WEBVTT - Operation Pridefall, Groomers, and Kink at Pride: Part 1 0:00:05.040 --> 0:00:08.760 Welcome to It could happen here the podcast where we 0:00:09.080 --> 0:00:12.400 spend all of our time talking about skincare now personally 0:00:12.760 --> 0:00:14.720 and a lot of people say this is a bad idea. 0:00:15.280 --> 0:00:20.759 I enjoy using concentrated chlorine with a little bit of ammonia. Um, 0:00:20.800 --> 0:00:23.880 it just cleans the pores, It cleans the grout, It 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:28.000 gets all of that pesky code out of your lungs. Um. 0:00:28.040 --> 0:00:31.639 You know, an entire generation of British and German and 0:00:31.680 --> 0:00:37.120 French boys all agree chlorine gas does the trick. How 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:41.240 are we doing? What's this episode about? Hi, welcome Welcome 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:43.760 to It could happen here? A podcast about things falling 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:47.040 apart and how we can maybe put them back together. 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:50.879 I'm Garrison, Um, I'll be I'll be leading leading this 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:55.560 sod um with me is as as Chris and uh 0:00:55.680 --> 0:00:58.440 this this random person that we brought on from the 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:02.520 street named Robert yep Um, and we'll be talking about 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:07.240 some things that are not great and kind of current problem. 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:11.640 So I I spent I spent a lot of my 0:01:11.920 --> 0:01:15.800 formative youth lurking, studying and kind of documenting some of 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:18.120 the some of some of the bad places on the internet, 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:22.000 you know, Nazi chat, rooms, chance sites, Facebook, hate group 0:01:22.520 --> 0:01:26.319 you know whatever, all all of all the things, um, 0:01:26.400 --> 0:01:29.319 and you know, growing up in Portland, Oregon in like 0:01:29.319 --> 0:01:31.560 the twenty teens, this was this was something that felt 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:34.760 kind of foisted upon me as as a kid discovering 0:01:34.760 --> 0:01:38.039 my own queerness and coming out of an extremely homophobic, 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:43.080 like insular Christian community. Um. Meanwhile in Portland's having you know, 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:46.720 self described fascist march alongside gay hating Christians on my 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:50.200 city streets, Nazis murdering people on our public transit. You 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:55.480 know that. Uh, that that that that put a lot 0:01:55.520 --> 0:01:59.240 of fellow fellow scrawny gay kids uh to put on 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:03.120 black black cuti symball oklavas to mason fight far right 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:06.280 extremists that were like two or three times their size. Um. 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:09.520 But the problem is, of course, what what what one 0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:12.800 d pounds? Depressed teens aren't aren't necessarily the best brawlers, 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:17.480 um under under some circumstances, although they can handle uh 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:22.160 fire extinguisher filled with paint pretty well. That's true. But 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:25.000 a lot of us also started doing like online research 0:02:25.040 --> 0:02:28.160 and stuff, um to find like the names of dresses 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:30.600 of like fascists and members of hate groups and all 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:32.120 all that kind of all kind that kind of stuff. 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:34.800 I I still remember the kind of the the thrill 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:38.359 and the buzz of my first like big find as 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:42.320 as a as a baby online lurker. Um it was 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:44.280 I think it was. It was the leader of the 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:48.720 hell shaking Street Preachers who was living at the time, 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:52.480 fucking prick that that was. That was the first guy 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:55.359 I did. UM, And I remember being very excited being 0:02:55.360 --> 0:03:00.239 because yeah he was he was a massive asshole of so, yeah, 0:03:00.280 --> 0:03:03.280 he's he's like a you know, very extremely homophobics quote 0:03:03.320 --> 0:03:07.200 unquote street preacher, just a big old show. Yeah. But 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:09.640 a lot of like this, like online research work wasn't 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:12.880 wasn't just crush referencing social media posts with the white pages, 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:16.840 property records, and voter registrations to send nice postcards to 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:20.120 hate group members. Uh. Time was often spent tracking the 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:25.280 use of like memes and cataloging and sharing fascists plans 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:28.760 for projects and events, keeping keeping tabs on like their 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:33.040 current propaganda trends that online white supremacists were. We're trying 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:37.200 to we're