1 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King. 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:10,239 Speaker 1: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and 5 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: Bell Collective. Every episode, we recap reality television from the 6 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in 7 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or 8 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: scripted as well. 9 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 2: Oh, rain drops, listen. 10 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 1: I know a lot of you listen to the audio 11 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: podcast recaps between Alexis and I, but I think you 12 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: guys should also watch our YouTube because listen on my 13 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:48,840 Speaker 1: YouTube channel, I upload the video. 14 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 2: My girl Alexis is in full aluminum foil. 15 00:00:52,360 --> 00:01:00,279 Speaker 3: And Carlos Carlos. It's called Reality with the King for 16 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 3: one reason. It's Reality with the King, Okay, because if 17 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 3: we can only recap the finale in my foils, then 18 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 3: we gotta do it because we're not missing the finale. 19 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 3: Holy crap. Let's just say. But like people, you know, 20 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 3: you gotta like me with foils or without, okay, or 21 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 3: you can hate me. It's fine either way. 22 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 2: Listen. I like you, I love you. Oil or no foil. 23 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 1: We have to get into this episode, and alexis one 24 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: thing by you and I we absolutely reefed the us 25 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: honey to just run the gamut of trying to like 26 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: go step by step. 27 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 2: We just have to get right into it. This episode. 28 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: Left me emotionally drained, dazed, and confused. 29 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 2: And I don't even smoke marijuana. 30 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: I mean, let's just like tap right into it. So Gretchen, listen, 31 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 1: tear my Gretchen aside to make up chat GP gave 32 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: them a friendship contract, right, they try to have a 33 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: memorandum for slave like we're gonna move forward. And then 34 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: Gina decides at the group dinner to bring up the 35 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: fact that Gretchen has allegedly been liking all of these 36 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: polls in regards to the hatred towards the lgpt Q 37 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: plus community. And rightfully so Heather, who look, I know 38 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:28,959 Speaker 1: I giving Heather a hard time being a bad friend, 39 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:32,119 Speaker 1: but one thing's for certain, Heather is a great mom, 40 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: and that's one thing that we would. 41 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 2: Not take away from her. She's a great mother. 42 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: So these allegations of Gretchen liking these hateful tweets became 43 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: the topic of conversation and the moment Gretchen was faced 44 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: with it. Listen, you don't have to be producer. You 45 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: don't have to be a body language expert. 46 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 2: Bath on human nature. 47 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:06,519 Speaker 1: Sure, gret Chance reaction made me feel like she's guilty. 48 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: Alexis talking through your feelings about that. You know these 49 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 1: these these tweets Gretchen's response to it, and what do 50 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 1: you believe? 51 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I was so drained from it too, 52 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 3: And I think it's a good thing I wasn't filming 53 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 3: that scene with those ladies because if that had been 54 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 3: information that had been dropped on me, I think Heather 55 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 3: handled it with more poise than I would have handled 56 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 3: it because of my child being LGBTQ plus so I 57 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 3: I mean, I had so many gamuts of emotions running 58 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 3: through me, just like what you just described about this 59 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 3: whole episode. But first of all, I agree with you 60 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 3: on Gretchen's response, like I think people shut down like 61 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 3: that when they don't know how to get out of 62 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 3: the hole, like like she she didn't act like like 63 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 3: for I mean, I put myself in those shoes, and 64 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 3: it's like if some information was being that detrimental was 65 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 3: being mentioned about me or said about my character and 66 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 3: about who I am. I would have leapt up really 67 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 3: fast and been like, you guys, this is such bull cry. 68 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 3: I would have been on the phone with you know, 69 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 3: I don't know, my attorney trying to figure out how 70 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 3: why is this happening. I would ask all the people 71 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 3: I would know, like, how did this happen? If I 72 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 3: didn't do it? If I didn't do it. So her 73 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 3: non responsiveness or just calmness to it was almost like 74 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 3: a show for the camera, like, Okay, I'm not going 75 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 3: to get all riled, I'm going to be calm, col 76 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 3: and collected. So yeah, it was off. It was off 77 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 3: to me. But here's the thing, Spencer, and you know, 78 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 3: I'm Datelight MBC right and on dateline shows. This is 79 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 3: the only reason I kind of tell myself, maybe there's 80 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 3: more to this story. On Datelight EMBAC NBC, they always 81 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 3: have the they always talk about how people handle death differently, 82 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 3: like someone might cry and rant and rave when they 83 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 3: find out someone just died, someone might pass out, and 84 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 3: someone might just kind of go into shock or none. 85 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 3: So when I put my into those three categories, okay, 86 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 3: Gretchen kind of acted like she was just like a 87 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 3: little shocked. I think it was the more that went 88 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 3: on with the scene that made me feel like no, 89 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 3: because it should have set in by some point of that, 90 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 3: and it never set in with her, and she never 91 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 3: really had a reaction until the end when they're in 92 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 3: the van and she's screaming and acting like she's crying. 