WEBVTT - Ross Jackson on Saints Podcast | April 9, 2025 0:00:05.200 --> 0:00:09.680 Welcome in to the New Orleans Saints Podcast, presently by Seatcake. 0:00:10.240 --> 0:00:14.200 You'll hear from players, coaches, broadcasters and writers that cover 0:00:14.320 --> 0:00:18.400 the NFL on a daily basis. The New Orleans Saints 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:25.080 Podcast starts right now. Here's your host, Aaron Summers. 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:30.360 Welcome to the New Orleans Saints Podcast. I'm Aaron Summers. 0:00:30.360 --> 0:00:34.040 We're continuing our draft series as we head into the 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:38.080 draft April twenty fourth, looking at different prospects in different positions, 0:00:38.200 --> 0:00:40.560 and today we're doing something a little different. We're bringing 0:00:40.600 --> 0:00:43.920 in Ross Jackson because I mean, let's be honest, he 0:00:43.960 --> 0:00:47.040 knows everything about everything and I needed somebody to talk 0:00:47.080 --> 0:00:50.440 to me about tight ends today and Ross before we 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:52.080 get into it, I just need you to kind of 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:54.560 give me a summary of what you're up to these days, 0:00:54.560 --> 0:00:56.400 because it is hard to keep track. 0:00:57.200 --> 0:00:58.720 Yeah, we got a lot going on. First of all, 0:00:58.760 --> 0:00:59.360 thanks much for having me. 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:00.800 It's always a play to be able to be here 0:01:00.800 --> 0:01:02.840 with you, and it'll be able to chat with you. 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:04.480 You can find me on the. 0:01:04.319 --> 0:01:06.960 Locked On Saints podcast, which reaches two shows, the Daily 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:10.400 Lockdown Saints podcast, as well as every Monday and Thursday, 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:14.679 The Saints Squad, which features myself, Saints Wires, Dylan Sanders, 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:17.280 Athlon Sports, John Hendricks, as well as former New Orleans 0:01:17.280 --> 0:01:18.959 Saints wide receiver Lance Moore. 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:20.600 You can find all the written work that I. 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:22.759 Do over at Louisiana Sports dot Net as the Saints 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:24.920 beat writer there and you can find it all in 0:01:24.920 --> 0:01:27.240 one place the easiest way on your favorite social media 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:29.040 at Ross Jackson, Nola and Ola. 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:33.119 How is Lance? Is he trying to really talk up 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:35.240 his guys now that he's in the eighties. 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:39.119 He's playing a very clean game and we love him 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:41.840 for it. Now, he's been awesome. He's been excellent and 0:01:41.880 --> 0:01:43.720 obviously you know him being able to step into that 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:46.200 next career as a certified agent in the NFL. Everything's 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:48.240 been so cool. He's got several players in this year's draft. 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:49.960 It's been really awesome to just kind of hear about 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:50.480 his journey. 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:52.480 Yeah, I'm sure it gives you a different perspective on 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:56.520 some things too. So getting into the tight ends, obviously, 0:01:56.560 --> 0:01:58.960 Penn states Tyler Warren has been the one that's been 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:01.320 at the top of everyone rankings when you look at 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:05.400 the group here, Why is he your number one? When 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:08.200 it comes to basically every tight end ranking? 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:09.880 I've seen it. Yeah. 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:12.280 I mean, he's kind of the consensus guy. He's the 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:14.639 number one tight end in this draft on my board. 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:17.799 There are some dissenting opinions around it, which is good. 0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:20.680 You want those dissenting opinions, especially when it comes to 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:23.040 you know, different conversations and draft rooms. 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:24.079 And scouts and things like that. 0:02:24.120 --> 0:02:26.000 But I mean when it comes to Tyler Warren, it's 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:29.040 just the the eclecticism of his game. One hundred and 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:31.840 four receptions, two hundred and thirty three receiving yards, and 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:34.720 eight touchdowns last season with the Penn Saint Ntney Lyons 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:36.640 is the focus of that passing game, but also had 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:39.360 you know, twenty plus rushes for over two hundred rushing 0:02:39.400 --> 0:02:42.359 yards and another you know, just under a handful of 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:44.880 rushing touchdowns through a touchdown. 0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:45.280 Last year as well. 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:51.280 It's just the the the remarkable flexibility and versatility of 0:02:51.320 --> 0:02:53.240 his game. Is he going to be asked to be 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:56.200 a wildcat quarterback in the NFL? It depends on the 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:58.560 system that he goes to, but outside of that, his 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:01.000 ability to be able to play in line, meaning that 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:03.720 he's like tucked in right next to the offensive tackles 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:07.040 in the slot or all the way out wide like 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:09.560 you would see a wide receiver that alone, in terms 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:11.359 of his versatility to be able to do all those 0:03:11.360 --> 0:03:14.400 things makes him a kind of a can't miss candidate 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:15.840 in this year's draft as a playmaker. 