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Speaker 1: This is Frosted Tips with Lance bass An iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, welcome to the Frosted Tips Podcast. Unfortunately Lance

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Speaker 1: isn't here today he is away at Magic Camp for

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Speaker 1: grown ups. So today you have guest hosts Robert Buckley

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Speaker 1: and Tyler Hilton.

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Speaker 2: What's up?

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Speaker 1: How are you, buddy?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing good man. I'm glad we got to do this.

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Speaker 2: We needed to catch up anyway, it had been a.

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Speaker 1: Few days we did. We thought, you know what, not

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Speaker 1: only do we need to catch up, but we should

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Speaker 1: probably subject thousands of people to it as well.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the only thing better than catching up is letting

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Speaker 2: everybody listen to us catch up.

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Speaker 1: I think here's my first question for you. Do you

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Speaker 1: think Lance is more of a slide of hand magician

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Speaker 1: or like parlor magic, like bigger stage illusions.

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Speaker 2: Ooh, I think the bigger stage illusions like tigers and

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Speaker 2: can we say, I.

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Speaker 1: Don't know, but we just did. We did.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but they can bleeve a bit of out.

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Speaker 1: I agree, I think so still and okay, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean. He's a showman, so I think he

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Speaker 1: would be big stage illusions.

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Speaker 2: That is a personality type, someone who does like sly

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Speaker 2: cards between you know, other situa, other things going on

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Speaker 2: in the day, and other people that are like, no,

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Speaker 2: you got to come to my show tonight. Have you

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Speaker 2: ever been to the Magic Castle, by the way.

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Speaker 1: Well, funny you should say that, yes, we were members

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Speaker 1: for a very long time. Because I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you know this about me. I actually grew up a magician,

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Speaker 1: no way, And I did parlor magic that was much like.

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Speaker 2: What age like, is it like or like until like

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Speaker 2: the age of thirty or something.

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Speaker 1: No, No, it's hilarious in hindsight, like I picked the

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Speaker 1: most awkward years of my life, like the painfully uncomfortable

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Speaker 1: years of my life to choose magic. Like I already

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Speaker 1: hadn't hit puberty, had no luck with girls, and I thought,

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Speaker 1: you know what would help this dumpster fire of a

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Speaker 1: social slash love life. I should add being a magician

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Speaker 2: I did the same thing. I was flailing around looking

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Speaker 2: for things to make me cool, magic, playing the clarinet.

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Speaker 2: Nothing was really catching, you know, and I was like, oh,

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Speaker 2: working on and playing guitar.

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Speaker 1: Wait, did you actually try magic?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, Like I was up until like the age

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Speaker 2: of twelve a magic guy like I didn't know we

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Speaker 2: were talking about like kid phase. But yes, all the

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Speaker 2: magic kits, the magic books, and I was a big juggler, big.

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Speaker 1: Jog yeah you listen, you got Did you do the circuits?

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Speaker 1: Did you ever do birthday parties or perform for money?

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Speaker 2: No? No, I didn't ever did the parks. I juggled

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Speaker 2: in the park all the time, but never like did

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Speaker 2: you do that? Like you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I have business cards. In fact, I wish maybe

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Speaker 1: at the end of the episode. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: the show airs on YouTube or not, but if it does,

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Speaker 1: I will get my business card out and I'll show

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Speaker 1: it to you so that you can see in the

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Speaker 1: viewer at home.

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Speaker 2: You have it on you like with you.

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Speaker 1: Still, Yes, I keep I keep two business cards in

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Speaker 1: my wallet at all times. One is my business card

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Speaker 1: from when I was a magician. It says magic by Robert,

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Speaker 1: has a little caricature of me doing an illusion to

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Speaker 1: illusions with a rabbit. And my business card from when

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Speaker 1: I was a consultant. Uh, just because you know it,

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Speaker 1: just it feels funny to me to still have that

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Speaker 1: in my wallet. But yeah, So I actually used to

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Speaker 1: do birthday parties, church functions. I had a whole I

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Speaker 1: mean I had a sixty minute show, but my typical

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Speaker 1: performance was like a tight thirty Like wow, No, you

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Speaker 1: definitely took it to another level that I did.

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Speaker 2: That's super cool. Like what was your what was like?

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Speaker 2: What did it all build towards? Like what was the

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Speaker 2: did you animals and stuff?

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Speaker 1: Or was it cards or I never did animals? No,

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Speaker 1: I never did animals because that's a whole Like you

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Speaker 1: So I never did animals, but like I said, I

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Speaker 1: did some parlor tricks. So I did like stage illusions

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Speaker 1: inside of a mail bag and get out within sixty seconds.

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Speaker 2: Oh so you have own the equipment to pull this off.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we still have a room in our house

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Speaker 1: and my parents' house called the Magic Room with probably

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Speaker 1: Because my dad focused on close up magic, so he

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Speaker 1: did more like card stuff and then I did the

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Speaker 1: bigger stuff. So we have a room that's I mean yeah,

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Speaker 1: like sighing in half. No, you know where you put

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Speaker 1: the person's head in a box and you jam like

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Speaker 1: twelve daggers or torches through it it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Did you get your parents to how do you talk

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Speaker 2: to your parents about like buying that kind of equipment?

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Speaker 2: Like did you make the money off magic and put

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Speaker 2: it back into your magic act? You're like mom and

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Speaker 2: dad christ you get me head.

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Speaker 1: It was a weird string of events where we had

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Speaker 1: to streamline things. My dad was smart enough to realize

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Speaker 1: he could do that, and he said, I got an idea,

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Speaker 1: how about not only will I help you streamline your company,

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Speaker 1: but you don't have to pay me cash, you can

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Speaker 1: pay me in product. And they were like great, So

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Speaker 1: no joke, I mean we had a room custom Bill

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Speaker 1: you know. And so that's how we and he like

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Speaker 1: ran their news for him. So as this kid is

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Speaker 1: like a kit. I had a room like with a

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Speaker 1: briefly managed one of the best close up magicians in

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Speaker 1: yourself from all the different angles to make sure you're

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Speaker 1: like you're performing a trick. Well, whoa lighting, so we

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Speaker 1: could shoot videos for the guy in there. Yeah, my

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Speaker 2: I am so glad that Lance asked us to do

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Speaker 2: this podcast for this reason. And if this is all

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Speaker 2: we talk about for the rest of my life, it'll

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Speaker 2: let alone this podcast, it'll be like worthwhile. I cannot

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Speaker 2: believe this. Wait, So I have like a million questions,

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Speaker 2: But did you were you into magic before your dad

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Speaker 2: started working for this magic shop?