93 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 3: But Carlos, did you know, not one tear fell? She 94 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 3: was acting like, make this make sense, it's not me, 95 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 3: and it's like she was acting, well, there's not one tier. 96 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 3: So that also kind of took me for a loop 97 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 3: a little. 98 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 1: No, it took me for a loop a lot because 99 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 1: for me, it was sort of like if I'm being 100 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 1: accused of something Alexis Jansen that inherently I just do 101 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: not believe. 102 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 2: Right if someone said, Carlos. 103 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: You you know you're racist against you know, non black people, 104 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 1: blah blah blah, I'm would be like, that's a I 105 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: would literally say like, that's a motherfucking lie, Like I 106 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 1: would go crazy, like right, like the. 107 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 3: Word just came into my mouth for you. I knew 108 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 3: you were gonna say MF. I was like, Carlos King 109 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 3: would say, that's an any fing lie, because you know, 110 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 3: I cussed last episode. I'm not going to cuss this 111 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 3: episode because I promise. I mean, I knew those words 112 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:23,359 Speaker 3: were going to be your words. I knew that. 113 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: There's no way I'm not listen if I'm being accused 114 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: at a setting. 115 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 2: Let let's have a real conversation. 116 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 1: I'm not only in front of these of people who 117 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 1: I consider to be friends, not all of them, but 118 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: let's say five out of the six, right on top 119 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: of my reputation being on the line, because there's actual 120 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 1: there's actually cameras present. I saw Gretchen have more anger 121 00:06:56,320 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: towards Katie Janella than being accused of liking hateful tweets 122 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 1: towards my community. It doesn't make any sense she had 123 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: this horrific reaction about and. 124 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 2: Crying with tears. I might add with tears her okay, thank. 125 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: You with Lexus Jansen when Tamara confronted her in New 126 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: Orleans about saying that she was drugged by Tamra, I 127 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: never said it. I never said it. Katie's a liar. 128 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: I never said it. These women are saying you like 129 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: these tweets, Well, I just don't know. I will never 130 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: do such a thing. 131 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 2: It's not like it's not me, it's not me. 132 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 3: I mean, I would be screaming like I wanted to scream. 133 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 3: I was like, I was kind of putting myself in 134 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 3: Grutchen's shoes, and I'm like, if somebody was accusing me 135 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 3: of something that was so un just damaging and every 136 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 3: aspect of your life and your character and show it, 137 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 3: like I would be screaming and pleading and going, you guys, 138 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 3: to the bottom of it. I will, I promise you, 139 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 3: Like I don't know, I don't I got to figure 140 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 3: it out. I would be crying. I would be standing 141 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 3: on the table trying to get through to my girlfriends 142 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 3: like and and you know what's funny, Carlos is not 143 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 3: one of them believed her either. Not one of the 144 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 3: girls said, you know, guys, we should listen at the moment. 145 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 3: I mean, I know they did the next day in 146 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 3: the van leaving for the airport, but nobody said, okay, guys, 147 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 3: let's just we should give grutch On the benefit of 148 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 3: the doubt. They all were like, what the heck, and 149 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 3: why aren't you reacting? Like why aren't you frozen? And 150 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 3: then she has to go and coll Slade. 151 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 2: Which which which look look for me. I'm I'm I'm 152 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 2: sick of it. I'm sick of it. 153 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: I have never in my years of producing reality television 154 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: had a female cast member rely solely on their partner, husband, boyfriend, 155 00:08:55,080 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 1: benefactor telling them what to do in the situations amongst women. 156 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 2: I have never seen it. It's scary to. 157 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,959 Speaker 1: Watch, and I'm gonna go out on a limb and 158 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 1: say that she well, let me let me let me 159 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: get to your Before I get to that, let me 160 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: let me remind a little bit what you said too 161 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: about these women. 162 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 2: On having her back. 163 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 1: Even when Jen was like, look, you are this Christian 164 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: woman that you know bysically do you and have. 165 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 2: The cut her off? 166 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: And look, I felt that I would love to get 167 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: your pob because obviously you're a Christian and obviously you've 168 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: been very open about your faith. 169 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 2: I felt that Jin was trying to help Gretchen maybe. 