning an Emmy.
Speaker 2: You know that it's weird. We're talking to the Sports
Speaker 2: Emmy nominated Scott Van Pelt, who was no chance to winning.
Speaker 2: The number of people who have called in to complain
Speaker 2: about Brian Harmon taking forever to hit his shot. Okay,
Speaker 2: what are you know? Baseball's had a pitch clock forever
Speaker 2: and then they finally go, oh we got a pitch clock.
Speaker 2: Let you use it. Golf, you know they can put
Speaker 2: you on the clock, but you know, do we need
Speaker 2: a shot clock?
Speaker 7: I think I was part of the TGL launched this year,
Speaker 7: which for those that didn't see the Tomorrow Golf League,
Speaker 7: Tiger and Rory behind it. It's Sofi Center in Palm
Speaker 7: Beach Gardens indoor sort of just an enormous simulator.
Speaker 4: Was really I thought It was a cool thing. It
Speaker 4: was fun.
Speaker 7: They have a clock, you see it, and the one
Speaker 7: person that got a violation, I believe there was only
Speaker 7: one and it was Tiger, Which that's how you know
Speaker 7: it's real. They're gonna call a violation on him, then
Speaker 7: it's a real thing. But what you're dealing with is
Speaker 7: a big, giant clock that you can see that's right there,
Speaker 7: and when it goes off, there's really nothing to do
Speaker 7: but say, well, that's a penalty. In golf, it's outdoors.
Speaker 7: Do you have a rules official with each group? It's
Speaker 7: a bit vague, and Harmon is a good dude who
Speaker 7: I don't know if you've had him on the show,
Speaker 7: but he's like he's a he's a Georgia guy. He's
Speaker 7: a huge sports fan, and he knows that it takes
Speaker 7: too long and he doesn't want to take that long.
Speaker 7: It's just he's kind of got these ticks that he
Speaker 7: is pre shot that he's working through. But the bottom
Speaker 7: line is, yeah, golf would benefit greatly if there was
Speaker 7: sort of a clock that we knew when it started
Speaker 7: and when it hit zero, you get a warning and
Speaker 7: then you get a penalty. Because the game, the game
Speaker 7: does take a long time to get moving.
Speaker 2: Is there an innovation on the live tour that you
Speaker 2: could see the PGA Tour eventually adopting.
Speaker 7: Taking money from the Saudi front that taking the money,
Speaker 7: taking the forbidden money.
Speaker 4: They said, no, you can't take that money. Wait how much?
Speaker 4: That's the one.
Speaker 7: Yeah, But I mean in terms of just sort of
Speaker 7: like the shorts and the rock and roll and whatever
Speaker 7: else not, this not necessarily and that feels hopefully like
Speaker 7: we're I felt like the roads were gonna we're divergent,
Speaker 7: and now it feels like they're gonna intersect at some
Speaker 7: point because you just the game benefits when Ram and
Speaker 7: Deshambeau and Koepka, et cetera. Are playing with all the
Speaker 7: other guys on the PGA tour. You know, we see
Speaker 7: it this week, which is good. But that's that's the
Speaker 7: one in the innovation is just figure it out and
Speaker 7: let's let's get back together.
Speaker 2: But they have graphics now, they have too many graphics
Speaker 2: on the screen.
Speaker 7: It's kind of like PTI, but it's a PTI times
Speaker 7: a billion, right, Like there's the graphic presentation. I get
Speaker 7: what they're going for, but I'm with you. I think
Speaker 7: there's there's probably a sweet spot in the middle where
Speaker 7: it don't need to be that many, but maybe maybe
Speaker 7: more than when you typically have. I mean, I've done
Speaker 7: golf for thirty something years.
Speaker 4: It's not that long.
Speaker 7: Whatever it is, so there's only so much you can
Speaker 7: do with it, right, It's it's gonna take a while.
Speaker 7: You could show the wind direction, you could show the
Speaker 7: slope on the green, but I don't know, I don't
Speaker 7: know what.
Speaker 9: I don't know.
Speaker 7: If there's a first down line right like we got
Speaker 7: in football, people want shot tracer. If they don't see
Speaker 7: which direction is, I give up? Where's the where's the arrow?
Speaker 7: On the freaking screen?
Speaker 2: Historically? How good is Scottie Scheffler.
Speaker 7: Already on the short list because of what he's demonstrated here,
Speaker 7: that that and his ability to stack monster tournaments.