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Speaker 1: Like ye?

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Speaker 2: Like, oh, my god gold mine. So you were into

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Speaker 2: get access to all this amazing equipment.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember were going to the fair, the La

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Speaker 1: the magician guy, right, and you'd go by and he

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Speaker 1: imember loving it. And that was kind of where it

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Speaker 2: But yeah, as a magician or like as an actor singer.

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Speaker 1: No, they had something called Talent round Up Day and

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Speaker 1: dad played like seven different instruments and in between my

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Speaker 1: brother and I we played zero. So unfortunately the music

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Speaker 1: But they kept inviting him on to play music, and finally,

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Speaker 1: I think after the third time, they're like, how about

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Speaker 1: you just finished the season with us. So he has

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I don't even know where to begin.

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Speaker 2: And you guys all still have this stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I get still at their house.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when's the last time you did a trick like you?

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Speaker 1: Ironically enough, I did a movie I developed and then

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Speaker 1: even though we fictionalized the character, he was a magician

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Speaker 2: Does it say with you like like do you have

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Speaker 2: to practice it? Like? Could you could if we went

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Speaker 1: the difference, right, So close up magic is it's incredibly

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Speaker 1: really practice and hone your craft at that, right Whereas

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Speaker 2: The talent for it. I remember it was really tough.

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Speaker 1: See, that's the thing. It's like truly it is its

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Speaker 1: and stretch it into four minutes worth of storytelling. Close up,

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Speaker 2: Why and what? So? Which which one were you? Was

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Speaker 1: It was just magic by Robert, magic by Rob. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Have you talked about this much before.

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Speaker 1: Never in this much detail. No, this isn't exclusive for

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Speaker 1: I'm not surprised, though, because you and I are similar

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Speaker 1: With well, this is actually I mean, I don't even

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you Klutz books, and they explained things so well,

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Speaker 1: But crazy, I think we should have a reality show

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, Like we have to be in the duo.

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Speaker 1: It's usually a guy in a gal but let's just switch.

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Speaker 1: Let's just be two dudes up there doing magic together.

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Speaker 2: What's wrong with a couple buddies doing magic together?

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Speaker 1: Nothing? Has anyone seen a magical accenter around romance? Well?

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Speaker 2: That ohka, I think romance magic.

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Speaker 1: Listen, it's gonna happen bench Mark.

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Speaker 2: We have another idea.

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Speaker 1: If you like Christmas movies, you're gonna love this two

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna saw my bro in half. I love that.

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Speaker 2: I got to be honest with you, like I don't

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Speaker 1: Have you ever heard that? Apparently John Travolta's parents were

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Speaker 2: It would be lovely, It would be lovely. He was

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Speaker 2: It makes so much sense actually how good he was.

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Speaker 1: And it's just a great way to be because you know,

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Speaker 1: and has so little to do with us, you know.

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Speaker 1: So that what a great way to just like not

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Speaker 1: even when you're not start even when you're doing this

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00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:08,879
Speaker 1: twenty years, it's like you can easily fall into that

436
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:13,640
Speaker 1: rut of like I wasn't good enough, and it's like, no, man,

437
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 1: it just wasn't meant to be.

438
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:15,159
Speaker 3: Well.

439
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 2: How sad for them they made this such such a

440
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:17,680
Speaker 2: big mistake.

441
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,000
Speaker 1: I know that he actually it would end with him

442
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,919
Speaker 1: having sympathy for them, like, ah, that's a bummer, they're not.

443
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:27,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been really good for them.

444
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 3: That's great.

445
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,080
Speaker 1: Did you always want to do acting because obviously music

446
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 1: came first for you, right, Yeah.

447
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 2: It's funny because I like, I always loved acting and

448
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,359
Speaker 2: always like was in plays. I just thought it was

449
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 2: going to be a hobby, Like if I had thought

450
00:22:58,280 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 2: about how my life was gonna go, I was good

451
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:01,880
Speaker 2: to be a musician, And then I thought it would

452
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:06,239
Speaker 2: be very cool sometimes to maybe even when I'm like

453
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 2: my grandpa was in plays as an old man, like

454
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 2: local community theater and stuff. And I always thought, what

455
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,919
Speaker 2: a cool fun thing to do as a hobby is

456
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 2: to like be in plays. But I always was in plays.

457
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 2: I loved it, and I never thought that I would

458
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 2: be an actor. I don't know why. It was the

459
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,680
Speaker 2: weirdest thing. I just knew it was like a family

460
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,639
Speaker 2: business or like somehow predestined I was going to be

461
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 2: a musician, even if it wasn't. I wasn't a successful one.

462
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 2: I was just going to be someone's guitar player, or

463
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 2: I was just going to be a musician, like playing

464
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 2: at bars, like that's just what I was going to do.

465
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 2: And I got lucky because I went to this high

466
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,879
Speaker 2: school looking to high school in Palm Springs, and they

467
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 2: had an amazing theater department and the theater teacher at

468
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 2: the time she was there for a short period, was incredible.

469
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 2: And everything at the school, all our plays, starting maybe

470
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 2: a couple of years before I got there, started winning

471
00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 2: all the regional and statewide. I had like awards for things.

472
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 2: It was like, so I entered this kind of like

473
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 2: environment that was super professional, super adult, did not like

474
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 2: care about feelings, and in fact, I don't know what

475
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,400
Speaker 2: the situation was, but she got let go a few

476
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 2: years after I left and had something to do with

477
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 2: I think not having kid gloves, you know, on when

478
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,880
Speaker 2: she was dealing with high school kids, because it was intense,

479
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 2: like I cried several times. It was like during the

480
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,640
Speaker 2: process of being in theater there, it was super super intense.

481
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 2: But I ended up getting all these opportunities, winning awards,

482
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 2: and then I went to the nationals for this National

483
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,360
Speaker 2: Shakespeare competition in New York, and that's how I got

484
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 2: my agent, William Morris, which is so random. And then

485
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 2: I had that agent before I even got signed. So

486
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 2: it was like this whole It was this whole weird

487
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,399
Speaker 2: kind of backwards thing that happened. And still I told them.

