Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Wednesday, January twenty eighth. In
Speaker 1: it was an incredible day and night of developments out
Speaker 1: of Minneapolis, including a US congresswoman attacked, assaulted, and it's
Speaker 1: all on camera at one of our town hall meetings
Speaker 1: last night. Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Robes.
Speaker 1: Did I get ahead of myself? We came on yesterday.
Speaker 1: I was really excited to say, hey, the tone has
Speaker 1: come down, the tensions have come down, and then yesterday
Speaker 1: things got.
Speaker 2: A little more heated.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and look I when you look and see what
Speaker 3: happened at ilhan Omar's town hall meeting, that certainly was
Speaker 3: unfortunate and concerning because the rhetoric we keep talking about this,
Speaker 3: when politicians start throwing barbes at other politicians and start
Speaker 3: blaming other politicians for problems or accusing them of malfeasons
Speaker 3: and etc. Yes, you have outliers out there who take
Speaker 3: those words and put them into action. We have seen
Speaker 3: it time and time and time again. Thankfully, this one
Speaker 3: didn't amount too much. It didn't appear that ilhan Omar
Speaker 3: was injured in any way, But who knew at the
Speaker 3: time what was in that substance that this man came
Speaker 3: up and scorted her with in a town hall meeting.
Speaker 1: And there were a stack of significant developments yesterday, including
Speaker 1: that one.
Speaker 2: In particular. You will see headlines.
Speaker 1: We will give you some context for it if you
Speaker 1: haven't seen the video, But it was really concerning robes
Speaker 1: when I first saw the headlines before seeing the video attacked, assaulted.
Speaker 1: Now all of that is true, given though what we
Speaker 1: have seen over the past year when it comes to
Speaker 1: politicians and gunfire and assaults and attacks. I thought the worst.
Speaker 1: The video Actually I was a little relieved. Is still scary,
Speaker 1: but little relief. So we're going to give some contact
Speaker 1: at least folks to what that video does show. But
Speaker 1: that was certainly a major headline coming out of Minneapolis. Also,
Speaker 1: preliminary investigation resulted in this headline. There were two agents
Speaker 1: who fired shots in that incident that killed Alex Preddy.
Speaker 1: Also growing calls for Christy Nome to be fired and
Speaker 1: if not, impeachment. We'll get into that. Also, Trump made
Speaker 1: various comments having to do with Alex pretty Christy Nome
Speaker 1: also the guy who just got demoted out of his
Speaker 1: job as commander there in Minneapolis. We'll get into that.
Speaker 1: Trump did use the word de escalate. That is a
Speaker 1: big deal. And two judges made two significant rulings yesterday.
Speaker 1: One is threatening to throw the ice director in jail.
Speaker 1: We'll explain, and the other judge blocked a five year
Speaker 1: old from being deported in a story that really pulled
Speaker 1: into the hartstrings of a lot of people. But roads,
Speaker 1: let's start with il han Omar last night trying to
Speaker 1: give a town hall in Minneapolis, and of course cameras
Speaker 1: were rolled, that's right.
Speaker 3: So look, she was up at a podium, it was
Speaker 3: it was a small town hall meeting.
Speaker 4: It was a small room.
Speaker 3: And as she started talking about christinome a man who
Speaker 3: was sitting in the front row, and it's it was
Speaker 3: odd because.
Speaker 4: There were cameras on him.
Speaker 3: And I don't know what your impressions were, but he
Speaker 3: was drinking out of a water bottle, but it looked
Speaker 3: like vodka might have been in that water bottle. He
Speaker 3: looked drunk to me, Okay, facial expressions, he looked, he
Speaker 3: looked inebriated.
Speaker 1: He certainly was to show well, that's funny. I didn't
Speaker 1: think about it the way you put it. He looked
Speaker 1: like it looked like it was a water bottle, but
Speaker 1: he looked like somebody who has been drinking, yes, quite
Speaker 1: a while.
Speaker 2: He was a mess. He it looked like vodka was
Speaker 2: in the clear observation.
Speaker 1: Again, not making any indictment on the guy, but it's
Speaker 1: he looked a bit of a mess. And yes, people
Speaker 1: were pointing out to your point role at the very
Speaker 1: beginning of this thing, there was a shot of him
Speaker 1: as an individual. Why don't know, could have been random whatever,
Speaker 1: but yes, disappointing to that.