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:19.360 You brought up his ability to get in there like 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:23.760 in the slot as a receiver, rusher, and passer. But 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:26.280 I think a lot of the adjectives that you hear 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:28.600 now with tight ends, as he's a receiving tight end 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:32.320 and not so much a blocking tight end as what 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:34.080 we've seen in the past. How have you seen the 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:37.120 position evolve and maybe what people are looking for change. 0:03:37.600 --> 0:03:39.840 Yeah, it's interesting because there's a lot of people that 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:42.400 want and look different. Teams are going to want different 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:45.040 things to different systems are going to require different types 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:48.040 of fits. But you see a lot now of these 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:52.320 collegiate tight ends coming into the NFL that are polished 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:56.360 pass catchers, in some cases polished route runners as well, 0:03:56.760 --> 0:03:59.880 but need to learn run protection, need to learn pass protection, 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:04.600 need to learn how to block with better maybe technique 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:06.520 than they were asked to in college, and things like 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:11.440 that. That's not entirely uncommon, but it's something that I think 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:14.520 now the receiving prowess of guys like brock Bauers and 0:04:14.560 --> 0:04:17.400 things like that who come into the league is certainly 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:19.400 more appealing. And I think the other thing that shifted 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:21.760 to Aaron is the expectation of size. 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:23.800 It used to be at six foot six, six foot. 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:27.159 Seven tight ends where the marquee types of players, But 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:29.479 now you're looking at kind of six foot three, six 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:34.320 foot four guys being perfectly acceptable first round, second round. 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:35.800 Investments at the position. 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:38.159 So I think those are two major shifts that we've 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:40.719 seen at the position in terms of the expectations making 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:42.960 that leap in that transition from college to the pros. 0:04:43.240 --> 0:04:44.800 It's funny that you bring that up, because when I 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:48.000 was talking to Juwan Johnson, who does recently signed that 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:51.560 three year extension with the Saints, he mentioned how he's 0:04:51.600 --> 0:04:54.120 not that big of a guy, and he changed from 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:57.200 receiver to tight end and he's going up against offensive 0:04:57.480 --> 0:05:00.599 our defensive linemen that are voices side, and I'm looking 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:02.960 at him like, Joan, you look pretty big to me, 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:06.720 Like you're kind of a big guy. But yeah, it 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:11.560 is interesting though that even he views himself as smaller 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:14.159 for a tight end. When you're being asked to block 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:17.440 and hold the ground. When you look at the next 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:20.320 few tight ends that maybe coming off the board, the 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:24.560 Michigan's Colston Loveland, do you have Miami, He's Elijah Royo. 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:29.359 Those guys though have been slated as receiving tight ends. 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:30.840 Yeah. Absolutely. 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:33.480 You know, Loveland coming out of Michigan is one of 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:36.520 the more polished route runners at the position, and I 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:38.960 think the truth of the matter is when it comes 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:41.960 to him, when it comes to Tyler Warren, when it 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:44.360 comes to Elijah Royo, you probably don't want those guys 0:05:44.400 --> 0:05:46.680 one on one with defensive ends, but typically you try 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:48.479 to avoid that being a part of your game plan 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:51.640 as an offense anyway. The bigger pieces can they contribute 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:54.800 for you as additional blockers in the run game, And 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:57.800 sometimes that's all about a willingness. Sometimes it's about just 0:05:57.880 --> 0:06:01.800 being in position and having your number, your jersey numbers 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:03.800 on your back towards that running back to give them 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:05.600 a lane to be able to cut through and things 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:07.160 like that. And so I think those are the things 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:08.840 that you look for on tape and that you can 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:12.280 find with a Colson Loveland, even though he's considered more 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:15.640 of a receiving tight end, but he certainly maybe fits 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:18.400 a little bit more of the traditional what we would 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:20.280 call like a true why tight end, a guy that 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:22.479 lines up in line, that stays site to the formation, 0:06:22.800 --> 0:06:25.240 but has the flexibility and versatility to be able to move. 