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Speaker 1: How are you this morning? Hey Dan? I'm good man.
Speaker 1: How are you doing? I'm doing okay. Last time you dunked?
Speaker 1: Last time, I was sixty three years old, seventy one. Now,
Speaker 1: I've never been incentivized since since I was sixty three,
Speaker 1: so you know, what the hell? Yeah, I was wondering
Speaker 1: about that, Like, at what point do you go? I
Speaker 1: don't need to want to or it hurts too much
Speaker 1: to try to dunk. It hurts too much to land
Speaker 1: after the dunk. How old were you plus plus? You
Speaker 1: know I have I have sons who play a little basketball,
Speaker 1: and you know, one is six six and the other
Speaker 1: ones about sixty three. So I enjoy watching them do
Speaker 1: it as opposed to me getting out there messing around.
Speaker 1: How old were you the first time you dunked? Man?
Speaker 1: You know I cheated, I was I was in elementary school,
Speaker 1: and I was on an eight foot basket and I
Speaker 1: had had a small basketball, so I was doing all
Speaker 1: kinds of tricky stuff. I think a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: that people saw me do on a ten foot basket
Speaker 1: started on that eight foot basket and then progress to
Speaker 1: a nine foot and then eventually got to be a
Speaker 1: ten footer. So my my ten foot, ten foot dunk shot,
Speaker 1: my dunk on a tenth foot basket was probably at fifteen, fourteen, fifteen,
Speaker 1: somewhere in there. But who did you look up to
Speaker 1: when it came to dunking, because I was trying to
Speaker 1: think prior to you, unless it was guys playing in
Speaker 1: the Rutger League or Connie Hawkins or some of those guys,
Speaker 1: who was the guy you looked down? Well? In my neighborhood, Roosevelt,
Speaker 1: Long Island, small community, fifteen thousand people, when I walked
Speaker 1: to school every morning, I had to go past the
Speaker 1: house of jumping Johnny Green, and he played for the Knicks.
Speaker 1: And Johnny wasn't a high scorer, but he would get
Speaker 1: a lot of tippins and tip dumps. So when I
Speaker 1: was blessed to go with my Salvation Army basketball team
Speaker 1: to a Knicks game and sitting the obstructed view seats
Speaker 1: in the old Batterson Square garden, so when you had
Speaker 1: to look around a pole see what was going on
Speaker 1: down on the court, I would see jumping Johnny Green,
Speaker 1: and you know he was. He was very inspirational to me,
Speaker 1: as was you know, Wilt Chamberlain and the great Elchin
Speaker 1: Balor Well. I remember jumping Johnny Green with the Royals,
Speaker 1: and I think I think Johnny would played at Michigan State,
Speaker 1: but he wasn't. He wasn't a tall guy. But you know,
Speaker 1: when your name is jumping Johnny, you better be able
Speaker 1: to jump. Really hung Yeah, he six You know they
Speaker 1: probably listened to him at six six, and they did
Speaker 1: back in the day. Always gave you an extra inch,
Speaker 1: you know this with a cushioning in your shoe, in
Speaker 1: the socks and uh. But he was the nicest guy,
Speaker 1: and he became a franchise owner McDonald's franchise owner. I
Speaker 1: believe after post career, hired some guys from the neighborhood.
Speaker 1: And I used to always visit his place and and
Speaker 1: see him. He always greeted you graciously and with a smile.
Speaker 1: He was He was just a super guy man. He
Speaker 1: was a super role model to Halt, I guess I've
Speaker 1: taken this for granted, but I don't remember how you
Speaker 1: officially got your nickname, Doctor Jay. I thought it was
Speaker 1: from a high school friend. But can you tell me
Speaker 1: that story? After all these years, I don't think I've
Speaker 1: ever asked you how you got your nickname. No. Uh,
Speaker 1: there's two arts to it. One. Initially it was just
Speaker 1: the Doctor and I had a buddy and I called
Speaker 1: him the professor and he called me the Doctor, and
Speaker 1: we had professional SILA League nicknames. His real names Leon
Speaker 1: sand is quite cool, y ensnas now and we finished
Speaker 1: that rose about how we go to U mass together.
Speaker 1: So the nickname spread a little bit while I was
Speaker 1: in college, although it was never totally publicized. And then
Speaker 1: after college, when I signed with the Virginia Squires, I
Speaker 1: started playing in the RUGAE League. Name got more popular
Speaker 1: then because I had an immediate impact on pro basketball
Speaker 1: in the summer. And then when I went to camp
Speaker 1: with the Virginia Squires, they had about two or three
Speaker 1: guys in an organization who did they just called Doc
Speaker 1: And you know, so if you yell Doc in a
Speaker 1: certain room and three three docks were in there. Everybody
Speaker 1: turned around, How are you talking to me? So my
Speaker 1: trainer said you to be doctor j because we got
Speaker 1: Charlie Scott here, and we're gonna promote you guys as
Speaker 1: Charlie the Great Scott and Julius doctor j irvit. And
Speaker 1: it has stuck since that time. That was nineteen seventy one.
