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Speaker 2: My axe made my son choose between me and my dog.

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Speaker 3: I think we know which one he chose.

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Speaker 2: I have a son from my first marriage that I

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Speaker 2: have fifty to fifty custody of. We alternate weeks. My

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Speaker 2: now wife used to work in another state and she

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Speaker 2: has two daughters. We dated long distance and I would

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Speaker 2: see her every other week when I traveled for work.

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Speaker 2: and we're here to give good advice. Goofy, but we

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Speaker 2: don't have all the answers. We only know what we'd do,

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Speaker 2: So let us know what you would do in the

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Speaker 2: comments and OPI says my son has met her and

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Speaker 2: her daughters many times, and we moved slowly. We only

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Speaker 2: married after the kids were okay with it. My wife

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Speaker 2: finally got a new job here three months ago and

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Speaker 2: we bought a house together in the same city my

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Speaker 2: son and I live in. Her kids are still adjusting

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Speaker 2: to the move and are not thrilled.

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Speaker 3: Like every movie, move be away from my friends.

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Speaker 2: It's like the Spiderwick Chronicles.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I love, Yes lady.

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Speaker 2: The problem now involves my ex, my son, and mulgal Raff,

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Speaker 2: my wife's six year old German shepherd.

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Speaker 3: Okay, cool cool.

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Speaker 2: My son has met this dog many times before with

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Speaker 2: no issues. However, after we bought the house and my

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Speaker 2: wife brought the dog here permanently, there has been a

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Speaker 2: whole disaster. Remember, my son has seen this dog many

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Speaker 2: times before with no issues, and there is no known

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Speaker 2: history of dog allergies. But now it seems he's having

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Speaker 2: a very mild reaction to the dog all of a sudden.

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Speaker 2: It's some redness around his eyes and sniffling, and an

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Speaker 2: aalogist has confirmed this. My ex has gone absolutely raise

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Speaker 2: eight more than usual and refuses to let my son

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Speaker 2: over unless the dog is removed. She can't legally do that.

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Speaker 2: You have fifty to fifty custodies. She can't. She can't

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Speaker 2: do that. As long as you're taking the proper, you know,

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Speaker 2: steps to get your kid on allergy shots or meds

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Speaker 2: or something. Then she can't do that legally.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I propose a new law. Do we know how

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Speaker 3: this kid is about? Um?

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Speaker 2: I don't know if they said it's okay, he's probably

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Speaker 2: like he seems younger. It seems like he's like, you know,

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Speaker 3: I'd say, perfect, Oh, this is perfect, perfect age. What

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Speaker 3: is the dog doing around the house? What is this

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Speaker 3: kid doing around the house? Yeah, who's because you can train.

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Speaker 3: I had a history teacher that trained their German shepherd

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Speaker 3: to do its laundry, like like separate its laundry for him. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: he's like, here's the whites, here's the Yeah, he did it.

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Speaker 3: So who is you know, helping out around the house more?

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Speaker 3: And then from there and they got one dog house

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Speaker 3: more kids in the.

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Speaker 2: Back, yeah, and then there's no issue.

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Speaker 3: And then that solves allergy thing or I don't know,

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Speaker 3: figure out a shot. Yeah, because they have they got

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Speaker 3: shots for this, right they do.

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Speaker 2: I took shots you did for what? For all allergies?

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Speaker 2: I have, like seasonal allergies?

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Speaker 3: I had white narrow the animal ones cat and bunny.

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Speaker 3: Did it work?

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Speaker 2: I was never around that much because I was allergic,

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Speaker 2: the cat allergies. I think it was more focused on bunnies. No,

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Speaker 2: I think the allergy shots were more so to help

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Speaker 4: And did they help. I was gonna say, because you

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Speaker 2: Not that much, but they did make like a slight difference.

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Speaker 2: I mean a severity of the allergy season would be less.

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Speaker 4: I remember, Yeah, I was gonna say, I remember growing up,

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Speaker 2: So dogs build up a tolerance, if you because I

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Speaker 2: over the years of having them, it's gotten a lot better.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's me wild with Carly's cat, Like the first

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Speaker 3: Also, the dog six everyone not sixteen.