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:28.200 Around, while Warren and Arroyo would probably be more. 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:30.839 Of what you'll typically refer to as kind of f 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:32.760 move tight ends guys, so you can move all around 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:34.960 the formation, do a bunch of different things with have 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:37.920 them do split split action releases out of the backfield 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:39.880 and all this other stuff. And so it's just kind 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:42.080 of this fun thing of like these different types of 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:44.240 chess pieces that you can now find at the tight 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:47.560 end position as that position continues to grow and the 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:48.600 talent continues to. 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:51.960 Grow, and you know, from college to the pros and 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:53.000 all these things. 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:56.599 But both those guys certainly more so receiving tight ends, 0:06:56.600 --> 0:06:59.040 But I think you'll look for do they have what 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:00.720 it takes to be able to maybe grow a little 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:02.240 bit as a blocker so you can have him on 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:05.640 the field for more looks, more downs, more situations things 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:06.000 like that. 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:09.800 LSU's Mason Taylor is somebody that has started to rise 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:16.040 in conversations around who and where you might draft him, 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:19.680 like who would go before him after him? He's kind 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:22.280 of on that three spot right now. Some people have 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:25.119 him around the fifth tight end that goes off the board, 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:27.680 but it does seem like he's starting to climb, they 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:30.520 have said. People have said, I hate the same thing 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:32.920 because it's like who is that? But it's been out 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:36.160 there that some people think he needs to put on 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:38.920 a little more size, and maybe that's something that they're 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:41.200 hoping that he can do, but they still like what 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:43.080 he brings to the table. I know you saw him 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:45.400 at his pro day at LSU. What do you like 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:46.000 about him? 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:48.080 Yeah, he's another guy that I look at and I 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:50.320 would personally say, what more size? 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:53.680 What do you mean? Like he's massive out there right right? 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:57.120 And then he moved extremely well also right it comes in. 0:07:57.280 --> 0:07:59.360 I think he's it's six foot four and he's in 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:02.720 the two four range. I think that's probably pretty solid 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:03.200 in terms. 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:04.600 Of what it is that you're looking for at the position. 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:07.040 Maybe you can bump them up into the two fifty 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:09.640 range more solidly. And we've got to remember sometimes too, 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:12.920 that where these guys work out where they like, the 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:14.800 weight at which they work out, the weight at which 0:08:14.840 --> 0:08:16.880 they test, the weight at which they do their offseason 0:08:16.960 --> 0:08:19.120 prep might be different than the weight that they actually 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:22.000 play at once they get to you know, game mode, 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:23.760 if you will, and things like that. So some of 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:26.440 that might be inherent to what his process is. But 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:29.480 running a four six five and you know, leaping and 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:32.320 giving you twenty eight bench reps and showing the strength 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:34.600 along with the athleticism and the explosion and things like that. 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:35.199 I think that's the. 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:37.960 Reason why you saw and why we're seeing all of 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:41.800 the they conversations around Mason Taylor really skyrocketing up boards, 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:45.240 Like he went from being a late day two guy 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:47.360 in the third round being somebody you might have to 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:49.400 invest in the second round in order to be able 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:52.320 to get and a bit of that is the attitude 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:53.319 that he brings. 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:55.199 He's got an NFL. 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:57.880 Pedigree as well, of course, and then him coming in 0:08:57.960 --> 0:08:59.920 and being a guy that can you know, be that 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:02.560 fifty to fifty jump ball winner in the end zone, 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:04.839 go up there and be bigger than the safeties and 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:07.240 defensive backs that he might be lining up with, but 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:09.440 then be faster than the linebackers that he's going up 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:11.760 against in the middle of the field. That's really really 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:16.040 interesting and obviously something that teams would covet, along with 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:18.319 the fact that he is somebody that will go out 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:20.280 there and block and do some of the dirty work too. 