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Speaker 1: Um so brave of her to appear in a movie

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00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 1: about Danish people. I would love to hear while we're

426
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 1: on the movies. Actually, so I've seen I I don't

427
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,679
Speaker 1: know if I've seen the tomb Raters sequel, but I

428
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: have seen the o G and I have seen the

429
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: Atlicia vit Kender one. Okay, well, speaking of Danish, speaking

430
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 1: of Danish people, and the tomb Rater's sequel. Um. The

431
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 1: person who directed the tomb Raters sequel's name is um Jandabant,

432
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,360
Speaker 1: and he also directed Speed and Twister, which I did

433
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:56,120
Speaker 1: not Wow. What an incredible filmography. I love Speed and

434
00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: I love Twister yeah, and then he did Laura Croft, Colin,

435
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: Tomb Writer, Dash, The Cradle of Life. Okay, So I

436
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 1: remember the movies as being kind of magical, maybe in

437
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: a way that the games weren't. I don't know. The

438
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 1: games were always pretty magical. They always had it always

439
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: got um you like later in the game there was

440
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 1: always it like was revealed that there was a supernatural

441
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 1: element happening. But yeah, the movie from the Job is

442
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: like Illuminati, um the like it's like the changing of

443
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 1: the celestial Like I don't know, I don't know what. Yeah,

444
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: we're talking about the plot. We're talking about the plot

445
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 1: as if it mattered to anyone in this film or

446
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: like anyone who watches it was no, no, I just

447
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: the only thing I really remember was that Angelia and

448
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 1: Julie's real life dad, who she was a strange from,

449
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: played her dad in the movie, John John White. Yeah. Yeah,

450
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 1: and it was there like it was their first like,

451
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: um really, it was like their reunion was on this movie.

452
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 1: And then I think right after the movie they like

453
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 1: went back to being Yeah. He was like, well I

454
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 1: did it for the check and now I'm out. I

455
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 1: love that. Like everyone involved was like, yeah, this kind

456
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 1: of like healing reparative, like reunion of two estranged souls

457
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 1: is going to come together? On Laura Croft to writer, right,

458
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: what a space to work through your trauma? Like, come on,

459
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: that's probably superstar celebrity family like therapy. Like what the fuck? Well?

460
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: I mean that this was when did the first two

461
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: movie come out two thousand and one, and then number

462
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: two came out in two thousand three, So this was

463
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: peak Angelina being like most famous actress in the world. Yeah,

464
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: and so it but also like was this kind of

465
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 1: like the beginning of her sort of um like re

466
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: contextualization as someone who was like a little bit more

467
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: serious And maybe that's why the dad reconciliation happened. Maybe yeah,

468
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: because it's like I'm I'm a big box office star.

469
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: Now I'm not just this wild child who's swapping vials

470
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: of blood and making out with my brother. I have

471
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: my ship together. I mean, Tomb Writer at the time

472
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: was the biggest grossing film with a female headlining lead.

473
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: Um and then like the but the like Them DVD

474
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: sales like doubled after that, so it was a huge phenomenon. Um. So,

475
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, I can see John voit signing on

476
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: for the jack. It's like it was huge, you know.

477
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: I am so fascinated by just like the how big

478
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: it became immediately, Like it's like I'm looking back on

479
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: like I don't really I didn't really remember much about

480
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: it because I don't think I watched them as a kid.

481
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: But like you just think, like, oh, like this, it's

482
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 1: just a franchise that is like in large part, you

483
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: know about breasts and in small part about a lot

484
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: of other things, but like guns yeah, yeah, and guns

485
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: were guns yeah, but something that like I I felt

486
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: like and I I could be totally fudging this. I'm

487
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 1: the true virgin of this conversation, so I have seen

488
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: a few things. But I actually didn't even know that

489
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: Angelina Jolie made out with her brother, which I will

490
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: want context on in a second, like when I did

491
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: not know when it comes to like her in this role, though,

492
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: I do feel like she took something that's like really shallow.

493
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: I think she does this with a lot of her roles, right,

494
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: It's like she takes something that's really shallow, like she

495
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: takes a bimbo archetype or something that just doesn't have

496
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 1: a lot of depth to it. And she kind of

497
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 1: adds this like darkness and this ad assery and becomes

498
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,719
Speaker 1: something that like both men and women like want to

499
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,959
Speaker 1: like consume and look at. Yeah, she is a BiCon

500
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: and I think she does that with a lot of

501
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: her roles and that that's like really shown in something

502
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: that is like something as kind of trash as tomb

503
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: raader Um She'll say trash, but you know, yeah, like

504
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: how dare you? Um? The fan base loved the movies

505
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: because it gave the it gave she had gravitas and

506
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: she did she she like didn't play it as not hot,

507
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: but she did. She played it more as like the

508
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: focus was the kind of Indiana Jones aspect of that character.

