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Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This he's Talking Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the

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Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Sat. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian brought us,

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Speaker 1: Rob Phillips and Bill Jones, and welcome into Talking Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, Brian brought us Mickey Spagnola. Happy mondayed everybody

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Speaker 1: out there. A couple more practices, a couple more open

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Speaker 1: practices here at the Star in Frisco. And that's a

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Speaker 1: rap for training camp twenty nineteen. Cowboys fresh off a

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Speaker 1: thirty four to nothing preseason victory Zephyr, the Governor's Cup?

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Speaker 1: Does that count? Break up the Cowboys? Yeah? Over the

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Speaker 1: Houston week we get the Governor's Cup on this one.

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Speaker 1: I didn't see an after game ceremony or anything like that.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that qualifies. But it was a heck

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Speaker 1: of a performance by your Cowboys. I believe it was

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Speaker 1: the first home preseason shutout since nineteen seventy seven. You

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Speaker 1: looked it up, Nick Eatman had that stat first shot

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Speaker 1: out since twenty twelve. If I'm not right, if I'm old. Uh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it sounds right, sure Oakland. Okay, you know what happened

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Speaker 1: in seventy seven man, Yeah, could be an omen mick

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Speaker 1: or not. Let's not read too much into it. But well,

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Speaker 1: we'll spend some time over the next hour kind of

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Speaker 1: looking into that game. Who stood out, who separated themselves,

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Speaker 1: who might have made the team based off of that performance.

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Speaker 1: We'll also take questions off of periscope and uh, potentially

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Speaker 1: some phone calls as well. So Kayton got that number ready?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. He ignored me when I asked if

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Speaker 1: you were taking calls today. I think you did that

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Speaker 1: on purpose, he did. We might not be taking Go

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Speaker 1: and give your cell phone number out there, Robert, and

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Speaker 1: you just gotta give everybody an opportunity to give us

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Speaker 1: a call. Sure, anytime now? You go first? Yeah, Rob's

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Speaker 1: phone number is no. Who'd you like in this game

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Speaker 1: the other night? Um? Pretty much everybody on defense? Defense

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Speaker 1: playing pretty well? Guys, that first defense playing pretty well, Mickey,

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Speaker 1: pretty pretty well. And it doesn't matter who you're playing

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Speaker 1: against because they did what you should do, even if

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Speaker 1: they got their slappies out there. Sure, so interesting word,

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Speaker 1: he's not wrong. Get out there and do what you

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Speaker 1: gotta do. And when you can create that many turnovers

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Speaker 1: and that much pressure on an opposing quarterback, you're you're

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Speaker 1: doing something right. So yeah, I thought that was awfully

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Speaker 1: impressive from a team. As a whole. You know, you

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Speaker 1: can look at and say, Okay, Tacco did this, Tacco

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Speaker 1: did that, Carrie Hider did this or that, But as

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Speaker 1: a whole, I thought they played together. The backside, the pressure,

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Speaker 1: the blitz is takeaways, you couldn't beat it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it was just a total performance. And as the head

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Speaker 1: coach said, we're not even close. Yeah, I think, to me,

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Speaker 1: this is the second week in a row where your

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Speaker 1: twos and threes were clearly better than someone else's twos

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Speaker 1: and threes, which hasn't happened, not very often recently, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: not very often. And you know those were two playoff teams,

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Speaker 1: you know, the rams and then also then the detections.

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Speaker 1: So the fact that you kind of took it your

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Speaker 1: backups took it to them, and I was focusing on

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Speaker 1: you know this, This secondary continues to impress me. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter who they throw out there, you know, whether

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Speaker 1: Woozier and Brown Lewis whoever they throw out there a Lumba.

