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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to stuff

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Speaker 1: I've never told you Protection of I Heart Radio, and

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Speaker 1: it's time for another feminist movie Friday. I am so

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Speaker 1: excited about this one. This one is very indulgent. I'll

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Speaker 1: do because today we're going to be doing a comparison

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Speaker 1: of the Scream, the original Scream and the Newest Scream.

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Speaker 1: Scream are Scream five. All those pretty considered also Scream

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Speaker 1: h confusingly enough, but there will be spoilers for that,

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Speaker 1: and there will be spoilers for all five. I'm just

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Speaker 1: gonna tell you right now. So if you want to wait,

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Speaker 1: I know the news Scream just came out on streaming.

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Speaker 1: Go check it out and then come back because I

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Speaker 1: got a lot of thoughts. Got a lot thoughts about it.

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Speaker 1: She does, and I mean like the day she watched it,

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Speaker 1: I was getting text like, oh my god, it's these

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Speaker 1: So I definitely had to watch this with her, the

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Speaker 1: Newest Scream. Actually I watched the third one with you

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Speaker 1: as well, because I just never got into it and

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Speaker 1: you're like, but but and someone to watch that as well. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's the only one I Missic is for. And I'll

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Speaker 1: get you one day, Samantha, I'll get you one day. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and we are gonna be talking about death and sexual

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Speaker 1: assault and violence. Nothing to your graphic, but that's kind

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Speaker 1: of what is going on in these movies. Also, Samantha,

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Speaker 1: you impressed. I kept the outline short. I assumed you

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Speaker 1: talking about it, it's gonna double, if not trouble. Samantha

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Speaker 1: gave me very strict instructions and I did my best

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Speaker 1: gonna do this, and I'm excited for you to do this.

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Speaker 1: What if you don't, I'm going to take these other

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Speaker 1: things away from me and I'm gonna do it for

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Speaker 1: you and convince it. This is our work relationship, balance

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Speaker 1: each other out. It's perfect. Yes. Yes, Indeed, see our

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Speaker 1: past episodes on Final Girls, Survival, Horror Um, why didn't

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Speaker 1: you Believe Her? And especially Scream Queens, which, as Samantha

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Speaker 1: properly commented on in that episode, was kind of a

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Speaker 1: trojan horse for me to get to talk about Sydney

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Speaker 1: Prescott who was trotagonist. It wasn't a trick. I just

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Speaker 1: have a lot of feels about Sydney Prescott. I love

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Speaker 1: starting with the original Scream, which was a meta slasher

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Speaker 1: It stars Nev Campbell as high schooler and final girl,

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Speaker 1: she did, I say. Sydney Prescott h Campbell's character is

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Speaker 1: So Scream Scream five is a horror slasher comedy meta

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Speaker 1: written by James Vanderbilt and Guy Music. In addition to

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Speaker 1: we kind of did, which is who makes the money

424
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 1: off of these tragedies? Who gets to tell the story?

425
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 1: In the fourth one, she says the reason she did

426
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 1: it was she was tired of everyone else telling the

427
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,120
Speaker 1: story um and she wanted to take control. She wanted

428
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:17,400
Speaker 1: to feel this semblance of control over it, and then

429
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 1: of course on her first on her stuff and whisper

430
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 1: on the book tour, someone gets murdered and the whole thing,

431
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 1: of course, and Alison Bree is her Asian and that one,

432
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 1: by the way, that's funny. I do like talking about

433
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 1: the old actors who you were like didn't know at

434
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 1: that point in time, and then you come back and

435
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 1: revisit and you're like, oh my god, that's so and

436
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: so and so and so. That's my favorite like game

437
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 1: to play with everyone because no one really recognizes and

438
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 1: then I'm like, that person, wasn't this that pus wasn't

439
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 1: that the being? Like maybe the random character and supernatural

440
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: that no one else saw was like, they're on fifteen seconds.

441
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 1: But I love it, like on them that they made

442
00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 1: it can confirm Samantha does this. I love it. I

443
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,880
Speaker 1: was so lucky to watch this in a drive through

444
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 1: and just have a wonderful being experience with it. But

445
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 1: the newest one starts out with trivia about the Stab movies,

446
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 1: because they always opened with like, what's your favorite scary

447
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 1: movie and then asking these questions, and this one opens

448
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 1: with Stab movie trivia, which is like meta within meta,

449
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 1: like it's so and when she's scrolling Terris scrolling through

450
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,199
Speaker 1: because she's kind of cheating and she's looking on her

451
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 1: phone and she's scrolling through the like IMDb page, I

452
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,360
Speaker 1: was like, oh, yeah, the cast of stabb and it's