509
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: She's like primarily a photojournalists, like primarily like the gun

510
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: woman and like and interested in like this the like

511
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:18,479
Speaker 1: um mission at hand. You know. Um, So what was

512
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: your when you first watched the movies? Like what was

513
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: your impression like going into I just we haven't even

514
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: gotten to talk about like your journey with it or

515
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: like whether it's like you're analogy what you liked about

516
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: it then or what you like about it now or

517
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: I just would love to hear about your relationship to

518
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: like lac so I like I immediately. I mean, I

519
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: would have loved it even if it was awful, And

520
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: I mean I've watched it a lot over the years.

521
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: I don't think it's an awful movie. It's it's pretty

522
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: like standard, but it's it's not bad. But I my

523
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: like most distinct memory of seeing it in the theater

524
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: with my mom was there's a scene where Daniel Craig

525
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: comes out of the shower with his towel low slung

526
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: on his hips, and I got the biggest like pre boner,

527
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: like heart palpitations and not like visible boner, but like

528
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: I was just like, what's happening? And and I have

529
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: so much though that I had to tell my mom afterwards.

530
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: I was like, I feel really because we were like

531
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: Christian or whatever. I was like, I've I don't know

532
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: what's happening, and I feel really bad, and she's like, oh,

533
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: it's it's fine. Like nudity can make you feel weird,

534
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: it's not even it's like girls shirtless shirtless is nudity

535
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: when you're a Christian. Let's be clear, like that, it's true.

536
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: It's true. There's wrist as nudity. I remember really enjoying it.

537
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: But I think it was because of the of the

538
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: like girl boss nous of it all, Like just that

539
00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: wasn't a lot of like female lead stuff at the time.

540
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 1: Um and a strong woman. Yeah, and I, oh, you

541
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: know what I'm recalling now is that I did have

542
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: a Lara Croft action figure, which one I don't I

543
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: think it was must have been one of the earliest

544
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,720
Speaker 1: ones because like late I think, maybe even before the

545
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: movie came out, because I think I went into um

546
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 1: the store that it's what what game Stop is now,

547
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: but it used to be called something else before that.

548
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, or at least it wasn't my mall.

549
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: And I remember, like so at that point in my childhood,

550
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: girl action figures were what I was allowed to have

551
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: instead of dolls because I couldn't have dolls obviously, because

552
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: you know, not for boys. Um and so I would

553
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: find the most fem action figure possible. And I think

554
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: when I bought that Lara Croft action figure, I didn't

555
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: even know what tomb Writer was, but I was just like, Oh,

556
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,959
Speaker 1: here's this like hot bitch that I can play with,

557
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: and I bought her. Yeah, I mean that she is

558
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: like a perfect um a perfect like mirror in that way,

559
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: because it's like she's so cunt. It's not so porny

560
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: that you like feel weird about it, but it is

561
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: porny enough that like a parent can look at it

562
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: and be like, oh, this kid is like horny for

563
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: this doll. That's why. That's why this kid wants it. Yeah,

564
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:41,439
Speaker 1: he loves her jugs or and it's like yes, but

565
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: like not because the way you're thinking about it exactly exactly.

566
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: So she's she like there's a lot to like be

567
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 1: reflected upon Lara Croft. You know, yes, and she is

568
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 1: she is, but a vessel because like she it doesn't

569
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: sound like she has much of a personality. Is that

570
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: rude of me to say? I know it's not rude

571
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: of you to say, but um, she is reserved, and

572
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,240
Speaker 1: I maybe it's just because I've spent so much time

573
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: with the games. It's like she's cold. But I do

574
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: think she has a personality. And that's why I like

575
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: the new games are such a travesty to me, because

576
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,439
Speaker 1: while the gameplay is good and the graphics are good

577
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: and everything, she used to have these like one liners

578
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,320
Speaker 1: where she would like do a somersault into a cave

579
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: and like shoot a guy and be like sucks to

580
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: be don't like not that, but it was like it's

581
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: like she had this like May West thing going on

582
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: where she was like sexy and and violent or like,

583
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: oh my god, who played Austin Powers Dad Michael Caine,

584
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: Michael Caine, Michael Caine. She had this like kind of

585
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: like Michael Caine, like I don't know, it was like

586
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 1: this weird um yeah, one liner are kind of like

587
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: May West Samantha thing going on, but like with violence.