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Speaker 1: I mean these guys, I mean Wilson, these guys are

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Speaker 1: gone out there and made some plays. They've done a

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Speaker 1: really nice job of going in. Mickey's right about how

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Speaker 1: they've attacked people. Yeah, and they mean that the front

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Speaker 1: has done in the Front seven has done a really

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Speaker 1: nice job those young kids. And I was talking to

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Speaker 1: about I was asking about, you know, lining these guys

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Speaker 1: got an idea of who you're gonna keep and all that,

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Speaker 1: he says. He goes, you know, no, He goes, no, Brian,

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Speaker 1: I tell you, I tell you if I knew, And

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Speaker 1: he goes, but I just want to see I got

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Speaker 1: two more games. And he goes, And a lot of

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Speaker 1: these guys are gonna get snaps. And I even asked

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Speaker 1: him about Taco and he honestly said, you know. He says,

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Speaker 1: Tacos improved. He says, but I want to see Taco

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Speaker 1: it still enough? We'll see? I think some people have

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Speaker 1: a fact that there has been some improvement there. The

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Speaker 1: in about five or six days. Heck of a performance

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Speaker 1: by him, and he's gotten a ton of reps in

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Speaker 1: these first three preseason games. It can't. Yeah, he did,

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Speaker 1: and he's got a lot more competition. You know. It's

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Speaker 1: funny because we were talking about George Selvie last week

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Speaker 1: think they've reached a point now where we're talking about

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Speaker 1: you know, twelve thirteen guys that are like, wow, all

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Speaker 1: these guys have at least enough talent to make an

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Speaker 1: is humming right now because they're doing a good job.

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Speaker 1: And again that talks about continuity, you know, And I'll

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Speaker 1: give Jason Garrett credit. I think Jason Garrett's one of

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Speaker 1: the best evaluating coaches that I've seen. I mean, it

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Speaker 1: he does a really good job with that evaluation side

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Speaker 1: of it. He knows what kind of get players. But

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Speaker 1: it's continuity. You got continuity with the scheme, you got

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Speaker 1: continuity with the coaching staff. You've got continuity that kind

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Speaker 1: of helps you be able to build the team the

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Speaker 1: right way. And you got a head coach that understands personnel.

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Speaker 1: And I don't give him nearly enough credit for his

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Speaker 1: clearly better with some of his influence here. Well, it's

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Speaker 1: better because oh they took Bill Jones's headset away. Oh no,

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Speaker 1: Bill Jones is here, Katon Bill Jones is here, headset back, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he can listen to us for now, I can hear you.

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Speaker 1: He could hear us, Sam headset Yeah, take a phone call.

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Speaker 1: That's one of those phone calls that you got to

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Speaker 1: I'm listening to I mean, we're just talking about Taco

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Speaker 1: his first sack was total effort. Sure, I mean he

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Speaker 1: he even said it. We played the clip during the broadcast.

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Speaker 1: You either have people he's gonna he's got people either

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Speaker 1: I was coverage sack. He's not that good of a player.

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Speaker 1: He can't do that. I mean we've watched him now

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Speaker 1: To Brian's point, he's been productive in practice. This has

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Speaker 1: just been a carry over to that. Now, Mick, do

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Speaker 1: a big shot on that knee. Hey, look, he didn't

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Speaker 1: So you know he's making steps in the right direction.

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Speaker 1: money against the cap immediately immediately, So be careful how

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Speaker 1: you're cutting your team already. I don't know if people

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Speaker 1: step chart. He knows it's the it's the most competition

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Speaker 1: But based on performance Promacy had the other night, I

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Speaker 1: think he's in position to make this team. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: a lot of people look at it that he's also

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Speaker 1: at a position where he raised his trade stock. But again,

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Speaker 1: away cap money. They don't care about Jerry's money, but

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Speaker 1: cap money is important. I asked Mickey and it's the

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Speaker 1: ankle on Taco so ankle. That's what they're working on,

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Speaker 1: so he's ready to go. He's a team captain type

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Speaker 1: they would say basically that's his salary, his base salary

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Speaker 1: for this year. Yeah, set Tacos is guaranteed, right, That's

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Speaker 1: why he's that's more later draft Crowfits is it guaranteed?

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Speaker 1: First round? He's got two years left on his deal

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Speaker 1: and right, But but anyway, I don't know. I don't

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Speaker 1: know how you cut Crawfit. I don't either. I don't,

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Speaker 1: But I wasn't. I wasn't trying to attack you, Bill.