170 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 3: Explain own that, own it. 171 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Alexis, I felt like she 172 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: was trying to but have a cut that her ass 173 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: off and said, no, bitch, we're not doing that. 174 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 2: Did you think Jen was trying to help her but 175 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 2: in the end and hurt her eventually? 176 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 3: Well, I think that I think Jen made a very 177 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 3: valid point because you know faith does it is your 178 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 3: it should be ever your whole, like like that is 179 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 3: the basis of who you are. Your faith right, something 180 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 3: bigger than you, that's what you believe. I know, there's 181 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 3: tons of religions out there. Yes, I am Christian. I 182 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 3: think Jen was trying to help her. I think she 183 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 3: was also saying, look, just own it. If this is 184 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 3: if this is what you thought, just own it because 185 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 3: you can. You can explain it to us and try 186 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 3: to make it make sense for us, but own it first. 187 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 3: And if it was your faith that puts you to 188 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 3: where you're saying, you know, hate or liking hate rhetoric, 189 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 3: then own it and let's let's move past it. Because 190 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 3: this is what the women don't want is to move 191 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 3: forward and lies because of like what just happened with 192 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 3: the whole beginning of the season with Katie. They don't 193 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:52,839 Speaker 3: want to move forward with lies. They want the truth 194 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 3: to be told and then let's move on with the 195 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 3: truth and sit in the truth and figure it out 196 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:01,719 Speaker 3: from there. So I think that Gretchen definitely could have 197 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 3: owned it at that moment. I think it was a 198 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 3: very valid point that maybe her faith is what you know, 199 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 3: I don't know what that word is. I'm trying to 200 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 3: think of right now. But helped her decides or made 201 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 3: her decide she wanted to like these Instagram accounts or 202 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 3: even follow them. That's the other point of this, Carlosa. 203 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 3: She was following them, not just liking something. It was 204 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 3: like she was following these accounts, which is brought up later, 205 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 3: you know, a little bit further down the scene. So yeah, 206 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 3: it's I wish that, you know, she would have just 207 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 3: owned it. I don't think she should have called her 208 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 3: fiance at the moment. I think that she should have 209 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 3: had a bigger reaction. So all of that, But at 210 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 3: the same time, I still felt really icky, didn't you like, 211 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 3: I still felt I kind of felt lot for her 212 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 3: almost because of it, but I and I felt it 213 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 3: felt icky. 214 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 2: No, No, it doesn't fault Ikey. 215 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: Listen, I'm gonna be completely honest. I didn't feel bad 216 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: for Gretchen at all, because I do believe she liked 217 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: those tweets. And we'll get we'll get to we'll get 218 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 1: to what happened afterwards. But before we get to that, 219 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: I know the audience is somewhat confused because we weren't 220 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:18,719 Speaker 1: able to really and fully see exactly what the the tweets. 221 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:19,199 Speaker 2: Were that she liked. 222 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:22,439 Speaker 1: So what I want to do as a journalist, Hey Portia, 223 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 1: is to at least allow my audience to understand what 224 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: she was being accused of, because there is a thread 225 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: that is on Twitter that Tama reposted that says, this 226 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: is a thread exposing Gretchen Rossi's problematic use racism, homophobia, transphobia, 227 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: COVID miss or COVID misinformation, anti abortion. 228 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 2: Stances and more so, these. 229 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 1: Are some of the things that Gretchen is a cues 230 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: of liking, whether it's abortion, homophobic post suggesting what we 231 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: talked about last week ho homosexuality is linked to pedophilia. 232 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 1: She allegedly liked that. She allegedly liked posts dating back 233 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: to sorts of things. 234 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 2: Now, what we. 235 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: Did learn when Gretchen called Slade once again, I thought 236 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: it was produced because in my opinion, I think Gretchen 237 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: gab s Lada heads up, texting how I'm going to 238 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: call you? This is what's going on. He was able 239 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: to sort of like defend her right. You don't have 240 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 1: to defend your stance. You know who you are. And 241 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, Tamra set of Gates Lur. 242 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: When you type in Tamra Gatesler, there's something comes up. 243 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: When you type in your name in Gates Blert, nothing 244 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: comes up. So look, that was Slade's way of defending 245 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: her sort of blase reaction to this. 246 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 3: By the way, by the way, how did Slade have 247 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 3: if if Gretchen really hadn't prepared him, how did producer 248 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 3: Slade have all of that information just ready to go. 249 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 3: Not like if my husband had just called me and said, Alexis, 250 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 3: you're not gonna believe that they just accused me of 251 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:18,839 Speaker 3: on camera. I'm gonna be like, oh my gosh, I'm 252 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 3: not gonna have this like a whole thing ready to 253 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 3: go for something you just found out about, your dumb 254 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 3: out of You're like, well them, like, don't even listen 255 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 3: to them. You know better than that. That's not who 256 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 3: we are. I'm not gonna have a laundry list of 257 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 3: Oh but do this and then you can google tamer 258 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 3: and see her name and do It's just it all 259 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 3: was very produced and very already there, you know what 260 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 3: I mean, Like the information was already there in Slade's pocket. 