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Speaker 1: A key party? I don't do you even know? I

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Speaker 2: A key party is some weird seventies thing where you

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Speaker 2: Yes, and I just got married my husband Hunter, and

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Speaker 1: What I thought too. My keys are in there. I

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Speaker 1: I'm married, for God's sakes, Milli, What are you gonna do?

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Speaker 1: Wow, this is a real This is a real conundrum, Milly. Wow, Wow,

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Speaker 2: It's a similar conundrum that faces the characters of the

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Speaker 1: The Ice Storm from nineteen ninety seven. You're correct, this

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Speaker 2: What aquinkyd can be And we're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there are a surprising very few Thanksgiving movies, but

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Speaker 2: Right, Why do you think that they don't make a

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Speaker 1: To Jericho, my name is Casyo Brain. And yes, this.

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Speaker 1: Breakfast burritos are the new Turkey. Yay uh mellly, let's

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Speaker 1: Storm from nineteen ninety seven, directed by Onley, screenplay by

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Speaker 2: like ingmar Bergman scenes for marriage or you know, like

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00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 2: like stuff about like families and marital strife and kids

437
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,679
Speaker 2: and parents. I don't know, it's just is such a

438
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 2: good movie and I still love it. I still love it.

439
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 2: I've seen it probably like I don't know six times.

440
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 1: I love it.

441
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 2: What about you?

442
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 1: You know, It's interesting because when I first saw this movie,

443
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: The Ice Storm was definitely in that like type when

444
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 1: I started getting into movies like as an art form

445
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 1: and like seeking out more artsy movies, which was probably

446
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,199
Speaker 1: around the year like two thousand and one when I

447
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: was like fourteen, and The Ice Storm was definitely in

448
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,160
Speaker 1: that like list of movies that it was like, this

449
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 1: is artsy, but also like was nominated for stuff at

450
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 1: the Academy Awards. You know, It's like it's not an

451
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 1: indie movie. It's like but it's like art house, you know,

452
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 1: and it's kind of on the list of movies that

453
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 1: you need to see to be like, say, you're a cinephile,

454
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 1: and I think watching it this time, I was like, wow,

455
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 1: this was Originally I feel like this really would have

456
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 1: blown my mind when it came out because there were

457
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,719
Speaker 1: so many copycat movies of this, or there's a lot

458
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 1: of movies I kind of cribbed from this movie I

459
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 1: felt like or were just kind of similar in vibe

460
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 1: because I think I saw American Beauty and The Virgin

461
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 1: Suicides before I saw The Ice Storm, and so when

462
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,400
Speaker 1: I saw The Ice Storm, I was kind of like, yeah,

463
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 1: I've seen this before. It was like less revolutionary for

464
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: me when I first saw it, But I've seen this

465
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 1: movie probably three or four times, and on this last viewing,

466
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 1: I was like really affected by it and really connected

467
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 1: to it. And this has sort of been a theme

468
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: for me lately, but I've been connecting with movies that

469
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 1: just sort of missed me when I was younger, and

470
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, this movie isn't really I don't

471
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: know if like a fifteen year old kid who would

472
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 1: connect with The Ice Storm as much as like, I

473
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: don't know a thirty seven year old guy, you know.

474
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: So I this time, I was very affected by it

475
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 1: and saw it in kind of a completely new light.

476
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: So it was really a really enjoyable movie viewing experience

477
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 1: for me this time.

478
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 2: Well, and you know what's really interesting about this film, Like,

479
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 2: just to go back to the awards thing, this did

480
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 2: not get nominated for an Academy Award.

481
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,479
Speaker 1: Oh it didn't. No it Wow, I'm surprised to hear that.

482
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 2: Well, it won Best Screenplay, it got the Palm d'Or

483
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:06,360
Speaker 2: Best Screenplay. Okay, at can it won it? But no,

484
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 2: it didn't get nominated. And this is the thing I

485
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 2: want to like talk about when it comes to something

486
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 2: like American Beauty, which won all the awards.

487
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: Right, yes, I'm.

488
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 2: Sitting here going I feel like The Ice Doorm is

489
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,959
Speaker 2: sort of a sleeper because it came out it is,

490
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 2: but it didn't like make a shit ton of money.

491
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 2: It was I will say it was an art house movie.

492
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 2: It was definitely a movie that was made for adults,

493
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 2: which is something I very much appreciate now. Yes, even

494
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 2: though when I was in college and I wasn't a

495
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 2: shithead face, I did watch a ton of art house

496
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 2: films and I did appreciate directors like Ongley because Onglee

497
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 2: was making movies for adults. Let's get serious. There was

498
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 2: like a handful of directors in the nineties that were

499
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 2: that were making art house movies that were about adults.

500
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 2: They had adult characters and adult themes and that kind

501
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 2: of stuff, and I there's been a lot of talk

502
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 2: about how those movies don't exist anymore, which I tend

503
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 2: to agree with. I think that a lot of people

504
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 2: have suggested that those movies are now just television shows,

505
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 2: which I also agree with.

506
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: And they're there are the type of television show where

507
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: it's like you watch them and there's like three good

508
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: episodes and four kind of bad ones. And I feel

509
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: like there's a lot of TV shows now when you

510
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: finish them, you're like, I should have been a movie.

511
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

512
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: I don't know if you have that experience, but that's

513
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: how I feel about a lot of these adult driven

514
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:37,160
Speaker 1: TV shows now.

515
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And it's like, but if you look at

516
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 2: like the if you just look at the facts about

517
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 2: the ice storm in nineteen ninety seven, I mean it

518
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 2: did not get nominated for an Oscar, I feel like

519
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 2: it should have. It feels like it should have way

520
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 2: way before American Beauty, which I feel like, Yeah, I

521
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 2: don't know, I'm gonna maybe this is shots fired or something,

522
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 2: but I think The Ice Storm is a way better

523
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 2: movie than American Beauty. Personally, I.

524
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: Would agree with you one hundred percent. And I think

525
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: that The Ice Storm is held in higher regard. Now

526
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: that's what I think. Yeah, I don't know if that's true,

527
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: but that's what I think.

528
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 2: I think so too. And then on top of that,

529
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 2: I mean it says that the budget for The Ice

530
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 2: Storm was eighteen million and the box office was only

531
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 2: sixteen millions. It didn't even make it. It didn't even

532
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 2: break even, yeah, which is so shocking, Like it feels

533
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 2: like a movie like this, I don't know what happened.

534
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 2: There's so many good people in it. It's an amazing story,

535
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 2: amazing people across the board, director, writer, everything, cinematographer. And

536
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 2: then yet it kind of didn't make much of a splash,

537
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 2: which is sad. And I think that's maybe why I

538
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 2: champion it so much, because I'm just like, this movie

539
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 2: is a gem, and like more people should know it's

540
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 2: a gem. I don't know if yes, maybe that's a

541
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 2: bad ministry to have, but I feel like it's I

542
00:29:58,360 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 2: feel like a.

543
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: Half, but I think it was. I think even if

544
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: it didn't succeed at the box office or the Academy Awards.

545
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 1: I think it was known pretty quickly thereafter as like, oh,

546
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: this is like an excellent this is like what the

547
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: real the real head's like. That's how I felt when

548
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: I was kind of coming up in the world of,

549
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: you know, becoming a real movie fan.

550
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 2: I want to be known as real head cases.

551
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, hell yeah. Well let's get into the plot a

552
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: little bit. Okay, if you don't mind, If you haven't

553
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: seen this movie, I would say there isn't a The

554
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: plot is a little loosey goosey. It's kind of a

555
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: vibe movie, and it is a yeah, it's a moody movie,

556
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: you know. So We're in New Cannon, Connecticut, Connecticut in

557
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy three over the Thanksgiving break. There are two families.

558
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: We're concentrating on the Hoods and the Carvers. Ben Hood

559
00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: played by Kevin Klein. He is having an affair with

560
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: Jane Carver played by Sigourney Weaver, the icy Janie Carver.

561
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: Kevin Klein's wife is Elena played by Joan Allen, and

562
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: her character I could describe as lost and miserable. At

563
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: one point early on, she gets caught shoplifting at the

564
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: local pharmacy, she just sort of seems stuck. And their

565
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: daughter Wendy Hood played by Christina Ricci, she is a

566
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: sexually curious teen, and their son Paul Hood, who's played

567
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: by Toby maguire. He is away at boarding school. So

568
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:39,959
Speaker 1: the whole beginning of this movie is sort of just

569
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: setting up who these people are, where they're at in

570
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: their lives, and kind of the general vibe of the

571
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: whole place, you know. So like we kind of touched upon,

572
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: Like there's movies that we seem sort of like similar

573
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: to this one, are like influenced kind of by this one.

574
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: But I feel like so much there were so many

575
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: like nineties music and movies about kind of like the

576
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: fear of suburbia and like the fear of being bored

577
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: in suburbia. And I feel like, in some ways now

578
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: that feels like a quaint problem to have. What do

579
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: you think about that?

