Speaker 1: That I've never thought of myself as a legend, but
Speaker 1: it's going to be Dal Arnhut Junior j Teleeger Dale
Speaker 1: barn Hunt.
Speaker 2: Junior wins the forty sixth that turn of five hundred.
Speaker 1: I wanted him to be proud and happy. That was
Speaker 1: way more than important than a trophy. He was going
Speaker 1: to build one of the best race teams that this
Speaker 1: sport would ever see. Imagine getting getting a belt from
Speaker 1: Dale Earnhardt in some of the toughest moments, You're just like,
Speaker 1: I want to disappear. If that never happened, I'd probably
Speaker 1: race way on into my late forties. Twenty fifteen heads, Well,
Speaker 1: how did this happen between you two? You know every
Speaker 1: team needs that sort of clown, right, that class clown.
Speaker 2: Have you ever gotten that like mental to where you're like,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna wreck this car?
Speaker 1: That was one and this is what I don't tell.
Speaker 2: Welcome to another episode of Busting with the Boys. I
Speaker 2: am your host, Will Compton. You're the co host. Taylor
Speaker 2: Lawan my co host. I apologize he is a training camp.
Speaker 2: We have a special this this pod is, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: on the mount busmore. We have Dale Earnhardt Junior flew
Speaker 2: to Nashville on a private jet crazy flex DAYA flew in,
Speaker 2: landed at about three pm, drove over god here about
Speaker 2: four wrecked a pod with us for about two How long?
Speaker 2: How long is the pod blast? Over? Two hours? And
Speaker 2: let me tell you some guys, You guys are gonna
Speaker 2: want to pull up a lawn chair because essentially what
Speaker 2: we're doing in this episode, if we're sitting around a
Speaker 2: bonfire or a little campfire and Dale Junior is just
Speaker 2: telling a story after story after story. If you're not
Speaker 2: big in the NASCAR culture of the NASCAR community, this
Speaker 2: is going to be an incredible episode. If you're big
Speaker 2: in NASCAR culture and you know everything there is to
Speaker 2: know about Dale Earnhard Junior, there are questions and stories
Speaker 2: in here that I believe you have not heard. Our boy,
Speaker 2: Zach Patten, General Patten, he was in the back, has
Speaker 2: listened to everything known to man about Dale Earnhart Junr.
Speaker 2: And had a couple very detailed, insightful questions that of
Speaker 2: course Dale dove in on. But this pod, Dude, when
Speaker 2: we got the bus and we knew was a Dale,
Speaker 2: we knew was Dale Earnheart eight bus. Clearly you want
Speaker 2: the Joe Rogans of the world on. But Dale Earnhard Junr.
Speaker 2: Was on that short list on getting him on the bus,
Speaker 2: and I can't believe we got him here. I can't
Speaker 2: believe he flew in. We talk about our friendship because
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Speaker 2: Like that's one regret you Yeah, yeah, he's like, I'm
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Speaker 1: Yeah. First question, how does it feel to be a legend? Dale?
Speaker 1: How did it feel? Yeah that I've never thought of
Speaker 1: myself as a legend. I I was the son of
Speaker 1: a legend.
Speaker 2: Now I do know that.
Speaker 3: It.
Speaker 1: Uh, it was kind of amazing to grow up in
Speaker 1: that house and and see all the things that he
Speaker 1: was doing and all the people that pulled for him
Speaker 1: and cheered for him, and going to races and going
Speaker 1: to Victor Lane, and being this kid that just had
Speaker 1: all access. You know, you could just go through any gate,
Speaker 1: through any part of the track you wanted to go to.
Speaker 1: And I ran around those tracks like they were a playground.
Speaker 1: And let's go watch the cars racing one and two
Speaker 1: for a while. Let's go down to turn three and
Speaker 1: four and watch them. Let's go into the garage here
Speaker 1: and look at the car that just wrecked. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you could just do it all. Go up in the suite,
Speaker 1: let's eat the food, you know, and then when Dad wins,
Speaker 1: we go to Victor Lane.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So it was pretty awesome and I just always wanted to.
Speaker 1: I wanted to race, but I didn't know how. I
Speaker 1: didn't know, like there's no like college level, there's no
Speaker 1: high school racing, you know. And so I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: how the hell do I race? Like I'm thirteen, fourteen
Speaker 1: years old, I don't know how to start.
Speaker 2: What do I do?
Speaker 1: And one day me and my brother I was probably
Speaker 1: fourteen or fifteen, fifteen years old. Me and my brother Carry,
Speaker 1: he's older than me, We're hanging out around this picnic
Speaker 1: table in my dad's shop. He had a picnic table
Speaker 1: and where all the gossip went on. And he threw
Speaker 1: down this newspaper and it was a Charlotte Observer sports
Speaker 1: page and they had this picture of this guy with
Speaker 1: this street stock car. And my dad said, you always
Speaker 1: to read this article. And it was about a news
Speaker 1: series they were starting at a track and called Concord
Speaker 1: Motor Speedway. It was about thirty minutes up the road.
Speaker 1: All we had to do was go get a streets
Speaker 1: a car out of the junk yard and put a
Speaker 1: roll cage in it and we could race. And so
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, well that's the roge. It's I mean,
Speaker 1: all these years I'm thinking like I couldn't crack the code.
Speaker 1: It was this complicated, impossible thing. And Dad just said,
Speaker 1: Dar's answer, do that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what, why do you think it was
Speaker 3: like cracking the code? If you like you said at
Speaker 3: the son of a legend, And I like, obviously, what
Speaker 3: do you can say whatever you want about yourself. You're
Speaker 3: obviously a very humble guy what you've done for the sport.
Speaker 3: Also thought Earnhardt family is and that's very cool, and
Speaker 3: you're a very humble guy.
Speaker 2: But like, what did it?
Speaker 3: Why did it seem so difficult for you to get
Speaker 3: in it? Knowing that your dad was who he was.
Speaker 3: You were one of those kids that was like I
Speaker 3: can get in there because I'm you know.
Speaker 2: My jad, or like why isn't he showing me where
Speaker 2: some of these races are?
Speaker 1: He ob something sounds just put the paper down. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's just do that. Then Dad, Dad would always say
Speaker 1: I know, he would just say like, I wouldn't talking.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't always like in his uh, I wouldn't always
Speaker 1: going hey what do I do? How?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: I was just I wouldn't. I wouldn't with it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I was just going to school and trying
Speaker 1: to get seas and going home and doing whatever my
Speaker 1: friends are doing. And I loved racing, but I didn't
Speaker 1: maybe show it as much as he wanted me to.
Speaker 1: And he would always say, you need to show some initiative,
Speaker 1: and he used initial you do of all like that
Speaker 1: was the word. You need to be determined to show
Speaker 1: some initiative, showing no initiative and uh like, what.
Speaker 2: Does that mean?
Speaker 1: When? What about? How do I show you initiative?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: What does that even mean to you? And he's like,
Speaker 1: uh if when I was your age, I was I
Speaker 1: was in a shop, sweping the floor. I was cleaning
Speaker 1: tools up, putting them back in the tool box. Classic.
Speaker 3: Then I'm like, sucks, that sounds sucky, don't sound fun?
Speaker 3: How that's a long ways from driving? Driving's up here
Speaker 3: sweeping the floors like way down question? And I got
Speaker 3: to go all the way through that product, like what
Speaker 3: all the things that have to happen before I finally
Speaker 3: get to drive?
Speaker 1: You know, it just seemed like it was so far away,
Speaker 1: and he was less than uh impressed, you know with
Speaker 1: my initiative and my uh my passion for it. Right,
Speaker 1: I wasn't outwardly expressing that to him, and he didn't
Speaker 1: I think that I really was even into it. And
Speaker 1: he's like, I'm not wasting my time unless you start
Speaker 1: showing me that you're into it. And he made it
Speaker 1: sound like, well, you got to do all this other
Speaker 1: stuff before you ever get to drive. And I'm like, wow,
Speaker 1: I go, I'm never gonna get it, never gonna get there.
Speaker 1: Just he just made it seem like it was a
Speaker 1: hard it was impossible thing.
Speaker 3: Sounds like a mister Migi type of thing, final complaining
Speaker 3: you show me wax sound.
Speaker 2: It seems like one of those like classic tough nosed
Speaker 2: dads that were kind of like hard to please, Like
Speaker 2: there was always that tough love with the with the
Speaker 2: son and the dad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was, uh, he was pretty tough and that
Speaker 1: he you know, his nickname at the racetrack was the
Speaker 1: Intimidator and he was absolutely terrifying you know, at home.
Speaker 1: And I mean, I remember h I said, I dropped.
Speaker 1: I said, either I said the word ship or I
Speaker 1: dropped an F bomb at my buddy's house. I thought
Speaker 1: it was just me and him and I'm playing. I'm
Speaker 1: playing on this. He had this wicked little video game
Speaker 1: machine like before Nintendo, and uh, I was playing this
Speaker 1: little football game on it, and something happened. I said,
Speaker 1: I said shit or if bomb or something. And his
Speaker 1: dad happened to be walking in the front door and
Speaker 1: he looked at me and he goes, you need to
Speaker 1: get home, and I was like, yes, sir, And so
Speaker 1: I went home. And a couple hours later, Dad comes
Speaker 1: pulling in and uh this this uh my buddy up
Speaker 1: the road that his dad and my dad were great
Speaker 1: friends too. Well, he had told dad what all went down.
Speaker 1: Dad comes walking in the bedroom already pulling the belt off,
Speaker 1: not even and I'm looking at the door and he's
Speaker 1: getting He's had the way, the room out, the rooms
Speaker 1: laid out, He's kind of got there's a point to
Speaker 1: where where on his way to me, I can get
Speaker 1: to the door, and which is only going to make
Speaker 1: it so much worse.
Speaker 2: I got.
Speaker 1: I got to the door and out the front, out
Speaker 1: down the hall and out the front door, across the
Speaker 1: front yard, across the street and out into this hay
Speaker 1: field and and over this erosion ditch and dove in
Speaker 1: the ditch and just laid there for like six hours.
Speaker 1: I picked over, I picked I picked over that ditch
Speaker 1: and I'm like, he's he come out the front door
Speaker 1: and he's looking around. He goes back inside, and I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: I ain't getting no whooping today, yeah, not having tomorrow?
Speaker 1: Not today? And uh because I mean, you know, he
Speaker 1: was that kind of dad. You know that belt he didn't.
Speaker 1: I got a few whoopings, not many, but when that
Speaker 1: belt come off and he was on, he was so upset.
Speaker 2: What happened when you got back home?
Speaker 1: Nothing no whooping? Like yeah, and I don't I think.
Speaker 1: I don't think I ever got one after that, you know,
Speaker 1: but you know there was I remember the whoops yeah right,
Speaker 1: There weren't many, but the ones I got, I remember them,
Speaker 1: and I know exactly what I did wrong. I'll never
Speaker 1: forget that stuff, right, And uh, imagine getting getting a
Speaker 1: belt from Dale Earnhardt.
Speaker 3: That's that's awesome. So when you went back in the house,
Speaker 3: what was his He's like, Hey, how's going have some supper?
Speaker 3: Let's sit down, or what's the deal?
Speaker 2: He he was, he was.
Speaker 1: We had a conversation about the word I used and
Speaker 1: and how do I how how I need to behave
Speaker 1: and and that I better not make that mistake again.
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, Yes, any kids listening, all you run out
Speaker 2: the front door laying your old man cool off, and
Speaker 2: it's gonna be I got a story like that, but
Speaker 2: it's stilling it up at the end. Yeah, like hours
Speaker 2: after and he was waiting for me, like all right,
Speaker 2: well we're gonna do this. You gotta.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know why, but I hold hold some
Speaker 1: guilt for making that escape.
Speaker 2: But I had. I just had to do it.
Speaker 1: Why do you think you hold guilt from it? I
Speaker 1: don't know why. I feel like I didn't get what
Speaker 1: I deserved kind of thing. I don't know what, like
Speaker 1: I skipped out on a on a on a deserved punishment,
Speaker 1: you know, and I never And I think that's why
Speaker 1: I remember that story is because I feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: but you know, it is what it is.
Speaker 3: I didn't want it, Yeah, I didn't want it, no question.
Speaker 3: It seems like you got exactly like you learned a
Speaker 3: huge lesson.
Speaker 1: That out right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It didn't take any comments for you to get in
Speaker 1: your head to that that specific story.
Speaker 2: Did Joe Rogan pod This is probably like a couple
Speaker 2: of years ago. Yeah, I remember you're talking about like
Speaker 2: a buck a shit story. There's like a bucket of something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, yeah, I was so talking to you know
Speaker 1: when I'm talking when I'm talking about not showing my
Speaker 1: dad initiative, so you know, to be clear, like around
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty, around nineteen ninety seven, ninety eight, I I
Speaker 1: think that I started to do the things that he
Speaker 1: hoped I would do in terms of making him proud. Right,
Speaker 1: every parent, every parent wants their kid to rise to
Speaker 1: the occasion, excel in whatever it is they love, right,
Speaker 1: And I wasn't doing none of that. And I was
Speaker 1: a c stude. I hate cutting up.
Speaker 3: But what were you doing at the time, Like, if
Speaker 3: you were so into racing, will you just kind of
Speaker 3: hang out with your buddies and doing whatever?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Me and my buddies walked around the neighborhoods shooting
Speaker 1: birds would be begun and being it's right, And uh,
Speaker 1: I played video games and didn't want you know, I
Speaker 1: did want to go hang out with him. I did
Speaker 1: want to go to the shop. But when I went
Speaker 1: to the shop, I hung out with my buddy down
Speaker 1: the street and we got in trouble. Right, we went
Speaker 1: to the dairy queen or running. We didn't I didn't
Speaker 1: mess with cars I wouldn't sweeping the floor cleaning the tools.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: And so now if he wanted me to go to
Speaker 1: the race, I love that. But when I got there,
Speaker 1: I'd take off and go hang out my buddy. And
Speaker 1: when I was gonna go eat some junk food or
Speaker 1: cheeseburger or you know, and he'd never see me. I
Speaker 1: was having fun, you know. And he wanted me to
Speaker 1: be interested in the cars, be interested in learning how
Speaker 1: to work on them, get get, seize any opportunity I
Speaker 1: took I could to work on him to learn about them.
Speaker 1: And I was just not doing that. And uh, I
Speaker 1: was just a decent student in school, really not even decent.
Speaker 2: And uh.
Speaker 1: I wasn't an athlete. I was. I had no achievement none,
Speaker 1: you know, year on year on year on of just
Speaker 1: not getting anywhere. And I used to draw a lot,
Speaker 1: and I used to draw race cars a lot. And
Speaker 1: I think that he and my stepmom Teresa, thought that, man,
Speaker 1: maybe he's into being an artist or something. So they
Speaker 1: so this is kind of they. I came home from
Speaker 1: school one day and I walked into my bedroom and
Speaker 1: there was a bunch of art stuff, like papers and
Speaker 1: pens and all the things. Right, if you were going
Speaker 1: to go to college, right, they had all the stuff,
Speaker 1: they bought it, and I'm like, what is this? And
Speaker 1: they're like, well, we thought you might want to. We
Speaker 1: think we would encourage you to go to uh this
Speaker 1: art school. It's a local school, and we think you
Speaker 1: really enjoy it. You know, we don't know what you're
Speaker 1: thinking about when you graduate from high school, where you're
Speaker 1: gonna go what you want to do, but maybe maybe
Speaker 1: this is it. I'm like, hell, no, I don't want
Speaker 1: to be an artist. What gave you all that opinion?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: I want to race? Man? Like, where is what the hell?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And uh, anyways, finally, finally, you know, I started to
Speaker 1: do well and actually, you know, starting to get some
Speaker 1: races where I ran pretty good. And then Dad came around,
Speaker 1: you know, and he me and him started having conversations
Speaker 1: where he was less preachy. Uh, he was less disappointed that, yeah,
Speaker 1: and it was more like, so what happened in the
Speaker 1: corner down there and you spun out? Did you realize
Speaker 1: what you needed to do there? You know, kind of
Speaker 1: those things where we're starting to tutor and talk and
Speaker 1: I'm learning and that's very cool. That must have been
Speaker 1: a really cool, like like for you to see that development.
Speaker 2: For sure.
Speaker 1: I went down to Myrtle Beach and I was racing,
Speaker 1: and I would I would the same guy for like
Speaker 1: three weeks in a row. I would get underneath him,
Speaker 1: and the guy didn't care if he was if he
Speaker 1: had a car underneath him. He was still coming down
Speaker 1: to go into the corner to the bottom, and he
Speaker 1: cuts you off over and over and over. And that
Speaker 1: was the way race. We didn't even get mad. Hold
Speaker 1: the rest of the people that race there were like,
Speaker 1: that's the way ed races. Just be ready. If you're
Speaker 1: gonna pass him, you better be up to his door
Speaker 1: beside when you get in the corner or he's coming down.
Speaker 1: And so every time I would get underneath him, he'd
Speaker 1: come down and I'd spin out, and I'm like, I
Speaker 1: don't know what to do. I cannot pass this guy.
Speaker 1: And I keep spinning out, and my Dad's like, all right,
Speaker 1: he's not going to my races. And Dad didn't go
Speaker 1: to my races, but I would tell him about it,
Speaker 1: and he's like, next time he comes down, as soon
Speaker 1: as y'all are about to have contact, slam on the
Speaker 1: brakes and it plants the nose of your car and
Speaker 1: keep the wheel straight. Don't turn the wheel and it'll
Speaker 1: spin him out.
Speaker 2: And damn it.
Speaker 1: I mean literally, I'm in the same situation the next weekend,
Speaker 1: and I did that thing and it worked the way
Speaker 1: Dad said it would work. And so, I mean, from
Speaker 1: that moment on, we started having, you know, the conversations
Speaker 1: I wanted to have, you know, with him my whole life,
Speaker 1: instead of just hearing about how much trouble I was in,
Speaker 1: or how I pissed him off about this or that
Speaker 1: and the other, how I needed to do this better
Speaker 1: or be excited.
Speaker 3: Were you to tell about that situation once he did
Speaker 3: it pretty excited? Ye man, Yeah, that's pretty cool.
