1 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: Welcome to It could happen here the podcast where we 2 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 1: spend all of our time talking about skincare now personally 3 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: and a lot of people say this is a bad idea. 4 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 1: I enjoy using concentrated chlorine with a little bit of ammonia. Um, 5 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: it just cleans the pores, It cleans the grout, It 6 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: gets all of that pesky code out of your lungs. Um. 7 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:31,639 Speaker 1: You know, an entire generation of British and German and 8 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: French boys all agree chlorine gas does the trick. How 9 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 1: are we doing? What's this episode about? Hi, welcome Welcome 10 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: to It could happen here? A podcast about things falling 11 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: apart and how we can maybe put them back together. 12 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 1: I'm Garrison, Um, I'll be I'll be leading leading this 13 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: sod um with me is as as Chris and uh 14 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: this this random person that we brought on from the 15 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: street named Robert yep Um, and we'll be talking about 16 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: some things that are not great and kind of current problem. 17 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: So I I spent I spent a lot of my 18 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: formative youth lurking, studying and kind of documenting some of 19 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 1: the some of some of the bad places on the internet, 20 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: you know, Nazi chat, rooms, chance sites, Facebook, hate group 21 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 1: you know whatever, all all of all the things, um, 22 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 1: and you know, growing up in Portland, Oregon in like 23 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: the twenty teens, this was this was something that felt 24 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: kind of foisted upon me as as a kid discovering 25 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 1: my own queerness and coming out of an extremely homophobic, 26 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: like insular Christian community. Um. Meanwhile in Portland's having you know, 27 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: self described fascist march alongside gay hating Christians on my 28 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: city streets, Nazis murdering people on our public transit. You 29 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: know that. Uh, that that that that put a lot 30 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: of fellow fellow scrawny gay kids uh to put on 31 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: black black cuti symball oklavas to mason fight far right 32 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: extremists that were like two or three times their size. Um. 33 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: But the problem is, of course, what what what one 34 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 1: d pounds? Depressed teens aren't aren't necessarily the best brawlers, 35 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: um under under some circumstances, although they can handle uh 36 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: fire extinguisher filled with paint pretty well. That's true. But 37 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: a lot of us also started doing like online research 38 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: and stuff, um to find like the names of dresses 39 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: of like fascists and members of hate groups and all 40 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: all that kind of all kind that kind of stuff. 41 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 1: I I still remember the kind of the the thrill 42 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 1: and the buzz of my first like big find as 43 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: as a as a baby online lurker. Um it was 44 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: I think it was. It was the leader of the 45 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: hell shaking Street Preachers who was living at the time, 46 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: fucking prick that that was. That was the first guy 47 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 1: I did. UM, And I remember being very excited being 48 00:02:55,360 --> 00:03:00,239 Speaker 1: because yeah he was he was a massive asshole of so, yeah, 49 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: he's he's like a you know, very extremely homophobics quote 50 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: unquote street preacher, just a big old show. Yeah. But 51 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 1: a lot of like this, like online research work wasn't 52 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: wasn't just crush referencing social media posts with the white pages, 53 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: property records, and voter registrations to send nice postcards to 54 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: hate group members. Uh. Time was often spent tracking the 55 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: use of like memes and cataloging and sharing fascists plans 56 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: for projects and events, keeping keeping tabs on like their 57 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: current propaganda trends that online white supremacists were. We're trying 58 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: to we're trying to push and um. One of one 59 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: of the things that I came across about about two 60 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: years ago was called Operation Pridefall. This was this is 61 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: one of the one of the one of one of 62 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: these like it was an organized campaign ran by people 63 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: on Fortune, Discord, and Telegram. I I came across it 64 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: a few a few days after the the plans were 65 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: published online. And if you already know what Operation Pridefall 66 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: is or or heard that term before, uh. And if 67 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: you're you know, like me and we're on similar online spaces, 68 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: you've you've probably found the past few months of antiqueer propaganda, 69 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: the massive increase in the gay and transpeople are groomer 70 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: ship and the shutters can get pride discourse to be 71 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 1: all very very predictable, a strangely familiar, like the worst 72 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,799 Speaker 1: case of deja vu, and in large part of the 73 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 1: result of years of work behind the scenes by social 74 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: engineering online bigoted trolls and self described fascists. So we're 75 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:36,919 Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna talk today about kind of the overlap 76 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: between this this thing called Operation Pridefall, uh, the groomer 77 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: discourse and how that kind of feeds into can get 78 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: pride discourse. So three things that are not great, that 79 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 1: don't go great but actually do kind of go great together. 80 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: So a first, first of all, a little a little 81 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: background on the whole recent Groomer thing, because we haven't 82 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: actually discussed the Groomer stuff in depth on the pod yet, 83 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:13,919 Speaker 1: haven't you know why we haven't. I'd be like, whenever 84 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: like horrible things happened in the news, I try to 85 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: push back on just releasing an episode immediately covering it 86 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: in case we have something like actually good to say. 87 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: Um So, we've kind of waited to talk about the 88 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 1: group of discourse stuff for a long time. Um And 89 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: I think now is is totally is totally fine to 90 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 1: do so because we've had we've had months to let it, uh, 91 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:38,359 Speaker 1: to let it simmer, look at like the types of 92 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: things they're encouraging, look at all of like the physical 93 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: action they're trying to do. And with Pride Month approaching, 94 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 1: we're going to see a resurgence of it in the 95 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: next few weeks here. Um So, as mentioned in our 96 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: in our week long War on Transpeople episodes which was 97 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: released like right before the new wave of the Groomer ship, 98 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 1: accelerate it. But in those episodes, we talked about the 99 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:07,359 Speaker 1: long history of conservatives and evangelical organizations promoting the false 100 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: narrative targeted at parents, and like concerned citizens