1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: Hey guys, Steve, here, you are listening to one of 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: our original twenty six episodes. If you've listened to any 3 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: of our new episodes, you're gonna notice that we're sounding 4 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: a little different in these ones. Yeah, there's a reason 5 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: for that. There is they've been remastered. They have been 6 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 1: remastered because they had a really annoying hum. Yeah, I 7 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: mean huge thanks to listener James for doing almost all 8 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: of the legwork on this thing. 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I'm Devin, I'm Steve, I'm Joe, and 18 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: uh we're going to talk about a mystery. I know 19 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: it's I love a mystery. The mystery I want to 20 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: talk about is a mystery artifact mysterious artifact. Mystery. It's 21 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: a mystery artifactor, it's also mysterious, also mysterious. Yeah, so 22 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: let's just get started in nineteen thirty eight, because I 23 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: can't say it the Bagdad Museum, the German director of 24 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 1: the National Museum of Iraq, either unearthed this artifact during 25 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 1: an excavation near Baghdad or found it in the basement 26 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: of the Bagdad Museum. That's kind of what I how 27 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: I understand it is he just found it laying around 28 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: the museum care He claims that he found it on 29 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: an excavation, but it seems like he may have just 30 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: found it in the basement. I think he found it 31 00:01:58,240 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: in the basement. I'll tell you. I'll tell you why 32 00:01:59,920 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: I think so little later on. Right, So, this mysterious 33 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: artifact is a terra cotta pot that's about five inches 34 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: tall and the mouth of it is one and a 35 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: half inches. It contains a copper cylinder made of like 36 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: a rolled up copper sheet, and it houses a single 37 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 1: iron rod isolated from the copper by an asphalt plug 38 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: or a stopper. They call it a stopper two and 39 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: the rod and cylinder fits snugly into the opening of 40 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: the jar and then and the jar is, as Joe 41 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: said when we were talking about this earlier, kind of 42 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: shaped like a hand grenade. It bulges out at the edges. 43 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:41,519 Speaker 1: It's not straight up and down or it's not cylindrical. 44 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: It's not a cylinder. It had bulges, and it's not 45 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: water tight. So if the jar were filled with liquid, 46 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: everything would be surrounded, including the rod. Oh, everything goes 47 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: into the rod and submerged. Huh. Initially they dated these 48 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: objects to objects to be about two thousand years old, 49 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 1: which would put it in like two hundred and fifty 50 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: BCE to two hundred and fifty CE. Okay, common era 51 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: and before common era. So okay, so anybody's wondering, and 52 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: they're called the bag Dad batteries, well because they're pretty 53 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 1: sure they're the first instance of batteries. Weird. So yeah, 54 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: and so that's what they ran their iPods off of. 55 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 1: I assume, yeah, pretty much. Yeah. No, So they did 56 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: actually conduct an electrical current, which is kind of interesting. 57 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: The copper and iron, they form what's called an electrochemical couple, 58 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: so that if any kind of electrolyte containing liquid were 59 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: exposed to them, they would make an electric charge, a 60 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: voltage of some kind. I think they did some experiments 61 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: so like reconstructing those they got one point one volts 62 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: out of them. I think, yeah, they actually they reproduced these. 63 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: They did a couple of reproductions of these, because obviously 64 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: you don't test it in like the two thousand year 65 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: old pots. Yeah, that seems like a yeah. And they 66 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: filled it with grape juice, which is apparently has a 67 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: lot of electrolytes in it. Well, yeah, so why not 68 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: because they thought grape juice. Also, they had grape juice 69 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: back then, so it'd be a pretty good representation of 70 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: something they might have used. And it produced two vaults 71 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: with the grape juice, which is, you know, not a lot, 72 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 1: but it's something, it's some kind of it's a charge 73 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: of some kind. So, you know, one of the big 74 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 1: questions that people have about this is how could ancient 75 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: Persian science have kind of grasped the ideas of electricity? 76 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: But I think really the best answer to that is 77 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 1: you don't really have to know how something works to 78 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 1: know that it works. Oh well, that's how a lot 79 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: of things in history have discovered. Is you go, oh, 80 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: look at that. I have no idea but it totally 81 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: works every time, it works reliably, So I think that 82 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: we can just kind of ignore that question in my 83 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: mind at least. Well, that sort of begs the question. 