488
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 2: I was like, well, I'm you know, I'm going to

489
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 2: do this music thing. But yeah, I mean, you know,

490
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 2: I was. I was naive about it. Was like, yeah,

491
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 2: if you guys want to throw me some auditions, like cool.

492
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 2: I never did anything with it until after I got signed.

493
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 2: They were looking for people to be in the background

494
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 2: for Johnny Cash's band in Walk the Line, and so

495
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 2: my agent was like, Okay, I think I have an

496
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 2: audition you might want to do. You just have to

497
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 2: go in and play a Johnny Cash song and they're

498
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 2: looking for guys just to be in his band. And

499
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 2: so I went in and they said, oh, you look

500
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 2: like Elvis. Do you do you know any Elvis songs?

501
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:27,880
Speaker 2: And I was like yeah, because he was my favorite.

502
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 2: I played them a bunch of Elva songs and then

503
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 2: I got called back to read lines as Elvis, and

504
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 2: I was like what, Like so it was so weird

505
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 2: because I didn't see that coming and uh, and then

506
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 2: I don't know if I've told you a story, but

507
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 2: then I got the part and I said no, and

508
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 2: I turned it down because I was like, no, no.

509
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,400
Speaker 2: So I've been telling you guys, I'm not like, I'm

510
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 2: not an actor, so don't put me in a movie,

511
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 2: especially like as my hero, Like I'm gonna I don't

512
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 2: want I don't want to mess that up. Like I'm

513
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 2: not here to try to like mess up a movie

514
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 2: that I actually want to see. But I ran into

515
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 2: Walking Phoenix in a bar randomly, and he like he

516
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 2: recognized me from my audition tape. I was in nobody

517
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 2: and he was like, dude, you tried out for Elvis.

518
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 2: I saw your audition tape. You got to do this movie. Literally,

519
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 2: it's how it happened. I couldn't believe it. And I

520
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 2: was like, and I told him the whole thing. I

521
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 2: was like, oh, but it was a mistake. I went

522
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 2: in for your background band. I'm a musician and they

523
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 2: asked me to read lines as Elvis and I told

524
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 2: them like, I'm not an actor, like I'm signed to

525
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 2: Warner Brothers. That's like not my thing. And he went

526
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 2: through this whole thing. No res and I are nervous.

527
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 2: We've never played music before. We've been in guitar lessons

528
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 2: for like two years. They're trying to cast musicians as

529
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 2: that as the musicians in the movie. Everyone's gonna be uncomfortable.

530
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 2: You gotta do it. And I was like I already

531
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 2: said no, and he was like, oh, call your agent

532
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 2: and see if it's like a possibility literally, and so

533
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 2: I called my agent and they were like, yeah, it's

534
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:52,439
Speaker 2: still available if you want to do it. I was like,

535
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 2: I just ran into Walking Phoenix at a bar and

536
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 2: he told me, like, I should do this if it's

537
00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 2: still available, and they were like, yeah it is. And

538
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 2: that crazy and I was like begging to be an actor.

539
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 1: And then you playing hard to get getting Joaquin Phoenix

540
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 1: begging you to do the movie. That's bonkers, dude, I

541
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 1: didn't know that story. It was.

542
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 2: It was really wild, and I think they were just

543
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 2: looking for Yeah, they were looking for musicians. So it

544
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 2: was like me Wayland Painning, Shooter Jennings, a guy named

545
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 2: Jonathan Rice, just all these guys would never acted before

546
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,439
Speaker 2: and they really wanted that, and and then everything, you know,

547
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 2: and then you know, done a bunch of acting since then,

548
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 2: which is just crazy.

549
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,919
Speaker 1: And you know, you had that sexy in difference, Like

550
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 1: it's it's the truth. That's like if you when you

551
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: go in not desperate, you know, it's sort of like

552
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 1: when you audition for something when you're already on something

553
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 1: and because the stakes are so low for you, it's

554
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: like you end up having a better success rate because

555
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 1: you're not desperately hoping it's gonna work out, because people

556
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 1: can feel it desperation, the fact that you're like I'm good, nah,

557
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 1: literally like.

558
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 2: Please, I'm telling you, don't put me in. It's like,

559
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 2: you know, it's like when when you're single, like trying

560
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 2: to date a girl, it's like the more you're like, ah, whatever,

561
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 2: I'm not sure I'm into it. They're like, come on,

562
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 2: you know, I know it's so weird that I look

563
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 2: back now and I think, dude, but you know, yeah,

564
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 2: and then you know, and then a bunch of stuff

565
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 2: after that, and I just kept being like no, no, no,

566
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 2: I don't want to do the acting thing. I don't

567
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 2: want to do that. But I ended up being like

568
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,239
Speaker 2: the best time in my life doing that movie. It

569
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 2: was really unbelievable, really special, and Elvis was like my

570
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 2: favorite growing up, and through that movie, I got to

571
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 2: go to Graceland after hours one night, like Lisa Marie

572
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,120
Speaker 2: hooked it up so we could all go there at night,

573
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 2: and I got to like bring my guitar and sit

574
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 2: by his grave and play a bunch of songs at

575
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 2: his gravesite, like in the middle of the night at Graceland,

576
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 2: and I was like, wow, it was actually a good

577
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 2: lesson for me to be like you need to shut

578
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 2: up and just say yes, like, just let the universe

579
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 2: do what the universe is gonna do, and don't try

580
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 2: to like, no, no, this is what I'm don't shape

581
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 2: the bush, you know, just let it grow. Because so

582
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 2: many gifts came from that movie, and I was so

583
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 2: adamant about not being in it and ended up being amazing.

584
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: Did you put on an Elvis affect when you read

585
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: the lines?

586
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 2: No? And I was like so into it the thing too.