453
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 1: like Heather Graham and David Shimmer, Luke, right, I remember

454
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 1: Luke Wilson and then Jada Pinkett Smith was one of

455
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 1: the actual characters and screaming the second one. Correct n't

456
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: remember all of that. That was that because she was

457
00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: the first death scene. Second one. Yeah, in the second okay, okay, well,

458
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: like they were the two like just talk the Drew

459
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 1: Barry More where they had the big actors and you

460
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 1: really think they're going to be a part of the

461
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 1: movie and then you're like when yeah, And that's I

462
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: was thinking about that because we were watching this together

463
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,880
Speaker 1: and we were talking about how brutal the kills are

464
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: in this new one. But I was thinking about the

465
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: first one, and those are pretty brutal, like the way

466
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: Drew died that you won't But the thing is that

467
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 1: they usually like pan away and you hear it more

468
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: so than anything else. On the newer stuff, they actually

469
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 1: show you, like the knife going through, so you're like,

470
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: I wasn't ready. I wasn't ready, I will say. And

471
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 1: then going back to what you're saying about the trauma,

472
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 1: I do like the lead up into I Know you again,

473
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: love Sydney, the character of Sydney, and then the fifth

474
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: one was a nice like I don't know if it's

475
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: about out as in like she might pop up, but

476
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 1: it's obvious this is no longer her story in that

477
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: it's kind of where we all are without trauma. Like

478
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: she definitely went through all of the steps, seeming the um.

479
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: We never do see how it goes with therapy, but

480
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 1: I hope she did. But like just to the point

481
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: that I like, all right, I'm here, I'm made it,

482
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: and I'm ready. I will defend who I am and

483
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 1: who you are. Let's go. Yeah. Yeah, That's one of

484
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: the things I loved about it too, because you know,

485
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: there's all this commentary on franchises and kind of the

486
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: issue with franchises that we've talked about also a lot

487
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: where we can't let these characters go. And I even

488
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 1: if I love a character, I want them I want

489
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: them to go be happy. I don't want yes and

490
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 1: I but I do love how she came back and

491
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: she gave advice and she was kind of a steady like, yeah,

492
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: I'm going to be here for you, but it's not

493
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: really like about me, and which I really appreciate. And

494
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: also I kind of cracked up now knowing that she

495
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: did marry Mark from the third one, who was a detective.

496
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: I can just imagine him being like, are you serious

497
00:28:53,280 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 1: You're going back? Stop? Please stop going back? Done this.

498
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: I can't believe I keep having to tell you. And

499
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: so I'm yeah, Like you were saying that this is

500
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: becoming a new franchise ish with the same names. Again,

501
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: We've seen that with so many others, which is kind

502
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,959
Speaker 1: of that meta talk within Scream. It was produced by

503
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: Kevin Williamson in this one as well, so it was

504
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: the same producer, uh, new directors, obviously new writers. And

505
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: you were telling me that they did this because they

506
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 1: loved Scream, and I I was like, hey, we would like

507
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 1: an opportunity to take another shot here, take another stamp.

508
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 1: And the fact that Kevin Williamson was like, yeah, I'm

509
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: cool with it, let's go, and it was like, it's

510
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: that in memory of West Craven. It was interesting to

511
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: see that, But yeah, I think it's I can't imagine

512
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: how this can get stretched out more, but I guess

513
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: there's been enough time that maybe the newer generation that

514
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: have never seen Scream, so they're gonna sae a newer

515
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: version and then go back to the old one. Maybe yeah, yeah,

516
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: uh maybe I was thinking about that a lot too,

517
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: because one of the big fall downs with a lot

518
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: of horror movies when you adapt them to like newer

519
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: times is we have new technology now and there's like

520
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: all these things that don't work anymore. They even have

521
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: a joke about that and screen for like take a

522
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: drink every time their cell phone mysteriously isn't working, like

523
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: and yeah, they were huge fans and it this it's

524
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,959
Speaker 1: so complicated. They walked such a fine line because there's

525
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: very easily this could have gone wrong, and we've seen

526
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 1: that go that way and a lot of franchises actually,

527
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: but they like wrote this letter to Nev Campbell, like,

528
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: you know, it meant so much to us, we please

529
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: come back, because she was kind of like, I think

530
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: I might be done with this, and we talked about

531
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: how exhausting it is to be in a horror movie,

532
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: especially for a lot of these Scream queens or women

533
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: like it's very physically demanding, and she's been kind of like,

534
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: I think I might be done with the next one,

535
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: which they did make room for. As you said, they

536
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: kind of were like she did her thing, she but

537
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: she was of a background character in it, right, But yeah,

538
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: they were huge fans, and that makes the dialogue around

539
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: toxic fandom. All of them were interesting because the implication

540
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: is that perhaps they didn't like the formula. Maybe that

541
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that at all, but it's just it's hard

542
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: not to with a movie so meta, right that you're

543
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: kind of like, which, yes, I know we're going to

544
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: talk about a little more in a bit, but the

545
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: whole like is talking about Star Wars fans like I

546
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: don't know what's happened. I don't I don't know what's happening.