Speaker 2: It was good.
Speaker 1: It was good I had. There was a lot of
Speaker 1: little moments like that in early in my career when
Speaker 1: when I wasn't just his son, you know, because when
Speaker 1: I when Dad, when I when I was around my dad,
Speaker 1: it was at the shop or at the farm, all
Speaker 1: that's kind of the same place. And he always had
Speaker 1: his guys around, his buddies, the employees or whatever, and
Speaker 1: they were always, you know, five o'clock, everybody met at
Speaker 1: the picnic table and they drank beer and then they're
Speaker 1: going to go right around the farm and look at
Speaker 1: deer and just talk and bs. And I was just
Speaker 1: always the son, right, I was just always tagging along,
Speaker 1: and I wasn't in the conversations and I wasn't They
Speaker 1: weren't asking me any questions what I thought about this
Speaker 1: or what I thought about that. I was just there
Speaker 1: keeping mouth shut. I'm talking to about unless somebody talks
Speaker 1: to you kind of thing. But then it changed when
Speaker 1: I started racing better.
Speaker 3: We did you understand that naturally or we were told
Speaker 3: that at one point that you were like, hey, you're
Speaker 3: not don't really talk unless it's just.
Speaker 2: Listen.
Speaker 1: It's kind of it can be like that sometimes, like
Speaker 1: it's a look your parents or your dad gives you,
Speaker 1: you know, you know not to just say, you know,
Speaker 1: you didn't get to you didn't get too full of yourself.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, yo.
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Speaker 2: like you feel like like winning, Like in your mind,
Speaker 2: like you're thinking, all right, like I know I can
Speaker 2: be a good racer, Like and once I win, I'll
Speaker 2: start getting like, you know, maybe the old man will
Speaker 2: start noticing and we'll start having that relation. Was that
Speaker 2: something that was kind of like a motivator to earn
Speaker 2: that or like like finally now I'm gonna get a
Speaker 2: relationship with my old man because I'm winning that.
Speaker 1: I started well, I started seeing the racing creating that relationship,
Speaker 1: and so I wanted to do whatever I could do
Speaker 1: to get more of that relationship from him, right, And
Speaker 1: so I started, you know we you know, winning and
Speaker 1: all those things were not to be so cliche, but
Speaker 1: I wanted him to be proud and happy. That was
Speaker 1: way more than important than a trophy or or anyone
Speaker 1: else patting my back, right, And so he was absolutely
Speaker 1: the main motivation for me early in my career. You know,
Speaker 1: when he passed, that was gone. I mean it was gone,
Speaker 1: and I had to figure out another thing to motivate me, right,
Speaker 1: I had to find other things that got me out
Speaker 1: of bed and got me fired up about racing. But
Speaker 1: for the longest time, it was trying to impress him. Man.
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy has done everything. He's won all
Speaker 1: these championships, and he's hard to impress. Yeah, and you're
Speaker 1: doing the very thing that he's the best at. You
Speaker 1: can't do, really, what can you do that he's never
Speaker 1: seen or thinks it's cool?
Speaker 2: Right, But everybody thinks like, oh, your down's sign, Like
Speaker 2: you don't thinks he's awesome. And see.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so there's a there's a big feeling of like
Speaker 3: did you feel like you were in his shadow your
Speaker 3: whole life.
Speaker 1: Mhm, No, I didn't. I I always read about that.
Speaker 1: I always seen that written, you know, and uh, I
Speaker 1: always I felt I felt like other people saw me
Speaker 1: in his shadow. But if I was, it was a
Speaker 1: hell of a place to be. Yeah, it was. Yeah, No, lie,
Speaker 1: like I understand, and I'm I'm first admit like being
Speaker 1: his son opened tons of doors wide open and made
Speaker 1: a lot of challenges for for an average guy trying
Speaker 1: to get in a sport much easier for me, and
Speaker 1: already I had like a built in fan base before
Speaker 1: I ever accomplished anything on the track with my last name. People,
Speaker 1: they were expectations, but they also would support uh that
Speaker 1: that I hadn't earned at that point. Yeah, so the benefits, yeah,
Speaker 1: were way better than what negatives came with it. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: I sid know.
Speaker 3: I mean when you go into i've never this has
Speaker 3: never been a situation for me, right, My dad didn't
Speaker 3: play football or anything like that, so I never had
Speaker 3: to like felt the need to overcome or impress him
Speaker 3: that way. My dad played college ball for a second.
Speaker 3: But I mean when you spend your whole life kind
Speaker 3: of feeling out like how can I get dad to
Speaker 3: notice how good I'm doing it.
Speaker 1: These things.
Speaker 3: I didn't know if once you got into NASCAR, if
Speaker 3: it was like, I don't know this, this thought of
Speaker 3: like I want to make did you ever want to
Speaker 3: up him?
Speaker 1: Did you ever want to beat him?
Speaker 3: And that's that shadow is a tough word to use
Speaker 3: because it sounds like, I don't know if it sounds negative,
Speaker 3: but I'm saying like, once you're in that thing with him,
Speaker 3: there there was no like that's dad, Dad's gotta went
Speaker 3: like you wanted to beat your dad.
Speaker 1: We went to Japan. I had raced in the the
Speaker 1: Exfinity Series, which is kind of like college level or
Speaker 1: it's it's like Triple A and the next Steps to
Speaker 1: Cup series, where Dad's at. I won the championship, and
Speaker 1: so I got an invitation to race in an exhibition
Speaker 1: in Japan with Cup racers and Dad, and it would
Speaker 1: be the first time I'd ever be on the track
Speaker 1: with him. And when I got to Japan, we flew
Speaker 1: all the way over there and I'm sitting on Pitt
Speaker 1: Road and I'm waiting on Dad because I want to
Speaker 1: follow him out on the track because I'd never seen him.
Speaker 1: From that vantage point, it was like following. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't like to compare him to other
Speaker 1: other icons because I don't know how people feel about it.
Speaker 1: But it's like walking behind Muhammad Ali as he goes
Speaker 1: to the ring right climbs in. You know, that's a
Speaker 1: hell of advantage point that a lot of people would
Speaker 1: love to have being in a in the ring when
Speaker 1: Rick Flair climbed into it, right, being able to see
Speaker 1: that moment when he climbs in with that robe on
Speaker 1: at you know, at a big event across some dusty roads, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, just that moment of that energy. So I
Speaker 1: know it was just practice, but I'm I'm never seen
Speaker 1: the Black three car. I've never seen the Intimiday or
Speaker 1: Dylan her I've never looked at my windshield and seen
Speaker 1: it right raced against all these other guys. And so
Speaker 1: I remember that he pulls out on the track and
Speaker 1: I followed him out there, and I mean, I'm doing nothing.
Speaker 1: I'm like, not in game mode. I'm not in focus
Speaker 1: of what my car is doing. I'm just like, I
Speaker 1: can't believe that it's him.
Speaker 2: I'm kind of smiling.
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe he was in there steering that car.
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it. And then two days later, like
Speaker 1: we practiced qualify. Two days later, in the race, we're running,
Speaker 1: We're bad indoors and I'm pissing him off and he's mad.
Speaker 1: So a little extra froom too when he got to him.
Speaker 1: So this is how it kind of worked out. We
Speaker 1: I ran really good and he he ran like sixth
Speaker 1: to eighth the whole day. It's an exhibition, and he's
Speaker 1: just kind of going through the motions. He didn't have
Speaker 1: a great car and he knew it, and he's just
Speaker 1: kind of like, Hey, we're here to put on a show,
Speaker 1: and it is what it is, right. I'm like, hell no, man,
Speaker 1: I'm here to win. Willed this car to victory, right,
Speaker 1: and this is my chance, and so I'm raising my
Speaker 1: guts out way over my head. But I got up
Speaker 1: toward the front and got up the second at one
Speaker 1: point and I bounced off the wall being too crazy.
Speaker 1: And anyways, late in the race, we're both running around
Speaker 1: fifth and sixth and we had a caution and I
Speaker 1: had a chance. Everybody has a chance to come on.
Speaker 1: Put a set of tires and it's a little bit
Speaker 1: faster with new tires, and I said to my crea chief,
Speaker 1: Tony Junior, my cousin. He's my cousin too, about a
Speaker 1: year apart, really close, and uh I said, hey, man,
Speaker 1: I wanna cous come get tires and see what happens.
Speaker 1: We ain't gonna we're gonna win like this. Let's put
Speaker 1: some tires on and see what happens. So he's like,
Speaker 1: all right, we ain't got no tires, but your dad's
Speaker 1: got to sit in his pit. I'll see if I
Speaker 1: can get them. So our pits are side by side, Yeah,
Speaker 1: side by side. It wouldn't be an issue if he
Speaker 1: gave it to you or not. Our pits are together, right.
Speaker 1: We have teammates, right, we got the same sponsor. It's
Speaker 1: this coke we had this Coca cola reduction thing. We
Speaker 1: went to the we did the photo shoots together. We're
Speaker 1: like this team, right, And so Tony Junior's on the
Speaker 1: pit box and he's like, hey to Richard Childers, whose
Speaker 1: dad's carling, And he's like, y'all gonna have pit and
Speaker 1: get them tires. Richard's like, we ain't coming. Then, ain't coming.
Speaker 1: He's just gonna finish this out. Yeah, Well we're gonna pit.
Speaker 1: You might if we have those tires, take them, no problem. Okay,
Speaker 1: here we come, try on down pit road, put them on.
Speaker 1: Dad don't know what all this is going on, and
Speaker 1: I don't even know where the tires come from. I
Speaker 1: just come down pit road and get tires.
Speaker 3: And so.
Speaker 1: I go back on the track and I lined up
Speaker 1: like tenth and there's a real short five lap sprint
Speaker 1: to the end, and it's you gotta go. It's you
Speaker 1: can't lift, you can't take, you can't check up for something. Uh,
Speaker 1: you gotta go? What does check up?
Speaker 3: Men?
Speaker 2: You can't lift.
Speaker 1: If it's something happening in front of you, and you
Speaker 1: check up off the gas or lift off the throttle,
Speaker 1: you it'll take you another lap to build up your momentum.
Speaker 1: And it's a lap that's gone. And if with five
Speaker 1: of that, with five laps to go, you just don't
Speaker 1: have time to be waiting on things to happen in
Speaker 1: front of you. You just try to make gup. Just
Speaker 1: go for it, right. So the so the green flag
Speaker 1: drops and I gotta I got things happening. I'm passing
Speaker 1: a couple of cars and I get to Dad really quickly.
Speaker 1: I get up beside him, down the back straight away
Speaker 1: and we go into turn three and four and I'm
Speaker 1: going by him. I have the faster car, the new tires.
Speaker 1: He saw me coming, he knows I'm quicker. And we're
Speaker 1: coming up off a turn four and he's he's hanging
Speaker 1: on my right rear qorder panel as we're coming off
Speaker 1: the corner. And traditionally, in a situation like that, you
Speaker 1: want the guy. You want the guy that's in Dad's
Speaker 1: position to just let you go. You're faster, you're coming through.
Speaker 1: But if he stays there, I can't really finish the corner.
Speaker 1: I can't get all the gas down. It's gonna slow
Speaker 1: me down. On the straightaway, we're gonna run down the
Speaker 1: next straightaway side beside when I could be trying to
Speaker 1: pass the next car. It was gonna hold me up.
Speaker 3: And and so I.
Speaker 1: Squeezed him into the wall and and we hit, and
Speaker 1: his nose slid up under my bumper, and now he
Speaker 1: has me in a bad position and he knows it.
Speaker 1: And so he's picked my rear tires off the ground
Speaker 1: and he's steering my car like a forklift down the straightaway.
Speaker 1: He could have just let you go. He should have
Speaker 1: let me go. Should have or could have. He could have,
Speaker 1: but he but he didn't. He's like he's like, he's like,
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, you only You're like you only got
Speaker 1: an inch on me, and you could just let me
Speaker 1: go and I could be on my way. And we
Speaker 1: bang and then he's got me lifted up off the
Speaker 1: ground and he's turned me sideways down the straight ofa way.
Speaker 1: My car's doing this to the flagstand and he lifted
Speaker 1: and let me go. He was mad, right, and so
Speaker 1: but I thought it was over.
Speaker 2: I go on.
Speaker 1: I passed another car to and finished like fifth or something,
Speaker 1: and uh, he's eight these a couple of spots back.
Speaker 1: So the race is over. And I'm like, that was badass.
Speaker 1: And I beat my dad, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And he knows I beam.
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 1: This ship just happened, right, And so it was really cold.
Speaker 1: But I remember they had, uh it was in the
Speaker 1: middle of the winter. They had they had inside the
Speaker 1: track these little rented cubicles like trailers like you see
Speaker 1: on job sites, and each driver our team had one
Speaker 1: and me and Dad were sharing one. I go into
Speaker 1: the one that we have. It's cold as hell outside.
Speaker 1: I go in there and I'm gonna change clothes. And
Speaker 1: I sit down and I'm changing clothes and there's this
Speaker 1: big fold folding leg table in front of me, and
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there and I'm pulling off my shoes and
Speaker 1: my taking my taking my uniform down. And Dad comes
Speaker 1: in and sits down, and I just look at him,
Speaker 1: and he isn't making eye contact with me, and I
Speaker 1: know he's not. He's bad. I look at him and
Speaker 1: he's bending over and pulling his shoe off, and I
Speaker 1: go and so as soon as I look down, he
Speaker 1: threw his shoe as hard as he could and it
Speaker 1: went right over my head as I lean been down
Speaker 1: to get get one of my shoes off. If I
Speaker 1: hadn't a bent down, it'll hit me. It hit the
Speaker 1: ball behind me. It was like pow. And I looked
Speaker 1: back up and he was bending down to get the
Speaker 1: other shoe, and somebody opens the door and says, hey, Junior,
Speaker 1: they need it, they need you out here for an interview.
Speaker 1: And I'm like thanks, I'm going.
Speaker 2: He's the front door. Back from childhood. I'm looking.
Speaker 3: We we never talked about it, and you about it
Speaker 3: really never talked sounds like your father really didn't say
Speaker 3: a whole lot intimidator.
Speaker 1: This like was like a cave man. Yes, sir, absolutely
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Speaker 1: We had run ins after that on the racetrack. We
Speaker 1: were at Bristol one day. Uh, it's my first Cup
Speaker 1: race at Bristol in two thousand. Bristol is a high
Speaker 1: bank concrete, a half mile track and you run there
Speaker 1: about fifteen sixteen second laps, silly fast, and it's wild
Speaker 1: to race. And so I just knew. I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tear up a bunch of stuff today. This is
Speaker 1: just gonna happen. There's no bunch stuff on you.
Speaker 2: You're in a mess.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna right my car. This is a five hundred
Speaker 1: mile race and this time bull ring, and I'm young
Speaker 1: and dumb. Yeah, I'm gonna make a bunch of mistakes.
Speaker 1: Take We're just Bobby out there. I just want to
Speaker 1: go fast, get after it. Just how much do you
Speaker 1: hit do you love that movie or hate it? Sorry,
Speaker 1: I like it.
Speaker 2: You like it?
Speaker 1: I got a story about that, all right, stories for days.
Speaker 3: Baby, You're the best you ever. It's like I'm sitting here,
Speaker 3: I'm really just enjoying your company. I wish there was
Speaker 3: a fire.
Speaker 2: Pit right here. We're like smiling as it's going.
Speaker 1: I guess it's over. Yeah, one hundred percent. Sometimes you
Speaker 1: get guys on here.
Speaker 2: Look at each other and talking.
Speaker 1: Hopefully the guy comes into it like three word answers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're like, all right, well this is going downhill fast,
Speaker 1: but no, sorry, I keep going. I don't want to
Speaker 1: kill your loving every second of this. We're Bristol and
Speaker 1: I qualified in front of Dad, and uh beside me
Speaker 1: is a friend named Elliott Sadler and he's on the
Speaker 1: inside and I'm on the outside and Dad's behind us. Well,
Speaker 1: me and Elliot are talking just about getting our cars.
Speaker 1: Dad walks up and goes, all right, boys, bristles stuff
Speaker 1: long race tds now, don't taste stuff. You can wreck
Speaker 1: your stuff early long day. Like yes, sir, I mean
Speaker 1: I still think in my head I hear you, but
Speaker 1: I am totally gonna ruin this. You knew you were
Speaker 1: conscious of the chaos, I was about to go down,
Speaker 1: and so all right, first lap, we're going down into
Speaker 1: turn green flag comes out. We're running about three or
Speaker 1: four corners and we go into turn one and Dad
Speaker 1: runs in the back of Elliott Saler. Elliott Saler gets
Speaker 1: loose and like sideways over corrects up the racetrack right
Speaker 1: into me. Wow, me and Elli goes smashing into the wall.
Speaker 1: Race is over for me and that's his fault, right,
Speaker 1: So so you got the boot when he's coming back
Speaker 1: in to come down, Well, they drag me and Elliott's
Speaker 1: cars into the garage and my team goes to work
Speaker 1: on my car. We end up fixing it, and we
Speaker 1: fix it and repair it and we go back out
Speaker 1: and we're like one hundred laps down, like all these
Speaker 1: laps have passed right as we're working on our stuff.
Speaker 1: First time Dad comes by I turn. He comes by me,
Speaker 1: and I just turned the wheel to the right and
Speaker 1: just lay like lay my right front tire all down
Speaker 1: the side of his car.
Speaker 3: He's going by and he sent a message watching this,
Speaker 3: spatting family members getting.
Speaker 1: After he sends this message, like tell him to cut
Speaker 1: it out. He's going to find another driver, but he
Speaker 1: sent his he sent a message via his team to
Speaker 1: my team to tell me to stop it, to get
Speaker 1: a telephone. Yeah, they can tell you whatever they want.
Speaker 1: And so, but we had we had other moments kind
Speaker 1: of like that. But I mean, you know when the
Speaker 1: funny thing about it being in a race car is that,
Speaker 1: you know, the the race car turns into for lack
Speaker 1: of a better word, a bit of a weapon. Sometimes
Speaker 1: you get so angry and you're like, I can take
Speaker 1: this car and run into your car. That's sounds I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do that. You know, before you you have such
Speaker 1: a thought to you know, before you have a moment
Speaker 1: to think twice about it and calm the hell down.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you do that on the race track, and even
Speaker 1: if it's your own dad, you know, like you did
Speaker 1: this to me?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Hunter laughs, down doesn't doesn't where was seeing the
Speaker 3: race when he's like running top ten, cruising hawks.