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:24.720 A lot of the prognosticators the mock drafts have said 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:28.040 that the Saints should select a tight end at some point. 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:29.319 You see that as a need for. 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:33.120 Them, I think so, I mean, maybe not necessarily a need. 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:35.600 Like the three year deal to bring back Juwan Johnson 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:39.200 gives you kind of a place for your future to head, 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:41.400 and he's somebody that obviously this team is invested in 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:43.959 multiple times over at this point, and with this new 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:46.840 coaching staff and everything, I think that that's going to 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:50.000 all be able to play to Juwan Johnson's strengths a bit. 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:52.400 And so I think the other thing that you're looking at, though, 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:55.360 is that as of right now, foss Row is in 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:57.760 a contract year, Taysom Hills in a contract year, both 0:09:57.800 --> 0:09:58.640 those guys coming off of. 0:09:58.559 --> 0:09:59.360 Injuries as well. 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:01.600 So I think you're looking at just preparing for your 0:10:01.640 --> 0:10:03.920 future at the position. If you're the New Orleans Saints, 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:07.160 I could see that being a logical thing to do, 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:11.079 just based on the situation of the entire the circumstance 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:13.880 rather or the entire position group as a whole. You've 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:15.760 got to be ready when you're going into these drafts 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:17.600 in twenty twenty five, You're not just looking for somebody 0:10:17.640 --> 0:10:19.680 to help you in twenty twenty five, you're going, Okay, 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:21.360 what can this person be in twenty twenty six, twenty 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:23.200 twenty seven, twenty twenty eight, like, you're looking at that 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:27.280 whole expanse of the rookie contract, and I think that's 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:30.360 something that you could see this team potentially taking the 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:32.160 consideration at the position this year. 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:35.520 As we move into later in the draft Day two, three, four, 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:40.000 heck even you know over the weekend Saturdays, rounds and 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:41.720 the Saints are needing somebody. Who are some of the 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:43.439 names we should be looking out for. 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:46.680 Yeah, I've got three like late round guys that I 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:48.800 really like in this year's draft, one of which has 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:50.360 already been connected to New Orleans. 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:51.199 So I'll start with him. 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:54.880 Nebraska Cornhuskers tight end Thomas fedoniuh the second. 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:57.040 He's the guy that comes in and has, you know. 0:10:57.080 --> 0:10:59.560 A little bit of the all around tag at tight end, 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:01.880 do a little of blocking, but is also not a 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:03.160 little bit of blocking, blocks very. 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:04.400 Well he's in that Cornhusker's offense. 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:06.520 Playing in Nebraska, you better be able to block, and 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:08.800 so you know him having that while also being a 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:11.440 guy that is, you know, a pretty good athlete and 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:14.000 a polished receiver with safe hands. I think that he's 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:17.400 one that I would watch for in Day three. Arondez Gads. 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:19.920 Then also the second. There's a lot of seconds in 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:22.600 this year's draft, not as many juniors. He's coming in 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:26.000 out of Syracuse. Probably he's a converted wide receiver. I'll 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:29.560 lad Juwan Johnson. So somebody that is of the type 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:31.480 and of the style of tight end that we know 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:36.240 this organization is comfortable with. Good route runner, good contested 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:38.520 catch guy, big hands, all those things. So I think 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:40.680 that those are the are reliable hands. I think those 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:43.400 are kind of the biggest attributes for him. Maybe not 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:47.200 so much a powerful blocker though, so maybe that's too 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:49.839 much of a leap late in the third, but I'm 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:51.880 relate in day three. But he's somebody that I really 0:11:51.920 --> 0:11:54.160 like as well. And then I'll finish with Mitchell Evans. 