1 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Son On with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg 2 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 1: Radio Live from Washington, where COVID and climate change are 3 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: on the White House radar today and we have both covered, 4 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:19,080 Speaker 1: starting with the Big Take on COVID and the two 5 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: America's with Bloomberg White House Correspondent Josh wind Grove. He'll 6 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: be with us shortly along with Larry a man featured 7 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 1: in his story and his story of survival. Later Deputy 8 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: White House National Climate Adviser Ali z a d on infrastructure. 9 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: And thank you for spending part of your Wednesday with 10 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: us on Bloomberg Sound On. It's the Big Take today 11 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: on the terminal Trump country rejects vaccines as Delta menace grows. 12 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: Bloomberg White House Correspondent Josh wind Grove has the byline 13 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: and he's with us now. Thanks for being here, Josh, 14 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: Thank you for you traveled to Springfield, Missouri for this story. 15 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: Why Well, we're seeing just a disparity appear across the 16 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 1: US right now. Some communities have much higher vaccine coverage 17 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: than others. And if you look at the state level, 18 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: it looks a lot like the electoral college map. It's 19 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 1: conservative regions that have lower coverage and it's more liberal 20 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,399 Speaker 1: regions that have higher coverage. In some of those places 21 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: right now are getting hit by the delta variant in particular. 22 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,759 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, the hospitalizations, for instance in Springfield 23 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 1: are higher at one hospital, Hospital Mercy, than they've ever 24 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: been and that of course is just you know, heartbreaking 25 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: to watch the impact that this is having on our communities. 26 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: And so we wanted to go to try to talk 27 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: a little bit and try to figure out why it 28 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: was the uptake of these vaccines is lower, and the 29 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: answers of course are complicated. But we of course spoke 30 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: with Larry Krauke, who had survived COVID himself last year. 31 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: You know, he fought through it for weeks, came out 32 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: on the other end. Larry is a beat guy who 33 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: has tried to warn people. You know, listen, you don't 34 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 1: want to be like me. This thing packs a punch, um, 35 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: But I think as as he'll tell you, it's it's 36 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: a tough sell, and it's a careful sell. If you 37 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:18,839 Speaker 1: try to push people, you know, to do something like this, 38 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: if you push too hard, or push really frankly at all, 39 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 1: if you'd shame or anything like that, you're it's counterproductive. 40 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: You're just backing them into a corner and they're never 41 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: going to get a vaccine. And so many folks right 42 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: now we're just figuring out how, what if anything, can 43 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: we do to try to boost vaccination rates across the country, 44 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: including in fairly conservative places that might not be you know, 45 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 1: fan number one of Joe Biden or of Tony Faucci. 46 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: So this is where we're at, and um, yeah, it was. 47 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: It's a lovely town they're dealing with they're dealing with 48 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: a problem right now, and then they're just trying to 49 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: figure out how they can get shots and arms. At 50 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: the very beginning of Josh's story, we are introduced to 51 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: the aforementioned Larry Krauke. As I read awoke in a 52 00:02:56,440 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: strange hospital. The date written on a dry erase board 53 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: in that hospital room, December twelve, can't be right, he thought. 54 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 1: He remembered being treated for COVID at a different hospital 55 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: in Springfield on November one. Larry has been to Hell 56 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 1: and back with COVID and he's with us now. Larry, 57 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 1: thank you for being part of the story. Thank you 58 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: guys for having me on. See a photo of you 59 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: right here. At the top and read your story. And 60 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: you have since recovered from the coronavirus. You almost died 61 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: from it, do you will, Actually, Joe, I did die 62 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: for twenty two seconds. Well, tell us about that situation. Yeah, 63 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: flat line. I went in the hospital October at at 64 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: the Mercy Hospital that Josh was talking about, and was 65 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: there for a couple of weeks doing really good. Told 66 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: I was going home the next week, and then I 67 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: cracked on November one, And as you said, I don't 68 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: remember anything between November one and December twelve. This of 69 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: course before a vaccine was available. Yeah, yeah, I mean 70 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: completely before was available, and um, you know it. It 71 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: just ravaged me that they gave me a chance to live. 72 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: They told my family to make funeral arrangements and that 73 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: if I was to come to I would probably need 74 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: to need a double lung transplant or be on a 75 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 1: ventilator for the first a lot. And I've beaten all 76 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 1: those odds. Actually just had a visit with my pulmonologists 77 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 1: this morning and gave him another big hug and told 78 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: him I love you for everything he did. And uh, 79 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 1: you know, he's thinking another year from now, I'll should 80 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: be back to somewhat normal with my lung capacity. And 81 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: that's all, you know, a miracle. I see in the 82 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: photo that you have scars from the ventilator, Larry, do 83 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: you have any lingering symptoms? Oh? Yeah, yeah. I'll never 84 