1 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: Your tunes about Drive on your twenty four to seven 2 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 1: home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio. 3 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Steelers Nation. It's the Drive on the Steelers 4 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 2: Audio Network. While Shooler and Matt Williamson with you here 5 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:33,480 Speaker 2: for the next two hours on this Tuesday. And Matt, 6 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 2: we have got plenty to get into partner here today. 7 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 3: We might have too much. 8 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:38,599 Speaker 4: We might. 9 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 3: I'm in between between now and Thanksgiving. We got a 10 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 3: lot to squeeze into what twelve segments. 11 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 2: I will never complain about a day off in the 12 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 2: middle of the week for a holiday, right, But with 13 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 2: that comes some good and some bad. Yeah, And I 14 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,279 Speaker 2: guess it's kind of a double edged sword of a 15 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 2: it's a it's a good problem to have too much 16 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 2: content to get to. 17 00:00:57,760 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 4: You'd rather have to be that way. 18 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 3: But we've got some dollar times during the year where 19 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 3: you got to manufacture some stuff. 20 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 2: We've got five days of content to fit into a 21 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 2: four day bag. 22 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 5: Here. 23 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 3: I let's geting. 24 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:09,199 Speaker 4: We're gonna talk to Chris Danski. 25 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 2: We're gonna do our Tuesday rewind, some Fantasy Football focus, 26 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 2: some power rankings. We've got the twenty twenty six Hall 27 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 2: of Fame semi finalists announcement. 28 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's some news on that. 29 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 4: And there is a notable Pittsburgh Steeler wide receiver known 30 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 4: for taking people's heads off who is involved in that. 31 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:27,919 Speaker 2: We will get to all of that in more today 32 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 2: as we roll along. But Matt, we start where we 33 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:34,320 Speaker 2: always start on a Tuesday. Mike Tomlin his Tuesday press conference. 34 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 2: Plenty to get into his you know, thoughts from the 35 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 2: loss to the Bears, looking ahead to the big clash 36 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 2: this weekend with the Buffalo Bills. But we've kind of 37 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 2: made this a new tradition the last couple of weeks, 38 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 2: and I want to continue this with you. We're at 39 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 2: the point in the season where the bumps and bruises 40 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 2: are adding up. 41 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 3: To oh yeah, yeah across the league, of course, across still. 42 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 2: Across the NFL, but definitely here in Pittsburgh. We're obviously 43 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 2: still waiting or we're waiting for an update on the 44 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 2: status of Aaron Rodgers. Yes, someone like Alex high Smith 45 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 2: who has missed two games as well. And with what 46 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 2: we talked about a handful of Steelers being banged up 47 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 2: in the course of that game at Soldier Field in 48 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 2: Chicago on Sunday, here is all the latest on the 49 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 2: injury front from head coach Mike Tomlin. 50 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 5: From an injury standpoint, man, we got a couple of 51 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 5: things to talk about. Broderick Jones has a neck injury. 52 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 5: He'll be classified as out this week. I'll have more 53 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 5: information for you the next time we get together, but 54 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 5: certainly he'll be classified as out this week. Same thing 55 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 5: goes for Derek Harmon. He sustained a knee injury in play, 56 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 5: was able to finish the game, but he'll be characterized 57 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 5: as out this week. Optimistic about a couple returns. Aaron 58 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 5: obviously man worked his tail off to get to us 59 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 5: last week, but as I mentioned over the course of 60 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:55,519 Speaker 5: the weekend, it was a prudent and appropriate decision. We'll 61 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 5: start this week with great optimism, although we certainly will 62 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 5: limit him at the early portion of the week, provide 63 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 5: opportunities for the other quarterbacks while preserving him. And and 64 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 5: but again, we're comfortable with the general trajectory. But I'll 65 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 5: keep you updated and his level of participation, in the 66 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 5: quality of his participation over the course of the week 67 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 5: will be a be the greatest indicator. Same thing could 68 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 5: be said for Alex Hodge Smith. He's been out the 69 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 5: last couple of weeks, but we're optimistic as we start 70 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 5: the week about his inclusion this week. A couple of 71 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 5: guys that are managing some in game things from last 72 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 5: week that may be limited at the early portions of 73 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 5: the week, and we'll see where their participation leads. Joey 74 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 5: Porter with a hip, DK Metcalf got his ankle rolled, 75 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 5: but he was able to finish, but again certainly will 76 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 5: probably limit him at the early portions of the week, 77 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 5: and the same thing for Ben's Goronic with a shoulder. 78 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 4: So there's the latest. That's a pretty decent list and 79 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 4: that was you know, a ninety second clip because it's 80 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 4: a pretty beefy list there for the Steelers, some very 81 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 4: key contributors on all sides of the ball. 82 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 2: So you can, let's start at the top. You can 83 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 2: already ruling out for Sunday Roderick Jones and Derek Harmon 84 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 2: Matt that is a key loss on each side of 85 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 2: the trenches for the Steelers in a pivotal game at 86 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 2: home against the Buffalo Bills. 87 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll start with Harmon. He's been a high quality contributor. 88 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 3: I mean not a great player, but I mean he's 89 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 3: a rookie. I mean, he's been a successful guy from 90 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 3: the moment he took the field, what was at Week 91 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 3: three or whatever, because he missed a little time early too. 92 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 3: And this is a test because they run the ball 93 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 3: really really well. I mean, I'm more worried about his 94 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 3: run defense and his presence is a big guy in 95 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 3: the middle against Cook and Allen and a very good 96 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 3: offensive line as well. But I will say why a 97 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 3: black I think is coming off his best game as 98 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 3: a Steeler. He didn't play thirteen fourteen snaps something like that, 99 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 3: but they were good ones, not just falling on the 100 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 3: fumble in the end zone. But I mean I thought 101 00:04:57,960 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 3: he was a brick wall in the run game. So 102 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 3: maybe he he's coming into his own Jones I assume 103 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 3: will be replaced by Calvin Anderson. I mean that's what 104 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 3: they did when he got banged up, which is a downgrade. 105 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 3: I don't know what to think of it. Calvin Anderson's 106 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 3: one of my hardest Steelers to evaluate. To be honest 107 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 3: with you, I still feel like I don't know it's 108 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 3: about them. Yeah, I just don't know. It's not about 109 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 3: the guy. But I do think it's noteworthy this past offseason. 110 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 3: I think it was his past office. They gave him 111 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 3: a two year deal kind of under the radar, like 112 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 3: they gave him real money, not just hey, we'll pay 113 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 3: you a bottom of the roster. So I'll defer to 114 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 3: them that they have some trust in them. Their edge 115 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:40,799 Speaker 3: rushers are pretty good, they've been looking forever. But both 116 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 3: so and Rousseau are their best too, and they rotate 117 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 3: a lot of those guys in and out. But to me, 118 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 3: on those guys, I'm just hoping the other shoe doesn't 119 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 3: drop that either one's on injured reserve. You know, if 120 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 3: you're rolled out now, does that mean it's going to 121 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 3: be multiple weeks. That's to me is the next thing 122 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 3: that I'm keeping for those two. 123 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I hadn't even thought that far down the line, 124 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 2: but that that is scary when you when you rightfully 125 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 2: bring that thought to the forefront. 126 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 4: Here so early ruled out in the process. 127 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 2: Yet, Derek Harmon a guy that we've real I mean, 128 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 2: he's a rookie, so he's had some good games, he's 129 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 2: had some bad games, he's had some ups and downs. 