Speaker 2: Does he want to be a superstar? Does he? Or
Speaker 2: maybe not a superstar? Does he want to be a star?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 7: No, that and that's his That's his secret, sauce Dand
Speaker 7: I think is that he has maintained a similar humility
Speaker 7: to before everyone knew his name, and he keeps focusing
Speaker 7: on doing the same stuff. He's a He's a simple
Speaker 7: simple sounds like a knock. It's not it's a compliment.
Speaker 7: He's maintained a simple approach. He's really good at what
Speaker 7: he's really good at, and that's pretty much everything, and
Speaker 7: he has no desire to go to seek it, you know.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 7: I do think that the one thing you got to
Speaker 7: learn to live with. And I feel like you've seen
Speaker 7: him get a little bit more prickly with the media
Speaker 7: this year. I think he just doesn't suffer the nonsense well.
Speaker 7: And you got to just somehow trick yourself the way
Speaker 7: Tiger did that. I'm going to be asked a lot
Speaker 7: of the same stuff, a lot of it's probably going
Speaker 7: to feel mundane and dumb.
Speaker 4: And I've answered this before, but.
Speaker 7: You kind of have to just sort of do it
Speaker 7: again like you haven't done it before.
Speaker 4: That'll be the That'll be the interesting thing.
Speaker 7: Just learning to live with the day to day requests
Speaker 7: that come of that guy when you're that guy, when
Speaker 7: he's looking around, going this isn't that big a deal,
Speaker 7: you know, But that's that's that's really his secret, sauce.
Speaker 7: I truly believe that is that he is a superstar
Speaker 7: without with none of the trappings.
Speaker 2: But okay, you're talking about answering the questions over and over.
Speaker 2: You got Colin more Cowell who says, you know, it's
Speaker 2: not our obligation to talk to the media. Rory just
Speaker 2: echoed the same sentence, like, ware, where's this coming from
Speaker 2: that these guys don't feel I don't want to say indebted,
Speaker 2: but in partnership with the media covering their sport.
Speaker 7: I think Colin explained what happened at bay Hill where
Speaker 7: he came out and was ready for the questions or
Speaker 7: ready for the media person to be there, and no
Speaker 7: one was there, and then he went and signed for
Speaker 7: the folks that were there, autographs and there, and then
Speaker 7: by the time the person got there, he's like, look,
Speaker 7: I was here and I'm done. And I think there's
Speaker 7: a fine line. I thought a lot about this when
Speaker 7: it came to Rory last year. I said it, I
Speaker 7: believe you did as well about about Pinehurst and I
Speaker 7: Greg talked after it completely imploded here at Augusta. You
Speaker 7: remember it, standing in the trees at night down there,
Speaker 7: and he answered the questions and he smiled and he
Speaker 7: said the sun will come up tomorrow essentially, And I
Speaker 7: think I wanted to know in that moment.
Speaker 4: What happened.
Speaker 7: But then there's a human part of me where I
Speaker 7: think there's a little grace to be extended here. Like it,
Speaker 7: You know, if it were the NBA Finals, which you
Speaker 7: covered so well for so many years, there's that little
Speaker 7: grace period where they're in the locker room before they're
Speaker 7: going to come out, and sometimes you gotta wait for
Speaker 7: Lebron or Michael back in the day for a while.
Speaker 7: But if there was that cooling off period where we
Speaker 7: waited and it wasn't just you've got to go right
Speaker 7: on NBC and tell us you missed a two foot
Speaker 7: Putton and you lost the US hoop, And how do
Speaker 7: you feel like.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: I feel like if there were a little bit of grace,
Speaker 7: a little bit of a buffer zone which exists in
Speaker 7: the other sports, that might be beneficial.
Speaker 4: Does that make sense at all to you?
Speaker 2: You Well, Calvin Sampson waited an hour before he met
Speaker 2: with the media, I think after losing the national title gap.
Speaker 7: And that's based on what happened to his team on
Speaker 7: Monday night. That feels entirely reasonable to me, because if
Speaker 7: he were asked to speak walking off the floor, I
Speaker 7: can't imagine what he could have even uttered. I don't
Speaker 7: know how you could have gotten a word out after
Speaker 7: what happened, you know what I'm saying. And I look,
Speaker 7: we you and I are on the same lane here
Speaker 7: on the other side of the rope where I'm interested
Speaker 7: in that human emotion.
Speaker 4: That's why I enjoy the show I get to do.