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: be the same person I was before I got sick. 85 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 1: What are I woke up? I look up with what's 86 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 1: called frozen shoulders and that's from my mobility of use. 87 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: That the tendons in the muscles atrophy. You know, I 88 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:55,359 Speaker 1: lost sixty pounds do this, and most of it was muscle. Um. 89 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,039 Speaker 1: And you know, I will eventually get some some of 90 00:04:58,040 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: the strength back in my arms, so probably not all 91 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:02,359 Speaker 1: of uh you seeing a picture. I'm six too. I 92 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: was almost three pounds when I got six. I was 93 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: a pretty big guy. Um. You know I had to 94 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:09,919 Speaker 1: reteach myself how to eat, how to walk, how to 95 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: sit up. Um, I either had to learn how to 96 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: do all that stuff. Um. You know, I'll never be 97 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: able to run a full run like I used to. Um, 98 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 1: You're not ever really left the same wait and do 99 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: a lot of the same things I was able to 100 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: do before. Um as I as I's told Josh, and 101 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: it's in the article. It's it's really all relevant. Joe. 102 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,679 Speaker 1: I'm I'm alive, man, and I thank God to be alive. 103 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 1: You know, Larry, can you talk to me a little 104 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 1: bit about or talk to us about what you think 105 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 1: people want to hear if they're on the fence a 106 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 1: bit of vaccine? What works in your mind? What doesn't work? Um? 107 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: And what if people what do people asked you or 108 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: raised you knowing what they do, but what you've gone through. Yeah, 109 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: I mean that's a great question, and it's a tough 110 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: one to answer because it really depends on I guess 111 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: you know how rooted there, Uh, their politics play into this, 112 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 1: and and uh, it's tough. You know. I've had some 113 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: very candid conversations with people who are like me, kind 114 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: the middle of the road, and like you had mentioned, 115 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: they you know, they don't really trust the government, and 116 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: they don't trust the vaccine was rushed and there's all 117 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: these things they don't trust, and I just try to 118 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 1: explain to them that, you know, I don't have the 119 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: answer to what's going to solve this, but there's a 120 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 1: vaccine that's out there that gives you the hope that 121 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: if you get COVID, you won't get as sick as 122 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 1: I was. It's not going to keep you from catching 123 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 1: it's gonna keep you from getting as sick as I was. 124 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,799 Speaker 1: And uh, you know sometimes that falls on death fears. 125 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 1: You know. Sometimes it's uh, it's asked to me just 126 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,359 Speaker 1: to see where I stand, and they want to you know, 127 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: rebute that and kind of you know, throw all this 128 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: stuff at my way about other medicines it would work better, 129 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 1: or they didn't work fast enough on me, and just 130 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,039 Speaker 1: things like that, and and IVER really don't have any 131 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 1: time for that, you know. I tell them, you guys 132 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 1: know my story. You know what I went through, and 133 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: you're still set of standing here and wanting to debate 134 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: that it's a true virus and what it can do 135 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: to you. I mean, I you know, I kind of 136 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: shrugged my shoulders at times. I'm you know, like like 137 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: Josh and said, it's if you push too hard, they 138 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: just turn it off. You try to give him educated 139 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: I tell me, go to the CDC website. I try 140 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: to tell him to do the real research off of 141 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: social media means, and you know, really look into what 142 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: this virus does do and what the vaccine can do 143 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: to help you. We're talking with Larry Krauke, who is 144 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: featured in the Big Take by Josh Wing Grove. Today, 145 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: Trump Country rejects vaccines as delta menace grows. I'm Joe, Matthew. 146 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: You're listening to Bloomberg Sound on, and we've got Josh 147 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: in studio as we talk with Larry. You know, Larry, 148 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: it's as I read the column, I'm introduced as well 149 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: to your niece who is not interested in the vaccine 150 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: despite someone in her close family. You well, as you 151 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: put it, dying from COVID, what's that conversation like? It's tough, man. 152 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: You know, you have family and not all family agrees 153 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,239 Speaker 1: on the same politics at the same views in life, 154 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: and you love them even though they're not on the 155 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: same level. Sometimes it's it's difficult. Um, you know, because 156 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: this this person was very present with my wife and 157 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: my daughter through all this. You know, they're the ones 158 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: that the witnessed me going through this. I was asleep 159 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: during that time, so you know, I don't have PTSD 160 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: from it, but what they do, and and this person 161 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: was part of all that. And you know, to to 162 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: still have that feeling of well, I'll let my body, 163 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: you know, my body's immunities right out the illness. If 164 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: I get it, or you know, if I get it, 165 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: it's my time. It's just my time. Well it's tough, 166 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: you know, you have to you have to respect that 167 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: as a human because otherwise you just become combative and 168 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: nobody wins because you walk away the two sides, you know, 169 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: with the lines in the sand, and like Josh said earlier, 170 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: you get pushed back and that doesn't solve anything. So 171 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: you hope over time that people will, I guess see 172 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 1: the benefit of getting the vaccine. You know. I I 173 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,559 Speaker 1: wish no ill will on anyone, So I hope that 174 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: they don't get COVID, and I hope that if they 175 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: do get it, they get a version that's very mild 176 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: and not anything close to one eye. So, Josh, here 177 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 1: we are in Springfield, Missouri. These are the communities were 178 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: describing here and learning about from Larry and your journalism 179 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: that Joe Biden was talking about yesterday, door to door, 180 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: mobile clinics going to doctors and pediatricians you mentioned firefighters. 