that gay people, 101 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: especially gay men, are more likely to be child predators 102 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: than their heterosexual counterparts, along with the idea that queer 103 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: people are out to quote, groom you're definitely on straight 104 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: child into being gay, right, uh so in insinuating that 105 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 1: that that they can then like have sex with them 106 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:33,119 Speaker 1: or something. Um, it's but yeah, they're trying to scare 107 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: parents to be like gay people are out to get 108 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: your kids. Um. So it's the actual like idea of 109 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: what being a groomer means changes based on who you're 110 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 1: talking to. Um. In part two, I'm gonna going to 111 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 1: quote a conservative writer who like admits this as as such, 112 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,799 Speaker 1: but still defends the use of the term um because 113 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: at the very least, if they used grooming within the 114 00:06:56,040 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: context of turning your again absolutely completely heterosexual child totally 115 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 1: um into a gay person. Thus they would, you know, 116 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: begin to hate you and resent you as a parent 117 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: for your godly Christian values. They also consider that grooming, Um, 118 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: it's not, it's not. It's not actually just as a 119 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: general rule, the attitude as if they do not turn 120 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: out to be the exact kind of weirdo Christian as 121 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: their parents they were groomed by somebody and it's merely 122 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: a matter of picking the topic of the person to blame. Yeah, 123 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: And all of that sort of rhetoric was extremely popular 124 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: through like the eighties and nineties and the early two 125 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:33,119 Speaker 1: thousand's UM. But then came the knots in the twenty 126 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: teens and this this this kind of had an attitude 127 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: shift and some of that started to go away. We 128 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: got we got queer eye, we got ellen. The rate 129 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: of conversion therapy started to decline. It was getting banned 130 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: in more states. There was more queer acceptance in certain 131 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: in certain sects of the church, even of course the 132 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: gay marriage went national, and eventually being like aggressively homophobic 133 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: became like not a good look. It did. It was 134 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: not you were not able to do that anymore, um 135 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: and still be able to have and and and and 136 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: do it as like nonchalantly as you were as you 137 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: used to be able to, whether that's in your like 138 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: TV show, or whether that's you as a corporation UM 139 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: or you know, some random other sectors of public life. 140 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: But then, of course Trump got elected year after gay 141 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: marriage went national, and then there's this resurgence in far 142 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: right extremism and the more commonly accepted kind of nonchalant 143 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 1: gay bashing of old gets passed down to the next 144 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: freak down the line, which is trans people. So with that, 145 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: the the adage of like the disgusting groomer freaks are 146 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 1: going to turn your kids gay turns into the gender 147 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,439 Speaker 1: ideology freaks are going to turn your kids trans. It's 148 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 1: all the same stuff, just passed on to the next, 149 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: to the next thing. Um. And so we have that 150 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: like anti trans and therefore anti queer hate festering for 151 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: a few years, and this inevitably opens up the door 152 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 1: just a revival of classic homophobia. Um. Even even liberals 153 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: like Friend of the pot at J. K. Rowling um 154 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: and lots of the original turfs got to apply the 155 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: same homophobic rhetoric to trans people, um and gender nonconforming folks, 156 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:16,679 Speaker 1: which then obviously results in that propaganda and rhetoric being 157 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: used to attack LGBTQ people on a whole once again. 158 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: So it's it's resurrecting these old homo tropes and just 159 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 1: applying it to a new generation of queer people. Um. 160 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: And uh So for this next part, we're gonna we're 161 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: gonna talk about lives of TikTok because they did play 162 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,959 Speaker 1: a big, a big part in what's what some current 163 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: discourses today. And I promise we'll get to Operation Pride 164 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: Fall here shortly, just just hanging there with me. But 165 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: before we talk about again, other friend of the pod, 166 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: Lives of TikTok Um, do you know what else it 167 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: wants to turn your kids gay? Oh? Are you talking 168 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: about the Washington State Highway Patrol? Because yes, they absolutely do. Garrison. 169 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:02,199 Speaker 1: That's the one guarante the Washington State Highway Patrol makes. 170 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:15,959 Speaker 1: They'll make your kids gay. Okay, Lives of TikTok joins 171 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: the fight today. God and I let's just take a 172 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: moment to acknowledge how fucking frustrating it is that we 173 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: have to discuss seriously TikTok that it matters, like the worst. 174 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:32,559 Speaker 1: It's terrible. It's terrible. People always criticize the show and 175 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: being like why do they talk about all these dumb 176 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: social media things? So like, yes, I know that they're stupid, 177 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:40,959 Speaker 1: but the bad part is that they actually matter. Yeah, 178 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: I mean maybe, yeah, we talked about him because of 179 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: the seventeen year old trans girl in Texas who just 180 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: got assaulted by like five dudes, because she was blamed 181 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: on the shooting, and she was blamed for the shooting 182 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: because in part of a lot of ship that lives 183 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: of TikTok helped to stir stir up because they proved 184 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: there was a market for it, that if you're like 185 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: a right wing shit grifter, attacking trans people is a 186 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: great way to get an engagement. Anyway, Sorry, Garrison, Yeah, So, 187 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 1: Lips of TikTok is a social media account turned to 188 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: social media campaign started in April one by a Brooklyn 189 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: area real estate agent named Chaia Chickum, who, by the way, 190 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: attended the January six attempted fascist insurrection. Um when when 191 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: when violence broke out that day at the Capitol, she 192 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: actually tweeted a play by play on a previous Twitter 193 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 1: account of hers, uh posting videos from the crowd and 194 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: the talking about tear gas and rubber bullets being like 195 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: shot right next to her. Um. And then after she 196 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 1: left the riot, she she tweeted on Twitter that uh 197 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:44,439 Speaker 1: that the the event was peaceful compared to a BLM protest. 