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Speaker 2: She is also not approving the use of antihistamines if

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Speaker 2: the reaction is bothering him. I ended up spending forty

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Speaker 3: Okay, that kid looked out.

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Speaker 2: He's like, Oh, I need my own room. I need

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Speaker 3: I if you became forty thousand dollars on a bill, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I also bought several air purifiers, vacuumed and scrubbed everything

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Speaker 2: every single day when he's living here. It's exhausting. But

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Speaker 2: the moment he complains of a possible reaction, my ex

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Speaker 2: takes him back to her house, even though it's my

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Speaker 2: custody time. Then go to the courts, be like she

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Speaker 2: keeps taking them back is my day. Now it appears

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Speaker 2: of the dog. Oh no, you can see why this

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Speaker 2: is difficult for me. My wife and stepdaughters are completely

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Speaker 2: attached to their dog. My wife is beside herself and

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Speaker 2: is now saying she regrets buying the house together, but

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Speaker 2: we are stuck with house for a while because of

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Speaker 2: financial reasons. I really thought the separate living area was

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Speaker 2: a good compromise. Also sucks that you just spent forty

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Speaker 2: there the entire time he is. I'm just so sick

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Speaker 2: of my ex constantly trying to run my life, and

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Speaker 2: I refused, but my wife and stepdaughters through something as

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Speaker 2: traumatic as giving up their dog. My ex told me

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Speaker 2: yesterday I was putting the dog over my son's needs,

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Speaker 2: and it broke my heart. That's not what I'm doing,

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Speaker 2: and it's unliving me that he's hearing this from her.

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Speaker 2: Am I the a hole here.

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Speaker 3: My son's thirteen mm and he still isn't separating the laundry,

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Speaker 3: keep the dog, and I don't know how much longer

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Speaker 3: I'll be able to force him to come live with

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Speaker 3: me on my own time. Verdict is not the ale

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Speaker 3: and there are some relevant comments.

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Speaker 2: But what does Opie do.

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Speaker 3: It's a manipulation tactic from your ex Opie, she wants

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Speaker 2: Oh the dog, perfect excuse for her, I think someone Yeah,

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Speaker 2: duchess Cassanda says, take her to court for parental alienation.

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Speaker 2: She's literally refusing to bring him over on your custody,

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Speaker 2: you know, during your custody time. That's that's illegal.

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Speaker 3: And also whispering things, m oh, you want excuse the dog,

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Speaker 3: not you around. Looks like they like that dog better

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Speaker 3: than you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Crazy, They won't get rid of that dog, so you

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Speaker 2: Especially if it's only a minor reaction.

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Speaker 3: It's redness. It could be scary. I don't know what

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Speaker 3: it all is, but I.

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Speaker 2: Mean op said it was minor reaction. I've had these

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Speaker 2: minor reactions.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it depends on the reaction. I mean a thirteen

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Speaker 4: year old, I mean, you remember for being thirteen.

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Speaker 2: But the thing is, like I remember, we both have

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Speaker 4: If they're minor reactions, like eyes, but they still suck

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Speaker 4: like nobody wants.

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Speaker 2: But again its own place. Op's vacuuming daily. There's no

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Speaker 4: Op building that he already built it. Yeah, that basement

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Speaker 4: that already exists, that's super dupery clean dog zone basement.

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Speaker 3: The ex is just it's literally different. That's what I'm saying,

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Speaker 2: If this were just you know, all the thirteen year

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Speaker 2: old says, I don't want it, Like, I don't believe

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Speaker 2: that it's just coming from the thirteen year old. That

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Speaker 2: absolutely is the ex because, as you know, having been

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Speaker 2: a thirteen year old with allergies, would not react this way.

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Speaker 3: The dog can stay.

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Speaker 2: Guys, I honestly like begged my mom to get a

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Speaker 4: I said the same thing with a dog. I really

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Speaker 4: want a dog. That you realize what you're saying. I

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Speaker 3: God, yeah I want a dog. What my roommate can

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Speaker 3: take plates from the side of the road home. But

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Speaker 2: Well, and comments oldhead says, what in your custody agreement

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Speaker 2: makes it okay that your wife has refused to allow

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Speaker 2: take anti estamines or any other medication. What she seems

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Speaker 2: to forget is she's no longer your wife, and while

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Speaker 2: to the safety and well being of your child. Like oh,

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Speaker 2: I don't know putting on a forty thousand dollars edition

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Speaker 2: both parents' consent is required for medical decisions. My ex

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Speaker 2: son is now also starting to believe. Yeah, she's probably like,

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Speaker 2: you're gonna, you know, go crazy if you start taking

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Speaker 2: anti estamines after the revolution, says not the a hole.