181 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: Is any of this going to work in a place 182 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: like Springfield? I mean, the Community Health Center in Springfield 183 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: has mobile clinics. There's just no demand for them. They 184 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: they'll send them to anywhere, and they say when they 185 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: show up sometimes they get single digit uptake. You know, 186 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: go to business once vaccinating workers are offered to their workers. 187 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 1: When you start knocking on doors, Oh, I don't think 188 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: we're there. We've got a problem now, Larry, we are laughing. 189 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 1: I made a comment to Josh when he was here, 190 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: we were doing the interview, and uh, you know, this 191 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: is pretty heavy conservative Republican country. And even though Trump 192 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: may have uh spearheaded the vaccine to get it rolling, 193 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: you know, it was Biden that stood up and said, 194 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: you know, we want to get this many people vaccinated 195 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 1: by this date. Well you have to look at this way. 196 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: If you didn't vote for Biden, you sure as how heck, 197 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: aren't going to listen to what he's saying, and you're 198 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 1: gonna go against me thing he says. So they might 199 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 1: say it's not political, but it is. You know, Josh 200 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 1: and I had a great talk. You know, if if 201 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: Trump would have got up there and said that, would 202 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: the same people be resistant to taking this vaccine. You know, 203 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: that's something you have to put in the back of 204 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: your mind. You're going door to door, knock on the door, 205 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: and saying, would you like to get the vaccine? You 206 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: might as well be selling vacuum cleaners. Are our bibles? 207 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 1: You know? I mean, they're just not going to take it. 208 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: They haven't gone out of their own accord to take it. 209 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: They're surely not going to take it from a stranger 210 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: showing at their door. Government stranger. The government stranger is 211 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: not going to help them. Larry Krouke in Springfield, Missouri, 212 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: Josh wind Grove, Bloomberg White House correspondent, thank you both 213 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:52,679 Speaker 1: for bringing us the story today. Thank you, Thank you 214 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: read the story if you haven't already on a terminal 215 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: here in the US. By the way, as I turned 216 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:04,959 Speaker 1: to the Bloomberg vaccine tracker COVID tracker, three thirty two 217 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: million doses have been given so far in the last week, 218 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: an average of three hundred make that, seven hundred thousand 219 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:16,719 Speaker 1: doses a day. We're administered. Coming up, we turned to infrastructure, 220 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: a bit of a different wrinkle as the Democrats push 221 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: for what's become known as soft infrastructure. Let's get into 222 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: the details here with Deputy White House National Climate Advisor 223 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: Ali z d He's next. I'm Joe Matthew. This is Bloomberg. 224 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Son On with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. 225 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: Thanks for being with us on Bloomberg Sound On. As 226 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: we turned to the infrastructure push and President Biden as 227 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: the salesman in chief, back on the road today with 228 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: a visit to Crystal Lake, Illinois, conservative leaning suburb of Chicago. 229 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: You can't wait any longer to do with climate crisis 230 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 1: we see in our own eyes, and there's time to act. 231 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: The bipartisan agreement we reached make some major strides, and 232 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: there could be more where that is coming from climate 233 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: change prevention through reconciliation, all part of infrastructure. Assuming we 234 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: get that far, and so we bring in Deputy White 235 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: House National Climate Advisor Ali z Ad to talk about it. 236 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 1: Welcome Ali to Bloomberg Radio. It's good to be on. 237 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 1: We've been tracking the President here, not just today in Illinois, 238 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:34,199 Speaker 1: but on a number of stops over the last couple 239 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: of weeks here to make the case for infrastructure, and 240 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 1: and a lot of it, if not most of it, 241 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:43,079 Speaker 1: has been on the so called hard infrastructure. What are 242 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 1: we talking about though, when we say climate change as 243 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: a portion of infrastructure, that's a great question. Look all 244 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: of these issues intersect one with the other. UM. When 245 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 1: we talk about taking care of our forests and improve 246 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: moving the resilience of our communities to drought and wildfire, UM, 247 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:11,839 Speaker 1: we're talking about protecting the infrastructure we've already built, UH, 248 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: and protecting the infrastructure we hope to build in the future. UM. 249 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: When we talk about making our infrastructure more resilient in 250 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 1: the face of the climate challenges