84 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 1: I mean, it could have been, it could have produced 85 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 1: electric current, but is what do you do with it? 86 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: That is exactly yes, yeah, well do you deal with it? 87 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: So there are a lot of theories on this. One 88 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 1: suggestion was painkilling Greeks from you know again but way 89 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: before this time, we talk about the pain killing attributes 90 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: of electrical fish, like electrical eels, et cetera. If they 91 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: were in pain, they would use those and it would 92 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: help dull the pain apparently. And that's kind of like 93 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: when you when you've got you know, if you've ever 94 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: gone to a chiropractor and you have back problems, they'll 95 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: put a little electrodes on your back and run a 96 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 1: little current through you to help ease things off. I 97 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: think it relaxes your muscles. Yeah, if you've got something 98 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: that's not in tense and that that extra current seems 99 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: to make it let go and relax and then yeahhard 100 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: so much. Yeah. Actually, they actually make like portable versions 101 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: of those two like this, Like old family friend of 102 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: my parents years ago. He had serious back issues, I 103 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: mean really bad, and so he actually had this this 104 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:57,359 Speaker 1: little pack that he carried around with him and it 105 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: was wired into it, you know, and it was back 106 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 1: and it was like he could just you know, I 107 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: just feeling a little pain, you could just turn it 108 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: up a little bit, you know. And I was like, 109 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 1: and I asked him about it. I said, is it like, 110 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: would you say, kind of addictive? I mean, when you 111 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 1: crank that thing, you know, does it really feel awesome? 112 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: And he says, yeah, it kind of does. Yeah, But 113 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: by any way, we're getting way up. But I mean 114 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: it shows that, you know, electricity does I have that 115 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,359 Speaker 1: effect in small doses obviously not large doses. But it 116 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 1: could also have been used for interrogation, because imagine the 117 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 1: intimidation effect if you know, the interrogator said, I will 118 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: I'll use this back to an hour on one point 119 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: one vaults. So you're going at I mean that would 120 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: be intimidating. Well, I would be intimidating. You know. The 121 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: thing is is that, like it turns out two vaults 122 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 1: is like not a lot. I mean, so everybody's done 123 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: this experiment right with like a nine vault battery and 124 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: you like put it on your tongue and it doesn't 125 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 1: feel great, But it also isn't that painful, It turns 126 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: out is not. It's not that much. It's also a 127 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: function of current, though it's not just I mean, nine 128 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 1: holes can hurt you at a high current, but you know, sure, 129 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:04,359 Speaker 1: sure low current. Now you know current like these are producing, 130 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: it's not really gonna do anything. And they also talk 131 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: about there's a lot of records of ancient Persians using 132 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: things like cannabis and opium and wine for pain killers, 133 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: which are all like way more effective, more powerful than 134 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: like a two vault little like battery situation. So do 135 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: you think that they used to really use them for 136 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: pain or do you think they would just get high? 137 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: There are other suggestions that they used this to power something, right, 138 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 1: and I think this is one of the more interesting 139 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: theories because two volts isn't a lot, but two volts 140 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: is a lot when you've got like twenty of them. 141 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: But they've only found the one correct, yes, so we 142 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: don't know if there's been more, if there was a 143 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: bunch of them put together, okay, okay, so we don't 144 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: know that, and the other the other well, then the 145 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: other problem that they have is that they've never just 146 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: covered any wires. This is a big problem that scientists have. 147 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: They say, well, we didn't discover any wires with it. 148 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: It's like, okay, first of all, where did you discover 149 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: this one standalone battery, right, because maybe there are a 150 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: bunch of wires, maybe two. It's been two thousand years. 