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Speaker 2: I think it seems like his allergy is pretty mild

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Speaker 2: and you've gone above and beyond to accommodate it. He's thirteen,

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Speaker 2: not a little kid. He can take medicine if all

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Speaker 2: he gets are the sniffles. It's not really fair for

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Speaker 2: your wife to have to get rid of her dog

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Speaker 2: for some sneezes. However, if his allergy is more serious

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Speaker 2: than you're letting on. It's more of a problem. Regardless,

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Speaker 2: your ex is being in a real a hole. She

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Speaker 2: should not be interfering in this so heavily, and she

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Speaker 2: should not be doing so by playing up the issue

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Speaker 2: to your son and making him upset with you over it.

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Speaker 2: Have you sat your son down and talked to him

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Speaker 2: about it? One on one Op says, it is a

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Speaker 2: mild allergy, for sure, that's even how the allergies put it.

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Speaker 2: But my ex has been convincing my son it's worse

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Speaker 2: than it actually is, and they are both overreacting, dying, dying,

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Speaker 2: passing away.

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Speaker 4: Once he's like I think I'm dying.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, He's like, Dad, I can't come over anymore because

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Speaker 2: I'm about to pass away.

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Speaker 4: Dad, That's all I got. I can't breathe anymore.

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Speaker 3: Dude. The thing that sucks is it's working for her now.

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Speaker 3: But whenever the thirteen year old boy becomes a man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he realizes, Oh, my allergies are not that bad.

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Speaker 3: Will he realize that though? That's what I'm afraid.

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Speaker 4: Not that bad. I did that. I was like, I'm

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Speaker 4: Op was like, I clean up the house. I didn't

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Speaker 2: Nine months later they put a dog in the streets.

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Speaker 2: Also, just like the fact that your wife has to

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Speaker 4: Why is the mom that the X in this case,

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Speaker 2: Well, I think she probably you know, she's probably got

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Speaker 4: But I would go to the doctor and it seems

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Speaker 4: I would be like, hey, hey, Sonny, do you hear

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Speaker 3: But mom says, I can't have a dog and I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that she willingly gave up the dog for her husband.

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Speaker 3: Really, if it was going to that point where the

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Speaker 2: Like if someone like if I had Ava and someone's like,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, what if the boy? What if the boy was like,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but just just because you've made a commitment to

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Speaker 2: My stepdaughters were devastated, but very understanding. My son resumed

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Speaker 3: Yeah. It made me suck. Yeah, made me move here.

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Speaker 2: You called it. I literally go to the courts. I

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Speaker 4: That's the cherry on top.

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Speaker 1: I knew.

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Speaker 2: My son is now freely taking antiestamines without any complaints,

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Speaker 3: Also, this is a beautiful plan by the ex Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Exactly? You make everyone hate him and have everyone employment

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Speaker 3: Exactly, this is it was.

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Speaker 4: It was a lose lose situation for your son's a

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Speaker 2: This is exactly what she wants. My wife is incredibly

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Speaker 3: Course, because she won't be able to control the narrative.

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Speaker 4: Oh you say, I hate to say this, Opie, that's

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Speaker 2: That's your op man.

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Speaker 3: Because she's playing mind games, she's doing all these things. Dude.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think you have a conversation with

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Speaker 3: I don't even know what you could do to have

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Speaker 2: If she says, oh, you can't do that, I'm taking custody,

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Speaker 2: then you go back to court.

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Speaker 3: Go back to court. Yeah, I like, I'm kind of conflicted,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I think that you have to start

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Speaker 3: See his dad.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Again, it's like again, it's another lose lose situation

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Speaker 4: because the son's already picking my mom's side. Whenever Andy,

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Speaker 4: they don't like you over there. You tell me how

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Speaker 3: Okay, but here's the thing, here's the thing. Okay, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: We can come back from this, though. We just have

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Speaker 2: Get that dog back.