198 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 1: So that's yes, anyway, five five people died. We you know, 199 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,959 Speaker 1: we we've we've we've now reached the party were now 200 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: in tragedy of as farce of the thing that happens 201 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:59,079 Speaker 1: in every single state that goes fascist, where all the 202 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: fascist trying to do a coop when it fails and 203 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 1: then nothing happens and then they take over the state, 204 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 1: like serously our version of that instead of like, I 205 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:10,559 Speaker 1: don't know, weird fascist yakuta guys, it's the libs of TikTok. 206 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 1: It is the limbs of TikTok. So the limbs of 207 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: TikTok was around like the third attempt by right check 208 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: to start a vital social media account. Uh, you know, 209 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: the saying three times the charm, but in this case 210 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: it actually was. So the account's gimmick is reposting and 211 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: often grossly misrepresenting select clips from quote unquote libs on 212 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: TikTok a big big shocker, big big surprise. Uh. But 213 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: more often than not, that really just means posting videos 214 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: of queer kids and transpeople, uh, captioning it with something reactionary, 215 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: and then leading a targeted harassment campaign against those individuals. 216 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:56,319 Speaker 1: On on May thirty one, so just about a year ago, 217 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: she made her first grooming related post, just tweeting stop 218 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: grooming kids and all caps this is the first time 219 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: she tweeted anything related to grooming um. The day before that, 220 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: she tweeted a video of a transperson um alongside the 221 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: vomit emoji and a caption that just says men should 222 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: not wear dresses. You can't change my mind. Her first 223 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: super viral video related to LGBTQ people was later in 224 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: June next month during Pride, by posting a TikTok of 225 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: a kid explaining the concept of gender fluidity. Pretty pretty 226 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 1: basic concept. Uh, but she lives lives a TikTok commented, 227 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: this is so messed up in so many ways. Her 228 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: Her post racked up half a million views and indicated 229 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: to her that the way to grow her little social 230 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: media project into a right wing viral sensation was going 231 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: to be with homophobia and transphobia. Uh that this is 232 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: how she decided to continue her online career. Essentially, she 233 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: called the prominent lgbt Q youth suicide prevention group the 234 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 1: Trevor prod Eject a grooming organization, and towards the end 235 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:10,079 Speaker 1: of two she kept using that term grooming groomer uh 236 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: at A at an ever increasing rate. Right It's it 237 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 1: starts starts in like May and June continues throughout the 238 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: summer and fall, and then in the fall and winter 239 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: she starts really kicking up all of the stuff around 240 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: around grooming and queer people. I mean, all of her 241 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: posts are already mostly about trans people and like trans 242 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 1: people at schools. Obviously she was a big part of 243 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: like the the whole school board thing from last year. 244 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: So but towards the end one though, is when the 245 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: groomer things started becoming more of a recurring trend quoting 246 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: quoting slate uh. Towards the end of one and into 247 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: the new year, right Check found her rhythm with memes 248 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: and videos calling LGBTQ people and those who supported l 249 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: g b t Q youth quote unquote groomers. She has 250 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: even attempted to smear one of the most prominent game 251 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: and in the country as a groomer. Uh. In a 252 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: deleted tweet, right Check's account accused Transportation Secretary Secretary Pete's 253 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: husband Chastin, of grooming kids for his work at at 254 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: supporting lgbt Q youth organizations. This isn't fair, but I 255 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: hate that his name is Chastin. I know, I don't 256 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: like I don't like that name. I don't like that name. 257 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: I'm not a big I'm not a Chaston's stand either, 258 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 1: but but but yeah, it's like finding the most prominent 259 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: libby gay men and being like, hey, these people probably 260 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: groom kids, and you know that that obviously riles up 261 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: their base. Um. She's she's called for any teacher who 262 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: comes out as gay to their students to be quote 263 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: fired on the spot. Uh, which actually has happened since then. 264 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: Uh has has has happened multiple times since since since 265 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: this account has been has been launched. UM. The account's 266 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: popularity grew alongside last year's racist, homophobic, and transphobic attacks 267 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: on school boards across the country. She would often posting 268 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: videos of queer teachers and lying about them grooming kids 269 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: into being gay or whatever. She was promoting organized harassment 270 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: campaigns against those teachers. Uh interspersed with tweets and screenshots 271 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: of news articles about teachers who sexually assaulted students, importantly 272 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: not posting the article, but just like a screenshot of 273 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: the headline, along with comments like funny, how this keeps happening? 274 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: Which is like neglects to mention that like all these 275 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: incidents are from heterosexual teachers uh, or like that one 276 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: story from last year of a cop and his wife 277 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: who was a teacher working together to sexually abused children, 278 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: Like none of them are actually about gay people. It's all. 279 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not certain if a school resource officer 280 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: has ever stopped a mass shooting, but I know that 281 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: something like fifty of them have been fired from a 282 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: lesting kids. Yeah. It's it's it's it's really it's really 283 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: insidious because she's she's posting all this to about, you know, 284 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: teachers grooming kids, uh, you know, and into being like 285 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 1: queer teachers grooming kids, like alongside headlines of teachers actually 286 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,959 Speaker 1: assault like sexually sexually assaulting kids, but those headlines are 287 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 1: all of stories about heterosexual teachers. Like but you know, 288 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 1: so she posts both of those things. So it's like 289 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:22,640 Speaker 1: to like to have this correlation for her audience despite 290 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,919 Speaker 1: them not actually being related. Because yeah, lives of TikTok 291 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:28,360 Speaker 1: Shore ain't posting about how cops should be kept away 292 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 1: from kids for the safety of the children. Um, they're 293 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: they're they're they're never going to post about how many 294 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 1: people who can grooming stuff have been arrested because like 295 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 1: several of the organizers of of of this whole like 296 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 1: gave people like grooming kids, things like have been arrested 297 