587
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 2: I was like, Hey, if I'm gonna do this thing,

588
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 2: because Elvis meant so much to me, I was like,

589
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 2: I'm not going to do this Elvis impersonator thing. I'm

590
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 2: going to play a nineteen year old from Memphis, because

591
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 2: that's all he is in this movie. He's not the

592
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 2: king of anything. He's not Elvis Presley. He's just a

593
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 2: nineteen year old from Memphis, you know. And so I

594
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 2: just kept thinking that the whole time, with like the lines,

595
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 2: I had just like nineteen year old kid from Memphis,

596
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 2: and then the wardrobe in the setting and everything else

597
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 2: did the rest of it, you know, But at the

598
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 2: time he didn't know, you know. I think that's what

599
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 2: was charming about him then, is he was just some

600
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 2: dumb kid, you know.

601
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, at least eighty percent of the

602
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: people who came in to read for Elvis, we're laying

603
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: on a rig effect. Yeah, you know, it's like playing drunk.

604
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: It's like the good people do it with subtlety, you know,

605
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: it's so easy to play drunk poorly.

606
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's like with.

607
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: Something like that, I imagine the bad first take is

608
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: going heavy on the on the Elvis, you know, think

609
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: of her removed. You know, it's like, yeah, walk that back, guys.

610
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 2: I know I wonder that too. With the Elvis movie,

611
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 2: I actually didn't want to see what's his name do that?

612
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: Elvis Butler?

613
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I was like, oh, this is gonna be dumb,

614
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 2: and I'm so protective of Elvis, and I was just like,

615
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 2: I don't care. I don't care, and I don't want

616
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 2: to see somebody like cheese it up. And then I

617
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 2: was on a plane and I was like, whatever, let's

618
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 2: just watch five minutes of this. That's my move on

619
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 2: a plane is I'll watch five minutes of every single movie.

620
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 2: I can just five minutes. And I said, a timer,

621
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 2: and I don't know anything about it, just start it

622
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 2: just to see if it hooks me in. And so

623
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 2: I was like, I'll do five minutes of the Elvis one.

624
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 2: And I was really impressed. I was really into it.

625
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 2: I mean, he won't care, but he should because I

626
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,719
Speaker 2: feel like I was a hard critic for that. I

627
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 2: was like, Wow, this kid is really really good at it,

628
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 2: and the movie like really moved me, So I thought

629
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 2: that was kudos to them.

630
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had heard that he had to hire a

631
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: dialect coach after the movie to help him lose the

632
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: Elvis in.

633
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 2: Fact, but did you hear what happened? Like he was

634
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 2: filming it and then he was like stuck in character,

635
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 2: and then the pandemic happened, so they had like delay

636
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 2: filming like six months or eight months. So he's stuck

637
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 2: in a hotel room, stucking character, and now filming has

638
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 2: been so he was in the character for like three

639
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 2: years or something crazy, and he decided to like jump

640
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 2: all the way in thinking it would be like, you know,

641
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 2: an eight month shoot or whatever it was, and ended

642
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 2: up being like two years or longer. And he was, yeah,

643
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 2: left there, like they stranded him in Elvis in a

644
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 2: hotel room.

645
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: That's funny the idea of him just slowly losing his

646
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: mind in a hotel room by himself as Elvis.

647
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like kind of like a wild, a wild situation.

648
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 2: I was like, I kind of wish there was a

649
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 2: movie about that, a guy getting like left in Elvis

650
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Speaker 2: method world.

651
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Speaker 1: Speaking of when you were talking about doing high school theater.

652
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Speaker 1: Have you ever seen the movie Hamlet too?

653
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 2: No?

654
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Speaker 1: Okay, if you for those of you listening, if you

655
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: haven't seen Hamlet Too. I believe it's Steve Coogan and

656
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: it's a great cast. Skyler asked, and I think is

657
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: easy young in it? Is it Catherine Keener or Elizabeth Keaneer?

658
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Speaker 2: For you?

659
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: WHI Keener? It is? But it's it's about a high

660
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: school teacher who decides to write a sequel to Hamlet,

661
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: And of course everyone's like, doesn't everyone die? At the

662
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: end He's like, I have a device and but it's

663
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: basically he's unhinged and it's hilarious. It's a great great wah.

664
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Speaker 2: I gotta have to see it. I'm gonna write it down.

665
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 2: I actually love Steve ko that's so funny. What about you?

666
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 2: How did you? How did you go from magic to

667
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 2: on screen? Like? Were you in theater or no agent

668
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 2: or make the jump at all? Yeah?

669
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: I uh an agent at William Morris hit my mom

670
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: with this and to make it up. Yeah, he gave

671
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: me a career. No, so I stopped doing magic in

672
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: eighth grade. In high school, I remember watching theater from

673
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Speaker 1: Afar and thinking it looked awesome, and we had comedy

674
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: sports at my high school, improv you know, yeah, And

675
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: I remember again being so excited and interested in it,

676
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: but also being so terrified of it. So I just

677
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: from afar. I kind of admired it. And then I

678
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: went to university and I studied economics, and my last semester,

679
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: my roommates and I took intro to acting acting one

680
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: oh one, just to sort of pad our schedules. We

681
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: had all these like super gnarly math and econ classes,

682
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: and with thought like, well, this will be a good break.

683
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: And I loved it. And I remember the teacher said

684
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 1: it wasn't anything crazy, but she just said, hey, if

685
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: you ever want to give this a shot, it might

686
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: be worth you giving it a shot. Like that was it.

687
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: It wasn't like you're the best thing since sliced bread,

688
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: but it was just like, hey, you seem to enjoy this,

689
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: you're decent d at it. You maybe want to give

690
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: it a go. And it planted a seat in my

691
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: head and I ended up getting a consulting job right

692
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: out of school. And I went into consulting and I

693
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: was miserable, Like I remember sitting at my desk on

694
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:42,240
Speaker 1: day two with this sinking feeling in my chest because

695
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 1: I had succeeded. I crushed in school. I graduated with

696
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: honors from high school, from college, I got this highly

697
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: coveted position, and I was sitting in my cubicle just

698
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: going is this It was shit? I got duped. This

699
00:34:58,160 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 1: is awful.

700
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 2: You essentially got what you were looking for, whatever one

701
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 2: was working for or whatever, and yeah, that's wow.

702
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I remember thinking to myself, I got I

703
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 1: got the brass ring, like I did the thing, and

704
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: this is it. Like I got duped, and so I

705
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: was miserable. It was six really really really hard months

706
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 1: of adjusting to it, but it was the first time

707
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:30,720
Speaker 1: whereever I experienced like anxiety and depression. And what started

708
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: to happen was, you know, I'm just at this point

709
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: like this isn't the long term solution for me, Like

710
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: I figured something else out.

