1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: Can't f I am six forty you're listening to the 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: John Cobelt podcast on the iHeartRadio app. 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,800 Speaker 2: Lou Penrose in for John Cobelt on the John Cobalt Show. 4 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 2: Eric Menendez has been denied parole by the California Review Board. 5 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 3: He is one of the two. 6 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 2: Brothers convicted in eighty nine, thirty six years ago of 7 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 2: the shotgun slaying of the parents. Lyle now is the 8 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:29,479 Speaker 2: younger brother and the one that everyone's looking to see 9 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 2: what the review ward will. 10 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:32,279 Speaker 3: Decide on that. 11 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 2: ABC News legal analyst Royal Oakes joins. 12 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:36,880 Speaker 3: Us, well, thanks for coming on. 13 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 2: What does it tell us about the denial of Eric 14 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 2: that we can glean might be the fate of Lyle. 15 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 4: It's really not a very good sign now in a way, 16 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 4: Lyle has things that are you know, you could say, 17 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 4: or on the bright side, he's having different commissioners judge 18 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 4: him today, not the same people that slammed Eric. Plus 19 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 4: and his lawyers have had a chance overnight to kind 20 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 4: of absorb and learn from the tough questions of yesterday 21 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 4: to help prepare and also Wiles's violations of the rules 22 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 4: during his stay in prison. They're not as serious as 23 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 4: Eric I mean Eric was taking heroin and getting wine 24 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 4: to impact fraud schemes with gang members behind bars. This 25 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 4: is not good. Whereas Wiles's violations are, oh, well, he 26 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 4: hit a phone, hit a cigarette lightery got some Adidas 27 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 4: shoes that were contraband, and oh he blew off an 28 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 4: orientation meeting. Now, this isn't exactly a hanging offense. The 29 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 4: problem is both brothers have been labeled a moderate risk 30 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:41,960 Speaker 4: of violent behavior after release. If they all released, and 31 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 4: when you're labeled moderate as opposed to lower high, you 32 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 4: only get out about twenty percent of the time. Plus 33 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 4: he was the guy who was the older brother who 34 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 4: concocted the scheme. And finally, Lou, the evidence is going 35 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 4: to come out if they repeat the allegations from before 36 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 4: about low While ask a girlfriend to lie and say 37 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 4: that Jose the dad raped and drugged her, he went 38 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 4: to a different girlfriend and asked her to lie and say, oh, 39 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 4: the mom kitty tried to poison the suns. This is 40 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 4: not the kind of thing that should be on your 41 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 4: record if you want to get parole. 42 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 2: Now, these are these are some messed up individuals, and 43 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 2: they were certainly messed up back when they were free 44 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 2: and they seem to have not been rehabilitated. 45 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 3: How does that work? I mean, is there a formula? 46 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 2: Is there? Is it one hundred percent on your behavior 47 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 2: while you're in prison or I mean there's been some 48 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 2: talk about well, it's not supposed to be the severity 49 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 2: of the crime. It's it's it's your behavior after you've 50 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 2: been placed in jail. 51 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:47,799 Speaker 1: Yeah. 52 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 4: The formula really involves three things. We call them the 53 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 4: three rs. First of all, rehabilitation is there evidence that 54 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 4: they're improved they did good things? Secondly, remorse Have they 55 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 4: really genuinely knowledge that they did bad things, that lied 56 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,239 Speaker 4: about it and they're truly truly sorry. It's easy to 57 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 4: say that, but you know, you try to evaluate it. 58 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 4: And the third hour is risk? Are there risk outside 59 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 4: prison walls? Now, psychiatrists evaluate these guys and then report 60 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 4: to the board and they say, you know, we think 61 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:18,799 Speaker 4: they're a low, moderate, or high risk and allow for example, 62 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 4: they said the guy's a narcissist Eric, They said, you know, 63 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 4: he's very vulnerable. He basically does what other people want 64 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 4: him to do. So all of these factors seed into 65 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 4: the bottom line conclusion. I got to tell you the 66 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 4: commissioners are pretty hardshaw on Eric yesterday, not that he 67 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 4: doesn't deserve it, but I mean, at one point the 68 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 4: commissioner said, well, we're denying parole and he come back 69 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 4: in three years, but if you come back and it's 70 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 4: just a pity party, then that's not going to get 71 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 4: you out, which you know is pretty stern language. Essentially, 72 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 4: Eric did get some good news. I mean, the commissioner 73 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 4: should have could have said come back in five years 74 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 4: or ten or fifteen. Instead they went for the minimum three. 