588
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: So that's such a personality. And now I'm just imagining

589
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: Samantha Jones as Laura Croft like that's that's why she's

590
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: not on and just like that, she's pivoted to being

591
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 1: a photojournalist adventurer, and I am unfortunately imagining her like

592
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: like going into a cave stealing like a thousands year

593
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: old artifact and going oh oh, you know kind of

594
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: like likes like ceremonial dag, why don't you stab me?

595
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, um yeah, I I think that like honestly

596
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: thinking about like her her character as an archetype or

597
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 1: like what the the video game world that she belonged

598
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 1: to before that, right, like Final Fantasy Street Fighter Mortal

599
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: Kombat or whatever, which was as kind of Rose was

600
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: saying at the beginning of this conversation, like you know,

601
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 1: big booby girls with long hair, maybe too words, and

602
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: they're wearing like basically like three pieces of fabric, you

603
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And that's like what you know,

604
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 1: maybe part of like who she was in the legacy

605
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,879
Speaker 1: of And I feel like, I don't know, seeing her

606
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: on screen or like seeing what like Angelina brought her,

607
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: uh like made it into something that was like I

608
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: don't know, like that we could engage with, like beyond

609
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: like I guess what like the male gaze was on it,

610
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: not to be like totally like you know, intellectual about it,

611
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: but like it was just fun like and I think

612
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 1: that like we can go all like a lot of

613
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 1: people can be like, oh, it's like so girl bosster,

614
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 1: like now that Lesha Vikander wears like ari I and

615
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: has her Camella pot sponsorship or whatever, like it's like feminists,

616
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 1: but it actually is, like it's not even about that.

617
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: It's just about like the magnanimous nous that like made

618
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 1: her character like human and three dimensional. And I don't

619
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: think that really exists in a lot of video game

620
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: characters prior. Yeah, and especially if you're not a gamer,

621
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: you're just seeing this image of this like this girl

622
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: that because previously in video games, it's like the girl

623
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: was always like you know, it's like kind of like nonverbal,

624
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: just like tits um. But like Angelina really like breathed

625
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: life for especially people who hadn't interacted with the games

626
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: and like gave it this like rounder um understanding and

627
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 1: like brought our culture. Um yeah, because this was also

628
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: I was just looking it up. Angelina won her Oscar

629
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 1: in two thousand because um, girl interrupted came out so

630
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: like she was sort of like at her peak of

631
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: being a serious actress coming into this franchise, like kind

632
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: of the way that we see with franchises now, we're

633
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 1: like Marvel picks up all of these like big stars

634
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 1: to come in and like make the like shooting lasers

635
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: at each other seem a little bit more wait wady Um.

636
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: So I guess Angelina was kind of, you know, the

637
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:10,760
Speaker 1: at the forefront of that movement totally, and like this

638
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: movie like really had a big impact on her life

639
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: because it was shot in Cambodia and that was where

640
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 1: she started like her whole like activism career is based

641
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: around Cambodia, which is like um, but for better words,

642
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 1: I don't know, like there have been stories about her

643
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: being kind of weird with the people in Cambodia, but

644
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: she did that documentary, um not without my father or something.

645
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: I forget what like you know about um about the

646
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: children in Cambodia. But um. But yeah, it's like I

647
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 1: think this movie like really like defined her career and

648
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 1: her personal life in a lot of ways, which is

649
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: interesting because her career, I think so many parts of

650
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 1: her career have defined the way she's viewed, like made

651
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,399
Speaker 1: like more than more than I think any of the

652
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: big like movie stars who and and like that's that's

653
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 1: such a part of the conversation now that like we

654
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 1: don't have movie stars anymore. But Angelina like went through

655
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 1: so many different eras you know, she was like the

656
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: bad girl who was like fucking Billy Bob Thornton and

657
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: the limo on the way to the Gone sixty seconds

658
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: from here, and then she was like the action star

659
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: and the activist, and then she was Branngelina. She was

660
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:35,280
Speaker 1: you know the like home Wrecker turned like a list couple. Um,

661
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: and now I mean everything is so consumed by like

662
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: what's going on between her and Brad Pitt and you

663
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 1: know the like abuse allegations. Yeah, it really is awful.

