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Speaker 4: Welcome to Jenkins and Jones on the Volume podcast Network.

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Speaker 4: It is Thursday, September nineteenth. Usually when we're laughing when

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Speaker 4: we start the show, I feel like I have a

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Speaker 4: better control of the situation. But Tyler was just bringing

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Speaker 4: up the two black dudes who are in the relationship

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Speaker 4: who went viral on Twitter for looking exactly like each

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Speaker 4: other in the beach, and I was genuinely laughing because

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Speaker 4: I really did think that it was faked.

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Speaker 5: I were twins. Bro, That's just great.

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Speaker 4: I've like to some extent they're playing that up on purpose, right,

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Speaker 4: Like they clearly are using the same beard oil and shit.

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Speaker 1: You know, like there's no way that they coincidentally wanted

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Speaker 1: to get Those dudes are like, Wow, you look just

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Speaker 2: It's like if I just saw Dan Levatar brow at

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Speaker 4: Was just like, what's up? Like the I like the

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Speaker 4: whole vibe. All right, It's Thursday, September nineteenth. We got

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Speaker 4: a lot of fun stuff to talk about. We got

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Speaker 4: the last ever obaum uh. We've got uh Diddy turning

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Speaker 4: say Alexander the all time winningest HBCU basketball coach in

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Speaker 4: American history. Very excited to talk to coach and uh.

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Speaker 4: And here's some A and t down home reminiscing between

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Speaker 5: A very special Aggie Pride episode coming to y'all.

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Speaker 4: Yes, as always, you got the hat and the scarf's

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Speaker 1: You already know, man, I've had to break out my finest,

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Speaker 1: my finest paraphernalia for the for my fellow Aggie hopping on.

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Speaker 4: As always Jenkins and Jones hosted by Dragonfly Jones aka Tyler.

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Speaker 5: Everybody have the gun.

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Speaker 4: Well, Jethro Jenkins aka John has been shadow band not

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Speaker 4: just by Twitter, but by the by the podcast itself.

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Speaker 4: We're searching for him at now. John's John not here today,

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Speaker 2: I'm guarded be akay, Mike, motherfucking Mike. The shadow band

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Speaker 6: That's what a shadow band is.

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Speaker 4: He got booted over using the N word that someone

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Speaker 5: Man, it's that shit broke as fun bro olds don't work.

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Speaker 6: And so he got to which is not not a shot.

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Speaker 8: It's incredibly cool that he was has the cachet and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, this does leave a hole in our

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Speaker 4: And that's already maybe got a good sized following that's

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Speaker 5: Like you said, I'm a basketball fanatic.

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Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: She needs to go ahead and give me that book

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Speaker 5: Give me the juicy shit, bro, I think we would

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Speaker 6: Like I feel like every time we're like, was Paul

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Speaker 8: As Paul Georgian get traded, and then woe is like

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Speaker 7: No, what I thought.

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Speaker 6: This is not the woe gentification I thought I was

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Speaker 8: So if you just axs all those tyler, I feel

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Speaker 5: Trim the fat, baby, we know what the people are

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Speaker 4: I don't even remember the guy's name, but ESPN did

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Speaker 5: Like who is the dude? Do you remember his name was?

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Speaker 4: I think his last name was Rose or something, but

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Speaker 1: He never want to be the man following the man, bro,

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: Everyone gets all their animosity of how they missed the

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Speaker 2: It was this I got there is.

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Speaker 6: There is odds on a unnamed sports book.

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Speaker 8: I don't want to know, no free to not Yeah,

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Speaker 8: sports books that Cham's is the favorite of minus one

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Speaker 8: fifty to replace him, So have them bring him over

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Speaker 8: from wherever he is athletic or whatever he is right now.

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Speaker 6: Chris Haynes, Oh, he's at wherever.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry he's work.

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Speaker 8: He has multiple places, I think stadium athletic. Like Chris

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Speaker 4: If it's gonna happen, Tyler, did you see the video

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Speaker 4: I sent this morning of c J.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think this is I love this because I

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Speaker 4: c J. Stroud was miked up. Went up to him

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Speaker 2: That ship. First of all, I love CJ.

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Speaker 4: Stroud and I love the way he is with with

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Speaker 5: It's a new day.

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Speaker 1: I feel like being extremely online is an attribute that

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Speaker 5: Game like Jalen did there. But yeah, c D.

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Speaker 1: Stroud man, he's he's one of those dudes. Like the

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Speaker 5: That's how you know I hold this fun.

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Speaker 1: He's like, you got what it takes to be good

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Speaker 1: But honestly, like like you know, besides the whole you know,

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Speaker 4: You know, they are actually the exact same age, which

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Speaker 6: It next week age difference.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, they're both.

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Speaker 9: Uh.

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Speaker 2: It's It's also I love.