130 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 2: But I think we all think that that arrow has 131 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 2: been it's been an up upward trajectory for him, his 132 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 2: rookie see with him and Broderick Jones, who had been 133 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:30,840 Speaker 2: I think very quietly playing some very good football, and 134 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 2: now you know again key against that run defense. Uh 135 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 2: key obviously for any team in the National Football League 136 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 2: when you lose your left tackle, one of the most 137 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 2: important elements of an offense. So those two already ruled out. 138 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 2: And yeah, as Matt mentioned, hopefully it's not something that's 139 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 2: going to linger into December when you've got to go 140 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 2: to Baltimore after this to to kick off the month 141 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 2: of December. But we will wait and see on that 142 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 2: for next week. But we know, no Brogerck Jones, no 143 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 2: Derek Harmon down two big men in the trenches this 144 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 2: Sunday against Buffalo, and then better news for Aaron Rodgers. 145 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 2: Great optimism, Mike Tomlin said when asked about Aaron Rodgers 146 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 2: and Matt Listen. I'm sure there'll still be some lingering 147 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 2: stuff for him. When you're forty one. You know, you 148 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 2: don't heal like wolverine when you're that age. Sure, but 149 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 2: does at least sound encouraging positive in that regard for 150 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers, And I think that's a big deal. 151 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 6: I think. 152 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 2: I think in a game like this, when it feels 153 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 2: like you're kind of backed into a corner, when top 154 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 2: quarterback you're facing another wounded animals, it's a kind of 155 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 2: a weird dynamic where both teams kind of feel like 156 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 2: they're backed into a corner. And what a proverbial wounded 157 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 2: animal who has to respond? 158 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 5: Here? 159 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 3: Right now? 160 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 4: That quick road is narrowing very quickly. 161 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 2: You want your number one quarterback, you want the future 162 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 2: Hall of Famer back under center, and it sounds like 163 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 2: there's great optimism that he will be. 164 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's actually the first I heard that clip 165 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 3: my Tomlin press conference days. I always learn with the 166 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 3: fans here, but I had tweeted something earlier, just retweeted 167 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 3: Adam Schefter saying basically saying he thought Rogers was going 168 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 3: to play. Yeah, you know, all things were good, So 169 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 3: I'm gonna kind of count on that. But there's a 170 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 3: lot of other names here sort of seem up in 171 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 3: the air porter high Smith. I'm glad that Warren's name 172 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 3: wasn't mentioned, you know, I mean, just a hidbit. Not 173 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 3: that I expect anything bad, but I thought he might 174 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 3: have some bumps and bruises. 175 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 2: No good, good shout there definitely, because he was on 176 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 2: the injury report all of last week, right, right. 177 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 3: And you play a game as NFL running back, you. 178 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 2: Know, optimistic with hot with high Smith, but they're gonna 179 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 2: have to see how the week plays out. Joey Porter Junior, DK, Metcalf. 180 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 2: It's both possible that they'll play, but they'll be limited 181 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 2: early in the week. And then same with with Ben Scarnick, 182 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 2: who you know might not loom as large as those 183 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 2: that trio of high Smith, JPJ and DK, but we 184 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:52,839 Speaker 2: know that he's a key contributor in a lot of 185 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:54,839 Speaker 2: different facets as well. 186 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,199 Speaker 3: Let's start there, actually, I mean it's a lengthy list. 187 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 3: Man with Killer Brew out scorex now your personal protector 188 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 3: and really your special team's captain by default, you know, 189 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 3: like it'd be like losing your best two offensive players, 190 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 3: I mean Killer Brew and Scaronica, but if you asked 191 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 3: Danny would be they're the last two I want to lose. 192 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 3: So that's not great. I mean, that's a problem, and 193 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 3: it takes a lot more shuffling than just especially. 194 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 2: When you just didn't have your best special team performance 195 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 2: of the year on Sunday. 196 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 3: Good point, good point, Soldier Field which. 197 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 2: Is where Mike Tomlins started his press conference talking about 198 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 2: the field positioning battle that they lost. 199 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,719 Speaker 3: They lost, and and they've been great about it so far. 200 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 3: They actually have the second best starting field SAT. 201 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 2: Like the first couple of weeks of the season, like 202 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 2: the Jets game, in the Seahawks game, it was not 203 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 2: good for them, and then it became a strength, very 204 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 2: quick strength. 205 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 3: It's gonna take the ball away a lot too, and 206 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 3: they end up with field position that way. Porter would 207 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 3: be a problem because he's clearly now your number one corner. 208 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 3: I mean, that's it's in there. 209 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 4: I think he's quietly been playing very well the last 210 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 4: month or so. 211 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 3: Couldn't agree more. But I also don't really fear the 212 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 3: beer bill wide receivers. I mean, Shaki's the guy that's 213 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 3: gotten the most attention. I'm curious about their report more 214 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 3: and no, right right right, they're out there. They got 215 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 3: a bunch of slots, some of them masquerading as outside players. 216 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 3: So it's a huge game. The Bills are a dangerous 217 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 3: team obviously, But I could live without Porter more this 218 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 3: week maybe than others. If that makes sense. 219 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 2: It does, and that it kind of sounds funny just 220 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:32,959 Speaker 2: thirty thousand foot view, because again you're banged up in 221 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 2: the secondary, and I think he might be your best 222 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 2: performer in that regard for the last handful of games. 223 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 3: I mean, you just started interrupt It's twenty other season 224 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 3: started where well we got three of these top corners. 225 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 3: Now it's Porter gap yeah, and part of it scause 226 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 3: Rams is no longer a corner, you know, but it's 227 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 3: clear that he's your number one cornerback. 228 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 4: Crystal, Yeah, Matthew, and then DK Metcalf. I mean with 229 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 4: that one, I don't I don't like that that that 230 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 4: might be the most concerning of all of the It's 231 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 4: just because. 232 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 2: You never want to lose your left tackle, but the 233 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:07,439 Speaker 2: rest of the offensive line has been playing much better. 234 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 2: You never want to lose your first round rookie pick. 235 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 2: But you've got real depth there on that defensive front. 236 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 3: Number one corners are hard to replay. 237 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 2: When high Smith's banged up, you obviously want him back, 238 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 2: which You've got a lot of talent and depth at 239 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 2: edge rusher. 240 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 3: What do you do with that? Meca? 241 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 4: What do you do without Metcalf? 242 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 2: Because not only is see your clear cut best wide receiver, 243 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 2: he's also your only wide receiver that has that body 244 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 2: type and that skill set. 245 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 3: He's the only one demands extra attention. 246 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 4: He's a one of one in that room. 247 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 3: Right, I mean he's at the top of the list 248 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 3: of Steelers you can't afford to lose. Yeah, that one's 249 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 3: very concerning because you know you're gonna have to put 250 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 3: up points to beat the Bills. I mean, this is 251 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 3: not going to be first one to twenty type of game. 252 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 3: That's just not what happens. Yeah, that one really really 253 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 3: worries me. I don't want Wilson and Austin out there 254 00:11:55,800 --> 00:12:00,080 Speaker 3: every snap. Maybe become even more tight end centric. I 255 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 3: don't know, but I mean even Scornic would play probably 256 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 3: twenty snaps for you if he were healthy, and you 257 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 3: don't know. 258 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 4: If that's the case, it's not a great place to be. 259 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 3: I would think this about the scantling week, and that 260 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 3: was something I actually thought about. 