580
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 2: So here in Atlanta, which is, you know, where I

581
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,239
Speaker 2: grew up, I have a lot of friends who who

582
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 2: have had kids who have moved back out to the burbs.

583
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 2: So maybe you know you're from somewhere like Roswell, or

584
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 2: you're from somewhere like Duluth. You graduate high school, you

585
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 2: move downtown into Atlanta, and then you hang out for

586
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 2: a while, and then you have kids, and then you're like,

587
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 2: oh shit, I'd rather raise my kids out in the

588
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 2: burbs where I can have a good school system and

589
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 2: a bigger house, and then they move back out to

590
00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 2: those places. So I have a lot of friends that

591
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 2: have done that, moved back out to where they grew up,

592
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 2: and over the past couple of weeks, a lot of

593
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 2: them have wanted to hang out and like had they

594
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 2: had it. I went out to a big Halloween party

595
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 2: out in the burbs where I'm from and was tripes

596
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 2: around my old neighborhood and seeing this whole suburban life again,

597
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 2: and I was like, damn, this is crazy out here.

598
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 2: It is crazy out here. I was like that, first

599
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 2: of all, the houses are just so much bigger that

600
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 2: there's like neighborhoods in that way with like you know,

601
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 2: Hoa's and like you know, like these really nice signs

602
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 2: with like landscaping neighbors, like the kind of neighbors that

603
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 2: you would hang out with, like in the movie The

604
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 2: Ice Storm. And also it's just like but also the

605
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 2: feeling like talking to some people who are maybe a

606
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 2: little unsure of being out there who missed the city

607
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 2: and are like, oh shit, like why did I move

608
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 2: out here? There's nothing to do out here. I feel

609
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 2: like such a such a mom, like a suburban mom,

610
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 2: and there's feeling of like and there and we had

611
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 2: you kind of have these conversations where they're kind of

612
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,280
Speaker 2: looking at me and they'll be like, tell me about

613
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 2: all the craziness that's happening down there, and I'm like,

614
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 2: it's really not crazy, it's just different. And so I

615
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 2: feel like there was this moment I was having over

616
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 2: the past couple of weeks where I was just talking

617
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,720
Speaker 2: to friends and I feel like I'm like, wow, it's back.

618
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 2: It's the suburban on we is back. The feeling of

619
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 2: like maybe am I stuck out here?

620
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 1: Is this?

621
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 2: It is this like is there culture out here? Is

622
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 2: there a life for me out here? And I'm like

623
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 2: that's crazy to think about just for me, you know,

624
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 2: because I, like I said, I still live downtown, but.

625
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: Pill yeah, but did you so you grew up in

626
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 1: the suburbs.

627
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I basically went to high school out

628
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 2: in Marietta, which is a suburb of Atlanta, and hated it,

629
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 2: absolutely fucking hated it. I've got on record many times

630
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 2: about that. It was not for me at all. Yeah,

631
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 2: And I was always trying to go downtown. That was

632
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 2: like my mission. And it's so funny because I think

633
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 2: about the Christina Ricci character Wendy, and I mean, she's

634
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 2: a lot more bold than I was at her age,

635
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 2: but I saw a lot of myself and her, especially

636
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 2: the political stuff, just being like a loud mouth, and

637
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 2: I at her age she's supposed to be fourteen in

638
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 2: the movie. Oh yeah, I was going downtown. I was

639
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 2: like getting in cars with my friends and being like,

640
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 2: let's go to Junkman's Daughter, Let's go into Oxford Comics

641
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 2: or eat it Fellini's Like, you know, I was like

642
00:35:55,320 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 2: wanting to so I'm like Wendy. Instead of maybe sitting

643
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 2: in front of the TV and eating candy, I would

644
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 2: have just been like, take me to what's the big

645
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 2: town in Connecticut's the where's the happen in town in Connecticut?

646
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:11,399
Speaker 1: Do you know? Well, I think they would go into

647
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: the city. They'd go into like Manhattan.

648
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:14,280
Speaker 2: Oh, they'd go to Manhattan.

649
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: Oh, you're absolutely right about that.

650
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 2: I forgot. Yeah, I would have been on a bus

651
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,720
Speaker 2: going into Manhattan if I was that girl.

652
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:25,479
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, it is interesting. I grew up in

653
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 1: Minneapolis proper, oh wow, and then I went to school

654
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: in the suburbs, and there was this whole thing. There

655
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: was sort of this dividing line between like the Minneapolis

656
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: kids and the suburban kids. Well, the suburban kids always

657
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 1: had way more money, sure, and they were just I

658
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: don't know, they felt like they were kind of from

659
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: a different world. And I was always you know, us

660
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 1: Minneapolis kids were like, we would never live in the suburbs.

661
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: We can't live out there. Yeah, And so it was

662
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: interesting coming back to Minneapolis after living in Los Angeles

663
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: for seventeen years to find a lot of those kids

664
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: moved out to the burbs. Yeah, and I think just

665
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: from conversations with them, they have that same sort of

666
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: on we kind of like or they are like really

667
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: defensive of it. Yes, they want to like get ahead

668
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: of the the the argument that they might be like

669
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: less cultured or they're raising their children in a less

670
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: cultured environment or something. But it is interesting. It's still

671
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 1: it's still there. It's still there. Yeah. But you know,

672
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,240
Speaker 1: this movie is you know, there's a lot of movies

673
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 1: kind of and shows said in the nineteen seventies, Do

674
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: you like the seventies vibe of this movie and other

675
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,399
Speaker 1: movies like this? Do you like entering that world where

676
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: you could smoke in a living room and it's totally fine?

677
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think it has to be. It

678
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 2: is definitely a case by case basis for sure, because

679
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 2: you can you can either be gold Member, right, you

680
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 2: could be like Foxy Cleopatra gold Member, or you could

681
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 2: be something like this, which it feels very lived in,

682
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 2: which is what I love about the Ice Storm. It's

683
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 2: almost kind of like you believe that these people are

684
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 2: in the world. It doesn't feel like artifice, like like

685
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 2: in the in the kind of way that maybe, you know,

686
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 2: even something like that seventies show.

687
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: It feels much more grounded in the reality.

688
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 2: Yes, it feels more like you're watching again, like an

689
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 2: Igmar Bergman movie from the seventies, versus like something that's

690
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 2: like check out these bell bottoms Watergate. I mean, even

691
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 2: though they do talk about Nixon and Watergate, they're not

692
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 2: having the like the like stupid fucking you know montage

693
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 2: sequence of to everything term. I mean, it's like, you know,

694
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 2: they're just it's not like Forrest fucking Gump.

695
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,240
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, Well, is there a character

696
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: in this that you feel like, because there's so many

697
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 1: characters that are having their own existential journeys, is there

698
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: a character that you view this movie kind of through

699
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: now in your cur place of life or has it

700
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 1: always been the same character?

701
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, I'll say this, I feel like

702
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 2: the movie is it's so much about the women. For me, Like,

703
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 2: even though there are sort of, you know, elements to

704
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 2: some of the male characters, like the Toby Maguire character,

705
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 2: that Kevin Klein character, even the Jamie Sheridan character that

706
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 2: are kind of interesting, they it just gets completely I mean,

707
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 2: they get fucking sidelined by these women, which is so

708
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 2: interesting to me. And it's what makes me like the

709
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 2: movie a lot more because I'm just so drawn to

710
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 2: Joan Allen, Sigourney Weaver, and Christina Ricci and it feels

711
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,760
Speaker 2: like there's almost kind of like a high mid low

712
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 2: thing happening where these are three women who are operating

713
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 2: in the And by the way, I have to covey

714
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 2: on all of this by saying I did talk about

715
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 2: this movie on I saw what you did, so I

716
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 2: apologize if I'm repeating myself at all. I feel like

717
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 2: I'm not, but you know I might be.

718
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 1: I did.

719
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 2: We did it a long time ago, by the way,

720
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 2: but you should check it out if you're going back

721
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 2: in the feed. Those are three women that are operating

722
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 2: in the same time and place, which is nineteen seventy three. Obviously,

723
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 2: like the women's movement is in full swing. There's so

724
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 2: much social upheaval that affects them, sexual revolution, and it's

725
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 2: almost kind of like you get to see the reactions

726
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 2: of three totally different types of women. Joan Allen being

727
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 2: the kind of traditional housewife but feeling very stuck, Sigourny

728
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 2: Weaver feeling very free and feeling like maybe she doesn't

729
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 2: know how she feels about that, and then Christina Ricci,

730
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 2: who is all fire, all passionate, all wanting to discover

731
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 2: and do everything, just experience everything. So that's I think

732
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 2: what I mean by like a high mid low reaction totally,

733
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 2: But for me personally now, I mean I think I

734
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 2: was obviously compelled by Sigourney Weaver when I first saw

735
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 2: this movie, because I thought she was, like, Wow, she's

736
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 2: so fabulous, and she's very like sure of herself and

737
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 2: what she wants and this kind of thing. But then

738
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 2: I feel like, now I kind of vacillate between Joan

739
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 2: Allen and Christina Ricci at this age.