ahead, UM, we're talking 251 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 1: about investing in communities that are safer. UM. When we 252 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: talk about clean energy, UH, it's about putting steel and 253 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:41,199 Speaker 1: cement in the ground, putting solar panels and wind turbines up, 254 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: stringing transmission line across the country. So look, it's it's 255 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: I think challenging really to to try to disconnect the 256 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 1: human element of what investment we need to make, um, 257 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: from the natural systems and physical systems that we need 258 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 1: to harness to tackle the climate crisis. Well, I'm sure 259 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: you hear the other side of this, at least as 260 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 1: often as I do alive, and people say, well, what 261 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: does that have to do with roads, bridges and tunnels. Sure, 262 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: if you fail to invest in forest management, or fail 263 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: to invest in coastal resilience. Those roads are going to 264 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: wash away. UM if you fail to invest uh in 265 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 1: keeping pace with where our transportation system is going. UM, 266 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: people are going to drive down those roads and they're 267 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: going to be looking for the charging stations for their 268 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: electric vehicles that their government has not yet uh incentivized 269 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: and catalyzed into the infrastructure. UM. You know, if we're 270 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: talking about what we need to enable our economy to grow, 271 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: and that's fundamentally what infrastructure is about, UM, then we've 272 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: got to connect the dots and we've got make sure 273 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: that we're investing in a holistic way uh to strengthen 274 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: the competitiveness of our country UM and and set it 275 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: on the footing it needs in this changing global economy. Okay, 276 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: so let's get more specific as we keep talking. What 277 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: do those mean? What are those priorities? Is mean? Oh 278 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 1: my gosh, we're talking trillions potentially of dollars that could 279 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: be allocated to preventing climate change. What are the important ones? Ali, 280 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: What are the things that you need to have in 281 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: this package that will do what you're saying, keep roads 282 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: from washing away, keep public transit moving. Well, one of 283 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: the things that the President has actually secured support or 284 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: in the bi partisan infrastructure deal that he has struck. 285 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: UM is to invest in the transmission infrastructure, the polls 286 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: and wires that are going to help bring solar or 287 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 1: wind generated in rural areas into those pockets of demand 288 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: in urban communities, creating job opportunities in both places. UM. 289 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: Part of it is work that still needs to get done, 290 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: and that's what the President laid out in Illinois today 291 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: as part of his Build Back Better agenda. UM. One 292 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: of those elements is clean energy tax credits and a 293 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: clean electricity standard, both of which will drive our grid 294 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: to be more clean and more resilient. UM. And in fact, 295 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: just earlier today UM, a group of eighty major businesses, 296 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: including UM, a diverse group like Apple and Exelon and 297 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: General Motors, they all came out in support of the 298 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: President's proposal for a clean electricity standard. So these are 299 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: popular proposals, they are necessary proposals, UH, and that's what 300 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: the President is focused on working with UH Congress on 301 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: both sides of the aisle to move ward. Deputy White 302 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 1: House National Climate Advisor Ali Zad Many, thanks for being 303 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,920 Speaker 1: with us today on Bloomberg sound On. Thanks so much, 304 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 1: Stay with us on Bloomberg Radio. As we continue our 305 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: investigation into infrastructure, you'll hear more conversations like this with 306 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: members of the administration, with lawmakers on Capitol Hill, as 307 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 1: we seek to define infrastructure and get a sense of 308 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:28,880 Speaker 1: just exactly where the debate is coming up. We turned 309 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: to the New York mayor's race as Eric Adams wins 310 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 1: the Democratic primary, even if results are unofficial, We're setting 311 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 1: up a general election contest now against Republican Curtis Sliwa. 312 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 1: Speaker Quinn, what will erase between Eric Adams and Curtis 313 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: Sliwa look like? Oh? Eric will crush Curtis law is 314 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: not a doubt in my mind. With your remarks from 315 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 1: the former council Speaker Christine Quinn, and a conversation straight 316 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 1: ahead with the man who will run as the Republican 317 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: and apparently independent Canada, Curtis Sliwa. Next on Bloomberg Radio, 318 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: Stay here on sound on. I'm Joe Matthew. This is 319 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:27,160 Speaker 1: Bloomberg broadcasting live from our nation's capital. Bloomberg to New York, 320 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: Bloomberg eleven Frio to San Francisco, Bloomberg nine six to 321 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:36,159 Speaker 1: the country. Sirius XM Channel one and around the globe, 322 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: the Bloomberg Business app and Bloomberg Radio dot Com. This 323 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 1: is Bloomberg Sound On with Joe Matthew. Thanks for being 324 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 1: with us on Bloomberg Radio. We're live in Washington. But 325 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 1: next we will turn to the race for mayor of 326 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:54,360 Speaker 1: New York and a conversation with Republican candidate Curtis Sliwa, 327 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 1: who will face Democrat Eric Adams. It appears now in 328 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 1: the general. Thank you for being with us on Bloomberg. 329 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,640 Speaker 1: So we have a race for mayor New York. You've 330 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: heard this throughout the day on Bloomberg Radio, and we 331 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: have Katherine Garcia now Maya Wiley, both conceding to Eric Adams. 