Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we are straight out the
Speaker 1: womb and into the Chris Westleying podcast studio here with
Speaker 1: Patrick Claybonn and really lucky to be joined by him
Speaker 1: today and Patrick Darty wrote a world coming up a
Speaker 1: little later to talk about post hype sleepers from the
Speaker 1: world of fantasy. And we'll do some dumb stuff at
Speaker 1: the end, but yeah, Jim Harbaugh getting us off to
Speaker 1: the right start this week.
Speaker 2: Famously are again now co worker ochbar Bosha Bama says
Speaker 2: he remembers being born, so he and coach Harball have
Speaker 2: that in common.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's just listen to this sound. Now, this was
Speaker 1: going to be part of dumb stuff later, but let's listen.
Speaker 3: Just the way it feels. I mean, it feels like
Speaker 3: New Year's Day, you know, it feels like being born,
Speaker 3: feels like coming out of the womb. You know, it's
Speaker 3: like you're in there, it's comfortable and it's safe and
Speaker 3: and now you're out.
Speaker 4: You're born.
Speaker 3: The lights are on, you know, it's bright, chaos. People
Speaker 3: look people looking at you, people people talking at you,
Speaker 3: and uh, it just feels good to have it happen.
Speaker 1: There is like a medical condition I've done I've done this,
Speaker 1: you know, research before people that can really remember things
Speaker 1: to an incredible degree. Now there's also people that say
Speaker 1: they remember coming out of the womb. There is no
Speaker 1: scientific proof or way to disprove really that Akbar is wrong.
Speaker 2: No, I'm look, if somebody says that they remember that experience, like,
Speaker 2: I don't want to remember it because, as Coach outlines, there,
Speaker 2: the lights are bright. You've never seen light before. Yeah, people,
Speaker 2: you've never seen people before. You don't you don't understand anything.
Speaker 2: It's got to be chaotic. I don't want to remember,
Speaker 2: but you know, shout out to anybody that does a lot.
Speaker 1: I think the condition or whatever you call is highly
Speaker 1: super autobiographical memory. H Sam, one of just sixty people.
Speaker 1: You know, there's about sixty people in the world with
Speaker 1: this that actually can't remember things like and be right
Speaker 1: about it, but not not then. And yeah, that would
Speaker 1: be a tough that'd be a tough memory. Here, here's
Speaker 1: what you got slime all you know, I got stuff
Speaker 1: all over you. Not a medical term there, just caused
Speaker 1: a lot of pain for someone that you love. I
Speaker 1: found as a new dad. It was a tricky experience.
Speaker 1: People say that's like the best moment of your life.
Speaker 1: I did not feel that because it was it was
Speaker 1: a tough situation. The person I have, you know, loved
Speaker 1: the most in this life, my wife was not in
Speaker 1: great condition right then, and there was a lot going
Speaker 1: on and it was a little dicey. So I was
Speaker 1: very happy that that part was over and happy to
Speaker 1: see my daughter Ellis, but I would not It took
Speaker 1: a little while for it to set in and to
Speaker 1: get over the fact that this person I've known for
Speaker 1: a long time just went through something extremely traumatic.
Speaker 2: And now imagine that from Ellison's standpoint, right right, that's
Speaker 2: that's a whole lot.
Speaker 1: So right, they had to like take her over to
Speaker 1: the and you know, Nick, you the intensive carry unit
Speaker 1: because it's like a soft head and stuff.
Speaker 5: They's just a lot going on.
Speaker 4: So yeah, that's what training camp is like, Perbro.
Speaker 1: And you know the best part is if you watch
Speaker 1: the clip on YouTube, we are there, like and subscribe
Speaker 1: us there. He actually motions what it would be like
Speaker 1: coming out of that womb. Jim Harbor. I love having
Speaker 1: Jim Harbor in the NFL. And yeah, they're down in Elsa.
Speaker 1: I hope to get there at some point during training camp.
Speaker 1: So close, we're so close to it, and they are
Speaker 1: at their new facilities, and he's he's just the best.
Speaker 1: And yeah, they were one of the last teams to report.
Speaker 1: Now every single team is at training camp, even the
Speaker 1: teams that had to wait one extra day because they're
Speaker 1: starting on Monday night football. Everyone is there, virtually, everyone
Speaker 1: is practicing. It is how happening. And let's talk some
Speaker 1: news before we get to the dumb stuff. All right,
Speaker 1: let's start in San Francisco. One surprise, one mini surprise,
Speaker 1: but not really today. Let's start with the obvious news,
Speaker 1: which is Brandon Ayuk is holding in he is not practicing.
Speaker 1: He was seen at the side of practice briefly on
Speaker 1: Wednesday and then went inside to have a conversation with
Speaker 1: general manager John Lynch. I don't know if they decide
Speaker 1: I've seen this in the past, that they decide it's
Speaker 1: almost a distraction for him to be standing out there.
Speaker 1: He might as well stay inside. He's in the meeting rooms,
Speaker 1: I assume, and lifting weights and all that, but maybe
Speaker 1: not out of practice. The bigger surprise with Trent Williams
Speaker 1: was not there, did not report for training camp and
Speaker 1: is looking for a new contract one of the best
Speaker 1: players in the NFL.
Speaker 5: That's newsworthy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely newsworthy. And you know the results, like
Speaker 2: we've seen it time and time again, when Trent Williams
Speaker 2: is not there, he's the biggest piece literally infigatively on
Speaker 2: that offensive line. He's a part of what makes everything go,
Speaker 2: what makes them so dominant. And it makes perfect sense
Speaker 2: to me at this point in his career still having
Speaker 2: that value and using whatever leverage he has, you know,
Speaker 2: because it's it's more difficult now than it was before,
Speaker 2: but you can still use that to say, hey, would
Speaker 2: I would like to be compensated properly.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So he has three more years left on his deal,
Speaker 1: so that's tricky. They maybe did not see this coming,
Speaker 1: but he's been so good, the best tackle in the league,
Speaker 1: that he has quite a bit of leverage, I believe,
Speaker 1: and he's willing to take the fines. I did a
Speaker 1: deep dive on these mandatory fines because it's confusing, But
Speaker 1: Trent Williams is at a point in his career where
Speaker 1: he will be fined. It's a mandatory. They can't waive
Speaker 1: it even if they want to. I believe it's fifty
Speaker 1: thousand dollars a day. That's a lot of money. But
Speaker 1: he will make a lot of money when he gets
Speaker 1: this contract adjusted. He is on the books for a
Speaker 1: thirty one million dollar cap figure this year, but the
Speaker 1: actual money he's making is much lower. It's under twenty
Speaker 1: five million, and he sees under twenty one million. He
Speaker 1: sees the market out there. And I don't think it's
Speaker 1: a disease of more thing that pat Riley famously talked
Speaker 1: about with the heat when you win. I think it's
Speaker 1: just a disease of you have all these great players
Speaker 1: and a lot of continuity.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm sure some folks might look at it
Speaker 2: and look at the contract situate like Debo, the bosas right,
Speaker 2: and so it's like, oh, well the forty nine ers
Speaker 2: just you know, guys are grabbing more. This is just
Speaker 2: what happens, Like you said, when you have players of
Speaker 2: this caliber, you have to pay those guys, and they
Speaker 2: want those guys around, so they ultimately end up doing it.
Speaker 2: And you know, fingers crossed, maybe for Ayu that'll take place.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he had signed Trent Williams's signed a six year
Speaker 1: deal three years ago. Now, so yeah, it's been a
Speaker 1: minute and we'll see that one's interesting.
Speaker 5: Ceedee Lamb.
Speaker 1: By the way his fines, he can be fined by
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. I didn't mention this on our previous show,
Speaker 1: but because he's on a fifth year option, there is
Speaker 1: a rule in the CBA the team can waive it.
Speaker 1: So that is a situation where he's almost certainly not
Speaker 1: going to pay any fine money in the end, and
Speaker 1: I do think that we'll get done. In other contract news,
Speaker 1: Tua toungue of Iiloa is not doing everything at Dolphins camp.
Speaker 1: He's there, He's doing some drills, not all drills. I'm
Speaker 1: not big into the D word distraction, but maybe the
Speaker 1: w weird just weird.
Speaker 5: It's just a little weird, especially in and near the quarterback.
Speaker 5: It's unfair, but the quarterback is just different.
Speaker 2: And like coach noted that, their relationship right, it's it's standard,
Speaker 2: it's the same. Nothing's gonna strain that. My question is
Speaker 2: why are why is why is this still happening? Like
Speaker 2: the price is not going to go down, right.
Speaker 1: Because I don't think they've got to pay him. This
Speaker 1: is the trickiest situation contract situation. I think in the
Speaker 1: league that his numbers would say he should just get
Speaker 1: at the Joe Burrow type of contract, just like right
Speaker 1: near the top. I don't think they're gonna pay him that,
Speaker 1: so I think it's a stand I think it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a little bit of a standoff. You might have
Speaker 1: to swallow some pride or take a little less money.
Speaker 1: I think they're trying to get him at a lower,
Speaker 1: lower amount. Well, then it puts me be wrong.