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:56.920 Notre Dame has been a program that we've watched New Orleans, 0:11:56.960 --> 0:11:59.240 can you know, go back to a few times over 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:01.080 the course of the recent past. There's something about that 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:03.720 pedigree that they like. When you have a head coach 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:05.760 like they have over there and coach Rima too, you 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:07.480 obviously want to be able to work with those guys. 0:12:07.760 --> 0:12:09.960 But Mitchell Evans is an interesting one because if you 0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:13.280 he's a watch the film guy, he doesn't have a 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:15.800 ton of stats, doesn't have a ton of things that 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:17.880 jump off the board at you when it comes to 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:20.199 a stat line. But when you watch him on tape 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:23.040 and you see that, you know, Notre Dame's offense just 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:25.760 didn't go to its tied end very much. You can 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:28.600 kind of see where he's working into the open areas 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:31.200 of the field. He's you know, running good routes. He's 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:33.439 you know, moving well and kind of the short area 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:35.720 quickness piece of the game where you're having a change 0:12:35.720 --> 0:12:37.599 direction and things like that. He just shows you a 0:12:37.640 --> 0:12:39.960 lot of promising things on tape while also again being 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:42.120 a willing blocker that I think that if you're looking 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:44.959 for somebody from a raw traits standpoint, even if the 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:47.000 stat line doesn't match up, he could be a really 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:50.120 interesting candidate for you, just in terms of what his 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:50.840 skill set. 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:53.520 Looks like, sounds kind of like somebody that we grabbed 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:56.520 those undrafted and Dolln Holker, you know you can, got 0:12:56.600 --> 0:13:00.320 some of those flashy moments and as a trait, he 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:04.920 stuck around. So Saints are are not afraid to try 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:06.760 out some guys that didn't get drafted, and they've done 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:11.320 very well with their undrafted free agents and a lot 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:14.040 of them have stuck around for a while. Since I 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:17.360 do have you and I'm the Saints Podcast, you know, 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:19.040 can you you want to just kind of give me 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:23.320 your thoughts on this whole Shador Sanders Staints draft in 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:27.440 a quarterback situation that seems that it has kind of 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:29.360 like taken over the last couple of days. 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:30.000 Yeah. 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:33.160 Man, it's the momentum around Schador has been so funny, 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:35.880 not so funny, but it's been so like remarkable to 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:39.160 see and it's been it's been really interesting to watch. 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:42.040 I would say that momentum wise, there's two big names 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:44.200 when it comes to quarterback for the New Orlean Saints draft, 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:46.880 and there's the consistent momentum and the sustained momentum which 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:49.079 has been felt like that's been old miss quarterback Jackson 0:13:49.160 --> 0:13:51.400 Dark from the very beginning of the draft process, but 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:54.839 the sort of peak of momentum is absolutely here right 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:57.160 now when it comes to Colorado passes Shador Sanders. 0:13:58.080 --> 0:13:59.920 Look, I don't know if the. 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:02.560 Saints are, you know, super in on your door or 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:04.360 super out on your door where they really sit on 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:05.880 the spectrum when it comes to him, But I will 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:08.920 say this, he's a really, really talented passer, and he's 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:12.680 a passer that is more accurate and more and maybe 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:15.319 shows better elite ball placement than he is a strong 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:18.600 armed passer. And so some people will develop feelings about 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:20.040 that in whichever way they want to go. 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:22.640 But in the NFL, a mongst all of it. 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:24.440 If you can throw at seventy yards all you want, 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:26.000 but if you can't throw at seventy yards and hit 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:28.680 your target, you're not doing me much much good as 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:29.760 an NFL organization. 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:34.560 And so accuracy is all right. And so seeing him as. 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:37.040 A potential for the New Orleans Saints at number nine, 0:14:37.760 --> 0:14:39.920 I still think he goes off the board early. Whether 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:42.560 it's the Cleveland at two, New York at three, even 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:45.240 Las Vegas at six, I don't believe that any of 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:49.440 those three teams have long term solutions at the quarterback position, 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:52.120 even with some recent free agent acquisitions and even a 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:54.320 trade for the Raiders. I think again, you're not just 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:56.400 looking at twenty twenty five. You're looking at way longer 0:14:56.400 --> 0:14:58.320 than that, especially with a quarterback in the first round. 