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Speaker 1: it means if it means Crawfits, you're start Okay, you

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Speaker 1: as a rotational rusher. No, yeah. If Crawford starts and

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Speaker 1: that was the best drive he's had by far. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think Jerry said that's the best he's seeing Cooper

425
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Speaker 1: rush play, and so he's put this backup competition to rest. Yeah.

426
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Speaker 1: I mean we've been talking about they're carrying two quarterbacks.

427
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Speaker 1: We've talked about that. You know it was going to

428
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Speaker 1: be when we started off in this journey in training camp,

429
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Speaker 1: we talked about, oh well it is it two or

430
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Speaker 1: three quarterbacks. Cooper Rushes will be the second quarterback and

431
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Speaker 1: then we'll see, we'll see if they may keep that

432
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Speaker 1: Terran Christian. Yeah, but he can do versatile because he

433
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Speaker 1: can do so many different Yeah. I think he's more

434
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Speaker 1: a practice squad. I think he's no, I'm in a

435
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Speaker 1: practice yeah. Yeah, no, no, but not necessarily. As a

436
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Speaker 1: really started swimming, I was like, Okay to him, he's

437
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Speaker 1: gonna be he's gonna be Jamil Showers. You're gonna play

438
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Speaker 1: safety play, you know, And it was kind of nice

439
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Speaker 1: of him to let him least go out there and

440
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Speaker 1: give him. I don't think they were gonna want him

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Speaker 1: do that, to be honest with you, but they did.

442
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 1: Mike White needs to play this whole game next time.

443
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Speaker 1: You know, if you lose him, You lose him. That's

444
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Speaker 1: part of part you know, in another one. You know,

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Speaker 1: isn't it interesting though when you look at what Cooper

446
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Speaker 1: Rush did his rookie year in the preseason and and

447
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Speaker 1: I think most everyone felt like, yeah, okay, he's showing

448
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Speaker 1: a little something. And then it seemed like it seemed

449
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Speaker 1: like maybe it just wasn't the opportunities last year. My

450
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 1: memory is he took a step back last year, okay,

451
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Speaker 1: and you had Mike White there, and now he's come

452
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Speaker 1: on again this year. So maybe with with him Mike White,

453
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Speaker 1: all right, he showed a little something his rookie year,

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Speaker 1: step back this time, and maybe I think he got

455
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Speaker 1: spooped by Mike White getting drafted. Yeah, I think that effected.

456
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Speaker 1: It's like, wait a minute, I was the I but

457
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,919
Speaker 1: basically made Kellen Moore a coach. You know, I may

458
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Speaker 1: have played well enough my rookie year that they made

459
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Speaker 1: Kellen Moore that guy. And then also, whoa, they just

460
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 1: trapped a guy. And everybody's talking about Mike White and

461
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Speaker 1: this and that, you know, guys like myself. And next

462
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 1: day I think it affected him last year, I really do.

463
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Speaker 1: And then he came out he said listen, I've seen

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Speaker 1: Mike White play. I'm not going to worry about Mike

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Speaker 1: White any morning. He went out and started playing better. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And it made a good comment too afterwards about not

467
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Speaker 1: worrying about the hole, just worrying about this play and

468
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Speaker 1: this play and this play. And that's the way he played.

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Speaker 1: And you know what he should have had. He should

470
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Speaker 1: have had another touchdown in that drive. If it look

471
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Speaker 1: the umpire, I think he thought he was getting paid

472
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Speaker 1: for how many times he threw his flag, Jeff Rice.

473
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Speaker 1: Those a lot of flags during the year. I've never

474
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Speaker 1: seen so many holding calls that you kind of looked

475
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Speaker 1: at and you go, huh. And the one on Witton, seriously,

476
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I was blogging the back. No, it wasn't.

477
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Speaker 1: He pushed the guy. Well, you can't do that, but

478
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Speaker 1: he had already. That's even blocked the guy for five

479
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 1: seconds and he finally said get out of here. The

480
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,439
Speaker 1: problem is he pushed him towards the direction of the ball.