664
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: But she like she has really lived so many public

665
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:54,439
Speaker 1: lives it's crazy. Yeah, it's very Elizabeth Taylor. She's got

666
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: a very Taylor thing going on. What are like some

667
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: of the like similarities to you, because I actually don't

668
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: know that much about Elizabeth Taylor either, unfortunately, I think honestly,

669
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: I mean, Elizabeth Taylor was kind of defined by her

670
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: husband's and her weight, like for better or worse, Like

671
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,720
Speaker 1: that's kind of that was kind of the story during

672
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 1: while she was alive. It's like Joan River, that's like

673
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: what Joan Rivers would talk about when she talked about

674
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Taylor. But she, yeah, she has she she has

675
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,760
Speaker 1: all these like visual eras you could say like Elizabeth

676
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: Taylor seventies like caftans, you could say Elizabeth Taylor like sixties,

677
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,399
Speaker 1: which is like a defined like makeup style or like

678
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: earlier is like cat on a hot tin roof. And

679
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: then like her later career where she's like this fabulous

680
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: old woman and she's got the fragrances and and she

681
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:54,439
Speaker 1: does like little weird fun project like the flint Stones. Yes, yeah,

682
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:58,720
Speaker 1: I still like maybe like Elizabeth Taylor and Angelina Jolie,

683
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: like they both have this kind of like darkness right,

684
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: Like it's like it's like a darkness. It's like, um

685
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: a gumption. Um, you like understand that a lot of

686
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 1: their characters are like maybe a little a little tortured

687
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: or like have been through some show or maybe a

688
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: little bit of a woman on the verge of a

689
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: nervous breakdown, and yet their characterization still has this like impermeability,

690
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: like really unfazed, really untouchable. Like I think of Angelina

691
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: Jolie as like someone who plays a lot of indestructible characters.

692
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: Um yeah, and I guess yeah, I kind of now

693
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: I'm I see like the kind of lineage I had

694
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: a triumph over struggle. Yeah, it's like always coming out

695
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 1: on top or always like reinventing yourself, um, despite like

696
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: everyone kind of being against you or like putting you

697
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: into some like weird box that you're not consenting to

698
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: be in, and um coming out as like a movie

699
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 1: star at the end of it. You know. And I

700
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: also had no idea when I was like reading before

701
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,720
Speaker 1: the record I had no idea that she like had

702
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 1: a psychotic break when she was like, you know, I

703
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: think nineteen or twenty, and that was like part of

704
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: the reason she took on the Girl Interrupted role. Did

705
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: you know that rule? I had no idea. I did

706
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: not know that, although I was obsessed with Girl Interrupted

707
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 1: when it came out. I mean, I don't think I

708
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: saw it in theaters because I think I was too young,

709
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: but it was it was on HBO like once a

710
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: day a year or two thousand and I watched it

711
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,399
Speaker 1: every time it was on, and I was obsessed with it,

712
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: Like it's such an incredible movie. Her performance and it

713
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: is insane. And I don't mean that like you know

714
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: in the and I mean that both like and that

715
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 1: she did a good job playing someone who you know

716
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: is institutionalized, and also like it's she's so good. Yeah,

717
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: she really is such a like Razor's Edge in that movie,

718
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 1: because it's like at the beginning, you're she like does

719
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: such a great job of like sucking you in and

720
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:12,240
Speaker 1: being like, oh, I'm like the most relatable person here

721
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: that Winder and writer can be friends with. And then

722
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: she has the most normal yes, and then she has

723
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: these really cruel moments with like Brittany Murphy's character and

724
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: she's just like everybody knows. Everybody knows that, yeah, but

725
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: what they don't know is that you like Likesery Chicken. O. God,

726
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 1: the cast of that movie, it's like literally icons only.

727
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 1: Yeah when known Angelina, Brittany fucking Elizabeth Moss. Whoopee, Elizabeth

728
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: Moss is in it. Wait, I don't remember. She's the

729
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: girl who's like all burned. Oh, Elizabeth Moss has been

730
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:58,439
Speaker 1: around forever. I blot it out. She played a girl

731
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: who was burned. She probably beat out close for the role,

732
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: like she did. Yeah, that sounds kind of shocked. Yeah,

733
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:18,479
Speaker 1: is that your favorite Angelina performance? Rose Um, It's it's

734
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: that or Mr Mrs Smith. I mean, Mr Mrs Smith

735
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: is so fun, it's just perfect. It's so it's so different. Yeah,

736
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 1: I mean Angelina's performance in in Girl in dropt It

737
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,800
Speaker 1: is my favorite. But I think the movie I enjoy

738
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: watching the most is Mr and Mrs Smith. Like what

739
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:42,720
Speaker 1: a moment in pop culture and like celebrity gossip culture,

740
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 1: Like whoa. Yeah. Also, I didn't realize that was a

741
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:50,439
Speaker 1: remake until like a week ago, and now it's being

742
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:54,399
Speaker 1: remade again as a t show. Yeah yeah, yeah, but yeah,

743
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: the whole, the whole like um that really like cemented her.