Speaker 2: Put him a situation where okay, so Toua signs for
Speaker 2: something very short term, right, okay, and then he outperforms that.
Speaker 2: Now you've got the same exact problem, but it's even worse. Right,
Speaker 2: So if you gotta you would see it would seem
Speaker 2: to behoove them to make some sort of decision where
Speaker 2: if you dropped them out there to be the starting quarterback,
Speaker 2: considering the seasons that he has had, you're saying he
Speaker 2: should be paid.
Speaker 4: So it's just gonna cost them money, right, Like.
Speaker 1: Maybe, But I guess I'm looking at this as a
Speaker 1: view of like, he's not necessarily their quarterback in three years.
Speaker 1: He probably is, but they I think they're maybe checking
Speaker 1: to see if he stays healthy another season. I think
Speaker 1: that's I think that's part of it, and so maybe
Speaker 1: they're being a little more hardline than most teams. We'll see.
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, of course got his money. He got one
Speaker 1: of those short term contracts. I'm sure they'd give him
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones' contract like two years, forty million dollars a year,
Speaker 1: which for Daniel Jones was great, but it's a very
Speaker 1: clean out after two years. I wonder if they're they're
Speaker 1: closer to that type of deal. Good news for Jones
Speaker 1: is that he is healthy enough to practice fully at camp.
Speaker 1: He's taking all the first team reps at camp. I
Speaker 1: found that a little noteworthy because our friend Daniel Jeremiah
Speaker 1: put it out there over the summer on his podcast
Speaker 1: Moved the Sticks, which I believe is on a high eight.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding, it is still happening. I need to
Speaker 1: not throw out that bad information. It's great him and
Speaker 1: Bucky and Tua. I mean, Daniel Jones will be backed
Speaker 1: up by Drew Locke, and Daniel seemed to indicate he
Speaker 1: thought Drew lock has a real chance to win this
Speaker 1: job long term, but for now they're not giving him
Speaker 1: any reps.
Speaker 4: Yeah, for now, it's it's dimes all the way I could.
Speaker 4: I could see a scenario if Daniel Jones.
Speaker 2: Isn't right one hundred percent back because athleticism is such
Speaker 2: a big party in this game, and maybe Drew Lock
Speaker 2: sneaks in there. There's also Tommy DeVito still around. Oh,
Speaker 2: Tommy DeVito's still out there.
Speaker 1: I have noticed that Tommy DeVito never gets mentioned on
Speaker 1: Hard Knocks when over there talking about quarterback. I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess that's obvious, but like they went through the
Speaker 1: whole backup thing, they never mentioned DeVito. They really wanted
Speaker 1: Tyrod back. That didn't happen. They made sure to get
Speaker 1: locked in the building because they thought he was great.
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, it was interesting on the latest Hard Knocks,
Speaker 1: you know, had a conversation with Joe Shane. They didn't
Speaker 1: show it, but Shane talked about it of you know,
Speaker 1: when they were going into trying to get these quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: and they did try to trade up for Dadon Daniels.
Speaker 1: They did try to trade up with the Patriots for
Speaker 1: Drake May so they were down with either one. It
Speaker 1: didn't happen. Patriots didn't want to do it obviously that
Speaker 1: they told Janel Jones ahead of time and then they said, look,
Speaker 1: if if we don't court, if you see Drake May
Speaker 1: around the building, don't get freaked out. And now they
Speaker 1: didn't get one, and they got a weapon. And I
Speaker 1: think Daniel Jo's I don't think know if he's underrated
Speaker 1: at this point, but I think people forget who he is.
Speaker 1: His first two years in the league. I always said, like,
Speaker 1: he's way closer to league average than people give him
Speaker 1: credit for. I would put him just below the Dalton line.
Speaker 1: So that's not like what you want out of a
Speaker 1: top ten quarterback. But he also is in a disaster.
Speaker 1: He's just been in a bad situation. I think if
Speaker 1: you put him in a good situation, he'd be like
Speaker 1: a mid level Bridge quarterback.
Speaker 5: And so for a couple of years he was underrated.
Speaker 1: Then he had that one year and I was like,
Speaker 1: he's really not this good guys like, he's still that
Speaker 1: same guy, but the situation's better. The Giants over pay him,
Speaker 1: and now he's back to like underrated again because he's
Speaker 1: not the thirty second best quarterback in the league. To me,
Speaker 1: I think if he got in good situations, he could
Speaker 1: have a Teddy Bridgewater type of career.
Speaker 2: I think, right because we get The thing that leaps
Speaker 2: off the page, right was those seventeen turnovers right in
Speaker 2: eight games.
Speaker 4: He had like a really really bad stretch. He's not that.
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody is really that guy that's going
Speaker 2: to give the ball up that much. But then he
Speaker 2: went into super safe mode where the risks weren't really
Speaker 2: There's got to be some in between where he has
Speaker 2: to be willing to turn the ball over.
Speaker 5: But all he could make.
Speaker 1: He used to those first two years. Actually, he is
Speaker 1: a pretty thrower of the football. It's why he got
Speaker 1: drafted that high. Like he can do that. So I'm
Speaker 1: just hoping Brian Dable can get that go and make
Speaker 1: them more watchable. One big contract that happened on Tuesday
Speaker 1: was Christian Dara Sagany, a four year, one hundred and
Speaker 1: thirteen million dollar contract, ton of guaranteed money on that
Speaker 1: nice development story for him two years out from being
Speaker 1: a free agent. So again, these are teams that are
Speaker 1: being smart and getting ahead of the market and he
Speaker 1: got paid. And it's a reminder. Tackle, maybe more than
Speaker 1: any other position, seems to take some time. Because his
Speaker 1: rookie year, everyone got on the vikings of like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know about this guy. This guy's a reach
Speaker 1: and then shows up second year and he's awesome.
Speaker 2: Asking a lot for rookies to start, especially a tackle,
Speaker 2: And now they've got I think Darrisol's twenty five. I
Speaker 2: think he just turned twenty five too, and so you
Speaker 2: get that youth value at this position for a long time.
Speaker 2: I think it's a great deal sign more guys early,
Speaker 2: like I was talking about with Tua.
Speaker 4: If you can foresee them being a part of your team,
Speaker 4: then why.
Speaker 1: Not seventy seven million dollars guaranteed forty three point seven
Speaker 1: at signing. I bet that's gonna look great in two
Speaker 1: years when the actual extension even starts. And yeah, I
Speaker 1: think the Vikings are in better shape.
Speaker 5: I made a I got Vikings.
Speaker 1: Twitter annoyed on Wednesday, pointing out that Michael Pratt Tulane
Speaker 1: getting more first team reps right now than JJ McCarthy
Speaker 1: because I was begging this drum during draft season. I
Speaker 1: was like, is JJ McCarthy and Michael Pratt that different?
Speaker 1: I like, look at Michael Pratt, and I see a
Speaker 1: guy who's going to be in the NFL for twelve years.
Speaker 5: That was just like taking a little shot.
Speaker 1: He's getting first team reps only because Jordan Love's not there,
Speaker 1: but I think he's going to be a good backup.
Speaker 1: But I actually it is kind of high on the Vikings.
Speaker 1: I don't know what they were over unders, but I
Speaker 1: bet I would take the over. I think it's a
Speaker 1: good team around, like around that quarterback position. I think
Speaker 1: the defense has a lot of potential. I trust them
Speaker 1: more than the Bears, but that way. We talked a
Speaker 1: lot about the Bears on our last show with Stacey
Speaker 1: Dale's but I think the Vikings have a chance to
Speaker 1: be five hundred this year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially considering what they were able to accomplish last
Speaker 2: year with the situation after Kirk went down. I didn't
Speaker 2: think about it like that, but yeah, why wouldn't we.
Speaker 1: Believe two great tackles, like literally one of the best
Speaker 1: tackle combinations in the league. That's hard to find. Two
Speaker 1: great receivers in absolutely premium position. Maybe the best one
Speaker 1: two in the league has a chance to be I
Speaker 1: think Jordan Addison is that good and more defensive talent
Speaker 1: than you realize, and good coaching, like they have a
Speaker 1: lot that you want. It wouldn't surprise me if they're
Speaker 1: in the playoff Micks. All right, we'll fly through the
Speaker 1: rest of these news items. Sad that Michael Gallup retired.
Speaker 1: Sad for me. I hope he is happy with it.
Speaker 1: He had signed with the Raiders this offseason. He had
Speaker 1: struggled with injuries. We had him on the Around the
Speaker 1: NFL podcast before last season, and you know, he was
Speaker 1: trying to come back from that acl and he never
Speaker 1: fully got back to what he was early in his career.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's so explosive, right, and a part of
Speaker 2: just a really good run on Cowboys offense. And you
Speaker 2: know that's it's just a sign of what can happen
Speaker 2: to a guy when things go wrong physically. It's not
Speaker 2: like he did something wrong. It's an accumulation of things
Speaker 2: that didn't go right.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's so obvious, but it's just such a
Speaker 1: brutal sport. I thought about it with when Ryan Ramcheck
Speaker 1: retired to that twenty seventeen Saints class for instance, like
Speaker 1: it just it's maybe the best rookie draft class of
Speaker 1: the last twenty years, and yet after five or six years,
Speaker 1: it's tough to stay at that level. Now, Ramcheck, you
Speaker 1: can can't play right now because of injuries. But even
Speaker 1: Alvin Kamara like time comes for everyone.