481
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Speaker 1: That's the No, he pushed him away from the ball.

482
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Speaker 1: The ball was to his right, and he pushed him

483
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Speaker 1: to the leg. Get into the call. Blocking the block

484
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Speaker 1: in the back. It was blocking the back I couldn't

485
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Speaker 1: thank you from the radio booth. It looked like blocking

486
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Speaker 1: the back to me. Right, Well, when I went back

487
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 1: and looked at on TV, didn't looked like a block

488
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Speaker 1: in the back to me. And and what say about it? Oh?

489
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Speaker 1: He went running after the after you talked to me

490
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Speaker 1: about Now after they scored, he went straight to the

491
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Speaker 1: guy and talked to him. Oh yeah, well you could

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Speaker 1: talk to Mickey. Are they could? It's preseason. There's always

493
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Speaker 1: a lot of flags. Move on. If it costs him

494
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Speaker 1: a game in September, then it's okay. I can wear

495
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Speaker 1: my white hat. More takeaways from Saturday other than the

496
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 1: ump and jeff Rice had a rough day. Um, I

497
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Speaker 1: think that we when before you here, we were talking

498
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Speaker 1: with the twos and three did a nice job against

499
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Speaker 1: there two second week in a row. We had twos

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Speaker 1: and threes play well. I liked some of the stuff

501
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,880
Speaker 1: where I always loved the plays to Tavon Austin down

502
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Speaker 1: the field like that. I love it when you know

503
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:13,640
Speaker 1: we've seen that before. That's one of those players where

504
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 1: they moved the pocket, but Cooper Rush didn't really move

505
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: very much. Throws the ball down the field. Rob said

506
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,919
Speaker 1: it the back and forth between. I went back and

507
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 1: charted those two receivers and how much special teams they played.

508
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Speaker 1: Both of them were flyers, both of them were on

509
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Speaker 1: the kickoff team. One was returning punts, you know, so

510
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 1: you got they were trying to find opportunities for those guys.

511
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Speaker 1: I felt if you said, okay, who is the better,

512
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Speaker 1: more aggressive player on special teams when it came to

513
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Speaker 1: the flyer's it's Devin Smith. Devin Smith has a little

514
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: bit better feel. But then all of a sudden, you

515
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: punt the ball to Cedric Wilson, and now that ball

516
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 1: is coming around the corner up the field, and all

517
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 1: he the second one he could he could have busted too.

518
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I think you have to look at Joe Thomas.

519
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Speaker 1: I'm going a lot of different places. YEA one more

520
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: thing on on on Cedric Wilson. Not only did he

521
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,479
Speaker 1: return one, not one. Well when he was catching. When

522
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Speaker 1: he was catching the punt, you weren't sitting there going

523
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Speaker 1: is he gonna catch it? Because he looked like he

524
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 1: had confidence in himself. Yeah, okay, I like the North South. Yeah,

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00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 1: Joe Thomas is another good one. I mean, like Joe Thomas.

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Speaker 1: We talk about how loaded this linebacker corps is and

527
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Speaker 1: I don't think we always talk about the top three

528
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Speaker 1: and we don't really get past that. I mean, this

529
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Speaker 1: is a guy that started games in the NFL. If

530
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Speaker 1: I was on another team, if I was on another NFL,

531
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Speaker 1: if I was impersonnel, I would try. I would try

532
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Speaker 1: and trade for Joe Thomas. How much would you give

533
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Speaker 1: up for him? I would consider give him up a

534
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 1: fifth round pick for Joe Thomas, and I would not

535
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 1: give up Joe and I would not because he can

536
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: back up all three spots there. He goes see now

537
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: that he's a core special teams guy there so quick.