75 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 4: And theoretically, if he keeps his nose claimed for three 76 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 4: years and if he convinces a strength that he really 77 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 4: is a changed man, you know, he might have a 78 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 4: shot while same thing or we don't know what's going 79 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 4: to happen Alile today, if he gets the same treatment 80 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 4: as Eric, he too couldn't give it another shot of 81 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 4: three years. 82 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 3: What about the point of view, you know, I. 83 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 2: I find it hard to feel bad for the bad guys, right, 84 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 2: but what about the point of view that, look, these 85 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 2: guys have been institutionalized now for more years than they've 86 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 2: been alive, and the fact that they were able to 87 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 2: get involved in bad things. Eric that he had access 88 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 2: to bad things to get involved in means the system 89 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 2: is imperfect either, and. 90 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 3: What are these guys going to do. 91 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,160 Speaker 2: They know no other way of life but how to 92 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:43,840 Speaker 2: survive in a prison which isn't necessarily always on the 93 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 2: straight and narrow. So the system itself does owe them 94 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 2: a little bit for allowing those kinds of problems to 95 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 2: be available to them. 96 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 3: What about that point of view? 97 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's an interesting point, and it actually kind of 98 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 4: feeds into the idea of the Netflix specials. I mean, 99 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 4: there were hu nd and ten million views of the 100 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 4: Netflix dramatization and also the documentary, and that seemed to 101 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 4: swing public opinion. I mean, Kim Kardashian and other celebrities 102 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 4: have come out in favor of them. You know. The 103 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 4: difficulty is that doesn't really translate into persuading the parole 104 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 4: board members. You know. The other interesting angle, of course, 105 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 4: is where's the governor going to stand on this? Before 106 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 4: we heard that Eric was going to be kept in prison, 107 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 4: a lot of people were saying, well, you know, maybe 108 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 4: the governor will just grant them climency and if they 109 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 4: did get parole from the board, the governor has a 110 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 4: right with a month after the decision is sionalized to 111 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 4: veto it or bless it. I got to tell you, Lou, 112 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 4: I think it's impossible to imagine Newsom letting Eric out 113 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 4: now because if he lets him out, and if, as 114 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 4: the commissioners were worried about, he commits another violent crime, 115 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 4: you know, it's give me some explaining to do by 116 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 4: Gavin Newsom. If you think back in the day when 117 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 4: Dataka's running, that's exactly. 118 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 3: What I was thinking. I'm like, this is his Ducaccus 119 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 3: moment now, and he doesn't want to have one of. 120 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 4: Those, because, yeah, Willie Horton was a convicted murderer life 121 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 4: without parole, and the geniuses in the Massachusetts legislature said, well, 122 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 4: we should let guys like this have a furlough overy 123 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 4: a few weekends, you know, or a time or two 124 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 4: a year, you know, reconnect with the old gang. And 125 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,919 Speaker 4: of course Willie Horton got out and he raped a 126 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 4: woman in assaulted a person and that was it for 127 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 4: Ducoccus's campaign, along with the picture of him in a 128 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 4: tank with a snoopy helmet on. So Yeahkevin Nissen doesn't 129 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 4: want to go through that. So that ship has sailed. 130 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 4: He's not going to let him out at all. But 131 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 4: here's the deal. They still have a chance to get 132 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 4: out with a new trial because they say there's new evidence. 133 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 4: And there is in the sense that at the trial 134 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 4: when they were convicted of murders, the evidence of Eric 135 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 4: writing a letter to his cousin nine months before the 136 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 4: murders saying, hey, dad's molesting me was not in the 137 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 4: record for whatever reason. And it's possible in the next 138 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 4: few months an LA judge will say, you know what, 139 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 4: if the original jury had known about Eric Sladder, they 140 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 4: might have found him not guilty. Therefore, under the law, 141 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 4: he is entitled to a new trial. It's kind of 142 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 4: a long shot, but Mark Garrigos, I think at this 143 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 4: point it's going to put all of his eggs in 144 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 4: that basket, and you know, we could have a total rerun. 145 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 4: Another Menendez trial for the third time. 146 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 3: Another Menendez trial in Los Angeles. 147 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 2: ABC News legal analyst Royal Oaks, thanks so much for 148 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 2: coming on. 149 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 3: Always good to catch up with you on this one. 150 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 2: The mystery that will never go away and that it 151 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 2: has gotten even more complicated with. 152 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 3: I mean, these claims of having all kinds. 