Speaker 1: What were you called in the Rutger League? What was
Speaker 1: your nickname there? They tried to lay a couple of
Speaker 1: nicknames on me. You know, you might have heard. They
Speaker 1: wanted to call me the Claw, and they wanted to
Speaker 1: call me Black Moses, and the guy who was the
Speaker 1: guy who was you know, the games went on in
Speaker 1: perpetuity because you know, they always held the clock back,
Speaker 1: that's why the scores were so high, and one fifties,
Speaker 1: one sixties. And he would just he would just amuse
Speaker 1: himself and pluck a name out of the sky and say,
Speaker 1: oh man, the Claus hit the baseline again and dumped
Speaker 1: another one or whatever. So I had to go over
Speaker 1: and say, if you're gonna call me anything, that's called
Speaker 1: me the doctor because I didn't I didn't really like
Speaker 1: really yeah, but black Moses is like, you can't go home,
Speaker 1: you know, and say, you know, to your family, you know,
Speaker 1: it's I don't want you to call me Julius, it's
Speaker 1: black Moses. Now. No, I didn't want. I didn't want
Speaker 1: the whole haul of community calling me black Moses Z.
Speaker 1: But thinking I was on the side, I was going
Speaker 1: to say, well, did you ever I don't know if
Speaker 1: you ever fought this. Um. I was fortunate to see
Speaker 1: you play against the Kentucky Colonels. I think was the wow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I always wondered because because we viewed you as
Speaker 1: a dunker. But I don't know if you fought that
Speaker 1: label of being just a dunker even though you were
Speaker 1: far more than that. But that's how we came to
Speaker 1: really realize who you were. But when you went to
Speaker 1: the NBA, were you fighting that, Hey, I'm more than
Speaker 1: just a dunker. Oh. It's a good conversation to have
Speaker 1: because I always prided myself and having an all around game.
Speaker 1: You know, when I retired from basketball, I played professionally
Speaker 1: for sixteen years, and as it turned out, I was
Speaker 1: third leading scorer only behind Kareem and Wealth Chamberlain. They
Speaker 1: weren't all dunk shots in terms of steals, blocks, scoring,
Speaker 1: rebounding was maybe in the top twenty of rebounding, but
Speaker 1: top ten in all three of the other statistical categories.
Speaker 1: So I don't think you get those type of stock
Speaker 1: stats from just being one dimensional. And I've seen some guys,
Speaker 1: you know, who were just dunkers and they got a
Speaker 1: breakaway dumb. I mean, they were satisfied that they had
Speaker 1: done their job, that's all. I they just brought me
Speaker 1: in the game. You get a dunk shot and then
Speaker 1: you know, sit back down. You know, my job was
Speaker 1: to lead, to be inspirational to I don't even my teammates,
Speaker 1: but to the fans. Uh, be a coach on the
Speaker 1: floor and uh and and do do a lot more
Speaker 1: and then after that's done, to do some more. So
Speaker 1: so so I approached it as as a job and
Speaker 1: try to have a really good work ethic that would
Speaker 1: inspire others. And even you know, when I was hurt. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know many times I played hurt. I think after
Speaker 1: the first year or second year, you know, nobody, nobody
Speaker 1: doesn't have some sort of pain or some sort of
Speaker 1: agony associated with an injury that's just not going to heal. So,
Speaker 1: you know, so I'm not a big load management, Uh,
Speaker 1: promoter with the load management these days, because so many
Speaker 1: guys did play hurt and felt as though, Hey, if
Speaker 1: I sat down, somebody was gonna come and take my job.
Speaker 1: Did you ever feel bad for Michael Cooper with that dunk?
Speaker 1: And in the NBA Michael Power, Hey, I was on
Speaker 1: his podcast last week and uh, you know we yucked
Speaker 1: it up a little bit about it. Since we're both
Speaker 1: coaching the Big three Ice cub League, you know, being
Speaker 1: able to to make commands. Uh. You know, He's he's
Speaker 1: been really cool about it because he said it keeps
Speaker 1: him relevant, relevant, irrelevant to to the next generation and
Speaker 1: the next generation and the next generation because he because
Speaker 1: he was posterized on that particular day. And uh, and
Speaker 1: I kind of agree with him. Well, did you think
Speaker 1: that was more impressive or the one where you went
Speaker 1: baseline and came up underneath? Uh in the NBA Finals.
Speaker 1: I think definitely the baseline move. Uh. You know that
Speaker 1: was that was truly floating on air and creating using
Speaker 1: some body control, using the big hand hold of all
Speaker 1: out out of bounds and then you know force of
Speaker 1: nature career, if I'm doing the bar was standing under
Speaker 1: the basket and it froze him for a second because
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's something he probably could have easily
Speaker 1: have blocked, but he didn't know what was going on.
Speaker 1: I didn't think you were going to get to the
Speaker 1: other days and confused and then what would you like
Speaker 1: to fly? It's a good feeling, it's it's it's a
Speaker 1: good feeling, Dan, you know, actually, you know it started
Speaker 1: on the playgrounds of Long Island, just getting into swings
Speaker 1: and going back and forth and getting a pinnacle and
Speaker 1: then jumping out, going forward and soaring in the air
Speaker 1: and learning how to land, jumping off of a see saw,
Speaker 1: playing on the park benches, stepping up on the bench,
Speaker 1: and just just jumping and feeling free. Uh. There's a
Speaker 1: freedom of expression expression associated with with sarring. And then
Speaker 1: there's an extra bona fit if you saw and you score.