261 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 3: It wasn't He's not that fast on his feet. Okay, 262 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 3: he's not gonna think about the Gosler all of a 263 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 3: sudden when this all just came up and it's just 264 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 3: like thrown at him at like the our time zone different, 265 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 3: Like how who even knows what time of the day 266 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 3: it was for Slade that she just called him wakes 267 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 3: him up and it's like she's an Amsterdam. He's in 268 00:14:57,760 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 3: the United States. It's like, oh, honey, I just got 269 00:14:59,880 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 3: to to this. Oh well, let me go down my 270 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 3: let me know my rolodexive information I have about what 271 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 3: camer has done to me, and here go back to 272 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 3: the gay Sler. Okay, no, it doesn't happen that fast. 273 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 2: Laughing at my hair? 274 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 3: Are you laughing at this? 275 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 2: Okay, look now, the hairs everything, I'm laughing. I'm laughing 276 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 2: at the fact that you are so right. It's funny. 277 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 2: I've been thinking about the time. 278 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: Then, friends, like, I'm not prepared with the fucking time 279 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: difference of you calling me a boustle on a crisis 280 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: you're at and I have. 281 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 3: And I'm watching our kid, yes. 282 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 2: And I'm calm. He's calm too, and he's. 283 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: Ready to go with information, and so I'm like, this 284 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: shit is weird. To me, so after the ladies are 285 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: really trying to tell which you know what's so funny 286 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: to me? I felt that the rest of the girls, 287 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 1: and this is where bias is on a whole other 288 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: level when it comes to these women, they they were 289 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: pretty much trying to tell Gretchen how she should respond 290 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: and give her the benefit of a doubt. So even 291 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: when she tried to produce in a visceral reaction after 292 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: being iced out and not going to the band, which look, 293 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this, I'm gonna say this, and this 294 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: may not be popular, and I'm five with that because 295 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: I speak the truth. I did feel like, okay, the 296 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: same way I felt when Emily told Katie to get 297 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: the fuck out, and I'm like, who the fuck are you, 298 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: Emily Simpson. I did not like the fact that Gretchen 299 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: was not allowed on the car. I did feel like, 300 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: I don't like to see anyone being ice out. I 301 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: think at the end of the day, if if you 302 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: feel like, okay, you could have said. 303 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 2: This, then she's on the show and that's. 304 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: Not her fucking sprints van As Productions and Gauls is 305 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: showing you now when company's women, they do have this 306 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: weird sense of being empowered by icing out someone that 307 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 1: they feel like in the moment deserves it. 308 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 2: And I will give Gretchen that. 309 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 1: I did not like that, And I felt that Gretcha's 310 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: anger was only produced by herself because she was being 311 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: iced down. 312 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 3: And that's where she tried to produce tears even then, 313 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 3: And that was the moment the creative of her to 314 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 3: want to is because she was getting iced out and 315 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 3: she still couldn't get a tear to come out, so 316 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 3: she was It's just like she was really lost and 317 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 3: she needed more production from Slade. She needed Slade to 318 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 3: help her figure out what am I supposed to do 319 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 3: in this situation. But I agree with you, and that's 320 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 3: why when I said a few minutes ago, I do 321 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,880 Speaker 3: feel bad for Gretchen. I don't think it's right. Doing 322 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,199 Speaker 3: two wrongs don't make it right. So just because she 323 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:58,159 Speaker 3: messed up and is liking hate rhetoric doesn't mean that 324 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 3: the other women need to stoop down and then just 325 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 3: bully her or ice her out. I mean, I get 326 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 3: it that you're disgusted by it. I get it that 327 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 3: you need to have long conversations with her about this 328 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:07,919 Speaker 3: and figure it out. You can just give her the 329 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 3: silent treatment in the car. You don't need to do 330 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:12,719 Speaker 3: two wrongs to make a right. So that's where my 331 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 3: compassion does and empathy does come in for it, because 332 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,199 Speaker 3: almost every single one of those women have been iced 333 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 3: out at some point, including me season seven, okay, so 334 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 3: and last season. I mean at the reunion, I was 335 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:25,439 Speaker 3: iced out. They obviously did not have my back. I 336 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:28,360 Speaker 3: was completely on an island by myself. Doesn't feel good, 337 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 3: and so I don't. I don't condone that, no matter 338 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 3: what you know, like, but you know, moving forward with it, 339 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 3: it's it's I even didn't like Gretchen's replies in her 340 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 3: interview the confessionals, like, I still didn't even I didn't 341 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 3: even feel like she did herself justice. If she really 342 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 3: didn't do it, she didn't do herself any justice. 