Speaker 5: Time is a thief.
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory doesn't didn't report for your mini camp, I
Speaker 1: mean training camp. He also didn't report for mini camp.
Speaker 1: They don't seem to know why. He also sued the
Speaker 1: NFL this offseason and the Broncos, So there's a lot
Speaker 1: going on there. Not sure if he's going to show
Speaker 1: up with the Bucks or not. Cooper dejen is out
Speaker 1: three weeks to start training camp. He's on the NFI list.
Speaker 1: He suffered a hamstring injury in off season training that
Speaker 1: we didn't know about, so could take him a little
Speaker 1: while to get going. But they're pretty deep in the secondary.
Speaker 1: And then I liked I saw that Kyle Shanahan offered
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick an open ended job.
Speaker 5: Did you see this?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Just job.
Speaker 1: He was just like, whatever you would want to do?
Speaker 1: Do you want to join my staff? I wish I
Speaker 1: liked the idea of Belichick in the media. But that
Speaker 1: would have been cool too, Yeah, it would it. Maybe
Speaker 1: maybe it would be cool. Maybe it wouldn't have had
Speaker 1: any material effect in my life. That's another It could.
Speaker 4: Have gone horribly wrong.
Speaker 2: Or they you know, they might win the Super Bowl anyway,
Speaker 2: so it's it's one of those things.
Speaker 5: But Belichick didn't didn't want to do it.
Speaker 1: But I think that shows I do like Kyle Shannan's
Speaker 1: the confidence of like, yeah, I'll put Bill Belichick in
Speaker 1: my room. I'm not going to be like threatened by him.
Speaker 1: I just know he's gonna make me better, us better.
Speaker 1: Belichick's probably thinking, like, this guy's gonna steal stuff from me,
Speaker 1: but Shannonan's probably thinking he'll do the vice versa anyway.
Speaker 5: He wouldn't mind.
Speaker 4: It's a risk worth taking for Kyle.
Speaker 1: No one was Mike Shanahan's bigger public supporter as like
Speaker 1: one of the greatest coaches of all time in Bill Belichick,
Speaker 1: so that those ties run deep. Finally, we got a
Speaker 1: trend here to start training camp a couple puke stories.
Speaker 1: Jamison Williams puked at training camp today and then return
Speaker 1: the next play and scored a touchdown. I mean, if
Speaker 1: that's not football is back, then I don't know what is.
Speaker 1: McKay Beckton also puked four times, supposedly at Eagles practice
Speaker 1: hot there in Philly early in camp.
Speaker 5: That's not great.
Speaker 4: No, it's not great.
Speaker 2: And throughout my track career you find out that there
Speaker 2: are certain people who just simply physical exertion equals regurgitation,
Speaker 2: like that that's a part of their deals. And some
Speaker 2: people come to it a whole lot easier and then don't.
Speaker 2: I don't even always think it has a lot to
Speaker 2: do with people's stomachs or food.
Speaker 5: Some people do it before games because they just are
Speaker 5: so nervous.
Speaker 2: Some people are just giving it back and I'm like, whoa, like,
Speaker 2: are you okay? And then they're just they're running a
Speaker 2: ry with puker. No I am not. I have to
Speaker 2: have consumed a pathogen. I will not name the establishment,
Speaker 2: but I received a case of dia burger from this
Speaker 2: one well known national chain.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I'm not a huge one, but I in college. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they don't close the bars in New Orleans. You show up,
Speaker 1: they're eighteen. It was eighteen to get into bars when
Speaker 1: I was going there, Like it's asking a lot to
Speaker 1: make it through the night, and these nights last a while,
Speaker 1: night after night, and so I was very much like
Speaker 1: a boot and rally guy where I would I would
Speaker 1: pull the trigger at two pm as like almost as
Speaker 1: a matter of course, not every night, but quite often,
Speaker 1: and then keep going because other wise, I would just
Speaker 1: be on the floor or you.
Speaker 4: Know, I that's the I mean, you.
Speaker 1: Always felt better I did. I also was a strawberry
Speaker 1: the game. Yeah it was stupid, obviously, but this is
Speaker 1: what you do when you're That's what I did when
Speaker 1: I was in college.
Speaker 5: I also puked.
Speaker 1: The worst experience I ever had. Why are we talking
Speaker 1: so much about this? But was as a strawberry truck
Speaker 1: driver up and down the East Coast. I've mentioned I
Speaker 1: had this job before, of course after freshman year of college.
Speaker 1: And yeah, you learn fast. Yeah it's free strawberries. Just
Speaker 1: got him there all day. You're in a truck for
Speaker 1: twelve fourteen hours. Like there's a limit to how many
Speaker 1: strawberries you can eat. Don't just like eat it all day?
Speaker 1: That was a one time mistake. Jameson Williams maybe is
Speaker 1: also a guy who just eats poor food.
Speaker 5: Randy. I don't know if you have this to fly up, but.
Speaker 1: He has posted on Instagram over the years some like
Speaker 1: that's a very revolting food.
Speaker 5: What is this exactly, Randy? Can you can you step in? Yeah?
Speaker 6: That is a mcflurry on top of a cheeseburger that's
Speaker 6: on top of a double quarter pounder correct game recognized game.
Speaker 6: I understand not wanting to admit that you knew any
Speaker 6: but I mean we all know that's.
Speaker 5: What you've done that before.
Speaker 2: No, it's just you know, the two pickles. You can
Speaker 2: see the two patties there. It's clearly a clearly a
Speaker 2: double quarter pounds or MC double one of the two.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if Williams, uh yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: know if that had anything to do with what happened.
Speaker 1: What is this is? This is another instagram from from.
Speaker 6: What I can from what I can infer, it appears
Speaker 6: to be nacho cheese, ground beef on top of hot cheetos.
Speaker 6: So this, I mean, this looks like ballpark food though
Speaker 6: like something you'd get at.
Speaker 4: A high school.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I got to the front or something of a
Speaker 1: line at Dodger Stadium this week and I thought they
Speaker 1: had some like carne asada tacos, but then it was
Speaker 1: just the carne asada on top of the cheesy nachos.
Speaker 1: And I got to the front after waiting a wow,
Speaker 1: I was just turned right around.
Speaker 5: I was like, I can't get that. There's no way
Speaker 5: that's happening.
Speaker 1: Jamison Williams, though confirmed dog put them up your fantasy
Speaker 1: boards now. And speaking of fantasy, let's talk to Rota.
Speaker 5: Pat. You're not done with me today. Patrick.
Speaker 1: We're gonna come back after I talked to Pat Dherty
Speaker 1: and we're gonna wrap up the show with some dumb stuff.
Speaker 1: But before that, Yeah, I'm excited about this fantasy season.
Speaker 1: I'm diving more into it. Some post type sleepers, some
Speaker 1: guys not past their prime but maybe not getting as
Speaker 1: much sign as they used to.
Speaker 4: After this.
Speaker 1: Back on NFL Daily, one of my favorite fantasy minds
Speaker 1: in the game. We're not waiting until late August this
Speaker 1: year to talk fantasy. We're doing it in July. We're
Speaker 1: gonna sprinkle in fantasy segments each week as you get
Speaker 1: ready for your draft. And no other man I'd rather
Speaker 1: start with than Pat Dherty, who I've tried to take
Speaker 1: credit for hiring over at roadal World multiple times. And
Speaker 1: then Evan Silver reminds me he's like I hired him, man,
Speaker 1: I'm the one that hired Pat. I was like, I
Speaker 1: supported him. I think his tweets are funny. Pat Dready,
Speaker 1: what's up?
Speaker 7: Evan hired me, You supported me.
Speaker 8: You hired me in spirit though, because no one would
Speaker 8: have been allowed to be hired without your approval.
Speaker 5: There you go.
Speaker 7: You still had you both hired me. This might be
Speaker 7: early for you in fantasy. You're very late, though.
Speaker 8: We've been talking about it since really, probably before the
Speaker 8: championship game weekends, like we don't even wait for the
Speaker 8: Super Bowl to be over, but there's only four teams left.
Speaker 8: Then you kind of start talking out the following year.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the game, the game has changed.
Speaker 1: Not to do it back when I was doing it,
Speaker 1: but yeah, this was the ramp up period.
Speaker 5: Certainly we paid attention.
Speaker 1: We did news at OT's, but there was just not
Speaker 1: the competitive social media tweeting of like the entire industry
Speaker 1: already doing ADP and best ball in like April. Everything
Speaker 1: is different. That's why I need someone like you to
Speaker 1: sort it out. And so we're gonna do an exercise.
Speaker 1: Actually we used to do back at rohatal World, which
Speaker 1: I think is very useful, which are called post type
Speaker 1: all Stars and post type all Stars to define it
Speaker 1: for the listener. They at one point were built up
Speaker 1: their ADP. Their average draft position was probably pretty high.