Speaker 1: He's out there cruising like, hey man, sorry, but I've
Speaker 1: already forgot.
Speaker 2: Yeah what happened? That's aside from your dad. Have you
Speaker 2: ever gotten that like mental to where you're like, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna I'm gonna wreck this car. Another guy right, like
Speaker 2: a different guy a different person. Yes, it happened.
Speaker 1: I yeah, Kyle b Yeah the rivalry.
Speaker 2: Is this a known rivalry that you're talking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Kyle and me were really big rivals at
Speaker 1: this particular point in my career, and he, uh, what
Speaker 1: point is this two thousand and eight and.
Speaker 3: You guys are you guys are big rivals? Is it
Speaker 3: a dislike rivalry or is it like, hey, we'll we're
Speaker 3: on the.
Speaker 1: Track all we don't like them. I don't like them.
Speaker 1: Zach was probably back there like you're an idiot, Taylor,
Speaker 1: like you have no idea. So he's he was, he
Speaker 1: was like we he was just we just didn't like
Speaker 1: each other. And so this was there an incident at
Speaker 1: the bar.
Speaker 2: Y Bobby.
Speaker 1: Trying to make you say something like that. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So first off, let me tell the
Speaker 1: Ricky Bobby store.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I love to hear it.
Speaker 1: All right, Ricky Bobby and tallading Ice comes out or
Speaker 1: it's coming out right, and we're gonna get to see
Speaker 1: it before it goes to theaters. And uh, we're in
Speaker 1: Sonoma racing in California and they're like, yeah, you're gonna
Speaker 1: go over to what's the name of that place George
Speaker 1: Lucas's Ranch Star Wars Skywalker runt. You're gonna go over
Speaker 1: to the ranch and watch it. And we're like, damn,
Speaker 1: I'm all right, so that's cool. What does that mean?
Speaker 3: So we drive in and it's beautiful, and it's just
Speaker 3: all the guys are going there, my team, Yeah, because
Speaker 3: you were were you in the movie?
Speaker 2: You?
Speaker 1: I had a little tiny thing, Yeah, a little for
Speaker 1: an autograph?
Speaker 2: Right? How was that?
Speaker 1: How many times five? Really?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: It wasn't that mean professional? Yeah? I like that that
Speaker 1: or we just weren't gonna get any better. Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: getting progressively worse for these take Okay, let's just shut
Speaker 1: it down. So you know, we're driving into this place
Speaker 1: and and and they're like, yeah, he makes it. They
Speaker 1: they make movies here. There's a bunch of movies. So
Speaker 1: we're walking in the building and there's all these movie theaters,
Speaker 1: and there's all these little rooms of for editing, and
Speaker 1: and they they basically sit there and watch the They
Speaker 1: work on these films from the point of view of
Speaker 1: the of the movie goer, right, and so they're editing
Speaker 1: and creating these films in that atmosphere of a movie theater.
Speaker 1: And uh, which was really cool, was a big complex
Speaker 1: you you would would you might imagine they're sitting in
Speaker 1: front of a computer in an office right editing this film,
Speaker 1: but at some point they actually get into a movie
Speaker 1: theater and complete the editing process or whatever and do
Speaker 1: all the audio and all that. So anyways, it's really neat.
Speaker 1: And we sit down in this one theater and there's
Speaker 1: probably about thirty seats in it, and probably about ten
Speaker 1: rows of seats, and uh, maybe there's more more than
Speaker 1: thirty seats, but it just was a small, miniature sort
Speaker 1: of sized theater room. And we sit down and I
Speaker 1: choose a seat sort of in the middle. There's on
Speaker 1: the front, the front of the theater guy, you're back
Speaker 1: of the theater guy. Middle. Oh, if up, there's better, back,
Speaker 1: there's better. I'm just gonna be right in the center.
Speaker 1: And there's only about twelve of us. We're not we're
Speaker 1: only about ten percent of the seats in this thing, right,
Speaker 1: so a lot of empty seats and right and right,
Speaker 1: and we're sitting there waiting, you know, and right before
Speaker 1: the thing comes on, George Lucas comes and sits.
Speaker 2: Down behind me and all right on being chill Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was one shock to see him, right, and and
Speaker 1: had never thought I'd ever meet the guy. But what
Speaker 1: is he doing watching Telene Nights right?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Exactly? Why does he care to watch this movie?
Speaker 3: There's millions of movies can be like, yeah, but uh,
Speaker 3: and I'm watching I'm kind of sad and I'm like,
Speaker 3: and he's chuckling at that.
Speaker 1: That's pretty up. I think that's funny too. After this,
Speaker 1: we could talk about the movie and he's not even
Speaker 1: like listening to the movie.
Speaker 2: He's just listening.
Speaker 1: Damn. He thinks this is good. I think he's good too.
Speaker 1: I mean I like it, but now he likes it.
Speaker 1: It was weird, man, but it was uh and he uh,
Speaker 1: you know, after everything was done, you know, he was
Speaker 1: very nice to everybody. Hey, yes, thank you for coming.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's always cool.
Speaker 1: So it sounds like that's an awesome, insane that is
Speaker 1: so bad.
Speaker 2: That you get to see like a like a Yoda
Speaker 2: like figure.
Speaker 1: None of that was happening.
Speaker 2: There was no just hasn't just with the Skywalker rant,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, you don't know if like
Speaker 2: the actual Star Wars actual Star I'm talking about just
Speaker 2: to figure sitting there. It's not like, yeah, no, Yoda's
Speaker 2: not a real thing, a real being.
Speaker 1: I'm aware. I was trying to help you be aware
Speaker 1: of that. I don't know if you had a thing.
Speaker 2: No, I know how you are.
Speaker 3: But your Star Wars, yeah, I wish there was Star Wars.
Speaker 3: But I'm sharing the enthusiasm with both of.
Speaker 1: You, right, Yeah, I'm not a massive fan, but I
Speaker 1: know him. Yeah he is, well, I know, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3: Being a filmmaker's got to be one of the most
Speaker 3: difficult jobs to do because you're literally praying that people
Speaker 3: like it. And if it's like your hopes and dreams
Speaker 3: are on other people's opinions, God, that's got to be
Speaker 3: a tough li And when.
Speaker 2: You're like making a certain decision that you might think
Speaker 2: is cool for seeing, you might have just one opinion
Speaker 2: next to you, like say, say I'm making something I'll
Speaker 2: make I think it's dope, and I'm like, hey, what
Speaker 2: are you thinking that. You're like, yeah, but maybe this
Speaker 2: and your one opinions like, oh man, maybe maybe everyone
Speaker 2: feels that way. Yeah, And then you changed. You're like, well,
Speaker 2: I was gonna do this. Everybody's like, oh, you should
Speaker 2: have kept it that way.
Speaker 1: You're like, fuck, you are you quitting Tarantina fan? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: well he just did it.
Speaker 3: Just said a pop with Rogan. They were talking about
Speaker 3: a specific true romance. Yeah, yeah, true not true romances
Speaker 3: of our dogs. Yeah, the torture scene in that have
Speaker 3: you seen that movie?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 3: And then the scene where he cuts the guy's ear
Speaker 3: off and stuff like that, and Quentin was like, this
Speaker 3: is happening, and a couple guys were like, hey, listen,
Speaker 3: if you put this scene in the movie, you put
Speaker 3: your margin for the people that are going to come
Speaker 3: watch it, because it was like after.
Speaker 2: Like the eighties or not like some decade like the eighties.
Speaker 1: It's always a superhero.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah that was a good is it?
Speaker 1: I have listened the whole thing?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Big fan Charles like, who is this talking?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 2: It's Quink Tarantino.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is my favorite director. Yeah by far. Sorry sorry, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a good movie. Yeah, good movie.
Speaker 2: He makes a lot of good What story were we
Speaker 2: headed to before the Kyle Busch Kyle the rivalry you
Speaker 2: were trying to kill him?
Speaker 1: Told story? This is told a lot. I tell this
Speaker 1: one a lot, but you oh you do you know?
Speaker 1: I want to know I learned that you got a
Speaker 1: new audience every time you're in front of the mic.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's never the same.
Speaker 2: So have you ever told your side of the story
Speaker 2: about why you hate him, why you hated him? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So, I don't know, maybe we'll tell a little different this.
Speaker 1: Do we still hate him now?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: Oh, you don't hate him? No, he's great?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: Oh well the story? Why did you guys go to dinner?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: Okay? Is he ain't great? Well, he's fine. That's better.
Speaker 2: There you go. Now we're getting somewhere. And now we're
Speaker 2: getting somewhere. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So anyways, he's we're racing against each other. He racist
Speaker 1: for Rick Hendrick, and I raced for for Dad. And
Speaker 1: he was a rookie and he did something at a
Speaker 1: racetrack and and uh, I said to the media that
Speaker 1: Kyle made a mistake and he'll figure it out. And
Speaker 1: he took offense to that. He's a rookie.
Speaker 3: How how you've been in the game for eight years now,
Speaker 3: maybe not that long way, this is before that, okay,
Speaker 3: but I've been in doing it for six years maybe okay.
Speaker 1: And uh, but anyways, someone asked me a question. I
Speaker 1: just said, you know, he made a mistake and and
Speaker 1: he'll figure that out. What was what was the mistakes?
Speaker 1: Like he calls the crash or something or or a
Speaker 1: couple of guys ended up crashing because of something he did.
Speaker 1: I can't read. Yeah, I don't even remember. It's not
Speaker 1: a big deal. And we went to uh that set
Speaker 1: our that set us on that path, all right. He
Speaker 1: took offense to that, and we weren't We weren't friendly
Speaker 1: from that point on, but we didn't say anything about
Speaker 1: each other. He wasn't dig he wasn't digging me in
Speaker 1: the media or nothing.
Speaker 2: And so.
Speaker 1: There was a race at Texas. His car crashed and
Speaker 1: there was a miscommunication between him and his team. He
Speaker 1: left the track and the car got repaired and they
Speaker 1: didn't have where's he at? They need to put him
Speaker 1: back in it to go finish a few laps. And
Speaker 1: they saw me in the garage and said, hey, are
Speaker 1: you get in this car? We got like eight laps
Speaker 1: to go. We just need you to go out there
Speaker 1: and run the rest of this race. And I'm like, absolutely,
Speaker 1: I'm diving in this thing head first because I wanted
Speaker 1: to feel what kind of engine they build. It's like, man,
Speaker 1: you never get a chance to drive another team's car
Speaker 1: to feel the things about what kind of car did
Speaker 1: he drive? He drove Rick Hendrick's car. And they build
Speaker 1: their own motors and we build our motors, and I
Speaker 1: just you know, they're very good. They win a lot,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, damn right, I'll drive it. And
Speaker 1: so I I drove it a few laps and when
Speaker 1: it was done, they were like, hey, man, appreciate doing
Speaker 1: this solid and we'll see you.
Speaker 2: And that was it.
Speaker 1: Nothing, There was nothing. I didn't. It wasn't. It wasn't
Speaker 1: in spite, it wasn't a spike Kyle. But he was
Speaker 1: mad again, Right, I drove his car. Right, It's like
Speaker 1: I took his took his girlfriend out, and you know,
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 2: And so.
Speaker 1: That's a reference. Yea day had a seafood dinner, never
Speaker 1: called her back. It was he he I'm an old
Speaker 1: school guy where relief driving is a cool thing and
Speaker 1: and it happened all the time in the seventies and
Speaker 1: I'm totally a throwback and nostalgic. And that's freaking yes.
Speaker 1: I've never been asked to relief drive for somebody, Right,
Speaker 1: I'll do it, and uh, and he wouldn't. He ain't
Speaker 1: from that school, and so he was like, nobody drives
Speaker 1: my car but meat, right, And so anyways, him and is,
Speaker 1: Him and Rick are having some difficulties on his contracts
Speaker 1: and whether he wants whether he's going to continue to
Speaker 1: drive there or not, and they decide that that's not happening.
Speaker 1: So they've made a choice, and now Rick's going out
Speaker 1: to find a driver and he offered me a deal
Speaker 1: and I took it, and so Kyle viewed that as
Speaker 1: me taking his job. And Kyle then was now cast
Speaker 1: into free agency and had to take whatever the best officer,
Speaker 1: so he didn't have a car yet.
Speaker 3: They decided not to do a contract, went to you
Speaker 3: got the contract, and he's in free agency and.
Speaker 1: He gets hired by Joe Gibbs. This works out tremendously
Speaker 1: for him in the short run and the long run,
Speaker 1: but he was upset at the time and was like
Speaker 1: feeling rejected by Rick Hendrick. Rick's this ultra freaking respected
Speaker 1: guy in the sport, and if you get rejected by him,
Speaker 1: there must be something wrong with you, right, And he
Speaker 1: read that. And so when we started racing the next year,
Speaker 1: and I'm in his car and he's in the Joe
Speaker 1: Gibbs car. It was me against him. That's the way
Speaker 1: he saw it, and that's the way I kind of
Speaker 1: saw it. We're racing at Richmond, We're running first and
Speaker 1: second in the points. The whole year pretty much, great storyline.
Speaker 1: He's winning quite a he's winning a hell of a
Speaker 1: lot of races too. Things are going well for him.
Speaker 1: I only won at Michigan. I had a great year,
Speaker 1: but I only won the one race. I'm leading at
Speaker 1: Richmond and it's like four or five laps to go
Speaker 1: and I'm running the top of the race track. I
Speaker 1: run the high side. Kyle's right behind me, and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna give him the bottom of the track. He's got
Speaker 1: more than enough room. And we go down into turn
Speaker 1: three and he gets loose and collects me. I reckon
Speaker 1: the wall. He goes up the track and he loses
Speaker 1: the lead. Another guy ends up winning the race. And
Speaker 1: in my mind, I'm like, I understand he got loose.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like he just went in there and turned
Speaker 1: right and hit me. Loose means like when he turned
Speaker 1: down in the corner, his rear tire started sliding like
Speaker 1: if he was in water or ice. It was not
Speaker 1: it was an accident, right. It was like he went in,
Speaker 1: he went in the corner hoping that his car was
Speaker 1: gonna stick and he was gonna pass me. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: But his car didn't stick, and it's the back slid
Speaker 1: and he had to turn right to correct it, which
Speaker 1: drove him up the track into my door, and it
Speaker 1: turned me around when we hit. But it also cost
Speaker 1: him the race too.
Speaker 3: And so.
Speaker 1: He's a good enough race car driver to know how
Speaker 1: to intentionally if he was trying to intentionally crash me,
Speaker 1: he's good enough to just go in there and move
Speaker 1: me out of the way and go on and win.
Speaker 1: So I know that it just, you know, I know,
Speaker 1: just watching him by how all that went down, that
Speaker 1: he didn't really intend for that to happen. But he
Speaker 1: was absolutely unapologetic, and of course, I mean, he wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna say, well, I'm sorry, that was wrong. I shouldn't
Speaker 1: have done that was bad for me, and and and
Speaker 1: and I don't ever want to He just let it.
Speaker 1: He didn't even say anything right and kind of played
Speaker 1: it up a little bit. And now I got it.
Speaker 1: I got the media coming to me, going game. He
Speaker 1: usually got wrecked by that guy. He's he's your archrival.
Speaker 1: He's your enemy. You and him.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: The media is in love with this. Media loves it.
Speaker 1: Every week, right, They're going to him. Hey, Neil said this,
Speaker 1: what do you think? Well, help with him? Now, Hey,
Speaker 1: Kyle just said ten minutes to go to hell with you?
Speaker 1: What do you think? And they just going at us
Speaker 1: every week, right, And we have these obligations to the media.
Speaker 1: We had to be obligation. You had to be there.
Speaker 1: And so they knew they were going to get a
Speaker 1: sound bite. And Kyle was not great at biting his tongue.
Speaker 1: And so if he says something, now I gotta say something.
Speaker 3: Is there Is there a fine system put in place
Speaker 3: with NASCAR, Like you see you can say whatever you want.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like Ricky, listen that that's little of this whole podcast.
Speaker 1: We're really hanging out on this. We go back to
Speaker 1: Richmond later in the year and the back end of
Speaker 1: the summer, and uh, the it's early, it's midway through
Speaker 1: the race, it's not near the end. It's not in
Speaker 1: the same scenario. But Kyle's leading and I'm running second,
Speaker 1: and I went into turn one and tried my hardest
Speaker 1: to put him in the wall, and uh, he's I
Speaker 1: ran into the back of him and he slid up
Speaker 1: the track and backed into the fence and spun down
Speaker 1: the track. He ended up being able to finish the race,
Speaker 1: But that was maybe the one I can I can
Speaker 1: say I probably intentionally wrecked somebody. Let's I can't count
Speaker 1: him on two hands. I may be counted on one hand,
Speaker 1: right in twenty years of racing, and that was that
Speaker 1: was one of them. And I was I was in
Speaker 1: the situation that race. No, I don't know, I don't
Speaker 1: think so, but yeah, probably not buddies back there. But
Speaker 1: I'll be honest, man, I was in a situation where like,
Speaker 1: if I didn't wreck team, I felt like everybody was
Speaker 1: gonna go ooh, you're solved. If you don't, you know,
Speaker 1: here you are, here's your here's your opportunity. Man, y'all
Speaker 1: media is painted y'all into a corners as the arc
Speaker 1: rivals and and he says dirty shit about you, and
Speaker 1: you say shit about him, and now here's your chance. Man,
Speaker 1: You're gonna you're gonna talk talk and walk the walk
Speaker 1: and all that. So I was like, I don't, I
Speaker 1: can't not, man, that media puts you in a little
Speaker 1: bit of a deal. Huh, put you a little bit
Speaker 1: of a deal.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So, how many exchanges with Kyle did you have in
Speaker 3: like like you and I talking right now, like face
Speaker 3: to face.
Speaker 1: Do you ever look at him? Hey Kyle? Sood No?