538
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: He should have He should also had a pick six

539
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: in this game too, if your memory kind of under

540
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: undercut a route and had both hands on the ball

541
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 1: and could have got there with it. But you know, seriously,

542
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: if you want to watch guys play on defense and

543
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,719
Speaker 1: you're thinking, okay, how can we offer something to get

544
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 1: us starter from you are you're always looking to try

545
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: and get a starter. Joe Thomas starts in almost every scheme,

546
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: every scheme he could play in. And then you said,

547
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: and then you put in the special team stuff. You

548
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 1: guys are right, they're not going to give Joe Thomas

549
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 1: up after with you know Sean Lee being banged up

550
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: all the time. He doesn't cost you much. That's what

551
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I would trade, I would trade. Maybe I

552
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 1: have to offer a third round pick. Joe Thomas kes

553
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: me to get my attention, but I'll get your attention

554
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 1: with a third Maybe where do you get c J

555
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: Goodwin on this team? See? This is where I thought

556
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: that c J. Goodwin helped himself because I had doubts

557
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 1: that CJ. Goodwin could make plays and as a corner.

558
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 1: The play he made on the first punt, the first

559
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: punt coverage to tackle the returner, there was a great

560
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: play on his part. But I'm thinking, can this guy cover?

561
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Speaker 1: Am I keeping a guy just because he could play

562
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: special teams? Well? He went out, he gets the interception,

563
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: He looked better in coverage, he looked more comfortable, he

564
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 1: got to some balls. You know, I felt better about

565
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: him as a complete player instead of just being a

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Speaker 1: special teams player. Because I was trying to figure out, Okay,

567
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: Donovan Alumba, how do I okay, how do I with

568
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: some how do I with Mike Jackson? Mike Jackson is

569
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Speaker 1: going to be a big, big, big question mark for

570
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: them because you haven't really seen him, you haven't seen

571
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: him play, and it's it's the same. He does not

572
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: have the same latitude as Connor McGovern has. Right, Connor

573
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: McGovern is gonna well, but Connor McGovern's gonna practice today

574
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: and tomorrow and then that's going to be determined if

575
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: he can, if they're going to carry him or not.

576
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: That's the understanding I have. So Mike Jackson, I think

577
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: he's on the street. There's there's basically six I think

578
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: guys that are for sure in the secondary. And then

579
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: I got question mark on Darren Thompson, C. J. Goodwin. Yeah,

580
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: they'll tell you he's on the team. Mickey that Thompson,

581
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: Frazier and Jackson. If we're talking about special teams, we

582
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: just talked about what the young wide receivers did. Goodwin

583
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: gives you a lot in that area. I'm sure Keith

584
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: oil Quinn would like to have him. Now, the question

585
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: is how do you make it work and see and

586
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: that whole thing about special teamer guys it now it's

587
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: just I get it because we kick the ball out

588
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: of the end zone and we we can directional punt

589
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,719
Speaker 1: and how how do you have to have these guy yet?

590
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: Do you have to question do you have to have

591
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Speaker 1: five guys on your roster just so that because they

592
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Speaker 1: play special And I'm not busting I'm just saying here,

593
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Speaker 1: that's the problem I have. It used to be special

594
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Speaker 1: teams coach. We're coming to me and go, we I've

595
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: got to have this guy. I've got to have this

596
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: guy got Okay, Then I watch him punk the ball

597
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: out of bounce and then I watch him put it

598
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Speaker 1: through the end zone, and I'm going, Okay, you got

599
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: five guys running down the field that don't help me on.

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Speaker 1: Here's what I love about this conversation right here is

601
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Speaker 1: we've got a special teams coach right here who wants

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Speaker 1: that guy out of special teams, and we've got a

603
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Speaker 1: physician coach who wants to keep a guy, say, an

604
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 1: offensive lineman. Okay, We've got Mark Colombo here, and Mark

605
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: Colombo saying, dude, how important are special teams? Now? Right?