Speaker 1: It didn't work out for whatever reason, and now it's
Speaker 1: lower and it's part of the two things I think
Speaker 1: are the most important fantasy football, if you don't want
Speaker 1: to over complicate it. It's like, number one, take good
Speaker 1: players like that are talented and great at football, like
Speaker 1: that's very important. And then number two, playing the game
Speaker 1: is just buy low and sell high, Like, don't take
Speaker 1: Travis Kelcey in the one season of his career where
Speaker 1: he's in the first round. Take them after an off year,
Speaker 1: and hopefully we're gonna go through all these positions and
Speaker 1: get a lot of guys out there. But these are
Speaker 1: the types of guys I would be targeting in draft
Speaker 1: without even necessarily being huge fans of them, just because
Speaker 1: their their value is low and it's lower than it
Speaker 1: was in the past, even if they're still in a
Speaker 1: good situation. So I'm going to start out with wide receivers.
Speaker 1: I think that's where I had the most people. I'm
Speaker 1: going to go T Higgins as my first one, and
Speaker 1: he's a lot of times this is going to be
Speaker 1: like a young guy who actually hasn't done that much,
Speaker 1: and T Higgins actually has done a lot. But I
Speaker 1: just couldn't help noticing. I looked at Fantasy Pro's average
Speaker 1: RAPT position this year, last year, PPR. He was the
Speaker 1: fourteenth wide receiver last year. He's the thirtieth wide receiver
Speaker 1: this year. There's literally no difference in his situation other
Speaker 1: than he had a bad year last year and couldn't
Speaker 1: quite stay healthy. But he's the same guy, the same opportunity,
Speaker 1: and he's getting taken four rounds later and we've already
Speaker 1: seen him be great, so to me, he is kind
Speaker 1: of a perfect post type allster.
Speaker 8: Well, yeah, there's no difference in his situation except for
Speaker 8: Tyler Boyd is gone and there's right target competition and
Speaker 8: Joe Mixon has gone, who is one of those highly
Speaker 8: targeted running backs in the entire NFL. And really the
Speaker 8: only thing that is different with T Higgins's situation is
Speaker 8: that he was always slightly overdrafted. He's always taken like
Speaker 8: a wide receiver eleven or twelve before, and he's the
Speaker 8: classic guy where he didn't quite return adp quote unquote
Speaker 8: a few years in a row. So instead of just
Speaker 8: like put him where he really should be, like in
Speaker 8: the probably the wide receiver fifteen or sixteen range, everyone
Speaker 8: is now over corrects, of course, and he's the wide
Speaker 8: receiver twenty nine or thirty.
Speaker 7: So I totally.
Speaker 8: The only thing was different, like positives for him, it's
Speaker 8: the classic contract year narrative, and they.
Speaker 7: Really need him. It's not a super deep scope.
Speaker 8: It's very top heavy, some superstars to the top, but
Speaker 8: it's not like the deepest skill core or anything like that.
Speaker 8: So they really need him. And yeah, he was someone
Speaker 8: I almost put on my list. I did not, so
Speaker 8: I'm glad.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm glad. I'm glad you didn't. And yet I
Speaker 1: think this is sometimes it's good. You guys have been
Speaker 1: in the Fantasy Mines all season, all off season, digging
Speaker 1: that coal or whatever it is that you do, and
Speaker 1: I had I hadn't looked at average apposition until yesterday.
Speaker 1: And then sometimes these names just like stand out as
Speaker 1: like common sense.
Speaker 5: Why is that dude so low? You give me one
Speaker 5: that you like?
Speaker 8: It's not the coal mines where sand mines by their silica.
Speaker 8: Is that what it's called. Yeah, we did nothing as
Speaker 8: glamorous as coal in the Fantasy Mines, but this first
Speaker 8: one could be stretching the definition a bit. I'm going
Speaker 8: to go with George Pickens, who is not like he's
Speaker 8: like under hyped, but kind of like t Higgins, he
Speaker 8: was over hyped the past two years a little bit,
Speaker 8: maybe still only barely two really strong seasons to begin
Speaker 8: his NFL career.
Speaker 7: But it's people.
Speaker 8: They don't want to touch the Steelers offense because Russell
Speaker 8: Wilson is toxic, Arthur Smith is maybe the most toxic
Speaker 8: fantasy figure in the.
Speaker 7: History of the game, and people his huge finish last year.
Speaker 8: So the best stretch of George Pickens's career came when
Speaker 8: people kind of weren't paying attention to him, they'd already
Speaker 8: kind of written him off, and they switched to Mason
Speaker 8: Rudolph of all people sparks like the best three game
Speaker 8: stretch of his career, Like even marginally improved quarterback play
Speaker 8: really got George Pickens exploding down the stretch. There's this
Speaker 8: zero target competition. He seems like a good fit with,
Speaker 8: like Russell Wilson's moon balls to me, unless unless Russ
Speaker 8: is totally done, which is no.
Speaker 1: You know, the one thing Ruskin absolutely still do at
Speaker 1: an elite level is throw a sexy deep ball. That's
Speaker 1: what our original producer TD used to say in the
Speaker 1: back in the day, Like he throws a sexy depot.
Speaker 1: If he's protected, he can still do that. I don't
Speaker 1: know if he can do that much else justin fields
Speaker 1: can throw a nice deep ball too. Pickens is wide
Speaker 1: receiver twenty seven, and their wide receiver room is a
Speaker 1: borderline disaster.
Speaker 5: It's all off season, like.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the Steelers. They're going to add a big
Speaker 1: name before the season, Like who is trading their receiver
Speaker 1: to the Steelers?
Speaker 5: It's all Pickings. I love that. I'm gonna go, man,
Speaker 5: I have.
Speaker 8: Brandon Ayuk would retire if he were traded to the Steelers,
Speaker 8: by the way, so if they actually got the big name,
Speaker 8: he would just retire.
Speaker 5: I don't know, man.
Speaker 1: He's been putting out like instagrams where he put up
Speaker 1: the Washington you know, play calls and stuff like he had.
Speaker 1: He was like looking at their coaches film from their
Speaker 1: internal that was a problem. So he was he was
Speaker 1: down with the Commanders, but he also was down with
Speaker 1: the Steelers because he mentioned that. That means his agent
Speaker 1: was putting a burd in his ears, like these are
Speaker 1: the teams that will pay you that money, but I
Speaker 1: don't think they're going to give up the first round pick.
Speaker 8: He is posting cryptic trade demands so often that I
Speaker 8: don't even have Instagram anymore, and they still just show
Speaker 8: up on my phone every morning. Brandon, I U cryptic
Speaker 8: trade requests from Instagram stories.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna go with Stefan Diggs. I wanted to
Speaker 1: be a little spicy here again. I just looked at
Speaker 1: wide receivers who fell in ADP from this year to
Speaker 1: last year, and he was fourth last year. He's twenty
Speaker 1: third this year. Everyone's going to be worried about the
Speaker 1: target share there.
Speaker 5: I don't care. He's good. He was still getting open.
Speaker 1: It's the classic too, first year in Dallas or Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: honeymoon year, and twenty third to me is too low
Speaker 1: for a guy that talented. I don't think it'll be
Speaker 1: top ten necessarily again, but I'm I think people over
Speaker 1: worry about the fact that there's other good receivers there.
Speaker 1: He's still going to get plenty.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you can nitpicked with all three of the lead
Speaker 8: Texans receivers, but you should do with the least, probably
Speaker 8: with the superstar like you said, and it is.
Speaker 1: I love Nico Collins, but he's wide receiver eleven into me.
Speaker 1: They're about the same in terms of fantasy value, and Nico.
Speaker 8: Collins do that just seems like buying at his absolute peak,
Speaker 8: a pretty rare third year breakout.
Speaker 7: He's clearly very good.
Speaker 8: The Texans front office agrees they've paid him seventy two
Speaker 8: million dollars, but you'll get kind of a one year
Speaker 8: wonder so far in Nico Collins. Tank Dell we love,
Speaker 8: but I really dislike when guys as a rookie kind
Speaker 8: of live up to their negative pre draft billing. So
Speaker 8: Tank Dell lived up to his positive pre pre draft billing.
Speaker 8: Explosive play. Guy can make play us all over the field,
Speaker 8: you know, but he's undersized and small. You could get
Speaker 8: hurt and then to stuffer like a really serious orthopedic injury.
Speaker 8: Even though it's very questionable usage, I think is still
Speaker 8: a concern for Tank Dell. Steph Diggs is just like,
Speaker 8: was this a protest season or was this decline? And
Speaker 8: I am more inclined to believe it was a protest season.
Speaker 8: And for whatever reason, he no longer liked playing with
Speaker 8: the second best quarterback on the planet.
Speaker 5: And you can just see it.