744
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: Was that whole thing with breaking up Jen and Brad

745
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 1: seem Angelina team team Jen because like I mean, you know,

746
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:12,399
Speaker 1: like Jennifer Anderson was America's sweetheart and she and Brad

747
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: were the perfect couple. And then Angelina, like you know,

748
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: have this reputation as this like brown haired harlot. Literally

749
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 1: that's how media works. It's like if you have brown hair,

750
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 1: yes you're evil. I was gonna say that you you.

751
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: We cannot over emphasize how culturally important that she was

752
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: a Burnett likes the many and Veronica of it all. Yes,

753
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: and they were like Jen and Angelina were foils for

754
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 1: each other, like they were the good angel and the

755
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,839
Speaker 1: dark Angel in the public eye. And so it was

756
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,240
Speaker 1: the perfect love not a love trangle, but the perfect

757
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:51,720
Speaker 1: like drama love triangle. Well also, it's like Jennifer Anderson

758
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: is like friends and the craziest she ever got was

759
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: like The Good Girl where she showed her tids and

760
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 1: then Angelina, oh yeah yeah and the Good Girl with

761
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: Jake Jillen home um where she like a girl is

762
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: so weird. It's like she's playing like a like CVS

763
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: employee or something, and it's like she like just repeated

764
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: it with Cake years later, like she's like, please give

765
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: me oscar, Like she tried so hard with Cake. I

766
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: felt it was Honestly, I was so sad. I was

767
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 1: like a girl, you can I believe in you, but

768
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: like it's not. But it's like, yeah, she was like

769
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: friends and like all these romantic comedies and then Angelina

770
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: was like tomb writer girl interrupted, Like it was like

771
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: literally could not be more diametrically opposed. And just like

772
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: watching the movie and because you you, like all the

773
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: news stories were like Brad and Angelina's like had such

774
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 1: incredible chemistry that like it just was overwhelming, and then

775
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: you watched the movie and you can see it because

776
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: they really do. That movie is sold by the like

777
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 1: truly like astronomical chemistry they have, yeah, horny horn or

778
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: horny oh my god. That fight they have at the

779
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: end and their house is like I mean, now it's

780
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: weird looking back on it with like the context of everything,

781
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: but like at the time was so hot. Is your

782
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: faith like Angelina performance Lara Croft or is it do

783
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: you have other fave Angelina moments in her heart story. Well, um,

784
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 1: I do have a soft spot for salt which came

785
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: Salt is so good? So where is Saltz to Pepper?

786
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 1: Which was originally written for Tom Cruise. I just found

787
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 1: out recently they were like, let's do the all male

788
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 1: reboot of Yeah, no, the first one was written for

789
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: Tom Cruise and then he hadn't dropped out and they

790
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: were like, what about Angelina. Oh, I didn't know that.

791
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 1: That's amazing, But in that movie are incredible and they're

792
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:25,720
Speaker 1: Ricky's n Y c there and is there a bachelorette party.

793
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 1: There's a plot point where she has to bleach her

794
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: hair blonde, like in the bathroom, I think, and she

795
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,439
Speaker 1: does it with like box dye and it comes out

796
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: like perfectly tongued, like ice ice blonde, which is actually

797
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 1: something that's that happens also in I don't know if

798
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 1: you've ever seen Red Sparrow, that spy movie with general

799
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: between that it actually is really good, but it's kind

800
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 1: of the same thing where she's like going undercover and

801
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: she dyes her hair blonde, and it's like she uses

802
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 1: one box and like her hair is perfectly, perfectly Jennifer

803
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 1: Lawrence blonde. I love her. I love any time a

804
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,839
Speaker 1: character has to duck into a bathroom and die there

805
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 1: there like a Gone girl and alias like or any

806
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,280
Speaker 1: wig action movie. Angelina has done a lot of wig

807
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 1: forward films and she does not have a wig face,