153 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 2: Of contraband in prison and getting involved in schemes always 154 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 2: so amazing to me how industrious these people are behind bars. 155 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 2: Lou Penrose in for John Coblt on KFI AM six 156 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 2: forty Live Everywhere on the iHeartRadio Act. 157 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 5: You're listening to John Coblt on demand from KFI AM 158 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 5: six forty. 159 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 2: Lou Penrose in for John Coblt on the John Cobalt Show, 160 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 2: Happy to be with you. The President took aim at 161 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 2: the mayor of Los Angeles from the press conference this 162 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 2: morning at the White House, both the Mayor of Los Angeles, 163 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 2: Karen Bass, and the governor of California. 164 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 3: You have a newsom here's President Trump. 165 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 2: Well, Los Angeles is an example. 166 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 4: You know, it's poorly run. 167 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 2: We have a mayor that can't even get permise to 168 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 2: the people that lost that houses. 169 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 3: The mayor is incompetent. The governor is incompetent. 170 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 5: Gavin. 171 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 3: I know Gavin very well. He's an incompetent guy with 172 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:33,359 Speaker 3: a good lad of Vosh and he doesn't. 173 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 2: Get the job. 174 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 4: JT. 175 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 2: So a little fun there, President Trump using the BS word. 176 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 2: I had to bleep it out. You know what's interesting 177 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 2: is I don't have to bleep it out because he's 178 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 2: the President of the United States, but we bleep it 179 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 2: out anyway. But yeah, look, the President being very clear 180 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 2: about his thoughts on these two individuals. I think that 181 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 2: competence is going to become a bigger and bigger problem 182 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 2: for major Democrat leaders, because whether you agree or disagree 183 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:17,439 Speaker 2: with the direction the president is taking an agency, a policy, 184 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 2: a position. 185 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 3: He gets the. 186 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 2: Football into the end zone, he gets the job done. 187 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 2: He took over Washington, DC. You can say, oh, my goodness, 188 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 2: wells so agreedious. It's authoritarian, boy, what a dictator. Well, 189 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:35,439 Speaker 2: legally he can do it, and he did it. He 190 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 2: didn't do as much. 191 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 3: As he could legally do. 192 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 2: He could take over the entire federal city. He took 193 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 2: over the police department, and crime rates have dropped. That's competence. 194 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 2: You may not like the National Guard in Georgetown, but 195 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 2: the National Guard in Georgetown somehow is stopping crime in 196 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 2: ward eight And that's effectiveness. And I've had this theory 197 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 2: for a while that Democrats in California they have problems 198 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 2: that they don't have political problems, although I don't I'm 199 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 2: a Republican. I don't agree with their political philosophies, but 200 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 2: I respect them. And back in the day, the only 201 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:22,959 Speaker 2: difference between Democrats and Republicans was the route to solving 202 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:23,559 Speaker 2: the problem. 203 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 3: Right, you want a better society. 204 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 2: Democrats have points of view philosophically that gets us there. 205 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 2: Republicans have different ones, but the goal was always the same, 206 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 2: a better society, right, more opportunity for people, whatever. And 207 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 2: Trump's philosophies are very different than Karen Bass or Gavin Newsom. 208 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 2: But Trump is achieving his goal, and I would argue 209 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 2: Newsom is not, and certainly Karen Vass is not. Nobody 210 00:10:55,559 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 2: thinks that she is competent. She cares a lot, ye, 211 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:07,319 Speaker 2: and she's strong, but she's not getting the job done. 212 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 3: Look at the Palisades. I mean she's not getting. 213 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 2: The job done, and throwing bombs at President Trump all 214 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 2: day doesn't. 215 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 3: Move her forward. 216 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 2: Nearly as much as she believes it does. So I 217 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 2: do think that Democrats have a competence problem. Show me 218 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 2: where a Democrat in a major city in America is 219 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 2: running the city well. Chicago, New York, Baltimore, DC, Birmingham, 220 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 2: Los Angeles, San Francisco, even San Diego. 