547
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: And by and by the way, I have been drawn

548
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: into that a little bit because of you in that

549
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: I get notifications about argument board. I'm sorry, but I'm like,

550
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: what is happening? And yeah, you kept explaining it was

551
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: so excited, you are so excited the face that you

552
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: would make like do you see curious? I was so God,

553
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: I'm get excited just thinking about it one thing I

554
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: did want to talk about, and we've briefly this in

555
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: the screen Queen's one. There's a lot of in the

556
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: first one, especially for Sydney, trauma around sex. So that

557
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: whole thing where with Billy that he's pressuring her to

558
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: have sex from jump in that movie, and she's very like, no,

559
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: we shouldn't, and you can tell she's trying, like she

560
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: feels like she should, that she has to, but she's

561
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: not comfortable with it. Um. You actually never see her breast,

562
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: which is a weird thing to talk about, but it's true.

563
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: And these horror movies often you do. You don't for her,

564
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: she flashes him, we just don't see it. Yeah, we

565
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: don't see it. But and I find that like the

566
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: whole conversation around her mother being this slut and therefore

567
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: I guess deserve to die in the opinion of a

568
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: lot of people. And then she's taking that in and

569
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: seeing like her mother died and people are saying like, oh,

570
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: she was for amiscuous, and her having this trauma around

571
00:32:56,160 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: that and then sort of being shamed for that like

572
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: having can't you get over it? Like don't you want this? Um?

573
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: Stop being so controlling? Take off your chastity belt. He

574
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: says something like that, which is just odd. It feels so,

575
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: I mean, these are very they're making a commentary ont

576
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: of things, but always they're just kind of like a

577
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: funny slasher movie. They're like, they're not super deep, but

578
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: that feels very If she was this her mother had

579
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: died and it became this like national story. She's being

580
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: treated in these movies as if she is a character

581
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: of celebrity that you just like people feel like they

582
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: can talk to her in any type of way or

583
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: treat her any type of way, which is pretty messed up,

584
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: and that would really mess with your head, I can imagine,

585
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: right right. I mean that's what we talked about again

586
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: with the two Crimes, like when we see the stories

587
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,479
Speaker 1: and it's not you know, you start seeing them as

588
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: a character instead of real people. And then going through that,

589
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: of course Sydney is a character. Does a hold different

590
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: thing again Beta, But it is that conversation and I'm

591
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: really and I'm guessing that was part again about the

592
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: commentary of people's need for true crime, yeah, and celebrating it,

593
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: which is the weird party line. Yeah, And I mean,

594
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: if you haven't seen these movies like the stab movies.

595
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 1: Within them, people like decorate, they have like rocky horror

596
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: movie level audiences for it. They have stabb Athon and

597
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: the fourth one like these big things and you know,

598
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 1: just for a pretty tragic experience that people are treating

599
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: as entertainment um, which is kind of the whole thing

600
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: in this one, where the killers were like, we don't

601
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: like what stabb eight, dude, so we're going to create

602
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,720
Speaker 1: something better. And so it's like marring that line between

603
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: life and art. And they have a whole conversation about

604
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: that in the second one, because usually I think in

605
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: everyone there's a killer, except maybe the third one, there's

606
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: a killer that's doing it for like the art of it,

607
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: a movie, part of it are the fame of it,

608
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 1: which is interesting. I do think there's an interesting thing

609
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 1: around women survivors in these because Sydney and Gail make

610
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: it through all of them. At the end of this

611
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: new one, all the people that they show that are

612
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: still standing because other people did survive, but they're still

613
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: standing our women. And I was thinking about this because

614
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: I read an interesting statistic that kind of surprised me

615
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: that actually more men get killed and slasher movies which

616
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like my experience. But maybe I don't watch

617
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: that many slasher movies honestly, and there's so I like.

618
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: But yeah, I wonder it's because the main victims, as

619
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,320
Speaker 1: you we talk about when vital girls have to be women.

620
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: So if she's slutty or she's perceived to be slutty,

621
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 1: she has to have a lot of extra men around

622
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 1: that get killed in our disposable. So if that's the case,

623
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,280
Speaker 1: I think that's a part of it. I think also

624
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,760
Speaker 1: you can always the argument there and more men around.