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Speaker 3: But we have to think like the mom thinks, and

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Speaker 3: somehow flip it. You know, we can get the courts

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Speaker 3: You gotta play petty now.

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Speaker 2: Somehow she's played Petty's.

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Speaker 3: I'd be thinking this in this scenario.

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Speaker 2: Relevant comments Polite Cranberry says, yeah, this kid needs therapy.

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Speaker 2: Family therapy may be good for the half that can

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Speaker 2: So this is making me have all kinds of feels.

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Speaker 2: He is devious in pain, and I'm concerned mom might

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's one hundred percent the reason.

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Speaker 3: That's our thing. We get him in therapy. We don't

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Speaker 3: But he was son hanging out, entering, Hey, my friend, Hey,

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Speaker 3: you want to go to a baseball game?

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Speaker 2: And then we have and we're gonna talk to Mandy.

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Speaker 3: Mandy, Mandy's gonna join him.

438
00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:11,320
Speaker 2: Mandy's my friend that.

439
00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:12,840
Speaker 4: It is not baseball season anymore.

440
00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,800
Speaker 3: Or Gregory, Gregory's there, Oh yeah, right, we're gonna watch

441
00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:17,200
Speaker 3: basketball and you just.

442
00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:19,200
Speaker 2: Have the game on and they're like, hey, how do

443
00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:20,040
Speaker 2: you feel about your mom?

444
00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:20,320
Speaker 3: Kid?

445
00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:22,639
Speaker 4: That'd be really funny.

446
00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:25,760
Speaker 3: Actually, just like I think we might need to do this.

447
00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,680
Speaker 2: Brilliant, This person continues. She knew if he asked, the

448
00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,479
Speaker 2: choice would be more difficult. My son leaving early anytime

449
00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:34,560
Speaker 2: he had discomfort. He knows you don't want him to leave,

450
00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:38,240
Speaker 2: so you'll avoid making him uncomfortable, which basically trains you

451
00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:40,560
Speaker 2: to be a doormat. Have you spoken directly with your

452
00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:43,240
Speaker 2: son about this? He needs to understand the gravity of

453
00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:46,280
Speaker 2: what his actions have caused, so please don't minimize you

454
00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:48,840
Speaker 2: and your family's feelings about this while speaking with him.

455
00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:52,600
Speaker 2: He needs to understand the consequences of his actions, and

456
00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,680
Speaker 2: if he can't, won't doesn't care. I'll just hope extra

457
00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:57,919
Speaker 2: hard that the custody stuff works out so you can

458
00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,440
Speaker 2: put him in therapy. Ope, he says. I have talked

459
00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,880
Speaker 2: to him many times, and he knows how much it's

460
00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:05,840
Speaker 2: unlive by wife and stepdaughters to let the dog go.

461
00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:09,560
Speaker 2: I'm so disappointed with how remorseless he is. And I

462
00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,280
Speaker 2: have no idea how I can bring this family together again.

463
00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:15,640
Speaker 2: I know my axe is definitely manipulating him, but surely

464
00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:19,040
Speaker 2: he should have some empathy for himself and deleted says,

465
00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:21,399
Speaker 2: and I have no idea how I can bring this

466
00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,320
Speaker 2: family together again. You don't, and you seek therapy to

467
00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,080
Speaker 2: accept that your inability to do that is not your fault.

468
00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,199
Speaker 2: It is your wife's and to a lesser extent, your son's.

469
00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:32,760
Speaker 2: He's old enough to have a say in his actions.

470
00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,960
Speaker 2: Do not do the wrong things because you're chasing after

471
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,560
Speaker 2: some hopeless dream of a fairy tale of reunion and

472
00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,600
Speaker 2: the family getting back together. Do right by your daughters.

473
00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,880
Speaker 2: Do write by your son by making him face consequences

474
00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:48,360
Speaker 2: for his truly heinous actions if he's mad at you, Well,

475
00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,280
Speaker 2: sometimes that's part of being a good parent.

476
00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,400
Speaker 3: Op says, Wait, sorry, real quick, can some people put

477
00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,440
Speaker 3: your opinions on? Like, what kind of consequences would go good? Here?

478
00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,000
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, because this commoner also said that.