trying to push and um. One of one 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:39.960 of the things that I came across about about two 0:03:40.040 --> 0:03:44.040 years ago was called Operation Pridefall. This was this is 0:03:44.080 --> 0:03:45.920 one of the one of the one of one of 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:50.160 these like it was an organized campaign ran by people 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:54.120 on Fortune, Discord, and Telegram. I I came across it 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:57.120 a few a few days after the the plans were 0:03:57.120 --> 0:04:00.720 published online. And if you already know what Operation Pridefall 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:03.600 is or or heard that term before, uh. And if 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:06.480 you're you know, like me and we're on similar online spaces, 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:10.120 you've you've probably found the past few months of antiqueer propaganda, 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:13.640 the massive increase in the gay and transpeople are groomer 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:17.560 ship and the shutters can get pride discourse to be 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:22.480 all very very predictable, a strangely familiar, like the worst 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:25.799 case of deja vu, and in large part of the 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:29.720 result of years of work behind the scenes by social 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:34.520 engineering online bigoted trolls and self described fascists. So we're 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:36.919 gonna we're gonna talk today about kind of the overlap 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:41.640 between this this thing called Operation Pridefall, uh, the groomer 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:45.400 discourse and how that kind of feeds into can get 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:48.320 pride discourse. So three things that are not great, that 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:51.280 don't go great but actually do kind of go great together. 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:57.960 So a first, first of all, a little a little 0:04:58.000 --> 0:05:01.080 background on the whole recent Groomer thing, because we haven't 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:05.520 actually discussed the Groomer stuff in depth on the pod yet, 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:13.919 haven't you know why we haven't. I'd be like, whenever 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:17.200 like horrible things happened in the news, I try to 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:19.960 push back on just releasing an episode immediately covering it 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:23.400 in case we have something like actually good to say. 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:26.000 Um So, we've kind of waited to talk about the 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:29.479 group of discourse stuff for a long time. Um And 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:32.640 I think now is is totally is totally fine to 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:35.720 do so because we've had we've had months to let it, uh, 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:38.359 to let it simmer, look at like the types of 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:42.080 things they're encouraging, look at all of like the physical 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:44.800 action they're trying to do. And with Pride Month approaching, 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:47.359 we're going to see a resurgence of it in the 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:52.120 next few weeks here. Um So, as mentioned in our 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:55.880 in our week long War on Transpeople episodes which was 0:05:55.920 --> 0:05:59.440 released like right before the new wave of the Groomer ship, 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:03.160 accelerate it. But in those episodes, we talked about the 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:07.359 long history of conservatives and evangelical organizations promoting the false 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:11.880 narrative targeted at parents, and like concerned citizens that gay people, 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:15.800 especially gay men, are more likely to be child predators 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:20.120 than their heterosexual counterparts, along with the idea that queer 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:24.440 people are out to quote, groom you're definitely on straight 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:28.520 child into being gay, right, uh so in insinuating that 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:30.280 that that they can then like have sex with them 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:33.119 or something. Um, it's but yeah, they're trying to scare 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:35.080 parents to be like gay people are out to get 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:41.880 your kids. Um. So it's the actual like idea of 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:44.200 what being a groomer means changes based on who you're 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:46.160 talking to. Um. In part two, I'm gonna going to 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:49.479 quote a conservative writer who like admits this as as such, 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:52.799 but still defends the use of the term um because 