151 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: Copper corrodes pretty quickly. I just feel like a thin 152 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: copper wire isn't gonna make it two thousand years in 153 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: the ground. Maybe not. But well, and this gets back 154 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: to what I was referring to you a little bit 155 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: earlier about WILLIELM. Kunig and possibly being the person who 156 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: dug this up. And I don't think it was because 157 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: apparently the records, generally speaking archaeologists, when they dig something up, 158 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: they keep very meticulous notes about exactly where everything was 159 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 1: found in relationship to everything else. Apparently whoever dug this 160 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: battery up or whatever this thing is didn't really do that, 161 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 1: so it's more of an amateur thing. Somebody, just some 162 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: treasure hunter found it, maybe wound up doning it to 163 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,959 Speaker 1: the museum. And then Phil Helm, who was curator of 164 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:56,839 Speaker 1: the museum, just stumbled across it in the basement, in 165 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 1: the box somewhere. But yeah, since whoever dug it up 166 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,559 Speaker 1: didn't really document the site as carefully as he should have, 167 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: then who knows, maybe there were a few wires were Yeah, 168 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: maybe maybe there were a few other batteries laying around. 169 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: Who knows. Ye might not have even recognized him for 170 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: what they do. Yeah, maybe he thought they were like 171 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: trails of centipedes or something. Well maybe, yeah, we know, 172 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: but you know, that kind of makes the question of 173 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: like what, you know, they're not charging their iPods right now? Yeah, 174 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 1: you know, so what were they maybe trying to charge? 175 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: And huh. Yeah, somebody tried to claim that they actually 176 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: used these batteries to power lights. Yeah, actually, this is 177 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: exactly what I was going to say. But again, no 178 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: evidence has been found of anything resembling a light bulb. Well, 179 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: they have the one evidence, one piece of like kind 180 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: of shaky evidence they have is this relief, a hieroglyphic 181 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: relief inside of a pyramid. They call it the Deandra bulb, 182 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 1: and it looks it actually looks like a bulb, like 183 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: a light bulb, like a light bulb, kind of about that, right, Yes, 184 00:09:57,520 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 1: it's the big, the big long cylinder that's in the 185 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 1: same image that will put up. But yeah, I can 186 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: see that that could be interpreted as a light bulb 187 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 1: based on our understanding of them, but we don't have 188 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:15,439 Speaker 1: an understanding of what that could have represented culturally or 189 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 1: contextually at the time. Well, I can tell you what 190 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:22,959 Speaker 1: scientists like, actual scientists, Okay, yes, please, no, they think. 191 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: So the squiggly line right here in the middle of it, Yeah, 192 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: is the nile slash a snake. And then this is 193 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: a little lotus flower, So it's talking about fertility and 194 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: like continue. So it's a really different representation than people 195 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 1: have ascribed to it. It does look like a light bulb, 196 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: let's be fair. It does, but no, no, no, I mean, 197 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: you know, it's a one instance, and it can it 198 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:49,719 Speaker 1: can be explained in other ways. It could be a 199 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: giant hot dog for all we know. It could be right, So, 200 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: you know, the thing they talk about with those though, 201 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:00,319 Speaker 1: is that, according to some people, you can't actually take 202 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 1: a torch, a lit torch into the deepest parts of 203 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,559 Speaker 1: a pyramid because there's not enough oxygen for the fire 204 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: to keep going. So the big problem is how did 205 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: they light the inside of that? If a torch won't 206 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 1: keep burning. True, that's good point. And they've said they've 207 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: done some experiments where people tried to use like mirrors 208 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,559 Speaker 1: to light the way, but the light diffuses too quickly 209 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: for them to actually get it into any kind of 210 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: depth of significance. So you know, that's kind of the 211 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 1: idea behind needing a light bulb. And I guess, yeah, okay, 212 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: I understand that, But I just don't think this is 213 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: the only place we've found this specific illustration or relief 214 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: of it. You would think that if somebody did this 215 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:54,079 Speaker 1: kind of stuff, that idea would have been documented more 216 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: than one drawing. I agree, yeah, And I think you 217 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 1: would have found more, Especially inside of a pyramid, right, 218 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: if you're excavating a pyramid, there would be these things 219 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: in the innermost chambers, you would assume, right, you would think, 220 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: and there'd be wires and stuff like that. You would 221 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: you would leave it there. Plus, I mean there there 222 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 1: are always to ventilate your pyramid, even back in those days. 223 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: I mean they were probably were ventilator shafts that probably 224 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 1: over the years got filled in and plugged. Probably you 225 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: know you can you can you can build a ventilator shaft, 226 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: build a fire underneath it, and it'll center draft up 227 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,079 Speaker 1: that it will suck out. It'll basically create a nice 228 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: draft and bring a nice fresh air for you, so 229 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,559 Speaker 1: your torchies will stay lit. Yeah, you know, so it's 230 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 1: entirely possible. They they probably had something like that going on, 231 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: I would guess yea. And probably when they're all done 232 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 1: and they had it all filled in and you know, 233 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: perils all put to rest and everything like that, they 234 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: might have just gone ahead and plugged up the vent 235 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: hole just for security. Yeah, that would make sense. Yeah, yeah, 236 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: I think, you know, there are definitely ways to explain away. 237 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: Or they just you know, ancient aliens and flashlights. Yeah, 238 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: they had flashlights, ancient LEDs. Yeah. So another theory is 239 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: that they use these batteries for electroplating. Oh yeah, I 240 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 1: read about this, and yeah, this was a kind of 241 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: a weird one. To figure out. I had to do 242 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: a bunch of research on exactly how electroplating works. Yeah, 243 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 1: that's really that's kind of a tough one. How would 244 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 1: you find out? Well, the way I understand electroplating is 245 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: that if you've got let's say gold and silver in 246 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 1: a substrate, let's just use vinegar, because that's an easy 247 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: one for us. All it works relatively well. If I 248 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:36,439 Speaker 1: understand how it's working is that it's and correct me 249 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 1: if I'm wrong. If you know, if either of you 250 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: know better, is that it's kind of at the molecular level. 251 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 1: It breaks some of the gold on the exterior down 252 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: that's in the solution, and it's attracted to the piece 253 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: of silver and then it bonds to that and that 254 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: process continues so that you're shuttling at a very very 255 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: thin level, little bits at a time. So it's not 256 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: a fast profit, especially in something as small as that is, 257 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 1: or if you were using grape juice or whatever it is, 258 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: because it's the pH isn't that high, and it's it's 259 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: just what it is. It doesn't do a good job. 260 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: But electroplating is kind of a it's just such a 261 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: scientific process we figured out with the eighteen hundreds. I 262 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: think we've finally got a good beat on how to 263 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: electroplate things. Yeah, I'm not sure exactly one that we 264 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: developed that kind of technology. I know it was in 265 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: the eighteen hundreds. I mean that certainly to me, is 266 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: a more believable theory than powering electrical devices like leg bulbs, 267 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: you know. But yeah, so I you know, I also 268 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: did a lot of research on electroplating, because it is 269 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: it's kind of like a weird thing to get your 270 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: head around. And what I came up with in my 271 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: research was that while yes, something like this could be 272 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 1: potentially used for electroplating, there's no actual evidence of anything 273 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: from this time being electroplated. Everything from this time has 274 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: very visible signs of more conventional ways of you know, 275 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: plating things, hammering them together. I think that's what they 276 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: usually do it. They would they'd hammered it into a 277 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: thin sheet and then hammer the two together in bondom 278 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: gilt plating. They call it guilt plating or doing mercury guilding, 279 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: which is basically just like putting, like putting them both 280 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: in mercury and melting them together without any kind of 281 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: electric current or anything like that. Right, sounds a lot 282 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: more basic than simple and easy. Yeah, they totally are. 283 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: And you know that's those are the only ways we've 284 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: ever found anything from this time period. But I did. 285 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: I did find it funny. One of the articles, and 286 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: that I don't remember exactly where I found it, was 287 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: saying that if this thing was used to electroplate gold 288 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: onto other objects. So it's a cheaper way of making 289 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: all of your gold effigies and everything like that, or 290 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: your gold trinkets that the pharaoh whoever has that there 291 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: could be all of this supposed pure gold in museums. 292 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: It's actually electroplated stuff and it's not actually gold. It's silver, 293 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: copper or whatever that then has the gold on top 294 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: of Yeah, that would be micron sheet. Yeah, as all 295 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: of those things are. I don't buy it. Yeah, no, 296 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: I would have worn off by now, but all at 297 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: least in places. But also it'd be quite obvious if 298 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: something was like say silver, played it with gold, because 299 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: it wouldn't weigh nearly enough. Yeah. Yeah, because gold's a 300 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: lot denser. Yeah. Yeah, I thought he stressed about that. 301 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't really accept it. Yeah, I 302 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: don't buy that one. I'm going to skip the next 303 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: theory because it's my favorite one and go on to 304 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: like the more mundane science y boring mcboor bull. So 305 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: there's two boring mcbors. One is that these jars were 306 