625
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: But like in the fourth one, I could be wrong,

626
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,760
Speaker 1: but I feel like like two of the the people

627
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: who died for men and everyone else was women. It

628
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: was I mean, I don't know. That's just something that's

629
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: been in my head because I kind of didn't. I

630
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: was kind of shocked by that. Um. I did like

631
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: the the and the newest one, like Sydney being the expert.

632
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 1: There's a lot of jokes about her being the original.

633
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,919
Speaker 1: You don't with the original and her still being pretty.

634
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. I kind of like her grounded nous

635
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 1: about it, almost like she's still open and she's still

636
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: trying to help people and comfort people. But she's also

637
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 1: clearly tired of it, like I don't know, you know,

638
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: like I said, like it just became like, oh this again,

639
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 1: I've went to this. I'm good, right, right, and then

640
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: we've already kind of mentioned this. But I find it

641
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: really fascinating that these movies were the killings in these

642
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: movies were essentially kicked off by the idea that her

643
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: mom was a slut, right when we talked about this,

644
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: when we were talking about mothers in general. When it

645
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: comes to horror and any of that genre's always whether

646
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: it's protecting someone or they did something wrong, or they

647
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: curse the families somehow, and it's always the evil thing

648
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 1: is the mother or began by the mother, which again

649
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: you've not been talking about. That's a theme all around,

650
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 1: whether it is a horror movie or not. And the

651
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 1: stronghold of the mother being the basis of whatever either

652
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: trauma or whatever incident or whatever is the next plot

653
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 1: line to come through, which is interesting. Yeah, yeah, because like,

654
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: not only do you have you have Sydney's mom, Maureen,

655
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 1: who went to Hollywood before all of this happens, went

656
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: to like this room where essentially she got sexually assaulted

657
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: by big producers in Hollywood. Then, in the words of

658
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: the killer and the third one, who was her son,

659
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 1: that made her a slut, didn't it, And therefore she

660
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 1: was sleeping around in Woodsboro, including with Billy's dad, and

661
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: that set off what was it nine serial killers I

662
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,919
Speaker 1: was counting last night. I think it's nine. A lot

663
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: of serial killers for this one event um, and they're

664
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 1: all kind of it all comes back to her mom

665
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: in heavy quotes, being a slut, which again it seems

666
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,439
Speaker 1: like there were a lot of men to blame this formula, right,

667
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: but we don't. We don't acknowledge that. No, No, it's

668
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,280
Speaker 1: her fault. And then in the second one, like the Killers,

669
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: Billy loomis his mom, as I said, and she even

670
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: says it's always blamed the mother. It's always about blaming

671
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: the mother. And then Sydney's like, well, you literally killing

672
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: me trying to kill me now, so if you hadn't

673
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: been doing that, maybe, yeah, I had an argument. Yeah,

674
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 1: But and again we're gonna come back to this. It's

675
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: it's weird because, like I said, Scream three I think

676
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 1: is all about Harvey Weinstein. And so if you'd like

677
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: take the meadow one step further, it's like this whole

678
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: thing was started by him. Oh okay anyway. Then there

679
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: are the rules, which is always a key part a

680
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: hit in in these movies. I love all of the

681
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: rules laying down the rules scenes. So the old rules

682
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: were very like no sexo drugs, no alcohol, don't say

683
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: I'll be back, And it does feel it's very moralistic

684
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 1: and it's very especially for like I feel like, for women,

685
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: is the having sex one. Specifically, I could be wrong,

686
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: but I feel like generally it's sort of you just

687
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: like women, you don't have sex, you stay virginal, so

688
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: you might be able to be this final girl character.

689
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: And then in the new one, there's a lot of

690
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: commentary when it comes to the new rules. There's a

691
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:03,399
Speaker 1: lot of commentary around fandom an elevated horror, and it

692
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 1: feels less I don't know, it feels less moralistic and

693
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: more like fan culture commentary to me. Um. There is

694
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: a weird line in the fourth one where they're like,

695
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 1: if you're gay, you will survive, and I was like,

696
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 1: what I don't know about that? Is it because the

697
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: queer community have been excluded from this genre in general,

698
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: So I don't know, like I'm very I feel like,

699
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: even if I don't watch a lot of horror, a

700
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: lot of slashers, I'm very I know a lot of

701
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: the horror lingo with tropes. I wasn't sure what they were.