343 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: This is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King. 344 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: Let's get back into the show. I want to ask 345 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 1: you this too, So the next day this listen, I'm 346 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: trying so hard to really find the silver lighting in 347 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: some of these women's biased but I can't because it's biased. 348 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 2: I got angry. I'm just being honest with you, Alexis 349 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 2: I got angry. 350 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: You've been iceed out before, Tam has been iceed out, before, 351 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,679 Speaker 1: Noel has been iced out, before, Katie Janella has been 352 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 1: iced out. So all of a sudden, the ladies go 353 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: to sleep, they wake up and now they feel super 354 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: bad about what happened to Gretchen. And now they have 355 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 1: a moral compass, not the compass that's taken up back 356 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,880 Speaker 1: to the airport, but a compass of morality because they 357 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 1: feel like, well, you know, look when Gina said, I 358 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: just feel bad because you can't destroy someone's life, are 359 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: you fucking kidding me? You destroyed Katie Janella's life. She 360 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: is not been allowed to film with you, ladies. 361 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 2: You that's that's what. 362 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 1: So all of a sudden you feel that way. And 363 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: then to say I would hate Heather. I wouldn't hate 364 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 1: to accuse someone of something that isn't true. Excuse me 365 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 1: because Alexis walked it too. If you followed these accounts 366 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: and you don't see that someone didn't like them a 367 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 1: year ago, I believe, in my opinion. 368 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 2: Allegedly that Regretchen was back on the show. 369 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: You can unlike some things because things come, things are 370 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:39,919 Speaker 1: on earth. But it was the fact that these women 371 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 1: are so fucking filled with contradictions that it makes it 372 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 1: hard to enjoy these ladies as much as I. 373 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 2: Want to. 374 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: I I was ready to throw my my laptop down 375 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: the ground and just and just numb all over it 376 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: because I can't take the bab I just can't take it. 377 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 2: Katie didn't never deserve the same grace, y, I go ahead. 378 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 3: Yes, and and and by the way, Carlos, what Katie 379 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 3: Jella is being accused of is one, I mean, a 380 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 3: speck of grant a sand compared to what Gretchen just 381 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 3: got accused of. Okay, but they all of a sudden 382 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:20,679 Speaker 3: had a change of heart, like you said when they 383 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 3: went to bed that night, like like what sparked this sudden? Oh, 384 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 3: let's give her some compassion because she sure didn't do 385 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 3: it herself any justice and trying to explain to them 386 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 3: why or how or what or that she would, you know, 387 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 3: defend herself and by any spread of the word, I mean, 388 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:39,640 Speaker 3: it's just like I I was very baffled by that. 389 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 3: The women seem very fickle, I think is the words 390 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,360 Speaker 3: you're looking for. They were very fickle with the situation 391 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 3: because they were flip flopping back and forth, and everyone 392 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 3: just needs to have a stance and take that stance. 393 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 3: I mean, that's what the bottom line is. Just take 394 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 3: have a stance and and make Gretchen prove otherwise, like 395 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 3: if she didn't do it, make her prove it. Okay, 396 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,199 Speaker 3: which we're going to get to that phone call that 397 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 3: we heard the girl. I don't know if you want 398 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 3: to speed up to there, but any girl that's a 399 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 3: whole go oh oh, you're gonna let me. You're gonna 400 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 3: let me go first, because I don't know if you're 401 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:19,199 Speaker 3: gonna agree with me or not, Carlos, But you know, 402 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 3: I don't really give a care if anyone agrees, if 403 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 3: you or not. My opinion and guess what and Tamera's words, 404 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 3: it's my opinion yet Okay, it's my opinion. Okay that 405 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 3: phone call. First of all, it was a muffled voice. 406 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 3: How do you why if someone's coming forth with valuable 407 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:41,120 Speaker 3: information that is one hundred percent true, are you muffling 408 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 3: a voice? Secondly, I rewound it probably five times. The 409 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 3: way some of the words came out, it sounded to 410 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 3: me like Slade, please forgive me everyone if you just 411 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 3: think I'm jumping to that, But it did to me, okay, 412 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 3: And the other part that really caught my attention, I'm like, 413 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 3: what the hell this is? So it's so scripted, and 414 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 3: it's so like, none of it makes sense. It doesn't 415 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 3: make sense. Why did Gina say at that one point 416 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,959 Speaker 3: there was some point where she goes, oh wait, does 417 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 3: the couse back up? Why is this person who's got 418 