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Speaker 4: The the advice of you need to stop getting sacked

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Speaker 2: It's like, well, yeah, I did have that.

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Speaker 1: Actually never considered that that is insightful.

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Speaker 4: Stroud did that, and I also fully understood Caleb Williams

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Speaker 4: is like, I don't want to hear any of this

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Speaker 5: Any of that.

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Speaker 4: We've also had this week the debut of some new

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Speaker 4: But he said that, like Moses, he's gonna go out

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Speaker 2: It's truly incredible, and.

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Speaker 6: That's iconic stuff.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's a different dude.

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Speaker 2: Man, totally different.

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Speaker 4: And then I don't know, I love people were really

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Speaker 2: Till we bring on our guests. Tyler, is it time?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, let's do it?

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Speaker 6: All right, all right, let's do it. Give me one

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Speaker 4: Is and I'm just gonna peel back the curtain here

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Speaker 4: We do this show live on the on YouTube, which

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Speaker 4: pleasure to welcome on the all time winningest HBCU basketball

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Speaker 9: Tell you, I mean technical difficulties to start to show.

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Speaker 9: That's the difference between coaching and being in the media.

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Speaker 7: But it's been fun.

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Speaker 9: I had the opportunity to work several years now with

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Speaker 9: So the good thing about being in the media is

446
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Speaker 9: after the game is over, you don't care who won

447
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Speaker 9: or lost.

448
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Speaker 7: You know, you go have a nice dinner.

449
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Speaker 9: But when you're coaching, you always want to come out

450
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Speaker 9: on top if possible.

451
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Speaker 5: Coach Alexander, first off, want to give you a Big

452
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Speaker 5: Aggie Pride. I'm a fellow.

453
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Speaker 7: Aggie Aggie Pride Tyler.

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Speaker 5: Yes, sir, yes, sir. So yeah.

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Speaker 1: So you know, as Mike mentioned, you took six teams

456
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Speaker 1: to the tournament, three different programs, South Carolina State, Tennessee State,

457
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Speaker 1: North Carolina, A and C. You gave us our last

458
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Speaker 1: tournament appearance. So you know, just curious of all the

459
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Speaker 1: programs you coached at, why is not Carolina Anti your favorite?

460
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Speaker 7: Because I like.

461
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Speaker 9: The way you set that up right. I'm originally from

462
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Speaker 9: Winston Salem, North Carolina. I grew up in Winston Salem

463
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Speaker 9: and it gave me the opportunity to come home to

464
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Speaker 9: my mother. At the time was ninety two, ninety three

465
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Speaker 9: years old, and to get a chance to finish my

466
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Speaker 9: career and A and T.

467
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Speaker 7: Was just awesome.

468
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Speaker 9: And I have to give all credit to the Good Lord,

469
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Speaker 9: and secondly to Chancellor Harold Martin, who, in my opinion

470
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Speaker 9: was the is a visionary. He has taken A and

471
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Speaker 9: T from being a very good institution to one of

472
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Speaker 9: the two best HBCU institutions in the country as far

473
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Speaker 9: as ranking is concern. And I just read two days

474
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Speaker 9: ago that Howard University is now number one, so I

475
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Speaker 9: had the opportunity to work at Howard for in fact,

476
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Speaker 9: my is at Howard. We were the first HBCU in

477
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Speaker 9: nineteen eighty one from the Mid Eastern Athletic Conference to

478
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Speaker 9: go to the NC DOUBLEA to we actually played in

479
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Speaker 9: the West regionals, had a chance to spend a lot

480
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Speaker 9: of time with.

481
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Speaker 7: The late great Dick Gregory.

482
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Speaker 9: So but an T was home the Chancellor Harold Martins

483
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Speaker 9: from Winston Salem, my homeboy, and so I really loved

484
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Speaker 9: and then to have taken A and T in my

485
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Speaker 9: very first year when they hadn't been as you will

486
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Speaker 9: know tally in eighteen years. Also I got my first

487
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Speaker 9: NC Double A tournament victory and spent a lot of

488
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Speaker 9: time at that tournament with Reverend Jesse Jackson.

489
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Speaker 7: He was with us every step.

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Speaker 5: Of the way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know you're talking about that twenty thirteenthost

492
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Speaker 1: season where y'all be liberty in the playing and then

493
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Speaker 1: lost to Louisville and in the round of sixty four.

494
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Speaker 1: I've always said that North Carolina a T we're techning

495
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Speaker 1: me the chance because that Louisville title got revoked, so

496
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Speaker 1: so technically North Carolina Anty never lost in the twenty

497
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Speaker 1: thirteen tournament. I don't know a team that didn't lose

498
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Speaker 1: a tournament. Sounds like the national champ to me. So

499
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Speaker 1: you know, I'll tell.