221 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 3: Show me where it's. 222 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 2: Being run well, where people are flocking to those places 223 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 2: because the quality of life there is so good. Because 224 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 2: it's so safe, because it's such a great place to 225 00:11:53,080 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 2: raise a family. Right, people leave those places because they 226 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 2: want a safer quality of light, they want a better 227 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 2: quality of life, they want more opportunity, they want to 228 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,599 Speaker 2: raise a family. So Trump is in a position to 229 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 2: reverse that trend because he's showing competence. So the Democrats, 230 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 2: particularly in California, truly have a competency problem. They have 231 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,559 Speaker 2: another problem too. This is a kind of a theory 232 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 2: I've been working on. Democrats don't have a political problem 233 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 2: in California. They have a maturity problem in California. There 234 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 2: is a tremendous and this is new, this is novel. 235 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 2: They have a tremendous level of immaturity about them in 236 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 2: everything they do and everything they say. This latest effort 237 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:47,719 Speaker 2: by Democrats and Sacramento, led by Governor Gaven Neussom to 238 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 2: gerrymannder congressional districts to get even with Texas is juvenile, 239 00:12:55,600 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 2: but it fits because they are very immature. I was 240 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 2: watching the reports out of the US Attorney's office. Billy A. Sale, 241 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:17,439 Speaker 2: the the guy that was charged and ultimately they got him. 242 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 2: He was nailing nails or spikes into the tires of 243 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 2: the ice vehicles in the parking lot of the hotel 244 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 2: out in Rancho Cucamonga, you know, to flatten the tires 245 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 2: of the ice vehicles. 246 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 3: When they got him, he was fifty four years old. 247 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 2: Fifty four, that's a pretty immature thing for a fifty 248 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 2: four year old to be doing. Like, what's wrong with you? 249 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 2: You're gonna be on camera. There's cameras that, you know, 250 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 2: scan the parking lot of a hotel, especially if they 251 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 2: are ice vehicles parked in it, And even if you're 252 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 2: not on camera, they'll just they'll get a new vehicle. 253 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 2: It's not gonna stop the ice raids. It's a very 254 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 2: immature act. And the other guy, the guy that was 255 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 2: they got him, he was the one on camera caught 256 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 2: throwing the rocks at the windshield of the ice vehicles. 257 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 3: He was thirty nine years old. Thirty nine. 258 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 2: In the middle of the day, throwing rocks at the 259 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 2: windshield of a vehicle driven by federal agents who were 260 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 2: doing their job in some kind of half assed form 261 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 2: of political protest. I thought, these are very immature people. 262 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 2: I mean, they're idiots anyway, but they're also immature. Like 263 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 2: at thirty nine, I had already had two of my 264 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 2: three sons, with the third on the way, and I 265 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 2: own my house like I was a grown up at 266 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 2: thirty nine. I was a grown up at twenty one. 267 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 2: But you see some very immature behavior. I see it 268 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 2: in all these demonstrations. 269 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 3: Nothing wrong with them. 270 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 2: First Amendment right, right to protests, freely assemble. 271 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 3: Good for you. It's a little strange that you have 272 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 3: as much time that you have. 273 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 2: But nevertheless, every time I see these Democrats protesting President Trump, 274 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 2: whether it's immigration enforcement or whatever it is, I see 275 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 2: it now in DC. They don't like there's like liberal 276 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 2: white people in DC mad at the cops for making DC. 277 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 3: State very bizarre to me, but they're out there with. 278 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 2: Signs and like stupid statements on signs, like in the 279 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 2: middle of the day, and I'm thinking, don't you people 280 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 2: have jobs? So there's this immaturity among the Democrat base 281 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 2: and it finds itself really kind of it flows upward 282 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 2: into the lawmakers. You see Democrat lawmakers saying very foolish things, 283 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 2: making foolish statements about the end of democracy. And now 284 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 2: we're faced with this ballot proposition, We're gonna hear a 285 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 2: whole lot about prop fifty. My goodness, this Prop fifty 286 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 2: is going to be the biggest thing ever in California politics, 287 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 2: this special election coming up in November. And all's fair 288 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 2: in love and war, and we are at a political war. 289 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 2: I have said for a long time, this is what 290 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 2: a cold civil war looks like. There's we had, We've 291 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 2: had war, and we had a cold war. We've had 292 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 2: a civil war. We are now in the midst I believe, 293 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 2: of a cold civil war. And this redistrict thing for 294 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 2: the purpose of political games, ratchets, ratcheted. It's ratcheted up 295 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 2: a little bit, and it's legal to do and the 296 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 2: Governor's going to do it and we'll see where the 297 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 2: chips fall. But it is certainly a very immature reaction. 