Speaker 1: Is there a better dunker than you in the history
Speaker 1: of the game. Uh, I think there's some guys who
Speaker 1: have been more impactful, you know. I mean, I'm probably
Speaker 1: on the mount rushmore just as an innovator and opening
Speaker 1: the door for a lot of people, and that's the
Speaker 1: way it should be. I mean, I think you know,
Speaker 1: the first guys in Connie Hawkins and Elgin Baylor and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean so many guys who used used
Speaker 1: to throw down Johnny Green before mentioned. You know, they
Speaker 1: opened the door for the next generation, so I would
Speaker 1: expect that. You know, there's been three generations since three
Speaker 1: account of generations is ten years since I played the fourth.
Speaker 1: And if you don't see improvement, you don't see better dunkers,
Speaker 1: then what's going on with these guys? They see it,
Speaker 1: they see as possible and then they could take her
Speaker 1: with it to make it better. So that's that's just
Speaker 1: a natural progression of things that make did you think
Speaker 1: you were better than Jordan at any point in the beginning?
Speaker 1: You know, it was interesting because when he came out
Speaker 1: of college and we actually he Dominique Wilkins went to
Speaker 1: an event in Atlanta, Georgia, and it was a golf
Speaker 1: event and we ended up getting in the gym and
Speaker 1: playing some basketball. You know, so I saw what he had,
Speaker 1: but I also knew what I had and whatever, So
Speaker 1: you know, it was he like he was a junior version.
Speaker 1: But as you know, time will tell and the story
Speaker 1: will be told. I mean, that's a six time champions,
Speaker 1: a time MVP or whatever. He certainly surpassed My accomplishments
Speaker 1: almost doubled, uh you know uh in championships because I
Speaker 1: had three and three runner ups and I would like
Speaker 1: the Gary player who says, you know, I won the
Speaker 1: Masters five times and I was running und five times.
Speaker 1: You had to include that, like that's pretty important when
Speaker 1: you come in second, but most important if you validate,
Speaker 1: you know, your presence in your career by by getting
Speaker 1: over the hump. And that's why it was such a
Speaker 1: challenge for me. You know, from nineteen seventy one to
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty one, you know, with all the accolades in
Speaker 1: the in the in the ABA, it was important to
Speaker 1: be MVP in the NBA and eighty one and then
Speaker 1: champion and in the NBA in eighty three because you know,
Speaker 1: there are some people on the other side of the
Speaker 1: tracks who only look at that side of we're talking
Speaker 1: to doctor J the Hall of Famer. Coolest thing in
Speaker 1: your office is what coolest thing of OSS? I got
Speaker 1: some stuff in here, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 1: got an m for the Doctor a documentary. I got
Speaker 1: a nice uh l leek statue of a golfer, which
Speaker 1: is you know, my one of my passions and my
Speaker 1: favorite pastime of these days. And once I get my
Speaker 1: shoulder healed, I can't wait to get back out of
Speaker 1: the course. I have a have a trophy in my
Speaker 1: office that looks like a Heisman trophy and it was
Speaker 1: given to me by the Dallas Mavericks the last time
Speaker 1: I played in Dallas, because I was in the game
Speaker 1: that welcomed them to the NBA, and upon my retirement,
Speaker 1: they created this, uh, this trophy and it's really cool. Well,
Speaker 1: you certainly got enough awards there. Do you did you
Speaker 1: keep everything? Like do you have all your your No? No,
Speaker 1: I didn't keep everything. I think Bill Russell is the
Speaker 1: only guy I know who has kept everything, because I've
Speaker 1: been to this house a number of times and you
Speaker 1: know it's got all eleven championship rings? Does he show
Speaker 1: those offo doctors? He is in a trophy case. You
Speaker 1: got to walk by it if you walk into the house.
Speaker 1: So that's probably the best collection that I've seen of
Speaker 1: a former player. For me, I actually had an auction
Speaker 1: maybe about five years ago. So I think the wonderful
Speaker 1: home that I'm living in right now is a testimony
Speaker 1: to parting company. Parting company with the stuff It's great
Speaker 1: to talk to you, and I hope you're doing well.
Speaker 1: You look good. I don't know how you know that
Speaker 1: the golf game is going to be when you come back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how's yours? I took a seven year hiatus from the game,
Speaker 1: but yeah, my body, Yeah, I had some problems health wise,
Speaker 1: and uh, I love it, but I had to step
Speaker 1: away for seven years. Yeah. Yeah, I think it was
Speaker 1: prior to seven years we were on the golf course together. Well,
Speaker 1: that was to see back out there. That was like
Speaker 1: ninety nineteen, ninety five, ninety seven, No, that was in
Speaker 1: Utah ninety seven, maybe a very exact year. You know.
Speaker 1: You so you have a lot of people around you.
Speaker 1: They don't know anything. Doc he heard about today. Yeah.