606
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Speaker 1: I have I don't get to keep an extra offensive

607
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: tackle because you gotta have CJ. Goodwin. We gotta put

608
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Speaker 1: McGovern on IR for the season because because you gotta

609
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: keep a guy who might and McGovern might not help you,

610
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:17,479
Speaker 1: but I think I think that to me government play tackle,

611
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: I don't think so, Mickey. I've seen him play center

612
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: and guard at Penn State. I don't fee. I'll keep

613
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: saying it. They need a backup tackle. Well that that okay,

614
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: here we go, now here we go. It's list fifty

615
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: two guys, and let's try and claim somebody, or let's

616
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Speaker 1: you know, if you're telling me, if you're telling me

617
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Speaker 1: Jake Campos or somebody at the Buccaneers or Saints or

618
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Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings, I think I'm going that route. They signed

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Speaker 1: Cam Fleming to a two year day. They did with

620
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Speaker 1: some decent money. They did give up one of those

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Speaker 1: defensive alignment for a tackle swing tackle. Yes, I don't

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Speaker 1: out to Will McClay the way this the Cowboys have

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Speaker 1: options here. We approach cutdown Day on Saturday. Daryl Johnson

667
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: was talking about it during the game, how impressed he

668
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: is with the guys like the Joe Thomas's like the

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Speaker 1: carry hiders, like the Christian Covington's college guys doing a

670
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 1: good job that that the makeup of this team with

671
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: those those veteran type players and Alfred Morris even you

672
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: know where these are guys are right kind of guys

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Speaker 1: who are great examples for the young guys coming in

674
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Speaker 1: on how to be a professional in this league too. Yeah, No,

675
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: I think that you have to have you have to

676
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Speaker 1: have an understanding of what your roster needs. And I

677
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,399
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys doing a nice job with going out

678
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: and especially We've talked about this a bunch, the offensive

679
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: line the way it is, the backups with veteran guys,

680
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: now you evaluate your quarterback. Now you see guys like

681
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Speaker 1: Jordan Chun. Now you get to see both receivers go

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Speaker 1: for tat on each other making plays. So I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you if you don't have the type of roster

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Speaker 1: where with those the mix of the young and veteran guys,

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Speaker 1: you can't really evaluate your team. And I applaud them

686
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: for that. I get more excited about watching the second

687
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: halves of some of these games, these preseason games, and

688
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Speaker 1: I know it looks crazy out there and it's holding

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00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: and whatever penalty is going on. But at least you're

690
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 1: getting to evaluate guys this this next game is going

691
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: to some jobs are clearly and I'm not just hyping it.

692
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: There's some clearly some jobs on the line you're and

693
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 1: some spots on the line as well. I wish someone

694
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: would do some research on the number of players who

695
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: get cut okay on Saturday, who eventually during this see

696
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 1: what the percentage is of those players who actually will

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Speaker 1: be on a game day roster during the season, because

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Speaker 1: I bet you that that percentage is way up there. Well.

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Speaker 1: And so there are guys that are playing on Thursday,

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Speaker 1: and people who don't follow it that closely is oh,

701
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: these guys are gonna be working at home depot. No,

702
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: it's not true, practice squads and stuff like that. Yeah.

703
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: And the other thing about these preseason games not account

704
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: it too much, but but the NFL does not have

705
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: a minor league. And basically what these preseason games, the

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00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 1: second half of the games we've seen the last couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks, and then the whole game on Thursday, This,

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Speaker 1: in essence, is the NFL's minor league. R acts the XFL.

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Speaker 1: I think the NFL has did a great thing by

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Speaker 1: keeping the final cut being a final cut, the going

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00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 1: down to seventy five and then going down there. No,

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00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: I mean I wish I was involved where it was

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00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: keep all ninety guys the whole time. If you're a

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00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 1: head makes it makes it more exciting to try and

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00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: guys still have an opportunity. It does, And that's seventy

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00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 1: five cut was so hard for head coaches because if

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00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: you're not playing your starters in this last game, right,

718
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 1: and you got to figure out how to get enough

719
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: guys in the game to get through it. Well, that's

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00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: how you decided who you cut, because you had to

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00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: keep enough guys able to get through the game. Sometime,

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00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: this guy's not going to make the team, but I

723
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: need an offensive guard to get through this game. Do

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00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,359
Speaker 1: you not think these agents today are telling these young

725
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: guys that are probably not gonna get cut, Hey, you

726
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: better put some good tape out there because you get

727
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,479
Speaker 1: a job in the XFL. I mean Ryl Johnson sitting

728
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: there watching the question, right, no question, A bunch of

729
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: these guys could get through the notes. He was marking

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Speaker 1: up his flip card. Did he wrap your your little

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Speaker 1: board there? Yeah? I see you didn't go to the

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Speaker 1: game without it. You know what happened last week in Hawaii.