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Speaker 9: You what Tyler were on the same way, man, because

501
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Speaker 9: I think, yeah, thirteen national champs, baby.

502
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Speaker 1: But yeah, you know you mentioned growing up in Winston Salem,

503
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Speaker 1: and you know, when you think HBCU basketball, you think

504
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Speaker 1: Wison Salem. There's one name that you know comes to mind,

505
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Speaker 1: and that's Clarence Big House Games, right, and you know

506
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Speaker 1: the the remarkable things that he did at Winston Salem State.

507
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Speaker 1: So you know, I'm curious as you growing up, you know,

508
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Speaker 1: in Winston Salem during the Clarence Big House Games era,

509
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Speaker 1: and you know you're someone who went down the same

510
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Speaker 1: path that he went down.

511
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Speaker 5: Like how influential was he? I'm to your career.

512
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Speaker 9: Path, very influential. I had a chance to spend a

513
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Speaker 9: lot of time my hoteale a storyory my late father,

514
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Speaker 9: who was a graduate of Winston Salem State and was

515
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Speaker 9: a season ticket holder.

516
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Speaker 7: He and Coach Gaines were poker playing buddies.

517
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Speaker 9: So I got to know the intimate side of coach

518
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Speaker 9: Gains because of my dad. And then one year. I

519
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 9: was actually the ball boy for Winston Salem State, So

520
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Speaker 9: I grew up. I've got I got a chance to

521
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Speaker 9: watch Earl the Pearl Monroe And it was nineteen sixty seven.

522
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Speaker 1: When he won one points a game, right right, it.

523
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Speaker 9: Was like forty some points a game. But believe it

524
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Speaker 9: or not, Earl was not the greatest player to come

525
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Speaker 9: out of Winston Salem. It was a young man by

526
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Speaker 9: the name of Cleo' Hill. If you go back and

527
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Speaker 9: do your research.

528
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Speaker 5: On prisc kid drafteds in the NBA.

529
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Speaker 9: Yeah, and he got drafted by the Saint Louis Hawks,

530
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Speaker 9: and he got black balls by Cliff Hagen and Bob

531
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Speaker 9: pettittt coming out of an HBCU as an African American

532
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Speaker 9: playing in Saint Louis at the time, he was black

533
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 9: ball because he came in and was taken over as

534
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Speaker 9: a rookie and and Bob Pettitt and Cliff Hagen didn't

535
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Speaker 9: like that.

536
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Speaker 7: In fact, that his his son, too, Hill Jr.

537
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Speaker 9: Was the coach at Winston Salem State for a number

538
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Speaker 9: of years and he's now the new head coach at

539
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Speaker 9: the University of Maryland Eastern Shore.

540
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Speaker 5: Oh okay, cool, Yeah, that's interesting.

541
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Speaker 1: I did not know that, but so so you know

542
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Speaker 1: you mentioned, you know, being there doing during the Earl

543
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Speaker 1: of Pearl year, Like, what was that like? Because you know,

544
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Speaker 1: that's someone who who I think is probably underrated when

545
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Speaker 1: we talk about all time grades.

546
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Speaker 5: You know, he was called Black Jesus during his college years.

547
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Speaker 5: He was that good.

548
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Speaker 9: So yeah, so, so, so what was that experience? Like,

549
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Speaker 9: I tell you what it was. They had to move

550
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Speaker 9: the games out of Winston Salem's gym uh it's probably

551
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Speaker 9: set about maybe twenty five hundred fans, and they had

552
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Speaker 9: to move the games that year to the Winston Salem

553
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Speaker 9: Coliseum where wake Forest still plays because of the overflowing crowds.

554
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Speaker 9: And at that time, early on, you only had black

555
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 9: folks coming in to see Winston Salem State and white

556
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,199
Speaker 9: folks going to see wake Forest. Now, all of a sudden,

557
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Speaker 9: with Earle and taking the games to the Winston Salem Coliseums,

558
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Speaker 9: you had a mixture of a crowd attendance and you

559
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Speaker 9: had a lot of wake Forest guys.

560
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Speaker 7: To see Earl play.

561
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Speaker 9: One of my good friends today is a guy by

562
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Speaker 9: the name of Gil McGregor. Gil played on those wake

563
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Speaker 9: Forest teams along with Charlie Davis. Charlie went on to

564
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Speaker 9: the pros for a while, and actually he was the

565
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Speaker 9: athletics director for a short period at North Carolina A

566
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Speaker 9: and T. But the city was on fire because of

567
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Speaker 9: Winston Salem. It was no black or white. He brought

568
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Speaker 9: the city together when you're talking about folks coming to

569
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Speaker 9: see him play from far and wide, averaging over forty

570
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Speaker 9: points a game, and they ended up winning the NC

571
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Speaker 9: Double A national championship that year, right right, you know,

572
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Speaker 9: we want to talk about your book beyond the backboard

573
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Speaker 9: where you're talking about, you know, kind of the uphill

574
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Speaker 9: battle that you have to fight as an HBCU coach.