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:18,919 Speaker 3: all this knowledge that any housewife, husband, boyfriend, fiance, sister, mother, daughter, 419 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 3: kid could know. Because they're filming a reality show and 420 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 3: there's seven or eight women, and all of those women 421 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 3: have an entire family that know everything that go on 422 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 3: during the field trips and the places that these women go. 423 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 3: That is information that is not so oh my goodness, 424 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 3: it's just facts from if you're a friend of a fan, 425 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,159 Speaker 3: Like if I was feeling, Johnny knew everything I was 426 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 3: doing all day long? So did my kids? I come home, 427 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 3: I'd vent to my kids. And I have adult kids, obviously, 428 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 3: you know every single one of those women have people 429 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 3: in their circle that know where they are, what transpired, 430 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 3: and and you know so and if Tampa had done this, 431 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 3: This is the other point that really got me. And 432 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 3: I know Tammer's my friend, and I don't I don't 433 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,199 Speaker 3: want to sound like, oh, it's Tammer's all this and 434 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 3: all that. She's not. Okay, she's a human and she 435 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 3: could f up to But the other part is why, 436 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:09,159 Speaker 3: if tamer really did do all this that this phony 437 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 3: caller said she did, why wasn't information leaked earlier? Why 438 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,239 Speaker 3: is it all of a sudden now there's just so 439 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 3: much that didn't make sense. Carlos, you know, it's the 440 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 3: phoniest thing I've ever heard. I hope America feels that 441 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 3: and they're not sitting there buying it, because I give 442 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:28,120 Speaker 3: America credit and I think they are smarter, you know, smart, 443 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 3: So I just hope they don't buy it. But I 444 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 3: wanted to hear your opinion, and I thought you might 445 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 3: argue with me or disagree. I don't know, So. 446 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 2: You go now, yeah, yeah, okay, going, I agree with you. 447 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: Look, I said it once, I said it twice, I 448 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: said it three times. Here's the fourth Tamra, Judge. These 449 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: ladies are not your friends. They don't like you. They 450 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: actually woke up the next morning feeling bad, Regretchen and 451 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:57,880 Speaker 1: turns around on you saying, well, we thought about it. 452 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 2: If you have this information for over a year or two. 453 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:01,120 Speaker 2: Why bring it. 454 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: Up unless these ladies have never been on reality TV 455 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: for the past couple of seasons. 456 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 2: They all know that. 457 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:15,199 Speaker 1: Listen, I'm gonna say two things that are true. Ninety 458 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,439 Speaker 1: of reality stars talk to bloggers, and it is what 459 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: it is. 460 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 2: And listen. But but be clear what I'm saying. I'm 461 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 2: just saying they give bloggers information. That's a very different thing. 462 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 1: They do talk to bloggers, right, it is what it is, 463 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: news flash. 464 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 2: They all do. 465 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 3: Now, well I don't. I don't, so I don't. I 466 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 3: don't agree with the nine nine. Maybe it's I don't 467 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 3: think I will say hi to the bloggers on the 468 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 3: red carpet or when we're out or when I see somebody. 469 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 3: And then they're like, oh, we have a lot of 470 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,919 Speaker 3: bloggers don't admit, by the way, what their blogs are 471 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,640 Speaker 3: because they know they bullshit talk. Oh gosh, they talk 472 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 3: bad about you behind your back on some episodes, and 473 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 3: then they they don't really want you to know that 474 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 3: I'm Eric and I run the Real Housewives, you know, 475 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 3: two to two blogside or whatever, you know what I mean. 476 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 3: They don't want to be told. They don't want anyone 477 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,199 Speaker 3: to know. But when you do meet one or two 478 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 3: of them. I do say hi to them, but I 479 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 3: don't talk to bloggers, so I don't know. I'm confused 480 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:09,640 Speaker 3: and perplexed by all that. 481 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 1: Well, no, and the thing is this, I said ninety 482 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,120 Speaker 1: nine percent, you're part of the one percent tile out 483 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: of because the thing is this selecxis there are I 484 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: believe the number is four hundred housewives, whether past present 485 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: like so okay, which is which is crazy because a lot, 486 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:28,880 Speaker 1: it's a lot. 487 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 2: So that's number one. 488 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 4: Now flip this on camera, and let's be clear, is 489 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 4: not in a sense, in the sense of not doing things. 490 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 2: That I disagreed with. I keep saying over over again, 491 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 2: rain drops the way she. 492 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 1: Was talking to Shannon last season or the season before 493 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,400 Speaker 1: I got what it was the last season. 494 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 2: On this podcast that I hated her, calling her drunk. 