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:00.320 And so I could see any of those teams do it. 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:02.200 I could see a team like the Pittsburgh Seelers trying 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:03.960 to trade up as well to be able to go 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:06.200 and get their guys. So I think it's a tall 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:07.840 task for New Orleans if they want to stick and 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:10.240 pick at nine and hope that sure Sanders is there. 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:13.720 But if he is there, it's it's just good business. 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:15.960 It's good business to go out and grab one of 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:17.920 the best quarterbacks in this year's. 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:19.880 Draft without having to move around. 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:21.680 If he's there for you, it's going to be really 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:23.840 tough for them to pass on him, for sure, unless 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:25.920 they feel really really good about another one of those 0:15:25.960 --> 0:15:26.760 quarterbacks later on. 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:31.480 Yeah, Jackson Dart was somebody that we've seen from their 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:33.920 IBN as somebody that was talking about is a good 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:37.600 fit for the Saints. Obviously they've been in contact over 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:40.600 the last couple of weeks as well. People reading into 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:43.960 maybe Alvin Kamara going up there visiting prime hanging out 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:48.880 with Craado doing going through practice. It's been funny to 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:52.080 see all of that, for sure, and it just, I 0:15:52.120 --> 0:15:55.160 don't know, it makes you love the draft because you 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:57.120 never know what's going to happen and there's all these 0:15:57.120 --> 0:15:59.760 little things. It's tea leaves. If people are over an 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:03.000 as it is, it comes. So it's gonna be a 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:05.880 lot of fun when we get there. Other needs that 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:08.440 you think the Saints have other than you know, we've 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:11.080 talked about possibly a tight end quarterback. It than's there 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:12.200 and it works. 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:16.600 Yeah, I would probably say corner is a spot that 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:19.240 makes sense right like you know, you think about going 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:23.280 back to the trade deadline last year, Marshall Latimore traded 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:25.720 to the Washington Commanders to get sort of turned into 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:28.480 some pretty solid draft selections out of that. We'll see 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:31.360 what those draft selections turn into. But then Paulson Adiebo's 0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:34.080 signing with the New York Giants, getting his next opportunity 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:36.200 over in the Big Apple, and then bringing in Isaac 0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:38.480 Adam I think was an excellent move by New Orleans 0:16:38.480 --> 0:16:40.480 in terms of bringing in a familiar face, somebody that 0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:41.480 they know pretty well. 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:44.880 All these other pieces, and that is also talented. 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:47.440 But you know, I think that's a position where you 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:50.120 can continue to invest and it's not necessarily something you 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:52.040 have to invest in or a spot you have to 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:54.160 invest in in the first round. You could do that 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:57.040 in the second round with one of those third round picks. However, 0:16:57.080 --> 0:16:58.800 it works, so there's a lot of different spots where 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:01.000 they can go there. I'm curious to say, if a 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:03.960 big bodied tight end excuse me, a big bodied wide receiver, 0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:07.160 my apologies, is on the docket at all for New Orleans. 0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:07.840 They have these. 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:09.720 You know, they've built a lot of speed in their 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:11.800 wide receiver room. But you wonder, like Kellen Moore when 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:14.639 we talked to him at the at the league meetings, 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:16.560 he kind of mentioned, you know, ideally, you want your 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:18.600 you know, some people want their wide receiver room to 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:20.320 kind of look like a basketball team. You want your center, 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:22.080 you want your point guard, you want your big bodied 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:24.200 guys and all these other things. But really, I mean, 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:25.960 when it comes to Kellen Moore, as he said over 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:28.040 and over again, he wants to identify the superpower of 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:30.120 the players that he does have. More than he's worried 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:32.000