261 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 4: You mentioned that a little bit, Yester, But I think 262 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 4: even more so now that looms is a real possibility, 263 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 4: right right, rus. 264 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 3: Metcalf's questionable or Fury can't finish the game or whatever, 265 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 3: and maybe it was even in the cards before that. 266 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 4: One hundred percent. 267 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 2: Let's take a break here because We want to talk 268 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,079 Speaker 2: about all these things with our buddy Chris Damski, of course, 269 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 2: of the trip and the Steelers Blitz when we return 270 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 2: on the other side. Just getting started here on a Tuesday, 271 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 2: Matt Williamson West Schuler, It's the Drive on Steelers Nation 272 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 2: Radio on the Steelers Audio Network. 273 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 1: You were tunes about Drive on your twenty four to 274 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:59,599 Speaker 1: seven home of the Black and Goal. Steelers Nation Radio. 275 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 2: Plenty going on here in Steelers Land on a Tuesday. 276 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 2: Joining us now to help us parse through it all 277 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 2: is Chris Sadamski, of course, the co host of the 278 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 2: Steelers Blitz with our guy Tom op for a minute 279 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 2: at noon every day on Steelers Nation Radio. He also 280 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 2: covers the Steelers for the Trip Buzz. Thank you for 281 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,079 Speaker 2: taking the time as always, man, and let's jump right 282 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 2: into it. A kind of long list of injury updates 283 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 2: and concerns today from Mike Tomlin. Let's start in the trenches. 284 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 2: Broderick Jones ruled out, Derek Harmon ruled out. Is there 285 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 2: some concern that this could even be longer term with 286 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 2: both of these guys than just this weekend against Buffalo? 287 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:52,479 Speaker 2: Or do you think it's still too early to determine 288 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 2: in that regard. 289 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 6: Yeah, the Jones, I mean, you're dealing with the next situation. 290 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 6: You know, there a lot different ways that could go. 291 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 6: And I don't get the impaired they know for sure. 292 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 6: I mean, and even just the fact that they ruled 293 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 6: them out already on Tuesday, it isn't certainly the best sign, 294 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 6: right if it was something that was sort of you 295 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 6: know linear, you know, you can get the old you 296 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 6: characterize him as doubtful, as we say a lot of 297 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 6: times on a Tuesday, or even say he'll be you know, 298 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 6: just even real vague and say well let the participation 299 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 6: be our guide or something like that. So already roll 300 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 6: them out, and you're dealing with the neck type situation 301 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 6: that that's not encouraging, That's that's for sure. Harmon kind 302 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 6: of I don't know, Harmon think kind of came out 303 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 6: of nowhere there from what I could tell, you know, 304 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 6: so I don't have any insights on that or anything 305 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 6: like that. And he finished the game with it, which 306 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 6: part of me thinks that almost makes it worse. Is 307 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 6: that not that that makes it worse that if it 308 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 6: was something that was they found afterward that that they 309 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 6: had to address or something, but he was able to 310 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 6: play on it. You know what I'm saying that it 311 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 6: might be something that I believe that's this total speculation 312 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 6: that they might had the you know, surgery or something 313 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 6: like that that needed to be prepared with it, which 314 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 6: maybe could be that too, But yeah. 315 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 7: It's uh. 316 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 6: I mean, the offensive line had been pretty lucky. I mean, 317 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 6: there have been eleven games and they've had what's a 318 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 6: fifty five possible starts. They've gotten fifty four of them 319 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 6: so far, right, and say, I'm all amiss to one 320 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 6: start at left guard. Other than that, they've been a 321 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 6: healthy group and that's pretty rare this day and age 322 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 6: in the NFL or any day in age the NFL, really, 323 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 6: So we'll see now. I mean, I thought it kind 324 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 6: of interesting that he mentioned Pete as a possibility to 325 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 6: start at left tackle. I don't know how serious that 326 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 6: is or if that was more just answering the question 327 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 6: in terms of who could be the swing guy at tackle. 328 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 6: He has that tackle capability, but it seems to me 329 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 6: I've he reps the guard almost exclusively. But you know, 330 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 6: i'd be lying to say I've watched the second team 331 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 6: off what's the line every week, every practice during the 332 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 6: regular season to see who's going where. But I would 333 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 6: I'd still expected to be Kyle Anderson. But yeah, D line, 334 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 6: that's been a lot of attrition since the beginning of camp. 335 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 6: Right they lost Dean Lowery when was that? That wasn't 336 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 6: what June or something, And every couple a couple of 337 00:15:57,520 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 6: weeks they seem to be losing somebody else in the 338 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 6: D line. There's there's some point where, but they've been 339 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 6: what a couple of new guys on the fifty three 340 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 6: man from they brought him from the outside over the 341 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 6: past for since the seven started. So we'll see where 342 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 6: that goes. It's a shame if it is, you know, 343 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 6: certainly if it is more than a week or two, 344 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 6: that harmon just a you know, obviously your first round 345 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 6: pick and somebody it's you want to see him, wanted 346 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 6: to see him progress this year a lot too. 347 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I hadn't really thought about Pete at left tackle, 348 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 3: but I mean that's what he was drafted to do 349 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 3: many moons ago in the first round, and from what 350 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 3: I recall up at camp, you know, his first day 351 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 3: or two he played some left tackle and then basically 352 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 3: this settled in his left guard you would think it's Anderson. No, 353 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 3: more likely wouldn't would you think Calvin? 354 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah, I make that distinct. Yeah, 355 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 6: but it just I mean everything about it. I mean, 356 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 6: Pete hasn't got a hat except for the I believe 357 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 6: the only game even he got was active was the 358 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 6: the game say A Malu missed. So obviously there's a 359 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 6: some level of depth chart there right where or Calvin 360 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 6: ration has been ahead of him this whole time. And 361 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 6: like I said, I mean he certainly he has repped 362 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 6: more at guard than attack. He has the experience, and 363 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 6: that's one of the reasons they brought him is he 364 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 6: could do both. That's for sure, viable guy to have 365 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:09,400 Speaker 6: on game day. So I don't know if they're kind 366 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 6: of just you know, giving him, you know, the veteran 367 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 6: pay and blip service. I mean, he has a more 368 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,919 Speaker 6: extensive resume, I guess than Calvin Anderson, who's generally just 369 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 6: been a backup. He has a lot of spots starts 370 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 6: throughout his career, though every season he started at least 371 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 6: one game until last year. Then he finished that last 372 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 6: season left tackle for the Steelers in the playoffs. Remember 373 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 6: that he was out there in Baltimore in that game. 374 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 6: So he's done it for the Steelers too. 375 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 3: So you get the impression that they like him. I mean, 376 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 3: because they did give him a contract, which I was 377 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 3: kind of shocked and went under the radar that Calvin 378 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 3: got the contract. 379 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 6: He got a two year deal. Yeah right, I know, yeah, 380 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:42,439 Speaker 6: which is nothing, nothing to really shake us. 381 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 4: You know. 382 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 6: It's one of those things they think they acquired him. 383 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 6: It was what week two of week three last year, 384 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 6: and you just think, oh, he's finishing out the season. 