Speaker 1: All I know is I dunked on you. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's right. That's all I know, is I dunked on you.
Speaker 1: It came up, it came up. Yeah, you know that.
Speaker 1: That's kind of like the legend in your own mind comment. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I'm not lying when I say I dunked
Speaker 1: on doctor j Am. I. Yeah, I'm not the only
Speaker 1: Doctor Jay out there. You were the only Doctor j
Speaker 1: on that slab of concrete that day. We lowered the
Speaker 1: basket to eight feet and I just said to Doc,
Speaker 1: would you stand underneath the basket? And he's like yeah,
Speaker 1: And I took all to dunk on him and I said, Hi,
Speaker 1: I'm good. I just dunked on Doctor Doc. Didn't even
Speaker 1: know what I was doing at the time, so I apologize.
Speaker 1: It's great to talk to you, as always talk and
Speaker 1: thank you very much for joining us pleasure. Hey, you
Speaker 1: got a great show. Keep it going. Thank you, buddy.
Speaker 1: That's uh, Doctor J. Doctor J looks good man. I've
Speaker 1: been in a little while since he dunked. Yeah. Pretty
Speaker 1: good golfer too. But it was during the NBA Finals.
Speaker 1: I was out there. Jim Gray goes, hey, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: play golf with doctor day. I thought we were playing
Speaker 1: golf with the doctor A doctor. I get to the course,
Speaker 1: I said, Doctor J. I see Jim Gray. I go,
Speaker 1: I'm playing golf with Doctor J today. And we had
Speaker 1: a backup on I think the fifteenth or sixteenth hole,
Speaker 1: and there was a basketball court right off for the
Speaker 1: golf course and there was a basketball out there. I said,
Speaker 1: come on, Doc, let's go over and chee a little bit.
Speaker 1: So we shot a little bit lowered the hoop to
Speaker 1: eight feet and I said, Doctors, would you stand under there?
Speaker 1: And he goes, yeah, all right, and I dunked on
Speaker 1: the hoop. I wish we would have had cell phones
Speaker 1: back they're taking pictures, because it would have looked a
Speaker 1: whole lot more impressive than it sounds. Believe me, he
Speaker 1: was a great sport. Though not many people dunked on Doc. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Point he was so popular that, like for Chicago, I'm
Speaker 1: not exactly a Philadelphia sports fan, but they made a
Speaker 1: poster back in the seventy was the Doctor and he's
Speaker 1: standing over a table and he's wearing scrubs. Yeah, everybody
Speaker 1: bought it. Yeah, you didn't have to live in anywhere
Speaker 1: near Philly. Yeah. Currently an ambassador for the seventy six ers.
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Speaker 1: We got a tweet while we were talking to doctor
Speaker 1: Jay the Mount Rushmore of Coolness with athletes doctor j
Speaker 1: jorn Borg, Joe Namath. I would throw Arnold Palmer in
Speaker 1: there as well. I'm not sure if I'm missing another
Speaker 1: athlete of the Mount Rushmore of cool Yeah, Seton looks
Speaker 1: like Andre Agassi. Nah, I think he tried to be cool?
Speaker 1: Did he try to? Ok? Yeah, yeah, I think he.
Speaker 1: I don't think you and try to be cool. I
Speaker 1: think you're cool, yeah, Muhammad Ali or is that a
Speaker 1: different category altogether? Yeah, it feels like he's in his
Speaker 1: own category because I don't think he gave he was cool.
Speaker 1: He was colorful and fifty years ago, yesterday was the
Speaker 1: anniversary of the first fight between Ali and Joe Frazier. Yeah, Paul,
Speaker 1: if you go back and look at the golf or
Speaker 1: Arnold Palmer and the pictures in the fifties and sixties,
Speaker 1: he looks like he should be hanging out Frank Sinatra.
Speaker 1: The way he dressed, the shape he was in the tan.
Speaker 1: He looked like a superstar playing golf, and golfers didn't
Speaker 1: really look like superstars. I didn't like golf growing up,
Speaker 1: but I liked Arnold Palmer because he reminded me of
Speaker 1: Sean Connery, James Bond. There was just something about Ernie
Speaker 1: that he'd have, you know, sleeves rolled up and smoking
Speaker 1: heaters and you know, going for the green in two.
Speaker 1: It's just something about him, and he went man golf
Speaker 1: is kind of cool. Borg though Borg might be number
Speaker 1: one on that list. He didn't say anything, but he
Speaker 1: didn't have to. It was just when Wembledon would start
Speaker 1: and born Boorg would start growing his beard, and then
Speaker 1: you knew everybody else was in trouble. And then he
Speaker 1: retires at twenty six, which is cool. You never saw
Speaker 1: him stink. You never saw the downside of his career.
Speaker 1: He didn't have one. Yeah, Namath was pretty cool too.
Speaker 1: What was going on in New York and he's out
Speaker 1: there dating everybody, owning a bar like, he's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: On the sidelines, long hair now had a Beatles haircut,
Speaker 1: had the fur coat, white shoes when he played. Pretty cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: mclen we don't have any baseball players on that list.