740
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, for me, it's definitely Joan Allen. I think her

741
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: character is so fascinating because I think it's so interesting.

742
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 1: You don't really know what she wants, and she doesn't

743
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 1: really know what she wants, but it's just kind of

744
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: like this, ain't it right? You know? And I think

745
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: that mystery makes her even more enticing, where it's kind

746
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: of like, this isn't the life I wanted, but I

747
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: don't know what that life I do want is, you know,

748
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 1: And she's kind of just throwing spaghetti against the wall

749
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 1: in her own little world to see what if anything

750
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 1: can make her feel. You know. She steals makeup from

751
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: the pharmacy just to be like what if this is

752
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: who I am? Or like I want to ride my

753
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: bike through town. You know. She's just like she doesn't

754
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: know how to get out of her situation, and so

755
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: she's but she's also not like a rebellious person necessarily,

756
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: you know, And I don't know, she's an endlessly fascinating

757
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: person that I relate to. You know, it's like I've

758
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: had that feeling of being like I want out, yeah,

759
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: but not knowing out of what or where to go

760
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: right well.

761
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 2: And it's interesting because her daughter is the Christini Reichi character,

762
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 2: and she is just like a bulldozer, like she's.

763
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: Just like I do well yeah, And I think Joan

764
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: Allen admires her because she's said, like I saw you

765
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,879
Speaker 1: riding your bike and you look so free, like like

766
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: like I want to be like you.

767
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 2: Yeah.

768
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: You know, even though.

769
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 2: Christina Ricci is a child and is just sort of

770
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 2: exploring and maybe doesn't even know well, definitely doesn't know

771
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 2: who she is and what she wants really, but the

772
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 2: idea that she acts first without thinking is the.

773
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 1: Complete unert it.

774
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 2: And you know, there's a scene that I think is

775
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 2: really interesting towards the beginning of the movie where basically

776
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,879
Speaker 2: Joan Allen's character is out on the town and she's

777
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 2: like at a church. They're having a book sale in

778
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 2: the in the front lawn and you know, all the

779
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 2: books this is the seventies is a lot of like

780
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 2: self discovery, self help books. She's kind of going through

781
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 2: it and it kind of hovers on fear of flying

782
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 2: by Erica Jong, which of course was this huge, huge

783
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 2: novel that came out in nineteen seventy three that was

784
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 2: all about like female sexuality, and it's like a story

785
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 2: of a woman trying to discover herself, and it just,

786
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 2: you know, I think at that moment is kind of

787
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 2: the connection point between maybe like what Joan Allen's character

788
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 2: is feeling is that she's like needing her own path,

789
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 2: she needs, she wants to find herself. She's definitely a searcher,

790
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 2: you know. Yes, I'm curious what you think too, because

791
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 2: here's the thing about this scene. This happens early on.

792
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 2: She maets this like priest or pastor guy. Oh fuck

793
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 2: her is like total hippie and he's actually talking to

794
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 2: her during the scene where she's picking up the Erica

795
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 2: Jong book and again establishing her character as someone who's

796
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 2: kind of a seeker, and then in walks this like

797
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 2: fucking hippie priest and I'm like, oh, man, I hope

798
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:39,919
Speaker 2: he doesn't snag her and put her in a cult

799
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:44,240
Speaker 2: or something. Yeah, what did you think about him? Well?

800
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: I think it kind of was indicative of the malleability

801
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: of kind of like predatory men. Like I feel like

802
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: you have this idea of men being kind of like

803
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: insensitive brutes, but you've seen I'm trying to figure out

804
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: the right way to describe how I felt about him,

805
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: But I just feel like there's a certain type of like, oh,

806
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: I'm a sensitive guy, and he gets allowed into like

807
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 1: sensitive creative spaces, but they end up being the worst

808
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 1: type of predator, gross guy, you know. And it's like

809
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 1: I feel like he's like this freeze thinker, but he's

810
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 1: still trying to like control Joan Allen and keep up

811
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 1: the patriarchy in a certain in a way? You know?

812
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: Does that make sense what I just saw?

813
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 2: So it totally doesn't. He always manages to say something

814
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 2: that offends her, which is so funny, like and I

815
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 2: think he thinks he's being funny, but she's just like,

816
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 2: I mean, is that, well, why are you saying it

817
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 2: to me?

818
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: Like that's so stupid?

819
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, oh my god. That gets flushed out a

820
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 2: lot towards the end of the film where you really

821
00:45:56,120 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 2: do find out like just what a creepy is.

822
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: Meaning I love I wrote down Joan Allen's line yeah,

823
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: where she says, I'm going to try very hard to

824
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 1: not understand the implications of that of something he says

825
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: later in the.

826
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 2: Movie, Yeah, oh god, what a fucking scumback at the end.

827
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 2: But it's it's funny because again, I think it kind

828
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 2: of it gets back to that original point, which is

829
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 2: that I think the reason why her character becomes the

830
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 2: most fascinating character in the movie, especially I think as

831
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 2: you get older is that you're just like, yeah, I mean,

832
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 2: who isn't this? Who isn't alive for a certain amount

833
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 2: of time, have had a family, or have gone through

834
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 2: life and then has just kind of satin their tracks

835
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 2: and been like, huh am I doing when I'm supposed

836
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 2: to be doing? Is this right? Do I feel good?

837
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: What's up? So I think there's like sort of this

838
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: element that it's like, Okay, there's all this freedom for

839
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: women that they haven't experienced prior to this time, place

840
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 1: and time, and now there is freedom to do stuff.

841
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:03,720
Speaker 1: But that muscle has not maybe been utilized in her before,

842
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: where she's actually hat like she hasn't had to think

843
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 1: about what she actually wants because it wasn't available to her,

844
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 1: and now it is maybe kind of available to her,

845
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:14,919
Speaker 1: and she's kind of like, what do I do now?

846
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean, I wrote this in the notes, but

847
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 2: I was like I wrote that, like basically, you just

848
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 2: you really at some point do want her to like

849
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 2: just get rid of that severe bob haircut that she

850
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 2: has and take off her like fucking crazy like pussy

851
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 2: bow tops. She always is, were like these kind of

852
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 2: seventies pussy bow tops and just like go feral in

853
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,720
Speaker 2: the woods. You're just like, yeah, like let go girl,

854
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 2: like you know, but it's it's hard in this era.

855
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: For it's hard. Yeah, uh okay, So we've mentioned this already,

856
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:51,280
Speaker 1: but Wendy, Christina Riachi's character is sort of she's exploring

857
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: sexually and she's very unafraid, and she's sort of dating

858
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: slash fooling around with the Carver boy Mikey played by

859
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: Elijah Wood and mike He's brother, Sandy played by Adam Handbird,

860
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 1: is also like obsessed and in love with Christina Ricci,

861
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: and she sort of plays these like sexual games with

862
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: both of them, and at one point she asks Sandy

863
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: like or she says, I'll show you mine if you

864
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: show me yours, and that really upsets Sandy gets kind

865
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: of scared and upset by that. Meanwhile, Sigourney Weaver's character,

866
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 1: Janeye is getting annoyed with Ben Kevin Klein's character during

867
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: the affair, and she like abandons him mid hookup, and

868
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 1: so he's like in his underwear in her house. And

869
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: as a result of that, Wendy, his daughter, comes back

870
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 1: to Mikey's house and starts giving him a hand job

871
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: with a Richard Nixon mask on, and Kevin Klein catches

872
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 1: them and he tells his wife Elena about this later,

873
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 1: but by telling her that he was there, he basically

874
00:48:55,920 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 1: sort of inadvertently tells her he's having an affair with Janey. So, yes,

875
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 1: that's sort of the next chunk here. Yeichs.

876
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 2: First of all, I have to say part of the

877
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 2: reason I we'll talk about this in a little bit,

878
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:17,280
Speaker 2: but the neighbor's thing is so crazy to me because

879
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 2: when we moved to Marietta, aka the northern suburbs of Atlanta,

880
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 2: I was, you know, roughly like fifth grade or something

881
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 2: like that, fifth or sixth grade, and the neighborhood that

882
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,800
Speaker 2: we moved to was so huge. I mean there's probably

883
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:41,760
Speaker 2: like hundreds of families, and there were no black people

884
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:45,720
Speaker 2: that lived there. There were no Asian people that lived there.