Speaker 7: I get to talk to these people in the moments
Speaker 7: after high achievement, and you get to try to get
Speaker 7: the the feelings out of them. But I'm talking the winners,
Speaker 7: you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 7: I don't have the person that just lost in gutting
Speaker 7: fashion on the show, and like, how are you right now?
Speaker 2: You have to have that hushed, hushed tone and you.
Speaker 4: Got to take that very effective well, I mean, hey,
Speaker 4: how's it going? You do what you know? I mean?
Speaker 4: But I really do.
Speaker 7: I've thought a lot about this, particularly with Rory, because
Speaker 7: I think he is often as good as anyone in
Speaker 7: this sport and giving you the good stuff, And so
Speaker 7: how do we find the room to give them a
Speaker 7: little bit of time to allow them to decompress and
Speaker 7: if they want to go out and slam the truck
Speaker 7: and say I got nothing for you, we'll catch up
Speaker 7: down the road. That I mean, that's where I think
Speaker 7: it's fair to say, you know, if we gave you
Speaker 7: the space, it wouldn't it wasn't unreasonable to ask where
Speaker 7: you were.
Speaker 2: Who's got more scar tissue? Rory with what happened at
Speaker 2: Augusta or Jordan's Speith what happened at the twelfth when
Speaker 2: he lost to Danny Willett that year.
Speaker 7: It's different because what Speed has here is the knowledge
Speaker 7: that he gets to come back until he no longer
Speaker 7: wishes to because he's won. And what Rory has is
Speaker 7: the weight of knowing that this wreck, this represents the
Speaker 7: Holy Grail, this represents the conclusion of the Slam.
Speaker 4: So I think there's I think there's more weight on
Speaker 4: the shoulders of Rory.
Speaker 7: I don't think he's I don't think he's got the
Speaker 7: same Like when you get to twelve in your speed,
Speaker 7: I don't know how you ever forget what happened in
Speaker 7: that moment and you could say, well, Rory had the
Speaker 7: same thing happened on ten wasn't as gory, you know
Speaker 7: what I mean.
Speaker 4: But that's an interesting one.
Speaker 7: I just think for Speed, like he's he's unencumbered here
Speaker 7: of thinking, well, I got to I got to figure
Speaker 7: out how to win because I want to come back forever.
Speaker 7: You know, Greg Norman, Dan was gonna win here, had
Speaker 7: many chances, and then the sand in the hourglass runs out,
Speaker 7: and that's it. You don't get to come back anymore.
Speaker 7: And that's the thing about this place is the people
Speaker 7: that have had their moments have been so close. It's
Speaker 7: the kind of place you want to come back to forever.
Speaker 7: So I think the weight on Rory's shoulders is clearly heavier.
Speaker 7: I think the damage that was done on twelve. Only
Speaker 7: Jordan knows that.
Speaker 2: Great to talk to you, this is the year we
Speaker 2: celebrate together. Yeah it's not me. It's come on.
Speaker 7: If it's not me, I want to I want it
Speaker 7: to be you. But really, what I mean is I
Speaker 7: wanted to be last year. Last year. I mean, you'd
Speaker 7: probably have to go just tell me to shut up.
Speaker 7: But Tracy Wilson and I were talking because we were
Speaker 7: both in the same boat.
Speaker 4: I think she was over.
Speaker 7: Nine or O for eight, and We're like, I wanted
Speaker 7: to be you, and then she won and I'm.
Speaker 3: Like, oh, that's awesome.
Speaker 2: It's Tracy.
Speaker 7: And then in my brain I'm like, there's no way
Speaker 7: we're both going to win, and shit, just did.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 4: I really wanted to.
Speaker 2: Be me Dan, not you, Scott Van Pelt. Thank you,
Speaker 2: Scottie Well.
Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
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Speaker 2: Make way for Tim McMahon ESPN NBA Reporter and you
Speaker 2: can see his or listen to his podcast on The
Speaker 2: Hoop Collective, the band McMahon in the book The Wonder Boy,
Speaker 2: Luka Doncik and the Curse of Greatness. Good to see
Speaker 2: you again, Tim. What kind of reaction do you think
Speaker 2: Luca gets tonight?
Speaker 9: Howdy Dan, It is going to be a surreal night
Speaker 9: here in Dallas. And look, this is a heartbroken fan
Speaker 9: base to this day, certainly a lot of anger outrage
Speaker 9: in the wake of the trade that is starting to
Speaker 9: kind of turn into apathy. There will be nothing apathetic
Speaker 9: about the recept that Luca receives. And I this is
Speaker 9: going to be a fan base that felt the trade,
Speaker 9: by this trade, that is celebrating six and a half
Speaker 9: years of spectacular brilliance and mourning that it wasn't.