Speaker 1: Is there a baseball guy like a Mickey Manner or
Speaker 1: Demaggio or I don't know, Demagio might have been cool.
Speaker 1: He's a little older than this group we're talking about. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't think Mickey Mantle was cool, you know, I
Speaker 1: mean he was, he was unique. Reggie, I don't, I
Speaker 1: don't maybe maybe yeah, for tell Michael Jordan obviously super cool.
Speaker 1: Derek Jeter, was he too quiet to be considered cool.
Speaker 1: You have to be flamboyant to be cool. It depends
Speaker 1: how you to define it. Um, I could see a
Speaker 1: little bit of that with Derek Jeter, the coolness to him. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Walt Frasier in the seventies, not as much of a
Speaker 1: household name as some of these other athletes, but he
Speaker 1: led with fashion yea back in the in the his era,
Speaker 1: yep on the nickname of Clyde's very neat. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: had his own shoes, the Pumas. There's another athlete. I know,
Speaker 1: it's the different sport. But Evil Knevel in the seventies
Speaker 1: and Bruce Lee, you know he was just crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Evil Knevil had a pot the hair over the
Speaker 1: almost looking like Elvis with a motorcycle. Yeah, we were kids.
Speaker 1: We thought he was you know, you know what. And
Speaker 1: Bruce Lee also had that run and where he was
Speaker 1: in movies. He was in a lot of different things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a shame that people you know that Doctor J
Speaker 1: spent all those years in the ABA, because I think
Speaker 1: he would be a lot higher on list because you
Speaker 1: don't find Doctor J in the top ten of basketball
Speaker 1: players of all time. And I think that's in large
Speaker 1: part because he was doing a lot of damage in
Speaker 1: the ABA. And there were a lot of great players
Speaker 1: in the ABA, just like you know the NFL, in
Speaker 1: the AFL, and there were players who played in the
Speaker 1: AFL and those stats and you didn't think they were
Speaker 1: on par with players from the NFL, but they were
Speaker 1: as they as we found out. But Doc with what
Speaker 1: he did in the ABA was you know, he was
Speaker 1: Jordan before Jordan, if you know, you want to use
Speaker 1: that analogy. As far as dominating, he was pretty incredible.
Speaker 1: But it's great to talk to him. And I still
Speaker 1: go back to when we were in Los Angeles and
Speaker 1: the Danets were We're at the airport and they saw
Speaker 1: doctor J and it it just everybody was following doctor
Speaker 1: J and they didn't want to say anything too, and
Speaker 1: they were afraid to say something to doctor j. They
Speaker 1: came back like little schoolgirls are, like, we sold doctor Jay.
Speaker 1: And I said, did you say anything to him? No? No,
Speaker 1: we didn't know what to say. We needed you there, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know you finally needed me. Dan Orlomski, the Great
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Speaker 1: Did the Cowboys have a great day yesterday? Huh? The
Speaker 1: Cowboys did not. Dak Prescott did, Dak Prescott. Dak Prescott's
Speaker 1: family did. But this is a big time swinging miss
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys. I think that they took a calculated risk.
Speaker 1: You know, they tried to be patient and patient and
Speaker 1: patient and didn't want to do something like the Rams
Speaker 1: and the Eagles did. But man, that is a ton
Speaker 1: of money to give Dak Prescott. What should the expectation
Speaker 1: level be for Cowboy fans this year? Oh? This year
Speaker 1: at least you're talking second round to the playoffs, sniff
Speaker 1: in your NFC championship game. You know, like, here's this
Speaker 1: is what my comment is with this, and it's the
Speaker 1: old saying too much as given, much as expected. This
Speaker 1: is why I was very cautious of giving Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: a ton of money or second most quarterback money. It's
Speaker 1: going to impact your football team. And we can't now
Speaker 1: sit here and say, well, he's really good, but the
Speaker 1: expectations stay the same. The expectations have to be elevated,
Speaker 1: not only individually. Hey, when our left tackles out, we
Speaker 1: still have to win the game on the road against
Speaker 1: the New York Jets because they stink. Or when we
Speaker 1: don't have Amari Cooper, we still got to play good
Speaker 1: at the position because you're supposed to be in a
Speaker 1: difference maker when it comes to the finances. It's a
Speaker 1: bad division. I still have to wait to see what
Speaker 1: happens in Washington at the quarterbacks fot if they got
Speaker 1: a quarterback that I thought was a good player, or
Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzpatrick, I think that I would favor them to
Speaker 1: win the division because I think Dallas still has issues defensively,
Speaker 1: offensive line wise, and overpaid at tailback. Other than that,
Speaker 1: and good luck, good luck trying to fix those over
Speaker 1: the next four years. Well, that's my point with all
Speaker 1: of this is I don't like Zeke's contract. The offensive
Speaker 1: line is not what it once was, and you got
Speaker 1: guys got paid up there. The defense is one of
Speaker 1: the most overrated units in football right now. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure about Mike McCarthy. I mean, and Jerry's not you know,
Speaker 1: Jerry's what seventy nine years of age. Dan like there's
Speaker 1: no rebuild. He thinks he reloads here. But I'm with you.
Speaker 1: People might put the Giants ahead of the Cowboys going
Speaker 1: into the next season. I would if But here's my thing.