885
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 2: We were pretty much the only people of color. And

886
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 2: when I say like people of color, it's like, you know,

887
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,800
Speaker 2: my dad is white, He's from Italy, right, But even

888
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 2: that was exotic compared to like I mean, I'm talking

889
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:08,399
Speaker 2: about like the whitest like Southern Baptist Christian like white

890
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 2: people you've ever heard of in your life were in

891
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 2: this neighborhood, and so they all thought we were fucking heathens.

892
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 2: I know it, Like I know that. I mean it

893
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 2: was like you could feel it as kids, like you're like, oh,

894
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 2: these kids don't come to our house. You know, our

895
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 2: grandparents lived with us for a while. I mean that

896
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 2: was unheard of, like extended families in the same home.

897
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 2: Weird cooking smells like my parents had. You know, my

898
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 2: mom has a big accent still, my dad, my grandparents

899
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 2: barely spoke English. So it's kind of this thing where

900
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 2: it's like we were this like weird immigrant house in

901
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 2: the middle of a sea of white people. So we

902
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 2: did not hang out with those neighbors at all. Like

903
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 2: my parents were not friends with any of those people, right,

904
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:54,879
Speaker 2: So it's this thing where like if I was going

905
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 2: over to my friend's house, like they were not like

906
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 2: their parents and start really fucking with me, and I

907
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 2: wasn't fun. They didn't really know my parents at all.

908
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 2: So it was kind of like, and this entire movie

909
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 2: is about neighbors and having parties with neighbors and get

910
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 2: it and being so comfortable with your neighbors that you

911
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 2: would like fucking go home with them at some point.

912
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 2: And I just don't have those feelings about neighbors. I

913
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 2: didn't become friends with my neighbors until I was a

914
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 2: grown up and I was living in apartment complexes, and

915
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 2: then I would sort of wander out and hang out

916
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 2: with my neighbors, but we were I was an adult.

917
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: As a child, that never happened. Yeah, that was something

918
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: I feel like I didn't quite clock until this viewing.

919
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: Was just sort of the incestuous neighbor kind of shitting

920
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: where you eat aspect of like it's like your social life,

921
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: your sexual life, everything is within this type community. It's

922
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: like they're all there.

923
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like to my earlier point, you know, when

924
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 2: I was out in the burbs over the past couple

925
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 2: of weeks at these Halloween parties and stuff, we actually

926
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 2: went to this other Halloween party while I was out

927
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 2: there that was in a amazing neighborhood. I mean it

928
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 2: was like a fucking I mean these houses were brand

929
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 2: new construction, beautiful giant homes. I was like, holy fuck,

930
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 2: where am I?

931
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: Like heaven?

932
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 2: And the house that we went to was owned by,

933
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 2: you know, somebody that used to live downtown, an artist,

934
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 2: I would say, but has since moved to the verbs

935
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:30,879
Speaker 2: And I mean he had a built in big green

936
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 2: egg that was built into his deck. I was like,

937
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 2: that couldn't have been cheap, bro, Like, jeez, I mean

938
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 2: to have a custom big green egg anyway, that's either

939
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 2: here nor there. But the entire party was just the neighbors.

940
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 2: Like none of his like friends or work people had

941
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 2: come from downtown or anything. It was all their neighbors.

942
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:57,839
Speaker 2: And I was like, I can't imagine this. And they

943
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 2: were all like nothing like him, Like they were nothing

944
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 2: like him. They didn't have his job, they didn't have

945
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 2: his interest, they didn't have anything. And I was sitting

946
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 2: there going, damn, is this what it's like to live

947
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:11,879
Speaker 2: out in the burbs. You just hang out with like

948
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 2: randos that just happen to live next to you.

949
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want I think that's part of it. It's

950
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: kind of like going to a new school. It's like

951
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 1: you got to make all new friends. You know, if

952
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:23,879
Speaker 1: you move to this new neighborhood, you're far away from

953
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 1: your old friends. You got to make new ones with

954
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:27,399
Speaker 1: the people living next door, and you got to sleep

955
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: with your neighbor's wife and stuff. You know, it's crazy.

956
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: I feel like that's actually happened to me. I mean,

957
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,359
Speaker 1: I'm not out in the burbs. I'm in Minneapolis. But

958
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: we moved here after living in La We didn't. I mean,

959
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: I know some people from grade school in high school,

960
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 1: but mostly my new friends are my neighbors now no

961
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 1: key party yet, but well, but also were still I like.

962
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 2: My neighbors now, Like what the neighbors that I live

963
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 2: around now, like not in my new house, but in

964
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:57,399
Speaker 2: the house that I'm about to leave. I like him,

965
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 2: but I wouldn't like a definitely would not have a

966
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 2: key party with any of them. I mean, they're all

967
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 2: just like so different from me. So I just I

968
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 2: don't know. It's so strange, and I feel like that

969
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 2: is the thing about these types of movies that are

970
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 2: about the suburban experience is that it is the neighbor thing.

971
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 2: It is the kind of like upper crusty white like

972
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:22,839
Speaker 2: everyone's living in like Florida ceiling glass modern homes and

973
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,839
Speaker 2: they're all just like messing around with each other. And

974
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just crazy to me. But it's you know,

975
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 2: it's interesting because I want to talk about the Toby

976
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 2: Maguire character a little bit because he's sort of removed

977
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 2: from this world because he's away at school. Right.

978
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny. When I was doing the synopsis, I

979
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: did the whole synopsis and I forgot to talk about

980
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 1: him whatsoever. So I had to go back and kind

981
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: of insert him back into the story. Because he is

982
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:54,879
Speaker 1: so removed, it's easy to just kind of extricate him

983
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 1: from the situation.

984
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 2: What did you think of him? Because I when I

985
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 2: first saw this movie, I had a you know, I

986
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,879
Speaker 2: was like an okay tolerance for Toby Maguire. I guess

987
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 2: I didn't really know him very well. And then now

988
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 2: I'm seeing this movie again recently, I'm like, God, what

989
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 2: a little shitthead in this movie.

990
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,280
Speaker 1: Toby Maguire my celebrity enemy. You're talking about?

991
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:18,320
Speaker 2: Why is he your celebrity enemy?

992
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 1: So I've spoken about working at the restaurant in Venice

993
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: a lot. God, no, and he was a He was

994
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 1: a I worked at Intelligentsia on Abbot Kenney and Venice,

995
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 1: and I also worked at Jelina Takeaway on an Abbot

996
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 1: Kenney in Venice, and he came into both frequently. Well.

997
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 1: At Intelligentsia, he was there all the time, and he

998
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 1: was like, I think the biggest issue I had with

999
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:46,879
Speaker 1: him is that he treated everyone like they were we

1000
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 1: were his employees. Oh God. And he came up at

1001
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 1: Intelligencia and was like, listen, I don't have time to

1002
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: wait in this line every day, so I'm going to

1003
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 1: have to come straight to the register an orator. And

1004
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: we were like no, like, you have to wait in line.

1005
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 1: You can't just cut because you're Toby maguire, you know.

1006
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 1: So that was one offense. And then his assistant would

1007
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 1: call into orders all the time. So maybe I'm more

1008
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:15,839
Speaker 1: irritated with his assistant. But his assistant would call in

1009
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 1: with orders all the time, and he's vegan and she

1010
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,360
Speaker 1: would order something like this. She'd be like this is

1011
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 1: what She'd be like, this is an order for mister McGuire,

1012
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 1: and we'd be like, who she's like Toby McGuire. We're like, okay,

1013
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: what does that happen. I don't care, Like sure, who cares, right?

1014
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: And then she was like, uh, can we get the

1015
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 1: kale salad vegan style? And like I should say, vegan

1016
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:45,360
Speaker 1: style is not like something that we offer at the restaurant.

1017
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 1: It's not like a button you press that's like make

1018
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:50,800
Speaker 1: this vegan style, you know. So we have to be like, okay,

1019
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 1: so no cheese and she was like is there any

1020
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 1: other dairy or meet in it? And I was like

1021
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: I don't think so. And so we gave her the

1022
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 1: kale salad and had bread crumbs that had butter on it,

1023
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 1: which we didn't. I didn't. I forgot, yes, you know.

1024
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: And so there was there was always some issue. And

1025
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 1: the one time the assistant called us and was like,

1026
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: there were breadcrumbs on mister McGuire's salad and he's very

1027
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: upset with you, and this is going to be the

1028
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 1: last time this happens. Oh my god, you can't what

1029
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 1: do you mean you can't fire me? I don't work

1030
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: for you, Like, I'm sorry we put bread crumbs on there,

1031
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 1: but anyways, it's just annoying. Wow, that's why he's my

1032
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 1: celebrity enemy.

1033
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 2: This, I gotta tell you. Between intelligentsia and the restaurants.

1034
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 2: I feel like you're able to spill so much tea,

1035
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 2: so much celebrity tea.