495 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: I told Sherb personally, I think this does look good 496 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 1: for you. I can't defend this in the worst of 497 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: Kyle Richards, this is indefensible. I can't defend this, and 498 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 1: she understood, but she had a reason that that's fine. 499 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: I don't think at all that Tamar Judge orchestrated this, 500 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: this smear campaign against Gretchen, I thank you guys. I 501 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: hope you guys are smart enough to understand. Why is 502 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 1: it be convenience that a week after okay, a week 503 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: after they filmed, all of a sudden, Gina gets DMS 504 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 1: from people, Emily gets DMS from somebody, and they're alleging 505 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 1: that this person has DM them before. If that's the case, 506 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 1: show me the receipts, show me the receipts. Let me 507 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 1: let me see data back in twenty twenty three, twenty 508 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: twenty four, that this person allegedly DMG. 509 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,360 Speaker 2: But you mean to tell me you want Carlos King 510 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,360 Speaker 2: and Alexis Janssen. 511 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 1: To believe that a week after filming, this random person. 512 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 2: Decided to have a moral compass and spill all the 513 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 2: tamer's tea. 514 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 1: Why would he wait until she was quote unquote exposed. 515 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,440 Speaker 1: Why not do it throughout the whole season? Why not 516 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: do it after the episode airs? It was fake, It 517 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: was phony. It's sounded like Slade. I'm not saying it 518 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 1: was Slade, it did sound like him. It was muffled. 519 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,439 Speaker 1: I don't know why I was muffoled, Because when you 520 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,479 Speaker 1: are recording a conversation, that person has to sign an 521 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 1: appearance release so. 522 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 2: You can use their likeness and do with the what 523 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 2: you may. 524 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 1: It goes to show you that I believe this was 525 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 1: orchestrated by Grishna, Slade and Tamer to me, is innocent 526 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: in this in this. 527 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 3: Wait a second, you just confused. Man. I am a 528 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 3: smart person. Okay, I know, I don't know it sounds 529 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 3: smart on national television, but I have a brain. Wait 530 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 3: you're okay, so are you? Wait? This was This is 531 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 3: a light bulb moment for me. So you're right. Because 532 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 3: for them to be able to use that recording of 533 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 3: a muffled voice as a producer, I'm asking you this 534 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 3: that the show had to have that person sign off 535 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 3: to be on national television. 536 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 1: Correct. 537 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:27,479 Speaker 2: Yes, the girls couldn't. 538 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 3: What I'm saying is what I'm asking is Gina could 539 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 3: not have just played that unless that person that is 540 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 3: the muffled fake voice signed off something for Bravo to 541 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 3: use it. Correct. 542 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, that's that's. 543 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 3: Brilliant, Carlos, Because there you go, so so so production 544 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 3: does know who is behind this voice, so we get 545 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 3: at the bottom of it if she really wanted to. 546 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing. 547 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 1: The person when you when you're using someone's likeness. Right, 548 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: And I'm gonna take you back to Potomac episode last 549 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: week when the First Lady of Maryland was at the event. 550 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: They said she was there and she actually hugged the 551 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: other housewives Alexis, but they couldn't show her. 552 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 2: And and what what the producers did? 553 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 1: They wrote on the screen the First Lady did not 554 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 1: want to be filmed because she did not sign a relief, 555 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 1: so they could not use. 556 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 2: Her like this as her her voice or anything. 557 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: When you're using someone's voice rain drops at the producer, 558 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: they have to sile off on it. 559 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 3: So then Tameron Judge, I'm going to talk to you 560 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 3: through this podcast because I hope she'll listen to it. 561 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 3: She's my friend. But anyway, you need to get from 562 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 3: production who that phony voice is and get to the 563 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 3: bottom of that, because if they signed it, then they 564 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 3: can't be so phony and keep miss you know, canceling 565 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,959 Speaker 3: their account, bring their account back using a phony voice, 566 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 3: dming and then erasing and like all the things that 567 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 3: don't make sense. Because if you're if you're an authentic person, 568 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 3: you're not gonna care what your voice sounds like, right, 569 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 3: You're not gonna care if you you're gonna have to 570 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 3: delete your account and open it back up again. That's 571 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 3: all shady things that people do that don't want to 572 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 3: be known because it's not authentic. So there you go, Tamra, 573 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 3: we just helped you, Carlos and I you pay us later. 574 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 3: We just helped figure. 575 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: Right. 576 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I don't buy it for one second. 577 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 1: Even when Gretchen and Sleigh were talking in the kitchen 578 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: about what just happened, she still did not seem like 579 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 1: a person that was accused of something she didn't do. 580 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 1: You know, I go back to when you watch these 581 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 1: shows and how these women have big reactions, like, for example, 582 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 1: the Cocomnissant multiple partners, you felt like it's so true. 583 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 2: Though yees. Bickie was like, Laura, you fucking bitch. I 584 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 2: never slept my MultiMate partners. 