332 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: So this is coming together here, Eric Adams versus Curtis 333 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: Sliwa for the next several months. And something that I 334 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,439 Speaker 1: talked about today with Christine Quinn, the former speaker of 335 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 1: the New York City Council. Disappointed, as expressed in an 336 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: op ed recently just a few days ago in the 337 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: New York Times, disappointed that no women we're able to 338 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: win the democratic contest again. You know, I am very 339 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 1: concerned that we are on our hundredth and tense Mayor 340 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: and we still haven't elected a woman. And that's not 341 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: to take anything away from Eric Adams, and it should 342 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: be noted he is only the second black mayor in 343 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 1: the city's history. But we had some really competent women 344 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: running and what is it going to take to get 345 00:19:56,560 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: the electorate of New York City to see women in 346 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 1: an executive clan Quinn went on to talk about the 347 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:08,880 Speaker 1: race and says Eric Adams will quote crush Curtis Sliwa, 348 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 1: speaking of course for the Democrats. We wanted to speak 349 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 1: with Sliwa, who joins us today. Welcome to Bloomberg Radio. Curtis, Oh, 350 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: my pleasure and obviously, uh, it's the first day of 351 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 1: a four month campaign to determine who's going to be 352 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: the mayor of the City of New York and I 353 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 1: believe I'm the guy who's going to save our city. 354 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: Is crime the top issue in this race? No, it's crime, 355 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: crime and crime and the fact that both are Maya. 356 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 1: De Blacio has refused the additional money that was sent 357 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: to New York City by President Joe Biden, who released 358 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 1: some of that COVID nineteen money, specifically to hire more 359 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: police in those cities that were experiencing a rapid increase 360 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:54,399 Speaker 1: in violent crime. Our mayor rejected the president twice, and 361 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,360 Speaker 1: so how are you going to combat crime if you're 362 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,120 Speaker 1: not going to hire more police. That's something I'm doing 363 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: with specificity city by actually charging a property tax to 364 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 1: those that don't pay property tax in the city Madison 365 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 1: Square Garden, n y U Columbia University, and used that 366 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 1: dedicated property tax to hire three thousand additional police officers, 367 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: graduate them and make sure they're properly trained, with orders 368 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 1: to go back and be pre proactive, not preactive like before, 369 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 1: and to give them back the qualified immunity which was 370 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,679 Speaker 1: stripped from them by city council, which is the protection 371 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: that every civil servant, every elected official, every judge, every 372 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: prosecutor has from personally being sued. The police are never 373 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: gonna intervene and never gonna physically risk life and limb 374 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 1: to save us and to prevent us from being victims 375 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 1: if they think that ultimately they could be the object 376 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: of a personally directed lawsuit that bankrupts them. Well, advocates 377 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 1: for criminal justice reform obviously disagree with you. They say, 378 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: that's the very problem right now in our police departments 379 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,400 Speaker 1: is that they cannot be sued or held accountable. Well, 380 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: the problem with our police department is that the very 381 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: justice warriors and acolytes of a OC Alexandriocascio Cortez Democrats 382 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 1: Socialice of America who advocate that we defund the police 383 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: even more, they always seem to have their own private 384 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: armed security officers decide to assigned to them to provide 385 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 1: for their own personal protection. We've seen these sanctimonious hypocrites 386 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 1: violate that time and time again. So if you're a 387 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: purist and you'd say we should defund the police, then 388 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: no on police officers should be assigned to any of 389 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:37,439 Speaker 1: the elected or appointed officials to protect them. In fact, 390 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 1: I was offered a unit of intel as for being 391 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: the Republican primary winner to travel with me in the 392 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,880 Speaker 1: general election, and I said, not no, enough. These police 393 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: officers need to be reassigned into the streets where there 394 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: are drive by shootings, there are gang retaliatory shootings, and 395 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 1: the violent crime level is skyrocketing only threatening to get 396 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 1: worse over a long hot summer. You can't have it 397 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:04,679 Speaker 1: both ways. Following what we saw last summer in the 398 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: marches across the country and some of the biggest were 399 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: right where you are in New York City. What is 400 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 1: your take on the Black Lives Matter movement? You've talked 401 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: about defunding the police and qualified immunity was was Is 402 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: that movement just wrong on those fronts? No? Now, look, 403 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: every every citizen in the United States has a right 404 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 1: to legally and peacefully protests. Many of those protests soon 405 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 1: became riots involving shooting and looting, especially when Antifa got involved. 406 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 1: I've just been with regard to the issues that they're 407 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 1: talking about, though, the points they're making, Qualified immunity was 408 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: at the very center of the calls for reform. Yeah, 409 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 1: and what about with the judges who unfaircely, unfairly incarcerated 410 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: so many men and women of color to long terms 411 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: for crimes say and commit Do they have qualified immunity? Yes? 412 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,640 Speaker 1: What about prosecutors who were guilty of the same indiscretions. 