Speaker 1: I've heard the reports out of Texans camp, but Paul Gallant,
Speaker 1: who's on the radio there was like, I've never seen
Speaker 1: anyone practice harder than steff On Diggs. And it's like
Speaker 1: it's just like his press conferences are just he loves
Speaker 1: the world. He's talking positively about Josh Allen. It's just
Speaker 1: it's just all there. He's playing for a contract, and
Speaker 1: I will not dan for any Nico Collins slander. I
Speaker 1: love Nico Collins, so I will not call him a
Speaker 1: one year wonder. But it doesn't matter to me. That
Speaker 1: doesn't take away from Diggs. And they know there is
Speaker 1: no world where he is gonna be happy being a
Speaker 1: second receiver, and there's no world where his talent would
Speaker 1: would make him one.
Speaker 5: Give me another wide receiver, Pat.
Speaker 8: What if he is the second receiver by the way,
Speaker 8: and then just immediately protests but uh, the second one.
Speaker 8: I don't know if this one counts you. I think
Speaker 8: it does count. Christian Watson, Yes, that actually.
Speaker 1: Is a perfect way. I don't believe in it. I
Speaker 1: looked at him, but he is a tailor made post
Speaker 1: type all star. I'm just not with it because I
Speaker 1: think that Dantavian Wicks is better.
Speaker 5: I shot you down before you even made your point.
Speaker 6: You did.
Speaker 7: There's yeah, there's a lot.
Speaker 8: It's this is kind of like a total Battle Royale
Speaker 8: receiver corps where there is like a genuine like hand
Speaker 8: to hand combat for the targets. But Christian Watson, he's
Speaker 8: never not been productive when he plays the promise he
Speaker 8: just doesn't play very often. But he quite literally went
Speaker 8: to the lab to get his hamstring issues figured out.
Speaker 8: Like we're big into the lab narrative here at Rotal World,
Speaker 8: where he went and was studied like like a science
Speaker 8: experiment and they figured out like the strength and balance
Speaker 8: that was making him suffer hamstring injuries every other week.
Speaker 8: And even with the Battle Royale an uncertain target situation,
Speaker 8: it just seems like there's you talked about the two
Speaker 8: main tenants in fantasy. Are they good? Are they of value?
Speaker 8: It just seems like there's too much value to be had. Okay,
Speaker 8: the guy with his track record is the wide receiver
Speaker 8: forty one. So I do love Christian Watson as a
Speaker 8: post type guy.
Speaker 5: Okay, wide receiver forty one. It's fine. My issue is
Speaker 5: just and I don't think he Dantavian Wicks does not
Speaker 5: fit this exercise.
Speaker 1: He's just a straight sleeper or whatever you want to
Speaker 1: call him. What I see is he's wide receiver fifty eight.
Speaker 1: And he would be I picked to be their leader
Speaker 1: in wide receiver yardage. And I like Jayden Reid and
Speaker 1: Dobbs enough that I think Watson's got a specific skill set.
Speaker 1: He might be a good best ball guy, you know,
Speaker 1: best ball's not my jam, but he'll have like four
Speaker 1: big time games. And otherwise he's just a deep guy,
Speaker 1: one guy. And again I don't know if he's I'm
Speaker 1: going to give you actually a bunch of names because
Speaker 1: I want to get through the receivers. I want you
Speaker 1: to pick who you want to talk about. But I
Speaker 1: think these all could make sense. Terry McLaurin, I've been
Speaker 1: wrong about year after year, but he's so talented to
Speaker 1: be the thirty first if Fantasy wide receiver that I
Speaker 1: just don't care about the situation. Jerry Judy, I don't
Speaker 1: know if I'd actually want to do it, but he's
Speaker 1: fifty ninth right now, So that's just a flyer, a
Speaker 1: post hype flyer. The what I believe the most. Cooper
Speaker 1: Cup doesn't work for me. I thought he would go
Speaker 1: be way lower when I looked at this list and
Speaker 1: he's still wide receiver eighteen. I was like, no man,
Speaker 1: the way he looked last year. Sorry, if he was
Speaker 1: in the twenties or thirties, maybe Deonday Johnson is the
Speaker 1: guy along with McLaurin here is probably my favorite why
Speaker 1: receiver forty one, the only guy on that team gets open,
Speaker 1: they're gonna be better just because you can't be worse.
Speaker 1: So to me, he has a nice little post type
Speaker 1: all star. But pick pick which one out of those
Speaker 1: you like the best. McLaurin, Deontay Johnson, or Judy Well,
Speaker 1: Judy was the classic.
Speaker 8: He was the last guy threw on my list but
Speaker 8: didn't put any notes for just because he's such an
Speaker 8: obvious post type guy. But no one really wants to
Speaker 8: make the case for him, So I'm just not gonna
Speaker 8: make the case for him.
Speaker 7: And it is Deontay Johnson.
Speaker 8: I mean, like fantasy, we focus so much on like
Speaker 8: workload and who was getting touches, and he got one
Speaker 8: hundred and forty targets three straight years for he had
Speaker 8: his protest season last year. Everything about the Panthers offense
Speaker 8: this year is about salvaging Bryce Young's career, getting him
Speaker 8: lay up looks. There's really no better like lay up
Speaker 8: receiver in the entire NFL than Deontay Johnson, Like you said,
Speaker 8: his ADP is just absolutely cratered. He's been beyond like.
Speaker 1: It makes no sense, Like we have seen how good
Speaker 1: he is, We've seen him produce. People are scared because
Speaker 1: he's on the Panthers, but brace Sung had like a
Speaker 1: one hundred quarterback rating.
Speaker 5: Patrick Claybud mentioned this earlier.
Speaker 1: You know when he's thrown at Adam Thelen the only
Speaker 1: decent received a team, And to me, Deante Johnson is
Speaker 1: just a younger, better version of Adam Thelen, Like you're
Speaker 1: not going to get crazy explosive plays, but he's very
Speaker 1: good with with body cat like catching in traffic and
Speaker 1: he's gonna get open.
Speaker 8: I've been drafting him almost every team this year, and
Speaker 8: Judy was on my list. The other guys on my
Speaker 8: list with two other pretty obvious ones, well you could
Speaker 8: argue how obvious there are.
Speaker 7: One was Jamison Williams.
Speaker 8: I love how Dan Campbell basically Dan Campbell begins every
Speaker 8: press conference with like a Jamison Williams hype session. Right now,
Speaker 8: I feel like called him a man on a mission.
Speaker 8: I just he just will not quit talking about Jamison Williams,
Speaker 8: who had probably the best game of his career. In
Speaker 8: the biggest game of his career, in the NFC Championship Game,
Speaker 8: where he made some game changing plays. He's finally healthy.
Speaker 8: He maybe seems like he's finally with the program. Before
Speaker 8: the I promised you last week I would bring up
Speaker 8: a gross one. Okay, yes, and it's Quinton Johnston. Oh
Speaker 8: does he count because he might not even count.
Speaker 5: That counts. You gotta stand for it.
Speaker 7: But he might not count because he was never hyped
Speaker 7: to beginning.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, he was at least enough that people
Speaker 1: were drafting him, and before before he had a bad camp,
Speaker 1: people were, yeah, he's definitely that. But yeah, as two
Speaker 1: of the only you know, grown men that still use
Speaker 1: the word gross, which I think went out with Wicked
Speaker 1: back in the nineties. Although you're not nearly as old as
Speaker 1: I am, despite your four children, I mean, shout out
Speaker 1: to Rotopad getting it done here.
Speaker 7: I take my orders from that point.
Speaker 1: When did it become okay to make fun of parents
Speaker 1: for having like more than two children. Jim Gaffigan has
Speaker 1: a whole whole like bit about this, which is great
Speaker 1: that people just treat him like a freak. Like once
Speaker 1: you get to three or four, it's like, oh, what's
Speaker 1: wrong with you? Like, meanwhile, it's like everyone's got like
Speaker 1: seven dogs and no one gives them a kick.
Speaker 8: I don't know when it became okay, but I feel
Speaker 8: it acutely because when I tell people we have four kids,
Speaker 8: I seriously self consciously going, I don't know, man, like,
Speaker 8: we're not like it's not a religious thing. We're not
Speaker 8: like weird freaks. We just like kids, and we keep
Speaker 8: having kids. And I do feel very self conscious.
Speaker 5: Kids are Kids are great.
Speaker 1: They make you happier, and then you're like, Wow, this
Speaker 1: relationship is cooler than any other relationship I've ever had
Speaker 1: in my life. Maybe why not have more of them?
Speaker 1: Back in the day, four point five was like ADP
Speaker 1: for kids.
Speaker 5: So you're just old school.
Speaker 7: My family's only half done too.
Speaker 4: No, that's not true at all.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's right. People making you feel But
Speaker 1: all right, let's do running backs and quarterbacks. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start with one. And this is where I
Speaker 1: think when you're drafting fantasy, sometimes you gotta be emotional.
Speaker 1: Not just make it all about about your feelings. Just
Speaker 1: look at the facts. Tony Pollard was RB eight last year,
Speaker 1: a top fifteen overall pick when he was coming off
Speaker 1: a devastating injury. He is now much healthier, should be
Speaker 1: more explosive. He is now running back twenty nine. I
Speaker 1: get that he's not gonna have the same workload. In fact,
Speaker 1: I think Taj Spears is incredible and is also a
Speaker 1: good value. But both things can be true. Twenty nine
Speaker 1: For Pollard, I think kla as their offensive line coach,
Speaker 1: even though I didn't love what I saw last year.