Speaker 2: Did you mentioned there's Twitter back then?
Speaker 1: Oh? Shit?
Speaker 2: That was a.
Speaker 1: There was one. So and this is what I don't tell.
Speaker 2: Let's go.
Speaker 1: We and Kyle's Kyle. You can get Kyle's version of it.
Speaker 1: It might be different.
Speaker 3: I was welcome on this podcast. Yeah, I was welcome
Speaker 3: you you this is your second time on't.
Speaker 2: Bus.
Speaker 1: You should have him. We were at Phoenix and this
Speaker 1: is toward the This is around p R. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is around twenty fourteen. Things aren't going well for me.
Speaker 1: I'm having a down year, pretty frustrating year.
Speaker 2: And uh.
Speaker 1: It's practice. I'm going down the back straight away and
Speaker 1: I'm slowing down and coming into the pits and I
Speaker 1: get to the apron and Kyle's going Kyle's behind me
Speaker 1: and he's coming by, and I guess I was too
Speaker 1: close to the racetrack. He didn't like where I was
Speaker 1: at and it was appeeding, and it was bothering him
Speaker 1: and his focus and his really the racetrack. I moved
Speaker 1: here in the no I slowed down and got on
Speaker 1: the apron to come into the pits. And he's coming
Speaker 1: by me on the racetrack and uh, and he you
Speaker 1: didn't like something about what I did? You flip me
Speaker 1: the bird in the car out window through the net? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he sticks it out in front of the net like this.
Speaker 1: He's like, hey, did he get the full handout? Are
Speaker 1: they enough to put your hand out? Or you saw
Speaker 1: enough of a knuckle to know that's knew what it was,
Speaker 1: all right? And I pulled into the garage and I
Speaker 1: just it just sent me over the edge. So yeah,
Speaker 1: practice in so calm, like you think, there's nothing, nothing's
Speaker 1: going to bother this guy. Pull out. He's out of here,
Speaker 1: you know. So the practice ends and I debrief with
Speaker 1: my team and and I'm I'm frustrated with my car
Speaker 1: has just been in a bad season. And then that
Speaker 1: happened and I went, I'm gonna go to my holler,
Speaker 1: and I see his holler and I'm like, I'm going
Speaker 1: in there, oh ship, And if he's in there, I
Speaker 1: will confront him about it, and I walked up. I
Speaker 1: walked up into his haller, which is an eighteen wheeler trailer,
Speaker 1: and you walk to the very front of the trailer
Speaker 1: and there's a lounge and in the lounge is Kyle
Speaker 1: and it's crew chief, and I know it's crew chief
Speaker 1: to be one. And I said, Kyle, if you ever
Speaker 1: flip me off again, I'm gonna rip your head off
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna kill you. I'm gonna beat the hell
Speaker 1: out of you. And I just said everything I could
Speaker 1: just say moment and he's sitting there going you told
Speaker 1: me you were to kill him. Yeah, we had to
Speaker 1: talk about.
Speaker 2: That the other way. We really did, because you know,
Speaker 2: what's his name, I'm gonna kill you, Taylor says.
Speaker 3: He gets I just don't think that's that big of
Speaker 3: a deal because it's like, I don't know, it could happen,
Speaker 3: but you're not gonna kill knock him out, hopefully.
Speaker 2: I don't the car being a weapon at some point.
Speaker 1: Because questions, emotions get the best of you do. So
Speaker 1: you tell this guy everything I wanted to tell him,
Speaker 1: and I I'd never ever do that, right, That's that
Speaker 1: a character for me, But it was to a point
Speaker 1: to where I was done. I needed to tell this
Speaker 1: guy to knock it off right. The words in the media,
Speaker 1: the bird, the this, the disrespect is just got to
Speaker 1: come to an end. You're gonna respect me, and you're
Speaker 1: not gonna you're not gonna look at me the way
Speaker 1: you're looking at me and perceive me the way you
Speaker 1: perceive me. You're gonna you're gonna respect me when we're
Speaker 1: here together to racetrack. And so I said what I
Speaker 1: had to say, and I turned around and walked out.
Speaker 1: He didn't say a word. God, that must have change
Speaker 1: your ass a little bit that he didn't say nothing.
Speaker 1: But I didn't want him to respond to me.
Speaker 2: You just said it and turn around and you walked out.
Speaker 1: I didn't want him to respond to me. And his
Speaker 1: his crew chief didn't didn't move, and like it. It
Speaker 1: was what I wanted it to be. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I feel like that if I didn't want anything to
Speaker 1: happen to where it would have gotten physical, it probably
Speaker 1: would have easily gotten that way. It's good that nothing
Speaker 1: happened to where it became physical. It's kind of dude.
Speaker 1: He's tall. He's tall, but he's not now, Okay, I
Speaker 1: mean yeah, you're okay. He's taller. He's taller than me
Speaker 1: five ten and a half.
Speaker 2: That I love that half.
Speaker 1: Sad half.
Speaker 3: You get the detailed question. Looking back on it, he
Speaker 3: stood up and said, all right, I'll kill you right now.
Speaker 3: He had to have found out who was gonna be
Speaker 3: like that, So you think you could have taken him?
Speaker 2: I don't know, is are you back there?
Speaker 1: Story where you got in his car? Yeah, he's pretty skinny. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't I'm not. I don't have enough. We'll I
Speaker 1: don't know what my ability is. Yeah, that's understandable.
Speaker 3: I mean, no one can really fight unless you're a fighter, right,
Speaker 3: Like all of us can sit here and talk about
Speaker 3: what every At the end of the day we fight for.
Speaker 1: There's buttons all over this chick.
Speaker 2: I might be hard for twenty seconds. We're all we're
Speaker 2: both tired.
Speaker 1: We're like, all right, hey, guys, get twenty get the
Speaker 1: hell out of here. But you used to think I
Speaker 1: can fight. We all did, yeah with one right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: at at one.
Speaker 2: Point we all think we still do. Come on, we're
Speaker 2: on cameras. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Once I started getting kids, I was like, I don't
Speaker 3: know who am I fighting dude, Yeah, only my daughter's
Speaker 3: assumed me fighting somebody, you know, practice, no problem.
Speaker 1: It felt good though. I was glad to do it,
Speaker 1: and it got it. I think it changed our relationship. So,
Speaker 1: you know, years later he's he texted me one day
Speaker 1: and he's like, Hey, We're at a race track somewhere.
Speaker 1: He's like, Hey, I want to talk to you about
Speaker 1: some race. He owns the team and I owned the team.
Speaker 1: He's like, I want to compare some things that y'all
Speaker 1: are doing with what I'm doing on my business. How
Speaker 1: far after probably four years after the Richmond incident, okay,
Speaker 1: four or five years.
Speaker 3: Four or five years, so you guys lines of communication
Speaker 3: after that, and the media kind of stopped. You guys
Speaker 3: obviously didn't talk. So he just had you guys are both.
Speaker 2: Kind of transitioning in the business world, and you guys
Speaker 2: are kind of like, you know, respected at this point.
Speaker 1: And then we started communicating and then I had him
Speaker 1: on my podcast and we talked about Richmond. Oh, we
Speaker 1: never talked about it, and I said, hey, come on
Speaker 1: my podcast and let's talk about Richmond, and let's talk
Speaker 1: about that day, what you went through, what I thought,
Speaker 1: what you thought, what what I know, let's be honest
Speaker 1: and be clear and everything beyond that, all the dirt
Speaker 1: we threw on each other in the media. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: and we talked it out and he told me, and
Speaker 1: you know, you can get him in here and talk
Speaker 1: about that. But he was like, man, when I came
Speaker 1: into the sport and y'all were we were Dee I
Speaker 1: Dylnhart incorporated the team I was driving for at the time,
Speaker 1: we were courting him and Rick Hendrick was courting and
Speaker 1: he ended up going with Rick, right, so we were.
Speaker 1: I would see him in the garage when he was
Speaker 1: like eighteen and go, hey, man, you coming to drive
Speaker 1: for us? Yeah, you're he's sought after, you know, young
Speaker 1: kid with a lot of talent. I'm like, hey, you
Speaker 1: coming with us?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And he's like, I don't know, we'll find out. And
Speaker 3: so he was playing dumb. Yeah, He's like, do you
Speaker 3: he has have agents in the game or you guys?
Speaker 3: Kind of I think it's probably his parents more than anything, right,
Speaker 3: I imagine.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I doubt he had an agent, but
Speaker 1: he's like, man, back then, I wanted to be your
Speaker 1: friend like you were. You were the bud guy, you
Speaker 1: were the you were the fun guy. He was like,
Speaker 1: I wanted to be in your group. And I'm like, damn,
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. He's like, yeah, I hated how
Speaker 1: things got took off with us and how we went
Speaker 1: down this other path. He's like, because when when I
Speaker 1: was coming into sport, I was thinking, Man, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be cool if I can hang out and drink beer
Speaker 1: with me. I was the beer guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're having beers.
Speaker 1: Now, how cool is that having beers?
Speaker 3: How cool is it like to have somebody when you're
Speaker 3: in the game long enough look up to you. What
Speaker 3: we talk about that sometimes it's like when you play
Speaker 3: something long enough, you have kids that are growing up
Speaker 3: and going into your world that are fans of you, Like, hey,
Speaker 3: you're selling some You're just like, yeah, listen, I'm just
Speaker 3: talking about you know what I'm saying. That's I mean,
Speaker 3: that was That's a cool feeling for us.
Speaker 1: It's pretty cool. Now, Yeah, you know, I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't not the It wasn't that cool to hear that
Speaker 1: from my peers, if any of those were to ever
Speaker 1: say that. But now that I'm done and I'm and
Speaker 1: these like twenty year olds, they are coming into sport,
Speaker 1: and I guess because I'm forty six and I feel
Speaker 1: like I'm getting old as hell that they even knew
Speaker 1: who I was. They're like, man, I used to be
Speaker 1: a big hell junior fan when I was five. I'm like,
Speaker 1: well that that makes me feel old. But it's nice
Speaker 1: to know that, you know, I'm not aged out like
Speaker 1: these kids that are coming into the sport don't know.
Speaker 3: Who the hell I am, right right, Yeah, it's super cool. Yeah,
Speaker 3: So we go back to the beginning of the podcast, legend,
Speaker 3: just let your.
Speaker 2: You're returning, They'll be I see you're you're returning back
Speaker 2: to the racetrack.
Speaker 1: Well, I do run one a year. I run one
Speaker 1: race a year to scratch the itch and to smell
Speaker 1: the smells and hear the sounds. So when I'm I'm
Speaker 1: a broadcast for NBC and I when you're up there
Speaker 1: in the booth, all right, if you're a player and
Speaker 1: you go into the broadcast booth, it's you can tell
Speaker 1: the broadcast and the viewer everything that the player's thinking, right,
Speaker 1: because you played it. You just played there. You were
Speaker 1: just down there right. Well, the second the second year,
Speaker 1: the third year, the fourth year, the fifth year, that
Speaker 1: gets harder because you forget Zach, you get your turning
Speaker 1: it into more of the broadcast you got, you have
Speaker 1: the player anymore, right, and you're further from that. And man,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I know exactly what that guy
Speaker 1: is thinking right now. I forget that energy, I forget
Speaker 1: that sensation or that emotion. I forget that pressure. I
Speaker 1: forget that nervousness, that fear, of that anxiety, all those things,
Speaker 1: right that you have in those moments, right, And so
Speaker 1: I get in the car once a year and run
Speaker 1: one race to be reminded of all those things. So
Speaker 1: when I'm in the booth, it's right there. When I
Speaker 1: need to pull that file, it's right there, right when
Speaker 1: I need to draw on that moment and go I was,
Speaker 1: I know what that's like. I know exactly what he's thinking.
Speaker 1: It's all fresh. Well, what if you win, then that's badass?
Speaker 2: Yeah, But if you win, are you gonna sit there
Speaker 2: like you No, Let's get another run at this thing.
Speaker 1: H No, I'm done, man, I you know I ran.
Speaker 1: I raced for twenty years. I had some head injury stuff,
Speaker 1: some concussion stuff, and I felt like that I was
Speaker 1: going to the well too many times I felt like
Speaker 1: that I was taking some risks unnecessarily. So I'm getting
Speaker 1: ready to get married. And at the end of twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: we have our first little girl. Shortly after that, and
Speaker 1: this is like I got his whole new life, you know,
Speaker 1: and maybe racing ain't important anymore, and maybe you know,
Speaker 1: when I got hurt in twenty sixteen, I had I mean,
Speaker 1: I had like I had recognizable symptoms, you know. Just
Speaker 1: it wasn't when most people get a concussion. You guys
Speaker 1: know this, right, So when guys get concussions, there's they're
Speaker 1: self diagnosed. Right, you don't. I don't see it. I
Speaker 1: don't see your concussion.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: I had like these visual cues that you could see.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: I had balance issues and visual I had I had
Speaker 1: uh issues speaking and thinking of pulling words out, you know,
Speaker 1: just trying to form the normal sentences and not being
Speaker 1: able to think of a simple word that I use
Speaker 1: every day.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: I had these issues that were frightening, man, frightening and uh.
Speaker 1: And I thought to myself, like I don't want to
Speaker 1: ever put myself back there again. Uh, And going to
Speaker 1: the racetrack and running every single week, You're gonna crash
Speaker 1: you cannot run a whole year and never hit anything.
Speaker 1: You're gonna hit stuff. And and if I'm just hitting
Speaker 1: stuff all the time, I'm never giving myself any chance
Speaker 1: to get beyond this and get past this and get
Speaker 1: away from it. Right, And so yeah, going back and
Speaker 1: running that one race is a risky decision. I'm particular
Speaker 1: about where that race is at as far as the
Speaker 1: track and what's the potential of a hard wreck there,
Speaker 1: you know, And it needs to be a track I'm
Speaker 1: comfortable with. Yeah, And so you know, I and I
Speaker 1: don't go out there and race over my head like
Speaker 1: I would if I was twenty five or twenty eight,
Speaker 1: like with Reckless abandon Right, I go out there and
Speaker 1: measure the risks and I have a great time. I
Speaker 1: get to experience it, and for the time being, it
Speaker 1: checks all the boxes.
Speaker 3: Have you done like anything post racing that is like
Speaker 3: beneficial for brand stuff? Have you gone and looked at
Speaker 3: anything like IV therapy is different stuff like that?
Speaker 1: No, So I haven't. And the only reason I think
Speaker 1: is because I haven't had anything that's triggered me to
Speaker 1: have concern. And so, you know, when I had the
Speaker 1: problems that I was having in twenty sixteen, I'd already
Speaker 1: been to Pittsburgh to see Mickey Collins, who's a guy
Speaker 1: that works with a lot of the Steelers. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: the Steelers guy, Penguin's guy, but he also worked with
Speaker 1: other racers. He's worked with a lot of people that
Speaker 1: I know, but he's worked. He's worked with tons of
Speaker 1: football guys. Yeah, I've worked ye. So you know, he
Speaker 1: helped me in twenty twelve get through us I say,
Speaker 1: small concussion, but he helped me get through an issue
Speaker 1: that didn't last long and went away in a relatively
Speaker 1: short period of time. And so he with that experience,
Speaker 1: you know, I thought, you know, oh man, I got
Speaker 1: this under control. Well, I got in trouble and put
Speaker 1: myself in a bad situation in twenty sixteen, with a
Speaker 1: lot of crashes and a lot lot getting sick. After
Speaker 1: a lot of crashes, I'd be well in about three
Speaker 1: or four days and think, well, you know, I'm healed,
Speaker 1: you know, but I kept had hit the wall three
Speaker 1: weeks later, and then three weeks after that, I'd hit something,
Speaker 1: and I kept layering all these concussions together, and one
Speaker 1: day I started getting worse and worse and worse and
Speaker 1: didn't know what it was and why it was happening,
Speaker 1: and I was just going down. Yeah, I didn't wrecked.
Speaker 1: I was racing. I hadn't wrecked in weeks, and so
Speaker 1: I didn't. I was like, what's happening in my what?
Speaker 1: What's happening to me? I didn't wreck What is this?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: So finally I figured out that I needed to go
Speaker 1: see him, and he uh, we spent eight months fixing it.
Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, it was you do anything that I was like,
Speaker 2: out of the norm of what the usual.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, everybody's experience seems to be different, and
Speaker 1: whether you My treatment in twenty twelve was much different
Speaker 1: than in twenty sixteen because the the understanding of how
Speaker 1: to treat a concussion had changed. So when twenty twelve happened,
Speaker 1: they were like no TV, no cell phones, dark rooms, sleep, silence, quiet, nothing.
Speaker 1: And in twenty sixteen, when I was like, man, I
Speaker 1: do not want to go through that, no rooms in
Speaker 1: dark rooms, no cell phones, no TV. I don't want
Speaker 1: to do that, right, that is awful, And so I
Speaker 1: was dreading it. And when I got diagnosed, He's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: here's here's what you do. What triggers your your symptoms,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, going to the busy places, the
Speaker 1: grocery store, or I'd say, you know, if I went
Speaker 1: to a concert anywhere where there's there's where there's complex environments,
Speaker 1: it freaks me out. And he's like, go do those
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, okay, and uh so yeah. So
Speaker 1: so they pulled me out of the race car and
Speaker 1: now I'm in a concert and my team, my p people,
Speaker 1: my crew, my brand team, and my race team. They're like,
Speaker 1: you know, you can't drive a race car, but you're
Speaker 1: you're off at a concert.
Speaker 2: Yeah you have.
Speaker 1: You're trying to get over a concussion. What are you doing?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: And so I would take all the people that I
Speaker 1: could take to see Mickey when I would go visit him,
Speaker 1: so he could explain to them like, hey, this is
Speaker 1: what we're doing, and he's in big trouble and so
Speaker 1: you know, and it was helpful, but uh, it took
Speaker 1: a long time to get over that, and I you know,
Speaker 1: so I think I retired probably about if that never happened.