1036
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 1: And I am I'm loathed too. I want to I

1037
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: want to talk about great celebrities like my pal Tony Goldwell,

1038
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: you know, but not everyone's Tony Goldwin. Anyways, what did

1039
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 1: I think about Toby McGuire in this I don't. I

1040
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 1: don't quite know what to make of his story line

1041
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: because the other stuff in this movie is so rich,

1042
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 1: and his feels more like he just wants to hook

1043
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 1: up with Katie Holmes aka Libbets Casey and he gets

1044
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 1: cock blocked by his annoying roommate David Crumholtz. Yeah, you know,

1045
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 1: what did you think about it?

1046
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 2: I mean, okay, let's let's get into this number one.

1047
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 2: I thought he was a little shit because, first of all,

1048
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 2: him and his roommate David Crumbholtz, of whom I'm a

1049
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 2: huge fan.

1050
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 1: I love David, Love gone on.

1051
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 2: Record many times loved David Crumbolds. They're both kind of stoners. Like,

1052
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 2: first of all, David Crumbholts is introduced into the movie.

1053
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 2: He's holding a giant bong and then he reveals that

1054
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 2: he put booze instead of water in the bong, and

1055
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 2: I was like, holy fuck, that would kill me dead

1056
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 2: as a person who has smoked a lot of weed

1057
00:58:57,040 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 2: in their life, and I actually love a bong taking

1058
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 2: bog rips.

1059
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 1: It's so fun. Uh.

1060
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 2: I think it's more trouble that it's worth at the

1061
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 2: end of the day, because then you have to like

1062
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 2: have a bog in your house and it's like, yeah,

1063
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 2: the bog water. If it's bills, you're dead. But the

1064
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 2: idea that he would put booze in there instead of

1065
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 2: I don't know, it just freaked me out.

1066
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, so these special concoction these

1067
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 1: are the type.

1068
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 2: Of loadies these guys are. Yeah. But the thing that

1069
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 2: I hated the most about the both of them was

1070
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 2: that they spoken at like old English or whatever, like

1071
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 2: they spoke like knights of the roundtable when they were stoned.

1072
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 1: And I'd be like, yeah, I think this this became

1073
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: like I think at the time that this came out,

1074
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 1: it wasn't as evil, but now I feel like in

1075
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 1: cells now speak that way, and so yeah, I mean

1076
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 1: it's like, uh, it's really annoying.

1077
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 2: I would not be able to hang out with those

1078
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 2: stoners for five seconds them talking like that, and I

1079
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 2: was like, what a bunch of dorks. So there was

1080
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 2: that and that's but also too, it was like a

1081
00:59:56,160 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 2: really quick way to like gather information about the Toby

1082
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 2: Maguire character, which is that he's just a dork. He's

1083
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 2: off doing his dorky stuff, reading his comic books. He's

1084
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 2: removed from his family for the most of the movie,

1085
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 2: but I think ends up becoming kind of a nice

1086
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 2: little outsider towards the end, like he kind of rejoins

1087
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 2: them at the end. And again, I guess that's why

1088
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 2: that quote that I read earlier is so interesting to me,

1089
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 2: because I sort of feel that way about my role

1090
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 2: in the family, which is that I'm always the one

1091
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 2: that's out. Like all my family live in the same neighborhood,

1092
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 2: they all live within walking distance from each other. They've

1093
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 2: always lived in the same state for the most part,

1094
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 2: and I was the only one that really wandered, like

1095
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 2: I went to California. You know. I've always kind of

1096
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 2: done my own thing, and so I don't know, in

1097
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 2: a way, I kind of feel like that's kind of

1098
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 2: what his character represents, is the one that is kind

1099
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 2: of like away from the chaos, like rejoins it once

1100
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 2: in a while to be like, huh, okay, interesting. I

1101
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 2: do like the relationship that he has with his sister,

1102
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 2: the Wendy, which is the Christina Ricci character, and they

1103
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 2: both call each other Charles.

1104
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is the base? Do you know what the

1105
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:17,480
Speaker 1: basis for that is? So?

1106
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 2: I tried to Google this about a hundred times and

1107
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 2: it was really just coming up with like anecdotal info

1108
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 2: at best. But I don't know. I said it was

1109
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 2: an inside joke that might have had something to do

1110
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 2: with Charles Nelson Riley, but I don't really know. That's all.

1111
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 2: That's all I if you know better Dear Movies at

1112
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 2: exactly rightmedia dot com. But I thought it was really

1113
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 2: funny that they did that and kind of cute.

1114
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 1: That was funny. I did like that, But.

1115
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was, uh, I gotta tell you, Libbitts. This

1116
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 2: is like a joke that happens throughout the movie, the

1117
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 2: idea of a Libbitts. There's a girl, a rich girl

1118
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 2: played by Katie Holmes that's named Libbitts, and everyone's like, libbts,

1119
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 2: what kind of name is that? I was deeply concerned

1120
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 2: for her. Though at that little.

1121
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:04,840
Speaker 1: Party that they had where she passes out in Toby

1122
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 1: McGuire's lamp.

1123
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I was like, I don't know about this kid,

1124
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 2: so but no spoiler alert. I'll be happy to spoil this.

1125
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 2: He nothing happens, He does not sa her at all,

1126
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 2: which is great.

1127
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 1: No. No, I not that I related to Tobe McGuire's situation,

1128
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 1: but I feel like I've been in that situation where

1129
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I've got a crush on this girl,

1130
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 1: and I'm looking forward to this event where maybe we'll

1131
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 1: get some alone time and one of my fucking friends

1132
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 1: is all of a sudden stand up comedian and is

1133
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 1: like not budding out, And that was a I feel

1134
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:47,120
Speaker 1: like I remember that feeling from middle school in high

1135
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 1: school pretty clearly. Anyways, Uh, should we get to the

1136
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 1: key party? Let's go key party? All right. It's the

1137
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 1: night of the ice storm and Elena and Ben attend

1138
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 1: at a Thanksgiving party, but this year it's a key party.

1139
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 1: At first, she scandalized, but Elena wants to punish Ben,

1140
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 1: so she throws their keys in the bowl, much to

1141
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:17,919
Speaker 1: Ben's horror, and Ben gets drunk and then he also

1142
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 1: gets dumped by Jane, the Sigourney Weaver character, because he's

1143
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 1: just annoying, and Janey at the key party ends up

1144
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 1: going off with some young stud and when that happens, Ben,

1145
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 1: who's like drunk, jumps up and is like, wait a second,

1146
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:37,440
Speaker 1: and that kind of alerts everybody. Oh, these two were fucking,

1147
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 1: so that's very embarrassing, and he blacks out in the bathroom.

1148
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 1: And this leaves behind Elena and Sigourney Weaver's husband Jim,

1149
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 1: who's like the scientist who's played by the Jamie by

1150
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 1: Jamie Sheridan. Those who are the only ones left behind

1151
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 1: Elena and Jim, and they decide to take a drive

1152
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 1: together and they end up having one of the most awkward,

1153
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 1: horrible sex scenes committed to film, and uh, it's horrible.

1154
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 1: So they decided to go home. And yeah, we already

1155
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:14,440
Speaker 1: covered the Toby maguire stuff cock blocked by David Crumholtz,

1156
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 1: but lots of mess in this little suburban neighborhood. No good.

1157
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:20,919
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1158
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 1: Alison Janney's there though, and she's looking good.

1159
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 2: Yeah I say. I personally wrote in the notes that

1160
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:29,440
Speaker 2: she looks fucking incredible in this movie. She's kind of

1161
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 2: like the hostess with the Moses. Yeah, and that has

1162
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:36,640
Speaker 2: a great dress on. But yeah, that key party.

1163
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 1: Wow.

1164
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 2: Is perhaps this is going to be two in the

1165
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:46,560
Speaker 2: weeds or maybe two personal. But I think about this

1166
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 2: a lot in the sense that like having going to

1167
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:56,440
Speaker 2: a key party requires requires the sort of like baseline

1168
01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 2: attraction to or maybe uh, you know, a willingness to

1169
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:07,680
Speaker 2: sleep with someone in a group that you're affiliated with.

1170
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 2: And I find that very hard, Like I don't ever

1171
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:17,680
Speaker 2: want to sleep with like my friends or my coworkers

1172
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 2: or my neighbors. I feel like I'm that's too close

1173
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 2: for comforts. I feel like if I'm just a very

1174
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 2: much outside of the group kind of girl when it

1175
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 2: comes to things of this nature, Like I don't want

1176
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 2: to make things weird. And I also just don't find

1177
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:43,160
Speaker 2: like myself attracted to people that I just am around

1178
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 2: in normal circums. I don't know, I'm just sort of like, yeah,

1179
01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:48,120
Speaker 2: I don't know, I think that certain people are cute,

1180
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 2: But when I like go home with like somebody that

1181
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 2: I sort of know, like that, no, I mean that's crazy.