Speaker 3: So he jumps up and I hate this squirt seems
Speaker 3: like it's so, but that is what he did.
Speaker 4: He squirted.
Speaker 3: That's what it looked like, a substance on her. Folks
Speaker 3: who were in the room said it smelled terrible, like vinegar.
Speaker 3: He was immediately tackled and taken away and charged an
Speaker 3: assault charged third.
Speaker 4: Degree assault charge.
Speaker 3: His name is fifty five year old Anthony Kazmirzik. I'm
Speaker 3: not sure it's a tough name with a lot of consonants,
Speaker 3: but that is his name. And now you pointed out
Speaker 3: to me to look on X and to see what
Speaker 3: one of the big trending topics is. And it's staged
Speaker 3: because a lot of people have looked at this video
Speaker 3: and are now claiming that it was staged, that this
Speaker 3: wasn't a real attack, that this was orchestrated by Ilhan Omar.
Speaker 1: And between and within the past hour at least before
Speaker 1: we came on. Staged, simply the word staged was the
Speaker 1: number one trending topic on x as we sit here
Speaker 1: now this recording, I see it's the number three trending topic.
Speaker 1: But Rove, there's a lot of people talking about that,
Speaker 1: and a lot of obviously you would you know it's
Speaker 1: coming from a certain segment of the political population. But
Speaker 1: they are examining this video and they are breaking down
Speaker 1: every head movement, every nod, every time her eyes move,
Speaker 1: and suggesting that she signaled to this.
Speaker 4: Guy, go It was a very small head nod. I
Speaker 4: looked for it.
Speaker 3: I was like, really, that's what you're pointing to as
Speaker 3: the signal that she gave him to jump.
Speaker 4: Up and fake attack her. Look.
Speaker 3: Some people said that because he was sitting in the
Speaker 3: front row, because the camera was fixated on him beforehand,
Speaker 3: because of that head nod. They also say she didn't
Speaker 3: duck like a normal person when she was attacked. They
Speaker 3: said that the cameras were just too conveniently fixed on
Speaker 3: this man. So, yes, there are people who are going
Speaker 3: to say this and believe it and think that she
Speaker 3: did this to insert herself and say now she's a
Speaker 3: victim of a political ata.
Speaker 1: That's a lot, and yes, that's to be expected. What's
Speaker 1: not to be expected? I think it throws a lot
Speaker 1: of people. I don't know her well. We've spent a
Speaker 1: decent amount of time with her, always found her pleasant,
Speaker 1: don't know her well. We know what's reported, we know
Speaker 1: about her public persona, in her background, at least to
Speaker 1: that degree. We also know what the president has been
Speaker 1: saying about her. That's pretty much it. You watch this
Speaker 1: video robe, she didn't cower. In fact, she left the
Speaker 1: podium and went after this guy as he was being
Speaker 1: grabbed by somebody, and she quite literally.
Speaker 2: Put her fist up and was about to clock this guy.
Speaker 1: Yes, for most people, you might see that and say
Speaker 1: that is not a normal reaction. And then there are
Speaker 1: other people from other segments of the population and go, yeah,
Speaker 1: I recognize that, like she's built different, she's from somewhere
Speaker 1: else that her mindset could quite possibly be to And
Speaker 1: by defending I don't run, I'm gonna come right back
Speaker 1: at you. Now I don't know her personality, but I
Speaker 1: recognized something in that video. When I saw her do that,
Speaker 1: I was like, woa she.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's to me the biggest point against anyone
Speaker 3: who's claiming this was stage.
Speaker 4: She was angry, she was pissed.
Speaker 3: And people pointed to the fact that she just came
Speaker 3: back in ten minutes, got a napkin, wiped her eyes,
Speaker 3: and came back and finished.
Speaker 4: But I see that.
Speaker 3: As her actually reacting naturally. That was natural to her
Speaker 3: from being attacked and thankfully not being hurt or injured
Speaker 3: by what was ever, what was in that liquid, if
Speaker 3: it was just vinegar, who knows, But I think that
Speaker 3: was a reasonable response for somebody who was pissed off
Speaker 3: and has been under attack verbally for months, like actually
Speaker 3: last night while Trump was in Iowa talking about her again.