Speaker 1: It's just if you just look at the facts, you
Speaker 1: look at his age, you look that he's healthier now,
Speaker 1: you look where he is and what his talent is.
Speaker 8: That's you could make the argument that it's a very
Speaker 8: good thing he isn't gonna have the same workload because
Speaker 8: his greatest success, both as a real life player and
Speaker 8: as a fantasy threat, came is like the one be
Speaker 8: the change of pace guy who got put on the
Speaker 8: field and situation. It was always like a third down
Speaker 8: where you can make an explosive play or in the
Speaker 8: red zone where you could score a touchdown. So maybe
Speaker 8: it's a good thing that the workload comes out.
Speaker 1: And yet I think it is They're going to run
Speaker 1: a ton and they'll each get two hundred touches in
Speaker 1: a perfect world.
Speaker 8: Just sue super convenient narratives like you said, he's actually
Speaker 8: healthy and he got paid. When someone gets paid, they
Speaker 8: want to use to it.
Speaker 7: So he got paid.
Speaker 5: Give me one. Give me a running back.
Speaker 7: Kenneth Walker, Like, I know it's Ryan Grudd.
Speaker 5: I thought about him.
Speaker 8: It's Ryan Grub, mister passing game from the University of Washington.
Speaker 8: But early in the offseason, Mike McDonald did the classic
Speaker 8: talking up Fire and Brimstone talking about the running game,
Speaker 8: he said he wanted to win the time of possession battle. Like, yeah,
Speaker 8: I feel like I hadn't heard that one in a while,
Speaker 8: especially from like a progressive minded coach like Mike McDonald.
Speaker 8: This was like April. So maybe it's like the Ryan
Speaker 8: grubbification of the offense. As intensified, they will look more
Speaker 8: like the UW offense and not like the Ravens offense.
Speaker 8: He's just such a rugged runner. He's the classic guy
Speaker 8: like if you want to limit Gino's attempts, if you
Speaker 8: do want to win the time of possession battle, Kenneth
Speaker 8: Walker gives you those kind of carries.
Speaker 7: He was not efficient last year, but.
Speaker 8: Things were just going south kind of in general are
Speaker 8: still a tackle breaking force, and he's like the RB
Speaker 8: sixteen seventeen. I think he could easily still get into
Speaker 8: that ten to twelve range.
Speaker 5: I think that's good.
Speaker 1: And Grubb had awesome offensive lines in Washington like they
Speaker 1: they always were coaching as well, And to me, he's
Speaker 1: a classic. Even though I like him, he's probably better
Speaker 1: in fantasy than reality because yeah, big he's gonna hit
Speaker 1: those fifty yard touchdowns and he's gonna have those negative
Speaker 1: two runs, but those negative two runs don't really matter
Speaker 1: that much in fantasy. Kind of the opposite of him,
Speaker 1: who I think is underrated is Ramondre Stevenson last year
Speaker 1: RB eleven. This one is an asdramatic, but thirtieth this
Speaker 1: year RB eighteen, fifty eighth. Just one of the few
Speaker 1: guys who is going to have the backfield to himself.
Speaker 1: They're not going to over use him like a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago, but it's great on passing down. Is
Speaker 1: clearly the best running back in that room. They paid
Speaker 1: him like a top five running back, and I think
Speaker 1: that shows what they want to do for him. So
Speaker 1: again it's just looking at value, like my son got
Speaker 1: carried away and took him in the second round last year.
Speaker 1: I think her first round. I think it was second round.
Speaker 1: It's like that was too much. But now he'll be
Speaker 1: fourth or fifth and give you that second round value.
Speaker 8: The only thing with Reminder Stevenson that I fear is
Speaker 8: Bill Belichick clearly determined that he caught too many passes
Speaker 8: and scaled back that role last year, and.
Speaker 7: Then they did great.
Speaker 5: He's a great receiver.
Speaker 7: Gibson. I just feel like it's back to back regime.
Speaker 1: I get it, but Jacoby and maybe not Drake me
Speaker 1: as much, but Jacoby loves loves dumping it down.
Speaker 5: So you're not moving me off this one. Give me one.
Speaker 7: Do I have to give you another? Running backs? I
Speaker 7: didn't really even want to say Javonte Williams, but I
Speaker 7: am just going I don't.
Speaker 8: I'm not drafting him, I'm I will say that. So
Speaker 8: one of the reasons he's a post type is because
Speaker 8: I'm not hyping it. But there's just so much talk
Speaker 8: about the Broncos running back competition and he still has
Speaker 8: the strongest case by far to be the number one guy.
Speaker 8: And he's kind of like Tony Pollard. Will He'll be
Speaker 8: another year removed from his injury. He didn't look right
Speaker 8: to me. No, he doesn't look totally right.
Speaker 1: In a minute, I just go, hey, the Denver situation
Speaker 1: seems to be one of those in fantasies.
Speaker 5: Just like you can you could just be like.
Speaker 8: No, no, I actually don't think it's never gonna help.
Speaker 1: Like maybe a waiver wire pickup that like hits for
Speaker 1: three weeks, that's what.
Speaker 5: I would want out of a Denver backfield.
Speaker 7: I don't think it's hyperbole. I don't think I've drafted
Speaker 7: a single Bronco.
Speaker 9: Now.
Speaker 8: I haven't done enough Best Ball drafts to do that,
Speaker 8: because you eventually draft everyone at some point.
Speaker 7: But I haven't drafted a single Bronco.
Speaker 1: Two's spicy ones here very late. One I really believe in.
Speaker 1: One that's just funny to me is Jackie Dobbins RB
Speaker 1: forty nine right now. I just think he's I just
Speaker 1: think it's Jim Harbaugh in the situation, and it might
Speaker 1: be something where he just helps you late in the season.
Speaker 1: But he is fully healthy. I know he's coming off
Speaker 1: a torn achilles. He's shown that level of talent that
Speaker 1: that's worth of shot. And then if you just want
Speaker 1: to get freaky in a deep draft. I mean, I
Speaker 1: couldn't have been more wrong about Damian Pierce. But if
Speaker 1: you go from the first round to RB sixty one
Speaker 1: and you're not totally confident in the guys in front
Speaker 1: of Damian Pierce staying healthy, I would take him in
Speaker 1: the seventeenth round. I mean, give me a little RB
Speaker 1: sixty one Damian Pierce, fine.
Speaker 8: Another one I would get freaky. I don't believe in
Speaker 8: this player at all either, But Alexander Madison is the RB.
Speaker 1: S okay, see, but we want we want players we
Speaker 1: believe in. I've seen Damian Pierce excel at the NFL level.
Speaker 1: That's the thing I think people missing fantasy. If you've
Speaker 1: seen it once, it can happen again, even if they're
Speaker 1: coming off a bad yue. Let's wrap quickly with quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: Give me your favorite quarterback pick.
Speaker 7: Does Kyler Murray count?
Speaker 5: Yes? He was one of my two. He counts.
Speaker 8: His ADP hasn't really fallen as much as I would
Speaker 8: have expected. He's like QB seven an underdog. He is
Speaker 8: QB ten really, and the more normy drafts I see thirteen,
Speaker 8: I see ten.
Speaker 5: It depends.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's got he QB seven on underdogs so like
Speaker 8: the sharp square quote or not fading him, like the
Speaker 8: general public will be fading him because he's just disappointed
Speaker 8: three too many times in fantasy and another he's never
Speaker 8: been in a better organized offense. He's another year healthier,
Speaker 8: he's gonna run more. He finally has another weapon, a
Speaker 8: signature weapon, and Marvin Harrison Junior. I just really like
Speaker 8: the way the Cardinals are coached and organized. It could
Speaker 8: be famous last words, it seems like it's gonna be
Speaker 8: his best setup he's had in a really long time,
Speaker 8: and that the dual threat will return a year removed
Speaker 8: from the injury.
Speaker 5: To be a quarterback.
Speaker 1: Like if you're not getting taken in the first four
Speaker 1: rounds or so four five rounds, it's almost like I
Speaker 1: don't care if I have to take Like if Kyler
Speaker 1: is gonna be one of my two quarterbacks, I'm fine
Speaker 1: taking him around early because he has that top three
Speaker 1: or four upside and you're not gonna have to use
Speaker 1: one of your first five or six picks on him.
Speaker 1: And so I love that. I think he'll run. I
Speaker 1: think he's gonna pass better than he ever has. Justin
Speaker 1: Herbert was getting taken sixth at this time, a year ago.
Speaker 1: He's now getting taken fourteenth. I think just people are
Speaker 1: wallowing the whole, like Jim Harbaugh likes to run the
Speaker 1: ball thing a little too much, and that this is
Speaker 1: where I'm just betting on talent. If Justin Herbert's my
Speaker 1: QB two like get out of here like Murray Herbert
Speaker 1: combo if you wanted, or even just one of them,
Speaker 1: and pick someone at the end and just go cheap
Speaker 1: at quarterback, He'll find a way to get yards. I
Speaker 1: think they'll run them a little bit more, maybe in
Speaker 1: the red zone than they have before.