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: for child abuse since this started, which yeah, no it's not, 298 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: it's never it's never gonna matter. But you know, posting 299 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,400 Speaker 1: and lying about queer teachers grooming children next to headlines 300 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: about teachers sexually abusing kids to manufacture this correlation, which 301 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 1: is of course false, but it's still highly effective. Now. 302 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: Believe me. I would love to not talk about Twitter nonsense, 303 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 1: but unfortunately Twitter accounts like lips of TikTok actually do 304 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: play a massive role in shaping offline conservative politics. Lips 305 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,919 Speaker 1: of TikTok was very soon being interviewed by New York Post, 306 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: being boosted by Joe Rogan going on Tucker Carlson. Other 307 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: Fox News hosts like Jesse Waters began featuring content straight 308 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: from the lips of TikTok twitter feed, uh and Tucker 309 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 1: encouraged his viewers to follow the account before it's a band. 310 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: If you want to know, quote what may be happening 311 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 1: in your child's school. Lass March, when lips of TikTok 312 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 1: posted the video of a woman teaching sex ed to 313 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 1: kids in Kentucky, like you know, preteens or whatever, she 314 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 1: called the woman a predator. In the next evening, the 315 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,199 Speaker 1: same clip was featured on Laura Ingram's Fox News program, 316 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: with the host saying, when did our school, any of 317 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: any schools become essential become what are essentially grooming centers 318 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: for a gender identity radicals. Um so, yeah, this is 319 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:00,200 Speaker 1: the content straight from lista TikTok being put onto the 320 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: most watched news programs in the world. Um and as 321 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 1: we'll see, also being taken in by some of the 322 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: most powerful conservative politicians. Mainstream conservative politicians quickly joined in 323 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 1: in the tuting of the lips of TikTok grooming. Horn 324 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: Uh obviously wrote around as Santis is a big, big 325 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 1: part of this, of one of Florida Governor Rhda Santis's 326 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 1: top aids and press secretary is a huge fan of 327 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 1: lips of TikTok um and is in frequent communication with them. 328 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: Quoting the Washington Post quote by March two, lips of 329 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 1: TikTok was directly impacting legislation, Rhonda santiss Press secretary Christina 330 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 1: Pershaw credited the account with quote opening her eyes and 331 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: informing her views on the state's restrictive legislation that bands 332 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 1: discussion of sexuality or gender identity in kindergarten through third 333 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,360 Speaker 1: grade referred to critics as they don't say gay bill. 334 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: The bill has been unquote. So this bill has has 335 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 1: already been used to get middle school teachers fired for 336 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: for for saying that they are not straight. Um, and 337 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 1: you'll notice that middle school is not in kindergarten through 338 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: third grade. Uh So, remember when we were all saying, hey, 339 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 1: the actually it actually doesn't matter that the bill says 340 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 1: it's only up for kindergarten through third grade. It's just 341 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: gonna be applied for anyone. Yeah, it turns out we 342 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: were right. Uh so it's this. The bill has already 343 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: been specifically cited in the firing of multiple teachers from 344 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: Florida for for just not not you know, conforming to 345 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 1: the heterosexual Christian hegemonic worldview. And Lips of TikTok is 346 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 1: still currently among the most prominent influencers affecting actual material 347 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:44,879 Speaker 1: conditions and shaping both the rhetoric and propaganda while impacting legislation. 348 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:49,400 Speaker 1: UM friend of Lips of TikTok and des Sentences, Press 349 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: Secretary Christina Persia has said, quote the bill that liberals 350 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: inaccurately called Don't Say Gay would be more accurately described 351 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: as an anti grooming bill. If you're against the anti 352 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 1: rooming bill, you probably are a groomer, or at least 353 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: you don't denounce the grooming of four to eight year 354 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 1: old children. Silence is complicncy. This is how it works, democrats. 355 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: This is how it works, democrats. And I didn't make 356 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: the rules. So yeah, see you see how we have. 357 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: See how that works. You called you called the Don't 358 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: Say Gay bill a anti grooming bill, so that everyone, 359 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: anyone who criticizes it is now a groomer? Is it? 360 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: Is it? That a fun way to play with words? 361 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: Isn't that nice? That is a fun way to play 362 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 1: with words? Garrison love it. So the past few months 363 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: we've seen this. You know, queer people are groomers. Meme 364 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: reach seemingly never never before seen heights, and uh at 365 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 1: least is and at the very least is the highest 366 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 1: and most me medic has ever been in the past 367 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 1: two decades. You know, it's it's really building off of 368 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:52,120 Speaker 1: all of the killer local pedophile ship, right, It's it's 369 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,160 Speaker 1: the Robert, do you want to briefly, briefly talk about 370 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: killer local. I mean, it's a bunch of bumper stickers. 371 00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: It's a slogan like I know dudes who are not 372 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,679 Speaker 1: at all fascists and say that because they're like new 373 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 1: Dad's and they're horrified at the But like the whole, 374 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 1: like the core of it is this right wing and 375 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: it kind of started off in like the sort of 376 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 1: libertarian gun nut communities. But it's it's, it's it's really 377 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: used a lot as sort of it's a group that 378 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,360 Speaker 1: you can talk about doing anything too. You can talk 379 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:26,239 Speaker 1: about killing, you can like fetishize murdering, um. And if 380 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: you can then like define other groups as inherently pedophilic, 381 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 1: then you can do anything to them, right, Like that's 382 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 1: the basic idea is if you can get people saying 383 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 1: it's always okay to use vigilante violence against this group, um, 384 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: And obviously no one's gonna defend child molesters, But then 385 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 1: you start making the case that people who are not 386 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: in fact molesting children are somehow pedophiles or you know, 387 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: or somehow related to pedophiles, and then suddenly it's okay 388 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 1: to kill them. It's okay violence massive social groups like 389 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: all of gay and trans people, so if you conflate 390 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,200 Speaker 1: these two things are able to make these things sent 391 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,719 Speaker 1: the same thing in someone's mind that makes homophobia now 392 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 1: not a bad thing, but like a moral imperative, Like 393 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: you have to be homophobic because these people are grooming children. Yep, 394 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: and you can get you get this interesting thing to 395 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: which like there are people who are like not quite 396 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 1: as far in who will do who will say? I 397 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: see things a lot where it's like someone's like, oh, 398 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 1: well I don't have a problem with gay people, but 399 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: like they shouldn't groom kids, and it's like this is 400 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 1: that's not what's happening, bro. Yeah, no, do you know 401 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: do you know what else doesn't groom kids? I mean, 402 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 1: the Washington State definitely does. But let me tell you, 403 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:47,120 Speaker 1: if you want somebody to groom your children, the Washington 404 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 1: Highways State Highway patrob will do that. But you know 405 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: what they won't do is protect those children in the 406 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:56,120 Speaker 1: event of danger because that might endanger them. So look, look, 407 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 1: sometimes sometimes right someone who's try someone who's killing your kid, 408 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: and you need to get pepper sprayed, and when that 409 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: time calls you, you will beg for the Washington Highway 410 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: State Patrol. Well, you'll beg for a different police department. 411 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: But when those police get in trouble because of their 412 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: failure to act, than the Washington State Highway Patrol will 413 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,479 Speaker 1: show up to protect those cops. Anyway, here's here's the bads. 414 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: We're back. Um. So as the queer people are Groomer's 415 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,439 Speaker 1: ship was reaching the most me medic and the highest 416 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: rate of of of trending that it's has had in 417 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: decades this past April, at the height of the recent 418 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: increased wave of anti queer legislation and anti lgbt Q rhetoric. Um. 419 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: This this is when some terminally online teenagers tried to 420 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 1: start can get pride discourse once again. And I do 421 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,160 Speaker 1: not want to talk about this, but I've written off 422 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 1: about it, so I'm going to this Legitimately, what I 423 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 1: was like thinking about I realized I was gay, and 424 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, I should come out, 425 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: and then I would like. One of the things that 426 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 1: I spent a long time thinking about was does this 427 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 1: mean I have to do can't get pride discourse? And 428 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: for a long time I would have said no, of 429 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,880 Speaker 1: course not, I'm never going to do this. But here 430 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: we are, so anyway, uh do I kick doing kink 431 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,120 Speaker 1: get pride discourse? Uh? Then, and even still now, while 432 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 1: the antiqueer onslaught is accelerating at the highest pace it's 433 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 1: had in years. Sure seems to be like dumping fuel 434 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,640 Speaker 1: on the fire. Uh what's up with that? Kids? Why 435 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: so anyway, Uh, the discourse itself revolves around whether kink 436 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: apparel or paraphernalia render the pride space unsafe for miners 437 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: or quote unquote non consensual observers. Uh heavy heavy quotation 438 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 1: marks there by the way. Uh. But also it is 439 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:05,200 Speaker 1: heavily rooted in assimilationist and respectability politics and a push 440 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: for l g B t Q people to be seen 441 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: as more acceptable or more normal while still existing in 442 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:16,159 Speaker 1: a heteronormative society. Um. And now, obviously I'm not a 443 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 1: fan of this discourse happening in the first place, especially now, 444 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: Like why are you doing it now during all the 445 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 1: groomer stuff? Stop it, that's stop it, don't do that, 446 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: quit it? Why are you doing this? Uh? But first 447 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 1: of all, I also want to point out how this 448 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 1: entire discourse runs on the same train of thought that 449 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 1: fuels all of the groomer stuff in the first place. 450 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,159 Speaker 1: It's it's it's picking at the same part of human brains. 451 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: So here's I'm going to read this post that went 452 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 1: super vital about a month ago, that that's sparked, that 453 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:52,400 Speaker 1: sparked the new wave of this uh much much frustrated discourse. 454 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: Quote l g B t Q, youth being uncomfortable with 455 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 1: kinks at Pride is not homophobia. Kinks at Pride might 456 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: have been fine if this was still the nineteen hundreds 457 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 1: or adults were the only ones attending Pride, But it's 458 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,400 Speaker 1: not the nineteen hundreds anymore, and now kids are way 459 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 1: more involved in celebrating our identities. The celebrating our identities 460 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,119 Speaker 1: part there is really important and well, we'll talk about 461 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: this more soon, but look, largely in the past like 462 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,399 Speaker 1: twenty years, there's been this shift with queerness and sexual 463 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: orientation being less about who you fuck and more like 464 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:31,880 Speaker 1: a personality aspect or a social identity with a branded aesthetic. Um, 465 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 1: it's it's this, it's like, it's it's which is in 466 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 1: some ways good, like in some ways good that people 467 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 1: are more able to express themselves however they want. But 468 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: you know, kids at school aren't getting bullied for being 469 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:48,400 Speaker 1: gay anymore, which again is good less than they were, 470 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: they're they're getting bullied less somewhat depending on where you live. 471 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 1: But it's also kind of it's made people forget the 472 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:03,120 Speaker 1: whole like, uh, like gays bash back or gaze, don't 473 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: bash back, but shoot first. Like it's forgot. We don't 474 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,679 Speaker 1: have that. That's not as a core component of queerness anymore, 475 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: because queerness is now able to be kind of more 476 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 1: safe and sanitized. Uh. And it's it's a right. It's 477 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 1: like it's and it's it's it's a personal identity in 478 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: a way that it's not it's not just about who 479 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 1: you fuck anymore. It's like this like personal identity aspect um, 480 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:24,640 Speaker 1: which I'm not saying is bad. It's just that there's 481 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,680 Speaker 1: this thing that's happened that's changed the way we talk 482 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: about sexual orientation. Hey, quick pause, This is Garrison from 483 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 1: the Future here, just popping in to clarify a bit 484 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: on what I mean regarding this note on identities and 485 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: identifying as various shades of queer. What I'm getting at 486 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 1: is that when observing some of the baby queers around 487 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 1: my age or maybe a bit younger, queerness is seen 488 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: as a more available option for young people when putting 489 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: together their personality or sense of self and more separated 490 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: from the aty gritty details of who you fuck now 491 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 1: that queerness is generally more tolerated. Now, don't get me wrong, 492 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 1: I do like the idea of being free to choose queerness. 