Speaker 3: I can't remember a speech recently where he hasn't invoked
Speaker 3: her name.
Speaker 1: And saying how much money she has in the bank,
Speaker 1: that she married her brother, that she is not in
Speaker 1: the country legally, and that she should go back to
Speaker 1: her shit country. He has said all those things publicly
Speaker 1: and has almost put a target on her to a
Speaker 1: certain degree. So absolutely, this actually is probably in line
Speaker 1: with what's to be expected. We should probably be fair
Speaker 1: to almost not be surprised that this hasn't happened. More
Speaker 1: often you look at what happens we are and it
Speaker 1: looks innocuous enough because it's just a clear liquid. It's
Speaker 1: not some big even a cup of water or a
Speaker 1: big cup of liquid. A couple of little squirts didn
Speaker 1: hit her in the face, got her in the in
Speaker 1: the chest the torso area. So yes, no harm, but
Speaker 1: no physical harm. There's a lot of harm in what
Speaker 1: we just saw. Who's next?
Speaker 4: Yes? And how is she? I mean, look, she she
Speaker 4: kind of took.
Speaker 3: The situation and, as you pointed out, chased down this
Speaker 3: guy and was visibly upset and continued on with her
Speaker 3: with her speech. But I don't know, doesn't that wouldn't
Speaker 3: that mess with your head to the next time you
Speaker 3: were around folks, the next time you were in front
Speaker 3: of a group.
Speaker 4: What could possibly happen? I mean, that's just some scary stuff.
Speaker 3: And in one of the posts on x I thought
Speaker 3: this was interesting. They started it out saying, if you
Speaker 3: think ilhan Omar's attack was legit, you might have the
Speaker 3: IQ of a Somali just continuing that rhetoric of Somali's
Speaker 3: being stupid and idiotic and not worth anything.
Speaker 4: It's just it's frightening.
Speaker 1: It's the same thing. I mean, we have something now,
Speaker 1: We've given more red meat to extremists to go fight
Speaker 1: about something. That's all. This is just a distraction from
Speaker 1: something else. Who knows what this guy's motivations were, but
Speaker 1: this is.
Speaker 2: An this it's we thought things were going to come
Speaker 2: down again. We mentioned Rose.
Speaker 1: We have so many headlines and I almost felt silly
Speaker 1: for being a little too optimistic because I thought yesterday
Speaker 1: was really a turning point, and now it's it's blown
Speaker 1: up in a signific second way here and this scene
Speaker 1: wasn't ugly when we'll see what happens with him, don't know,
Speaker 1: but rogues to think now that she stages, is this
Speaker 1: what we're doing? So we can't even agree about this?
Speaker 1: Now we can't believe anything. We everybody is up to something.
Speaker 1: We don't trust anything we see.
Speaker 3: I had that same thought when I was reading these
Speaker 3: ex posts, and I thought, wow, you even the video
Speaker 3: that we see, we argue about what we're seeing. Anything
Speaker 3: that happens, we question the validity of it, Is it real?
Speaker 3: We can't trust videos, we can't trust images, we can't
Speaker 3: trust people. No one trusts anyone. It's scary. That's scary,
Speaker 3: all right.
Speaker 1: Well, ilhan Omar again not injured, and she did continue
Speaker 1: on with her speech. Can you imagine other tell I
Speaker 1: think some accusations or if you can tell at stage, obviously,
Speaker 1: no woman, a woman should cower, a woman should run,
Speaker 1: a woman should be scared. So given that this woman
Speaker 1: didn't do that, that's further evidence that is so offensive,
Speaker 1: that is staged.
Speaker 3: I read those same comments. That is so offensive. That's
Speaker 3: not how women react.
Speaker 2: You know what.
Speaker 1: President Trump would have gone back on that stage and
Speaker 1: continued his speech if they would have let him after
Speaker 1: his ear was shot. Yes, right, you see how defiant
Speaker 1: he was and a bullet just flew past him. But
Speaker 1: that's right, that's his reaction. But her reaction should have
Speaker 1: been something else.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 3: And by the way, I did see on I'm sure
Speaker 3: you saw two on X that folks on the other
Speaker 3: side of the aisle were then putting up the President
Speaker 3: Trump being shot in the ear and saying this was staged.