711
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 2: And I was months. Yeah, yeah, I'm an adult and

712
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,919
Speaker 2: now I've got expendable income to like, oh my god,

713
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 2: I made a huge mistake in six months. That's wild.

714
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, well listen, on day two I called my mom

715
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: from my cubicle and told her, hey, I made a

716
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:58,760
Speaker 1: huge mistake. Day two. Yeah, I knew, and she said, listen,

717
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: you you can't put it job on your resume unless

718
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 1: you've been there for at least a year, so you've

719
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,720
Speaker 1: got to stick it out. I was like, oh okay,

720
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: and I so fast forward. I get a little bit

721
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: more adjusted and settled at the job, like about a

722
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,280
Speaker 1: year into it, and I go to my cousin's wedding

723
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 1: and I'm just there and this woman comes up to

724
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: me and she says, what do you do? And I said, oh,

725
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: I'm a consultant. And she says, well, you're wasting your time.

726
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:30,280
Speaker 1: You should be acting or modeling, and which is a weird, random,

727
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,919
Speaker 1: weird thing for like a stranger to say. But here's

728
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,479
Speaker 1: the thing. Because I was so desperate for a life

729
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: change that I just was like, great, okay, what do

730
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,399
Speaker 1: we do? And she said, I have a friend who

731
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: works at an agency. Get some pictures taken and I'll

732
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 1: pass them on no promises. So the woman I had

733
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: replaced at this consulting firm, she had left to become

734
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: a photographer. So I had her come to the company's

735
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: parking lot after work one day take pictures of me

736
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: in the company parking lot, like in your.

737
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 2: Work clothes, like in a tie looking like.

738
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Speaker 1: Like like in my work shirt, and then in a

739
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 1: T shirt and then shirtless like anyone who was like

740
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: working overtime that day, looked out into the company parking

741
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,919
Speaker 1: lot and saw the like junior consultant shirtless in front

742
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 1: of a Volvo opposing you know.

743
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 2: Uh the woman replaced taking pictures of him seriously.

744
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, her leaving to become a photographer

745
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 1: made sense because I was like, oh, yeah, this job's terrible,

746
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: I see what you mean. And uh, this woman who

747
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: worked at the agency ended up being the president of

748
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: the agency, and so she brought me in and they

749
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 1: ended up signing me with a commercial agent and a

750
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: modeling agent and that was that was sort of it.

751
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 1: And from that point I just started like self submitting

752
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: myself every day because sometime have a theatrical rep and

753
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 1: just hustled my butt off. But I loved it, you know,

754
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: and my job, like you never forget. I was auditioning

755
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: for a ross commercial ross dress for less and I

756
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 1: was a callback and I was still living at my parents'

757
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: house and Claremont at the time, So to drive from

758
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: Claremont into wherever it was Santa Monica in the afternoon.

759
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: I hit crazy traffic right, so I ended up being

760
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: about an hour late. These people had heard that I

761
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: had been in the car for two hours, so unknownst

762
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: to me, they had already found their guy. They were like,

763
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: but this kid drove two hours, Like, let's just see him.

764
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 1: So I go in and I do the normal part

765
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 1: of the commercial room, like holding up a shirt or something,

766
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: and then they go, hey, for the callback. We were having.

767
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: Everybody dance so bad it makes us laugh. Is that

768
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 1: something you'd feel comfortable with? And I'll never forget. I

769
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: didn't skip it, but I just went put the music

770
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 1: on and I proceeded to just dance like an absolute

771
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 1: idiot for about sixty seconds straight, just freestyling. And I

772
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: booked it in the room. And that was how I

773
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: became SAG eligible and was able to, you know, like

774
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 1: you know, submit for more stuff. And that was my

775
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: first thing. That was That was how I got my

776
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 1: SAG card.

777
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,479
Speaker 2: Were you still consulting at the time or had you quit?

778
00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: No? I had told them because it was a bit

779
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: of a boys club, this firm, and I knew if

780
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: I said, hey, I'm leaving to be an actor, that

781
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 1: didn't really give me any like possibilities with them in

782
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: the future. So I decided to tell them I was

783
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: leaving to go travel Asia and then come back and

784
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: get my MBA because I knew it would sound good

785
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: to them. And they were like, hey, we love that.

786
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: That's so admirable, Like, yeah, rip it up in Asia,

787
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: get your NBA. The door's open for you when you

788
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 1: come back. And then about a month and a half later,

789
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: I have a commercial for Ross on the air and

790
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: I get a call from one of my former bosses

791
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: going how's Asia. I was like, funny thing happened on

792
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,760
Speaker 1: the way to the airport, but even he was like, listen,

793
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 1: you don't belong here, Like this makes more sense, you know,

794
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: because I was always the guy. Like the year I

795
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:55,399
Speaker 1: got hired, they hired two candidates, two me and this

796
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: gal from Caltech who was a double major in mathematics

797
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: and computer science. I'm no dummy, but I sat down

798
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 1: with her on the first day and like, I heard

799
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,879
Speaker 1: her credentials and I genuinely remember thinking, did they have

800
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: like a friendly white guy quota to fill?

801
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 2: Why?

802
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: Again, I'm not dumb, but like, why am I here?

803
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: And so the whole time I was there, I just

804
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 1: told myself it's because like she'll be the one to

805
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 1: crunch the numbers, I'll be the one to present to

806
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: the company. But the whole time it was like very clear,

807
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,760
Speaker 1: like I'm this isn't my bag, Like it doesn't fulfill

808
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 1: me the way it does some of these guys. And

809
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: also it's not my strength, you know, because it was dude,

810
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: it was hardcore nerdery, Like, but you spent so much.

811
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 2: Time in numbers and economics and math, like I mean

812
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 2: just in academia and general between high school and college.

813
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 2: Did you ever miss it? Or like, would you go back?

814
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: And No, I don't miss it at all. I got

815
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: into econ because in high school I took one ECON class.

816
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,919
Speaker 1: I'm a visual learner and a lot of began economics

817
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: is like supplying demand lines on a graph. So I

818
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 1: was like this, this makes sense to my brain. I

819
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: can follow these lines moving around. And it wasn't until

820
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:10,720
Speaker 1: I got about a year into it that I realized

821
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: how much math was involved. Do I miss it? Not

822
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 1: at all? Would I ever go back to it? Not again?