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Speaker 1: You know how bad the traffic was, sure, whatever, And

734
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Speaker 1: so I get on the team bus. I look at

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Speaker 1: my briefcase and all right, here all my notes. You're

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Speaker 1: blocking your mic Yeah, all right, I think it's not

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Speaker 1: filled out yet for okay, yeah, I left the hotel room.

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Speaker 1: I did not have it for the game that Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but I've always I've always said the way I stayed

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Speaker 1: for games and the way I used to study for

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00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,919
Speaker 1: tests way back when in college, if I wrote it down,

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Speaker 1: I remember it, And so I put it to the

743
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: ultimate test in Hawaii last week, where and I was

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00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 1: pulling out things. I was like, wow, I can't believe

745
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 1: I remembered that about that player. And the game was

746
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: also over, like at one in the morning, right, so

747
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 1: we probably didn't have the art because no, I was elbowing.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, hey, Mill, don't forget this. Oh mickey was

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Speaker 1: your Yeah? Yeah, so what did you do it this week? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: You made the board? Oh sure, I've made you brought

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Speaker 1: every time, and you brought with the key? Is I

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Speaker 1: remembered to bring it? You had to bring it with you?

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Speaker 1: Left it on my hotel room desk last week. So

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Speaker 1: all right, final minutes here of talking cowboys. Hey Bill, Yes,

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00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: they're working out a couple of tight ends today. Tyrone

756
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:31,439
Speaker 1: swoops former University of Texas quarterback and then a guy

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Speaker 1: named Zach conk c O n q U E is

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Speaker 1: that con q is that? Would you say that? Are

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00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: you that Cody McElroy stinger came back? Yes? So yes,

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Speaker 1: And they don't want to play Witten in the game,

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Speaker 1: right and if they're not going to play the other

762
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Speaker 1: two about our Missouri Lucas to play sixty five now,

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00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 1: no practice squad eligibly for Lucas. By the way, I

764
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: can't imagine he'll move on. He's only been in the

765
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: league five years. He's been on ten teams, so yeah,

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Speaker 1: that would make sense now eleven and two of them twice. Yeah. Oh,

767
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 1: by the way, it sounds like Byron Jones is on

768
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: his way back to practice here. Yeah, they've got officially

769
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: move him off of pup, but he's still counts towards

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Speaker 1: ninety if if he is back, and it sounds like

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00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: he would be, guys, time crossing out right, they'll probably

772
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 1: work him back in limited like they did tank and

773
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: then they have to cut somebody. Okay, no, he resigned.

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00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 1: They whatever. Pep. By the way, Tyrone Swoops was with

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00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: the Seahawks, yes, and he was waived injured and was

776
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 1: on August third, released on August fourteenth, So I'm not

777
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Speaker 1: what he's not sure what he had. But does that

778
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: mean to back up deep Snappers out of here? Although

779
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,399
Speaker 1: then LP has to play the whole game. No, they'll

780
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,399
Speaker 1: figure out something. There's got one the other kicker, Yeah,

781
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: the other kicker. There you get still you still want

782
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Speaker 1: LP snapping? You have you made up your mind on

783
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Speaker 1: your kicker? Oh? Yeah, you mean Red? You know? No,

784
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 1: you have you made up your mind on Maher? Oh

785
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: yeah he's here. Yeah, okay, you've made up your mind. Yeah.

786
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Speaker 1: See that that you talk about Rigo at this time,

787
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: and you made up your mind on Bailey. H. I

788
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 1: was worried, are you? I was worried they'd have the

789
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Speaker 1: nerve to pull the trigger. But I was worried. There

790
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: was a competition going on that none of us really knew.