Speaker 4: So yes, that people were firing back with that.
Speaker 1: Oh god, yes, So again I got ahead of myself
Speaker 1: saying things things are starting to calm down there in Minneapolis.
Speaker 1: Gild through of some of the other headlines. Internal review
Speaker 1: this was done by Border Patrol. They do have to
Speaker 1: do one of these, but this was based on a
Speaker 1: bodycam footage that they reviewed. But I guess the headline heroe.
Speaker 1: Some of this stuff we already see ourselves from the video.
Speaker 1: But they did confirm it was more than one federal
Speaker 1: agent that fired that day.
Speaker 3: Yes, and they mentioned two agents fired, that Preddy did resist,
Speaker 3: but this was of note. They did not put in
Speaker 3: this report that he had taken out his gun. There
Speaker 3: was no mention of him brandishing his gun, taking out
Speaker 3: his gun. However, they do mention that Border Patrol agents
Speaker 3: on the scene there and that scuffle started yelling gun, gun, gun,
Speaker 3: And we heard that in the video for ourselves.
Speaker 1: So some of that was obvious we saw already. But yes,
Speaker 1: at least that detail about more than one agents firing
Speaker 1: was of note. Also, Christine Omes, she has been you
Speaker 1: know what she has been on TV. We see her
Speaker 1: everywhere we get in line to take a plane, we
Speaker 1: see her. She is everywhere these days because of what's
Speaker 1: going on. But now folks robes are saying she should
Speaker 1: be out of a job. And if she isn't out
Speaker 1: of it, wait first, resign, don't resign, Trump, fire her. Trump,
Speaker 1: you don't fire We're going to impeach her.
Speaker 3: That's where we are now, Yes, and yes, the Kim
Speaker 3: Jeffries of notes said Christinome should be fired immediately or
Speaker 3: we will commence impeachment proceedings in the House. And that
Speaker 3: impeachment resolution right now has one hundred and fifty sponsors
Speaker 3: and of note, including those who were calling for her resignation,
Speaker 3: as you might imagine, Democrats, but now two Republicans are
Speaker 3: also calling for her resignation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fairly significant right now. We should note, Yes,
Speaker 1: they can talk about impeachment and beat the drum all
Speaker 1: day long, but changes up an impeachment given that Republicans
Speaker 1: control the House and the Senate, very very unlikely. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: the President was talking yesterday he went to Iowa, he
Speaker 1: had a speech, their plan, but on his way getting
Speaker 1: a board Air Force one, and then after he got
Speaker 1: to Iowa ropes he made several comments and what a
Speaker 1: big word for the president to use.
Speaker 3: D Yes, finally, that was long overdue and that was
Speaker 3: what you were talking about yesterday and the hope you had,
Speaker 3: the hope we all have had and that we continue
Speaker 3: to have.
Speaker 4: But yes, it does matter.
Speaker 3: Words matter, And for him to say de escalate, he
Speaker 3: said a little bit, but still take We'll take the.
Speaker 4: Smallest amount of de escalation. It's better than the opposite.
Speaker 1: He could have said anything, de escalate, slightly, de escalate,
Speaker 1: just to I don't care what he said after de escalate,
Speaker 1: long as the escalate came out of his mouth. He
Speaker 1: did talk about Alex Pretty yesterday and that assassination. Excuse me,
Speaker 1: excuse me, excuse me, and talked about pretty and Pretty's killing.
Speaker 1: You'll understand here in the second the word assassin I'm
Speaker 1: reading in front of me. He was asked about whether
Speaker 1: or not Pretty was an assassin. Those are words that
Speaker 1: Gregory Bavino, the former commander in charge there on the ground,
Speaker 1: a word he used. President was asked specifically if he
Speaker 1: thought Alex Pretty was an assassin. This was significant, It
Speaker 1: was short, but it was significant.
Speaker 4: He said no.
Speaker 3: We had to rewind the video a couple of months
Speaker 3: to hear him say it, because we saw the headlines like, wait,
Speaker 3: did he say no?
Speaker 4: He did say no.