385 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 6: They had some little attrition there, had you know, it 386 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 6: had tackled and everything whenever Fatanu gunn down. But I 387 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 6: would just finish out the season and be a veteran 388 00:17:57,600 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 6: to have around. But they attacked, they brought him back 389 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 6: and everything, and the fact that he's you know, I 390 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 6: don't see he was unchallenged. But I mean he's been 391 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 6: the swing tackle pretty much from the first day of 392 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 6: camp and everything. You know, I think he he was 393 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,239 Speaker 6: obviously at that spot for them the whole time. So 394 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 6: they obviously like him to some degree. You know, I 395 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 6: don't obviously I don't think he'll be a you know, 396 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 6: would be the long term sutter or anything. But yeah, 397 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 6: I guess it's certainly on the table that they'll meet 398 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 6: him here these last six games. Well, depending on what 399 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 6: happens with Broder. 400 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 2: Chris Adamski with us here on the drive, Chris sounds 401 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 2: good for Aaron Rodgers, great optimism. I believe the exact 402 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:38,439 Speaker 2: words that that Mike Tomlin used, barring any setbacks, he 403 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 2: going to be under center for this big clash with 404 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 2: Buffalo on Sunday. 405 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 6: You know, I would answer in the affirmative, and I 406 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 6: certainly agree with that. But I probably said the same 407 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:51,120 Speaker 6: thing to you at the same time last week. 408 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 7: This time, yeah, you know, so I hate to so 409 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 7: that's all you know on me, I guess, but you 410 00:18:57,520 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 7: know I don't hate to be that confident again. And 411 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 7: even his latest Friday. 412 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 6: You know, I just watching practice. He was with the 413 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:07,959 Speaker 6: first team a lot of it. You know, I assumed 414 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 6: he was going to play, and so I don't know, 415 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 6: you know, when they made a decision on Saturday, man, 416 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 6: I guess we should have been a little more sluicy 417 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 6: whenever they made those moves with the promoting guys from 418 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 6: questionable on Saturday, and the didn't mention Rogers a little 419 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 6: bit like that was a little bit cost or pause 420 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 6: like I thought it would be getting a Saturday updates 421 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 6: saying Rogers was improved or you know, upgraded to no 422 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 6: injury designation as they say. So maybe that should have 423 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 6: been a hint at then he was going the other way. 424 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 6: But yeah, I guess it's just a matter of him 425 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 6: and he's wearing he was yesterday, was in the locker 426 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 6: room wearing the wearing the brace kind of the compression 427 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 6: and then a brace on top of that when he's 428 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,680 Speaker 6: when he's practicing and playing and everything. So it is 429 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:48,679 Speaker 6: a matter of I would think at this point, if 430 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 6: there was doubts about the functionality of the snap in 431 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 6: the exchange, whether it be shot down or under center, 432 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 6: I think if that was still a question, I don't 433 00:19:57,920 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 6: know how much better that could get. That that that's 434 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 6: seems to be you know, alieved, or that they seem 435 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 6: to be satisfied with that. It's a matter of okay, 436 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 6: you know, we're throwing him out there then or if 437 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 6: he you know, falls back again, he can't brace his 438 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 6: fall when he falls and you know, falls in his 439 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 6: tailbone or you know, whatever it might be in terms 440 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 6: of that, And that's probably more of that, but it 441 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 6: looks like it's trending that way, and you know if 442 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 6: if they're like at this point, you would think by 443 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 6: all indications and everybody says, Rogers definitely wanted to play, 444 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 6: so I would imagine especially coming after a loss, and 445 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 6: I seemed like we say every week it's a must win, 446 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:29,959 Speaker 6: but uh, it's not literally a must win, but it's 447 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 6: a pretty big game coming on Sunday. 448 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 3: Yeah it is. You mentioned Lowry, it'd be nice to 449 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 3: have for a week like this, and Ekwanu as well. 450 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 3: I mean, he's be a valuable deaf guy. Do you 451 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 3: expect hy A Black to basically just become the full 452 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 3: time harmon, you know, just a rookie for rookie swap there. 453 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 6: Yeah, you know it's he. I mean, he's obviously made 454 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 6: a big play yesterday or was a Sunday two days ago. 455 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 6: In terms of you saw him do that. He's been 456 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 6: ill say, but I guess in some ways as an 457 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 6: interior defensive lineman, it's not a bad thing, right, He's 458 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 6: not getting necessarily pushed back. So obviously he flashes at camp. 459 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 6: He obviously has a body size. He's seen him make 460 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 6: the I mean he got infamously or infamously famously batting 461 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 6: balls now and over and over and over again in camps. 462 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 6: You see that they haven't played him a large you know, 463 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 6: I don't know. I don't think they're worried about his 464 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 6: conditioning per se. I don't know if it's a trusting 465 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 6: or just they had other options or he just kind 466 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 6: of just you know, gradually work in the late round 467 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 6: rookie in terms of not giving him a heavy workload. 468 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 6: But yeah, they're for one thing, is like you like 469 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,880 Speaker 6: they're run out of bodies, right, Yeah, there's he had 470 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 6: another choice and we'll I guess we'll see, well his 471 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 6: hyphen into the roads that the other person. Yeah, so 472 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 6: they have him on the fifty three man, so I'm 473 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 6: sure he'll get a hat on on Sunday. So you know, 474 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 6: I wish I could uh shed more light on him, 475 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 6: but he's bretting you to the team, and you probably 476 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 6: know more than about him from just the league in general. 477 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 3: But I know as a prospect me, but I don't 478 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 3: know him as a Steeler. Yeah, yeah, and I would 479 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 3: just you know, I don't know who's been with the 480 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,159 Speaker 3: tea and I still don't pronounce his name, right, I 481 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 3: don't know anybody. 482 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 6: I just say, oh, like this, like at the time, 483 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 6: that's that's all I do. When a time I have 484 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 6: to reference him, so you know he's been in there, 485 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:24,919 Speaker 6: he's he's played minimally's but I would think not that anyway, 486 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 6: this is a turn into a positive. You lose a harming, 487 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 6: But I think I'm kind of eager and excited to 488 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 6: see Black play a play a big role here these 489 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,239 Speaker 6: last week. Yeah, well, we'll see how long it is 490 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 6: and to see how he performs. And I think, you know, 491 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 6: maybe really he pops a little bit and you really 492 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 6: feel like you have something going forward. 493 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 2: One area where we're I don't think is confident in 494 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 2: the depth is the wide receiver group, and we know 495 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 2: it's going to be, you know, kind of up in 496 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 2: the air. Questionable this week for DK metcalf limited early 497 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 2: in the week. Possible he could play on Sunday, Chris. 498 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 2: If he's not able to go. Could this be the 499 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 2: time that we see Marquez Voutez scantling. It just feels 500 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 2: like if you've got no DK, you need at least 501 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,400 Speaker 2: another big body type out there to kind of go 502 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 2: with the smaller, speedier, kind of more slot capable, you know, Calvin, 503 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 2: Austin Roman Wilson, Scottie Miller on down the line. 504 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 6: Yeah, and you would think, I mean they've had I 505 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 6: mean Keyshawan Williams is getting a hat for you know, 506 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 6: six or seven weeks, seven eight weeks in a row 507 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 6: now and they haven't even used them an offense. 508 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 3: Hardly at all. 509 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 6: So in other words, if they wanted to use them 510 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 6: on offense, they probably would have BUYD now, if that 511 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 6: makes sense. And yeah, if you're down DK, that that's 512 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 6: that's not good obviously, and you would think that would 513 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 6: be the break class in case of emergency the MPs situation. 