575
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Speaker 1: And you know, I appreciate that you have a firm

576
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Speaker 1: understanding of what being an HBCU coach entails. It's, you know,

577
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: HBCUs we're not pro meals. We're not programs that you know,

578
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 1: kids come to because they want to go to the league.

579
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Speaker 1: You know, I think when a good HBCU coach, when

580
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Speaker 1: they take on that job, they understand that you know,

581
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Speaker 1: you're going to be dealing with some kids who are

582
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Speaker 1: coming in at eighteen and you're going to help mold

583
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Speaker 1: them into young men. You know, you're going to help

584
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Speaker 1: to be a mentor figure above all else, Like you know,

585
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 1: the sports are secondary because you know, for a lot

586
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Speaker 1: of these kids, this is going to be their last

587
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 1: stop playing sports. You know, a lot of them are

588
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: not going to go pro in any capacity. So, you know,

589
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Speaker 1: I'm curious as to you know, as as I mentioned,

590
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Speaker 1: I appreciate and I admire how you're someone who has

591
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Speaker 1: you know, taken that man salon of of being you know,

592
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Speaker 1: more than a basketball coach for these kids. And I'm

593
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: curious and to you know, how do you implement that

594
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Speaker 1: into into kind of you know, how you go about

595
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: in your coaching strategy and in running a program.

596
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Speaker 9: Well, to get back to the very first question you

597
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:12,919
Speaker 9: talked about the book.

598
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 7: I wrote the book and we go.

599
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Speaker 9: To the NCAA Tournament in twenty thirteen, my very first

600
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Speaker 9: year at North Carolina A and T.

601
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Speaker 7: Well, the next year, twenty fourteen.

602
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Speaker 9: My mother dies in June and my wife dies in September,

603
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 9: three months apart.

604
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 7: So the book was a was therapy for me to kind.

605
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 9: Of relive my life and all of it, the good,

606
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 9: the bad, and everything in between. So the book captured,

607
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 9: you know, my journey as a young coach at Howard

608
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 9: when I would go to the five Star camp and

609
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 9: Howard Garfinkl some kind of way all the assistant coaches

610
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 9: would get into at the five Star camp, but I

611
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 9: would never get introduced. And because I was the only

612
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Speaker 9: HBCU coach at the camp. And I'll never forget Al

613
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 9: Skinner who was at I forget where Al was now,

614
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 9: but Al has been a lot of places. The head

615
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 9: coach at Boston College, and he said, man, why don't

616
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:19,919
Speaker 9: you say something?

617
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 7: And I don't know.

618
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 9: I just didn't have the courage to be quite honest

619
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Speaker 9: with you, to go up to Howard d Howard Garfinklan

620
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 9: and say, man, why are you not introducing me?

621
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Speaker 7: But what I did, though, was I did my job

622
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 7: and I became.

623
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Speaker 9: Probably the top assistant coach on the HBCU level, and

624
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 9: I gained a reputation at a very young age and

625
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 9: somebody that could recognize talent, someone that could communicate.

626
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 7: And build relationships.

627
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 9: And I had relationship with a whole bunch of coaches

628
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 9: at every level.

629
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Speaker 7: In fact, Leonard.

630
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Speaker 9: Hamilton, the current head coach at Florida State, he offered

631
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Speaker 9: me two jobs. He offered me when he first I

632
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 9: was I had just gotten the job at South Carolina State,

633
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Speaker 9: and he had just left Kentucky to go to Oklahoma State,

634
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Speaker 9: and he said, look, man, why don't you come and

635
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 9: work for me at Oklahoma State. Well, I was thirty

636
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 9: three years old and I had been an assistant for

637
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 9: eleven years under the late Ab Williamson, who gave me

638
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 9: my opportunity to get into business, and I just was

639
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 9: actually tired of being assisted, So I told Leonard maybe

640
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 9: the next time. And because in my opinion, Leonard Hamilton

641
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 9: is the greatest recruiter in the country.

642
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 7: He never leaves any stone unturned.

643
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Speaker 9: And one of the reasons I think I was a

644
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 9: very good recruiter at the HBCU level was because I

645
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 9: learned from the best. So at another point, when Leonard

646
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 9: left Oklahoma's State to go to Miami, he called me

647
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 9: again and asked me that I had won a couple

648
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Speaker 9: NEBAC tournament championships, had been to the NCAA tournament a

649
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Speaker 9: few times, and he asked me to come again to

650
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Speaker 9: Miami with him.

651
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 7: And I reached out to the late great.