Speaker 3: He did add that preddy should not have been carrying
Speaker 3: a gun, which was interesting because that drew some iron
Speaker 3: from the NRA, who said that President Trump should be
Speaker 3: careful about what he says about gun ownership.
Speaker 4: And then when he was asked about Bavino, this was
Speaker 4: really interesting. He said, he's a pretty out there guy.
Speaker 3: Maybe that wasn't good here, So, yes, that was the
Speaker 3: best you're going to get about him. Second guessing a
Speaker 3: decision to put Vivino in Minneapolis.
Speaker 1: You know, that's what you say. I've said that the like,
Speaker 1: talk about friends or something. Somebody took somebody to a
Speaker 1: priority and they cut off the night before and the
Speaker 1: next day you talk about He said, Yeah, that dude's wild.
Speaker 4: Any Yeah, maybe maybe you shouldn't have come to the party. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You just kind of embrace and we all understand. But
Speaker 1: to hear the president kind of dismiss he's something.
Speaker 3: Man. It's interesting as we watched President Trump in some
Speaker 3: of these very serious times where people choose their words
Speaker 3: very carefully.
Speaker 4: It's like he is just stream of consciousness.
Speaker 3: He just says whatever he thinks and lets the chips
Speaker 3: fall where they may.
Speaker 1: Some of us in other people we seen to embrace
Speaker 1: that or even encourage that from your president.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's a little just concerning.
Speaker 4: Maybe you should have thought about that before you said
Speaker 4: it out loud. But okay, I mean, at least it's
Speaker 4: an honest reaction.
Speaker 3: I do think that you you can say that about him, you.
Speaker 1: Know, I think this was an honest reaction to about
Speaker 1: Renee Good. It's a bizarre thing to say. It also
Speaker 1: got headlines. But he talked about Renee Good's parents. He
Speaker 1: said Renee Good's parents were supporters of his and because
Speaker 1: of that, it makes him feel a little differently about
Speaker 1: her death the way he put to your point, stream
Speaker 1: of consciousness. But to hear him say it makes me
Speaker 1: feel bad anyway. But I mean, I guess you could
Speaker 1: say even worse. He was saying he feels even worse
Speaker 1: that she's dead because his parents are her parents are
Speaker 1: Trump supporters. Again, stream of consciousness, maybe that's true. It
Speaker 1: far for him though, maybe he's making some point you
Speaker 1: can understand. But he did say that out loud. But
Speaker 1: stay here, folks, to federal judges made significant decisions and
Speaker 1: announcements yesterday that could change on the ground in Minneapolis.
Speaker 2: Stay here, all right, folks.
Speaker 1: We continue on this Wednesday, last couple of things we
Speaker 1: want to update your about happened in Minneapolis yesterday. One
Speaker 1: of them, this is gonna be interesting to watch on Friday.
Speaker 1: What's gonna happen on Friday? Because the acting director of
Speaker 1: ICE has been told to get his butt to court
Speaker 1: in Minneapolis or else.
Speaker 3: Robes facing contempt of court charges if he does not
Speaker 3: show up for court.
Speaker 4: Uh, the ICE director is he is he allowed to
Speaker 4: take the fifth if he wants to?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, it's not that. No no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry you made me stop in face.
Speaker 2: No no, no, no, he's not.
Speaker 3: But if something that was being investigated, could somebody implicate
Speaker 3: him in criminal activity? I was just curious, is he
Speaker 3: actually going to have to sit there and testify?
Speaker 1: But he has to answer because the judge said he
Speaker 1: the judge called it dozens and we have robes, We've
Speaker 1: there's been a lot court activity there. But this judge said,
Speaker 1: dozens of orders have been ignored by the administration, and
Speaker 1: he said you need to get in here and answer
Speaker 1: for it and potentially contempt of court charges. Now, talk
Speaker 1: about a headline in a video. If you see the
Speaker 1: ICE director in handcuffs going to jail, that would be something.
Speaker 3: Tod Lyons is his name, And it's interesting with all
Speaker 3: the names we've had floating around that we now know
Speaker 3: are now household names, todd Lyons isn't up there for me.
Speaker 3: So it's somehow he has been able to kind of
Speaker 3: stay somehow beneath the fray, or at least the headlines.