413 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 1: Why should one agency not be protected by the taxpayers 414 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: yet all other agencies are protected. Well, I'm listening to 415 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,360 Speaker 1: because that it is that one agency that can take 416 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: your life. What about in hospitals medical malpractice? Right, that's 417 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: what doctors have to get medical malpractice for. That's what 418 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: hospitals need metal medical malpractice insurance. For Look at Andrew Cuomo. 419 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,679 Speaker 1: We know now there's documentary evidence that is executive or 420 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 1: this caused the death of seniors, citizens who have switched 421 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: from hospitals who a COVID nineteen to long term care units. 422 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: Yet he is protected by qualified immunity. There are hundreds 423 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: of lawsuits, but police carry guns and are actually licensed 424 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,360 Speaker 1: to use deadly force. You don't think that's different than 425 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 1: than somebody dying in an unintended fashion through for instance, malpractice. 426 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 1: Like you said, this is why something that they should 427 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 1: be held at a higher level. I don't see any difference. 428 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,919 Speaker 1: I don't see any difference. If a judge has sentence 429 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: you to twenty five years for a crime you did 430 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: not commit. Prosecutors who have sentenced you for crimes you 431 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: did not commit, where is the cupability on their part? 432 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: How does that person get back that twenty five years 433 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: they spent behind bars, and yet we the taxpayers, provide 434 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: them with qualified immunity. Look, if you want police without guns, 435 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:14,120 Speaker 1: as why we wanted the candidates, the AOC candidates suggest it, well, 436 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,120 Speaker 1: then you'll have a society that has anarchy, that has 437 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 1: lawlessness and there will be many many more shootings, many 438 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,439 Speaker 1: many more debts. How's that defund the police movement working, 439 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: how's that NOBIL situation working? Skyrocketing violent crime rates and 440 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: the victims of people in co of color who live 441 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 1: in the inner cities. Curtis leewa Republican and Independence running 442 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: for the mayor of New York. We thank you for 443 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,160 Speaker 1: being with us again on Bloomberg Radio. Oh my pleasure anytime. 444 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 1: Coming up, We assemble the panel to talk about not 445 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,880 Speaker 1: just the race in New York, but everything that we've 446 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 1: discussed so far this hour. Bloomberg Politics contributors Geanie she 447 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:56,239 Speaker 1: and Zano and Rick Davis are straight ahead as we 448 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: add one more log to the fire, Donald Trump suing 449 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: the social media giants Facebook, Twitter, Google. We'll find out 450 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: what's behind this. Take the pulse of our political team 451 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 1: next time. Joe Matthew, this is Bloomberg. You're listening to Bloomberg. 452 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 1: You sound on with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. Thanks 453 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: for making us part of your Wednesday. As we assemble, 454 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 1: the panel be joined shortly by Bloomberg Politics contributors Jeanie 455 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 1: She and Say No When Rick Davis, who are always 456 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: here to help us make sense of the madness. So 457 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: thank you for also being part of the program today. 458 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: As we read the headline at the terminal, Trump's revenge 459 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: lawsuit against social media giants explained. Indeed, he has filed 460 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 1: the lawsuit former president ump lawsuits against Facebook, Twitter, and 461 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: Google over their decisions to suspend or ban him from 462 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: using their platforms. He talked about it today, filing as 463 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:16,360 Speaker 1: the lead class representative a major class action lawsuit against 464 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 1: the big tech giants including Facebook, Google, and Twitter, as 465 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:26,919 Speaker 1: well as their CEO s Mark Zuckerberg, Sunder b j 466 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 1: and Jack Dorsey. Three real nice guys, real nice guys, 467 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: as he says, not always pronouncing their names. Genie she 468 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: In Zano and Rick Davis are with us. Great to 469 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 1: have you here. Guys, Rick, I'll start with you as 470 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 1: the Republican in this case. Is this lawsuit going anywhere? Well? 471 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: What's Discovery going to bring in? Do we know the 472 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: First Amendment? Yeah? I think that you got to almost 473 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 1: take a step back and say, you know what. When 474 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 1: we started this month, everyone was talking about lawsuits in 475 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,439 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, but it was the Southern District in New 476 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 1: York and the suit against the Trump organization. Uh. Now 477 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 1: we're talking about Trump's lawsuit, and I would not be 478 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 1: surprised that part of his calculation isn't a change the 479 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 1: narrative and to get everybody talking about him suing people 480 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: rather than him getting persecuted by the Southern District. So, Uh, 481 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 1: that being said, Uh, if you believe part of that, 482 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: then this is tactical not strategic. Right, It's not an 483 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,719 Speaker 1: actual campaign that he's gonna wage to bring down and 484 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 1: gain access to Facebook and Twitter. The Google thing I 485 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,360 Speaker 1: can't understand. I mean, they they don't have a horse 486 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 1: in this race when it comes to his social media. 