514 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 6: You're right, you get a big body, you know, a 515 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 6: veteran guy, a guy that the quarterback has trust with 516 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 6: that there would be, assuming Rodgers of the it would 517 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 6: seem to make a lot of sense then at that point, 518 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 6: because whatever we want to talk about the vertical game 519 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 6: and the lack of vertical passing game and everything, if 520 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 6: you you take away DK, and I don't know, I 521 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 6: don't think they're gonna take any shots to go again 522 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 6: to Keishawan Williams or anything like that, And so you'd 523 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,160 Speaker 6: probably probably like to roll roll the dice and see 524 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 6: what other scanty can do. 525 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 3: And so Chris, I mean you were their post game 526 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 3: and you've been around the facility obviously, do you do 527 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:19,239 Speaker 3: you get the impression that they're very unsatisfied with their 528 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 3: past defense. 529 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,360 Speaker 6: Yeah, the whole this again, it's just that goes back 530 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 6: to the communication. Yeah, it seems like we talk about 531 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 6: all the time, and I mean there's no really excuse 532 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 6: for you know, whatever happened and whoever gets to blame 533 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 6: or whatever on the twenty five yard dja more pass 534 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 6: where he was just nobody near him and they didn't 535 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 6: have the body to cover him really, and and that 536 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 6: I mean everybody saw. I mean, I assume you've seen 537 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 6: the Jayalen Ramsey post gamers one word answers and everything 538 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 6: like that, and you know whatever, I don't want to 539 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 6: revisit the I mean, the guy who said it's not 540 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 6: even here anymore, I'll say in historic defense and all 541 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 6: the you know, the big names and everything, and even 542 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 6: sort of the way they talked about they wanted to 543 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 6: match up with people when they thought they could do 544 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 6: that when they had Sleigh and Porter and let alone 545 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,199 Speaker 6: got Ramsey then, and that they were projecting that to 546 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 6: be a strength and they really think of all the resources. 547 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 6: I mean, Spotny Eckles trading for Ramsey's dog and sleigh. 548 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 6: It just been and now you can trade some Doug Er. 549 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 6: It's just like the secondary has had so much attention 550 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,639 Speaker 6: paid to it, and it seems like they're always searching 551 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 6: for answers again and again. And you know, we not 552 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 6: week after week, but it pops up every couple of 553 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 6: weeks or so you wonder what's going on. And yeah, 554 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 6: when you're facing the raining MVP quarterback, that's not ideal, right, Yeah. 555 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 3: And people don't, I think, put enough attention on the 556 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 3: linebacker level and coverage too. And I'll be honest, I've 557 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,679 Speaker 3: kind of soured on the whole Malik Harrison experiment. I 558 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 3: just think when he's on the field, people want to 559 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 3: throw at him, you know. I mean, yeah, he's good 560 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 3: coming downhill, he can thump the run. He was helpful 561 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 3: against Jonathan Taylor, et cetera. But he's envision any you know, 562 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 3: pull him back on his snaps. 563 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I've been seeing more and more chatter 564 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,360 Speaker 6: just globally, as Mike Tone would say, around the league 565 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 6: about how offensive coordinators are kind of punching back to 566 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 6: or not punching, but they're they're almost putting a mock 567 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 6: the personnel out there to get you think they're doing something, 568 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 6: which I mean everybody's done for the time, right and said, 569 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 6: now they're putting bigger bull That's why you've see a 570 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 6: lot more tight ends the point where okay, we're putting 571 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,440 Speaker 6: bigger buys out there. We'll get their their bigger, bruisier 572 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 6: linebackers and then we'll exploit our coverage something. 573 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 3: It's a huge tread, Chris. I mean, that's why you're 574 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 3: seeing so much six tozer line thirteen personnel. They're just 575 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 3: pushing defenses. We want you to put as many off 576 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,640 Speaker 3: the ball linebackers on the field as possible because there's 577 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 3: not enough to go around. 578 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,439 Speaker 6: Yeah, and I mean we've seen I mean obviously, what 579 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 6: was that game three or four weeks ago where Peyton 580 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 6: Wilson has jumped off the page and probably should have 581 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,679 Speaker 6: won Defensive Player of the Week in the AFC and 582 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 6: lost out to his teammate Alex high Smith. And I 583 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,640 Speaker 6: mean that's what the envision to start. Isn't too a point. 584 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 6: I know Malie Harrison was always planning to be part 585 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,919 Speaker 6: of the defense, but it's you would think, yeah that, 586 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 6: I mean queen, the money they paid queen the queen, 587 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 6: what's the captain plays every single snap? And Peyton Wilson, Yeah, 588 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 6: there might be, especially if you're you are struggling and 589 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 6: overall generally speaking and past defense, I could probably see 590 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 6: that too, you know. But I mean they've talked about 591 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 6: all the time about there and this is this a 592 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 6: or the NFL second leading rusher coming in too, and 593 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 6: I don't know. Yeah, But then then it's the the 594 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 6: plus one aspect of Josh Allen, Well, how do you 595 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 6: counter that and his running ability? 596 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 5: Do you like? 597 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 3: That's running? 598 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 6: Obviously, that's rushing, but that's probably I would think more 599 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 6: of like Peyton Wilson is the answer to that, or 600 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 6: a queen rather than Emilie Carrison anyway, if that makes sense, 601 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 6: if you're worried about or accounting for Josh Allen's running 602 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 6: ability scrambling abilities. 603 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 4: Always a pleasure to be joined by Chris A. Damski. 604 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,439 Speaker 2: Make sure you're checking out all his work in the 605 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,479 Speaker 2: trip and of course listening to him and Tom on 606 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,440 Speaker 2: the Blitz every single day on the Steelers' audio network Buzz. 607 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 2: Thank you for taking the time. As always, dude, didn't 608 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 2: have a happy Thanksgiving. 609 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 6: You too, and everybody else. 610 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,479 Speaker 4: Take care of guys, you as well. There he goes. 611 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 4: Good stuff from one of our boots on the ground reporters. 612 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 3: There. 613 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 4: Yeah in Chris, A daily. 614 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 3: Lot of balls in the air this week. 615 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 2: A lot of balls in the air this week. Certainly 616 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 2: a lot of questions that hopefully we'll get some answers 617 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,360 Speaker 2: to as the UH as Sunday gets closer and closer, 618 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:32,639 Speaker 2: but for now, plenty to speculate upon, including Matt a 619 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 2: semi finalist class for the twenty twenty six Yeah, NFL 620 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. 621 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 3: Let's tame talk. 622 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 4: I do as well. 623 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 2: I'm with you on this one, and I think our 624 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 2: listeners do because anytime we have these conversations, we always 625 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 2: get a ton of tweets and reaction and response. The 626 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 2: semi finalists for the Hall of Fame twenty twenty six 627 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 2: class were announced earlier today. Hines Ward is involved, and 628 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 2: a lot of other big household names. We'll discuss that 629 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 2: when we return on the other side to close down 630 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 2: the first hour of the programs. Alert Matt Williamson. It 631 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 2: is the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers 632 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 2: Audio Network. 633 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 1: Your tunes about drive on your twenty four to seven 634 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio. 635 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 2: Matt, we have our twenty six twenty twenty six Hall 636 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 2: of Fame semifinalists. 637 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 4: H I wonder if they did that on purpose. 638 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 2: It's a little love it when a little uh is 639 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 2: it nomenclatcher or is that just words? 