Speaker 2: Much much much longer than that.
Speaker 9: And then you know, the Mavericks as an organization, they're
Speaker 9: in this awkward.
Speaker 2: Spot, right. They dumped this dude.
Speaker 9: He didn't want out. He was closing on a house,
Speaker 9: his American forever home in Dallas, lost his earnest money,
Speaker 9: not that he can't afford it, but you know, this
Speaker 9: guy was locked in long term to Dallas, couldn't wait
Speaker 9: to sign the super Max contract. They dumped them in
Speaker 9: the middle of the night. They pretty much publicly shamed
Speaker 9: him on the way out. And now they've got to
Speaker 9: show some appreciation you like these Oh, these are these
Speaker 9: are classes should should soothe any hard feelings. These are
Speaker 9: the shirts on the seats tonight. I don't know how
Speaker 9: to pronounce that last word. There's you know, versyv. I
Speaker 9: don't know havala sah to say verse whatever. Thanks for
Speaker 9: everything in Slovenian should certainly soothe any hard feelings.
Speaker 3: It will be.
Speaker 9: I don't know how you say appreciated, pale and Slovenian.
Speaker 9: You know there will be a tribute video play, but like,
Speaker 9: let's just call it like we see it. This is
Speaker 9: going to be extraordinarily awkward because the only way that
Speaker 9: the matters could attempt to justify trading a generational talent
Speaker 9: as he approaches his prime was to dump on him,
Speaker 9: was to cite the conditioning concerns, the culture concerns, you know,
Speaker 9: all those sort of things which mass fans didn't want
Speaker 9: to hear. You know, Lucas certainly felt a certain way
Speaker 9: about it. And then you know, Luca last night said
Speaker 9: he doesn't know how he's going to react. He's going
Speaker 9: to be emotional. He's used to be in the enemy
Speaker 9: and arenas. He's used to kind of thriving off of
Speaker 9: that energy as we saw last night. He's used to
Speaker 9: kind of going back and forth with fans on the road.
Speaker 9: He's not used to an entire arena wrapping rotor you know,
Speaker 9: wrapping their arms around him and you know, kind of
Speaker 9: loving them up. And it'll be very interesting to see
Speaker 9: how he handles that.
Speaker 2: If Mark Cuban was still the majority owner, does this
Speaker 2: deal happen?
Speaker 9: Hell no, no, zero point zero percent chance. Cuban tried
Speaker 9: to talk Nico Harrison out of it, but Cuban got
Speaker 9: a i mean at five minute heads up, and there's this,
Speaker 9: you know, the equivalent of a handshake agreement on the deal.
Speaker 9: By the time Cuban got a heads up on it,
Speaker 9: but no when when Cuban lost Juice that made this
Speaker 9: trade a remote possibility. And look, man Mark Cuban as
Speaker 9: the essentially as the general manager of the Mavericks for
Speaker 9: you know, twenty some odd years, had plenty of personal
Speaker 9: missteps going When we can go back to Steve Nash,
Speaker 9: the Porzingis trade ended up being a dud in Dallas.
Speaker 9: They completely bungled the brunts and situation. You know, I
Speaker 9: could go on and on. One thing he got right
Speaker 9: was that Luka Doncic was the guy to take the
Speaker 9: torch from Dirk. Luka Doncic was the guy to build
Speaker 9: around and Cuban's strategy with Luca, you know, to just
Speaker 9: put a blunt, he was to kiss his butt and
Speaker 9: make sure he did everything possible to ensure that Luca
Speaker 9: was happy in Dalla's long term. And I think that's
Speaker 9: a reasonable strategy with this level of superstar. Luca's not
Speaker 9: the only superstar on League who gets his butt kissed
Speaker 9: on a regular basis. But they went from kissing his
Speaker 9: butt for six years to stabbing him in the back
Speaker 9: in year seven rush off of Finals appearance. There's no
Speaker 9: way that happens if Cuban's still in charge.
Speaker 2: You know, you speak about kind of enabling and kissing
Speaker 2: Luca's butt. You write the book The Wonder Boy The
Speaker 2: Curse of Greatness. We had Vincent Goodwill from Yahoo's Sports
Speaker 2: on last hour and he said, because I was asking
Speaker 2: about this behavior that Luca has, that he has seventy
Speaker 2: three technicals in the last five years, most of anybody
Speaker 2: in the NBA. And Vincent said, you know, he's been
Speaker 2: enabled his entire life, probably hasn't been told no and
Speaker 2: is used to getting his way. You were around him
Speaker 2: writing this book. Can you see any kind of relationship
Speaker 2: between how he's brought up and how he acts on
Speaker 2: the court.