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:55.960 at the very least, if they used grooming within the 0:06:56.040 --> 0:07:00.520 context of turning your again absolutely completely heterosexual child totally 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:03.479 um into a gay person. Thus they would, you know, 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:05.640 begin to hate you and resent you as a parent 0:07:05.760 --> 0:07:10.440 for your godly Christian values. They also consider that grooming, Um, 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:13.160 it's not, it's not. It's not actually just as a 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:15.400 general rule, the attitude as if they do not turn 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:18.560 out to be the exact kind of weirdo Christian as 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:21.280 their parents they were groomed by somebody and it's merely 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:24.520 a matter of picking the topic of the person to blame. Yeah, 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:27.120 And all of that sort of rhetoric was extremely popular 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:29.400 through like the eighties and nineties and the early two 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:33.119 thousand's UM. But then came the knots in the twenty 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:36.360 teens and this this this kind of had an attitude 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:38.440 shift and some of that started to go away. We 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:41.520 got we got queer eye, we got ellen. The rate 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:45.600 of conversion therapy started to decline. It was getting banned 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:48.880 in more states. There was more queer acceptance in certain 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:51.320 in certain sects of the church, even of course the 0:07:51.360 --> 0:07:57.360 gay marriage went national, and eventually being like aggressively homophobic 0:07:57.640 --> 0:08:00.640 became like not a good look. It did. It was 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:03.680 not you were not able to do that anymore, um 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:06.600 and still be able to have and and and and 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:11.120 do it as like nonchalantly as you were as you 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:13.720 used to be able to, whether that's in your like 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:17.000 TV show, or whether that's you as a corporation UM 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:19.880 or you know, some random other sectors of public life. 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:23.960 But then, of course Trump got elected year after gay 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:26.840 marriage went national, and then there's this resurgence in far 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:31.440 right extremism and the more commonly accepted kind of nonchalant 0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:34.320 gay bashing of old gets passed down to the next 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:37.240 freak down the line, which is trans people. So with that, 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:40.280 the the adage of like the disgusting groomer freaks are 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:43.320 going to turn your kids gay turns into the gender 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:46.439 ideology freaks are going to turn your kids trans. It's 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:48.559 all the same stuff, just passed on to the next, 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:52.280 to the next thing. Um. And so we have that 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:55.880 like anti trans and therefore anti queer hate festering for 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:58.920 a few years, and this inevitably opens up the door 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:03.720 just a revival of classic homophobia. Um. Even even liberals 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:05.880 like Friend of the pot at J. K. Rowling um 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:08.880 and lots of the original turfs got to apply the 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:13.760 same homophobic rhetoric to trans people, um and gender nonconforming folks, 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:16.679 which then obviously results in that propaganda and rhetoric being 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:20.120 used to attack LGBTQ people on a whole once again. 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:23.280 So it's it's resurrecting these old homo tropes and just 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:26.440 applying it to a new generation of queer people. Um. 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:29.800 And uh So for this next part, we're gonna we're 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:32.880 gonna talk about lives of TikTok because they did play 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:35.959 a big, a big part in what's what some current 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:38.640 discourses today. And I promise we'll get to Operation Pride 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:42.080 Fall here shortly, just just hanging there with me. But 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:45.280 before we talk about again, other friend of the pod, 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:49.120 Lives of TikTok Um, do you know what else it 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:52.880 wants to turn your kids gay? Oh? Are you talking 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:58.240 about the Washington State Highway Patrol? Because yes, they absolutely do. Garrison. 