298 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 2: Fight fire with fire is immaturity, like children say that. 299 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 2: And now my governor, we'll talk about it more. 300 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 3: Coming up next. 301 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 2: Lou Penrose on KFI AM six forty Live everywhere on 302 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 2: the iHeartRadio app in for John Coblt. 303 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 5: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM 304 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 5: six forty. 305 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,679 Speaker 2: Lou Penrose in for John Coblt today, Happy Friday. 306 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 3: Good to have you along with us. 307 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 2: So the ballot measure that will be presented to all 308 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 2: of us in California. Proposition fifty has already raised thirteen 309 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 2: million dollars. A Los Angeles Times pull out yesterday, forty 310 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 2: six percent will support the gerrymandering of these congressional districts. 311 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:44,199 Speaker 2: Thirty six percent will not, with eighteen percent undecided, So 312 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 2: there's already a pretty good spread. 313 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:48,400 Speaker 3: But eighteen percent. 314 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,120 Speaker 2: Undecided are going to have to fall somewhere, and it's 315 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 2: going to be an interesting question. 316 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:54,159 Speaker 3: Now again, we'll talk. 317 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 2: Following the news at three with the California Assembly Member 318 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 2: Tom Lackey out Indale. We'll get the latest on this 319 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 2: and I'll bring you up the speed from my experience 320 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 2: with it too. I went through two redistrict things. I 321 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 2: worked for three members of Congress, and they changed the 322 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,919 Speaker 2: congressional lines every ten years because the census comes out 323 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 2: every ten years, and I'll fill you in on that process. 324 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 3: So what they're doing here is they are just changing 325 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 3: the rules of the game. 326 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 2: Frankly, now, originally the California Governor, Gaven Newsom wanted to 327 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 2: change the rules in the game in reaction to Texas. 328 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 2: They are changing the rules of the game quite Frankly 329 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 2: as well. But as it turned out, the Texas reference 330 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 2: was stripped out of the final piece of legislation that 331 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 2: was passed by the Assembly and the state Senate and 332 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:55,400 Speaker 2: signed into law yesterday by Governor Gaven Newsom. So it's 333 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 2: it's all out war and it's completely legal. I know 334 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 2: they have been some attempts to say, well, this is 335 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 2: supposed to be a thirty day review period and this 336 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 2: and that, But at the end of the day, Democrats 337 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 2: are in control in Sacramento. 338 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 3: They have a supermajority. 339 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 2: They're able that they can gut an amend and get 340 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,360 Speaker 2: around the thirty day rule, and they did it, and 341 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 2: now it's happening. They are spending unbelievable amounts of money 342 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:25,640 Speaker 2: to get even with President Trump and see if they 343 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 2: can't make it so he's not in power after twenty 344 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:33,880 Speaker 2: twenty six. So where are we the upcoming midterm elections. 345 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 2: We are four hundred and thirty eight days until the 346 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 2: November mid term election, So that's a goodly amount of 347 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 2: time for both sides to make the case whether there 348 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 2: ought to be gerrymandering on purpose for the purpose of 349 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 2: making sure more Democrats are elected, for the purpose of 350 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:53,360 Speaker 2: giving the House of Representatives to the Democrats so they 351 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 2: can I don't know, stop Trump or impeach him or 352 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 2: whatever they want to do once they're in power. But 353 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 2: that's the goal here, and it is frankly refreshing to 354 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 2: see it so transparent. I'm glad they're not even like 355 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 2: Democrats are not even trying to mislead the people of California. 356 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 3: They're being very honest. 357 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 2: We are cheating because we think that Texas is cheating, 358 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 2: and so because Texas is cheating, we're gonna cheat to 359 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 2: and try and rig the lines so that there's a 360 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 2: better chance of Democrats getting elected. And they do that 361 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 2: by finding pockets of registered Democrats and making the lines 362 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 2: all squiggily wiggly to go go around that city and 363 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:38,439 Speaker 2: under that city to go get that city because that 364 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 2: city has more registered Democrats. 365 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 3: And the theory is if there are more registered Democrats in. 366 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 2: That congressional district, there'll be more Democrat votes and a 367 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 2: Democrat will be get elected. 368 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 3: And the plan is to get up to five more Democrats. 369 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:54,399 Speaker 2: And it's completely unfair, it's completely unethical, but it is 370 00:20:55,000 --> 00:21:01,120 Speaker 2: certainly legal and majority gets to rule. So we'll see 371 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 2: what the fault. Now, I think going forward, this is 372 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:10,439 Speaker 2: a really bad idea. I think Democrats in California will 373 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 2: regret going here because it's blatantly political, and they're gonna say, yeah, 374 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 2: but lou democracy is in peril. 