1182
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 1: I mean it is insane. I also think it's sort

1183
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 1: of speaks to a larger societal thing at the time

1184
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 1: where it's like the family unit is like such a

1185
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:09,600
Speaker 1: strong structure at that time that it's kind of fun

1186
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 1: to play games to put it at risk because it's

1187
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:16,600
Speaker 1: never really at risk in a way. Like I don't

1188
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:18,560
Speaker 1: think any of these men think their women are going

1189
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 1: to ask for divorces based off this key part or

1190
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 1: like even socioeconomically, it's like this isn't going to ruin

1191
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 1: them if they sleep with someone they know, you know,

1192
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:33,920
Speaker 1: Whereas like nowadays, I feel like people wouldn't do this

1193
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 1: because like an unhappy spouse would just be like I'm

1194
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 1: getting a divorce instead of just like eating this, like

1195
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:45,320
Speaker 1: eating it, yes, and like living with this or like

1196
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:49,480
Speaker 1: like the risk is just too high now for people

1197
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:53,680
Speaker 1: to like toy around with like their lives like this.

1198
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:55,960
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, I mean, just does that make sense?

1199
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:58,960
Speaker 2: Would just be like mad awkward, Like I don't know,

1200
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 2: even if you go to a work Christmas party or

1201
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:04,439
Speaker 2: something like that and people get wasted. I would never

1202
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 2: like sneak off with some I just wouldn't. I know myself,

1203
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 2: I just know myself. I want more out of life.

1204
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:14,920
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna, like, you know, go home with like

1205
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:17,960
Speaker 2: one of my coworkers who's like just like some merry

1206
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 2: dude or whatever. That's just so fucking weird. But anyway,

1207
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 2: apparently in the seventies it was a thing, and there

1208
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:27,800
Speaker 2: was so there was a lot of like the whole

1209
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:32,080
Speaker 2: a fair scenario between the Joan Allen character and the

1210
01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:34,360
Speaker 2: Kevin Klein character that kind of comes to light all

1211
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:37,360
Speaker 2: at once, really like towards the end of this movie,

1212
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 2: which is that basically it's like right before they leave

1213
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:42,480
Speaker 2: for the key party, that's when she really finds out

1214
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:45,160
Speaker 2: that he had been having an affair with Janeye. And

1215
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:48,480
Speaker 2: his tell was so stupid, right because it was like,

1216
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:53,400
Speaker 2: obviously he was sitting around waiting for Jane Akaa Sigourney

1217
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 2: Weaver character to come back from her birth control run,

1218
01:07:56,880 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 2: which she never did. And basically he at some point

1219
01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 2: gets dressed and catches his daughter down in the basement

1220
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:08,360
Speaker 2: with Mikey, right, So then they come home, he's getting

1221
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:11,000
Speaker 2: ready for the party, the Key party, and then she's

1222
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:15,960
Speaker 2: like he kind of like stupidly recounts the He's like, oh,

1223
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:16,439
Speaker 2: by the way, I.

1224
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 1: Was like, I caught Wendy with Mikey in the basement

1225
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:20,800
Speaker 1: at Jane's house. Can you believe it.

1226
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, And she's like, well, why were you in their house?

1227
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:26,559
Speaker 1: And his excuse, Yeah, I wrote this in my duds too.

1228
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:29,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, this was your lie. He's like, oh, I

1229
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:32,960
Speaker 1: had to return a coffee mug that Jim left at

1230
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 1: our house. What And she's like, oh, the mustache one.

1231
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:39,719
Speaker 1: And he's like yeah, but she was like clearly making

1232
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:42,640
Speaker 1: that up, like there was no mustache one or it was.

1233
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:45,679
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it's like, what do you mean

1234
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:48,880
Speaker 1: you're returning? Why would Jim have brought a coffee mug

1235
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 1: over to your house? And why did you need to return?

1236
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 1: It was like such a weird lie that he just

1237
01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:59,120
Speaker 1: like spouted off immediately. I don't know.

1238
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:04,200
Speaker 2: It's like his cadence in this scene, particularly because the

1239
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:07,120
Speaker 2: entire movie, Kevin Klein has this like weird way of speaking.

1240
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 2: I mean, it is probably like an old way of speaking, uh,

1241
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:13,679
Speaker 2: but it's very proper. It's very white guy. It's basically

1242
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:15,919
Speaker 2: he comes across as being like this kind of snobby,

1243
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:19,080
Speaker 2: proper dude. And in this scene in particular, he's like

1244
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:22,040
Speaker 2: brushing his teeth and his boxers and he's basically like, well,

1245
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 2: I showed them, you know, blah, blah blah blah, and

1246
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:26,479
Speaker 2: she's just like, what a fucking idiot, Like, you're an

1247
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:30,360
Speaker 2: idiot that just you told on yourself you're having an affair.

1248
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:33,040
Speaker 2: Now we're going to this key party and guess what, bitch,

1249
01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:36,599
Speaker 2: those keys are going in the goddamn bowl and you're

1250
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 2: gonna be a drunken idiot.

1251
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 1: Which he didn't seem that concerned about getting caught. It

1252
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:45,960
Speaker 1: was very fast and loose.

1253
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know we're coming towards the end of the film. Yes,

1254
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 2: I have so much to say about this ending because

1255
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:55,720
Speaker 2: a lot of like weird things sort of happened. Yeah,

1256
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:57,920
Speaker 2: at the same time, but uh, let's get like you

1257
01:09:57,920 --> 01:09:58,719
Speaker 2: want to talk about.

1258
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:01,880
Speaker 1: Anim Yes, I do, Okay. So it's that same night

1259
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:05,240
Speaker 1: Mikey played by Elijah Wood, decides he wants to also

1260
01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:07,960
Speaker 1: Elijah Wood's character. He is like out to lunch in

1261
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 1: a way that other characters are not. Like people call

1262
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:12,360
Speaker 1: him a stoner, but he doesn't seem like a stoner.

1263
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:15,360
Speaker 1: It seems like he just is like lost in thought.

1264
01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, he's a dreamer or yeah.

1265
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 2: He doesn't smoke weed at all, right.

1266
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:22,320
Speaker 1: Any and he has like kind of a bizarre way

1267
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:24,840
Speaker 1: of thinking and speaking like he's like, I want to

1268
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:27,360
Speaker 1: go out into the ice storm because when it gets cold,

1269
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:30,760
Speaker 1: molecules stop moving and I'll be able to breathe with

1270
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:34,040
Speaker 1: no molecules. It's some weird like speech he kind of

1271
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:37,000
Speaker 1: gives of why he's going out into the ice storm.

1272
01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:39,840
Speaker 1: But anyways, he decides to explore outside while it's raining

1273
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:43,160
Speaker 1: and freezing, and Wendy comes over to their house while

1274
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:46,160
Speaker 1: he's gone, and she and Sandy get naked in bed

1275
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:50,840
Speaker 1: together and drink alcohol, and so Mikey Elijah Wood is

1276
01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:54,320
Speaker 1: outside taking in all the beauty and he finds a

1277
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:57,280
Speaker 1: downed power line and he's sitting on this metal guard

1278
01:10:57,439 --> 01:11:00,799
Speaker 1: rail and the down power line touches the metal guardrail

1279
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:05,400
Speaker 1: that he's sitting on and he dies instantly, and his

1280
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:09,040
Speaker 1: body just sort of slides down the icy road. At

1281
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:12,240
Speaker 1: this time, Ben Kevin Klein. He sobers up and drives

1282
01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 1: home and he discovers Mikey dead in the road. He

1283
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:18,040
Speaker 1: scoops him up and drives him to his house, to

1284
01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 1: the Sheridan's house, and Wendy is already there, you know,

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Speaker 1: she went over to get naked with Sandy, and Elayne

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Speaker 1: is there because Jim was driving her home, so Ben

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01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:31,000
Speaker 1: brings the dead body of Jim's son to him, and

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01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:33,960
Speaker 1: the movie ends with the whole Hood family picking up

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01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:37,559
Speaker 1: Paul Toby maguire from the train station when he's coming

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01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:40,000
Speaker 1: back from New York, and Kevin Kline just sort of

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Speaker 1: breaks down and starts crying on the steering wheel and

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Speaker 1: he looks at Toby McGuire in the rear view mirror.

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01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:50,439
Speaker 1: There was I was really touched this time. And maybe

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Speaker 1: it is because I have a child that I have

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Speaker 1: to carry around a lot, but I just there's two instances,

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Speaker 1: and two very touching instances I felt like were inclined

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Speaker 1: carries children. One is when Christina Ricci just got caught

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Speaker 1: fooling around with Mikey in the basement's Kevin Clein's yelling

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Speaker 1: at her and then he's like are your feet cold?

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01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:13,360
Speaker 1: And he's like, you want me to carry you? And

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01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:15,439
Speaker 1: it's like in that moment, she's a little girl again.