702
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's something they're referring to, whether it's like

703
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: whether it stands up or not. I'm sure there's an

704
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: actual thing, but yeah, maybe it is that. Maybe it's

705
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: just there haven't been queer characters so right, but then

706
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:56,479
Speaker 1: their caricatures and kind of dismissed that with a guy

707
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: right before he dies in the fourth when it's like,

708
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: but I'm gay, the killer kills him anyway, So you

709
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: really want me to watch the fourth one? Huh? Yes?

710
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 1: Only once. Um. Something else I've noticed in watching these

711
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: is there's always a creepy boyfriend character who's acting stalkery

712
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: to one of the female victims, like can everyone there's

713
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: a character where she's like, Oh, it's Ted again, isn't it?

714
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: Or Oh it's West again, isn't it? And like that's

715
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: one of the ways they build up that it could

716
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: be anybody. Everybody's a suspect. But I do think it's

717
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 1: like interesting and kind of upsetting again that this is

718
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,280
Speaker 1: something we sort of accepted the reality that a woman

719
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: would have kind of the stalker boyfriend that people are like,

720
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: it's probably him. Yeah. And there's one line from the

721
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: new one that stuck out to me where the killer

722
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 1: Ritchie is sort of commenting on that, and he's commenting

723
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 1: on the new the new rules, and he says, I

724
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: guess being a sexually of alable woman is supposed to

725
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 1: be empowering these days, which he is a really toxic

726
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: fanboy he is. But by the way, I had to

727
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: point out to you that this was Dennis Quaid, and

728
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: again with your your little triviy a bit, I was like, um,

729
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 1: there's definitely some able is um going on, and all

730
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: of them, whether it's like especially around mental health, because

731
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 1: I feel like every one of them has a killer

732
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 1: who is in heavy quotes, mentally unstable. And then in

733
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 1: this new one, which I find horror movies do this

734
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: a lot, they have this red herring of oh, she's

735
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: taking pills, this might be her, which is already like

736
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: mental health already has a hugest go on it and

737
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:54,399
Speaker 1: not helping. Yeah, and then something else I've been thinking on.

738
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: I've thought about this a lot because Gail is a

739
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 1: very ambitious woman. She's very very ambitious. It is painted

740
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: like she's kind of a cold ice cream and it's

741
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,240
Speaker 1: a weird thing because she kind of is, but also

742
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: like she's an ambitious woman and she really goes far.

743
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 1: Like in this new one, she's in New York, she's

744
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 1: working on Good Morning America. She really made it, and

745
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: you know, the implication is she lost kind of these

746
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: personal connections. But then it's revealed who he is, the

747
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: one that left her because he couldn't handle New York

748
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 1: and couldn't support her and had to come back to Woodsboro.

749
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: So I just think that's sort of an interesting part

750
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 1: of that too. I don't feel like she's I don't know,

751
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: maybe that's a personal thing. I don't feel like she's villainized. No,

752
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 1: I agree with you as a person who was outside

753
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: of this frame and when you were the original take

754
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: of who Gil was. Even Like in the second one,

755
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 1: you know, she's building up money and being kind of

756
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: seen as an icon whatever, but this one she just

757
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: kind of just is like she's maintained her space. So

758
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: just sounding like the same Sydney. All of them have

759
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: grown up, figured out the themselves and what they wanted

760
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 1: and gotten to a point that they're happy or at

761
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: least content, uh, and satisfied with what they had. H

762
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: The one thing we find out is, yes, Dewey is

763
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: the most unsatisfied. There's so many things that happened with him,

764
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: and he just felt like he couldn't be what she

765
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: needed that point, which could be a conversation about male fragility.

766
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 1: And he's just to the point that he had to

767
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 1: prove himself by killing himself as a hero, Like that's

768
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: the whole thing. Like, hmm, Philip, that's a commentary in it,

769
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,240
Speaker 1: but what the whatnot? Um? And then yeah, like having

770
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: her come in and be like, I don't need this anymore.

771
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 1: But it took her a long time, and it took

772
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 1: her to the point of being the white female who

773
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, but I did get to use it

774
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: for a long time, and I'm okay, now I don't

775
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 1: have to. Yeah. I mean, she's certainly there are things

776
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: she did that we're not great. I'm not saying that

777
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 1: at all. Like she Sydney story, she definitely was like

778
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 1: use Dewey story kind of her feelings by writing about

779
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 1: MSP was real bad, which he was kind of in

780
00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:00,359
Speaker 1: her sister. I think they did a good job at

781
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 1: making her complex. I guess like she had these flaws,

782
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 1: and she also had growth like a she and she

783
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: said like we could make it work. We could have

784
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: done it. You didn't have to leave, like so I

785
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 1: thought that was good. And also I'd like I like

786
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: seeing the evolution of the relationship between her and Sydney,

787
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: which started out very antagonistic and very cat fight e

788
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: into like a friendship, um and like a mutual respect.