Speaker 9: I mean, listen, a lot of superstars around the NBA
Speaker 9: are enabled, and Lucas flaws are as obvious as his talent.
Speaker 9: There's two main flaws. The conditioning concerns, which honestly is
Speaker 9: as much about diet as it is conditioning. You know,
Speaker 9: does the guy enjoy a post game Bruski or two skis? Yes,
Speaker 9: you know, his his postgame routine and sometimes a summer
Speaker 9: routine are way too similar to mine, which you can
Speaker 9: get away with as a sports writer, you can you know,
Speaker 9: and but you know what's crazy. I say, I was
Speaker 9: about to say, you can't get away with it as
Speaker 9: an NBA superstar, but he he's a five time first
Speaker 9: team All NBA selection who hasn't had his prime. You know,
Speaker 9: he's been to the finals. He took another completely different
Speaker 9: supporting cast of the conference finals. And that's part of it.
Speaker 9: Is like you could tell them, hey, LOOKI you got
Speaker 9: to change your approach. Lookie, you got to lay off
Speaker 9: the rests, you know, like the petulance is not helping you.
Speaker 9: But it's hard to say, dude, you've got to really
Speaker 9: change your ways when this dude was a legitimate MVP
Speaker 9: candidate before he could legally buy one of those beers
Speaker 9: in America. I mean, at the age of twenty, he
Speaker 9: was putting up historically dominant numbers his rookie year.
Speaker 2: He arrived and it.
Speaker 9: Was like he was an instant star and the ascension
Speaker 9: was quick, and it's hard to say, hey, what you're
Speaker 9: doing is not working when yeah, it was, I mean,
Speaker 9: it was it perfect. You know, could could he have
Speaker 9: been better? You could argue that, but it's hard to
Speaker 9: say his way didn't work when his accomplishments at the
Speaker 9: age of now twenty six stack up with the very
Speaker 9: best who have ever played in the league.
Speaker 2: Jim MCMAHONYESPNNBA reporter covering Luca's return to Dallas, the Lakers
Speaker 2: and the Man of seven thirty Eastern on the mother Ship,
Speaker 2: Mike Green, Doris Burke, Richard Jefferson will have the called
Speaker 2: in Tim's book, The Wonder Boy, Luca and the Curse
Speaker 2: of Greatness, now available online wherever books are. So we
Speaker 2: were shocked with Luca. We were shocked with what happened
Speaker 2: in Denver. Both are hard to explain. But with Denver
Speaker 2: at the end of the season, tell me what the
Speaker 2: logic is to do this right now, to fire your
Speaker 2: coach and GM.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and let's just be straight. Your shocked Luca was traded, period. Yeah,
Speaker 9: you're shocked that Malone was fired now, yes, with a
Speaker 9: few games left in the regular season. Like everybody, it
Speaker 9: was not a secret that there had been more than
Speaker 9: a cold war, like just you know, pretty much warfare
Speaker 9: between Michael Malone and Cavin Booth, and the anticipation was
Speaker 9: it's gonna be one or the other this summer. Well,
Speaker 9: Josh Cronkey, you know the face of the Nuggets ownership
Speaker 9: group basis on now, it's gonna be both of them now.
Speaker 9: And what I was told is his explanation internally, you know,
Speaker 9: as he's meeting with people in the Nuggets organization, was Hey,
Speaker 9: this was an unsustainable situation and it felt like, you know,
Speaker 9: the plane was crashing and the co pilots were so
Speaker 9: busy bickering at each other and making it about themselves,
Speaker 9: talking about Michael Malone and Calvin Booth that he just
Speaker 9: needed to, you know, get them both out of the equation.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 9: Just looking at it from my perspective, with Michael Malone,
Speaker 9: he's the most successful coaching Nuggets history, wins record, both
Speaker 9: regular season playoffs a title two years ago.
Speaker 2: I would have thought that would.
Speaker 9: Have earned him the right to have one last crack
Speaker 9: at a playoff run to try to save his job,
Speaker 9: but Josh Croncky decided, no, we need to get these
Speaker 9: guys out of the mix right now, and in his mind,
Speaker 9: that's the only way they were going to have a
Speaker 9: chance to salvage this season and put together a playoff run.