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: containers to hold papyrus scrolls. Okay, actually I think that 307 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: that's the most believable. One it is. I mean, it's 308 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: pretty believable. Yeah, I'm In March of twenty twelve, this 309 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: Iraq archaeologist named Professor Elizabeth Stone, she's a professor at 310 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: the stony Brook University, went on the first archael logical 311 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:04,439 Speaker 1: expedition in Iraq for twenty years. And she did. She 312 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 1: was doing an interview on NPR during which they were 313 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 1: taking phone callers and somebody called in and was like, well, 314 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 1: what about the bag dad batteries? Tell us about those, 315 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:14,679 Speaker 1: and her response was to say that she didn't know 316 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: anybody who believed a single archaeologist who believed that they 317 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: were actually batteries. Okay, So I think that we've we've 318 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 1: missed a bit of information that that everybody's going to 319 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 1: want to know, which is we were saying that they 320 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: put grape juice or whatever it is. Now when they 321 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: found them, they said they had traces of some kind 322 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 1: of acidic code. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, grape juice in them. Right. 323 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 1: So the theory is that it was the papyrus that 324 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: disintegrated and coated the walls, okay, and that it could 325 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: have been the same kind of residue, you know, it 326 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 1: was the thirties and forties. Okay, so the uh so, 327 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 1: obviously whoever whoever excavated this jar was a little careless 328 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: because they they just popped it, you know, and all 329 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:58,159 Speaker 1: this papyrus stuff sort of flaked flaked away now and 330 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: they went, oh look it's yeah, they just turned the 331 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: jar outside down and shook it out and put it 332 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: back together. Yeah, you know, you expect that stuff to 333 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 1: be in there. You know, somebody was a little sloppy. 334 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 1: So that's you know, that's the theory. There's another theory 335 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: that it's a hoax that is just totally flat out 336 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 1: a hoax. Well yeah, so like there's to start with, 337 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 1: there's the red flag of the inconsistent stories of how 338 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: you found it, right, and then there's the problem of 339 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: age where they say that it was from two hundred 340 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 1: and fifty BCE and after a common era, but apparently 341 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 1: if you look at the kind of artistic qualities of it, 342 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: it's more in line with like what happened in two 343 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty a CE to like six hundred and 344 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: fifty CE, which was like style of jar that they 345 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 1: made at that time. So it's like a nine hundred 346 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:55,199 Speaker 1: year difference. Yeah, that's a bit of an issue. So 347 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 1: those are two really big issues. How did they how 348 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: did they data the data actually using scientific instrumentation or 349 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 1: just by looking at the style of the jar and saying, wow, 350 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:06,719 Speaker 1: the people that built this kind of jar with this 351 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: particular time, Yeah, I think you know, initially he just said, oh, 352 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 1: it's probably from this time. So I remember reading about this, 353 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: and the way that I understand it is as Devin said, 354 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: is that the two hundred and fifty CE to eight 355 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: hundred or whatever side that was all based on the 356 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:33,239 Speaker 1: style of the construction of it in the shape and 357 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 1: however they quote unquote would have decorated on the outside 358 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: because it's it's got grooved lines on the outside. I'm 359 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,360 Speaker 1: almost as if somebody had taken a wire brush. It's 360 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:45,400 Speaker 1: not smooth. Now. Granted, when they found it it was outside. 361 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 1: It was really kind of eroded, so nobody knows exactly 362 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 1: what it was adorned with. But if I remember correctly, 363 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: Koonig William is his name, right, Okay, Williem If I 364 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:02,400 Speaker 1: remember right, he was dating it to the time frame 365 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 1: he had, and I'm pretty sure that he did some 366 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: kind of analysis that was what was available at the time. 367 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 1: You know, they didn't have good radio dating like we 368 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 1: have now. Radio dating is the wrong word, what is it? 369 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:21,239 Speaker 1: But I think it was based on something to do 370 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 1: with the metal is how he was dating it, which 371 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 1: could be two different things if you think about it. Logically, 372 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: somebody could have taken a chunk of metal that had 373 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: been worked years and years prior and been sitting around 374 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: and just repurposed it into this jar, So they could 375 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: be from separate time frames, or the dating just could 376 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 1: just be completely off. Yeah, yeah, I mean that's from 377 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: I don't think that any it's it's never been released 378 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 1: to be carbon dated. Yeah, so that's the problem. It's problem. 