Speaker 1: I need to know where Sa Kwon's health is. I
Speaker 1: said this five minutes ago. If you gave me Ryan
Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick with Washington, and they gave me and you gave
Speaker 1: me an offensive lineman that was a quality offensive lineman
Speaker 1: there and a receiver outside of McLaurin. I'll take Washington
Speaker 1: if you told me that sa Quon Barkley was completely healthy,
Speaker 1: that Leonard Williams is going to get franchise tagged in
Speaker 1: New York, and you got a receiver to replace Golden
Speaker 1: take I take New York over them because I think
Speaker 1: that they're a better run football organization. I believe in
Speaker 1: Martin Mayhew in Washington. I think that they're better coached
Speaker 1: football teams, and they're they're a healthier team won the
Speaker 1: fifty three. The roster over doesn't have the stars potentially,
Speaker 1: but it's healthier Dan. Last year with Dak healthy, they
Speaker 1: were two and three. They were two and three, and
Speaker 1: in the first half of those games Dacre from four
Speaker 1: touchdowns and had four turnovers. Then everything hit the fan.
Speaker 1: But like it wasn't like they were playing awesome football
Speaker 1: when he was healthy. They were just so down so
Speaker 1: much that the stats got patted. He'd do for a
Speaker 1: thousand yards last year, down for two when they were
Speaker 1: down by more than two scores. So I get it.
Speaker 1: It's a day of celebration for Dak Prescott, but don't
Speaker 1: kid yourselves thinking that this is the difference between mediocrity
Speaker 1: of twenty years and now being a Super Bowl legit contender.
Speaker 1: The other thing that it hasn't been factored in. I
Speaker 1: don't think nationally by the media is dak is coming
Speaker 1: off a broken ankle. He didn't lose anything at the
Speaker 1: bargaining table. Dan, if you came off knee surgery or
Speaker 1: you came off a broken ankle, I'd feel more confident
Speaker 1: you coming off knee surgery than a broken ankle. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you ever had a broken ankle, but
Speaker 1: at that position, and I do ask him to run
Speaker 1: a little bit here, it doesn't feel like that's being
Speaker 1: played up enough. Yeah. I mean I broke my ankle
Speaker 1: the last game of my twenty eleven year on the
Speaker 1: road against Jacksonville and it lingered for the rest of
Speaker 1: my career and it wasn't as severe as daks. Now
Speaker 1: he's a significantly better athlete. All that stuff us. I mean,
Speaker 1: we have to realize though, too. No off season last
Speaker 1: year and people can tell me it didn't hurt. Go
Speaker 1: watch the games. They were very average to below average
Speaker 1: offensively in the first half. Then it became a complete
Speaker 1: throw it everywhere against prevent defense. No offseason last year,
Speaker 1: this year, no offseason again, and you're gonna have You're
Speaker 1: gonna have to do it in the midst of rehab. Okay,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have pieces on your football team because there's
Speaker 1: still three million dollars over the cap, So, well, who's
Speaker 1: going to take the hit. Someone's gonna have to get
Speaker 1: moved or take a hit or something like that. You're
Speaker 1: gonna have to develop some of your young players. And
Speaker 1: so the fact that you're going into a second straight
Speaker 1: year without an offseason with an injury, you don't know
Speaker 1: what he's gonna look like in a game to get
Speaker 1: him in the preseason, and you're probably gonna be hesitant
Speaker 1: to play him at time. We're talking to Dan Orlovsky,
Speaker 1: the ESPN NFL analyst. A couple other things here. I
Speaker 1: think you tweeted the silence Lynch is deafening with Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm paraphrasing here, what do you think is happening
Speaker 1: or what do you expect to happen? Yeah, it reminds
Speaker 1: me of the Carson One situation in Philadelphia, like that
Speaker 1: fired coach, new head coach. Nothing getting said Russell hasn't
Speaker 1: said anything. It's the easiest time ever to say something right,
Speaker 1: and he's only thrown gasoline on the fire. I think
Speaker 1: there's a lot of layers to this, Dan. I think
Speaker 1: it starts with Russell Wilson wants out of Seattle right now.
Speaker 1: I think Russell Wilson has a vision fifteen plus years
Speaker 1: for now to be the Magic Johnson of the NFL,
Speaker 1: the first guy to go from player to like, big
Speaker 1: time kind of brand, business type of guy. I think
Speaker 1: he realizes that that that's not going to happen in
Speaker 1: Seattle for him. I believe that he wants to go
Speaker 1: to a bigger market. Nine years really good football and
Speaker 1: never gotten an MVP vote, okay really never really thoroughly
Speaker 1: been into the conversation up until this season. I think
Speaker 1: he's tired of playing for a defensive minded head coach.
Speaker 1: I think he wants to be the focal point of
Speaker 1: a football team, both you know, literally and schematically so
Speaker 1: to speak. UM, And I think that I think that
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of the heat check, you know,
Speaker 1: I say this all the time. Quarterbacks have egos and
Speaker 1: it's why they become who they are. UM. But I
Speaker 1: think he's going I think I'm great and I think
Speaker 1: I'm powerful, and he's He's right. Let me find out
Speaker 1: if Seattle sees it the same way. Let's find out
Speaker 1: if Seattle views me the way same way I view me.