487 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: But regardless, Um, you know, I think I think he's 488 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: playing politics here, taking advantage of the fact that public 489 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: sentiment is turning against big tech, and he's jumping right 490 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: in on it. It's easy politics for him, the right, Genie, 491 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: We've talked about that. It's actually kind of a one 492 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 1: of the few bipartisan issues out there. Conservatives say big 493 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: tech is ruining the country due to censworship, and of 494 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 1: course the left will say big tech is ruin the 495 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: country because they're too big to fail or something like that. Uh. 496 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: There there, they represent a monopoly. But we're talking about 497 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 1: Section two thirty Genie, and I'm still confused about where 498 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 1: these companies are violating the First Amendment. Well, you're confused 499 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 1: because the claim makes no sense. A private company cannot 500 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 1: violate the First Amendment. Only the federal government can. Let's 501 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 1: look at the First Amendment. Congress shall not the federal 502 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 1: government shall not violate your rights to free speech. So 503 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: the legal claim makes absolutely no sense that these are 504 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 1: in fact government entities, that these are government entities. It 505 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: will fall, but I think it's going to fall even 506 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 1: earlier than that, because let's not forget Donald Trump has 507 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 1: a history of filing lawsuits that go nowhere because he 508 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 1: realizes in the end, the downside for him is that 509 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: he's got to go into discovery to your earlier point, 510 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: and if that happened, which I think is a big 511 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: if those companies will ask him what he was doing 512 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 1: on injury six, was he inciting on an insurrection? All 513 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 1: kinds of questions he doesn't want to answer. I'm going 514 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: to take this step further than Rick. I think this 515 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 1: is about fundraising. He's fundraising on this. He's getting out there, yes, 516 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: playing politics, he's trying to raise money. But the lawsuits 517 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: themselves are frivolous and they won't go anywhere. Do either 518 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: of you believe that he will run for president again? Rick, 519 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: you know, I'm very skeptical of it. I think it's 520 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: another tactic on his part to remain relevant. You know, 521 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: he he holds that clever over the Republican Party and 522 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: all the candidates. But you see more and more other 523 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 1: candidates moving around talking to donors, talking to operatives in 524 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 1: the states, talking to state party chairs, and they don't 525 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 1: seem daunted by it. So I look at the marketplace 526 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 1: and say, you know, the market indicates that he's not 527 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 1: going to run. Do you think. Um? I don't think 528 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 1: he's going to run, but he thinks he's going to 529 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 1: be reinstated in August. So there's that another Friendolous, I'm 530 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 1: sorry I had choked on thinking about it. You choked 531 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: on something. Uh So, okay, Well, when this happens in August, 532 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 1: you're both gonna be on that day. But I'll have 533 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: to eat my words at that point, Joe. Is there 534 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: a point though? And and before we we turn to 535 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: another topic, I'd love to hear you both way in 536 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 1: does the does the former president have a point about 537 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: the services these big tech companies play in the public 538 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: space that it is in fact some sort of I 539 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 1: know they're private companies, they're publicly held, but is it 540 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 1: some sort of common area that we all are using. Rick, Sure, 541 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 1: it is, and and there's a history around media organizations, 542 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: which these are media organizations at their core. UM have 543 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 1: in the past laws governing broadcast television have a community 544 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 1: service requirement, right they they have to show that they 545 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 1: are doing what they can to UM broadcast what the 546 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 1: community services. But in that case, UM, you don't have 547 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 1: individual channels that every individual has who are required to 548 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: do that. So uh, I think, look, this is all 549 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 1: going to get vetted out, you know, Section two thirties 550 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 1: under assault on Capitol Hill. Republicans think it's a access 551 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 1: issue and conservatives aren't treated fairly. Democrats want more privacy. Uh, 552 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 1: these guys are gonna get pulled and tugged, as indicated 553 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: by the state attorney generals going after the UH today, 554 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 1: UM apple on it's UH on its UH app store. 555 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 1: So I think we're just seeing the beginning of a 556 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 1: very long period of debate around the proper role and 557 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: access of these organizations. Rick is right to point that 558 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 1: out Jennie, The timing here is is well important with 559 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 1: with antitrust efforts coming from both sides of Pennsylvania Avenue. 560 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 1: Is Donald Trump actually aware of that or his legal 561 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 1: team to coincide the filing of this lawsuit? And what 562 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 1: do you think about these companies and the rule they 563 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 1: play in the in the public space. I do think 564 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: that they are obviously we know they are under assault 565 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 1: from both sides and the states lawsuits passed filed today, um, 566 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,479 Speaker 1: those are critically important. And you know, I think the 567 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 1: Trump lawsuit itself the grounds at least what we understand 568 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 1: our frivolous. But I do think that there are there 569 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 1: is going to be an effort both by the States 570 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 1: but by the federal government at some point in the 571 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 1: near future to address these big tech companies we've seen, 572 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 1: we've all sat and watched as they've been hauled into 573 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 1: Congress to answer questions. That's coming down the pike. But 574 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 1: I don't think that has much to do with the 575 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 1: veracity of Trump's lawsuit here as it pertains to him 576 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 1: being kicked off these sites, because of course, he was 577 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 1: kicked off for inciting violence, not because he was conservative, 578 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 1: and it's not a first amendum issue. What's with Google? 