652
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Speaker 9: John Thompson, Big John, who was one of my mentors,

653
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 9: and he said, coach, why are you going to go

654
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Speaker 9: back and be an assistant again you've already I was

655
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 9: a finalist for the head coaching job at the Ohise

656
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 9: State back in nineteen eighty nine when Randiers got the job,

657
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Speaker 9: and I kid Jimmy Jackson to this day because the

658
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Speaker 9: reason they hired Randy Overside was because Randy had been

659
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Speaker 9: on the staff and Jimmy told him that he wasn't

660
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 9: coming to Ohio State if Randy didn't get the job.

661
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Speaker 9: And that's a whole nother that's in my book I

662
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 9: talk about that. So I listened to Coach Thompson and

663
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Speaker 9: I stayed on and I don't regret.

664
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Speaker 7: And the thing I.

665
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Speaker 9: Learned is whatever move you make, make it work wherever

666
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Speaker 9: you are, make it the big time. And that's why

667
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 9: I was very successful and having been the first HBCU

668
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 9: coach to have a television show thanks to Congressman Jim

669
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 9: Clyburn UH and thanks to banker Lenny Springs. Those guys

670
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 9: were very instrumental in me having having my first television show,

671
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 9: a coaches Show. I was one of the first blacks

672
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 9: HBCU coaches to have a Nike shoot contract and that

673
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 9: that's a credit to Howard White, who is a VP

674
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 9: of brand. Jordan h told me when I was an

675
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 9: assistant at Howard. He said, you know, coach, you got

676
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 9: what we're looking for at Nike. Whenever you get that

677
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 9: chance to be a head coach, we're gonna bring you

678
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 9: on Nike. And you know some people, sometimes people say

679
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 9: stuff that they don't really.

680
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 7: Follow up on. Well, I got the job in May.

681
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 9: In July, I would signed a contract with Nike and

682
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 9: it's it was, without a question, the greatest experience in

683
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 9: my life to be with Nike. For over twenty years,

684
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 9: I've been all over the world representing Nike. They used

685
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 9: to have what they called the Nike Summer Vacation Coaches trips,

686
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 9: and on that trip, anybody that was anybody was on

687
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 9: the Nike trick. And in fact, when I tell you

688
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 9: a quick story about Michael Jordan's the year that they

689
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 9: won the One of the Gold the Dream Team, well

690
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 9: they all came to Hawaii, UH to be with to

691
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 9: be on the Nike trip.

692
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: And.

693
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 9: During the day they would have different types of competition

694
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 9: and one competition was a volleyball game and these guys

695
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 9: are betting big money. It was Moses alone, Michael Jordan's

696
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 9: Charles Barkley and I think David Robinson.

697
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 7: So I got picked on a Mike's team and.

698
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 9: You know, I'm on the back line and we've been

699
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 9: having fun and hanging out and the ball is hit

700
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 9: to me on the back line and I hit it

701
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 9: and I knocked it way out of bounds.

702
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 7: Michael was on the front turned around.

703
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 9: And that look, that glare that Michael Jordan would give

704
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 9: you when you didn't do something.

705
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 7: He gave me that glare.

706
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 9: I didn't make another mistake the rest of the volleyball

707
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 9: tournament and we actually won the Nike Hawaiian Volleyball Ship

708
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 9: and when we wanted, you would have thought that mj

709
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 9: had just won the world championship. That's how into winning

710
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 9: championships he was. So that was a big moment to

711
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 9: be on that trip and win the volleyball championship with

712
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 9: Michael Jordan.

713
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 4: I wanted to ask you a little bit about HBCUs.

714
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 4: I cover high school college basketball in Long Beach, California,

715
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 4: and there's been a big movement a lot of coaches

716
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 4: here working very hard hard to push more kids towards HBCUs,

717
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 4: which you know, Southern California is a lot of talent,

718
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 4: but we're pretty far away from the HBCU sort of

719
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 4: you know, home area. And I'm curious for you if

720
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 4: you get a player that's sort of on the fence

721
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 4: of I'm looking at this school over here, I'm looking

722
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 4: at HBCU.

723
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 2: What was the pitch, you know what I mean?

724
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 4: Like, how would you sort of lay it out to

725
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 4: that player of no, this is a better home for

726
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 4: you than going over to this school over here.

727
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 9: Well, I've had several players in the several programs that

728
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 9: I've been at that have been from California, some and Howard,

729
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 9: some in South Carolina State, some at Tennessee State.

730
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:42,839
Speaker 10: Uh.

731
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 9: And I think I had one guy at ant from

732
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 9: from California also. And my pitch, Mike, was simply that

733
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 9: we're gonna do more for you from a standpoint of

734
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 9: making you feel at home, making you feel comfortable, not

735
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 9: just being an athlete, but in the real sense of

736
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 9: the word a student athlete. We're going to surround you

737
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 9: with people. Unfortunately, the HBCUs that I worked at had,

738
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 9: you know, not a large contingent of California lums, but

739
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 9: the lums that would reach out to, say Mike when

740
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 9: he went back home to California, and try to find

741
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 9: your summer job, of things of that nature.