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Speaker 1: He carries her home lovingly, and then he also carries

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01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:22,280
Speaker 1: the dead body of Mikey, you know, back to the house,

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01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:26,280
Speaker 1: and I don't really know what that's saying, but there's

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Speaker 1: something about, you know, the parents still having to carry

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Speaker 1: these children despite you know, these are still children that

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Speaker 1: need to be cared for. And I was just very

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Speaker 1: touched by both of those instances that of been carrying

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Speaker 1: these children to safety, and yeah, that was just something

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01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:47,160
Speaker 1: that really affected me this on this watch.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it made me think about a lot of things,

1312
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:53,160
Speaker 2: you know, like about my own dad. And I was like,

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Speaker 2: my parents were just at my house fairly recently because

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Speaker 2: they're helping me with my new house, and I just

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01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:04,320
Speaker 2: kept thinking about how I'm really really lucky to have

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01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:08,080
Speaker 2: good parents that care about me and are willing to

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Speaker 2: drive up from Florida to like help me out. They

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Speaker 2: helped hate my house, Are you kidding me? They're in

1319
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 2: their seventies and they were on ladders and they were

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01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:19,800
Speaker 2: helping me, and I was like, you know, my dad

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01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:21,519
Speaker 2: was that kind of dad like when I was growing up,

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01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:23,519
Speaker 2: Like he would carry me, like if my feet were

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01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:25,600
Speaker 2: hurting and we were at Disney World, he would let me.

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01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:28,240
Speaker 2: He'd give me a piggyback ride. And that really like

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01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:31,000
Speaker 2: reminded me of him. That like that whole scene. But

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Speaker 2: it's also kind of again the theme of the movie,

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01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:36,000
Speaker 2: which is largely that like the kids and the parents

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01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:39,840
Speaker 2: are the same they're going through the same struggles in

1329
01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:42,400
Speaker 2: weird ways, Like everybody's just trying to figure it out,

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01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:46,679
Speaker 2: because essentially, the Kevin Klein character and that Christina Riccie

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01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:49,280
Speaker 2: character are in the same house pretty much under the

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01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:53,200
Speaker 2: same circumstances, you know, for the most part. And this

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01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:54,919
Speaker 2: is actually like a weird callback.

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Speaker 1: But when.

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01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:03,800
Speaker 2: Christina ricci and Sandy character the brother Mikey's brother, are

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Speaker 2: in the house during the ice storm by themselves, and

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01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:10,920
Speaker 2: they go into his room, they get into his little

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01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:14,040
Speaker 2: twin bed and they start drinking the vodka that was

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01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:17,720
Speaker 2: left there by Kevin Klein when he was about to

1340
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:21,479
Speaker 2: have his affair with the mall with Jane with Sigourney Weaver.

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01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:24,160
Speaker 2: And I'm like, they didn't he didn't think to bring

1342
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:27,439
Speaker 2: the vodka bottle and glass out.

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01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:30,720
Speaker 1: Of the kid's bedroom. Yeah, well, I just think that's

1344
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:32,280
Speaker 1: like sort of part of the movie. It's like this

1345
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:35,800
Speaker 1: lack of thoughtfulness about their own children. It's like they're

1346
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:40,000
Speaker 1: so into their own bullshit that they're not really thinking

1347
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:41,120
Speaker 1: about the kids, you know.

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01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:44,519
Speaker 2: And then also the seventies were so wild that you

1349
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:47,240
Speaker 2: would like smoke in a kid's room and leave an

1350
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:51,479
Speaker 2: ashtray there and like, you know, leave booze out for

1351
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:54,600
Speaker 2: people like wherever anyway, and they end up drinking it

1352
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:57,960
Speaker 2: and get drunk, which is interesting. I want to talk

1353
01:14:58,000 --> 01:14:59,519
Speaker 2: about Sandy briefly too.

1354
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:04,439
Speaker 1: Because yeah, he's a weird, kind of creepy character. Maybe

1355
01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:06,680
Speaker 1: not creepy is the right word, but like he has

1356
01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:09,840
Speaker 1: kind of a violent streak. He loves blowing things up,

1357
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:12,880
Speaker 1: he loves like military and artillery.

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01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:16,360
Speaker 2: I'm saying, I don't know, I think creepy might be right.

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01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:18,320
Speaker 2: I mean I was like, he's he's going to grow

1360
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:19,760
Speaker 2: up to be an in cell or some kind of

1361
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:23,240
Speaker 2: weird shooter, right, Am I wrong about that?

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01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:25,360
Speaker 1: I mean it sort of feels like he has this

1363
01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:29,640
Speaker 1: violent streak or this violent obsession.

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01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:32,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think that's the interesting thing about Christina

1365
01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:35,080
Speaker 2: Ritchie being sort of interested in both the brothers is

1366
01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:37,639
Speaker 2: that they're just so different, and I think she's at

1367
01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:39,920
Speaker 2: some point going, I don't know, both of them seem

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01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 2: weird and fucked up, and I kind of like, yeah,

1369
01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:44,840
Speaker 2: they're you know, I don't care. I don't have an

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01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:48,320
Speaker 2: allegiance to one or the other. I think, yeah, which

1371
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:50,599
Speaker 2: is really interesting. I mean, obviously, I think her character

1372
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:53,280
Speaker 2: is super super interesting and she's like my favorite in

1373
01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 2: this movie. Like she plays that really well, Like she

1374
01:15:56,479 --> 01:15:59,680
Speaker 2: plays that character really well. So I don't think she

1375
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:01,080
Speaker 2: gets an credit for this movie.

1376
01:16:01,080 --> 01:16:04,400
Speaker 1: To be honest, I love Christina Ricci. I she's still

1377
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:06,759
Speaker 1: working a lot, you know, but I don't think she's

1378
01:16:07,240 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 1: cast in as meaty of roles as she was cast

1379
01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:12,240
Speaker 1: for the this movie.

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Speaker 2: You know, Okay, Well, is there anything else about the

1381
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:20,600
Speaker 2: Ice Storm that we I mean, there's so much to

1382
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:22,400
Speaker 2: talk about. I know we didn't get to everything.

1383
01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:27,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, something I just appreciated on this watch

1384
01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:31,840
Speaker 1: is that it's a movie that takes its time and

1385
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:37,040
Speaker 1: it makes it's sort of a dreamy, bizarre movie at times,

1386
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:41,040
Speaker 1: Like characters do little ticks, Like I was thinking about

1387
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:44,559
Speaker 1: Sandy just taking his like little rifleman action figure and

1388
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:46,920
Speaker 1: like pointing at someone and going like pew pew pew,

1389
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:53,080
Speaker 1: and it's like kind of slow and strange. But I

1390
01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:58,160
Speaker 1: really appreciated those little flourishes in this movie on this watch,

1391
01:16:58,160 --> 01:16:58,599
Speaker 1: I agree.

1392
01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:01,200
Speaker 2: And there's also like scenes where like one scene moves

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01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:03,600
Speaker 2: into another where like a character is looking at the

1394
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:05,759
Speaker 2: window and then the scene ends, and then the next

1395
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:10,120
Speaker 2: scene begins with a character looking out a window, So

1396
01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:13,280
Speaker 2: there's a lot of ties in between scenes. And honestly,

1397
01:17:13,439 --> 01:17:18,040
Speaker 2: really I really feel like you can't not talk about

1398
01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:20,759
Speaker 2: Onley as a director when it comes to this movie,

1399
01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:24,439
Speaker 2: because I think that, you know, it's interesting that he

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01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:29,439
Speaker 2: is Taiwanese. He was you know, basically born and raised there,

1401
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:35,439
Speaker 2: but he has made some very American themed films. I mean,

1402
01:17:35,479 --> 01:17:39,800
Speaker 2: he made Broke Broke Back Mountain and obviously The Ice Storm.

1403
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:43,000
Speaker 2: I just think it's an interesting idea when somebody who

1404
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:47,519
Speaker 2: is like foreign born kind of comes into America and

1405
01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:51,040
Speaker 2: makes it a very American film about a very American

1406
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:54,400
Speaker 2: time and place right well, and like two. I mean,

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01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:57,160
Speaker 2: I think that obviously his Asian filmmaking influences, like he

1408
01:17:57,200 --> 01:17:59,800
Speaker 2: talks about Ozoo, I feel like that kind of comes

1409
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:02,960
Speaker 2: through in this movie and also some of his other films.

1410
01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:05,920
Speaker 2: A lot of his collaborations with James Shamou are like

1411
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:10,360
Speaker 2: about sexual repression in a lot of ways. Like if

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01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:12,799
Speaker 2: you think about like Leuss Caution and Broke Back Mountain

1413
01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:15,160
Speaker 2: obviously and things like that, you're like, you know, there's

1414
01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:18,080
Speaker 2: this movie is about sexual repression and sort of like

1415
01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:21,560
Speaker 2: what happens especially in this era where like everybody is

1416
01:18:22,439 --> 01:18:24,519
Speaker 2: the messaging is like, oh, now we're all free to

1417
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:27,519
Speaker 2: do what we want. But you know, sometimes old habits

1418
01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:30,320
Speaker 2: die hard, or you just don't know how to navigate

1419
01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:35,200
Speaker 2: it because it's something you were never used to. But

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01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:38,560
Speaker 2: I like that about the director. I like the screenplay.