791
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: I did not know about the competition at all, and

792
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: I sat there and watched everything. I thought they were

793
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: going to have to deal with it. Yeah, because he

794
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: wasn't good in training camp and there were other things

795
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: going on that he wasn't good with either, And so

796
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: what Minnesota did they traded for that dude and he

797
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 1: promptly went into the game and missed I think he

798
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: missed the first kick. Yeah, yeah, vi vitick. How do

799
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Speaker 1: you say it? You're asking me for I could know

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Speaker 1: it for help. It's funny, Bill, did you pronounce the

801
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 1: the Houston quarterbacks last name? Correct? Correct? But what were

802
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,959
Speaker 1: you going with Tom Tomambo? I see, I can't say.

803
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: I can't say it's every time I every time something

804
00:41:58,080 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 1: happened in the game with him throwing. I was I

805
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: was doing radio like the worst radio and just Georgia

806
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: side old miss quarterback is what I was based on exactly.

807
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Speaker 1: So ye, can I just keep a quick shout out

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Speaker 1: to Trokeman. Here you go his tweet, I believe was

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00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: it last night? Yeah, in defense of Andrew Luck's decision

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Speaker 1: to retire. I believe it's at like almost four hundred

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Speaker 1: thousand likes right now on Twitter. Just you know, well said,

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Speaker 1: do you have it? Uh? No, I could find it

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00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: real quick for you. Just the first words, it's got

814
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Speaker 1: a it's got a four lettle that many people liked it,

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Speaker 1: then I think we probably would like it. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: it was actually an eight letter word. Yes, but right here,

817
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 1: but go ahead, motal bs, Doug. What qualifies you to

818
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: decide how someone should live their life? So you're now

819
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: the authority on what motivates Andrew Luck and if his

820
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 1: decisions don't fit into what you think is best for him,

821
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 1: then you rip him. I guess that's what keeps you

822
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 1: employed to f F one this one and here's the

823
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: talks on Fox Crime right there. And here's the tweet

824
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Speaker 1: that he was responding to from Doug Guttlie but from

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Speaker 1: Saturday Night. Retiring because rehabbing is too hard is the

826
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 1: most millennial thing ever, Andrew Lucky. But what's much beautiful?

827
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Speaker 1: The most beautiful thing about the Aikman tweet is the

828
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: comment about FS one. Yeah he just took a shot

829
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Speaker 1: because yeah, yeah, well, and it's yes, it's it's yeah,

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Speaker 1: It's not so much that for me. It's just coming

831
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 1: to the fence of a quarterback. And Aikman went through

832
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 1: plenty of injuries in his career, and it's it's a

833
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 1: difficult decision that that Luck had to make. Did you

834
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 1: see Steve Burline what he yes, No, but did Burline

835
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 1: he ripped him for leaving his team. Yeah. Do you

836
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,919
Speaker 1: want me to read some of it out of time, sir?

837
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 1: I know we are. But he did say he's a

838
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 1: huge Andrew Luck fan. Yeah, he has been. But he

839
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 1: put him in a bad situation, is what he he

840
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: put He was talking more about the team, like, now,

841
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: what do you do? Noway? Right? Can you have done

842
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 1: this two months? His team needs him to make this run.

843
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: I know rehab as tough. I had nineteen surgeries as

844
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Speaker 1: a player, eight over two years. But he owes it

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Speaker 1: and we never have with the injuries. They've kept him

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Speaker 1: the same thing has happened to Sean Lee. How many

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Speaker 1: and you know he probably feels like, wow, I mean

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Speaker 1: I played ten years and well I only played five.

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Speaker 1: You know, I really didn't play ten years here, I've

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Speaker 1: because he figures he's fresh, that he's as tough a

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Speaker 1: player as you'll find, that Andrew Luck is the toughest

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Speaker 1: He deserves me. On the sidelines are the people in

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Speaker 1: Indianapolis that booed right, all right, they walk our streets.

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Speaker 1: We got talking cowboys again tomorrow. We'll see you then.

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