0:09:58.880 --> 0:10:02.199 That's the one guarante the Washington State Highway Patrol makes. 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:15.959 They'll make your kids gay. Okay, Lives of TikTok joins 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:19.840 the fight today. God and I let's just take a 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:23.360 moment to acknowledge how fucking frustrating it is that we 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:28.520 have to discuss seriously TikTok that it matters, like the worst. 0:10:28.640 --> 0:10:32.559 It's terrible. It's terrible. People always criticize the show and 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:34.640 being like why do they talk about all these dumb 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:37.600 social media things? So like, yes, I know that they're stupid, 0:10:37.840 --> 0:10:40.959 but the bad part is that they actually matter. Yeah, 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:42.800 I mean maybe, yeah, we talked about him because of 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:45.800 the seventeen year old trans girl in Texas who just 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:49.160 got assaulted by like five dudes, because she was blamed 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:52.240 on the shooting, and she was blamed for the shooting 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:54.240 because in part of a lot of ship that lives 0:10:54.240 --> 0:10:57.280 of TikTok helped to stir stir up because they proved 0:10:57.280 --> 0:10:58.640 there was a market for it, that if you're like 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:01.480 a right wing shit grifter, attacking trans people is a 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:04.760 great way to get an engagement. Anyway, Sorry, Garrison, Yeah, So, 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:09.679 Lips of TikTok is a social media account turned to 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:14.240 social media campaign started in April one by a Brooklyn 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:18.520 area real estate agent named Chaia Chickum, who, by the way, 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:23.080 attended the January six attempted fascist insurrection. Um when when 0:11:23.080 --> 0:11:25.720 when violence broke out that day at the Capitol, she 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:28.360 actually tweeted a play by play on a previous Twitter 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:31.679 account of hers, uh posting videos from the crowd and 0:11:31.720 --> 0:11:35.040 the talking about tear gas and rubber bullets being like 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:37.400 shot right next to her. Um. And then after she 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:40.679 left the riot, she she tweeted on Twitter that uh 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:44.439 that the the event was peaceful compared to a BLM protest. 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:50.680 So that's yes, anyway, five five people died. We you know, 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:53.959 we we've we've we've now reached the party were now 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:56.720 in tragedy of as farce of the thing that happens 0:11:56.720 --> 0:11:59.079 in every single state that goes fascist, where all the 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:00.520 fascist trying to do a coop when it fails and 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:02.560 then nothing happens and then they take over the state, 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:06.440 like serously our version of that instead of like, I 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:10.559 don't know, weird fascist yakuta guys, it's the libs of TikTok. 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:13.840 It is the limbs of TikTok. So the limbs of 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:18.040 TikTok was around like the third attempt by right check 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:21.000 to start a vital social media account. Uh, you know, 0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:23.600 the saying three times the charm, but in this case 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:27.800 it actually was. So the account's gimmick is reposting and 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:34.160 often grossly misrepresenting select clips from quote unquote libs on 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:39.000 TikTok a big big shocker, big big surprise. Uh. But 0:12:39.400 --> 0:12:42.120 more often than not, that really just means posting videos 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:47.480 of queer kids and transpeople, uh, captioning it with something reactionary, 0:12:47.679 --> 0:12:51.520 and then leading a targeted harassment campaign against those individuals. 