Speaker 1: If that never happened, I'd probably race way on into
Speaker 1: my late forties. And I think that if I hadn't
Speaker 1: have got married and had kids. Even with that incident
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen, I might still be racing today, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I wouldn't put new things into perspective of something
Speaker 1: different to lift for. So right, So when I had
Speaker 1: only myself to live for, I would probably put myself
Speaker 1: back in that same situation risk. You know, my doctor
Speaker 1: would tell me, even after twenty sixteen, He's like, you're fine,
Speaker 1: You're no more You're at no more risk than the
Speaker 1: other guys out there. And I'm like, wait, but I'm damaged, right,
Speaker 1: I've had this injury, and it seems like I would
Speaker 1: be at risk to get it more so than the
Speaker 1: guy racing the car behind me. He's like, ope, you're good,
Speaker 1: you can go race. He's like, now you can get hurt,
Speaker 1: but soa can he You're not going to get it
Speaker 1: easier than him. And I'm like, okay, So I without
Speaker 1: my wife and kids, I probably would have just went
Speaker 1: right back to it, right, and I probably would have
Speaker 1: got sick again. I probably would have got hurt again,
Speaker 1: and who knows where that would have sent me, right,
Speaker 1: But uh, yeah, when I got married and had kids,
Speaker 1: I was like, uh, I don't want to I don't
Speaker 1: want to I don't want to be at home sick,
Speaker 1: can't can't walk, can't stand, can't talk, can't see, and
Speaker 1: have a one year old kid that I can can't
Speaker 1: enjoy right her her milestones. I can't be in the
Speaker 1: moment when you're in a concussion. I'm not telling you
Speaker 1: guys anything, y'all haven't heard or no. When you have
Speaker 1: a concussion, you're in a fog. You're not in the moment.
Speaker 1: You're not in the room you could be. You could
Speaker 1: have the most important people in your life in a
Speaker 1: conversation around a table and you couldn't be a part
Speaker 1: of it and start doing the lookoff and yeah, it
Speaker 1: was awful.
Speaker 2: You worry, bussy t.
Speaker 1: I think you know I do. Uh, it's a I
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. For me, I can't live the
Speaker 1: rest of my life thinking, man, what's gonna happen to me?
Speaker 1: I think that some people do live their life like that,
Speaker 1: worrying about their future. But I'm just gonna today's good.
Speaker 1: Let's see how tomorrow is. Tomorrow's good. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: just doing it, doing it day to day.
Speaker 3: You've also dealt with a lot of trauma also, like
Speaker 3: just like that plane Crush talked about in the last
Speaker 3: podcast and Wills and Hayes flying in It's like, I
Speaker 3: bet every time you got on a plane, it's there's
Speaker 3: gotta be a little something in there. Yeah, it starts
Speaker 3: taking off, you just start rolling a little bit, like let's.
Speaker 1: Get this thing off the ground.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the arm.
Speaker 1: But if you live your entire life thinking of the
Speaker 1: next flight I take, you can't. I can't do that.
Speaker 1: I can't not fly. Yeah, I've got to get back
Speaker 1: on a plane because there'd be would be things I
Speaker 1: need to go do that are important, right.
Speaker 2: Like busting with the boys.
Speaker 1: It's very important. This is a very important thing. Fall
Speaker 1: through through the anxieties.
Speaker 2: To be here.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: you're a big uh pioneer in bringing Nascar to Nashville.
Speaker 3: Man, I'm working hard at it. Seems like everyone's really
Speaker 3: excited about it. Yeah, yeah, everyone that even people that
Speaker 3: aren't just just a casual fan are excited. I think
Speaker 3: people just want as many sports as possible here and
Speaker 3: that absolutely.
Speaker 1: I think so. I always say that, you know, the
Speaker 1: rising Tides lists, all the ships up, and we have
Speaker 1: IndyCar coming to run the street course at Nashville. We
Speaker 1: got NASCAR at the Nashville super Speedway. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of there's a push to get Nashville to the fairgrounds
Speaker 1: in town. It's a short track and so and Nashville
Speaker 1: Man has changed so much in the last ten years.
Speaker 1: When NASCAR left in nineteen eighty four, it was a
Speaker 1: different town. And what it is today, it's where we
Speaker 1: want to be, right, we celebrate our champion here. We've
Speaker 1: had our banquet here for the last two or three years,
Speaker 1: and I you know, to me, that's a very critical
Speaker 1: important day for our sport. It's where we celebrate everything
Speaker 1: that happened that year. Right, they could be more important.
Speaker 1: And the day you crown and recognize and celebrate your
Speaker 1: champion and all the winners and all the accomplishments. So
Speaker 1: that we do that here is great for us. It's
Speaker 1: a hell of a fit. It's perfect. And you know,
Speaker 1: everybody we loved Vegas, everybody partied hard, had a last
Speaker 1: but yeah, damn, I mean Nashville is as good or
Speaker 1: better than Vegas. It has it has a similar vibe.
Speaker 1: But also, uh, you know, it's Nashville all another thing
Speaker 1: too that and I want to say, is uh that
Speaker 1: music component like Nascar and music, particularly country music. But
Speaker 1: Nascar and music is a good marriage and we can
Speaker 1: utilize that in ways we never were able to before.
Speaker 1: We would have. You know, the banquet is a big
Speaker 1: giant you know theater, you know, banquet, banquet table event. Right,
Speaker 1: there's five hundred people there, and we were it's like
Speaker 1: pulling teeth to get anybody really bad ass to come play,
Speaker 1: you know, and get and really raise our level, right,
Speaker 1: you know, get people going. Damn did you see NASCAR
Speaker 1: had the banquet play? You know it was good, but
Speaker 1: now that you know, you got so much to choose
Speaker 1: from here in Nashville, all over the place. Damn. Right,
Speaker 1: So we had the banquet last year. Man, I was like,
Speaker 1: I was telling all the drivers, I was calling them up.
Speaker 1: I was like, Hey, all your country music friends, invite
Speaker 1: them to the banquet. Have them sitting at your table,
Speaker 1: even if they don't play. Have them there so when
Speaker 1: the camera goes across the room, they see, you know,
Speaker 1: this famous musician and this race car drive right our whole.
Speaker 1: It brings the brand up.
Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, yeah, it brings the brand up. Have is
Speaker 3: there is there a difficulty with the brand of NASCAR
Speaker 3: in the last like ten years, like keeping everything going
Speaker 3: in a tribjectory. You guys wanted to go in.
Speaker 1: Well the uh you know, we had an amazing run
Speaker 1: in the two thousands. Things were crazy, we were, I mean,
Speaker 1: souvenir business was multimillions of dollars. All the drivers were
Speaker 1: making money in souvenirs alone. Driver salaries were going through
Speaker 1: the roof. Sponsorships were going through the roof. In two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight, I think we had over four million,
Speaker 1: forty million dollars on one car, really, yeah, Rick Hendrick
Speaker 1: was probably near to one hundred million dollars for his
Speaker 1: team sponsorship and four cars. Yeah, I mean it was
Speaker 1: some bonkers, you know. And the numbers aren't like that
Speaker 1: anymore that you know, the ticket sales aren't like that anymore.
Speaker 1: They've started, you know, for over a decade, we've been
Speaker 1: pulling seats from race tracks. You know, if you can't
Speaker 1: sell these grands, these seats they gotta go. And so
Speaker 1: when you know, instead of having one hundred and eighty
Speaker 1: thousand people at a race, you're you're now thrilled, now thrilled,
Speaker 1: You're happy you have sixty to eighty thousand.
Speaker 3: Really, yeah, it's that much of a difference, Yeah, for
Speaker 3: some plat do What do you think that is? Is
Speaker 3: it just everybody a different way?
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think it's the way people
Speaker 1: consume content these days. I think that's you know, there
Speaker 1: were a million different variables that made it more difficult
Speaker 1: for fans to choose to go to a race. Hotel rooms,
Speaker 1: the costs to do it all right, The ticket prices
Speaker 1: went up, hotel gallaging, you know, everything got more expensive,
Speaker 1: and it became instead of being a fan, instead of
Speaker 1: being able to go to like multiple races a year,
Speaker 1: it came down to like which one do we go to, right,
Speaker 1: because we can only afford to do this once a year,
Speaker 1: and so that got to be more difficult. And I
Speaker 1: think that we might have lost sight to of how
Speaker 1: to entertain someone for the how to entertain somebody for
Speaker 1: that weekend. So if you're I want you to come
Speaker 1: to race. I mean it's great if you walk up
Speaker 1: and buy a ticket and come to the Grand Sands,
Speaker 1: but I want you to drive an RV and I
Speaker 1: want you to rent a spot, and I want you
Speaker 1: to be there Friday, Saturday and Sunday, and I want
Speaker 1: you eating concessions all three days, and you know, pumping
Speaker 1: money into economy around the racetrack. And that got harder
Speaker 1: to do. You know, that got harder to get people
Speaker 1: to come and commit that that and for you to
Speaker 1: do that, you need more than just the race on Sunday. Right,
Speaker 1: you need a concert on Friday night and Saturday night.
Speaker 1: You need some racing on Saturday. Some of you need
Speaker 1: multiple forms of motorsport at the same venue or something
Speaker 1: like that. Boys play on Saturday and that that's gonna
Speaker 1: bring you in. So it's uh, I think we're getting
Speaker 1: back to that. I think we're getting our our promoters,
Speaker 1: our our promoters are promoting and getting creative. And for
Speaker 1: lack of a better way to describe it, they got
Speaker 1: to bring in that sort of carnival atmosphere and that
Speaker 1: you know, that entertainment atmosphere they got to have, you know,
Speaker 1: they got to have other things for people to do.
Speaker 1: Then to drive there and sit around for two days
Speaker 1: to wait on this three hour race to happen on Sunday.
Speaker 1: Sounds like Nashville is the best place for that to happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, nig City, Bro, it'd be awesome.
Speaker 3: I think however many people you can get is gonna go,
Speaker 3: especially that first one. But if you guys do it right.
Speaker 3: We read concerts and all that.
Speaker 1: We ran out at the fair, we ran out at
Speaker 1: the speedway, and everybody the industry, meaning crew members, all
Speaker 1: the people that work in NASCAR drivers, wives, all the
Speaker 1: industry people and the fans all got entertained for a week,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean we came into town, we went
Speaker 1: to Broadway, we had they had parties, and out at
Speaker 1: the track they had parties. The sponsors were holding parties
Speaker 1: in town, big vents. Everybody was getting taken. It was
Speaker 1: great and we had that stuff hasn't been happening for years.
Speaker 1: We just thought, oh, we're just the race is all
Speaker 1: we need. I don't need to spend ten grand for
Speaker 1: a concert act here Saturday night, you know. So we're
Speaker 1: kind of getting back to being more of an entertainment
Speaker 1: business and the races, the you know, the main course,
Speaker 1: but you got to have everything else, advertiser and all
Speaker 1: those things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty savvy in the business world.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 2: I was transitioning from like NASCAR juggling the business and
Speaker 2: becoming the businessman that you're obviously being, like being a
Speaker 2: part owner in the NASCAR speedway circuit whatever it's called. Apologize, No,
Speaker 2: it's good.
Speaker 1: I've been uh well, speedway circuit.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying.
Speaker 1: It's all good.
Speaker 2: The NASCAR Talladega race.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I used to tell people, like when
Speaker 1: I first started racing, and it was just I was
Speaker 1: just making a paycheck from racing alone. And uh, I
Speaker 1: used to tell people that I wanted to find my
Speaker 1: form and grill. So George Foreman had the grill. And
Speaker 1: and anyone in any athletes size or any race car
Speaker 1: driver's eyes, you know you want to you want to
Speaker 1: be George Foreman. I want to have them. You want
Speaker 1: to have this thing beyond your your racing. Uh that's
Speaker 1: gonna you know, be a be a big deal, be
Speaker 1: a national thing, right, whatever that is George for grill,
Speaker 1: that was great and he selled the hell out in
Speaker 1: things and whatever your George Foreman grill is right, it
Speaker 1: can be anything. And so I was just always like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna find something and it's gonna land. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: land something I'm gonna make. It's whether I created or
Speaker 1: it comes and falls in my lap.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And uh so you try, you know, not everything, some
Speaker 1: things are silly, but you try about everything that sounds good, right,
Speaker 1: and some stuff doesn't work. I've done candy bars, uh,
Speaker 1: and different things that just don't work. Chocolate, what's to
Speaker 1: do on the candy bars that did just go? I mean,
Speaker 1: getting some shelves, space, get a damn store. I don't
Speaker 1: care what kind of food product you are. Is competitive. Look,
Speaker 1: you just don't walk in and put your tatter chips
Speaker 1: on the tater chip aisle. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: In all the stores across America, it's competitive, and uh
Speaker 1: you you got to earn that. And so or could
Speaker 1: be with the right people. But a lot of our
Speaker 1: things didn't work, but a lot of them did. And
Speaker 1: the secret to being successful at anything is people, and
Speaker 1: so like having some Like I don't know how to
Speaker 1: run a restaurant, right, but I own a restaurant that's
Speaker 1: in Uh we have Whiskey River, which is in airports.
Speaker 1: We got one in Charlotte, Riley and Fort Lauderdale, and
Speaker 1: uh we kill it. But I don't make the choices
Speaker 1: because I would run it in the ground right.
Speaker 3: To do.
Speaker 1: I got some people that I partner with that absolutely
Speaker 1: know how to run a restaurant. And that's why it wins,
Speaker 1: you know, And so you know when you you just
Speaker 1: can't go in there thinking, Man, I know how to
Speaker 1: do this. I know how to run a night club.
Speaker 1: Be the best nightclub. Yeah, you know, you're never gonna
Speaker 1: make it if you're not a nightclub owner. If you
Speaker 1: weren't born into it, you can do everything right. You
Speaker 1: have to put with the right people in the right place.
Speaker 1: George didn't build that grip.
Speaker 3: He did not.
Speaker 1: There's no way he built that grill. Do you think
Speaker 1: George is in the basement.
Speaker 2: Maybe things together?
Speaker 3: You don't know George, dude, I do actually know George. Yeah, literally,
Speaker 3: so this I actually wanted to talk about. What is
Speaker 3: how did this happen between you two? Let's like, what
Speaker 3: because I've heard I've heard a gentle story about.
Speaker 2: Wales.
Speaker 1: He you know, he flexed on me a couple of times.
Speaker 2: It's tough sometimes strong around Dale and I being friend.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no question.
Speaker 3: I mean I literally I feel like the third wheel here.
Speaker 3: But I do want to know between the two, how
Speaker 3: did this whole thing work out?
Speaker 1: Is a natural thing?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: It natural?
Speaker 2: He can? He can? He can, you know, chime in whatever.
Speaker 2: How I remember it. We were on our run. That's
Speaker 2: when we won the division back in twenty and fifteen,
Speaker 2: and that was the year I started taking over the job,
Speaker 2: and we were we were playing well in the back
Speaker 2: end the back end of the season, and we started
Speaker 2: stringing games together because we can never win like two
Speaker 2: games in a row. It was always we'd win one,
Speaker 2: we lose one, we win one, we lose one. And
Speaker 2: then we started swinging together. I think like maybe three
Speaker 2: or four, and we were having fun on social media
Speaker 2: and uh D Hall and I we were close and
Speaker 2: he was tweeting back and forth with Kevin Durant and
Speaker 2: uh I, you know, being myself on social media. I'm like,
Speaker 2: I tweet at both of them. I'm like, hey, Dal,
Speaker 2: introduce me to KD, but be cool about it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then he like last, He's like, Comp, I'm sure
Speaker 2: he knows you.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: He's a fan of the team, because Kat's a big
Speaker 2: fan of the Washington football team. And Kat responds like, hey, Comp,
Speaker 2: I know who you are. Man. He follows me and stuff.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, you know, I played that up, that
Speaker 2: KD follows me. And then I see yeah, yeah exactly.
Speaker 2: And then in an article of the next day, I'm seeing,
Speaker 2: like the media, you know, put together the storyline of
Speaker 2: what happened, and I saw that Dale was following me too,
Speaker 2: because they're like, oh, KD wasn't the only one who
Speaker 2: followed Will like Dale had followed me or something.
Speaker 1: I like, Kat fan is that how you saw this
Speaker 1: thing go down?
Speaker 2: Well, he's he's a he was a Washington guy too.
Speaker 3: He was watching fan, Yeah, Washington fan. And I was
Speaker 3: always like active thought, this is the guy I'm gonna follow.
Speaker 3: I was on social Let's let's take a pause here.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: So I was like, let's look that for a second.
Speaker 3: So you're obviously a huge fan of the team. Yes,
Speaker 3: to be falling, you know what I'm saying. Well, fifteen
Speaker 3: playing well? Yeah, playing well.
Speaker 1: But the first was dat play each other that year?
Speaker 2: Yeah we won.
Speaker 1: I know, I'm very aware. It was a horrible day.
Speaker 1: It wasn't fun a white good It.
Speaker 2: Was you and Alex Boone. You guys were both They
Speaker 2: called me like some like white guy out there, but
Speaker 2: Boone was like messing with me.
Speaker 1: I remember going to you like, hey we played other
Speaker 1: in college, and You're like, all right, white dude with
Speaker 1: the content on his back. I'm like you can't.
Speaker 3: This got to be the same guy from Nebraska. So okay,
Speaker 3: So twenty fifteen hits, Well, how did you get to
Speaker 3: that man's twitter?
Speaker 1: Washing him play? He's playing good? Are you serious? I
Speaker 1: mean like you saw him make a couple of make
Speaker 1: a couple of Accoles and you just gave him a follow.
Speaker 1: I think it was more like.
Speaker 2: That looks so different.
Speaker 1: That was like just bored as hell, like all the time.
Speaker 2: We couldn't even drive the race car that day for real.
Speaker 2: But oh really yeah, but yeah, so.
Speaker 1: You just started following that day?
Speaker 2: Or was it?
Speaker 1: Did you see the I don't. I think it might
Speaker 1: have been that day. I don't I think it was
Speaker 1: that day. I can't remember. I mean, I just you know,
Speaker 1: I would. I just was like, man, this guy seems
Speaker 1: pretty cool and we needed, uh, you know, our team
Speaker 1: needed some personality.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, when you're a fan, you gravitate towards the
Speaker 1: guys that seemed to show some personality. Right, there's the
Speaker 1: workman type guy that you appreciate, like you know, uh
Speaker 1: that that scores a touchdown, hands the ball, the wrap
Speaker 1: goes back to the bench, right right. But you know
Speaker 1: every team needs that sort of uh clown, right, that
Speaker 1: class clown.
