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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Wednesday, January twenty eighth. In

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Speaker 1: it was an incredible day and night of developments out

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Speaker 1: of Minneapolis, including a US congresswoman attacked, assaulted, and it's

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Speaker 1: all on camera at one of our town hall meetings

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Speaker 1: last night. Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Robes.

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Speaker 1: Did I get ahead of myself? We came on yesterday.

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Speaker 1: I was really excited to say, hey, the tone has

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Speaker 1: things got.

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Speaker 2: A little more heated.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and look I when you look and see what

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Speaker 3: happened at ilhan Omar's town hall meeting, that certainly was

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Speaker 3: unfortunate and concerning because the rhetoric we keep talking about this,

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Speaker 3: when politicians start throwing barbes at other politicians and start

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Speaker 3: and etc. Yes, you have outliers out there who take

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Speaker 3: those words and put them into action. We have seen

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Speaker 3: it time and time and time again. Thankfully, this one

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Speaker 3: didn't amount too much. It didn't appear that ilhan Omar

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Speaker 3: was injured in any way, But who knew at the

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Speaker 3: time what was in that substance that this man came

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Speaker 1: And there were a stack of significant developments yesterday, including

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Speaker 1: that one.

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Speaker 2: In particular. You will see headlines.

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Speaker 1: We will give you some context for it if you

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Speaker 1: haven't seen the video, But it was really concerning robes

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Speaker 1: when I first saw the headlines before seeing the video attacked, assaulted.

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Speaker 1: Now all of that is true, given though what we

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Speaker 1: have seen over the past year when it comes to

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Speaker 1: The video Actually I was a little relieved. Is still scary,

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Speaker 1: but little relief. So we're going to give some contact

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Speaker 1: at least folks to what that video does show. But

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Speaker 1: that was certainly a major headline coming out of Minneapolis. Also,

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Speaker 1: preliminary investigation resulted in this headline. There were two agents

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Speaker 1: who fired shots in that incident that killed Alex Preddy.

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Speaker 1: Also growing calls for Christy Nome to be fired and

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Speaker 1: if not, impeachment. We'll get into that. Also, Trump made

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Speaker 1: various comments having to do with Alex pretty Christy Nome

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Speaker 1: also the guy who just got demoted out of his

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Speaker 1: job as commander there in Minneapolis. We'll get into that.

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Speaker 1: Trump did use the word de escalate. That is a

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Speaker 1: big deal. And two judges made two significant rulings yesterday.

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Speaker 1: One is threatening to throw the ice director in jail.

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Speaker 1: We'll explain, and the other judge blocked a five year

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Speaker 1: old from being deported in a story that really pulled

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Speaker 1: into the hartstrings of a lot of people. But roads,

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Speaker 1: let's start with il han Omar last night trying to

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Speaker 1: give a town hall in Minneapolis, and of course cameras

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Speaker 1: were rolled, that's right.

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Speaker 3: So look, she was up at a podium, it was

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Speaker 3: it was a small town hall meeting.

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Speaker 4: It was a small room.

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Speaker 3: And as she started talking about christinome a man who

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Speaker 4: There were cameras on him.

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Speaker 3: And I don't know what your impressions were, but he

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Speaker 3: was drinking out of a water bottle, but it looked

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Speaker 3: like vodka might have been in that water bottle. He

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Speaker 1: He certainly was to show well, that's funny. I didn't

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Speaker 1: think about it the way you put it. He looked

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Speaker 1: like it looked like it was a water bottle, but

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Speaker 1: he looked like somebody who has been drinking, yes, quite

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Speaker 2: He was a mess. He it looked like vodka was

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Speaker 1: Again, not making any indictment on the guy, but it's

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Speaker 1: he looked a bit of a mess. And yes, people

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Speaker 1: as an individual. Why don't know, could have been random whatever,

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Speaker 3: So he jumps up and I hate this squirt seems

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Speaker 4: He squirted.

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Speaker 3: That's what it looked like, a substance on her. Folks

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Speaker 3: He was immediately tackled and taken away and charged an

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Speaker 4: Degree assault charge.

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Speaker 3: His name is fifty five year old Anthony Kazmirzik. I'm

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Speaker 3: not sure it's a tough name with a lot of consonants,

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Speaker 3: one of the big trending topics is. And it's staged

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Speaker 3: and are now claiming that it was staged, that this

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Speaker 1: And between and within the past hour at least before

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Speaker 1: now this recording, I see it's the number three trending topic.

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Speaker 1: But Rove, there's a lot of people talking about that,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of obviously you would you know it's

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Speaker 1: coming from a certain segment of the political population. But

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Speaker 1: they are examining this video and they are breaking down

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Speaker 1: every head movement, every nod, every time her eyes move,

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Speaker 4: Guy, go It was a very small head nod. I

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Speaker 3: I was like, really, that's what you're pointing to as

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Speaker 4: Up and fake attack her. Look.