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:56.319 On on May thirty one, so just about a year ago, 0:12:57.160 --> 0:13:01.480 she made her first grooming related post, just tweeting stop 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:04.040 grooming kids and all caps this is the first time 0:13:04.320 --> 0:13:07.880 she tweeted anything related to grooming um. The day before that, 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:12.360 she tweeted a video of a transperson um alongside the 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:15.120 vomit emoji and a caption that just says men should 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:18.120 not wear dresses. You can't change my mind. Her first 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:23.240 super viral video related to LGBTQ people was later in 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:27.360 June next month during Pride, by posting a TikTok of 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:31.280 a kid explaining the concept of gender fluidity. Pretty pretty 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:35.840 basic concept. Uh, but she lives lives a TikTok commented, 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:38.640 this is so messed up in so many ways. Her 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:41.760 Her post racked up half a million views and indicated 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:44.160 to her that the way to grow her little social 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:47.600 media project into a right wing viral sensation was going 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:50.520 to be with homophobia and transphobia. Uh that this is 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:55.360 how she decided to continue her online career. Essentially, she 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:59.520 called the prominent lgbt Q youth suicide prevention group the 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:04.080 Trevor prod Eject a grooming organization, and towards the end 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:10.079 of two she kept using that term grooming groomer uh 0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:12.760 at A at an ever increasing rate. Right It's it 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:17.200 starts starts in like May and June continues throughout the 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:19.600 summer and fall, and then in the fall and winter 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:21.880 she starts really kicking up all of the stuff around 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:24.320 around grooming and queer people. I mean, all of her 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:27.200 posts are already mostly about trans people and like trans 0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:30.080 people at schools. Obviously she was a big part of 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:33.480 like the the whole school board thing from last year. 0:14:34.000 --> 0:14:37.800 So but towards the end one though, is when the 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:41.640 groomer things started becoming more of a recurring trend quoting 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:45.040 quoting slate uh. Towards the end of one and into 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:47.360 the new year, right Check found her rhythm with memes 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:50.400 and videos calling LGBTQ people and those who supported l 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:53.680 g b t Q youth quote unquote groomers. She has 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:56.040 even attempted to smear one of the most prominent game 0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:58.600 and in the country as a groomer. Uh. In a 0:14:58.840 --> 0:15:04.400 deleted tweet, right Check's account accused Transportation Secretary Secretary Pete's 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:09.560 husband Chastin, of grooming kids for his work at at 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:13.680 supporting lgbt Q youth organizations. This isn't fair, but I 0:15:13.800 --> 0:15:16.560 hate that his name is Chastin. I know, I don't 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:19.080 like I don't like that name. I don't like that name. 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:23.240 I'm not a big I'm not a Chaston's stand either, 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:28.640 but but but yeah, it's like finding the most prominent 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:31.440 libby gay men and being like, hey, these people probably 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:34.720 groom kids, and you know that that obviously riles up 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:39.240 their base. Um. She's she's called for any teacher who 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:41.680 comes out as gay to their students to be quote 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:45.440 fired on the spot. Uh, which actually has happened since then. 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:50.280 Uh has has has happened multiple times since since since 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:53.440 this account has been has been launched. UM. The account's 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:58.600 popularity grew alongside last year's racist, homophobic, and transphobic attacks 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:01.920 on school boards across the country. She would often posting 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:04.320 videos of queer teachers and lying about them grooming kids 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:09.200 into being gay or whatever. She was promoting organized harassment 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:14.120 campaigns against those teachers. Uh interspersed with tweets and screenshots 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:18.600 of news articles about teachers who sexually assaulted students, importantly 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:21.440 not posting the article, but just like a screenshot of 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:24.680 the headline, along with comments like funny, how this keeps happening? 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:28.080 Which is like neglects to mention that like all these 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:32.200 incidents are from heterosexual teachers uh, or like that one 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:35.200 story from last year of a cop and his wife 0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:38.200 who was a teacher working together to sexually abused children, 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:41.560 Like none of them are actually about gay people. It's all. 