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ God, it's the funnyest fun about that is,
Speaker 2: I know, you know, every team needs sort of a clown.
Speaker 2: And I just see that part being in just some
Speaker 2: trailer that.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, just the fun you're enjoying yourself.
Speaker 1: Things were work, things are going well for you, and
Speaker 1: you were you were you were embracing that, and you
Speaker 1: were sharing that with fans.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: That fired me up because Dobson back there was my
Speaker 2: He's been my strength coach pretty much my entire life.
Speaker 1: And uh say this, okay, all right, I am a
Speaker 1: fan of the team, and if I can interact with
Speaker 1: one of the players, I mean, I'm no different than
Speaker 1: the guy next door who isn't a race car driver
Speaker 1: and on TV, right, I'm just like him. And if
Speaker 1: I'm just as excited about, you know, getting on social
Speaker 1: media and interacting with Will is this guy.
Speaker 2: Is I get it.
Speaker 3: And so people think people that do stuff, they think
Speaker 3: that I'm like, yeah, right, like George, George, you're not
Speaker 3: a fan of anything.
Speaker 2: Ye like me and George like he's really nice. It's like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, I mean we're all human beings, like we
Speaker 2: all like want to hang.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's playing for the team, and I'm like, dang,
Speaker 1: that's cool, man, because we you know, he was cool
Speaker 1: enough to be, you know, engage.
Speaker 2: Which is crazy because I'm thinking, I'm like, because I
Speaker 2: knew dob was a huge Dale or hard junior fan,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, yo, I can't wait to show tell
Speaker 2: Dob that Dale and I follow each other. We're kind
Speaker 2: of friends because what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: And so.
Speaker 2: The next uh, the next year, we were about to
Speaker 2: go to O t As. Dale tweets like, hey, good
Speaker 2: luck in O t As. I'm like, we're fucking we're boys, man,
Speaker 2: And then we get to go we get race at
Speaker 2: the Richmond Speedway.
Speaker 1: Is that is that?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, we get to go to Richmond Speedway and
Speaker 2: it's just yeah, that's how it happened, dude, Literally like
Speaker 2: Twitter and the kind of really we text every now
Speaker 2: and then.
Speaker 1: That's super nice. I'm really glad this is developing something
Speaker 1: that you got some both hang your hat on all over.
Speaker 3: The guy.
Speaker 1: It was just a clown, and you know, every team
Speaker 1: needs a you know, a clown.
Speaker 2: He goes, he goes.
Speaker 1: You got the hard.
Speaker 2: Workers, you know, and then you know every team needs
Speaker 2: like a clown.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that day, that day, you guys been driving, Like
Speaker 3: were you guys kicking it up? You guys couldn't drive
Speaker 3: the race car. Legit, we couldn't drive the race car.
Speaker 2: Yeah. He was like, we get to choose like four
Speaker 2: or five players to come out to the speedway, like
Speaker 2: your names on the list, like make sure we get
Speaker 2: to go out because it was during training camp. So
Speaker 2: you wait. So you go to the stand and hey,
Speaker 2: you're doing like a retirement round or something, right.
Speaker 1: Yes, and you go to it was Richmond. Yeah, go
Speaker 1: to Richmond, Washington at the time, Washington football team.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I was going to go to training camp
Speaker 2: later that day. Yeah, but we had we practiced early
Speaker 2: in the mornings.
Speaker 1: Right, and so we had to wait on y'all.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I think I put you and me, Kirk Morgan, Moses,
Speaker 2: Ryan Kerrigan, and I don't know if there's anybody else,
Speaker 2: but you put on your list or you.
Speaker 1: Put Will on your list. I put all those names
Speaker 1: on this.
Speaker 3: Okay, got you Morgan, Moses, huh Off, it's Lineman Butt.
Speaker 3: You follow him on Twitter, say, hey, Dale, how much
Speaker 3: more bake can I throw you?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 2: Let me get that. But yeah, it was an awesome time.
Speaker 2: And I'm sitting there thinking, like, you know, we finally
Speaker 2: get the meet and hang out and we take like
Speaker 2: you know, I do like a little snapchat, little snapchat
Speaker 2: selfie with him with the dog tongue and stuff, and
Speaker 2: he drives around the car and I just you know,
Speaker 2: have a blast. Yeah, I'm like a kid in the
Speaker 2: candy store, no question, you know. I see Dale. This
Speaker 2: the most humble human being. I like to tell you,
Speaker 2: no question about it. Mcdale has no clue that Dale's
Speaker 2: Dale right right, And I'm like, you know, screaming and stuff.
Speaker 2: You see him just driving the car, just kind of
Speaker 2: like laughing.
Speaker 1: He just seems like he's happy to give you the
Speaker 1: He's like this guy, were you really yes?
Speaker 2: What like what what?
Speaker 1: What are you nervous about? Because you see how he's
Speaker 1: on driving.
Speaker 2: We will come to the boy, the boy in the.
Speaker 1: Car, dude, you got there. You know they're in the
Speaker 1: middle of their prep for the season.
Speaker 2: Oh we were hyped up to man. There there.
Speaker 1: Are on whatever that is, right, staying healthy and just
Speaker 1: getting getting the work in. And they are getting, you know,
Speaker 1: asked to go out of their way over to do
Speaker 1: this thing.
Speaker 2: It's like a field trip. We got to miss some
Speaker 2: of the training camp.
Speaker 1: All right, I don't know that, so you know, this
Speaker 1: is the greatest thing.
Speaker 2: Keep driving so we don't have to go back.
Speaker 1: You're like, hey, good day, you're sitting there going, man.
Speaker 1: I hope they like I hope they want to be here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying, dude.
Speaker 2: But then you you went though, like ran around against Jeno, right, Yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: Josh Norman, I remember that.
Speaker 1: We're buddy, Hell, how did that you catch on him?
Speaker 1: I did?
Speaker 2: So that's back when Jo was like Jay No, Yeah,
Speaker 2: he was like that. We came off going to the
Speaker 2: playoffs the year before, went in the division. Kirk was
Speaker 2: now taking the hell, you know, leading the way at quarterbacks,
Speaker 2: so we had like it was like, you know, it
Speaker 2: was a good time to be a Washington football Teammateah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that was off script. So we were walking
Speaker 1: We're walking around. I'm just like, I don't even know
Speaker 1: where it's supposed to be, and uh, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to be out of the way, but there's no
Speaker 1: obvious place that this is out of the way and
Speaker 1: their players doing their own thing, and Josh was jesus, Josh,
Speaker 1: is are you showing the Josh thing? This is me
Speaker 1: and Josh Norman.
Speaker 2: Do you remember that? I bet he thought you were
Speaker 2: an asshole. Dude.
Speaker 1: I'm like, who's Josh Norman? I was, I was kind
Speaker 1: of bush to you.
Speaker 2: What's he doing?
Speaker 1: After this? Yeah, well we were so this this thing.
Speaker 1: We were in four minute drill at the end of
Speaker 1: the game.
Speaker 3: This is like the game like it was like December
Speaker 3: twenty third, was like Christmas time, and what's the upset for? Well, okay,
Speaker 3: so Josh, so we did four minute drill. Obviously in
Speaker 3: the game, I did their bone arrow. I know, That's
Speaker 3: why I trying to make this thing. And then they
Speaker 3: So Derek runs the ball left, smart move, gets a
Speaker 3: few yards and Josh tackles him and Gator rolls his
Speaker 3: leg and I'm not like, like, listen, Derek's my boy.
Speaker 3: But even if Derek wasn't my boy, like the we're
Speaker 3: not going to play those types of games. So I
Speaker 3: go up getting Josh's face and uh, we kind of
Speaker 3: go at it for a little bit. We end up
Speaker 3: winning the game on like a pick six. It was
Speaker 3: like a I think Butler picked it off and ran
Speaker 3: it in when we didn't need to. It was like
Speaker 3: fifteen seconds left in the game. So, like, Josh's mouthing
Speaker 3: off to me, and I just belined for the silence.
Speaker 3: He's sitting there, Josh, he looks at me. I go
Speaker 3: get the fuck off my field, dude, and he like
Speaker 3: he's like, what was that? And I kind of put
Speaker 3: it back again and he threw his helmet at me.
Speaker 3: Didn't move, baller move and the thing goes right by
Speaker 3: me and he slaps my hand. You obviously saw the
Speaker 3: video aster that slaps my hand and all that. But
Speaker 3: we've tried to get him on the pod a couple
Speaker 3: of times, Like, to me, everything on the field is
Speaker 3: like it's all everything's a show in my hands, Like
Speaker 3: we're just we're playing football, where this is entertainment, Like
Speaker 3: I want to beat you up. You want to be
Speaker 3: up with this after it's over, I I don't care,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. So we get into it,
Speaker 3: but that he was definitely pretty upset about that. And
Speaker 3: then this year he's playing for the Bills and then
Speaker 3: Derek did we did him. He flew through the air.
Speaker 3: That man is still in the air of the day.
Speaker 1: This day was that boom do Do Do doo and
Speaker 1: he's like still floating off. That's awesome. You guys are
Speaker 1: you guys had a little deal there. That's nice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm happy for you too.
Speaker 3: No, I'm not being judged, it's just it's just interesting
Speaker 3: to get the perspective of other people because I don't know,
Speaker 3: I feel like we'll was probably super nervous to meet
Speaker 3: you too getting in there.
Speaker 2: Oh dude, I was fired up, like up, yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean I was a little nervous, but I was like
Speaker 2: fired up too, just just like I wasn't like a
Speaker 2: big Nascar guy growing up, but knowing like Dale Junior,
Speaker 2: like you just know Dale Junior, just the name Dr Junior,
Speaker 2: and you know people like Dobson and a couple like
Speaker 2: family members back home that are like, you know, love Nascar,
Speaker 2: like love Dale Junior. So I'm like stoked to show
Speaker 2: dob I'm like, dude, check this ship out. And uh
Speaker 2: but yeah, I was. I was like fired up to
Speaker 2: meet him. I'm like, yeah, I'm about to ride in
Speaker 2: a fucking car with Dale and our junior. Now we're
Speaker 2: drinking a beer on the bus for the second time. Yeah, bro,
Speaker 2: it's beautiful. That's awesome.
Speaker 1: I love that. It's all I had.
Speaker 2: Even looked away. You're like, that's awesome.
Speaker 3: We just want to celebrate our friendship. Yeah, it's beautiful.
Speaker 3: It's nice to be a part of, just to be
Speaker 3: around it. It's like it's uh, it's infectious. It's infectious.
Speaker 1: Exactly what you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, anybody Dobson, you guys been back there, I'm sure time.
Speaker 1: He was all right, let's do this. I've kind of
Speaker 1: got two questions. We'll start with the first one.
Speaker 4: Okay, So I didn't really grew up like I mean,
Speaker 4: I'm twenty two, So your dad wasn't really alive like
Speaker 4: when I could remember racing. But I was listening to
Speaker 4: the Ty Norris episode of him talking about the most
Speaker 4: Popular Driver award? What kept your dad from winning that?
Speaker 1: Like for so long?
Speaker 4: Like people now, I mean know your dad, but they
Speaker 4: don't know Bill Elliott. He was the one who was
Speaker 4: winning that award way back then.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Bill. So the most Popular Driver award
Speaker 1: when dad was alive went to Bill Elliott. He won
Speaker 1: it sixteen times. I think he holds the record. And
Speaker 1: Bill's popular now.
Speaker 2: He was.
Speaker 1: He was a popular driver without a doubt.
Speaker 2: But the.
Speaker 1: You know, I can say this, I think without being
Speaker 1: too disrespectful, but we always felt like that they had
Speaker 1: bots before bots were bots, right, they had a hm,
Speaker 1: I'll be I think, you know, to be clear, what
Speaker 1: it was is that they organized like that. You know,
Speaker 1: when the vote was going on, you had to vote
Speaker 1: through an old news letter and his fan club would
Speaker 1: organize and be like, all right, everybody's that time of year,
Speaker 1: let's go get get you get your votes in, right,
Speaker 1: And you know Dad didn't do that. Dad didn't like
Speaker 1: all right, everybody, it's that time of year, let's vote
Speaker 1: for me and his uh and Bill would win it
Speaker 1: without fail. Every year he would win it. And in
Speaker 1: my opinion, uh, you know, if you polled NASCAR fans
Speaker 1: and you know Dad was more popular, argue it's arguable, right,
Speaker 1: it's absolutely a debatable thing. But in my mind, he
Speaker 1: was absolutely a bigger star, much more you know, mainstream
Speaker 1: outside the NASCAR bubble kind of guy could you know,
Speaker 1: was in films and and would cameo here and there.
Speaker 1: And but Bill won the award every year and they organized,
Speaker 1: you know he is fan club and and Dawsonville, the
Speaker 1: city where he's from. They got everybody on board when
Speaker 1: it was time to get the job done. And he
Speaker 1: would never lose that award. And it was it was
Speaker 1: something I don't know that Bill was actively out there
Speaker 1: going I need this. Yeah, they have PR teams back then. Yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: so that that it was there were there were the
Speaker 1: right people knew that it was good for Bill to
Speaker 1: win that award, right, and so they organized and helped
Speaker 1: make that happen. And you know, I don't think, you know,
Speaker 1: it was any illegal or wrong. I don't think they
Speaker 1: did anything wrong, but they just were, you know, they
Speaker 1: were very dedicated to getting that year after year after years.
Speaker 1: Good questions, Sach, it was your dad, if your dad
Speaker 1: was the timidator, what was was it?
Speaker 2: Bill?
Speaker 1: Bill's nickname was Awesome Bill from.
Speaker 5: Dawsonville, Awesomeville from Dawsonville, Austville, George, Hey, listen, put there
Speaker 5: one everywhere Awesome Bill from Dawsonville. That's tough, Like listen,
Speaker 5: as a casual, casual fan, I don't know who that is.
Speaker 1: Sure, you know, you gotta refrain, you gotta frame this
Speaker 1: in the eighties, you know, awesome you know the it was.
Speaker 1: It sounded absolutely spot on in the eighties, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: Awesome Bill from dos Mill. That's people.
Speaker 3: It's got a nice jingle to it, right, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: today it might not sound quite as might not it
Speaker 3: sounds dated.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that name is getting drugg on.
Speaker 1: A little round table.
Speaker 3: And like, hey, let's take a nickname for Dale. And
Speaker 3: you said Awesome Dale from wherever he's from, I'd say, hey, well,
Speaker 3: you gotta leave the room.
Speaker 2: You're fired.
Speaker 3: Get him out of here right now. Yeah, the intiminary
Speaker 3: lives on forever. I suppose that name is awesome. I suppose, man,
Speaker 3: I feel I feel like I have to I feel
Speaker 3: like I have to.
Speaker 2: Have bills back. I mean, yeah, yeah, I get you.
Speaker 1: Yuh yeah, yeah, you guys. Everybody shoots honest and everybody
Speaker 1: shoots straight in here. But I think that, you know,
Speaker 1: it was in the eighties. It like seemed to make
Speaker 1: sense right.
Speaker 2: Here in the eighties, right coming coming after you know,
Speaker 2: the seventies.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, in like the eighties, Like even if you
Speaker 3: look at the movies like Friday, like Friday the thirteenth,
Speaker 3: it's like no, no, no, and like they have like
Speaker 3: the thirteen and it's like probably a swing and a
Speaker 3: miss now right, that's like you can you do that
Speaker 3: on any computer?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Exactly, that's true.
Speaker 1: Exactly. Yeah, I see what you're saying, getting this.
Speaker 2: To the other side. Keep getting us to the other side,
Speaker 2: being like that is a badass name.
Speaker 1: That is nice. Yeah that I think about it, whatever
Speaker 1: whenever I want. That's a lot from me yesterday.
Speaker 2: Zach also brought up that you had a funny story
Speaker 2: for accepting the award of your dad. I did. Uh.
Speaker 1: So the banquet at that time was in New York City,
Speaker 1: and my dad is passed away earlier the year before,
Speaker 1: and Bill Elliott bowed out of the voting that year
Speaker 1: and said, do not vote for me, really, And so
Speaker 1: Dad won it after you know, that year after his
Speaker 1: death he goes and so at the banquet, they have
Speaker 1: a dinner or breakfast the day before the morning of,
Speaker 1: and they give away these special awards, right, and that
Speaker 1: one of them is the most Popular Driver award, And Dads,
Speaker 1: they want me to accept the award for Dad. Right
Speaker 1: the night before, I'm hanging out in the lobby or
Speaker 1: in the hotel somewhere at the water for Astoria and
Speaker 1: Kenny Strader and a couple other guys, the race car
Speaker 1: drivers peers are my dad's and they're like uncles to me. Right,
Speaker 1: they're they're they old enough to be my dad, and
Speaker 1: they treat me like I'm their son. And they're like, Hey,
Speaker 1: we're going to Hogs and heffersh tonight the meatpacking district.
Speaker 1: You gotta go with us Dogs and Haffirst. Yeah, at
Speaker 1: a strip club. What is that now? It's a drinking
Speaker 1: it's dogs and that place sounds awesome. It was amazing
Speaker 1: in the meatpacking district in New York City. So that's
Speaker 1: all I remember. I don't yeah, I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's still there, but I don't think it is. But anyways,
Speaker 1: I it was a tradition for them every year, and
Speaker 1: so I'm like, sure, I'm wherever you're going, I'm going.
Speaker 1: I love you guys. I can't believe you asked me.
Speaker 1: And so I go and we drank, and I said
Speaker 1: at the bar, and the bar's closing or they're leaving.
Speaker 1: It's one of two in the morning. They're leaving and
Speaker 1: they're like, hey man, let's go. And I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna stay and thought that was a great idea. And
Speaker 1: so around six o'clock in the morning, the bartender's closing
Speaker 1: and and she's like, hey man, let me get your cab.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, I guess so, and she's like,
Speaker 1: where are you staying. I said, I'm sending to the
Speaker 1: water Story. So the cab sent me home at six
Speaker 1: o'clock and the banquet, the breakfast for the Most Popular
Speaker 1: Driver award, is at eight o'clock. I go upstairs and
Speaker 1: climb in the bed, and I mean, I am hammered.