823
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,240
Speaker 1: But I do love how good I am with numbers,

824
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: Like I can impress my wife when I can be

825
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: like a little human calculator or something, you know, because

826
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: I know it impresses her. So she'll toss some numbers

827
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: out and I'll be like real quick to answer it.

828
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 1: She'll be like, damn, that makes me feel ten feet tall.

829
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 2: That's right, dude, that's cool. That's Unbelievablebelieve. I always feel

830
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 2: like life happens in these quick little moments, you know

831
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 2: what I mean, that you have no control over, and

832
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 2: it's like amazing the amount of importance it lands on

833
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 2: these just these quick little moments like that, like going

834
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 2: to a wedding, deciding to go to a wedding, having

835
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 2: however you did your hair at that wedding, or whether

836
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 2: you had son on your face or whatever, like crazy

837
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 2: that whatever it made that woman say that to you

838
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:07,280
Speaker 2: and change your whole life, or you know, running into

839
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 2: walking Phoenix in a bar or whatever, you know, just random,

840
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 2: you know the things that just like it wasn't about

841
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 2: all the steps I took to whatever, Like it's never

842
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 2: about what you think it is. You know that those

843
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 2: are almost the things that like that like keep you busy,

844
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 2: just to take your just to distract you while like

845
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 2: the real is going on around you. It's just unbelievable,

846
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 2: you know, crazy.

847
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 1: So let's let's let's talk a bit more about the

848
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 1: stuff people are gonna know about, which is for our

849
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,240
Speaker 1: common uh our common job being One Tree Hill. Oh

850
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 1: that is where you and I first met. I've asked

851
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 1: this to a couple of people on the show because

852
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: I'm very curious when you hear the theme song, what

853
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,399
Speaker 1: is the reaction in your body? If any you.

854
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:59,240
Speaker 2: Know I it does actually like amp me up, because

855
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 2: I like, I don't I don't know if this is

856
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 2: like a cheesy answer, but like, and I'm not saying

857
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 2: this to be like a keener or like a brown noser,

858
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 2: but like, I like being part of a team, and

859
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 2: so much of my art in my work is solitary,

860
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 2: you know, I'm not part of a band, Like I'm

861
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 2: a solo you know, singer songwriter. Like if I have

862
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 2: a band, they work for me. And like when I

863
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 2: there was just not a lot of like team building

864
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 2: going on, and the movies I did it was cool,

865
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 2: but it's a short period of time. One Tree Hill

866
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 2: was the first thing, and it came along when I

867
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 2: was college age, because I was nineteen or something like that.

868
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 2: When I gone on the show when it was like

869
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 2: it truly felt like a team, and I wasn't ready

870
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 2: for it. I didn't expect to fall in love with

871
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 2: being part of a group like that. But when we

872
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 2: were doing I came on the show at a time

873
00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 2: when I think the show was also happened to be

874
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 2: taking off. So they use me for the promo and stuff.

875
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 2: But when that song will come on we walk on

876
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 2: to TRL or we'd be doing different signing or mall,

877
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 2: it would make me feel like, whoa, it's a weird feeling.

878
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,240
Speaker 2: This isn't my song, This isn't like Ladies and Gentlemen

879
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 2: Tyler Hilton. But it made me feel like there were

880
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 2: always other people in the cast around me, and it

881
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 2: made me feel like, yeah, I don't know, made me

882
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 2: feel like this is our team. And a much cooler

883
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 2: answer would be like i'd be like, oh God, here

884
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 2: we go again. But even still, when we're doing these

885
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 2: conventions and stuff, and I joke about it a lot, like,

886
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 2: you know, here we go, it's gonna be like not out.

887
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 2: But even there's a small part of me that when

888
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 2: I hear that, I'm like, it feels like are like

889
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 2: taking the field music or something like that, you know,

890
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 2: And I don't know, I kind of dig it. I

891
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 2: get excited and I'm not that tired of it. And

892
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 2: I mean, Govin's great, Kevin's a great artist. I really

893
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 2: like his songs. But you would think I would be

894
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 2: kind of tired of this song point and I get

895
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 2: like this sparta thrill out of it when I hear it,

896
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 2: like yeah, here we go.

897
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: I don't know, do you have a favorite memory for

898
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 1: montre Hill?

899
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 2: You know, there is like a lot, but like I

900
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 2: think looking back, the like the like sweetest and the

901
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 2: one that's like, oh my gosh. Like I had no idea.

902
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 2: Was like when I they wanted me to go on

903
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 2: the show and play one song, and uh, and I

904
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 2: was going to go do a song and then continue

905
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 2: on my tour and I didn't know anything about the show.

906
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 2: I didn't just like with walk the Line, I didn't

907
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 2: want to do it and all this stuff. And my

908
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 2: label was like, you know, this is part of our

909
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 2: rollout for your single or whatever. You have to go

910
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 2: on this show and sing the song and they want

911
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 2: you to like say lines as this guy. And I

912
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 2: got to Wilmington. I'd never seen the show or heard

913
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 2: of it. Or anything. And I remember the front office

914
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 2: gave me a box of VHS's and I got there

915
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 2: on a Friday. I was going to film on a Monday,

916
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 2: I think a Friday was there for like the fitting

917
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 2: or something. I went to Walmart and bought it one

918
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 2: of those TV VHS combination situations. I plugged in my

919
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 2: room and I was like, let me just watch the

920
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 2: first episode of this thing that weekend. I crushed the

921
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 2: entire first season. I was so into the show. I

922
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 2: got so into it, and I never really gotten into

923
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 2: a teen drama like that. So Monday, when I went

924
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 2: on set, instead of being like, oh hi, Hillary, nice

925
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 2: to meet you, Hello Sophia, I was like, oh my god.

926
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 3: That's Peyton.

927
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 2: Like in a weekend, I'd become a super fan of

928
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 2: the show. And so I think, like, looking back, that's

929
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 2: like one of the sweeter moments for me. Also because

930
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 2: I was a new fan of the show and now

931
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 2: I was walking onto the set of my new favorite

932
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 2: TV show and I happened to be a character on

933
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 2: it all of a sudden, it was like the weirdest

934
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 2: you know, it was the weirdest thing. So I was,

935
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 2: you know, I was in the scene with all the

936
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 2: people that I was just in a show, just binginging,

937
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 2: you know, but a lot of like after that.