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:46.320 I mean, I'm not certain if a school resource officer 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:48.520 has ever stopped a mass shooting, but I know that 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:50.600 something like fifty of them have been fired from a 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:55.440 lesting kids. Yeah. It's it's it's it's really it's really 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:58.360 insidious because she's she's posting all this to about, you know, 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:01.880 teachers grooming kids, uh, you know, and into being like 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:07.119 queer teachers grooming kids, like alongside headlines of teachers actually 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:10.959 assault like sexually sexually assaulting kids, but those headlines are 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:15.200 all of stories about heterosexual teachers. Like but you know, 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:18.480 so she posts both of those things. So it's like 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:22.640 to like to have this correlation for her audience despite 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:25.919 them not actually being related. Because yeah, lives of TikTok 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:28.360 Shore ain't posting about how cops should be kept away 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:31.160 from kids for the safety of the children. Um, they're 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:32.760 they're they're they're never going to post about how many 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:34.879 people who can grooming stuff have been arrested because like 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:38.119 several of the organizers of of of this whole like 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:41.679 gave people like grooming kids, things like have been arrested 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:47.200 for child abuse since this started, which yeah, no it's not, 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:49.840 it's never it's never gonna matter. But you know, posting 0:17:49.920 --> 0:17:53.400 and lying about queer teachers grooming children next to headlines 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:56.760 about teachers sexually abusing kids to manufacture this correlation, which 0:17:56.840 --> 0:17:59.440 is of course false, but it's still highly effective. Now. 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:02.240 Believe me. I would love to not talk about Twitter nonsense, 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:05.440 but unfortunately Twitter accounts like lips of TikTok actually do 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:09.960 play a massive role in shaping offline conservative politics. Lips 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:12.919 of TikTok was very soon being interviewed by New York Post, 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:16.600 being boosted by Joe Rogan going on Tucker Carlson. Other 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:20.000 Fox News hosts like Jesse Waters began featuring content straight 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:23.040 from the lips of TikTok twitter feed, uh and Tucker 0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:26.920 encouraged his viewers to follow the account before it's a band. 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:29.600 If you want to know, quote what may be happening 0:18:29.680 --> 0:18:33.359 in your child's school. Lass March, when lips of TikTok 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:36.240 posted the video of a woman teaching sex ed to 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:39.680 kids in Kentucky, like you know, preteens or whatever, she 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:43.240 called the woman a predator. In the next evening, the 0:18:43.320 --> 0:18:46.199 same clip was featured on Laura Ingram's Fox News program, 0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:48.960 with the host saying, when did our school, any of 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:53.000 any schools become essential become what are essentially grooming centers 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:57.280 for a gender identity radicals. Um so, yeah, this is 0:18:57.359 --> 0:19:00.200 the content straight from lista TikTok being put onto the 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:03.800 most watched news programs in the world. Um and as 0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:06.720 we'll see, also being taken in by some of the 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:11.560 most powerful conservative politicians. Mainstream conservative politicians quickly joined in 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:14.639 in the tuting of the lips of TikTok grooming. Horn 0:19:15.400 --> 0:19:18.600 Uh obviously wrote around as Santis is a big, big 0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:21.680 part of this, of one of Florida Governor Rhda Santis's 0:19:22.040 --> 0:19:25.440 top aids and press secretary is a huge fan of 0:19:25.520 --> 0:19:29.160 lips of TikTok um and is in frequent communication with them. 