Speaker 2: And so.
Speaker 1: The general manager for DEI, my dad's company, ty Norris,
Speaker 1: comes up there and he's like, hey, the bankt or
Speaker 1: the breakfast is happening. Come on, and I'm like, I
Speaker 1: ain't going down there, fucking that, I'm not doing it.
Speaker 1: He's like, no, you got to go do it. This
Speaker 1: is your dad's award. And he's like, I'm like, I
Speaker 1: always got to accept everything for him, you know. Ever
Speaker 1: since he's passed away, I got to go up there
Speaker 1: and get all the things, and everybody wanted to honor
Speaker 1: him and acknowledge him for right or wrong. I got
Speaker 1: frustrated with it. Right, I probably should have been thrilled
Speaker 1: and absolutely honored to do every single thing, but I wasn't,
Speaker 1: and I didn't take it that way, and I didn't
Speaker 1: do it right or wrong. But so I'm like, screw that.
Speaker 1: I'm tired of doing this. I ain't going down there.
Speaker 1: And obviously i'm I'm I'm drunk. I'm not thinking correctly,
Speaker 1: and that's probably weighing a lot on this whole thing.
Speaker 1: So Ty says, you do what you want to do.
Speaker 1: But you're gonna regret this ship for the rest of
Speaker 1: your life. Your dad's never won this award, and you're
Speaker 1: only one person can accept it for him, and that's you.
Speaker 1: And he turned around and walked out, and I got
Speaker 1: up and ran and I said, hey, hey, he's heading
Speaker 1: down the hall, Like wait, all right, I'll give a
Speaker 1: shit on. Yeah. So I put on a suit and
Speaker 1: I walked down there and walked up on that stage.
Speaker 1: When they called, you know, when they said, you know,
Speaker 1: they presented, I walked in there. They've been holding off, like,
Speaker 1: put this award goes, you know, goes earlier in the set, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: So they're putting this off, putting this off, and finally
Speaker 1: I walk in the room and they're like, okay, he's here,
Speaker 1: do the award. And so the award happens, and I
Speaker 1: go up there and and I don't remember anything about it,
Speaker 1: but Ty said I spoke well and that is awesome.
Speaker 1: I oh, that's so walked off the stage, right back
Speaker 1: to the double door exit and right back up to
Speaker 1: the room. Tore all the ship. Good thing he did that, man,
Speaker 1: that's awesome.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: I'm glad I did. I would probably that would be
Speaker 1: something that'd be something you'd regret.
Speaker 2: I love how you just turned around and walked out,
Speaker 2: just set the scene.
Speaker 1: Good for him. It was good, is thatch? Was that
Speaker 1: your second question?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: So this is uh.
Speaker 4: I guess more or less athlete mindset. And maybe Taylor
Speaker 4: and Will can relate to this, but they may not
Speaker 4: know this, but you went on a four year losing streak.
Speaker 4: You what was your mentality like during the middle of
Speaker 4: those four years where you were just not winning.
Speaker 1: Like I was going I was saying to my I
Speaker 1: was saying to only a very very few individuals that
Speaker 1: I wanted to quit, like this is miserable, this sucks.
Speaker 1: I don't want to do this anymore. How can I
Speaker 1: end this? How can I get out of this? How
Speaker 1: can I stop this? I just don't want to And
Speaker 1: I didn't have the I didn't say it to like
Speaker 1: my car owner, Rick Hendrick, or my team because I
Speaker 1: was I knew one that I wasn't being honest with myself,
Speaker 1: and obviously I didn't want to destroy the relationship. Rick
Speaker 1: wasn't giving up on me as an owner. He gave
Speaker 1: me a whole lot longer leash than he gave other guys. Right,
Speaker 1: so he because he you know, if other guys didn't
Speaker 1: get their stuff together and run, well, he sent them
Speaker 1: down the road. And he hung on to me for
Speaker 1: way longer than that, right, And I knew that, And uh,
Speaker 1: there was part of me that was thinking, if I
Speaker 1: keep coming back, it'll it'll turn around, right, It's got
Speaker 1: to turn around. But they're in there, you know. In
Speaker 1: some of the toughest moments, you're just like, I want
Speaker 1: to disappear. Even if I regret this and I just
Speaker 1: feel like a failure, I'll just I'll just fade in.
Speaker 1: I'll fade into the beach somewhere and nobody will ever
Speaker 1: have to worry about it. I'm glad I didn't, right,
Speaker 1: I'm glad I didn't take that. That would have been
Speaker 1: the easy, cheap way to do it. But uh, I
Speaker 1: was glad I stuck it out. We got back to
Speaker 1: winning some races and had some things to enjoy, you know,
Speaker 1: at the back end of the career, and that was
Speaker 1: really really good. Steve Gatart came in and yeah, brought
Speaker 1: a whole right, So yeah, is that who's that? Who
Speaker 1: you say, Steve Latart, that was the crew chief that
Speaker 1: came in. I changed crewchiefs. Yeah, I changed crechief pivot,
Speaker 1: so I changed crew chiefs. So things were bad. Four
Speaker 1: year losing streak. Not a no, not a threat. Right,
Speaker 1: And people in the garage and you know, you know, uh,
Speaker 1: guys on teams that are that you may even look
Speaker 1: at like this, but they're not a threat, never gonna
Speaker 1: be anything you gotta worry about, right, They're not any
Speaker 1: They're not competition to you. And you thought you reviewed
Speaker 1: that way. Yeah, and the ground, it's gotta be a
Speaker 1: tough feeling to have God.
Speaker 2: Especially for like four years. You're like, what am I doing?
Speaker 1: So I changed crew chiefs. And this guy that came in,
Speaker 1: his name Steve Latart. He was kind of kind of
Speaker 1: rejected by the driver that was driving for him a
Speaker 1: little bit. At least he viewed it as I'm not
Speaker 1: wanted by this guy. And he came to me and
Speaker 1: he said, I think me and you were both looking
Speaker 1: at our last chance. He said to you, yeah, and
Speaker 1: he's like, we're gonna do this and we're gonna make
Speaker 1: it work, or you know, if you don't do what
Speaker 1: I need you to do, then it ain't gonna work.
Speaker 1: And so he's he looked at my approach and my
Speaker 1: prep and said, you know you're gonna need to be
Speaker 1: at the truck an hour before before practice starts. I
Speaker 1: was just showing up right on time before. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was good enough. And he's like, I need you there
Speaker 1: an hour early. I need you to stay as late
Speaker 1: as I need you, whether it's four hours, ten hours,
Speaker 1: whatever it is. You just don't leave till I tell
Speaker 1: you you're clear. And he just had all these rules
Speaker 1: and I never had anybody place that in front of me.
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, all right, if it's my
Speaker 1: last chance and it's your last chance, I'll follow every rule.
Speaker 1: I'll do everything you asked me to do. That's and dude,
Speaker 1: we did it. We got better. It took a while
Speaker 1: now as a process, but we got back to victory
Speaker 1: Lane and we won a handful of races, and day
Speaker 1: twenty five hundred, I won a Martinsville clock. I mean,
Speaker 1: we had some great years where we ran good top fives,
Speaker 1: top fives, top fives, contending every weekend. It was awesome.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. Then he caught h and then so things
Speaker 1: are at their best, right, everything's everything is amazing, right
Speaker 1: twosand and fourteen, going going into twenty fourteen. So we're
Speaker 1: in the middle of a great and we're doing good
Speaker 1: in twenty thirteen and I got a h I got
Speaker 1: a rumor. So I told me a rumor that he
Speaker 1: was going to take a broadcasting job with NBC. And
Speaker 1: I was like, how could he do that? Hell you
Speaker 1: confront of him about it?
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 1: So I got this rumor on the way into Charlotte
Speaker 1: Murder Speedway. We were racing there in May. So I've
Speaker 1: got this screwchief right, and he we we're doing well.
Speaker 1: And when we don't do well, instead of looking at
Speaker 1: me and going all right, man, I need you to
Speaker 1: try a little harder, he looked at me and he said,
Speaker 1: I got to build you a better car. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: holy shit, I've never heard that, right. I always heard
Speaker 1: that I made the mistake, or I needed to try harder.
Speaker 1: I wasn't dedicated, I wasn't focused today, never had of
Speaker 1: a guy told me the car I built you wasn't
Speaker 1: good enough for you and I got to do better.
Speaker 1: And I was like this new shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And he was a massive, awesome cheerleader, always cheer always
Speaker 1: like come on, man, we can do it. Come on.
Speaker 1: Standing there always cracking the whip. Come on, come on,
Speaker 1: we can do it. You know, if you're talking, you
Speaker 1: know you're hearing your hearing this over the radio. It's
Speaker 1: pumping you up every race. Anyways, you know, he's taking
Speaker 1: this job as a broadcaster, and I was devastated, and so,
Speaker 1: uh we ended up. Uh, you know, I go to
Speaker 1: him and I'm like, dude, I heard this thing, and
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, I wanted to tell you, but you know,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. You sorry, the rumor got to you before
Speaker 1: I could get to you. Yeah, I told you himself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so we ended up doing his final year twenty fourteen.
Speaker 2: We won.
Speaker 1: I have four races maybe something like that. And uh,
Speaker 1: then he went into TV, and so I raced a
Speaker 1: few more years and had some more fun. And then
Speaker 1: when I got ready to retire, I went to the
Speaker 1: booth where he works. Really yeah, I said, hey, man,
Speaker 1: you cool. If I come to the booth, they're offering
Speaker 1: me this job. He's like, come on, yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 1: Now we're back.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 1: I'd love to hear that for sure.
Speaker 3: Those two years after he left, was there like a
Speaker 3: nervousness transition like that support systems kind of gone.
Speaker 1: Nope, So we had there was there was this prospect,
Speaker 1: prospect Greg guy'es was his name. He's a crew chief,
Speaker 1: bright engineering mind. And I talked to Steve and I said, okay,
Speaker 1: I said, man, you're leaving me. You got one job
Speaker 1: outside of us going through this final year together. You
Speaker 1: got one damn job. Like every time there's a void
Speaker 1: in this team, you don't try to just feel it.
Speaker 1: You try to put a better person in that position.
Speaker 1: If we lose a guy for whatever reason, he either
Speaker 1: gets fired because he doesn't do his job, or he
Speaker 1: gets hired by somebody else, you always try to bring
Speaker 1: in somebody that's even better. It's not you. You never
Speaker 1: bring in a guy that's the same or worse. Right.
Speaker 1: You always anytime you have an opportunity to fill that void.
Speaker 1: I said, now it's your turn to fill your own void. Dude.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like, find me that guy that's better than you.
Speaker 1: I was like, here's all the names. I'm here, and
Speaker 1: here's here's the people that we could go after. And
Speaker 1: he's like, that's the guy right away. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: I like that guy too. I'm glad you feel that way.
Speaker 1: That's cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that that's hard transitioning from anybody, but
Speaker 3: just having having the sports system and yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 1: He was so cool about that. And that's one of
Speaker 1: the tough things about I don't know if that's one
Speaker 1: of the tough things about life is learning that not
Speaker 1: you know, you're gonna fall in love with people, You're
Speaker 1: gonna make these amazing friendships with people, whether it's your wife,
Speaker 1: your best friend, your dad, your your your cousin, your
Speaker 1: your buddy from high school. But none of that stuff
Speaker 1: lasts forever. That was such a hard lesson to learn,
Speaker 1: and it's still not easy to to take right. I mean,
Speaker 1: I I had this guy that was like a grandfather
Speaker 1: to me when I first started racing, and we had
Speaker 1: to split up because of for me to learn more
Speaker 1: about my cars, I needed to work on them, and
Speaker 1: that meant him drying an hour to work every day.
Speaker 1: And he's like, I'm not driving an hour to work
Speaker 1: because the cars were at his shop, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I need to work on them every day. I need
Speaker 1: I can't drive, you know, I can't go down there.
Speaker 1: He's like, we just had to split and it was
Speaker 1: it was like a death man like because he was
Speaker 1: like a granddad to me, I love this man, and
Speaker 1: uh and and and I think, you know, splitting with
Speaker 1: Steve at that time. Those are difficult things to deal
Speaker 1: with in life, but you got to realize that nothing
Speaker 1: lasts forever. Nothing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, that is that is so true too. It's
Speaker 2: like sometimes like just think about like almost being done
Speaker 2: with ball, like damn, like this chapter that you've worked,
Speaker 2: you know, up to twenty three years to play it.
Speaker 2: You know, a sport that you you know, you know
Speaker 2: the average career is light, and then to play and
Speaker 2: then you know, now you know, like it's almost final
Speaker 2: and over, regardless if I want it to be or not.
Speaker 2: It's just crazy to think, like you know, something you
Speaker 2: think is going to be forever, knowing that it's not,
Speaker 2: and then it's finally here at the finish line or
Speaker 2: you know it is. It is nuts. And then friendships,
Speaker 2: like you know, Taylor was mentioning it on you were
Speaker 2: talking about like seasonal stuff, Like it's just crazy.
Speaker 3: That these friends in your life are like seasons. Like
Speaker 3: you there has this big vertical leap and you're like, God,
Speaker 3: this guy's the best. Then for whatever reason, it kind
Speaker 3: of just fizzles out. But then you make like two
Speaker 3: or three that are like lifetime friends.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course. The best are the ones where you
Speaker 1: might not hear from them for a long time, but
Speaker 1: you can pick it right back up. That's how me
Speaker 1: and my high school are. Man, they don't give you that,
Speaker 1: They don't give you that that feeling of that vibe
Speaker 1: that man.
Speaker 2: You should have stayed in touch the whole time.
Speaker 1: Why haven't you been calling me? Yeah, they're just like
Speaker 1: glad to hear from you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got a buddy who can get off the
Speaker 3: phone with and a month later call back and pick
Speaker 3: up on the same conversation.
Speaker 1: Those are the Those are the ones that last forever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's awesome.
Speaker 2: The boys when you when.
Speaker 3: You were talking about your dad and like kind of
Speaker 3: always wanting him to give you that that approval, and
Speaker 3: like when you start racing, you started to see that.
Speaker 3: You guys, when he went from preaching to okay, you're
Speaker 3: kind of working together as a tutoring when he did
Speaker 3: pass away, Where were you guys at in your relationship?
Speaker 1: Was it really everything you wanted it to be? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was amazing. I was uh.
Speaker 2: We I was this? Uh I was this.
Speaker 1: I don't know how to put this into words and
Speaker 1: articulate just right. But man, he was looking at me like,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be part of the future of my business, right,
Speaker 1: I mean it had to be. I had won, uh
Speaker 1: you know, over a dozen races in the Xfinity Series,
Speaker 1: two championships back to back, and was moving into the
Speaker 1: Cup Series, had won the All Star Race as a rookie,
Speaker 1: won at Texas and Richmond, and I had this potential, right,
Speaker 1: I had this this uh, this this prospect of success.
Speaker 1: And he was building this brand new race team to
Speaker 1: to be the best, to be best in the business.
Speaker 1: They called the shop the garage, Ma Hall. Let me
Speaker 1: you know, this whole thing was just big. This whole
Speaker 1: dream envision of his was really becoming a reality. Dad
Speaker 1: could walk into the garage up to the best motor builder,
Speaker 1: no matter who he worked for, and say I want
Speaker 1: to talk to you about coming to work for me,
Speaker 1: and that guy would more than likely say I got
Speaker 1: time to talk to you, you know he would. That
Speaker 1: person was never going to say good where I'm at? Yeah,
Speaker 1: thanks deal. They were always gonna think about it. Consider it.
Speaker 1: That was dyl Earnhardt asking him to come to his
Speaker 1: and he was going to take them and spend as
Speaker 1: long as it took to convince them that this was
Speaker 1: the future and they were a part of it. And
Speaker 1: he was just amazing at that. And so what I
Speaker 1: guess I'm getting at is that he had he was
Speaker 1: going to absolutely build one of the best race teams
Speaker 1: that this sport would ever see, most successful race teams
Speaker 1: that this sport was ever would ever see. He had
Speaker 1: the ability to get all of the people that he
Speaker 1: needed to build the best, fastest race cars and you
Speaker 1: weren't going to beat them. And uh And I think
Speaker 1: that he was looking at me as a corner piece
Speaker 1: to that puzzle. You know that those are the ones
Speaker 1: that you put on the table first, yeah, right to
Speaker 1: build it. And I think he was looking at me
Speaker 1: as like one of those more of the key pieces
Speaker 1: that was going to be part of the future. That's awesome.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you guys build puzzles, but I'm
Speaker 1: the I'm the corner piece. Yeah, I get this usually
Speaker 1: to the throne, as you know, as a dad of
Speaker 1: a three year over doing the puzzles. Yeah, that Legs
Speaker 1: were trying to teach her about the corners and like
Speaker 1: get the corners out, and both of you you do
Speaker 1: the corners and then the outside. That's right.
Speaker 2: Listen, both of you are fathers of two daughters.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have two daughters. Hold it they now three
Speaker 3: and eight months. Gosh, I have mine just turned four,
Speaker 3: and they have one that's certain one.
Speaker 1: In a week. Yeah, it's awesome.
Speaker 3: It's it is awesome. It's it's definitely. It's cool to
Speaker 3: see their different personalities. You have one, you're like, okay,
Speaker 3: they're all like this, right, and when you have the
Speaker 3: next one, like, listen, this is way different, you know,
Speaker 3: but it's very cool being a dead That's awesome.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy how different they look. You'd think, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not. This is different for every parent. Some parents
Speaker 1: their kids do look similar. But they these two that
Speaker 1: I got, man, they appear to be complete opposites. And
Speaker 1: their whole vibe they give off is not the same. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and uh but it's fun and it's good and but
Speaker 1: it's so challenging to try to my three year old
Speaker 1: and and you're probably dealing with this too. Is pushing
Speaker 1: the buttons, right, and she's she's testing our limits, and
Speaker 1: uh boy, she says some things that she doesn't know
Speaker 1: are rude, right, Get out of that is the hardest thing.