808
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: and so it's it's really right, tell us why, tell

809
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: us why. I don't know what it is, proportionally or whatever,

810
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 1: but it's like she it's just the clock ey ist

811
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 1: wig you've ever seen every time, and I'm sure they're

812
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: beautifully made wigs, but it's like, have you ever seen

813
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 1: um Life or something like it? No, Um, it's she

814
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: plays like a morning I mean, she's really trying to

815
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 1: go for like a Jennifer Aniston thing here, but it's

816
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 1: like she plays like a morning news anchor who like

817
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 1: sees that she's going to die and then she like

818
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 1: has to live her life differently because she's been like

819
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 1: living so bad. It's like kind of a scrooge thing. Um.

820
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: But she has like a blonde, curly wig in that

821
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:06,359
Speaker 1: movie and it looks so stupid. It's so great, But

822
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: probably her best one is either um girl interrupted that

823
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: look great if it was a wig, I'm assuming it

824
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: is or honestly, the gone in sixty seconds dreadlocks were us.

825
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 1: Maybe she got them for real. Maybe she got them

826
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: for real. You know, I've actually touched one of her wigs,

827
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,919
Speaker 1: which one so in in early I did a set

828
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 1: visit to UM, the Eternals set. Oh my god, it

829
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,800
Speaker 1: was like the last day of filming and they brought

830
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: us into UM one of the hair and makeup trailers,

831
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 1: and Angelina's wig was just sitting there on ahead, and

832
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 1: like the person was like, that's Angelina's wig, And I

833
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 1: just went right over to it and touched it, because

834
00:52:54,840 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: please don't do that, but I had to. She is

835
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 1: a view on the side a drone like hit me

836
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: from outside honestly starts you out with like the like

837
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 1: claw machine thing. It was like that scene in The

838
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:15,359
Speaker 1: Matrix where they unhook YANU. Wait, what is her hair

839
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: in that movie? It's blonde. It's blonde. Okay, she doesn't

840
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 1: do it's a it's a very cool toned blonde. It was.

841
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 1: It was definitely distracting. I honestly, the revelation that she

842
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: doesn't have a face for wigs because her face is

843
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: already so incredible is honestly, that's I'm never not going

844
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 1: to think about that. And I think it affected Rosen

845
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 1: Eye's viewing of The Eternals because when we were watching it,

846
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: she's not even really in that movie that much, and

847
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 1: we could not stop giggling because she just like every frame,

848
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 1: it's just like she looks like the after in the

849
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 1: before and after at the esthetician's office, like she looks

850
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 1: like three days ago. It's like like that and just

851
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: like that where they show carry her face of what

852
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 1: it what it could look like after they do a

853
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 1: bunch of plastic surgery on her, and like she's always

854
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: just like like so like Serene just I mean, she's

855
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: a little snatched. She's always been so snatched. That's why,

856
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: Like when she had short hair, it looked so incredible.

857
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 1: I mean, Macie, that short hair you give Angelina, Like

858
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? And I think you have

859
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:29,879
Speaker 1: like such a like singular look and like I think

860
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 1: you have very Angelina energy. Oh my god, that's like

861
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 1: the biggest compliment I've ever gotten. Thank you. I would agree, honestly,

862
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 1: they're just they're they're defining features that someone like Angelina

863
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 1: Jolie has, where like women growing up were like I

864
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: want to look like Angelina, and like, I feel like

865
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 1: my mom loved Angelina growing up despite being like a

866
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 1: devout Christian, like she was just like mine too. Women

867
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 1: love her, loved her, She was the ideal and so

868
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: that's honestly why it was like so jarring for her

869
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 1: to do Maleficent with like her her like born this way,

870
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 1: like her, like her her. Yeah, that that Gaga era

871
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: like and her her cheekbones were so severe and you're like,

872
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:13,359
Speaker 1: whoa like seeing like it was it was a lot.

873
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: It's very but she looked incredible. She looks so cool

874
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:20,799
Speaker 1: and maleficent. She looks so fucking cool and maleficent. And

875
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 1: that might have been a wig, but I think it

876
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 1: worked because it was pretty much like her hair, the cheekbones,

877
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 1: which I think, like when I saw them, it was like,

878
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: aren't those just her cheekbones? But I guess they were

879
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 1: like prosthetics, but I would have absolutely believed that that

880
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 1: was just her face. Well, it's it is kind of

881
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 1: like she and I mean, I don't know, I like

882
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: it's weird, Like I don't want to like comment on

883
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,439
Speaker 1: her like body or whatever, but it is like it's

884
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,879
Speaker 1: like the distinct later era. It's like she's so thin

885
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:57,359
Speaker 1: and so like severe, and she doesn't really do interviews

886
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:00,760
Speaker 1: and like she's like such a like far Way figure.