375 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 4: Right. 376 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 2: The president is about to take over martial law of 377 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 2: the cities. He's taking over DC. He wants to go 378 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 2: over Chicago, he wants they go over Los Angeles. So 379 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 2: this is what dictators do, So we have to use 380 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,360 Speaker 2: any means necessary to stop him. That's the route they're 381 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 2: gonna take. We'll see where that gets them. I actually 382 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 2: think they are unaware of how popular Trump is in California. 383 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,959 Speaker 2: In twenty sixteen, Trump was not popular in California at 384 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:58,400 Speaker 2: all over those four years, and then over the Biden administration, 385 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 2: Trump became far more popular in California. Now he still 386 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:08,439 Speaker 2: loses the state, but he did way better in twenty 387 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 2: twenty four in California than he did in twenty twenty, 388 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:14,199 Speaker 2: and in twenty twenty he did way better than he 389 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,919 Speaker 2: did in twenty sixteen. Now I know that the home 390 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:22,439 Speaker 2: of Trump arrangement syndrome is California. So the people that 391 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 2: don't like Trump really hate him. In California. They just 392 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 2: don't prefer him in Arizona. They don't prefer him in Massachusetts, 393 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 2: but in California it's vitriolic. 394 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 3: And that's okay, right. 395 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 2: Leaders tend to engender that kind of passion. But there's 396 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 2: also people that were not sure, and after he was 397 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 2: elected in twenty sixteen, realized that all the hyperbole about 398 00:22:58,119 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 2: this man is going to be a dictator, this man 399 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:01,919 Speaker 2: is going to be a dictator, and they're like, it 400 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 2: wasn't so bad. And then in twenty twenty four, this 401 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 2: man's going to be a dictator. This man's going to 402 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 2: be a dictator. 403 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 3: Look at j six blah blah blah, and problems. 404 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 2: Are getting solved, and the economy is strong, and there 405 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 2: is an inflation and all the tariff deals worked to 406 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 2: bring other nations to the table to negotiate a fair rate, 407 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 2: and the you know, problems are getting solved in the 408 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:27,959 Speaker 2: Middle East and things are moving forward. 409 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 3: And now they're planting grass in DC. So like the 410 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 3: hyperbole that. 411 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,400 Speaker 2: He was going to be a dictator on day one, 412 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 2: that fizzled out, and that makes people take a second look. 413 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 3: So I think they're going to have more of an 414 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 3: uphill climb. Now, it all depends on a couple of things. 415 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 2: Democrats love to mislead with dishonest ballot titles, and they'll 416 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 2: come up with some miss you know, misleading dishonest bat 417 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 2: ballot title this time for sure, and we'll see what 418 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 2: we're left with. But so would this measure fail, It will 419 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 2: be a huge embarrassment for Gavin Newsom and a huge 420 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 2: stain on the political careers of these Democrats who voted 421 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 2: to effectively jerry manner the state up to cheat. We'll 422 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 2: talk about it coming up following the news with California 423 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 2: State assembly Member Tom Lackey. 424 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,120 Speaker 3: That's just about fifteen minutes. Lou Penrose in. 425 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 2: For John Cobelt on the John Cobalt Show on k 426 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 2: i AM six forty Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. 427 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 5: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM 428 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 5: six forty. 429 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 2: Louke Penrose info John Cobelt on the John Cobelt Show. 430 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,679 Speaker 2: Coming up following the news at three, we'll talk with 431 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:47,919 Speaker 2: California State assembly Member Tom Lackey about this redistricting effort. 432 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 2: It's called Proposition fifty. It will be on the ballot 433 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 2: November fourth and the likelihood of. 434 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:56,120 Speaker 3: It being defeated. 435 00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 2: I am frankly surprised, really, am Supper. I thought there 436 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:06,360 Speaker 2: would be more Democrat defection. This is red hot because 437 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 2: Democrats now are actively admitting that they want to cheat 438 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 2: to offset what they're doing in Texas for the sole 439 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:23,439 Speaker 2: purposes of getting Democrats elected, not having fair elections, having 440 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 2: unfair congressional districts to make the chances of a Democrat 441 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 2: getting elected. 442 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 3: In that congressional district more likely to win the House 443 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 3: of Representatives. It's a bold move. 444 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 2: As I said, war, all's fair in love and war, 445 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 2: and this is. 446 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 3: Cold civil war. This is what cold civil war looks like. 447 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 2: When governors just forget about the rules of the game 448 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 2: and decide to rig the system to benefit their political party. 