640 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 4: I don't know, alliteration something like that. 641 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 6: It. 642 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, But there are twenty six modern era players that 643 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 2: have been named as semi finalists for the Pro Football 644 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 2: Hall of Fame's Class of twenty twenty six. This list 645 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 2: will be cut down to ten in December, okay, before 646 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 2: going to a final vote. So twenty six semi finalists 647 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 2: down to ten at some point before the end of 648 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 2: the year here in the next few weeks. And amongst 649 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 2: those twenty six is of course Steelers wide receiver legend 650 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:18,959 Speaker 2: Hines Ward. 651 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. And we've brought this up in the past, but. 652 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, we've had these conversations over the years, but it 653 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 2: always is worth revisiting when it's I think Newsworthy like this. 654 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. And initially when he became eligible, I thought, eh, 655 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 3: great Steeler, no chance. I mean, he says, have the 656 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 3: numbers I mean slim chance. No chance is rough. I 657 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 3: mean he's a really really good player, and I don't 658 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 3: think he'll get in. To be honest with you, I mean, 659 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 3: wide receiver's tough. I'll be honest too that I thought 660 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 3: the last couple Hall of Fame classes were a little light. Yeah, 661 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 3: I mean that they were a little water. I don't 662 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 3: agree with you on that, And this one's better. 663 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,719 Speaker 4: It's gonna be pretty good. Really nice couple are going 664 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 4: to be pretty We got guys. 665 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 3: Like Brady and Ben and Gronk and Aaron Donald. I mean, 666 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 3: you got when you have no brainers, it makes it, 667 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 3: you know, eats things up pretty quick. So I don't 668 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 3: feel great about his chances this year or in the future, 669 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 3: But that doesn't diminish my respect for his game or 670 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 3: absolutely you mentioned it off the air. You know that 671 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 3: he is an important figure in NFL history. I couldn't 672 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,719 Speaker 3: agree more. And frankly, he plays a position much different 673 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 3: than most modern day Hall of Fame wide receivers. Oh 674 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 3: my gosh, you know, and that might work his favor 675 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 3: a little bit. Someone might just like I just like 676 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 3: the wave. 677 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 4: Plays, Yeah, his game versus you know. 678 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 3: Even like Randy Boss or you know, yeah. 679 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 4: Even someone like like George Pickens, you know who's lighting 680 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 4: up the league, right, somebody like that. Nobody like him, right, Yes, 681 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 4: And that was something Mike Tomlin actually kind of closed 682 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 4: his press conference with today, was talking about how, you know, 683 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 4: Hines Ward's impacts and contributions go beyond the numbers. And 684 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,080 Speaker 4: I think we all agree on that, sure, and I 685 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 4: do think that's you know this, I default to two 686 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 4: things in these conversations. The first is, if you have 687 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 4: to ask, the answer is no. And I know, I 688 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 4: know that that's strict. But when you say, Aaron Donald, 689 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 4: you don't have to ask. One day, when TJ comes 690 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 4: up for this, there's no conversation. 691 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 3: Sure he's going homes I mean, of course. 692 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 2: The second piece of that, though, is that I do 693 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 2: think hall of fame's Pro football Hall of Fame, Basketball 694 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 2: Hall of Fame, Baseball hall of Fame. 695 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 4: They're museums of the sport. That's what they are. 696 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 2: And so that's why, like, it bothers me that guys 697 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 2: like Pete Rose and Barry Bonds aren't in. 698 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 3: Oh, I think it's insane, you know. 699 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 2: It bothers me that, you know, such massive pieces of 700 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 2: history are left out and that is I think what 701 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 2: hines Ward has going for him. It's very hard to 702 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 2: tell the history of the NFL without bringing up hines 703 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 2: Ward and the rules that were made to change what 704 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 2: wide receivers can and can't do in the blocking game. 705 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 2: When you have that specific conversation. 706 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 3: And he was going to pass, catch the ball, and 707 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 3: by the way. 708 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 4: In his career, I mean, it's not like he was 709 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 4: just a meathead. 710 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. 711 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not thunder Dan out there at boundary knocking 712 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 4: people around, but it is. It's when when we when 713 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 4: we talk about this full class, I think it'll paint 714 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 4: the picture of the difficulty here, not just for Hin's Ward, 715 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 4: for a lot of these guys, Like it's it's nuts 716 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 4: to me, man. 717 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 2: This is the third year now that that Terrell Suggs 718 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 2: has been eligible. I know, and listen, we got no 719 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 2: love lost. 720 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 4: For that guy. 721 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 2: As much as you respect him as part of the 722 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 2: Steelers Ravens rivalry, you also hate him from the Steelers 723 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 2: Ravens rivalry. 724 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 3: But you wouldn't if he wasn't any good. 725 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 4: He's a great way to frame it. 726 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 3: He just ran at him all day long. You would 727 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 3: hate him. 728 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 2: He's top ten in NFL history in sacks. Yea like 729 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 2: come on, So with that being said, I want to 730 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 2: run through these twenty six names. 731 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 3: Okay, I'm real quick before you do. I love one 732 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 3: of the reasons I like Hall of Fame talks. Everyone 733 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 3: looks at it a little differently. 734 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 4: It's fun. 735 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, like you called it a 736 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 3: museum of the sport, which I don't see it exactly 737 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 3: that way. You know, like, Okay, this is pretty pretty painting, 738 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 3: but he wasn't good enough at blocking pep or whatever. 739 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 3: It doesn't go in And I know it's not exactly 740 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 3: what you meant, but to me, it's like, are you 741 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 3: good enough for you or not? And to me wards 742 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,359 Speaker 3: slightly below that line, you know, in terms of all 743 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 3: the receivers that are in, would he be one of 744 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:32,359 Speaker 3: the worst, which is the dumbest worst. It's like being 745 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,319 Speaker 3: the ugliest girl at the beauty people, right, I mean, 746 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 3: come on, what are we doing? So what I did 747 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 3: actually today on a different podcast was I picked my 748 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 3: six of who I would go, but I didn't put 749 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,239 Speaker 3: two and two together at the time that this is 750 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 3: going to get whittled down to ten. So maybe because 751 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 3: I'd rather do that, because I think there's three that 752 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 3: are in. 753 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 2: Let me guess, Drew Brees, Yes, Larry Fitzgerald this sugs 754 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 2: the other one, Keithley's the He's a shocker to me 755 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,279 Speaker 2: too that he didn't get in first ballot. 756 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,799 Speaker 3: And that also bothers me to no end it. Sometimes 757 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 3: we're just not gonna put him in on the first ballot, 758 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,920 Speaker 3: Like Gates in a week class two years ago should 759 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 3: have went in, but he had to wait till last year. 760 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,440 Speaker 3: I didn't wait one year. Yes, I mean he was 761 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,880 Speaker 3: clearly one of the best six to begin with. Yes, 762 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 3: So to me, those three are slammed dungks. 763 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:25,840 Speaker 4: Okay, so so breeze Keithley and la fitz I agree 764 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 4: with you on that is. 765 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 3: The best linebacker since Ray Lewis and is every bit 766 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:31,239 Speaker 3: the player Lewis was. 767 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 2: He's unbelievable. I might fight you a little bit on 768 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 2: Patrick Willis, but not Yeah. 769 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:36,719 Speaker 4: I mean, I don't think Fred Warner in there. I 770 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 4: don't think it's insane to say. And he had a 771 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 4: much longer career I think than Eh. 772 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 5: No. 773 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 4: I guess they both had a similar. 774 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,799 Speaker 2: Kind of length of career key and neither of them 775 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 2: played crazy long. 776 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 4: I think those three. I might put Suggs into that 777 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 4: tier as well, but I don't know though. Those three, though, 778 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 4: when I'm saying it out loud, do kind of feel 779 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 4: like they're in there in their own conversation. 