789
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: Also there's the theme of not believing women. I know

790
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 1: I've talked about it a million times, but in the

791
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 1: second one when she plays Cassandra and she has that

792
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: whole thing, which if you don't know Cassandra's character, who's

793
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: like cursed to see that doom was coming and no

794
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: one would believe her. Um. But that's that's prevalent throughout,

795
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: especially like after people think Sydney so traumatized, often they

796
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: just dismissed her like you've been throughing lot, where she's like, yes,

797
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: I happened to a lot and I know what this is. Um.

798
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:12,399
Speaker 1: So that's throughout. And then I really like the how

799
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,399
Speaker 1: it turned out between Tara and Samantha and the new

800
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 1: one where they were kind of playing at maybe Tar

801
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: as the killer, and then they have that scene more

802
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: Samantha like hesitates and untying her, but then she did

803
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:28,879
Speaker 1: and they kind of rebuild their their sisterhood and their relationships.

804
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: So I really liked that they did that. And then, yes,

805
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: toxic fandom, So almost every movie has a fan of

806
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 1: horror movies that is the Killer and perhaps particularly as

807
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: a fan of the Stab movies. And yeah, there there

808
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: are a lot of references throughout to to horror movies

809
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: and horror movies that they love. And there's a line

810
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: in this new one where the Killer Richie says, how

811
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: can fandom be toxic? It's about love? Meanwhile, they're like

812
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: killing people, right, Yeah, so that might be toxic right there. Right,

813
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: But as you said, Samantha was very very excited about

814
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:11,439
Speaker 1: this whole Mary Sue star Wars connection because they are.

815
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: It's a very it's a pretty pointed commentary about Star

816
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: Wars fandom and Star Wars fans, especially after the last

817
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: Jedi Um and Ryan Johnson I keep saying going back

818
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 1: forth between Ryan and Ring and I apologize. Um. He

819
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 1: even commented on it in Knives Out. It was it

820
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 1: was such a huge thing, which again he directed the

821
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: Last Jedi and her. That's why I was happy when

822
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: he I found out he was in it, which to

823
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: me means he must have co side like they asked him.

824
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: He co signed on it. He was on board because

825
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: there's a joke in there where Randy's niece Mindy makes

826
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: fun of Live for liking the eighth Stab because it

827
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 1: means you have no taste. So I was confused. I

828
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: was like, well, wait, what are we saying? Do you

829
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 1: hate the Last Jedi? Do you like the literal? Only

830
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 1: went back and said, wait, I can't. I can't tell

831
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: that for like being real and really actually mad or

832
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: are they just joking? What is happening? Is this tongue

833
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 1: in cheque or not offended or not embroiled? I was

834
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:20,760
Speaker 1: so so confused. Um so, the fact that he's involved

835
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: makes me think that at least it was self aware

836
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: that you know. The toxic fandom backlash to that was terrible,

837
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 1: It was awful, and it controlled what happened. It actually

838
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 1: did influence what happened in the next Star Wars movie,

839
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: which a lot of people are, including me, say, it

840
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,320
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense based on what you did in the

841
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: last Jedi, like they completely because the backlash was so strong,

842
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,879
Speaker 1: they did something completely different, right, which is what they're

843
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: talking about in this with the hated stabb Ei. So

844
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: they were trying to make what is that? What did

845
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 1: they call this? This is a recal recal? Yes, they

846
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:02,240
Speaker 1: wanted to make a recal. But I do love that

847
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 1: Savantha's character echoes Rai's character from Star Wars and Ray. Yeah,

848
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:12,839
Speaker 1: she has this like evil thing they reveal, which everybody,

849
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 1: pretty much everyone hated. I won't say everybody, but pretty

850
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: much everyone hated. And then that Palpatine was her grandfather

851
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 1: or uncle. Oh, I could get into that, but it's

852
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: very complicated. Um well, can I just put in here?

853
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 1: Every time I heard them say hello Samantha in the

854
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 1: little phone call, I was like, Nope, not a fan

855
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 1: of that. Don't like that at all, I know, and

856
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: I was like, what could I use this hard? I

857
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 1: would never do it because they always do that in

858
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,399
Speaker 1: the movie and then they get killed, So I would

859
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 1: never You would be the one killed or me. It

860
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 1: would be me. No, you would die and then I

861
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: would think you were pranking me because I had pranked you,

862
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: and then I would die happen. It would be good.