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01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:40,479
Speaker 2: I mean, I just think this movie is just such

1422
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:45,479
Speaker 2: a gem, and there's just so many little things to

1423
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:49,519
Speaker 2: notice about it, and I just love noticing them each time.

1424
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:52,479
Speaker 2: Every time I watch it, I see something different that

1425
01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:54,640
Speaker 2: I never noticed. By the way, the thing that I

1426
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:57,439
Speaker 2: noticed this time, And one thing I wanted to ask

1427
01:18:57,479 --> 01:19:01,840
Speaker 2: you was did your parents ever own a water Never

1428
01:19:02,479 --> 01:19:03,240
Speaker 2: my parents did.

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01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:05,800
Speaker 1: I always think of that scene in Edwards Scissor Hands

1430
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:09,439
Speaker 1: where he puts his hands into the waterbed and the

1431
01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:13,000
Speaker 1: water shoots out. I don't think I've ever laid upon

1432
01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:15,160
Speaker 1: a water out. Do they still make them?

1433
01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:17,559
Speaker 2: I mean, in fact, I think that they there's some

1434
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 2: kind of like insurance thing. You're not allowed to have

1435
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:22,719
Speaker 2: them anymore. If you're a renter, you're definitely not allowed

1436
01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:26,240
Speaker 2: to have them. They are the fucking worst. I mean,

1437
01:19:26,240 --> 01:19:28,680
Speaker 2: my parents had a fucking waterbed forever, and I was like,

1438
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:33,360
Speaker 2: this is such crazy shit, Like that is so it

1439
01:19:33,439 --> 01:19:36,760
Speaker 2: is not comfortable at all, and also just it was

1440
01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:39,040
Speaker 2: always leaking and had a refill it. I mean it

1441
01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:40,360
Speaker 2: was like a fucking nightmare.

1442
01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:40,920
Speaker 1: Jesus.

1443
01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:43,320
Speaker 2: Anyway, Yeah, well that's the ice.

1444
01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:56,280
Speaker 1: Storm, right, the ice storm. Fabulous? All right, Moving on

1445
01:19:56,360 --> 01:19:58,840
Speaker 1: to employees picks. This is a film recommendation based on

1446
01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:01,679
Speaker 1: the theme of the discussion Millie era.

1447
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:05,040
Speaker 2: Well, my employee pick is pretty obvious if you know me.

1448
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:10,639
Speaker 2: It is nineteen eighties Ordinary People that was directed by

1449
01:20:11,479 --> 01:20:16,040
Speaker 2: Robert Redford, starring Timothy Hutton, who was my huge crush

1450
01:20:16,400 --> 01:20:19,479
Speaker 2: back in my childhood days. But I wanted to pick

1451
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:23,400
Speaker 2: something that is a classic but also about It's like

1452
01:20:23,439 --> 01:20:28,639
Speaker 2: a tense family drama about white people in sweaters, and

1453
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:36,320
Speaker 2: it's the fall and cold mothers.

1454
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:38,240
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know.

1455
01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:40,760
Speaker 2: I mean I feel like there's some similarities here. If

1456
01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:43,840
Speaker 2: you've not seen Ordinary People, I really encourage it. I

1457
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:47,240
Speaker 2: just think it's it's such a good movie. Timothy Hutton

1458
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:51,080
Speaker 2: is he won an Oscar. I mean, I think he

1459
01:20:51,200 --> 01:20:54,680
Speaker 2: was totally worth it because he's really good in it.

1460
01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:58,599
Speaker 1: And yeah, that's one of my favorite movies me too.

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01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:03,439
Speaker 1: I love Ordinary People. Mary Tyler Moore is incredible. I

1462
01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:07,000
Speaker 1: can't believe she didn't have a bigger movie acting career

1463
01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:13,400
Speaker 1: because she's so unbelievable, a powerhouse in that movie. I

1464
01:21:13,439 --> 01:21:16,679
Speaker 1: love that film so much. Good and it's a good.

1465
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:19,439
Speaker 1: It is a It would be a good double feature

1466
01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:22,360
Speaker 1: with the Ice Storm, a bummer double feature, but it

1467
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:25,719
Speaker 1: would be they would fit together nicely on the same build.

1468
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:27,759
Speaker 2: I'd have that Bleak Week with you if you wanted

1469
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:28,200
Speaker 2: to do it.

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01:21:28,200 --> 01:21:33,920
Speaker 1: It Bleak Week my film recommendation. Maybe I've recommended this

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01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:39,080
Speaker 1: already and it's I'm not like psyched about this recommendation,

1472
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:41,720
Speaker 1: but I think it works. I mean, I'm psyched about

1473
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:43,840
Speaker 1: the movie. It's my favorite movie of all time. But

1474
01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:48,519
Speaker 1: I'm gonna recommend Blue Velvet from nineteen eighty six, just

1475
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:53,639
Speaker 1: for you know, white people. You think, yeah, know what's

1476
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:57,160
Speaker 1: going on on the surface, But there's this whole creepy,

1477
01:21:57,560 --> 01:22:03,040
Speaker 1: dark underworld that you have no idea. And that's why

1478
01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:05,639
Speaker 1: I'm recommending Blue Velvet from nineteen eighty six.

1479
01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:09,959
Speaker 2: Another creepy dark haired boy.

1480
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:11,720
Speaker 1: Another creepy dark haired boy.

1481
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:12,360
Speaker 2: I love them.

1482
01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:18,120
Speaker 1: I love them, can't get enough of them. All right, Well,

1483
01:22:18,479 --> 01:22:22,200
Speaker 1: all right, that's it, Milly, that's our show. We went

1484
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:26,200
Speaker 1: hard in the paint for the ice storm and it

1485
01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:26,719
Speaker 1: was great.

1486
01:22:27,040 --> 01:22:31,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, and listen if you are looking for some film advice,

1487
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:35,760
Speaker 2: if you want to resolve your film gripe, if you

1488
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:39,360
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1489
01:22:39,960 --> 01:22:44,120
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1490
01:22:44,160 --> 01:22:46,519
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1491
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:49,080
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1492
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:51,960
Speaker 2: have to record on your phone in the notesap or

1493
01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:55,200
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1494
01:22:55,240 --> 01:22:58,000
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Speaker 1: That's right, And you can follow us on our socials

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Speaker 1: at Deer Movies I Love You on Instagram and Facebook.

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Speaker 1: You on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you

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Speaker 1: get your podcasts and rate and review our show. Next week, yes,

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Speaker 1: no show, no show, nope, hiatus. But after that, yeah,

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Speaker 1: after that, it's gonna be crazy. It's gonna be real crazy,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be nuts.

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk about David Fincher's Zodiac from two

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Speaker 2: thousand and seven, which I am so excited about.

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen this since I saw it in theaters.

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Speaker 2: I haven't seen it since I rode my bike to

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Speaker 2: see it at the New Beverly Cinema in Hollywood, California.

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Speaker 1: You rode your bike to see it at the New beveroum.

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Speaker 2: I didn't like it live too far. It's like above Melrose,

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Speaker 2: so I was like, Oh, I'm going to ride my bike.

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Speaker 2: But then on the way home it was like midnight,

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Speaker 2: and I was like, I don't want to ride my

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Speaker 2: bike alone after seeing Zodiac.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because the Zodiac Killer would kill you.

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Speaker 2: But it was great. It was a great screening and

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Speaker 2: I can't wait to watch it again.

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Speaker 1: So fabulous. Well, thank you Millie for talking about the

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Speaker 1: ice storm. It was a delight. I feel like we

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Speaker 1: could have gone another seventeen hours.

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Speaker 2: We definitely could have, And I'm going to need my

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Speaker 2: keys back, so.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's gotta go find your Hoby.

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Speaker 2: I don't know where he is anyway. Bye everybody, Bye.

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Speaker 2: This has been an exactly right production hosted by me

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Speaker 2: Millie to Cherico and produced by my co host Casey O'Brien.

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Speaker 1: This episode was mixed by Tom Bryfogel. Our associate producer

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Speaker 1: is Christina Chamberlain, our guest booker is Patrick Cottner, and

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Speaker 1: our artwork is by Vanessa Lilac.

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Speaker 2: Our incredible theme music is by the best band in

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Speaker 2: the entire world, The Softies.

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Speaker 1: Thank you to our executive producers Karen Kilgareff, Georgia hard Stark,

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Speaker 1: Daniel Kramer and Millie.

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Speaker 2: To Jerico, we love you, goodbye, Beca