Speaker 5: So I'm all about it. I believe in Harba.
Speaker 8: I believe in Herbert too, and it's become a mantra
Speaker 8: in fantasy. Tempts are a quarterback stat. We are going
Speaker 8: to find that out with the Chargers this year because
Speaker 8: we are getting the ultimate experiment and they're not.
Speaker 1: Gonna take the ball out of his hand. I think
Speaker 1: their defense might be pretty bad. Like he's the best
Speaker 1: player on the team. Jim Harbaugh has like posters of
Speaker 1: him on the wall that he goes to sleep through.
Speaker 1: What so he's gonna hand it off to Gus Edwards
Speaker 1: and JK. Dobbins fifty times a game. I don't think so.
Speaker 7: So now you don't like j K.
Speaker 8: Dobams H No, I like him, but I like him
Speaker 8: at But hey, you didn't say neither one of us
Speaker 8: had the courage to say Aaron Rodgers is he post
Speaker 8: type guy? No, that the lead balloon falls in the show?
Speaker 5: Where is he?
Speaker 1: He's outside the top twenty at quarterback and quarterback's crazy
Speaker 1: man because Caleb Williams, Stafford Rogers are all like outside
Speaker 1: the top fifteen, and it's just another reason not to
Speaker 1: take any quarterback early met Although you know, I don't
Speaker 1: know do what you want, but I won't.
Speaker 8: I want to take Aaron Rodgers, but I mean, we've
Speaker 8: seen vengeful Aaron Rodgers before and it's his best supporting
Speaker 8: cast in a long time.
Speaker 5: He's a fun QB two. That's a good one.
Speaker 1: No, I agree, that actually fits my profile, a player
Speaker 1: that's shown himself. He's like literally one of the best
Speaker 1: players of all time. Yes, and you're buying low as hell.
Speaker 1: Patrick Darty, one of the best Rodo writers of all time,
Speaker 1: still using the word roto world.
Speaker 5: How about that?
Speaker 8: I still think it's corny roto pep, but people remember it,
Speaker 8: So you gotta use it. And if I'm one of
Speaker 8: the you are the best what you do. I'm so
Speaker 8: glad you've got the show, and I'm so glad you
Speaker 8: had me on.
Speaker 1: Uh well, yeah, I want to have you on regularly.
Speaker 1: Like I said, We're gonna do fantasy, you know, regularly. God,
Speaker 1: I got the Big Dog, the Big Fish, even Silva.
Speaker 1: At some point, we're gonna we have a Mike Florio
Speaker 1: from NFL and Marcus Grant coming up in the studio
Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks. I think we're gonna do
Speaker 1: a mock draft, but just sprinkling that in, especially in
Speaker 1: draft season.
Speaker 5: Love you, Boddy, Thanks Pat.
Speaker 7: Love you too. Promise to yell at Evan. You guys
Speaker 7: need to yell at each other.
Speaker 1: Back on NFL Daily, wrapping up the show with Patrick
Speaker 1: Clayband before.
Speaker 5: He hits the road.
Speaker 1: Although he's gonna be on this show from the road
Speaker 1: Monday Morning show. He'll be in Cincinnati, excited for that.
Speaker 1: But in the meantime, he's gonna hit some teams before
Speaker 1: that though, let's talk about some dumb stuff. We just
Speaker 1: want to wrap up the show with dumb stuff. And
Speaker 1: you were talking about Patrick, like, who's going to have
Speaker 1: the quote of training camp. Would you say you thought
Speaker 1: Sean Payton had it last year?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's a little It kind of counts right
Speaker 2: because it's in an interview.
Speaker 4: You know, he's in his office, he's comfortable. And then
Speaker 4: I thought, like, who is in position.
Speaker 5: When he dog Nathaniel Hackett.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, when he provided maybe his analysis of the
Speaker 2: twenty two Denver Broncos.
Speaker 4: I want somebody to do that again this year.
Speaker 2: But I'm worried that there was so much fervor that
Speaker 2: everybody's going to be buttoned up in p's and q's
Speaker 2: in respect mode, that we're not going to get any fun.
Speaker 1: Well, Sean Payton's to me a good candidate to make
Speaker 1: it happen. I think Jim Harbaugh we already heard on
Speaker 1: this show he is a good candidate because older people
Speaker 1: not gonna say guys, but older people they don't care.
Speaker 5: They know, what does it really matter?
Speaker 1: Like there, I'm looking forward to being even more of
Speaker 1: that person that just doesn't care and they'll say whatever.
Speaker 1: And Sean Payton, he's won a super Bowl, he's made
Speaker 1: the money, he doesn't care. I really actually found this
Speaker 1: interaction at Broncos camp very funny. It was his Shohn
Speaker 1: Payton's first press conference of training camp.
Speaker 7: Coach Cecilamie Denver Sports. I'm gonna piggyback on the.
Speaker 4: Greg dulcuch thing. How far behind is he?
Speaker 2: Based on Lucas Kroll was maybe your best player this
Speaker 2: entire offseason.
Speaker 8: And I hope you had a good summer, by the way,
Speaker 8: I do too, But did you say Lucas was our
Speaker 8: best player, best tight end?
Speaker 4: It's arguable he was a No, I wasn't no, it
Speaker 4: wasn't all right. I'll answer you a question, but you're
Speaker 4: not close.
Speaker 5: Lucas Kroll.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're wondering who Lucas Croll is, He's
Speaker 1: a third year player who attended three colleges, has played
Speaker 1: for the Saints and the Broncos, has eight career catches,
Speaker 1: ended up at Pittsburgh, and like he's taken shots.
Speaker 5: There from his coach.
Speaker 1: But I found that very funny that he was not
Speaker 1: gonna take like weird hot take from someone who was
Speaker 1: at too many OTA's and just was impressed by Lucas Scroll.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and no.
Speaker 2: I do want to hear Lucas's reaction to that interaction
Speaker 2: because it's an ears burning types of choice, like whoa
Speaker 2: Lucas Kroll mentioned, and so like his phone's probably blowing
Speaker 2: up and now he's got to click on that quote,
Speaker 2: and like I want to I want to see him
Speaker 2: watching them.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Cecilami though, who asked that question old
Speaker 1: school fantasy guy online at football guys when I was
Speaker 1: starting at two thousand and three and still getting it done,
Speaker 1: and knows a lot about football, So I'm sure he
Speaker 1: just was really impressed by his off season workouts.
Speaker 5: But he was shut down eventually.
Speaker 1: Sean Payton actually threw out a couple names of like
Speaker 1: people that were better than Lucas Scroll and he said
Speaker 1: Patrick sartan good choice and Quinn Minors, who they just
Speaker 1: gave eighty million dollars too.
Speaker 5: So he was like, there are two players who.
Speaker 1: Has had better off seasons than Lucas Kroll, but that
Speaker 1: I love that it was unnecessary, but he wasn't wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna let that side. Do you have some candidates of
Speaker 1: who might also have some good quote?
Speaker 4: Well there was.
Speaker 2: Brandon Bean was reacting to an anonymous gem saying that
Speaker 2: Josh Allen was overrated, and he said, there's idiots everywhere.
Speaker 4: Mmm, okay, and I think it's not.
Speaker 2: It's not spicy because it's not like something that some
Speaker 2: other team is going to have to answer questions about.
Speaker 4: But it is.
Speaker 2: It is a fun quote that kind of takes me
Speaker 2: in the direction where I want these guys to be
Speaker 2: comfortable up there answering questions and not, you know, shying
Speaker 2: away from from having fun.
Speaker 5: I love that.
Speaker 1: It reminds me of Tom Emory, my high school tennis
Speaker 1: coach who who had a vision of this this group
Speaker 1: when we were just in in elementary school and it
Speaker 1: led to a high school championship.
Speaker 5: But he once told me.
Speaker 1: I remember a practice and he was like, Greg, one
Speaker 1: thing you got to learn ninety nine percent of people
Speaker 1: you meet in life are idiots. And I was like, well,
Speaker 1: let's coach. But I gotta say that that I don't
Speaker 1: know if ninety nine is high. That's a touch even
Speaker 1: ninety five I don't remember now, but it's a touch high.
Speaker 1: But I gotta say that quote pops up in my
Speaker 1: head in a way. Most words of wisdom at that
Speaker 1: age have not stuck with me quite as long.
Speaker 5: I want to hear from Jamar Chase. I like this.
Speaker 1: He was interviewed as part of the Top one hundred
Speaker 1: that we've been rolling out the top one hundred at
Speaker 1: NFL Network and on NFL Plus. My son Walker, it
Speaker 1: was actually watching it on NFL Plus going player by player.
Speaker 1: I don't think they got to Jamar Chase yet, but
Speaker 1: the NFL sent out this clip of them asking who's
Speaker 1: the best player in the league, who's.
Speaker 7: The number one player.