Speaker 2: I saw Taylor's oldest win almost choked Taylor to death.
Speaker 2: I remember that she didn't want to get out of
Speaker 2: the pool.
Speaker 3: She's like screaming, it's tough, man, because yeah, I mean
Speaker 3: my childhood wasn't the best and so like for me,
Speaker 3: it's like, I want to make sure that you guys
Speaker 3: have everything you need without being spoiled and also appreciate
Speaker 3: the things you have. And it's just you just don't
Speaker 3: want to You just don't want to be like that kid.
Speaker 3: Whatever the in that situation is, that's kind of act
Speaker 3: like that. And so teaching them that conference, like what
Speaker 3: you're saying is is when they just say things to
Speaker 3: you and they're it's so rude, but they don't know
Speaker 3: it's rude, and like I'll be talking to I'll be like,
Speaker 3: stop talking, yes, dude, go ahead.
Speaker 1: So I went in i was room the other day
Speaker 1: and and uh She's laying in there and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm like, uh, hey, you're good. She's like get out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I'm like you're three, Yeah, what the hell.
Speaker 3: You're like nine twelve, Yeah, get out of my room, dad,
Speaker 3: But she's three and saying get out of here, and
Speaker 3: the most random things will be so mean to you,
Speaker 3: and then the next minute they'll like kind of crawl over, yeah,
Speaker 3: snug on you a little bit and turn around just
Speaker 3: give you a kiss, and you're.
Speaker 1: Like, that's all right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my kids are awesome. I'm gonna be definitely be
Speaker 3: that dad when they start doing stuff like see what
Speaker 3: my kid did?
Speaker 2: He always to having them what they did there? I
Speaker 2: always got the video on your phone videos.
Speaker 1: Do you wish you had a boy? No, because I
Speaker 1: so I was thinking about my own life, thinking about
Speaker 1: growing up, and you know, the thinking about growing up
Speaker 1: in my dad's house and how much people expected and thought, Man,
Speaker 1: you know, you're just automatically gonna be this rock star
Speaker 1: race car driver. I'm just gonna you know, you're gonna
Speaker 1: follow right in your dad's footsteps and do everything he
Speaker 1: did and more. And I might not have been as
Speaker 1: self aware of all that when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: but I definitely wouldn't want to have to watch my
Speaker 1: son be a subject to that, right, And so I
Speaker 1: didn't want a son. I wanted to I wanted another
Speaker 1: girl the second time. If it was going to be
Speaker 1: a boy, I was gonna do what you know, I
Speaker 1: was it was gonna be fine, but I'm selfish and
Speaker 1: it's always gonna be fine. Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's almost like there's some other option, like, you know,
Speaker 2: that's what I'm going to be.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to make that clear. I because people aren't
Speaker 1: supposed to wish for one of the just you know,
Speaker 1: want a healthy baby, right, and so I feel I
Speaker 1: feel okay, So my wife is badass, and my little
Speaker 1: my first girl is giving me all this love, right,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, damn, I'll take some one of this.
Speaker 1: This is great, right. My whole house just bubbling over
Speaker 1: with you know, it's pouring out the windows right just
Speaker 1: uh you know, and I think a little boy would
Speaker 1: come in there and just be like Tasmanian devil, right yeah,
Speaker 1: and just creating all kinds of difficulties.
Speaker 2: But would you name them in the third.
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Hell no, And so damn don't think it easy. I'm
Speaker 2: the third note.
Speaker 1: No, hell no, that'd be awesome.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 3: The junior is the thing that's like, all right, well
Speaker 3: you get it going, yeah, get it. It's like, oh,
Speaker 3: I felt.
Speaker 2: That paintings hanging in on some royalty water.
Speaker 1: Mustaches. It was the first to say, yeah, I was
Speaker 1: worried that I would screw up the boy that I would.
Speaker 1: I felt like that I wasn't parent material in terms
Speaker 1: of being able to treat teach them uh right and
Speaker 1: wrong and manners. And I don't have that. In my mind,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking I don't have that ability. I'm not a parent.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm never parented. I'm probably going to be pretty bad
Speaker 1: as everybody before they have their first Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm looking at my wife, going, now, she's got it,
Speaker 3: even though she's probably sitting there going, I don't got it.
Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm doing. I'm looking at everyone.
Speaker 1: She knows what she's doing.
Speaker 3: And she can keep these girls in line because she
Speaker 3: knows girls, right. I don't and and and I can't
Speaker 3: screw these girls up. She's Amy's not going to allow it, right,
Speaker 3: She's gonna raise two perfectly amazing girls, and I will have.
Speaker 1: Nothing to do with it. If not, it's on her,
Speaker 1: you know. Well, But boy, it was no, There was no.
Speaker 1: It was sure to be a mess. That was the
Speaker 1: way I had it in my head. I hear you,
Speaker 1: that is absolutely not the reality of the situation. But
Speaker 1: that's like, in my mind that's the way I think.
Speaker 1: I think I'm weird. Do you think your patients have
Speaker 1: gotten a lot better? Like for me, whenever my kids
Speaker 1: like I'm coming at me, Yeah, they have. Whenever my
Speaker 1: kids coming at me, my first go to you thought
Speaker 1: is like, how do I handle the situation so you're
Speaker 1: not traumatized for the rest of your life?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, How do I handle this
Speaker 3: situation the right way? My patients have gotten a whole
Speaker 3: lot better.
Speaker 1: I mean I've I have gotten to the point to
Speaker 1: where like Ilah is trying to do something and I'm like,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna bother me, Like you're trying to get
Speaker 1: me upset, You're trying to trigger me, You're trying to
Speaker 1: get this reaction out of me. And I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: not bothered by what you're doing right there and keep
Speaker 1: it on going, right, And So I think I have
Speaker 1: I didn't have that in year one, year one and
Speaker 1: a half two, but I've I've kind of I used
Speaker 1: to let her bother me. Man, she could hurt my feelings.
Speaker 1: My little two year old could bother hurt my feelings,
Speaker 1: like my wife, right, And I'm like, what I think
Speaker 1: it's almost worse than your two year old does it.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, how are you able to have that
Speaker 1: power over me? And so like you work that out?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: I finally, for the most part, work that out. Now,
Speaker 1: she's gonna have new tools. You know, they get older,
Speaker 1: they come at you with new things. They say that
Speaker 1: they're like, wait, that that hurts that that's a new one.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh, and we'll we'll deal with that when
Speaker 1: it happens. But it's, uh, you know, it's it's interesting.
Speaker 1: I'm hands on, man. I take out of the school,
Speaker 1: pick her up from school. Like when Amy, when we
Speaker 1: had our second one. That first year, I was I was.
Speaker 1: My job was taking care of Isla. Get her up,
Speaker 1: get her dressed, get her to school, pick her up
Speaker 1: from school, spend the rest of the day with her,
Speaker 1: get her breath, theater, you know, get her bath, get
Speaker 1: her teeth brush, get her back in bed. I mean, boom,
Speaker 1: boom boom. Every day I'm down. I wanted to change diapersion,
Speaker 1: I dove right in, did all the things. Once you
Speaker 1: get the diaper thing down, it's kind of like it's
Speaker 1: kind of easy done to it. Yeah, tech, I know,
Speaker 1: one day I got you with Bear. Yeah, we'll started
Speaker 1: doing the whole thing.
Speaker 2: Going DoD You got a question, It's been the longest
Speaker 2: pot we might have ever done rightfully, So I mean
Speaker 2: this is what we needed, like Dale on the you
Speaker 2: know the Dale bus. I know, what do you think
Speaker 2: of the bus? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Like you know, I was honored like that y'all chose
Speaker 1: to do your pod in this bus was really cool
Speaker 1: to me. That's awesome.
Speaker 2: It was when he got here. I asked him like,
Speaker 2: what do you think. He's like, it's cool, man. I'm
Speaker 2: thinking like, come on.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, this is your number, this is your cool.
Speaker 3: Thing is is like we didn't paint this like this.
Speaker 3: This is Yeah, there's a story about this bus. I've
Speaker 3: come across five or six different people. It's like, oh yeah,
Speaker 3: my buddy's on that bus, and then somebody else's buddy.
Speaker 3: I think it's been around forever, you understand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Coffy, good deal.
Speaker 1: I think Trader probably yeah, I'm drinking buddy.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you guys cool, he flew out here. He's
Speaker 2: going to hang out with a buddy afterwards.
Speaker 3: Trader is the one that drugged in New York. There
Speaker 3: it is finest strip club and of me or it's
Speaker 3: not a strip. You want to listen, it's not a shrip.
Speaker 2: Do you want to know?
Speaker 1: What was crazy about that? Is like, we're in the
Speaker 1: middle of New York City and and and dive, and
Speaker 1: they had vastcar crashes looped on all the TVs. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, I never thought this, this is what I
Speaker 1: would see. I was like, this is the best bar
Speaker 1: in the world. And I thought it would be in
Speaker 1: like Talladega, Alabama, or Daytona Beach, Florida. But it's in
Speaker 1: New York City. How cool is that? Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 1: It was pretty awesome. I love that. Sit there and
Speaker 1: watch that all day drinking beer and I love that.
Speaker 2: I love how much you love beer on a loop?
Speaker 1: Yeah, drink I watched.
Speaker 2: Yeah he did only drink two beers, but we were.
Speaker 1: Only on your little trick. I hear, what was that?
Speaker 1: So you're college boys, right, y'all drink playing beer in college?
Speaker 2: Huh?
Speaker 1: You've never seen that? No, So this is so when
Speaker 1: you drink a lot, you don't drop it, see that.
Speaker 1: And also, so it's a grip you're creating. Also speeds
Speaker 1: the float up out.
Speaker 2: Of the beer.
Speaker 1: Oh, if you want to speed the flu a little Okay,
Speaker 1: here we go, just give a little flush. And then
Speaker 1: you got to yeah, I ain't doing that that like beer,
Speaker 1: Well you're going to lose a thumb.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say, I might get caught.
Speaker 1: Come on, yeah, don't try that, don't. I don't do
Speaker 1: that right here, because absolutely gonna cut your thumb off.
Speaker 1: He just starts bleeding everywhere, just starts gushing. Give that
Speaker 1: a go. One day I saw a guy I went
Speaker 1: to hang with my sister. I was fifteen, sixteen years old,
Speaker 1: and I drove down to her college at Wilmington and
Speaker 1: set around a table drinking, playing President and Assholes with him.
Speaker 1: What's president? Assholes? Nobody's ever heard of president?
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe back then?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there's another no questions king?
Speaker 1: Okay, oh yeah, circle of death. Well there was a
Speaker 1: we call it President and Assholes. There's an asshole in
Speaker 1: there as a president.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And there was this guy ditting his cans and he
Speaker 1: was like, so I can count how many I've had
Speaker 1: at the end of the night. But he's also telling
Speaker 1: me about the flow.
Speaker 2: And he doesn't drop behind.
Speaker 1: It does help with the flow. I don't understand that
Speaker 1: you have to try it to see it. But the
Speaker 1: beer flows over the Okay, Tony's back there, He's just
Speaker 1: the beer goes.
Speaker 2: Over, the.
Speaker 1: Beer goes over the hunk, and then can right here?
Speaker 2: Why are well? I am.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna drown. I promise it's not gonna come
Speaker 1: out so fast you can't handle it. Chuck that, chuck
Speaker 1: it the whole thing. It's too fast. It's too fast.
Speaker 2: Just to see the speed. You see the speed half
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna do a little bit.
Speaker 1: I hear the bubbling. It's already not worth it.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Man, Okay, did you hear the did
Speaker 2: you hear the bubb time? Yeah? I feel like it
Speaker 2: was kind of the same speed space.
Speaker 1: See if you vented, of course it's gonna problem. You're
Speaker 1: not gonna get You're not gonna get the I think.
Speaker 2: If you did it, I know you can't. But I
Speaker 2: feel like the best the best person to do this
Speaker 2: example is definitely him, because he could he get hold it.
Speaker 2: We could actually watch the flow.
Speaker 3: I can open the throat. I spent a little time
Speaker 3: with Juvie. It's not a big deal anyway, just kidding,
Speaker 3: I'm not kidding. I appreciate you coming on the bus.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is this is awesome.
Speaker 3: Literally, it's a lot of times you sit there with
Speaker 3: somebody new and you kind of do this around about
Speaker 3: we're trying to fee each other out. You came on
Speaker 3: you telling stories in my mouth is just open listening.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Grandpa sitting around a fire,
Speaker 2: just tell tales, war stories.
Speaker 1: And it was awesome. I've been for a long time. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm glad you guys had me on last year. And
Speaker 1: you know it's Uh, I love the bus, love what
Speaker 1: you guys are doing. I do podcasts, so I kind
Speaker 1: of keep up with what you guys are up to.
Speaker 1: We are all kind of learning from each other and
Speaker 1: taking things off each other that we like.
Speaker 2: And uh, I'll not to force ourselves on you, but
Speaker 2: you know we should probably get on the day.
Speaker 1: We'll probably come on.
Speaker 2: We could probably come on there.
Speaker 1: We also talked about in your last on the last podcast,
Speaker 1: you're on this whole western town.
Speaker 3: You have, Yes, you need to come. We're still waiting
Speaker 3: on that call. We're still I don't know how that works.
Speaker 3: You just wanting to show up at the door with
Speaker 3: a stick and you do the same thing. Hey, it's
Speaker 3: twenty four to seven. You can come whenever you want.
Speaker 3: See it feels we're right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well we just don't know him like I know you,
Speaker 1: and we'll sort it all out. Yeah, I'm figuring it right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're texting you guys.
Speaker 3: Just call me.
Speaker 1: I'll be on the Southwest see thirty. I'll be on
Speaker 1: that thing. No problem, dude.
Speaker 2: I feel like, uh, you'd probably enjoy just the way
Speaker 2: you're out there talking about your truck. I'm like, I'm
Speaker 2: sure they both know what each other's saying here.
Speaker 3: But listen, I finish, I'm gonna sit there and talk
Speaker 3: for six seconds and he'll go and I'll be like you,
Speaker 3: you know, like I like the way trucks run.
Speaker 1: I love beautiful old vehicles.
Speaker 2: And that's We'll go check it out.
Speaker 1: Choose oil. I can get that done for you, no problem.
Speaker 1: Maybe depends on the all right.
Speaker 2: Subscribe rate review barstools sports dot com, slash Merch. That's
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Speaker 2: the algorithms, comment below, do all the fun stuff. I'm
Speaker 2: sure NASCAR culture might be killing us for the Billy Elliott,
Speaker 2: for the Bill Elliot stuff, but.
Speaker 1: Probably where's Bill out?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: What do you think more about killing you, more about
Speaker 1: what you called the series, And oh yeah, I didn't
Speaker 1: even know that was that bad, the Circle Track NASCAR
Speaker 1: racing series.
Speaker 2: Seriously, just getting drug out there.
Speaker 1: It's better than right around the same thing as awesome
Speaker 1: Bill from or whatever.
Speaker 2: And we just went in on him. He goes, listen,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have.
Speaker 1: Assholes whatever.
Speaker 3: Nastar culture is killing us right now. Yeah, but Bill
Speaker 3: is still around. Yeah, he's still He's still do his thing.
Speaker 3: Was your dad and him rivals. I'm still trying to
Speaker 3: do it.
Speaker 1: What am I doing here?
Speaker 2: You probably want to go the kids.
Speaker 1: He's got to go to sleep soon.
Speaker 2: And I think as long as he's asking a question,
Speaker 2: I guess we're good.
Speaker 3: On Town's cool. Yeah, those kids have been missing their
Speaker 3: dad all day, you know what I'm saying. But your
Speaker 3: dad and him, yeah they were good. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 3: very few run ins, but everybody does. Then with the intimidator,
Speaker 3: who was his big bible? Go YouTube and watch the
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty seven Winston All Star Race.
Speaker 1: Just that's one. If you're going to watch a race
Speaker 1: about NASCAR history, that's the one. Go watch that one.
Speaker 1: There's others, but that that'll be a good one for that,
Speaker 1: all right, nineteen eighty seven all Star Winston, they called
Speaker 1: it the Winston The Winston, Yeah, because Winston Cigarettes was
Speaker 1: a big deal.
Speaker 2: Cigarettes was a big deal back then.
Speaker 1: I think they kind of still are, yeah, but not
Speaker 1: like I mean they they.
Speaker 2: Were on signed like hate smoke cigarettes, like it's all good. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: but yeah, and then whenever nash nas Nascar, suffs comes
Speaker 2: in that I'm sorry walking behind Yeah.
Speaker 1: Hey, we used to have a guy on our team
Speaker 1: called two Beers because he would get like this after.
Speaker 3: A couple of struggle to struggles, struggle to put thoughts together.
Speaker 1: I had a buddy named Chris back home.
Speaker 3: He the first thing to go is his speech, you know,
Speaker 3: fully functional, just words aren't coming out for the poor guy,
Speaker 3: Chris l It's my cat man.
Speaker 2: I love him. But when NASCAR comes to Nashville, we
Speaker 2: obviously need to be communicating because we need to have
Speaker 2: this bus somewhere visible. You know what I'm saying, Right
Speaker 2: on the track, Right on the track, guys, move around it.
Speaker 2: You know, you do your thing in the booth, Tony
Speaker 2: Wall hang by it. It's been most Rex ever because
Speaker 2: there's a bus in the movie. But appreciate it. Man.
Speaker 1: Hey, I'm I'm excited to uh to finally be on
Speaker 1: the show and can't wait for folks to hear it.
Speaker 1: Get that feedback, man, we need that NASCAR. What's the
Speaker 1: name of podcast? The Dale Junior Download Dale Junior Download
Speaker 1: all major podcast platforms, let's go.
Speaker 2: We're always in the same realm, and the rankings download
Speaker 2: they stay a little more consistently above us. But there
Speaker 2: are some times now we're all in the same realm
Speaker 2: we're compete against.
Speaker 1: Where do you guys competitive? He's Kyle Busch because he's.
Speaker 2: In the sports category. Yeah, he's a Kyle Busch.
Speaker 1: I gotta go. Appreciate you man, Thank you so much,
Speaker 1: Thank you guys. Thanks for the beer.
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