863
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,320
Speaker 1: Let's not have us. Let's not have this. Not that

864
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 1: I would want any other way, would still let's not

865
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: do that. Yes, but I do love. I love at

866
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 1: the end when she's like never with the daughter of

867
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,800
Speaker 1: a serial killer. That's kind of like it felt to

868
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 1: me like saying two Star Wars fans like, hey, Ray

869
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: could have gone a whole different way, you guys, like

870
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: she could have killed everybody. Kind of it felt like

871
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: a weird, cathartic way of giving Ray a moment to

872
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 1: just break down and lose it. Um, this could just

873
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: be be being a Star Wars fan, but I think

874
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 1: that they kind of were leaning into that, like like

875
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 1: this calmed down, this has gone a whole different way. Yes, Yes,

876
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: And then I'm not going to go too deep into

877
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 1: this right now because I think I would like to

878
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 1: do a whole episode on this. Um on the portrayal

879
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: of women villains, and I was just I was kind

880
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: of like trying to go through all the killers because

881
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: there's have been three women who are killers and knees,

882
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:56,439
Speaker 1: and I was trying to see if there was any

883
00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 1: big difference between when they when a woman it's the

884
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:03,479
Speaker 1: killer versus a man, and I was like, I feel

885
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:05,879
Speaker 1: like they're more kind of emotional relationship based. But that's

886
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: that didn't turn out to be true really, so I'm

887
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: still thinking on it. But I do have a lot

888
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: of thoughts about women who are killers, but also in

889
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 1: these kind of not just horror movies, but in movies

890
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: when a woman is in any way annoying or a

891
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: killer or annoying but any like anything we don't like

892
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: about her. She doesn't have enough depth really that we're

893
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 1: very like gleeful when she dies, and usually the death

894
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: is more violent and dramatic. Um. Because so you haven't

895
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: seen the fourth one, but alson Breeze sort of similar,

896
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 1: like she's really annoying. Um, she's not the killer, but

897
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: like when she dies, it's sort of like right like um.

898
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 1: And that's again, that's a wider issue than just these

899
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 1: movies and just horror that like Draastic World, when the

900
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 1: woman who's taking care of your kids, that that's my

901
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: favorite example. This is too much like she was. It's fine,

902
00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: she had a right to be a little annoyed by this.

903
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,720
Speaker 1: I will say I am that person to be like, Okay,

904
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: you did that stupid thing, you deserted I I did

905
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 1: that with a dude who was the twin dude who

906
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,760
Speaker 1: was following her phone. I'm like, you're going into the bushes,

907
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: You're gonna get cut there. It goes like he survived,

908
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: but I was still like, come on, y'all, come on,

909
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: don't do this. Did you build at any point? This

910
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 1: is just a random question that because for a minute

911
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 1: it makes you think the Amber is in love with Tara,

912
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 1: that that it was a bit queer baby was that me?

913
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:30,879
Speaker 1: And because like there's definitely there is a little bit

914
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: of like queer relationships. The twin sister obviously has an interest,

915
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 1: uh with that girl on the couch. They talked about

916
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 1: they're gonna make out any moment, which is fine, but

917
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: it felt why did they lean that way to make

918
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: her like? Was it to make you be unsuspecting so

919
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 1: that you wouldn't think that was her? But I figured

920
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: it out all that to say, um that it wasn't her?

921
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: Or was that was that just like an unnecessarily throw in.

922
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: I I picked up on that too, I thought, and

923
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 1: I thought about that because I was like, were they

924
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 1: trying to imply she was like this really possessive perhaps

925
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 1: in love with Terra friend or is it more like

926
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:18,919
Speaker 1: she just really was there when Sam left and has

927
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: been kind of like really didn't like her, right, So

928
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:26,760
Speaker 1: I definitely see that, and I think her character throughout

929
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: has moments where you're sort of like, huh I because

930
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 1: she was a throw in. That was what threw me

931
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 1: office because what we didn't talk about earlier and the

932
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 1: plot was that she had discovered that she was living

933
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 1: in Stu Mocker's home, and then that pushed her into

934
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 1: researching all the Stab stuff and falling in to an

935
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: obsession to it, and that's why how she met uh

936
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 1: Richie was trying to research everything and really getting caught

937
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: up in it. But then like, yeah, the other part

938
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 1: is that. But the friendship was obviously real because that

939
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 1: was one of the longest last thing friendship. I don't

940
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 1: even the twins were really involved as much as much

941
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: as Amber was, because the twins didn't really know the

942
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 1: backstory of why Sam left or what happened between Sam

943
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 1: and Tara. But Amber d yeah, I well, this is

944
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:15,320
Speaker 1: something else I want to talk about when we have

945
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 1: whenever we do our women villains. One is I think

946
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: you know a lot of times the woman who's the villain.