Speaker 1: And I think Seattle starting to warrant to the idea.
Speaker 1: You know what, Russ, We're not going to play your game.
Speaker 1: We're not. We're not gonna let you be bigger than us.
Speaker 1: That's why they sent out those letters. And he's not
Speaker 1: on it. Come on, come on, I think Pete Carroll's
Speaker 1: going Nope, I'm not gonna let you play that way. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The letter they sent out to season ticket holders talked
Speaker 1: about DK Metcalp and Tyler Lockett, and they somehow left
Speaker 1: out a future Hold of Famer in Russell Wilson. Exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: no message being sent there. I think it comes down
Speaker 1: to ego. I think it's Pete Carroll versus Russell Wilson,
Speaker 1: and you know, last man standing, and it's going to
Speaker 1: be Pete Carroll. But if one you know, now the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are off the list. I wonder if for us
Speaker 1: expands the list a little bit, Dan, because I can't
Speaker 1: see the Bears offering anything that Seattle is going to go,
Speaker 1: oh okay, you know maybe the Raiders. You know, I
Speaker 1: get Derek Carr and something. The Saints. I don't see
Speaker 1: that happening. If I'm Russ, I really want out, I
Speaker 1: think I got to expand my wish list here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you'd have to include I mean, it would be silly
Speaker 1: not to include in New York in Miami, right if
Speaker 1: you really want it out because they you know, those
Speaker 1: are two teams that have multiple first round picks in
Speaker 1: this year and in next year's draft, with the Jets
Speaker 1: included in that, so you'd obviously wanted that. I think
Speaker 1: Seattle has to ask themselves two major questions, do we
Speaker 1: believe that we can win this way a super Bowl?
Speaker 1: Because they've got multiple experiences. They did it and won
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl when Russell was cheap, and then they
Speaker 1: paid them and they haven't been able to replicate that.
Speaker 1: So they might sit back and be like, you know what,
Speaker 1: we tried it this way, it not work. We actually
Speaker 1: want to go back to doing it in a financially
Speaker 1: flexible way. And the second thing would be this, how
Speaker 1: do they replace them? How do they replace it? Because
Speaker 1: you can't just go what will trade you? You've got
Speaker 1: to find either the player or the capitol to go
Speaker 1: replace the quarterback position, whether it's a rookie or something
Speaker 1: like that. I only would say this caveat with the
Speaker 1: Chicago one. His brother lives in Chicago and his brother
Speaker 1: works in Chicago, and they're desperate. We as human beings,
Speaker 1: make stupid decisions when we're desperate. And you could take
Speaker 1: Chicago and go listen, Matt Nowgie and Ryan Pace. If
Speaker 1: you don't get Russell, you're fired. You're more than likely
Speaker 1: fired for next year. So give us your next three ones.
Speaker 1: And I think that's something that Seattle would have to
Speaker 1: find worthy for consideration. Why is it that we love
Speaker 1: the unknown at the quarterbacking position that we did this
Speaker 1: with Deshaun Watson where teams talk themselves out of Deshaun
Speaker 1: Watson because they go, you know, we've we've seen everything
Speaker 1: from him. We like the unknown, like Mitchell Trubisky or
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones. And it feels like we're doing that with
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson, who was he had to beat out somebody
Speaker 1: to start this past season, whereas Justin Fields has been
Speaker 1: there in front of us, and it feels like we
Speaker 1: might be treating him the way we did. Deshaun Watson
Speaker 1: explain this logic to me when it comes to quarterbacks
Speaker 1: in the draft. Yeah, two things. When you go to
Speaker 1: the grocery store, and there's a reason why the candy
Speaker 1: bars are at the checkout island, they got shiny rappers
Speaker 1: because it catches our visions. That's a legit thing, you know, like,
Speaker 1: and I feel like we sometimes do that with quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: Shiny object. I gotta get it, I gotta get it,
Speaker 1: I gotta get it. It looks cool. And we've we've
Speaker 1: kind of fallen into that trap in the NFL. While
Speaker 1: while we've seen the infusion of athleticism at that quarterback
Speaker 1: spot come into the NFL, we still scout the quarterback
Speaker 1: position backwards. We look at defensive ends wide receive his
Speaker 1: offensive lineman. Linebackers physically first, then mentally because that's what's necessary.
Speaker 1: There's a certain requisite size, speed, shape to play those positions.
Speaker 1: That's secondary for the quarterback spot. The physical attributes for
Speaker 1: the quarterback will always be secondary. You have to think fast,
Speaker 1: you have to play fast. You have to have remarkable leadership.
Speaker 1: You have to have incredible study habits, you have to
Speaker 1: have great vision, you have to have the intellect to
Speaker 1: handle all that information and then be physically good. But
Speaker 1: just because you're physically good, if you're mentally poor, it's
Speaker 1: going to catch up to you. And I think that
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson's that guy that you see, like physically so impressive.