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Speaker 3: Some people said that because he was sitting in the

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Speaker 3: because of that head nod. They also say she didn't

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Speaker 3: this man. So, yes, there are people who are going

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Speaker 1: That's a lot, and yes, that's to be expected. What's

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Speaker 1: not to be expected? I think it throws a lot

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Speaker 1: don't know her well. We know what's reported, we know

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Speaker 1: saying about her. That's pretty much it. You watch this

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Speaker 1: video robe, she didn't cower. In fact, she left the

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Speaker 2: Put her fist up and was about to clock this guy.

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Speaker 1: Yes, for most people, you might see that and say

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Speaker 1: other people from other segments of the population and go, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I recognize that, like she's built different, she's from somewhere

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Speaker 1: by defending I don't run, I'm gonna come right back

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Speaker 1: at you. Now I don't know her personality, but I

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's to me the biggest point against anyone

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Speaker 4: She was angry, she was pissed.

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Speaker 3: And people pointed to the fact that she just came

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Speaker 4: But I see that.

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Speaker 3: As her actually reacting naturally. That was natural to her

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Speaker 3: by what was ever, what was in that liquid, if

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Speaker 3: and has been under attack verbally for months, like actually

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Speaker 3: last night while Trump was in Iowa talking about her again.

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Speaker 3: I can't remember a speech recently where he hasn't invoked

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Speaker 1: And saying how much money she has in the bank,

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Speaker 1: that she married her brother, that she is not in

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Speaker 1: her shit country. He has said all those things publicly

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Speaker 1: and has almost put a target on her to a

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Speaker 1: with what's to be expected. We should probably be fair

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Speaker 1: to almost not be surprised that this hasn't happened. More

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Speaker 1: often you look at what happens we are and it

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Speaker 1: looks innocuous enough because it's just a clear liquid. It's

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Speaker 1: no physical harm. There's a lot of harm in what

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Speaker 1: we just saw. Who's next?

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Speaker 4: Yes? And how is she? I mean, look, she she

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Speaker 4: kind of took.

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Speaker 3: The situation and, as you pointed out, chased down this

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Speaker 3: with her speech. But I don't know, doesn't that wouldn't

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Speaker 4: What could possibly happen? I mean, that's just some scary stuff.

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Speaker 3: And in one of the posts on x I thought

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Speaker 4: It's just it's frightening.

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Speaker 1: It's the same thing. I mean, we have something now,

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Speaker 1: We've given more red meat to extremists to go fight

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Speaker 1: about something. That's all. This is just a distraction from

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Speaker 1: something else. Who knows what this guy's motivations were, but

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Speaker 2: An this it's we thought things were going to come

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Speaker 1: We have so many headlines and I almost felt silly

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Speaker 1: for being a little too optimistic because I thought yesterday

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Speaker 1: wasn't ugly when we'll see what happens with him, don't know,

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Speaker 1: but rogues to think now that she stages, is this

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Speaker 1: what we're doing? So we can't even agree about this?

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Speaker 1: Now we can't believe anything. We everybody is up to something.

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Speaker 1: We don't trust anything we see.

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Speaker 3: I had that same thought when I was reading these

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Speaker 3: ex posts, and I thought, wow, you even the video

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Speaker 3: that we see, we argue about what we're seeing. Anything

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Speaker 3: that happens, we question the validity of it, Is it real?

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Speaker 3: We can't trust videos, we can't trust images, we can't

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Speaker 3: trust people. No one trusts anyone. It's scary. That's scary,

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Speaker 1: Well, ilhan Omar again not injured, and she did continue

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Speaker 1: on with her speech. Can you imagine other tell I

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Speaker 1: think some accusations or if you can tell at stage, obviously,

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Speaker 1: no woman, a woman should cower, a woman should run,

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Speaker 1: a woman should be scared. So given that this woman

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Speaker 1: didn't do that, that's further evidence that is so offensive,

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Speaker 1: that is staged.

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Speaker 3: I read those same comments. That is so offensive. That's

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Speaker 3: not how women react.

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Speaker 2: You know what.

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Speaker 1: President Trump would have gone back on that stage and

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Speaker 1: continued his speech if they would have let him after

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Speaker 1: his ear was shot. Yes, right, you see how defiant

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Speaker 1: What's gonna happen on Friday? Because the acting director of

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Speaker 1: happening in Minneapolis today. We'll have the morning run up

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Speaker 1: for you here and just a little bit on the feed.

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Speaker 1: We always appreciate you spending some time here with us.

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