493 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: In many ways, I consider myself as having chosen to 494 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: be gay. The thing about framing that as your quote 495 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: unquote personal identity, as opposed to simply choosing to be 496 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: what you are, is that the former lets you wield 497 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 1: that quote unquote identity against other people, or other queer people. 498 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 1: I disagree with you. It's it's this thing where queerness 499 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 1: is filtered through the lens of brands and like brand recognition, 500 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: which is definitely made worse by social media, dating apps, 501 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: personal profiles, and personal bios. And it's part of this 502 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: cultural push to like have everyone create their own personal brand. 503 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: And like, I don't want to identify as gender queer, 504 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 1: I just am gender queer. I don't identify as gay. 505 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 1: I just like catboys. Therefore I am gay. It's a 506 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: different ontological framing and one that I think is less 507 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 1: susceptible to heteronormative assimilationist ideas. And like the capitalist marketing 508 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 1: to queerness as a brand or as a market demographic. 509 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: If your queerness is a personal identity that's more sanitized, 510 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 1: more approachable for a head normative society, then you get 511 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 1: to use your identity to attack gay people whose queerness 512 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 1: is more based in deviant sexuality and alternative communities. I'm 513 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna read the the follow up tweet to this, 514 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 1: to this thing that sparked the new discourse quote. Not 515 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 1: even all lgbt Q adults are comfortable with seeing kings 516 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: at Pride. There's nothing from there's nothing stopping you guys 517 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 1: from adjusting or having after events strictly for adults when 518 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,479 Speaker 1: they're partaken that y'all need to adjust that every lgbt 519 00:30:55,600 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 1: Q person feels comfortable attending. So let's let's just do 520 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 1: some like queer history here for a second. The first 521 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 1: Pride was a riot um on on on on that 522 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 1: night in June in the nineteen sixty nine nice Uh, 523 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: the police raided the Stonewall in one of the largest 524 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 1: private private gate clubs in the US at the time. 525 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 1: The patrons of the bar, you know, trans women of color, homeless, 526 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 1: queer teens, drag queens, lesbians, and leather daddies fought back 527 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 1: lots of trans teenagers through bricks at cops, and like 528 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 1: a fair number of those trans teenagers were also sex workers. Uh. 529 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 1: Kink including you know, like leather daddies and lots of 530 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: aspects that are we now views as like kink or 531 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 1: b d s M has been a part of Pride 532 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 1: since its literal inception, like way back in nineteen sixty nine. 533 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: Um And while like, while drag isn't considered king now 534 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 1: in two it still is considered it's actually deviant. But 535 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 1: back in like the twentieth century, uh in in ninety 536 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 1: you know, in nineteen sixty nine, New York City still 537 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 1: had laws that prohibited cross dressing. So drag used to 538 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 1: be way more kinky than it is now. Uh And 539 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 1: like basically all queer sex used to be unacceptable kink 540 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 1: or just a crime. It was a crime in Texas 541 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 1: until like do you like, I think around when I 542 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 1: graduated high school two thousand three was when the Supreme 543 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 1: Court also, it's no longer an enforceable laws, and it's illegal. 544 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 1: It's still illegal to own more than five dildos. Yeah, 545 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 1: I think it's five, but it might be six. So 546 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 1: like all queer sex used to be unacceptable, kink and 547 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 1: many logistical aspects of gay fucking used to happen in public. 548 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna quote an article from them dot 549 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: us quote. For some people, gay rights and gay liberation 550 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 1: do not hinge on particulars of sexual desire. For years, 551 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: I've heard that we aren't just our ironic identities, But 552 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: for many of us, it does begin there, and it 553 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 1: does revolve around the ways we organize our erotic choices. 554 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 1: Before l g b t Q plus people had pride parades, 555 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,959 Speaker 1: our community spaces were not just bars, but cruising spots 556 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 1: like bathhouses, dungeons, and public restrooms. It should be no 557 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 1: surprise that many queer folks find their sex lives and 558 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 1: their sense of community to be intertwined. B D s M, 559 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 1: subversive sexuality, and leather culture have enjoyed a long history 560 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 1: within the lgbt Q rights movement. They are inherent expressions 561 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 1: of queer culture and sexuality. Being free to signal your 562 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 1: sexuality out in the open within a queer context is 563 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: the entire point of pride unquote. So like all of 564 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 1: this discourse around pride and kink, it pride reflects a 565 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 1: modern but regressive idea that sexuality is inherently damaging to see, experience, 566 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 1: or think about in a public context, especially if that 567 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 1: sexuality is inherently queer. And there's this other idea that 568 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 1: we see a lot of in this type of discourse, 569 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 1: and it's mirrored a little bit with like the groomer 570 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 1: stuff too, that if you see someone quote unquote engaging 571 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,399 Speaker 1: in kink, and like in the case of Pride, that's 572 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 1: like what wearing a collar, harness or a pop mask, 573 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:23,360 Speaker 1: that just the act of observation is somehow a violation 574 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:29,799 Speaker 1: of consent. And it's really frustrating because indication of sexuality 575 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 1: in a non vanilla sense, while in public, is not 576 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,840 Speaker 1: a violation of consent. Like I didn't consent quote unquote 577 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:43,320 Speaker 1: consent to see the rainbow cops, right, But public indication 578 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 1: of sexuality is not a consent of violation. And again, 579 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:52,759 Speaker 1: indicating sexuality is like the entire point of Pride. Weaponizing 580 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,239 Speaker 1: quote unquote consent to call out people that we see 581 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 1: but don't interact with, who are quote unquote dressed to 582 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 1: se actual in our own mind is bad for multiple reasons. 