Speaker 9: I don't know what I'm not saying him. I give
Speaker 9: credit when with due, but I'm not saying his name.
Speaker 9: You're talking about, yeah, you do.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying his name.
Speaker 3: Brother.
Speaker 9: I'm sorry, Joe Burrow. I'm not saying that guy's name.
Speaker 9: He's good, he's amazing, he's good.
Speaker 4: Not gonna lie.
Speaker 9: I'm salty, though, a little salty two years in a row.
Speaker 9: Fro'm putting Borough first.
Speaker 1: So he said, he said, I'll give credit where it's
Speaker 1: too It's like, no, you're literally not giving the credit.
Speaker 4: But the credit. He said, he's amazing, he's awesome.
Speaker 1: He just said he Wasn't we all well confused because
Speaker 1: then he throws in Burrow's name a couple of times.
Speaker 1: But that almost made it worse because he's he's throwing
Speaker 1: his guy's name in there right after pointing out that no,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying Patrick Mahomes's name, but the same for him.
Speaker 1: Mahomes hasn't been their problem, right, like not exactly. I
Speaker 1: guess I don't know he's everyone's problem. What do you
Speaker 1: mean he wasn't their problem last year? But just that
Speaker 1: they're out there winning super Bowls when the Bengals are not.
Speaker 1: I think that's that's the problem. And that he's, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe the best quarterback of all time through the first
Speaker 1: seven years of his career. I wouldn't even say maybe
Speaker 1: he's definitely the best quarterback of all time through seven
Speaker 1: years of his career.
Speaker 2: It just feels like like them being the roadblock. Yes,
Speaker 2: it doesn't like if Cincinnati when when they have it
Speaker 2: all together. Yeah, it hasn't. It hasn't been the Chiefs.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: No, But I look, he's he's elevating Mahomes to like
Speaker 2: Babba Yaga territory and he's like not even talking about
Speaker 2: him a pencil and so yeah, I get I like
Speaker 2: the energy and it makes the games fun.
Speaker 5: It was just dumb, dumb stuff.
Speaker 1: Any other any other options for your quotes before we
Speaker 1: open the mail bag?
Speaker 5: Just quickly, Dan.
Speaker 2: Campbell walked out. They got a new podium in their media.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, and Dan Campbell is a large person. This
Speaker 2: podium isn't.
Speaker 1: I am so happy you brought this up. You can
Speaker 1: see it on the YouTube show.
Speaker 2: It's crazy a normal person is is making headway in
Speaker 2: that thing.
Speaker 5: I did.
Speaker 1: Nothing filled me with more glee today than just seeing
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell behind this boat, this yacht of a of
Speaker 1: a podium. And I like that there's a there's a
Speaker 1: cabinet on the side that's locked as part of it.
Speaker 1: I want to know what's in that cabinet. Is amazing
Speaker 1: that that podium. It's the opposite of the Bengals podium
Speaker 1: one year where everyone made fun of how small and
Speaker 1: dinky their podium was.
Speaker 2: There should be a fridge in there. There was always,
Speaker 2: you know, one of the team staffers. We would go
Speaker 2: to you know, Coach Stapans availability every every week in Tuscaloosa,
Speaker 2: and Cedric would bring his Coca Cola Classic and put
Speaker 2: it on the podium with that thing. You gotta have
Speaker 2: a fridge in there, and Coach Campbell could just he
Speaker 2: would have to walk around again, go watch this on
Speaker 2: the YouTube show. He would not be able to reach
Speaker 2: and open the door. He has to walk around the
Speaker 2: podium and open it. It's that big.
Speaker 5: It's amazing.
Speaker 1: It looks like it looks like one of the Tesla
Speaker 1: trucks that are, you know, just blating blighting the highways
Speaker 1: of Los Angeles.
Speaker 4: It's a little more aesthetically pleasing, it is.
Speaker 1: All right, We're gonna take a couple questions before we
Speaker 1: go that you guys sent in and comments to the
Speaker 1: mail box.
Speaker 5: What is our mail address again, Randy?
Speaker 6: That would be NFL Daily Podcast at gmail dot com.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, send us send us some questions about the
Speaker 1: show or the upcoming season, and and we're gonna try
Speaker 1: to get to them at a future episode NFL Daily
Speaker 1: Podcast at gmail dot com. All right, throw them up, Randy.
Speaker 1: Before we say goodbye, this is from Faith. I listened
Speaker 1: to at in the past three years after my dad
Speaker 1: sent me an episode. I love the show. So glad
Speaker 1: there's a sequel after the hiatus. I've enjoyed this show.
Speaker 1: Wondering if the podcast segments are gonna be new or
Speaker 1: will some from ATN return.
Speaker 5: My personal favorite inter.
Speaker 1: Monologues Dalton Scale by the way, Judge Connie was great.
Speaker 1: Please bring it back. We will definitely be bringing back
Speaker 1: Judge Connie. That was a lot of fun. I thought
Speaker 1: i'd address this because you might have noticed we haven't
Speaker 1: done the same thing. It doesn't feel right. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: we're here, it's a different show.
Speaker 5: Those were.
Speaker 1: Concept we all came up together, like, and it just
Speaker 1: doesn't that. It doesn't feel right to me. So as
Speaker 1: much as like I love doing them all and they're
Speaker 1: out there, it's like that those aren't mine to to do.
Speaker 1: That's how I feel and or ours, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Just that was that was around the NFL's
Speaker 1: those were those shows. Dalton Scales different. That's just in
Speaker 1: the universe. To me, that's bigger than anyone. That's that's
Speaker 1: telling the truth about how football works. Because that was
Speaker 1: even before the you know, that was just that was
Speaker 1: a concept Chris came up.
Speaker 5: So I think I referenced it in this show.
Speaker 1: So we will be referencing it and maybe maybe I'll
Speaker 1: do some Dalton Scale stuff.
Speaker 5: But that's now. For the most part, I don't want
Speaker 5: to do the same stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's not because of the quality of this
Speaker 2: stuff now, it's just.
Speaker 5: It's it's it's gone.
Speaker 1: But of course we're you know, people have asked, and
Speaker 1: we did say, you know, we're having the previous show,
Speaker 1: we're having a recap show, and we'll have picks of
Speaker 1: some sort and it'll just be it'll be different. Let's
Speaker 1: throw up the next one before we get out of here.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: Don Krean says, if and when things go south, why
Speaker 1: should Nick and talking about Nick Sirianni be fired if
Speaker 1: he didn't pick his own OC and DC, if how
Speaker 1: he picked Kellen and Vic, how he owned Kelen and Vic?
Speaker 1: Who owns is aggressive? Jeffrey Lurry owns Philly Accountability. This
Speaker 1: is just how it works, bro Like, when you're not
Speaker 1: in charge, you get blamed sometimes for things that are
Speaker 1: out of your control. And I think they viewed it like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll keep Nick Sirianni and we'll keep it under our parameters.
Speaker 1: These are the parameters he's gonna have to work with
Speaker 1: and if he can't make this work, sorry.
Speaker 2: And the first person that was made aware of those
Speaker 2: parameters was most likely Nick Sirianni.
Speaker 4: Sure, so he he is.
Speaker 2: You know, you want volunteers, not hostages. And Nick Sirianni
Speaker 2: is completely fine being the head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 1: That's a perfect point to make, because Doug Peterson was
Speaker 1: surprisingly fired, I believe based on the reporting that came afterwards,
Speaker 1: after not apting a similar idea exactly. He was just like, what, No,
Speaker 1: I won a super Bowl? No, and Nick Sirianni was
Speaker 1: was that close to winning a Super Bowl.
Speaker 5: But I get it.
Speaker 1: He has a very talented team, he loves coaching, and
Speaker 1: he's going to try to make this work.
Speaker 5: It is just a little weird, you know, slightly work because.
Speaker 1: Coaches usually picked their staff, but the Eagles do things
Speaker 1: a little differently in general, and for the most part,
Speaker 1: it's been very effective.
Speaker 2: And if, like we talked about Bill earlier, if Bill
Speaker 2: Belichick was willing to probably give a little lenience to
Speaker 2: his staff preparation and choices, then he'd be the head coach.
Speaker 1: Oh, I thought you were going to say he would
Speaker 1: be the head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles because they
Speaker 1: did speak with him, how he spoke with him maybe,
Speaker 1: so who even knows how that conversation went or how
Speaker 1: it could go in the future. That's something to watch
Speaker 1: watch out for. NFL Daily appreciate you guys listening. We
Speaker 1: have Brian Baldinger. Baldy excited about this segment we have
Speaker 1: cooked up with Baldy and Mike Carrifolo is going to
Speaker 1: be on the show to wrap up the week on
Speaker 1: Friday's show as well with some news, So looking forward
Speaker 1: to that, looking forward to having you Patrick back on
Speaker 1: on a Monday show. And until then, Yeah, we're.
Speaker 5: Out the womb. Just wipe off that gunkin. Let's go.
Speaker 4: Music by John Placento.
Speaker 5: For Patrick and Randy. You'll see you next day.
Speaker 7: Sal There's idiots everywhere.