947
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 1: It's sort of the like support to the male villain,

948
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 1: but that's not the case in the second one at all.

949
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 1: But like, I think there's a power elements that she

950
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: really enjoyed. And I feel like, you know a lot

951
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: of these movies and like my skin is crawling just

952
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 1: thinking about it. But like there's a power element to

953
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: playing people um like they don't know what to you.

954
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 1: Ha ha ha ha. So I felt like she was

955
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: sort of leaning into that. But it does like in

956
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 1: the last one, the killer is one of Sydney's cousins,

957
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 1: as I said, and her alibi is like the one

958
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 1: I hate the most where it's like I want to

959
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: be the new Sydney. But it's kind of that thing

960
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: where yeah, it both of them. It felt sort of

961
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:06,840
Speaker 1: like you're really throwing out under this woman under the

962
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 1: bus you purportedly care about, right. That was the whole

963
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 1: thing to that too, like his age. And I know

964
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 1: this is just me, but I cannot handle watching inappropriate

965
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 1: ages being cooked together and I hate it. I actually

966
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: will go to the depth of finding out their real

967
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 1: ages to make sure it was appropriate. Like it just

968
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 1: gets underneath my skin so badly because she's supposed to

969
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 1: be a teenager sixteen, maybe right in high school. It

970
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like like they're too much older. They're still

971
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 1: in high school obviously, and in my head it was

972
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 1: like sixteen, maybe seventeen, and then he's supposed to be

973
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 1: in college, if not out of college, and they hooked up,

974
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 1: and I'm like, there's a lot to this. I don't

975
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: like this makes mine And maybe I'm also at the

976
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 1: age of like, if I watch any romance scenes with

977
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 1: kids under like twenty, I immediately like, no, uncomfortable because

978
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 1: I shouldn't be watching this. Yeah, I mean, I don't know,

979
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 1: made anybody under thirty. I'll have to rewatch because I

980
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:11,840
Speaker 1: kind of was like, they have a weird thing going on,

981
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 1: but there's no the no like physical romance happening. For sure.

982
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:20,800
Speaker 1: They yell at each other saying yeah, baby, are you okay?

983
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 1: Are you okay? Baby? Like they obviously though I don't know,

984
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 1: maybe I was supposed to be the conversation too, I

985
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 1: don't know, but it was just it just made me

986
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 1: like really unsettled. Was like not a fan, not a fan? Well,

987
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 1: I mean that's also like a throwback to Samantha's mom

988
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 1: presumably was much older than Billy Lumos, but I don't know.

989
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. And then very briefly, I did mention

990
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 1: that the first four films are executive produced by Harvey Weinstein,

991
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:52,840
Speaker 1: and after all the sexual allegations against him and the

992
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 1: closure of the Weinstein Company, Spyglass Media Group purchased the

993
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:59,280
Speaker 1: rights to the franchise, promising to never make another. UM

994
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 1: That lasted for all of one year and then they

995
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 1: changed their mind. Um. Interestingly, Harvey Weinstein wanted them to

996
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: make the fifth one and end it prior to all

997
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 1: the stuff coming out about him. And that kind of

998
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 1: surprised me because I would be like, after the third

999
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 1: one maybe, but I guess he was very comfortable and

1000
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 1: that he could continue to get away with things. But

1001
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 1: you know, we've we talked about that on the screen.

1002
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: Queen's one is Rose McGowan a year later is when

1003
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 1: she alleged she was raped by him. And then the

1004
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 1: whole thing with the third one, and I know some

1005
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 1: of the cast and crew have spoken out about it.

1006
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: Uh So, yeah, that's the whole thing too, when it

1007
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 1: comes to the metal part and of these movies, and

1008
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 1: like having that in the back of your head when

1009
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 1: you're watching, especially the third one, but all of them. Right.

1010
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 1: Oh well, uh that was man. I had a good time,

1011
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 1: good good Yeah. You were so excited and I was,

1012
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: and I could keep going and going, but it's already

1013
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 1: too long, so I recommend it. If you haven't seen it.

1014
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 1: I know slasher movies aren't for everybody, so I understand that,

1015
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: but if you're in any way interested, I recommend it.

1016
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 1: And as always, if you have movies suggestions for us,

1017
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 1: we would love to get them. You can email ust

1018
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 1: Stuff and your mom stuff at i heeart media dot com.

1019
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 1: You can find us on Twitter at most the podcast,

1020
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 1: or on Instagram at stuff I Never Told You. Thanks

1021
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 1: as always to our super producer Christina, thank you, and

1022
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 1: thanks to you for listening Stuff I'm Never Told the

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