938
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: I remember the first time I saw you performing on

939
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: our show, you say, I think it's love gun A

940
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: loaded gun, loaded gun. Yeah, I'll never forget because I

941
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: didn't know who you were at the time. I hadn't

942
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 1: heard your music, and we had never cross paths our characters,

943
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: and I remember having an actual moment of thinking, Oh, dang,

944
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 1: this guy's this guy's the real deal. He's really weird. Yeah.

945
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 1: I remember being very impressed with you, and that was

946
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 1: super cool about it was come full circle to you

947
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: and I doing the drama Queen's tour. You performed in

948
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,359
Speaker 1: like Boston or one of the shows, and I had

949
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 1: a similar moment where I was like, oh, and this one,

950
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 1: Like that tour was right when you and I, like

951
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,959
Speaker 1: our friendship really kind of started to click into place

952
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 1: because we'd always been like friendly, but we had never

953
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: been proper friends. But I remember watching you perform on

954
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: stage and I was I was so proud. I was

955
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,240
Speaker 1: beaming as if like you were my son or something.

956
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: But it was like I'm watching my buddy rip it up.

957
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: He's so good. Oh, dude, it was so cool. But yeah,

958
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 1: my first impression of you was like, oh, this kid's

959
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: the real deal. He's like really really good at this.

960
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, it's funny though. And season nine, when we

961
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 2: kept interacting and I've told you this before too, I

962
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 2: kept being like, I feel like Rob and I should

963
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 2: be friends, and we're like, have no opportunity to be friends, Like,

964
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 2: there's no we're never in scenes together. We lived in

965
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 2: different areas of the town, we were in different clicks

966
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 2: on the show essentially, and there was just no And

967
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 2: I think you would even either done something with Megan

968
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 2: or she would run into and I remember she'd be like, oh, yeah,

969
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 2: I hung with Rob Buckley or I saw him, and

970
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 2: I'd be like, I think I've even told her. I

971
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:34,879
Speaker 2: was like, I want to be friends with that guy?

972
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 2: How do I like? Why? Why aren't we How do

973
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,280
Speaker 2: we become friends? And then after that drama Queen's Tour,

974
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 2: I think we were like, that's it, let's be friends.

975
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 2: How do we do this? You know what I mean?

976
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 1: It's like we.

977
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 2: Were in like such similar circumstances. We're both in towns,

978
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 2: we had no other friends. We were both like chained

979
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 2: to our houses. Because we were like new fathers and

980
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 2: we were like, that's it. This is the moment, you know.

981
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: I remember being in the back of a cab with

982
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: you and coming coming back to the hotel after one

983
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: of those shows, and I remember feeling it so clearly

984
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 1: in my heart that you were supposed to be in

985
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: my life, like this, this is a friend who is

986
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: supposed to be in my life. And it was like,

987
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:17,399
Speaker 1: all right, because same as you. Every time we cross

988
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,760
Speaker 1: paths at a convent, she'd be like, that guy's great,

989
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: we should talk more, you know. But that's kind of

990
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 1: where it ended.

991
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 2: Now.

992
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,280
Speaker 1: Weber being in the back of the cab going like this,

993
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 1: this guy needs to be my friend. We need to

994
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: be we need to be friends. And wow, and then

995
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: we have we bonded over being dads and all the

996
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 1: fun stuff. Yeah, being fish out of water in these

997
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 1: towns where we don't know people, and no, when.

998
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 2: I think we've done like a great job at like

999
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:45,320
Speaker 2: and maybe this is being older, is like really putting

1000
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 2: effort into the friendship. And I think at this age too,

1001
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:51,320
Speaker 2: it's so easy to get lonely and to not share

1002
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 2: your feelings with other people or other guys. But we're

1003
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,720
Speaker 2: going through so many similar things. It's such a crazy

1004
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 2: thing what happened during this pandemic as artists, You and

1005
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 2: I as dads leaving LA and both moving to random towns.

1006
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 2: You know. Like it's been important for me for us

1007
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 2: to talk as often as we have because a lot

1008
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 2: of my relationships with guys before you essentially was you know, stunting,

1009
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 2: you know, being a little bit like yeah, you know whatever.

1010
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 2: And with you, I feel like i've over the last

1011
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,399
Speaker 2: couple of years. You know, You're the kind of guy

1012
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 2: that I could be like, I don't know what I'm doing, man,

1013
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know, Like I'm totally lost here,

1014
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 2: you know, And it's nice to have a dude to

1015
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 2: do that too.

1016
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. Man, the feeling's mutual. I you know, we're parents,

1017
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: Like you don't have much free time, so I don't

1018
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: have the time to do those kind of phone calls,

1019
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: Like I have only a set free amount of minutes

1020
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 1: each day. I need to make them counts. It's like, yeah,

1021
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 1: I need to make the call where I can be like,

1022
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: my kids are driving me nuts. I'm about to lose it, buddy,

1023
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: what do I do? You know? As opposed to being

1024
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 1: like hey, what's up? Did you watch football this week?

1025
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 2: You know, it's like, come on, one that you can

1026
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 2: understand if your kid is trying to pull the phone

1027
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 2: out of your hand while you're talking, they're like, come on, man,

1028
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 2: just call me. When you're like what is this? You know,

1029
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 2: it's like I feel you. In fact, one of my

1030
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 2: proudest moments is when your son asked you if you

1031
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 2: wanted to call me while you guys were in the

1032
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 2: car the other day.

1033
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: I was like, ah, yeah, that was adorable. Man. Should

1034
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: we call Tyler? Dad? Dads like, we absolutely should call Tyler? Man?

1035
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: And then we called you and you said hey, Grover,

1036
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: and he said, I'm unavailable right now. I'm reading a book.

1037
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: I was like, look at you playing, who are you Tyler?

1038
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 1: Trying to turn down the role of Elvis? Okay, buddy,

1039
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 1: well listen, we gotta wrap this thing up. But before

1040
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 1: we do, why don't you tell the folks what you

1041
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 1: got going on?