742
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 7: I always approached recruiting.

743
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 9: From the holistic standpoint. I felt intelligence talked about it earlier.

744
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 9: I felt it was my job to do everything I

745
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 9: could to develop you as a whole person, as a

746
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 9: student and as a basketball player, so that when four years,

747
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 9: after four years or five years I have it long

748
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 9: it took you to get a degree, you were able

749
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:03,760
Speaker 9: to walk out at door and be a productive citizen

750
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 9: in society. I've coached a lot of guys that have

751
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 9: made money playing basketball, particularly in Europe. Only coach probably

752
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 9: maybe four or five NBA players, and think of a several.

753
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 9: Larry Spriggs, who played for me at Howard University, was

754
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 9: a member of the LA Lakers showtime team. Jackie Robinson

755
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 9: played for the Houston Rockets. He played for me at

756
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 9: South Carolina States and the Rags to Richard. Story that

757
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 9: I talked about a lot is a young man by

758
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 9: the name of Travis Williams. Travis was a walk on,

759
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 9: a walk on at South Carolina State. Great athlete, about

760
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 9: undersized power forward, but he had the heart of a

761
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 9: lion and he ended up being the most valuable player

762
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 9: in the NEAC Tournament his freshman year as a walk

763
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 9: on the same year in nineteen eighty nine, and we

764
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 9: went to our first NCUBA tournament and went on to

765
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 9: play four or five years for the Charlotte Hornets in

766
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 9: the NBA.

767
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 7: And that's that's I call that my rags to Riches's story.

768
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 2: That's that's that's a great story.

769
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 4: I did want to ask you though, with the change

770
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 4: in college sports, you know, I know a lot of

771
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 4: I feel like, actually, especially in basketball, because I do

772
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 4: feel like there's a higher percentage of coaches who care

773
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 4: about kids.

774
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 2: That in some of the other sports.

775
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 4: When I talk to coaches and players who've been around

776
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 4: for a long time, I feel like there's a real

777
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 4: sadness in them about a lot of the changes that

778
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 4: have happened, because I think we all want Look, if

779
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 4: you're going to Duke and you're helping them get a

780
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 4: billion dollar TV contract, you know, should those players.

781
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 2: Be getting a cut of that money?

782
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 4: In my opinion, I know Entyler's opinion, absolutely, But with

783
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 4: the way that everything has changed to where it's just

784
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 4: about this school give me the most money this year.

785
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 2: Okay, Now I can get a little bit more more

786
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 2: money going over here.

787
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,240
Speaker 4: I feel like that art form of like you talked about,

788
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 4: mentoring the whole, you know, the student athlete experience, preparing

789
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 4: people for the real world. It seems like it's harder

790
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 4: to keep that at the forefront in college sports right now.

791
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 4: Do you have that sadness you know about that that

792
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 4: kind of coming out of the game, and what do

793
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 4: you think could be done to keep that part of

794
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 4: it alive?

795
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 2: I guess well, what I call.

796
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 9: College sports, in particularly basketball, I call it free agency.

797
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 7: Now it's it's you know, you you never had the

798
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 7: same you know.

799
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 9: It's like when I was coaching, you said, Okay, this

800
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 9: guy's a freshman and I'm going to develop him. By

801
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 9: the time he's a junior, he's going to be a

802
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 9: pretty good basketball player. Because I always, because of being

803
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 9: at a mid major a low major program, not having

804
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 9: the resources, I had to try to recruit guys who

805
00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:00,720
Speaker 9: were athletic, who are athletes that I could co and teach.

806
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 7: Him how to be basketball players.

807
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 9: You know, But if you weren't an athlete, I didn't

808
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 9: want to recruit you, and that was a one to

809
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 9: two year process to get you ready to play.

810
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,919
Speaker 7: Now, you never have if a guy at at.

811
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 9: Howard University, for instance, is a pretty good player as

812
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,280
Speaker 9: a sophomore, He's not going to be there as a junior.

813
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 7: That's just the world that we live in now in

814
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 7: the NILS.

815
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 9: And one of the things that I think for historically

816
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 9: black colleges and universities to continue to stay relevant at

817
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 9: the Division one level, they got to get in the

818
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 9: nil business, and the corporate sponsors have got to see

819
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 9: the value of saying, say, given a NIL deal to

820
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 9: Tyler coming from A and T and And that's probably

821
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 9: one of the reasons why Dion Sanders left Jackson and

822
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 9: I think Jackson State, I think he did a great

823
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 9: job in giving HBCUs exposure, but the opportunity for his

824
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 9: son and his other son to make the kind of

825
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 9: money that they're making now at Colorado wasn't there. So

826
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 9: you know, I'm a big proponent now of when I

827
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 9: get a chance to broadcast games for HBCU, go to

828
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 9: talk about the nil and the collective and how they

829
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 9: got to get in the game with that, because if

830
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 9: you don't, you're going to be left behind, because it's

831
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 9: the horses out of the bond and it's not coming back.