379 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 1: Is this thing still around by the way, Yeah, it 380 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:59,360 Speaker 1: supposedly in them is anybody? Oh? Is it in the museum? Apparently? 381 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: I mean it's you know, it's not enough. Who knows. 382 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 1: So let's go to my absolute favorite theory about this, 383 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: because I think that it's probably was a battery of 384 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: some kind. It had a little bit of electric charge 385 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 1: to it, very enough to like kind of you would 386 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 1: feel it. There's this guy and he's a metallurgy expert 387 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:32,160 Speaker 1: of ancient Near East for the British Museum. His name 388 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:36,120 Speaker 1: is doctor kratick, and he has this theory, which is 389 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: that like a cluster of these batteries connected behind some 390 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 1: kind of metal statue or idol could have been connected 391 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: to the idol as a sort of temple trick. So 392 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 1: you go, so you go, like and you're it's like 393 00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: a proof of religion sort of situation, a proof well, 394 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: I'm not a proof of faith, a proof of religion. Right. 395 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,120 Speaker 1: So an unbeliever comes to a synagogue or a church 396 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: or whatever and says, okay, prove to me that your 397 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: God exists. And the preacher says, okay, if you answer 398 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:17,120 Speaker 1: this question correctly, when you touch the statue, it will 399 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 1: shock you, and if you answer wrongly, it will not 400 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 1: shock you. And they are like standing right next to it. Right, 401 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: things like this are not common at this time, right, 402 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: so they're not going to be suspicious of somebody standing 403 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 1: next to this statue. So they say okay, and they 404 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 1: answer the question correctly, and everything remains connected, and they 405 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:39,719 Speaker 1: touch the statue and it shocks them, or they answer incorrectly, 406 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,439 Speaker 1: and the priest just goes boop and like moves the 407 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: one little connector right, what's the switch essentially right, And 408 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: they touch it and it doesn't shock them. Humm, I 409 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 1: like it. I like it. I like it a lot. 410 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,479 Speaker 1: You know, maybe there would maybe be a mysterious kind 411 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: of blue flash of like static electricity of some sort. 412 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's a great point because at that time 413 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:05,199 Speaker 1: those static electricity exists and everybody will have seen it 414 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 1: from time to time. You don't know what causes it. Yeah, 415 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,439 Speaker 1: nobody says, oh, it's static electricity. You have no idea 416 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 1: what it is. And there's probably some local folklore name 417 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,719 Speaker 1: to it. So it's God. God is the you know, 418 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: this particular God has reached out and created this reaction. 419 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: That that's a good one. Yeah. So you know, it 420 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 1: could have been that it could have just been like 421 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: a magician could have been using it. A lot of 422 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,919 Speaker 1: people made their living kind of traveling around performing miracles 423 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: and some magic and stuff like that, kind of a 424 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: carpet baggers. Yeah. So you know, if you could just say, oh, 425 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: if you touch this magical idol of God, you will 426 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: get shocked, and nobody would have known what that was 427 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: all about. You know, it could actually have been for 428 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,439 Speaker 1: just a sort of a gag thing too, like like 429 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: a joy buzzer, you know those old things you wear 430 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: in your hands, you know, shock people. Yeah, there's no 431 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 1: reason somebody couldn't have you know, some ancient king, maybe 432 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: I couldn't have said you like it had his courtiers behind, 433 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: I know, without like twenty of these jars all wired 434 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 1: and serious that they're carrying. And he's got the wires 435 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: running down his sleeve through his hand and he goes 436 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: to shake your hand and you get zapped, and he 437 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: has a good checkle at your expense. Yeah, yeah, I mean, 438 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: you know, this is a time when a lot of 439 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 1: miracles and mysterious things are being recorded. A lot of 440 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 1: mythos happen, a lot of mythos happened that in this time, 441 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: and people were just fanatic for proving that they were 442 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,159 Speaker 1: telling the truth. And I think that people would go 443 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 1: to kind of any lengths to prove that they were 444 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: telling the truth. And you know, having this little kind 445 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: of kind of carpet trick. It's a tiny little battery, 446 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 1: super easy to be concealed, but you don't need that 447 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: many of them. Two volts is enough. You touch something 448 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: that's metal and you're not expecting any kind of electrical current. 