887
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:04,720
Speaker 1: It's like she's really like done this weird, Like she's

888
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: like a weird like Hollywood like ghoul. I don't know.

889
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:15,320
Speaker 1: So it's very brain the leg. Do you remember the leg? Yes,

890
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 1: it's like I'm just this like thin with a leg. Yes, yes,

891
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 1: she just kind of floats along. Yeah, with like her

892
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 1: her like big eyes and huge tits because like the

893
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 1: tits have always remained very large. Yeah, Oh my god,

894
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 1: I forgot about the leg. That's that was such a

895
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 1: genius moment. The leg was like, I think like the

896
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 1: first time I understood meme culture because it was the

897
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 1: only thing you could see on the internet for can

898
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: you describe the leg for the Virgin? So it was

899
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: it was the Oscars one year Whereina just wore this

900
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 1: dress that were that was like truly cut up to

901
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 1: the pubis and and it was like black and all

902
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 1: you could see was just her leg sticking out. Well,

903
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 1: I need to make one correction because it was kind

904
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 1: of a normal dress with a slit. But what Angelina

905
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 1: did was she kind of had it opened a little

906
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 1: to the side and then had the leg like hooked

907
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 1: out of the of the dress. Of the leg, it's

908
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 1: very much giving like the Show Girls poster, like it's

909
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: like cut out of her body. But it was that

910
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 1: in real life. Yeah, it literally was that. That's such

911
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 1: a good appealeg gool with a leg is so funny.

912
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: That is that should be the title of this episode

913
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 1: with a leg. It is so funny because Google googles

914
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 1: are like so ugly, but she is ghoulish, and she's

915
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 1: drop dead gorgeous. Like she'soolish and gorgeous. She really kind

916
00:57:56,080 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 1: of like invented that vibe because even even some of

917
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 1: her early performances where she's like at her you know,

918
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 1: like hottest, she is still giving gool like girl interrupted

919
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 1: his super googlie. I've never seen Gia but well, like,

920
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 1: I mean literally playing a dead person. I don't even

921
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 1: know that. I don't even what is about again, it's gay, right,

922
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 1: She's a gay model who contracts HIV and tragically of

923
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 1: an overdose. Yeah wait, I literally did not know that. Wow,

924
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:39,959
Speaker 1: Oh it's great. She is amazing. She is amazing. Oh

925
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 1: my god. It was like one of her first breakout roles.

926
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 1: So it's also like kind of a trip to see

927
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 1: Angelina like really young and like really tearing it like

928
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 1: it's really good. Another movie that used to be on

929
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 1: HBO a lot, but like old after a certain point

930
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 1: at night. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was like

931
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 1: it was like if they had like a prestige version

932
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 1: of like a skin Amax movie, you know. Yeah, yeah,

933
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 1: that seems very much the vibe. I've never seen Hackers,

934
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: but is great. But that image is like so saturated.

935
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 1: She's such a you know, like perfect avatar of that

936
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 1: time in fashion and like pop culture, like that look

937
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 1: the short hair like very like technoi. She's so hot.

938
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean that's like another amazing thing

939
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 1: about her is that she like she's such a chameleon.

940
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 1: She was so emblematic of that late nineties moment and

941
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 1: like that like dragon arm tattoo, like low slung pants,

942
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 1: like short, crapped hair like wild child, and then like yeah,

943
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 1: and then moving into the two thousands, like celeb culture

944
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 1: like in like like such a unique way it was

945
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 1: and like really a dominating way, you know, with the

946
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 1: Brad Pitt stuff. Yeah, I mean they were at one

947
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 1: point the most famous people in the world. Like the

948
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 1: brand Jelina of it all. That was when we started

949
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 1: combining people's names. I guess, yeah, oh my god, yeah

950
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 1: of course. Yeah. I'm honestly like realizing when you said, like, oh,

951
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 1: she doesn't really do interviews, I kind of forgot that

952
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 1: she does. Like she's very private, and I think that

953
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 1: that like she's been able to maintain her allure and

954
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 1: like her celebrity stature because of that. Like I think,

955
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 1: you know, when we talk about how there are no

956
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 1: movie stars anymore and how there aren't we were honestly