832
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 9: I was very fortunate while I was coaching, I was

833
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 9: on two. I was on the NABC board for ten years.

834
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 9: That's the board of directors that runs college basketball. I

835
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 9: was on that, and then I was on a committee

836
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 9: called the Academic and had Answerment Committee, and were forty

837
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 9: people or sold maybe fifty on the committee and there

838
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 9: were only seven basketball coaches. This was presidents, college commissioners,

839
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 9: athletic directors and seven coaches.

840
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,240
Speaker 7: Sy Alexander was one of those coaches.

841
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 9: I think a number of ACC guys, Big East guys,

842
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 9: but that was the respect that I had garnered during

843
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 9: my career because of the way I carried myself, because

844
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 9: of the way our teams played, and I had a

845
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 9: chance to sit in on a lot of those high

846
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 9: level meetings.

847
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 7: Where the major decisions were made.

848
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:45,399
Speaker 9: And right now, the NCAA, at that point in time,

849
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 9: they knew it was going to come to this. They

850
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 9: and they still don't have a handle as to how

851
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 9: to control it, because it's really now you're talking about

852
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 9: why I was listening to the guy Baycok that played

853
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 9: at the Universe in North Carolina speak a couple of

854
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 9: weeks ago.

855
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 7: Uh.

856
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 9: The reason he didn't live leave Carolina his his the

857
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 9: money he was making at U n C was more

858
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 9: than his rookie contract would have been in the pros.

859
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 9: So if if it's it's it's free agency in college athletics,

860
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 9: in particularly basketball, and every year you you better have

861
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 9: one of your assistant coaches when he comes in in

862
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 9: the office in the morning, he has to be on

863
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 9: that portal and just watching names all day who who

864
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 9: can fit into our particular program because that thousands of

865
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 9: names are in the portal because you can you can

866
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 9: guarantee if a young man had a pretty good season

867
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 9: at at your institution, a high level program is coming

868
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 9: after him the next year, next year. And you can

869
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 9: also that that if a guy didn't have a good year,

870
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 9: a law level of program is coming out to him.

871
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 7: So you might have to get new players every year.

872
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: So, you know, mentioning about you know, how how it's

873
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:08,800
Speaker 1: you know, so many things are monetizing. How you know

874
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: college basketball is such big business now that brings me

875
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 1: to to you know, kind of you know something that

876
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: that that I'm torn on a bit in regards to

877
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: North Carolina A and C how they left the me

878
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: Act for the C Double A.

879
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 7: And you know, I I.

880
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 1: Understand that you know, that's part of the growth process

881
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 1: for for for North Carolina A and C. They're gonna

882
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: make more money playing in the Sea I double and

883
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: in the C double A than playing in the Meat.

884
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: But there's a part of me that you know, I

885
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: missed the MAAC. I miss playing Howard and Hampton and

886
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: fam you you know, way more than playing like George Mason,

887
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: right like like that doesn't move me at all, but

888
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: you know, it's you know that there's a conundrum there

889
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 1: that that you know, for HBC used to grow, they

890
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 1: are gonna, unfortunately, have to be some traditions they might

891
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: have to leave behind, which which which you know, I

892
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: understand from a monetary standpoint, but from you know, a

893
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 1: personal standpoint, it doesn't sit right with me, but I

894
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: get it. And you know, North Carolina ANT is a

895
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: school that is very progressive, always in growth mode. You know,

896
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 1: our model there is always doing, never done. You know,

897
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: they were building up when I was a student there.

898
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: I just went back for a career for last week.

899
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 1: They're still building up. Enrollment is fifteen thousand now, which

900
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 1: is insane for an HRU, right the largest HBCU in

901
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: the country. Like in about ten or fifteen years they're

902
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: probably twenty twenty five thousand kids out of HBCU, which

903
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: is insane to think about when the average Roman and

904
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 1: HBC was like three thousand or so. Right, So, you know,

905
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: I understand that North Carolina ant is in growth mode.

906
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,399
Speaker 1: But at the same time, you know, there's a part

907
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: of me that that that you know, it's a little

908
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,479
Speaker 1: bit of sweet how we have to leave the traditions behind,

909
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: like playing in the mac and I'm just curious on

910
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:36,800
Speaker 1: how you stand on that.

911
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 7: Well, I tell you what, there's two ways to look

912
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 7: at it.