583 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: It also potentially dilutes legitimate claims of non consent in 584 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:12,719 Speaker 1: cases of actual sexual violence. And it's it's like this 585 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:14,879 Speaker 1: thing like if you look at someone in a pup mask, 586 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,440 Speaker 1: there is no consent violation there. That's a really weird 587 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 1: thing that people that people talk about. And it's not 588 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,920 Speaker 1: it's not like I'm not trying to start fights on 589 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 1: the internet with like these tender queer children, um, because 590 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,279 Speaker 1: like and I I don't want anyone to find like these, 591 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,399 Speaker 1: like you know, months old posts and start harassing these people. 592 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 1: But that post has like over thirty thousand likes and 593 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 1: thousands and thousands and thousands of retweets, and it basically 594 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:44,360 Speaker 1: just repeats like old queer bashing talking points that conflate 595 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:48,320 Speaker 1: kink and queer visibility with public sex that endangerous children, 596 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:53,400 Speaker 1: and like conflating gaze being visible and semi clothed with 597 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,920 Speaker 1: being like dangerous to children. Are the same talking points 598 00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 1: that it gets used for book bands conversion therapy, and 599 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 1: they don't say gay bills, right. This idea that if 600 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 1: you look at a gay person shirtless, that's dangerous to 601 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 1: a kid, that's the same that's the same underlying motivation 602 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 1: that fuels all of the screwbery discourse. Uh, it's it's 603 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 1: it's the whole thing where it's like I'm okay with 604 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: gay people, I just don't want to see it, right. 605 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,840 Speaker 1: It's like that that that that idea in and of 606 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,920 Speaker 1: itself is like is still like exists on that you know, 607 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,279 Speaker 1: I didn't consent to look at it type of thing. 608 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,879 Speaker 1: You know. This This is other other tweet from somebody 609 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 1: being like forcing people to see kicky stuff without consent 610 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 1: is really weird. I'm sorry, but I don't want pop 611 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,799 Speaker 1: masks at Pride events for families. I saw that ship 612 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 1: in real life and it made me uncomfortable. Don't involve 613 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,280 Speaker 1: other people in their kinks. I if they don't consent 614 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,760 Speaker 1: and like looking at someone in a mask, it'sn't involving 615 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,839 Speaker 1: you in any of these kinks. You're if you're looking 616 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:48,920 Speaker 1: at someone in an other mask, Like, if that makes 617 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,719 Speaker 1: you uncomfortable, that that's your problem. You do have a 618 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,840 Speaker 1: right to not be uncomfortable with how people look or 619 00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,239 Speaker 1: are in public. Look, every time I go out into 620 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,799 Speaker 1: the world, I see something that makes me a comfortable. Um, 621 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 1: I see a lot of people with children. Now, do 622 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 1: I think it should be legal to have children? I 623 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,280 Speaker 1: do think that it should be it should be illegal exactly. 624 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,360 Speaker 1: So I like, look, we all have to deal with 625 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,400 Speaker 1: things that make us uncomfortable. Look like we have a 626 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,440 Speaker 1: clear solution here that the way to deal with events 627 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 1: not being family friendly used to get rid of families. 628 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,320 Speaker 1: That's it's exactly right. We have to eliminate the concept 629 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 1: of the family. Yeah, come on, come on, come. Communist 630 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,359 Speaker 1: manifesto was what this is? One oh one ship people? 631 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,680 Speaker 1: You were you were? You were quoting from the Communist manifesto. Okay, 632 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,960 Speaker 1: that's interesting, That's that's not where I got it from. 633 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,359 Speaker 1: But I I feel like I feel like a lot 634 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,080 Speaker 1: of these people, many of them like young teens, who 635 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,240 Speaker 1: are complaining about being forced to look at ute unquote 636 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,640 Speaker 1: inappropriate things that pride, have never actually been to a 637 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:51,520 Speaker 1: pride because most of most of modern pride is like 638 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 1: really sanitized and chill like it's like it is. It 639 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:59,320 Speaker 1: is overrun with corporate sponsors, politicians, and cops. Like you 640 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 1: are you you are way more likely to see armed 641 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,200 Speaker 1: police at like a Pride march then you're then you'll 642 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,720 Speaker 1: be likely to see like tits or like gags or whatever. 643 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,840 Speaker 1: Like most It's funny to me because like I started 644 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 1: going to these and this is before the internet was 645 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,279 Speaker 1: what it was or moral panics were what they were. 646 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,240 Speaker 1: But like in Texas, I would go to these events 647 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,800 Speaker 1: where there would be people of all ages and families. 648 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,800 Speaker 1: These are like little burning regionals. People would be like 649 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,839 Speaker 1: at like on the big night when people are doing 650 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,239 Speaker 1: like the fire shows and the fireworks stuff, people would 651 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:35,359 Speaker 1: be like fucking and like manning flamethrowers, like while having sex. 652 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 1: There there were like there was a whole chunk of 653 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 1: it that was just like the kink row and you 654 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 1: could walk down it and watch people get like whipped 655 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,880 Speaker 1: and fuck a sybian and stuff. It was just like 656 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:46,839 Speaker 1: I don't remember any of this fucking. Like the only 657 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,359 Speaker 1: discourse was like, well, okay, we should probably like make 658 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,480 Speaker 1: sure that people know where that kind of stuff mainly 659 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,560 Speaker 1: happens so that like they don't have to walk around 660 00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 1: it if they don't want to. But like it was, Yeah, 661 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 1: it's like this idea that like not even full nudity, 662 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,840 Speaker 1: but like semi nudity than a queer context is inherently 663 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,440 Speaker 1: more dangerous to children if it's if it's in a 664 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,879 Speaker 1: queer context than a straight context. Right, we have all 665 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,080 Speaker 1: of these even like queer kids can like complaining online 666 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,320 Speaker 1: about being forced to see things at Pride just like 667 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,560 Speaker 1: they would see way more skinned if they went to 668 00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:20,719 Speaker 1: like a beach in the summer, Like it's it's there's 669 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,200 Speaker 1: It revolves on the same homeophobic idea that like if 670 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,240 Speaker 1: if you look at these things in a queer context 671 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,640 Speaker 1: that is like more adult than looking at it within 672 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:36,880 Speaker 1: a straight context. Yes, um, it's I don't know, frustrating, 673 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,960 Speaker 1: it's frustrating and like another another reason why that I 674 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,319 Speaker 1: think many of these like baby leftist tender queers are 675 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 1: who are who are crusading against kink ap Pride and 676 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:50,879 Speaker 1: complaining about like leather and or like sexy underwear. Um, 677 00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,359 Speaker 1: but lots of them even uh, first of all, most 678 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:55,839 Speaker 1: of them, I think lots of haven't been de Pride 679 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:57,959 Speaker 1: because