449 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 3: That's exactly what's going on here. Now. 450 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,160 Speaker 2: You can say, well, look, Texas is doing it, why 451 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:06,680 Speaker 2: can't we do it? You can, we are, but conditions 452 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 2: are a. 453 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 3: Little different in Texas. 454 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:12,159 Speaker 2: To be perfectly fair, they haven't come out to say 455 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 2: we want to get more Republicans. In California. They're saying 456 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 2: we want to get more Democrats. But it did start 457 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 2: with Texas, and Texas could have waited. Texas has a 458 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 2: little bit more credibility than California has. The arguments in Texas, 459 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,400 Speaker 2: and I'm not I'm not a big. 460 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,400 Speaker 3: Fan of this way of winning. 461 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 2: I am partisan for sure, But at the end of 462 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 2: the day, you ought to be able to win an 463 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 2: election based on your ideas, and as a Republican, I 464 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 2: believe our ideas are better. So a good candidate with 465 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 2: some good personality ought to be able to take a 466 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,360 Speaker 2: standard Republican playbook and sell it to the voter. And 467 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,439 Speaker 2: if you can't sell it to the voter and you 468 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 2: don't win, then you're the candidates the problem, not the philosophy, 469 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 2: because I know smaller government, lower taxes, law and order 470 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:10,199 Speaker 2: always wins. 471 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 3: Smaller government, lower taxes. 472 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 2: More freedom, and law and order is always better than 473 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 2: the alternative. And the other side is selling the alternative. 474 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 2: So you ought to be able to sell it. You 475 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 2: should not have to draw different lines. And that's what 476 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 2: they're choosing to do in Texas. Now in Texas, theyre 477 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 2: not saying that's the reason why. In Texas, they're saying, 478 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 2: look a couple things, you know, since two thousand, things 479 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 2: have changed in Texas significantly. A whole lot of people 480 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 2: from California moved here, a whole lot of people from 481 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 2: New York moved here, a whole lot of illegals. 482 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:45,880 Speaker 3: Just got removed. 483 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:53,479 Speaker 2: And there are congressional districts where President Trump won in 484 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:58,680 Speaker 2: Texas and the Democrat that's representing that congressional district wants 485 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 2: to impeach him, So that's kind of out of balance. Now, 486 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 2: it is possible that the same voter could vote for 487 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 2: President Trump and vote for a Democrat congresswoman that wants 488 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 2: to impte impeach President Trump. 489 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 3: But that does seem odd. 490 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 2: So the Texas State Legislature, who is empowered with drawing 491 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 2: those lines, chose to review it. 492 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 3: And that's their rationale. Is you know, is that just 493 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 3: you know, political spin? Maybe I don't know. I don't 494 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 3: care what goes out in. 495 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 2: Texas, but what's going on in California is absolutely clear. 496 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 2: They want to elect more Democrats. They want to jerry 497 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 2: mander the lines so to increase the odds of a 498 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 2: Democrat getting elected by increasing the amount of Democrat voters 499 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 2: in the congressional district. 500 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 3: And the maps look terrible. 501 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 2: I mean, they are certainly not good for self representation 502 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 2: the way it's supposed to work is just supposed to 503 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 2: keep community together of interest. It's supposed to be county, 504 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 2: whole city hall where it's possible, right, keep cities all 505 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 2: in one congressional district, keep counties all in one congressional district, 506 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 2: keep communities of interest together. Agriculture communities are different than 507 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 2: major cities. Major cities are different than suburbs. And this 508 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 2: is all designed so that you are well represented to 509 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 2: the federal government for federal needs. So where there's a 510 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 2: lot of I don't know, retired military that ought to 511 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 2: be a VA hospital there, so that would make sense 512 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 2: to group that together. And it's never perfect, but you 513 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 2: can approach perfection if you take politics out of it. 514 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 2: And that's what the Citizens Commission was designed to do. 515 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 2: Because it's it's the nature of the beast right, it 516 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 2: makes all this. It's human nature as human nature. If 517 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 2: you are a Republican, you want a congressional district that's 518 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 2: got more Republicans registered than Democrats registered. That makes your 519 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 2: job easier to run for re election. If you're a Democrat, 520 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 2: you want to run in a district that's got a 521 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 2: higher Democrat registration than Republican registration, because that makes your 522 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 2: job easier. But at the end of the day, the 523 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 2: amount of registered Republicans or Democrats should not matter in 524 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 2: the congressional district when it's being drawn, it should be what. 525 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 3: Are the people, regardless of their political affiliation? 