780 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, feel fee to fight and fight me, of course. 781 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 3: But let's buzz through each name and say no to 782 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 3: the top ten or possibly to the top ten. 783 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 4: So like yes, like yes, no, maybe. 784 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah exactly At seven more spots. 785 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 2: Willie Anderson AFC North offensive tackle, long time for the Bengals, 786 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,480 Speaker 2: one year for the Ravens. This is his seventh time 787 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 2: as a semi finalist. No, I think he's another haul 788 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 2: of really good right right. 789 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,960 Speaker 3: I mean we've made fun of all time great Bengals, 790 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:28,360 Speaker 3: but he's high on that list. 791 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,320 Speaker 2: Drew Brees, Yes, yes, don't think that needs much. This 792 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 2: is his first time being up. He's gonna be a 793 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:39,479 Speaker 2: first ballot. Lomas Brown another offensive tackle, his first time 794 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,720 Speaker 2: making it to this stage. No, I don't think so either. 795 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 2: Another really good player. 796 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 3: But neither one of those guys is like Ogden. 797 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:51,839 Speaker 2: Joe Thomas y yeah right, Jarry Evans part of those 798 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,880 Speaker 2: Drew Brees New Orleans Saints teams. This is his fifth 799 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 2: time as a semi finalist. 800 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 4: Very good guard. 801 00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,480 Speaker 3: I think he's got a better case than those two 802 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 3: tackles just mentioned, but he's still a no. I know 803 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,320 Speaker 3: I can come up with ten names ahead of him. 804 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 2: This one's very easy. Larry Fitzgerald y, Yes, yeah, first 805 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:08,359 Speaker 2: time he's in. 806 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:09,279 Speaker 3: Forget about it. 807 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,319 Speaker 2: Forget about it. Also up for the first time. One 808 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,919 Speaker 2: of the great compilers in sports history. And I don't 809 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:15,760 Speaker 2: mean that as an insight. 810 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:17,600 Speaker 3: Now it's hard at this position to be a compiler. 811 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:18,719 Speaker 4: It's exactly right. 812 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 2: I think it's a a you know, some people think 813 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,080 Speaker 2: of that as kind of the game manager thing that 814 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:28,120 Speaker 2: you could say about quarterbacks, but Frank Gore, maybe he's 815 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:29,200 Speaker 2: a he's a real man. 816 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:30,719 Speaker 4: I think he'll get in eventually. 817 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:31,840 Speaker 3: I think it's possible. 818 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,080 Speaker 4: Not first ballot, but I think what is he like 819 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:34,600 Speaker 4: third ever? 820 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:39,080 Speaker 3: And I'm pretty sure an NFL history his problem. I 821 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,520 Speaker 3: don't think he was ever the best back in the league, 822 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,799 Speaker 3: and he probably was never in the top two or three, 823 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:44,839 Speaker 3: and if so, was. 824 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,760 Speaker 4: For a year, but had a great career. The numbers 825 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:48,399 Speaker 4: do not lie. 826 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:50,560 Speaker 2: I think he's one that will have to wait for 827 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 2: a while, but could certainly get in eventually. 828 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 3: Again, that was kind of my era at pitt with 829 00:37:55,320 --> 00:38:00,000 Speaker 3: Larry against the U and that was mcgaye. He poured 830 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,240 Speaker 3: and they all had the most respect for Gore. Yeah, 831 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,040 Speaker 3: I mean he's kind of all those guys. Yeah. The 832 00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:07,399 Speaker 3: biggest dog in that room. 833 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 2: Rodney Harrison safety of the New England Patriots, of Court 834 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,719 Speaker 2: Chargers and then the Patriots was with Tom Brady won 835 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,440 Speaker 2: a couple of Super Bowls there. He's another to me, 836 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:16,439 Speaker 2: hall of really good. 837 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:17,400 Speaker 3: He's a note to me. 838 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,839 Speaker 4: This is his sixth time as a semi finalist, but. 839 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,680 Speaker 3: There's been two or three safeties that I got in 840 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,360 Speaker 3: that were real questionable to me. I mean, like Atwater 841 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:25,879 Speaker 3: was really good and he just got in. That's why 842 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 3: I kind of thought these last couple classes were a 843 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:27,960 Speaker 3: little light. 844 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 2: Matt the only player in this conversation that has advanced 845 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 2: to this stage more times than Hines Ward. Another wide receiver, 846 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:42,200 Speaker 2: Tory Holt. This is his twelve times a semi final 847 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:42,919 Speaker 2: get to this point. 848 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 3: It's pretty I mean, the writing's on the wall and 849 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 3: everyone's heard. So like Dale, explain this to me because 850 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,440 Speaker 3: he did it with Troy, you know, as he was 851 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,759 Speaker 3: the guy in the room that represented the Steelers to 852 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,759 Speaker 3: get him in, And I always think about it from 853 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,000 Speaker 3: that perspective, like, whoever the Tory Holt guy is he 854 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 3: shot speech like it's the same voters, it's the same speech. 855 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 3: Maybe he's been super close and this time he gets 856 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,120 Speaker 3: the nod. And frankly, I thought he deserved it more 857 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,360 Speaker 3: than Isaac Bruce, who is in. I'll call him a maybe, 858 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,239 Speaker 3: but I don't he I mean, he was not. I 859 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:16,680 Speaker 3: didn't consider him for my top six. 860 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:21,480 Speaker 4: Luke Keigley, Yes, yes, don't make this man wait another year. 861 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's nuts. 862 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,440 Speaker 4: Also a bit of a surprise. 863 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,200 Speaker 2: I don't think he should have gotten in last year, 864 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:27,799 Speaker 2: but I was a little surprised he didn't get in 865 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,319 Speaker 2: last year on the ballot once again for the second time. 866 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:31,520 Speaker 4: Eli Manning. 867 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,440 Speaker 3: He's a no for me, but I want to put 868 00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,120 Speaker 3: him in the Maybes and I think he goes this year. 869 00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,040 Speaker 3: I'm convinced he's gonna go. 870 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,520 Speaker 4: Him and Breeze together doesn't help him. 871 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,640 Speaker 3: That there's a lot of quarterbacks rivers up this year. 872 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,360 Speaker 4: For the first the first time as well. 873 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:48,359 Speaker 5: Well. 874 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,200 Speaker 3: They mentioned like Brady and Ben and some of the 875 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,759 Speaker 3: quarterbacks retiring around him doesn't help his cause. I think 876 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,680 Speaker 3: he'll get in. I don't think he's a Hall of 877 00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:56,479 Speaker 3: Fame player though. 878 00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,880 Speaker 2: Robert Math speaking of Peyton Manning Manning family, Robert mathis 879 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:05,200 Speaker 2: of course part of that Colt's era with Peyton Manning. 880 00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:06,840 Speaker 2: This is his fifth time as a finalist. 881 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,000 Speaker 4: He's a haul of really good Yeah. Oh yeah, Philip 882 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:12,520 Speaker 4: Rivers first time nominated. 883 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,480 Speaker 3: To me, he's much more deserving than Eli. Not like 884 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,560 Speaker 3: it's close. I think he's the way better player, So 885 00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,040 Speaker 3: I'll put him as a maybe. But I don't think 886 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:21,520 Speaker 3: he's gonna go. 887 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,319 Speaker 2: I don't think he's gonna go this year. No, he 888 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,840 Speaker 2: don't have to wait terribly long, I hope not. Another 889 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:31,439 Speaker 2: very good, very talented wide receiver, Steve Smith Senior. It's 890 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,280 Speaker 2: his fifth time as a semi finalist. 891 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,720 Speaker 3: I don't I think he's like the same conversation as Holt, 892 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,120 Speaker 3: so I'll stick him in the maybees. But I he 893 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:39,960 Speaker 3: didn't make my top six. I didn't consider him for 894 00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,320 Speaker 3: my top six. But you can get the six pretty 895 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:43,040 Speaker 3: quick in this class. 896 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:43,640 Speaker 4: Yeah you can't. 897 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:48,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, uh, semi finalist for the second time from ball 898 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,439 Speaker 2: so hard University, t sizzle or else. 899 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,759 Speaker 3: Also, maybe he didn't make my my sixth and he 900 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:56,080 Speaker 3: was my he was my seventh guy. 901 00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,360 Speaker 4: But he has to get in eventually. 902 00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:00,520 Speaker 3: I think so too. I think he's a Hall of 903 00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:01,400 Speaker 3: Fame worthy player. 904 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,520 Speaker 2: Another running back who's been to this stage now for 905 00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,440 Speaker 2: the seventh time, Fred Taylor. 906 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,319 Speaker 3: No, but he was tremendous hall of really good. Yeah, tremendous. 