585 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 3: That's not me. I filmed that season, I was there 586 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 3: at that exact same I missed me some Vicky Gumble said, Okay, Carlos, 587 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 3: I just I'm just having to take a moment away 588 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 3: from all this heavy, heavy crap. 589 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 2: But but she. 590 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 3: Would have been like like like, oh my gosh, it's 591 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 3: so true. It's so true. 592 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 1: It's no, it is it is and listen, I think 593 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 1: what and and. 594 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 2: So look, that's that's that's my theory. 595 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 1: I I I don't think Tamra had anything to do 596 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: with it. 597 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 2: I don't think that. 598 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I know a lot of you guys just 599 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 1: don't like her. That's fine, She's a polar rifing figure. Yeah, 600 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 1: but if you guys look at the fact, it doesn't 601 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: make sense that a week after they take that dinner 602 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 1: scene in a private room, right that this guy had information. 603 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 1: He had information because there's somebody in that private room 604 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 1: that leaps to him in order for him to coist 605 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 1: a dentally DM everybody to say, Hey, guys, guess what 606 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 1: Tama was telling me? 607 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 2: These things I don't buy. I don't buy. I don't 608 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 2: buy for a second. 609 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm curious to see what we're going to get 610 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 3: in the comment section on the feedback and what I 611 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 3: really am curious what viewers are feeling at this moment, 612 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 3: because this one is so this one is so well, 613 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 3: it's super deep to me, unto you. Also because I 614 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 3: know we're in the LGBTQ plus community. 615 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 1: So I I. 616 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 3: It really hits home for me and I have this 617 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 3: I mean, actually, I'm usually pretty opinionated him. I was 618 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 3: gonna say, I have a really big opinion about this one, 619 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 3: but I can't really say that because I'm opinionated about everything, 620 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 3: so scratch that. But it hits home and I don't. 621 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,239 Speaker 3: I cannot wait, honestly, Carlos for the reunion, Like this 622 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 3: is one of them where I'm like, I already have 623 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 3: my high blood pressure because I'm just like, the reunion's 624 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 3: a whole other week away. We have to wait six 625 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 3: more days. Oh yeah, I need more information. I do 626 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,880 Speaker 3: need more information on it. They left us the big cliffhanger, Carlos, 627 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 3: the big cliffhanger. 628 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 2: Now, and look that's the job of the producers. 629 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 1: And listen, fantastic work because you got Alexis and I 630 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 1: activated in anticipating the three part re union. And look, 631 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 1: we can't wait, so rain jobs. Let Alexis and I know. 632 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 1: In the comments, do you guys agree with our theory 633 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 1: that this was a scheme that Slagh set. 634 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 2: Up and it's not? 635 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 3: Yes, okay, okay, love that, and let's take it one 636 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,279 Speaker 3: step further. Please comment and let us know. If you 637 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,240 Speaker 3: don't think it's a scheme, please give us why, because 638 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 3: I do want to I want to I like valid points. 639 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 3: I like validity and the truth. I want to hear 640 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 3: if they don't agree, and they feel confident that this 641 00:34:55,680 --> 00:35:02,440 Speaker 3: is real, please tell us why I agree. I will 642 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,879 Speaker 3: look this information for your So, Katie and Tamara are 643 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 3: throwing a watch party next week for the read first reunion, 644 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:15,359 Speaker 3: and guess who's going little Bitty Booby Group. Yeah, I'm going. 645 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm. 646 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,480 Speaker 1: Not gonna fly to the Orange County ship. 647 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 3: Well will you? Will you come? 648 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,240 Speaker 2: Let me look at my calendar? Girl, I don't know, Lizzy, 649 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,760 Speaker 2: let's talk about it. Look, it ain't. 650 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 3: Easy to get here. I know where you're at. But 651 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 3: but if you can come. 652 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,360 Speaker 1: If I'm unable to make it, please report back and 653 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 1: let us know all about this shin dig. But god, 654 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 1: you heard it here first Katie at Tamor, I'm having 655 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 1: a watch party. Alexis would be there reporting live for 656 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 1: Reality with the King podcast and I can't wait to 657 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 1: hear it back. Thank you, Alexis. Get your hair dune, girl, 658 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,359 Speaker 1: and I will see you. I gotta go to. 659 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,319 Speaker 3: The sink right now, get these fools out people. Gotta 660 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 3: have my blonde hair come back without frying it. So 661 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,440 Speaker 3: love you all. See you next week. 662 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:14,840 Speaker 1: Love you baby, thank you, Love you. Reality with the 663 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:19,640 Speaker 1: King is executive produced by me Carlos King, produced by 664 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,440 Speaker 1: Lizzie Nimitz, and a partnership with. 665 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,400 Speaker 2: The Lack of Effect Network. 666 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,440 Speaker 1: You can also find us on my YouTube channel at 667 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,760 Speaker 1: the Carlos King Underscore