526 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 2: Are they? You know, farmers, are they city people? Are 527 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 2: they serbinites? I mean, what's going on? And then what 528 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 2: part of the state is it? Northern California should probably 529 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 2: stay in Northern California, it shouldn't be most of Reading 530 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 2: and then a small squiggly line that dips down into 531 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 2: San Francisco to just increase the Democrat registration of that 532 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 2: weird shape district to ensure a Democrat wins. 533 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 3: Like, that's not the way it's supposed to be. 534 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 2: So with respect to the whole Texas versus California fight, 535 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 2: I don't think it's fair. I think that Texas has 536 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 2: a whole other agenda going on, and the California one 537 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 2: is completely Trump arrangement syndrome. 538 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 3: That's if they win. 539 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 2: I still maintain that this is going to be a 540 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 2: hard sell because of Trump's performance in. 541 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 3: California in twenty twenty four. 542 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 2: I think that there's a lot of manifestations of Trump's 543 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 2: arrangement syndrome. 544 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 3: Denial is a big one. 545 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 2: Democrats in California hate Trump so much that they will 546 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 2: not accept the reality that Trump outperformed his twenty twenty numbers. 547 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 2: They will not accept the reality that he's popular. They 548 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 2: will not accept the reality that he won the popular vote. 549 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 2: They will not accept the reality that he won not 550 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 2: a few, all seven battleground states. The political reality, and 551 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 2: I have a policide agree. 552 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 3: I'm a political scientist. 553 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 2: The political reality from a dispassionate point of view is 554 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 2: the story wasn't Trump beat Harris. 555 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 3: The story was it wasn't even close. 556 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 2: And if you're a Democrat with Trump arrangement syndrome listening 557 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 2: right now, that angers you, like you cannot put that 558 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 2: anywhere in your brain. There's no place for you to 559 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 2: accept that reality. So you have to push back. Some 560 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 2: people are actually saying. 561 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 3: The election was rigged, you know, the election was rigged. 562 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 3: That actually Kamala Harris won. 563 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 2: Like that that is easier, that's more palatable for a 564 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 2: Democrat in California with Trump arrangement syndrome than to recognize 565 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 2: that not only did he slaughter her politically in the election, 566 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 2: but he. 567 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 3: Flipped seven counties in California. 568 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 2: Imperial County, California was Democrat forever. 569 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 3: It's like eighty five percent Latinos. 570 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 2: Democrats tell you that Trump and Latinos don't get along. 571 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 2: The Latinos hate Trump in California, and for the first 572 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 2: time in like dozens of years, Imperial County, California went 573 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 2: for Trump. How can that possibly be? Doesn't fit any 574 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 2: of the narrative that they're out there reporting. So there's 575 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 2: a couple of I think X factors that Democrats are 576 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 2: not willing to accept that I have factored in into 577 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 2: this question coming up in November, that I think is 578 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 2: going to be troublesome for them. 579 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 3: We will see, now, I said. 580 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 2: Early polling Los Angeles Times pulling out this morning, had 581 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 2: the notion of the proposition favored by forty six percent, 582 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 2: the thirty six percent, but still eighteen percent undecided. So 583 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 2: there are enough people who don't know about it or 584 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 2: don't care to know about it, that ultimately we'll be 585 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 2: voting on it, and we have a goodly amount of 586 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 2: time to form a narrative, and what that narrative will 587 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 2: be remains to be seen. Because I also contend that 588 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 2: this is so inside baseball that most people are going 589 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 2: to vote, know, because they don't know and they don't care. 590 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 2: You get into redistricting and apportionment and all that other stuff, 591 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,879 Speaker 2: and people like, give me a break, right, this isn't 592 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 2: a political year, So we'll talk about it coming up 593 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:28,439 Speaker 2: following the News at three o'clock with California assembly Member 594 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,320 Speaker 2: Tom Lockey. 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