there hasn't really been Pride for the past two years, 680 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,879 Speaker 1: and lots of these people are like fifteen years old. Um, 681 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,600 Speaker 1: but a lot of them also just like admit to 682 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,840 Speaker 1: never be going to Pride because they're too terrified to 683 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,920 Speaker 1: see a pop mask, Like they openly say like I've 684 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,439 Speaker 1: never been because I don't want to see these things, 685 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:14,959 Speaker 1: Like sure, you're allowed to do that, But then don't 686 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:20,160 Speaker 1: make don't like, don't campaign against king Pride, which will 687 00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:24,080 Speaker 1: result in your posts getting used by like homophobic trolls 688 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,480 Speaker 1: and bigots. I don't go to because I don't want 689 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 1: to see a deep dish pizza, but I don't try 690 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,640 Speaker 1: to ban them, like I understand that that's the thing 691 00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,880 Speaker 1: you people. Like, Like, the first time I saw a 692 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,120 Speaker 1: pop mask was that fucking comic Con. Like it's like 693 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,560 Speaker 1: like like it's not you don't see like band pup 694 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:46,840 Speaker 1: masks from comic con, Like what Like these these people, 695 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,840 Speaker 1: like these kids are are basing their fears off of 696 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,719 Speaker 1: like a few viral photos that are often shared in 697 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,680 Speaker 1: a disingenuous context. Now, well we'll talk about these photos 698 00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,040 Speaker 1: in a bit, but you know, these these people are 699 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,520 Speaker 1: like fifteen years old, have never been to p and 700 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:04,880 Speaker 1: are just like simply terrified of like actual sexuality. Like 701 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,080 Speaker 1: they enjoy, they engage with queerness is like a personal 702 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,279 Speaker 1: identity and stuff. But once they get into like the 703 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,800 Speaker 1: nitty gritty of like sex, that makes them really uncomfortable 704 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,120 Speaker 1: because their teens, because they're kids, that that's okay, you 705 00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,840 Speaker 1: can be uncomfortable with sex. That makes sense. That is 706 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:21,160 Speaker 1: that it's appropriate for your age, but then don't make 707 00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:26,120 Speaker 1: your entire online presence about trying to shut down this 708 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:30,640 Speaker 1: massive aspect of queer history. Um because like the kinky 709 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,520 Speaker 1: stuff that I've seen at Pride is yeah, on par 710 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,680 Speaker 1: with what you see at Comic Con. I often will 711 00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:39,480 Speaker 1: see more more nudity at Portland's Comic Con than I 712 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,799 Speaker 1: than I will at any of the Pride events I've 713 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,120 Speaker 1: been to. Um Like, all of the more like openly 714 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:49,400 Speaker 1: like fetish folks or kinky folks are really responsible and 715 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:53,120 Speaker 1: act pretty appropriately at Pride, and and the people who 716 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,120 Speaker 1: like say otherwise online generally just have not actually been 717 00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,680 Speaker 1: to Pride in their entire life. Um Because like this 718 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:04,520 Speaker 1: complaining about quote unquote like inappropriate fetishes or like kinky conduct, 719 00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,839 Speaker 1: it's basically code for I am uncomfortable with you being 720 00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,719 Speaker 1: positive about the way you view sex, and I want 721 00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:13,320 Speaker 1: you to not show it, and I want you to 722 00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:14,880 Speaker 1: not and I want you to not talk about it, 723 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,400 Speaker 1: which is the same underlying thought process that people use 724 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:22,600 Speaker 1: to be homophobic. It's the it's the exact same thing. Um. Now, 725 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,680 Speaker 1: a lot of this discourse oversimplifies kink and b d s. 726 00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,600 Speaker 1: M Um, right, queerness can be about it can be 727 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:30,920 Speaker 1: about love, it can be about it can be about 728 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:35,880 Speaker 1: sexual attraction um and both uh or sometimes for a 729 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,800 Speaker 1: sexual people in lacking one or the other um or 730 00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,080 Speaker 1: both uh. But but by that same token, right, kink, 731 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,759 Speaker 1: leather and b D s M aren't all exclusively about 732 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,399 Speaker 1: sex to a large extent, they're also about community building um. 733 00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,080 Speaker 1: And I just think these these like earnest think of 734 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,160 Speaker 1: the youth arguments are very silly because even when it 735 00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:59,360 Speaker 1: comes to youth, because if you're uncomfortable things, that's totally fine. 736 00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,200 Speaker 1: But in a lot of cases, like queer teenagers also 737 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,640 Speaker 1: have sex generally with other career teenagers, sometimes even in 738 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,960 Speaker 1: a kinky context, and that's okay. Pride it's about celebrating 739 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:15,000 Speaker 1: everyone's individual ability to do that. And I don't like 740 00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,720 Speaker 1: it when when people just rehash old homophobic talking points 741 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,719 Speaker 1: to to and especially during during all of this, all 742 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:27,160 Speaker 1: of this groomy discourse, because a key key part of 743 00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,600 Speaker 1: key part of kink, keep part of like queer sex, 744 00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:34,120 Speaker 1: is consent. And once you're start you start complating what 745 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,759 Speaker 1: consent is by saying that me looking at you wearing 746 00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:38,960 Speaker 1: a collar is a violation of consent. Once you start 747 00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,840 Speaker 1: undermining what consent actually means. That's like not a good thing, 748 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,400 Speaker 1: it's actually not that is actually a bad thing, especially 749 00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,040 Speaker 1: right now during all of the during all of all 750 00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,640 Speaker 1: of all of the grammar stuff. So that is we 751 00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:54,200 Speaker 1: are we've gone kind of over on on time here. Um, 752 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,120 Speaker 1: but we're gonna make We're gonna make this a two parter. 753 00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,279 Speaker 1: In the next episode, we'll talk a bit more about 754 00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,880 Speaker 1: like tender Years and we'll actually get into the plans 755 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,160 Speaker 1: of Operation Pridefall and talk about how we kind of 756 00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,800 Speaker 1: got to this point because man, there's a lot of 757 00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:11,600 Speaker 1: kids sharing sharing pictures online and oh boy, do those 758 00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:16,960 Speaker 1: pictures originate in some dubious, dubious places. Um. So that 759 00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:18,840 Speaker 1: that that does it for us today. We will we 760 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:23,920 Speaker 1: will see you tomorrow. Um. Pride's fun. We should not 761 00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:31,160 Speaker 1: police what other people do. So yeah, anyway, bye bye. 762 00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,160 Speaker 1: It could happen here as a production of cool Zone Media. 763 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,080 Speaker 1: Well more podcasts from cool Zone Media. Visit our website 764 00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,200 Speaker 1: cool zone media dot com, or check us out on 765 00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,759 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you 766 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,640 Speaker 1: listen to podcasts. You can find sources for It could 767 00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,600 Speaker 1: Happen Here, updated monthly at cool Zone Media dot com 768 00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,560 Speaker 1: slash sources. Thanks for listening.