Speaker 4: But he is the acting ice director and no more
Speaker 4: for him come Friday.
Speaker 1: You know what, I think a lot of them would
Speaker 1: have preferred to stay under. The ice director is getting
Speaker 1: no attention right now.
Speaker 3: Well he's about to get a big, bright white spotlight.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: Well, the last thing from a judge yesterday and again
Speaker 1: this was the one that pulled that a lot of
Speaker 1: heartstrings scrope the story five year old boy. Everybody saw
Speaker 1: this video being detained along with his father. This was
Speaker 1: the last week. I said they were doing a targeted
Speaker 1: operation going after the dad, who they say was in
Speaker 1: the country illegally, but he had just come home robed
Speaker 1: in the vehicle in the driveway with his son, five
Speaker 1: year old.
Speaker 2: The dad ran left the boy there.
Speaker 1: I stayed with the boy, but then they say they
Speaker 1: gave him an option. Do you want your child to
Speaker 1: go with you or not, and he said yes. So
Speaker 1: they were both moved to a family detention facility in
Speaker 1: Texas that's getting worked out. The judge said, you cannot
Speaker 1: deport the dad or the son until all this gets adjudicated.
Speaker 1: But Robes, a lot of the damage was done, I
Speaker 1: say damage, but it was. Look, we should see what's
Speaker 1: going on there, and we see a lot of clashes
Speaker 1: and violence. But man, to see those little five year
Speaker 1: old eyes caught up in all of this, it was
Speaker 1: an important picture to see.
Speaker 3: It was because there was this sweet, little, innocent five
Speaker 3: year old. And look, the others will say that they
Speaker 3: used ice agents, use the five year old as bait
Speaker 3: to get the dad to come back, and used him
Speaker 3: to try and and detain the dad, which is a
Speaker 3: tactic that I don't think anybody in this country wants
Speaker 3: to see happen.
Speaker 4: But yes, his sweet little hat he had on and.
Speaker 3: Held, just come from school, and so yes, this is Look,
Speaker 3: anytime we can humanize these stories. And yes, obviously folks
Speaker 3: want the letter of the law to be followed. We
Speaker 3: I think in this country have laws in place so
Speaker 3: that they can be acted upon. Yes, that that's how
Speaker 3: our country works. And yet still we need to see
Speaker 3: the human side of things sometimes, and that little boy
Speaker 3: embodied what a lot of people are feeling.
Speaker 1: We haven't put it together yet, the balance between law
Speaker 1: and order and decency.
Speaker 2: Like both things could be true. You could be an American.
Speaker 1: Who absolutely believes that undocumented folks who are here illegally
Speaker 1: have skirted our laws should be picked up and they
Speaker 1: should be taken out of the country. You can believe that,
Speaker 1: but also think in doing so you show some humanity,
Speaker 1: some respect, some grace for the child or the mom
Speaker 1: or the spouse who's having that person pulled, plucked out
Speaker 1: of their life. We haven't found the right way to
Speaker 1: talk about it.
Speaker 3: Dehumanized the people here, and I say we but it
Speaker 3: comes from the administration calling all and really truly throwing
Speaker 3: this blanket over so many folks who are here undocumented
Speaker 3: as rapists, murderers, the worst of the worst. And so
Speaker 3: now we just have this in our heads that anyone
Speaker 3: who's being arrested or who Ice is going after is
Speaker 3: in that category, and it's just not always the case.
Speaker 4: Obviously.
Speaker 1: Well, folks, we just wanted to hop on and give
Speaker 1: you that up I say that update. Those updates should
Speaker 1: mention Tom Holman is there now. The new point person
Speaker 1: did meet with Jacob Fry, the mayor of Minneapolis, and
Speaker 1: also with Governor Waltz of Minnesota. By all the counts robes,
Speaker 1: those win fine and did nothing earth shattering, but had
Speaker 1: good starts initial conversations. We'll keep an eye on what's
Speaker 1: happening in Minneapolis today. We'll have the morning run up
Speaker 1: for you here and just a little bit on the feed.
Speaker 1: We always appreciate you spending some time here with us.
Speaker 1: But from dear Amy Robot, I'm t J.
Speaker 2: Holmes. We will be talking to you all very very soon.
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