1042
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 2: Oh man? First of all, I just want to say

1043
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 2: Lance and everyone with the podcast, like, thank you for

1044
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 2: giving us the opportunity to do this. Is so good

1045
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 2: for me to just every time we get to talk

1046
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:53,919
Speaker 2: and hang out and it's hope. This wasn't too boring

1047
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,280
Speaker 2: and was interesting to you guys. But this was very fun.

1048
00:51:56,719 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm going out on tour in November, so

1049
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 2: I'll be all across the United States. So if you

1050
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 2: guys want to check it out, my instagram is Tyler

1051
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 2: Hilton Tyler Hilton dot com where the tour dates are.

1052
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 2: But I'll be in LA and the West Coast a lot,

1053
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 2: and I'm touring a lot next year too, So just

1054
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,800
Speaker 2: that's my main thing at a lot of shows right now.

1055
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 1: You got a little book action going on.

1056
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, and I got the kids book coming

1057
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 2: out in the spring, so I'll let you guys know

1058
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 2: more about that when it comes out. But it's called

1059
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 2: Daddy Liven Concert and it's just about a dad, you know,

1060
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 2: putting on concerts for his kids, which I did a

1061
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 2: lot during the pandemic. And it'll be a I think

1062
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,359
Speaker 2: it's like really sweet situation too.

1063
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: You got you Got music concert, it's a tour a

1064
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 1: book author. You find the time, I'm want.

1065
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 2: To start making them put author in front of my name,

1066
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 2: even though it's just a kid's book author.

1067
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: You're a multi hyphen it now you realize that, Shoot,

1068
00:52:54,200 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 1: you're actor singer author on Triple Threats. That's incredibles.

1069
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 2: When you write a kid's book, I realized it's really

1070
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 2: only a page on a PDF, you know what I mean,

1071
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 2: because they spread it out over an entire book. Once

1072
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,240
Speaker 2: the book was done, I was like, Oh, there's my book.

1073
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 2: You could print it out on a piece of paper

1074
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Speaker 2: or two.

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Speaker 1: Hey man, silent movies aren't any less of a movie

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Speaker 1: just because there's no dialogue, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: Books a book got published? Baby?

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Speaker 2: What about you? What do you? What are you doing?

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00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: You know? I'm just trying to find a new hairstyle

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00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: that fits the size of my giant head. I'm also

1082
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,479
Speaker 1: doing this podcast called Drama Queens. It's a one Tree

1083
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 1: Hill rewatch podcasts with Sophia Bush and Bethany joy Lenz

1084
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 1: and just dadding my face off and.

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00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 2: Wait time to ask what? And I've kind of got

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Speaker 2: into this a little bit at the convention, But like,

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Speaker 2: how is it watching these episodes back? It's been fifteen

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00:53:55,440 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 2: years since you film some stuff? Is it like someone

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00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 2: forcing me to watch home movies every week? Or like

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00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 2: is it cringe worthy for you? Or is it like

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00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:08,240
Speaker 2: what you think?

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Speaker 1: It's all of that My first note from the first

1093
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 1: episode I watched was, oh, my god, we were babies

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00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 1: because we all look so young. And there have been

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00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: plenty of cringe worthy moments, whether it's just like something

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Speaker 1: I'm doing, like a performance of mine, or it's a

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00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: storyline that has not aged well. I've also forgotten so

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00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 1: much of the show that I'm basically watching as a

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00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 1: first time viewer. There's some big stuff I remember, but

1100
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: it's but it's cool. Though.

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Speaker 2: Did you ever watched it? Have you ever watched these episodes?

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00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: I think I watched most of I joined season seven,

1103
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 1: eight and nine, and I think I watched most of

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00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:52,760
Speaker 1: those episodes when they aired. But when the show was done,

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00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 1: I was I was very comfortable leaving it in the

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00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: past because it was kind of a rough time for

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00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 1: me personally, So I was it was more than comfortable

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00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: just going like, great, let's close the door on that,

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00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 1: and that's that can stay back there, and.

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Speaker 2: You did a bunch of other stuff, so you're like

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00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 2: focused on the next thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And it was also because it wasn't like a fun

1115
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,280
Speaker 1: time for me, Like it wasn't a lot of great memories.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, like, personally, I was just I was

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00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 1: on the struggle bus man, and so like the going

1118
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 1: back to like when I like, when you hear the song,

1119
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 1: like my viscile reaction is I kind of go wow,

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Speaker 1: because that that theme song is sort of interwoven into

1121
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:32,839
Speaker 1: this time where I was just having a really tough time.

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00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: It's a bit different now now it's sort of a

1123
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 1: mixed bag because it's like it has taken on a

1124
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 1: new meaning and in doing this podcast, because I'm able

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Speaker 1: to revisit it with adult eyes.

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Speaker 2: When you started the show, if I can ask, like.

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Speaker 1: Fifty one, No, No, I was let's see, I turned

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Speaker 1: thirty on the show, so probably twenty eight or twenty nine.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's a whole different time to enter a show. No,

1130
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:58,359
Speaker 2: it's totally crazy. Yeah, because for me, I hear that song,

1131
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:00,479
Speaker 2: that's like hearing my high school theme song or something.

1132
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 2: I'm like nineteen or whatever it is, you know, and

1133
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 2: like that's that is wild And I was off the show.

1134
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's really interesting. Yeah, you entered the show

1135
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 2: as a full man. That's wild.

1136
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 1: Well, really, I'd hit puberty like three years prior, so

1137
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 1: it wasn't quite a full man yet, but I was.

1138
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Speaker 1: I was definitely on my way all right, gang, thanks

1139
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Speaker 1: for joining us. Lance. I hope you're having the best

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00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 1: time at Magic Camp. Hopefully next time you can be

1141
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 1: here when we do this. We love you.

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00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 2: This was fun. Thank you, guys. Thank you for listening.

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Speaker 2: If you guys are still listening by the end of

1144
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:33,359
Speaker 2: this episode, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: All right, have a good one everybody.

1146
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 2: See you guys, Hey, thanks for listening. Follow us on

1147
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 2: Instagram at Frosted Tips.

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Speaker 1: With Lance and Michael Turzenar and at Lance bast for

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00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 1: all your pop culture needs, and make sure to write

1150
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:49,360
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Speaker 1: can see you next time.