907 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:15,239 Speaker 4: Probably same for me. Earl Thomas, he was a yes 908 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:15,600 Speaker 4: for me. 909 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:17,160 Speaker 3: He was in my sixth. 910 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:18,800 Speaker 4: You're a big fan of Earl Thomas. 911 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,400 Speaker 3: I am. Now. The last couple of years years of 912 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,719 Speaker 3: his career were miserable, and I don't think he's the 913 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,719 Speaker 3: most popular fellow, you know. I mean, I gather that, 914 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,120 Speaker 3: but I thought he was the best Seattle defender on 915 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,000 Speaker 3: the legion of Boom and the most important. 916 00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,000 Speaker 4: Even more so than Here's probably maybe Richard. 917 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:39,560 Speaker 3: Put three in the Yes, Keith Lee, Uh reason so 918 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,279 Speaker 3: he but he was one of my final six. 919 00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,439 Speaker 2: Also a semi finalist for the second time. Big shout 920 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,040 Speaker 2: out to our brother Dale Lawley, his favorite player, Adam 921 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:48,680 Speaker 2: VINTERI huge. 922 00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:48,800 Speaker 4: No. 923 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 2: If Dale is in there throwing something at the wall, 924 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,600 Speaker 2: get this guy out of here. We mentioned hinz Ward. 925 00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,000 Speaker 2: This is his tenth time as a semi finalist. 926 00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:58,200 Speaker 3: Matt. 927 00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,359 Speaker 2: Like I said, Tory Holt the only one who has 928 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,520 Speaker 2: reached this stage just to be turned away more times 929 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:04,000 Speaker 2: than Hunts. 930 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:05,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think it's a no. 931 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:06,239 Speaker 4: I think so too. 932 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:07,960 Speaker 3: I would put Smith in Hold ahead of him. 933 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:09,880 Speaker 2: I would love it if Heines got in. It'd be 934 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:13,040 Speaker 2: amazing for him, the Steelers and rooting for him hard. 935 00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,040 Speaker 2: But it's just very difficult when you keep going down 936 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:16,120 Speaker 2: this list of wide receivers. 937 00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,279 Speaker 4: Reggie Wayne, that's also a no. 938 00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,160 Speaker 3: And he's behind those guys, but he's really good. 939 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,160 Speaker 4: This is the seventh time Reggie Wayne has been a 940 00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:24,920 Speaker 4: semi finalist. 941 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,240 Speaker 3: I mean, if Larry's in and Hines is competing with Smith, 942 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,160 Speaker 3: Holton Wayne, a tough group at seven. Yeah, you can 943 00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,080 Speaker 3: make case for all of them, but none of them 944 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:34,800 Speaker 3: is a yes. Yes for sure. 945 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:36,719 Speaker 2: Back to the trenches here for a few of these. 946 00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:41,240 Speaker 2: Matt Richmond Webb offensive tackle in the nineties. 947 00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,280 Speaker 4: His second time as a semi finalist. No, No, Vince 948 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,120 Speaker 4: will Fork interesting one fifth time as a semi finalist. 949 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:48,880 Speaker 4: I think he's a Hall of famer. 950 00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:49,439 Speaker 3: I do too. 951 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,440 Speaker 2: I don't know when with a lot of these guys win, 952 00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:53,640 Speaker 2: but I feel like they're gonna get in. 953 00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,800 Speaker 3: Him and Suggs were right outside my six, but definitely 954 00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,239 Speaker 3: would be in my ten. And I would love to 955 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,560 Speaker 3: make the case for him. He's got rings. Oh, him 956 00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:03,920 Speaker 3: and Hampton were the pre eminent nose tacks. 957 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:04,520 Speaker 4: Unbelievable. 958 00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,399 Speaker 3: Actually, I'd hate to make case for him because there's 959 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:07,560 Speaker 3: not much to hat him. 960 00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:12,960 Speaker 4: Right, like like big Hamp, like big Snack. 961 00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:18,480 Speaker 2: Another defensive tackle, Kevin Williams, No, No, Hall of Really Good? Uh, 962 00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,640 Speaker 2: Steve was Nowski starred Hall of Really Good third time 963 00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:25,400 Speaker 2: as a semi finalist. Oh, Jason Witten, first time eligible. 964 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,200 Speaker 3: He was in my top six. But I bet he 965 00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,440 Speaker 3: gets the Gates treatment where they make him wait a year. 966 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,200 Speaker 2: Let me go, I'm gonna go through this in a minute. 967 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,759 Speaker 2: Darren Woodson tenth right there with Hines, tenth time as 968 00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:40,040 Speaker 2: a semi finalist. No, and also of the Baltimore Ravens. 969 00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,279 Speaker 2: Marshall yonda second time as a semi he was my 970 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,080 Speaker 2: sixth guy he made. 971 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,279 Speaker 4: So your six were the top three or easy? Yes? 972 00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:51,360 Speaker 4: And then you had Witten, Witton yonda. 973 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:55,120 Speaker 3: Earl and earl and I just missed were will Fork 974 00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:55,680 Speaker 3: and Suggs. 975 00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,560 Speaker 4: Where'd you have Philip rivers on? There after? 976 00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:03,120 Speaker 3: Those two with them. I mean, so he would definitely 977 00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:03,960 Speaker 3: be my ten to two. 978 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:08,880 Speaker 4: All right, my six, Drew Brees, Larry Fitzgerald, Luke Keighley, Stone, 979 00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,480 Speaker 4: cold Locks, chisel it in Stone. 980 00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:14,120 Speaker 3: You're gonna put Sugs in. 981 00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,080 Speaker 4: Well, I'm gonna put Suggs in, which. 982 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:17,640 Speaker 3: I'm totally cool with. I think he will go. 983 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:25,160 Speaker 4: Mmm. Then it gets very very difficult. Mm hmm, Sugs four. 984 00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:29,160 Speaker 3: It's brutal this year. 985 00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:30,680 Speaker 4: This is really tough. 986 00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:34,400 Speaker 3: It's so tough. And Dale said, like, as a voter, 987 00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,360 Speaker 3: he kind of had a preconceived notion who he was 988 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,120 Speaker 3: gonna pick. But then you listen to all these smart 989 00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,239 Speaker 3: people in the in the small room making a case 990 00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,200 Speaker 3: for their guy, and it's like, man, how do I 991 00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:46,399 Speaker 3: keep that guy at the Hall of Fame? 992 00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,560 Speaker 4: Sugs? Will Fork, You're. 993 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,640 Speaker 3: Going, yes on will Fork. I respect that. 994 00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:54,919 Speaker 4: I think I am. It's time. 995 00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:56,440 Speaker 3: I think he's super important. 996 00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,560 Speaker 4: I think so too. He was probably the best defensive 997 00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,480 Speaker 4: piece those Patriots dynasties. 998 00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,400 Speaker 3: Seymour was next to him for a bunch and he 999 00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,200 Speaker 3: got in. He got in, and I thought that was 1000 00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:06,840 Speaker 3: gonna be a struggle because he doesn't have great He 1001 00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:07,920 Speaker 3: is the Aaron Smith. 1002 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:12,719 Speaker 4: Version exactly right, man, Matt. Oh, dude, I don't know. 1003 00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,000 Speaker 2: Drew Brees, Larry finally answer Drew Brees, Larry Fitzgerald, Luke 1004 00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,279 Speaker 2: Keighley ball so hard university. 1005 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,399 Speaker 4: Will fork, will fork five O. 1006 00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:27,560 Speaker 3: Good list? 1007 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:29,280 Speaker 4: Eli Manning six. 1008 00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:31,520 Speaker 3: I think we're going. 1009 00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:33,880 Speaker 2: I think him and Rivers are both going, but I 1010 00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,080 Speaker 2: think they'll give Eli the nod ahead of Rivers. I 1011 00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:38,840 Speaker 2: don't think they want either of those guys to be 1012 00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,960 Speaker 2: first Pallocks. It's like Brady's gonna be first ballot. Are 1013 00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,279 Speaker 2: they gonna do that same nonsense to Ben? I hope not. 1014 00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,040 Speaker 3: I hope not. I think Ben will get the Breeze treatment, 1015 00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,400 Speaker 3: which is pretty much just you're in yeah, because I 1016 00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,560 Speaker 3: think Elion Rivers are slightly below Breeze. 1017 00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:55,360 Speaker 2: Dude, this could be a good class man. It is 1018 00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,279 Speaker 2: really really good class I enjoyed that conversation. We know 1019 00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,120 Speaker 2: you guys will let us know what you think in 1020 00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:04,000 Speaker 2: the Twitter mentions and in the YouTube comments. But always 1021 00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:05,560 Speaker 2: fun to kind of kick that stuff around. 1022 00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:06,479 Speaker 4: Matt. 1023 00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:07,960 Speaker 2: We come back on the other side, I want to 1024 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,680 Speaker 2: do a little combination of Tuesday rewind and Fantasy Football 1025 00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,520 Speaker 2: Focus with you. If that's all right, We'll getting all 1026 00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,520 Speaker 2: those things, power rankings, a whole bunch in hour number two, 1027 00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,600 Speaker 2: as we roll along Euler Williamson the drive on the 1028 00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:21,920 Speaker 2: Steelers Audio Network