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:33.240 Quoting the Washington Post quote by March two, lips of 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:38.200 TikTok was directly impacting legislation, Rhonda santiss Press secretary Christina 0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:41.920 Pershaw credited the account with quote opening her eyes and 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:45.320 informing her views on the state's restrictive legislation that bands 0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:48.880 discussion of sexuality or gender identity in kindergarten through third 0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:51.360 grade referred to critics as they don't say gay bill. 0:19:51.800 --> 0:19:55.359 The bill has been unquote. So this bill has has 0:19:55.359 --> 0:19:58.879 already been used to get middle school teachers fired for 0:19:59.280 --> 0:20:02.760 for for saying that they are not straight. Um, and 0:20:02.920 --> 0:20:06.200 you'll notice that middle school is not in kindergarten through 0:20:06.280 --> 0:20:09.720 third grade. Uh So, remember when we were all saying, hey, 0:20:10.040 --> 0:20:12.200 the actually it actually doesn't matter that the bill says 0:20:12.240 --> 0:20:14.920 it's only up for kindergarten through third grade. It's just 0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:17.520 gonna be applied for anyone. Yeah, it turns out we 0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:20.800 were right. Uh so it's this. The bill has already 0:20:20.880 --> 0:20:24.040 been specifically cited in the firing of multiple teachers from 0:20:24.080 --> 0:20:29.960 Florida for for just not not you know, conforming to 0:20:30.040 --> 0:20:35.639 the heterosexual Christian hegemonic worldview. And Lips of TikTok is 0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:39.879 still currently among the most prominent influencers affecting actual material 0:20:39.960 --> 0:20:44.879 conditions and shaping both the rhetoric and propaganda while impacting legislation. 0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:49.400 UM friend of Lips of TikTok and des Sentences, Press 0:20:49.400 --> 0:20:52.960 Secretary Christina Persia has said, quote the bill that liberals 0:20:53.000 --> 0:20:56.200 inaccurately called Don't Say Gay would be more accurately described 0:20:56.320 --> 0:20:59.760 as an anti grooming bill. If you're against the anti 0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:02.920 rooming bill, you probably are a groomer, or at least 0:21:03.040 --> 0:21:05.760 you don't denounce the grooming of four to eight year 0:21:05.800 --> 0:21:10.400 old children. Silence is complicncy. This is how it works, democrats. 0:21:11.520 --> 0:21:13.760 This is how it works, democrats. And I didn't make 0:21:13.800 --> 0:21:16.720 the rules. So yeah, see you see how we have. 0:21:17.240 --> 0:21:19.840 See how that works. You called you called the Don't 0:21:19.840 --> 0:21:22.840 Say Gay bill a anti grooming bill, so that everyone, 0:21:22.880 --> 0:21:25.320 anyone who criticizes it is now a groomer? Is it? 0:21:25.480 --> 0:21:27.040 Is it? That a fun way to play with words? 0:21:27.200 --> 0:21:29.280 Isn't that nice? That is a fun way to play 0:21:29.320 --> 0:21:33.680 with words? Garrison love it. So the past few months 0:21:33.760 --> 0:21:36.000 we've seen this. You know, queer people are groomers. Meme 0:21:36.359 --> 0:21:41.000 reach seemingly never never before seen heights, and uh at 0:21:41.080 --> 0:21:43.200 least is and at the very least is the highest 0:21:43.240 --> 0:21:44.960 and most me medic has ever been in the past 0:21:45.080 --> 0:21:48.440 two decades. You know, it's it's really building off of 0:21:48.520 --> 0:21:52.120 all of the killer local pedophile ship, right, It's it's 0:21:52.160 --> 0:21:54.160 the Robert, do you want to briefly, briefly talk about 0:21:54.200 --> 0:21:57.240 killer local. I mean, it's a bunch of bumper stickers. 0:21:57.359 --> 0:21:59.840 It's a slogan like I know dudes who are not 0:22:00.000 --> 0:22:02.679 at all fascists and say that because they're like new 0:22:02.840 --> 0:22:05.400 Dad's and they're horrified at the But like the whole, 0:22:06.040 --> 0:22:09.879 like the core of it is this right wing and 0:22:10.040 --> 0:22:11.800 it kind of started off in like the sort of 0:22:11.880 --> 0:22:15.920 libertarian gun nut communities. But it's it's, it's it's really 0:22:16.520 --> 0:22:19.760 used a lot as sort of it's a group that 0:22:19.880 --> 0:22:22.360 you can talk about doing anything too. You can talk 0:22:22.400 --> 0:22:26.239 about killing, you can like fetishize murdering, um. And if 0:22:26.320 --> 0:22:30.560 you can then like define other groups as inherently pedophilic, 0:22:30.800 --> 0:22:32.680 then you can do anything to them, right, Like that's 0:22:32.680 --> 0:22:34.840 the basic idea is if you can get people saying 0:22:35.200 --> 0:22:39.160 it's always okay to use vigilante violence against this group, um, 0:22:39.720 --> 0:22:43.000 And obviously no one's gonna defend child molesters, But then 0:22:43.320 --> 0:22:45.639 you start making the case that people who are not 0:22:45.760 --> 0:22:48.720 in fact molesting children are somehow pedophiles or you know, 0:22:49.200 --> 0:22:51.520 or somehow related to pedophiles, and then suddenly it's okay 0:22:51.520 --> 0:22:54.119 to kill them. It's okay violence massive social groups like 0:22:54.720 --> 0:22:57.840 all of gay and trans people, so if you conflate 0:22:57.920 --> 0:23:00.200 these two things are able to make these things sent 0:23:00.280 --> 0:23:03.719 the same thing in someone's mind that makes homophobia now 0:23:03.920 --> 0:23:06.480 not a bad thing, but like a moral imperative, Like 0:23:06.600 --> 0:23:10.280 you have to be homophobic because these people are grooming children. Yep, 0:23:10.880 --> 0:23:13.000 and you can get you get this interesting thing to 0:23:13.359 --> 0:23:18.000 which like there are people who are like not quite 0:23:18.160 --> 0:23:21.560 as far in who will do who will say? I 0:23:21.600 --> 0:23:23.840 see things a lot where it's like someone's like, oh, 0:23:23.960 --> 0:23:25.399 well I don't have a problem with gay people, but 0:23:25.480 --> 0:23:29.720 like they shouldn't groom kids, and it's like this is 0:23:30.640 --> 0:23:34.879 that's not what's happening, bro. Yeah, no, do you know 0:23:35.200 --> 0:23:38.520