Speaker 1: We've got to figure out where he is intellectually. And
Speaker 1: I think that people are looking at Justin Fields and going, well,
Speaker 1: your receiver was open a lot that Ryan Day designed
Speaker 1: for you, And I'm like, so, what, Like that's the
Speaker 1: job of the coach to get people open and then
Speaker 1: the job of the quarterback us throwing to them. I've
Speaker 1: got multiple examples of Justin fields going from the second
Speaker 1: to the third. You know, pick or read when it
Speaker 1: comes to that stuff. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes has opened our eyes to a different type
Speaker 1: of quarterback that we want, that we crave, that we
Speaker 1: think we can get. Zach Wilson looks a lot like them.
Speaker 1: Always great to talk to you. Thank you, Dan, I
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Speaker 1: stats of the day here. After being more of a
Speaker 1: game manager's first two seasons in the NFL, Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: has morphed into one of the league's more prolific passers
Speaker 1: over the last two seasons combined, Prescott averaging three hundred
Speaker 1: twenty one passing yards per game. Patrick Mahomes is the
Speaker 1: only other quarterback over three hundred yards per game at
Speaker 1: three O two stat of the day, stat of the
Speaker 1: day that past out of the day stat of the
Speaker 1: day here comes that what stat of the day Also
Speaker 1: his impact on the offense. With him, they average thirty
Speaker 1: two points thirty two and a half points per game
Speaker 1: without him, twenty one points, four hundred and eighty eight
Speaker 1: yards total yards with him three hundred nineteen without him
Speaker 1: passing yards. I mentioned red zone touchdown percentage sixty eight
Speaker 1: percent of the time as opposed to without him forty
Speaker 1: percent of the time. Well, he's got to live up
Speaker 1: to those numbers and then some Yeah, it's not like
Speaker 1: he levels off here. Now, it's about a team winning.
Speaker 1: I don't care about Dak's stat I care about this
Speaker 1: team winning. I think that's that's the pressure that he's
Speaker 1: gonna have. Yeah, mclov I mean Dan Orlovsky didn't paint
Speaker 1: a rosy picture for super Bowl hopes. No he didn't.
Speaker 1: But it's being a playoff team for that money at
Speaker 1: least good enough, like a Kirk Cousins kind of thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, does he really super Bowl or bust? What's
Speaker 1: the Cowboys? So my point is irrelevant. You know, playoffs
Speaker 1: will be relevant for Jerry, that's something. Yeah, but but
Speaker 1: Dallas has to make the It's one thing. My expectation
Speaker 1: level with Kirk Cousins is less than it is with
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott, right, because Kirk got big money, not quite
Speaker 1: that money, he got guaranteed money. He got the entire
Speaker 1: contract guaranteed. We had never had that before. Dak is
Speaker 1: the second highest paid quarterback and he's the quarterback for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. With that comes higher expectations than Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 1: Jesse In La Jess welcome back pay, but great to
Speaker 1: call in again, and not the reason for my call,
Speaker 1: but athletes that are cool to me, David Beckham and
Speaker 1: anyone that refers to themselves in the third person, So
Speaker 1: I gotta go Prime and Ricky be Ricky as very
Speaker 1: cool athletes. Okay, but yeah, the reason I call is, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm so excited after day Dagg, we can
Speaker 1: stop talking about this below average, disappointing team. And I
Speaker 1: hope every Cowboy fan out there smashing watermelons to celebrate.
Speaker 1: But the real question who's up next? Because I think
Speaker 1: it's going to be Aaron Rodgers after that NFC championship
Speaker 1: or interview. What about you? I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: know what They're going to restructure his contract, but I
Speaker 1: don't know if he's getting a raise. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure you know Tom Brady's contract. The guys
Speaker 1: who really benefited are Josh Allen, Baker Mayfield, and Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 1: They gotta be going. Lamar Jackson's gotta be going. I'm
Speaker 1: better than Dak. I got an MVP, Josh Allen. Josh
Speaker 1: Allen's gotta go. I'm better than Dak. What's he Worth.
Speaker 1: I don't think you get hometown discounts here. You know,
Speaker 1: the Browns with Baker Mayfield, you might. I want to
Speaker 1: see another year with Baker Mayfield, with Kevin Stefanski. And
Speaker 1: if you have Odell Beckham, if you know they prove
Speaker 1: that they can run the football, and if if you
Speaker 1: set up play action, then Baker Mayfield can be very effective.
Speaker 1: But I don't I'm not loading up, you know, his
Speaker 1: arm with the expectations of what Dallas is going to
Speaker 1: do with Dak. I want Baker Mayfield to be a
Speaker 1: game manager. Just this is what I need to do
Speaker 1: in this moment, this quarter this game against this team.
Speaker 1: He can't go out there and just say this is
Speaker 1: who I am. Now come deal with me. Like Patrick
Speaker 1: Mahomes can do that, Aaron Rodgers can do that. There
Speaker 1: are very few quarterbacks who can do it. I just
Speaker 1: don't want Green Bay to get or Cleveland again into
Speaker 1: a situation where you go, Baker, we need you to cook.
Speaker 1: He's just sue chef. He's not my main chef. He's
Speaker 1: a sue chef. Final Hour coming up. We'll get to
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