957
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 1: just saying there are no Angelina Jolies anymore, right, right,

958
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 1: but if there are any Angelina Jolies for this generation,

959
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 1: there on Instagram and Angelina Jolie. I mean, I don't

960
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 1: know if she's on Instagram, but she's like not on Instagram,

961
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like, Yeah, there's no like

962
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 1: disillusionment around celebrities these days, or there's so much disillusionment

963
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 1: around celebrities. It was all about them of her, Yeah, yeah,

964
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 1: it was with her. It was all about secrets. Like

965
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 1: in the beginning, like with the like the crazy wild

966
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 1: child stuff, It's like what drugs that she on? Who

967
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 1: was she fucking blah blah blaha, and then the the

968
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 1: Brad stuff. It was like, oh my god, like how

969
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 1: did this happen? This behind the scenes like adultery and

970
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 1: then yeah, and yeah, she's just like very cloaked in mystery.

971
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:30,440
Speaker 1: She she's an enigma wrapped in a mystery wrapped and

972
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 1: I don't know something she is another synonym, she's Dracula

973
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 1: kind of she is. Has she ever played a vampire?

974
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 1: Because she really should? She should. I don't know. I

975
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 1: mean I just I remember, like not even not even

976
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 1: like the movie itself, but when they first revealed her

977
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 1: look from a leficit like that was a moment, and yeah,

978
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 1: it was like, oh, this is right, this is right. Yeah, completely, Well,

979
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 1: Maleficent is kind of a vampire. I wonder what her

980
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 1: um I'm trying to figure I'm trying to remember what

981
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 1: her exact character like characteristics were, and when she played

982
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 1: Bao Wolf's mom, since she was like she was like

983
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 1: booby mom monster like swamp swamp monster mom. I can't

984
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 1: even remember what do you remember anything from that movie? Yeah?

985
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 1: I mean that movie was That movie was so weird

986
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 1: because it was like all c g I. It was

987
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 1: like adult polar expressed, but like, I don't I'm not

988
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 1: super familiar with the plot of Bao Wolf, but I

989
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 1: know that he like has to It's like a it's

990
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:47,120
Speaker 1: like was it Shakespeare. It's like an old like like

991
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 1: nurse something. It's it's one of the oldest texts in

992
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 1: the literary canon. But it's like this this monster named Grendel,

993
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 1: and she's like, yeah, I remember, he has to like

994
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 1: go down into a cave and he's like praying to

995
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 1: this like golden pool of water, and all of a sudden,

996
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 1: like she comes out nude and honestly looks more like

997
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 1: tomb righter than ever because she's like this like kind

998
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 1: of braid and she's c G I and um, and

999
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 1: she's got heels and she's just like, I'm just looking

1000
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 1: at pictures now she's wearing heels. It's wild. It's so weird. Yeah,

1001
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 1: and then she's just like Hornie talking to the sun.

1002
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 1: And then I think kind of dissolves or turns into

1003
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 1: like a crazy looking monster. So I can't remember weird movie.

1004
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll maybe I'll need to go watch it. Yeah,

1005
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 1: that really didn't stand up. It really was that she's

1006
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:48,080
Speaker 1: she was living in the untranned Valley exactly exactly. That

1007
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 1: should have been an action figure. Honestly, it's remarkable that

1008
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 1: she hasn't played trans up into this point. But I

1009
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 1: mean some of it feels like some of her characters

1010
01:03:56,600 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 1: kind of are still trans Cannon, almost all of them.

1011
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 1: I would, you know, she is the Deeva doll herself.

1012
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 1: Like I think Angelina is like a little She's one

1013
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 1: of the girls in a way. I mean, yeah, you

1014
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 1: think about like like the song Vogue and they're talking

1015
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 1: about like Bettie Davis, we love you, and it's like

1016
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 1: if you just like kind of shift that idea onto

1017
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 1: modern times, It's like she's definitely like the one. It's

1018
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:29,080
Speaker 1: like they're not saying like I mean, maybe some people

1019
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:32,720
Speaker 1: are saying, like Susan so Randon, we love you, Like

1020
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 1: it's not love, Yeah, totally, It's like it's I love

1021
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 1: Susan so Randon, but it's not quite the same thing.

1022
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:45,479
Speaker 1: You know. She's giving this like glam mysterious bitch thing

1023
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, yeah, sexy demon vibes, Yeah yeah, slide

1024
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:02,720
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1025
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:07,800
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1026
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