913
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 9: One, it is growth and you have to try to,

914
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:50,720
Speaker 9: you know, go as far as you think your reseur

915
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 9: resources can take you.

916
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 7: And you got to have That's why I call Chancellor

917
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 7: Harold Martin, I call him a visionary and give you

918
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 7: a I think a t has got to understand a

919
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:05,280
Speaker 7: couple of things.

920
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,839
Speaker 9: You got to make sure you're getting the financial resources

921
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 9: that you need to compete.

922
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,439
Speaker 7: I tell Aggie's this all the time.

923
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 9: Don't be surprised that if you don't win very many

924
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 9: championships over the next few years as you're trying to

925
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 9: figure out how to climb that ladder financially to get

926
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 9: the resources that you need to compete at the level

927
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 9: that you need to compete at.

928
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 7: When I was doing the research for my.

929
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 9: Book Beyond the Backboard, my unique HBCU experience in the

930
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:45,760
Speaker 9: shadows of big time college basketball, I did some research

931
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 9: from a monetary standpoint, the university and T's budget, and

932
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 9: this was probably in I don't know what it is now,

933
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 9: but this was in twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, somewhere around

934
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 9: that when I started my books, and their budget and

935
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 9: they would they they was talk about moving to the

936
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,760
Speaker 9: Big South at that time, moving to the CIA.

937
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 7: Their budget was like a.

938
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 9: Total of right around fourteen million, that's for all sports. Okay,

939
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 9: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, their men's

940
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 9: basketball budget was like thirty one million dollars. AT's total

941
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 9: budget was like fourteen million. The University of North Carolina's

942
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 9: overall budget at that time was eighty five million dollars.

943
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 9: So you see the disparity. And I'll never forget. I

944
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 9: was with some aggies when A and T. Coach Broadway

945
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 9: was a very good friend of mine. He went, I

946
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 9: think he went to play Richmond in a in a

947
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 9: playoff game, and he got beat pretty good.

948
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 7: And I told somebody in Aggie is you know how

949
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 7: those Aggis are?

950
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 9: They they don't like to lose. And the guy was

951
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 9: complaining that we weren't ready. And it had nothing to

952
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 9: do with whether we were ready or not. It had

953
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 9: everything to do with we just didn't have the quality

954
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 9: of athletes that the University of Richmond had. And when

955
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 9: I showed them, and this was this was when Anti

956
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 9: was considering the CIA.

957
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 7: What I think.

958
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 9: Richmond's budget was like triple in football what Ant's budget was.

959
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 7: So you got to work on and Tyler.

960
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 9: One of the things that people don't know, and you

961
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 9: may know this being in the media, one of the

962
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 9: reasons A and T left to.

963
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 7: Me at was not as much for sports, but for research.

964
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 9: Chance to Martin wanted to move ANT up to a

965
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 9: certain another level as far as research was concerned. Everybody's

966
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 9: looking at it from a cond from the standpoint because

967
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 9: of the sports and everything. But that was a primary

968
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 9: reason why he did that now and and and being

969
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 9: in that league, the CIA, And I don't know whether

970
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 9: it was a smart move to uh leave the Big

971
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 9: South and go right to the CIA when you really

972
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 9: haven't you know, really accomplished much in the Big South,

973
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,280
Speaker 9: and Anti again, as you well know, is very aggressive

974
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 9: in everything that they do. So again I tell Aggie's

975
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 9: and I tell anybody uh connected with the university that

976
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 9: wants to hear it or doesn't want to hear it.

977
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 9: You've got to get You've got to put the financial

978
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 9: resources in there. You got to make sure that if

979
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 9: you're going to compete and you want to win championships,

980
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 9: quick complaining and give to the Aggie Foundation, give to

981
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:58,479
Speaker 9: the athletic program, give to the collectives so that these

982
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 9: young men and women can be a part.

983
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 7: Of the NIL game.

984
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 4: Well, coach, thank you so much for coming on. We

985
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 4: really really appreciate great insight and conversation there. The book

986
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 4: is being the backboard. The documentary coming out is the

987
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 4: say Alexander's story. Uh, make sure you're looking out for

988
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 4: those and we'll make sure they're on the Jenkins of

989
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:18,800
Speaker 4: Jones feeds.

990
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Speaker 2: Thanks everyone for tuning in.

991
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Speaker 7: We did.

992
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 4: We did have one topic we didn't get to, but

993
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 4: we're gonna get to it with John on Sunday. We

994
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 4: wanted to make sure everyone was together to talk about that.

995
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 4: But coaching, once again, thanks for coming on, and thanks

996
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 4: to everyone for listening. We'll see you guys on Sunday.

997
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:32,959
Speaker 7: Bye.

998
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 5: Thank you guys, appreciate it. Coachgi Prai

999
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 3: The volume