449 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 1: You feel a slight tingling of your hand and other 450 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 1: people are doing it, are feeling the same thing. That's enough, 451 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: you know, for a lot of people in a time 452 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: like this, that's enough. Well, and it's not something you're 453 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 1: used to. Well, you don't expect it. You don't know 454 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 1: what's going to happen. And here's the one thing that 455 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 1: I find so funny about there's Okay, I don't ascribe 456 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 1: to it being a battery per se, and I but 457 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 1: I don't really know what this thing is for. This 458 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 1: is one of those you know, A can mean this 459 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 1: gonna be that it's just so long, there's so little 460 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 1: data on it. But what I find so funny is 461 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 1: that everybody just flocks to if it was a battery, 462 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 1: where are the wires. There's no holes coming out of 463 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: the top of it for the wires and the you know, 464 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 1: they sealed it with bitchumen, which is basically asphalt. Yeah, yeah, 465 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: it's naturally occurring asphalt, so it seals it. So it's 466 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,360 Speaker 1: got to have the wires to make the connection. Well 467 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: there's there's no there's no holes for the connection. Okay, 468 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 1: Well it's found outside. And what does asphalt do when 469 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,400 Speaker 1: it sits in the sun, It gets hot and it 470 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: melts and it did starts. So if some yo yo 471 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: came along and found this and yank the wires out 472 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: to use them in something else and then toss it 473 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: on the ground, it sits in the sun for a 474 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 1: couple of years, the holes where the wires were at 475 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: are going to seal themselves up just from expansion and contraction. 476 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,719 Speaker 1: The thing that I actually saw was a theory that 477 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 1: they had just like wrapped a little bit of copper 478 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:23,400 Speaker 1: around in between where the copper and the asphalt were, 479 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: so that it would connect to the inside where the 480 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: sat or where the electricity would be, and then you 481 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: just put like two little wires on the outside, and 482 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,360 Speaker 1: then the copper would have you know, disintegrated or whatever. Yeah, 483 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: over time. But I think, you know, there are a 484 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:39,640 Speaker 1: lot of ways to explain the well, the wires. That's 485 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:41,399 Speaker 1: the one thing that I laugh at, as you know, 486 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: I said, well, somebody took the wire. What nobody seems 487 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 1: to consider. And I'm not saying I'm the expert on 488 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 1: this and that I've got the perfect theory, but it 489 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 1: just seems odd to me that nobody says, well, I 490 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 1: wonder if anybody messed with this thing and gutted it 491 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: for the stuff that they wanted, because, as we've talked 492 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:06,360 Speaker 1: about on other shows, that's common. Yeah, you take materials 493 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 1: that are existing and you use them on something else, 494 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: which means that it could have had something on the outside, 495 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,479 Speaker 1: a wire on the inside, who knows what it is, 496 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: and some guy could have, oh, you know, I could 497 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: totally use this yank, toss it back in the sand 498 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 1: and walk away. Yeah. Really, the other thing I think 499 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 1: is that's possible is that somebody could have just been, like, 500 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,879 Speaker 1: you know, a scientist inventor type, just experimenting around and 501 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: finds this thing that generates a little bit of electricity 502 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: and then just thought it over and thought, well, you know, 503 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,119 Speaker 1: what kind of possibly use this for. It's kind of 504 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,159 Speaker 1: a neat parlor trick, I guess, but really, you know, 505 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 1: it's not useful. So he just like sort of chunked 506 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,880 Speaker 1: on the junk pile in the backyard, and one about 507 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: it is one about went on to the invent the 508 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 1: shovel or something else instead, you know. I mean, so 509 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 1: it's like it's entirely possible that somebody was experimenting around 510 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 1: trying to create electricity, but they just had no application 511 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,719 Speaker 1: for it. Yeah, and so it just went on the junkie. 512 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 1: It's like, Wow, cool idea, but you know, kind of 513 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 1: very possible. Yeah, I think I think it's the religious 514 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: or parlor trick situation. I think that's a cool idea. 515 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:18,160 Speaker 1: I just without having more of them, I can't follow that. 516 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: That's fair. Yeah, what's your what do you think? Really? 517 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: The thing is that this one has got so much 518 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: conflicting you don't know. I just I'm hesitant to lean 519 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 1: towards one because there's just too many gaps. Just pulling 520 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,879 Speaker 1: the skeptic card, I am man. What do you think Aliens? 521 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 1: Of course, Santa Claus. I think I'm still leaning kind 522 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 1: of towards the papyrus. The scroll. Yeah, the pirate scroll. 523 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 1: I think that's a compelling explanation for it. I think 524 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 1: so too. 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