579 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 1: By the way, Rick mentioned that he can't pronounce the 580 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 1: CEO's name obviously as we just heard, and I mean 581 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 1: they don't have a social media platform or does the 582 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 1: lawsuits suggest that? So how conservatives or the Trump organization 583 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 1: are not being ranked in search results from I just 584 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 1: going down the wrong road here my understanding that was 585 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 1: focused on YouTube, if I have that correct. I made 586 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 1: that that wrong, but that's my understanding. And um, you're 587 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: absolutely right. It's not a Facebook or a Twitter, but 588 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 1: it's big and he's going to go after all of them, 589 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,799 Speaker 1: whether he can say their names or not. Yeah, as 590 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 1: we spend time with Genie she and Zano and Rick 591 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 1: Davis Bloomberg Politics contributors, we just spoke before you joined 592 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 1: us with Curtis Leewa, who will be running as a 593 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,359 Speaker 1: Republican and independent as he told us in the race 594 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,399 Speaker 1: for mayor of New York. I don't know how long 595 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,319 Speaker 1: this conversation needs to be, but I'd love for you 596 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:42,440 Speaker 1: both to weigh in. It's it's considered common knowledge, uh 597 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 1: that this is going to be a very difficult live 598 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,920 Speaker 1: for Curtis Lee with it. Eric Adams is the presumptive mayor, 599 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 1: if I can even use that term, Rick, Uh, Is 600 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 1: this a single issue race with Curtis Lee on crime? Well, 601 00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:58,880 Speaker 1: it is for Curtis. I mean, he's made that the 602 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 1: reason for running and that's really been his entire uh 603 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 1: image through the Guardian Angels. Even a race whatnot. So 604 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,840 Speaker 1: it's not a race. Unlike Mike Bloomberg running the first 605 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 1: time as mayor as a Republican right after nine eleven. 606 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 1: This is a different time, this is a different party. 607 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 1: Curtis Sleewood doesn't have the registrations in the City of 608 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 1: New York to even compete. So I think you're right. 609 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 1: I think practically speaking, Uh, Eric Adams is a presumptive 610 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 1: mayor and and probably will conduct his campaign as such, 611 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 1: probably won't engage much with Curtis and uh, And I 612 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:40,799 Speaker 1: think from this point out, you know, we'll be more 613 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,360 Speaker 1: thinking about what to do as mayor than what to 614 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 1: do as candidate. Yeah, we should know. Michael Bloomberg is 615 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 1: the founder of majority owner of Bloomberg Radio parent Bloomberg LP. Jeanie, 616 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 1: We've talked about this race plenty of times. You know, 617 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 1: New York It's home. Is there a race, There's not 618 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:57,839 Speaker 1: much of a race. I mean, you just look at 619 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 1: the numbers seven to one Democratic. But I would say 620 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 1: I think it's really important to think about this issue 621 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 1: of crime. Adams won running as the law and order 622 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,400 Speaker 1: or he's the presumptive nominee. He's certainly the Democratic nominee 623 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 1: running as a law and order candidate. You've got Curtis Leewa, 624 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 1: obviously the founder of the Guardian Angels. You have you know, 625 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,800 Speaker 1: the governor of the state declaring a gun emergency yesterday, 626 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 1: the first one nationwide. And you had Joe Biden stepping 627 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,279 Speaker 1: off the tarmac in Illinois talking to the mayor of 628 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,279 Speaker 1: Chicago about the amount of crime in her city, which 629 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 1: was rampant over the weekend. It has been across the country. 630 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,440 Speaker 1: So it says to me, as we move into crime 631 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 1: is going to be a critical issues and Democrats have 632 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,760 Speaker 1: to be very very careful. Not in New York. Adams 633 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,960 Speaker 1: will certainly win, but they have to be very careful 634 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 1: about these calls that they have made, or some progressives 635 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,759 Speaker 1: have made, about defunding the police. We have less than 636 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,840 Speaker 1: a minute here, Rick, will that be the same on 637 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,359 Speaker 1: a national level dealing with crime? As you just heard 638 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,919 Speaker 1: Genie mentioned it. It was on the agenda for Joe 639 00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,400 Speaker 1: Biden today. Yeah, and I think a little bit it 640 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 1: was clean from his press secretary somehow indicating this week 641 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,080 Speaker 1: that Republicans were the ones trying to defund police. So 642 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,440 Speaker 1: I think the script got turned a little bit, but 643 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,279 Speaker 1: I think it will be a hot topic in the 644 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,680 Speaker 1: mid terms. Yeah. We'll be talking more about this with 645 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,280 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Politics contributors Jeanie she and Zano and Rick Davis. 646 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 1: Thanks as ever to both of you. We learned a 647 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,239 Speaker 1: lot today. What an hour. I'm gonna go home and 648 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,319 Speaker 1: think about it. We'll do this again tomorrow. Bloomberg Sound On. 649 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,560 Speaker 1: I'm Joe Matthew. This is Bloomberg