Speaker 2: Do you think Luca ends his career in Denver? Luca
Speaker 2: in Denver? I mean joke. Yeah, sorry, I mean to
Speaker 2: shock you. Listen, I've been shocked by Luca transactions before Joker.
Speaker 2: Do you think Joker ends his career in Denver?
Speaker 9: You know? So one thing I always try to be
Speaker 9: careful about is putting words in somebody's mouth or speaking
Speaker 9: on something that I haven't spoken directly to a person about.
Speaker 9: So with that clarification, what I would say is everything
Speaker 9: about Joker is indicated that he's kind of cut from
Speaker 9: that dirt cloth, you know, that that extreme loyalty. You know,
Speaker 9: like Dirky does have a championship, so it's not like
Speaker 9: he maybe will have to chase a ring somewhere else
Speaker 9: down the stretch of his career. So my guess would
Speaker 9: be that, yes, he is a Denver nugget from start
Speaker 9: to finish his career. But I mean, if that situation
Speaker 9: melts down in Denver and he looks around and it's
Speaker 9: you know, and he's playing on a mediocre team, I
Speaker 9: don't know, and you know what, maybe maybe he just says,
Speaker 9: to hell with it. I'm gonna go ride some ride
Speaker 9: my horses in Serbia.
Speaker 2: I'll give you ok c or the field in the West.
Speaker 9: I still take Oklahoma City and Look, man, the thunder
Speaker 9: are going to set the NBA record for the best
Speaker 9: point differential in a season. That's not nothing. Have they
Speaker 9: done it? Have they made a deep playoff run? Obviously not.
Speaker 9: But this is a team that gave the Mavericks a
Speaker 9: hell of a series last year. The cumutive score in
Speaker 9: that series was even, by the way dead even so,
Speaker 9: gave the Mavericks the best fight in the Western Conference,
Speaker 9: and then got significantly better bringing in Isaiah Hartenstein, bringing
Speaker 9: in Alix Caruso, two veteran role players Crusoe with championship
Speaker 9: experience that fit perfectly, and then internally, all their young
Speaker 9: guys got better, including the guy who's probably going to
Speaker 9: be the MVP of the league this year, Shay Gilders Alexander, who,
Speaker 9: by the way, was spectacular in the playoffs last year. Yeah,
Speaker 9: this dude is significantly better than it was last year's
Speaker 9: the as the MVP runner up, Jalen Williams first All
Speaker 9: Star appearents, you know, learn from a disappointing playoff run.
Speaker 9: So yes, I would take OKAC against the field in
Speaker 9: the Western Conference. Having said that, literally, from the one
Speaker 9: to eight series on, they're going to be facing quality competition.
Speaker 9: They're going to be in a fight every single playoff.
Speaker 2: Series, and that loss by Minnesota last night was mind
Speaker 2: boggling and costly. How do you I, I know they're
Speaker 2: a dangerous team, but they're dangerous to themselves as well.
Speaker 2: Tim no doubt, I don't understand that you blow a
Speaker 2: lead that big.
Speaker 9: Well, and the Timberwolve's biggest flaw by a country mile
Speaker 9: is they stink at closing games. They're a good comeback team,
Speaker 9: but protecting the.
Speaker 2: Lead, they're awful.
Speaker 9: And I think a big part of that is you
Speaker 9: have a young, ascending star and Anthony Edwards who is
Speaker 9: very much still learning on the job. A brilliant talent,
Speaker 9: a guy who you love to have is the foundation
Speaker 9: piece of your franchise, but twenty three years old, and
Speaker 9: you know he's not He's not like a Luca or
Speaker 9: a Lebron or a Joker in the sense of like
Speaker 9: just has this unbelievable natural feel. You know those guys
Speaker 9: who like Jimmy Hendricks, they pick up a guitar and
Speaker 9: they just feel it, they just know how to play it.
Speaker 9: Or Anthony Edwards is learning how to read sheet music.
Speaker 9: And sometimes it's like I don't want to see that crap.
Speaker 9: And you know his tendency is to lean into hero
Speaker 9: ball down the stretch games, and a lot of times
Speaker 9: that lows up in his face, in the timberwolve's face,
Speaker 9: and that's why there might be a seven seed or
Speaker 9: an eight seed instead of a two or three.
Speaker 2: Good to talk to you always, great good luck with
Speaker 2: the book. Thanks for joining us, Tim, appreciate you having me.
Speaker 2: That's Tim McMahon.