479
00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:03,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, allergy therapy, therapy, eat this peanut.

480
00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:07,440
Speaker 4: Here's here's a German shepherd here every time.

481
00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,600
Speaker 2: You see him, op He says, I'm not sure what

482
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,560
Speaker 2: kind of consequences I can even give. His own mother

483
00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,280
Speaker 2: is apparently orchestrating all of this. He's not a badly

484
00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,520
Speaker 2: bathed kid. It was just this one thing, but the

485
00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,760
Speaker 2: one thing turned out to be a huge deal. I

486
00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:21,920
Speaker 2: don't know. I feel like I can't do anything right.

487
00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,960
Speaker 2: Anti Brad says, yes to therapy. F what's your ex things?

488
00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,840
Speaker 2: Y'all need it? Opie says, I can't take him to

489
00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:30,400
Speaker 2: therapy without my ex signing off on it too. The

490
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,000
Speaker 2: therapist's office has this rule.

491
00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:36,000
Speaker 3: Okay, then what sports he into? Hey, I just got

492
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:37,439
Speaker 3: you a basketball trainer.

493
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:39,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, just gonna ask you some questions.

494
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:41,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, just just talk to him with you.

495
00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,200
Speaker 2: Through I think people are being a bit too harsh

496
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,040
Speaker 2: on my son. I don't believe he intentionally set out

497
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,919
Speaker 2: to get the dog removed and purposely do the complete

498
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,159
Speaker 2: opposite later. With a mother like my ex, I can

499
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 2: see why he got so upset about the allergies. I

500
00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:56,960
Speaker 2: only wish he'd tried to at least make his feelings

501
00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,439
Speaker 2: known and take the medication, or tried to be his

502
00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 2: own person. And when his mother was pulling the strings.

503
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:05,400
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Op, your son's thirteen fourteen. I don't know.

504
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,160
Speaker 2: I mean, it's really hard when you have a parent

505
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,159
Speaker 2: who's incredibly manipulative.

506
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,680
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, dude, at that age. Yeah, after I've been

507
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,720
Speaker 3: watching a lot of you know, Game of Thrones, and

508
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,399
Speaker 3: everyone's just been manipulating everybody else.

509
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 4: That's the Game of Thrones.

510
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 3: That's the name of the game. And I think of

511
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,679
Speaker 3: the game low key. If you watch that series, you

512
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 3: could probably get some ideas and learn how to combat this.

513
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have some pretty nasty kids in that show.

514
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 3: You do, but you just you take the brutality of

515
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,639
Speaker 3: it down like one hundredfold and then choose one of

516
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 3: those options.

517
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 2: And now I want him to at least apologize for

518
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 2: what he put my wife and my stepdaughters through. But

519
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 2: he's in this mentality that he did what his parents,

520
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 2: namely his mom, wanted him to do. He's always been

521
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 2: sweet and kind, so seeing this behavior is really jarring.

522
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,920
Speaker 2: And I can't exactly not see my son or limit

523
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 2: my time with him. That would just increase my ex's

524
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 2: influence on him. And there is an update, folks, Let's

525
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 2: get in to it, because I have no other ideas

526
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 2: for this guy. Update two, two months after the last post.

527
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 2: Long story short, we ended up giving away my wife's

528
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,680
Speaker 2: family dog because my son developed a mild allergy. After

529
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 2: we had already bought a house and moved in together.

530
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 2: My ex refused to let my son take anti estamines

531
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,719
Speaker 2: and go to him into making an ultimatum him or

532
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 2: the dog. Also, I'm confused why she got to say no,

533
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 2: he can't take antistamines, but didn't consult you about it,

534
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 2: because according to that rule, you should have been consulted

535
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 2: about any sort of medical change here, you know.

536
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 4: Very weird. And then again, since they got the dog

537
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,639
Speaker 4: for the ex wife, now she's letting him take antihistamines.

538
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:41,400
Speaker 3: She's playing a game.

539
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,400
Speaker 4: She's it's playing a game, and I don't. I don't

540
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 4: understand how the sun if at that point, it's like,

541
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 4: wouldn't scratches hit like this is.

542
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:49,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's weird that they had to get rid of

543
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 2: the dog. But then we got a dog. We made

544
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 2: the decision to give the dog away because we didn't

545
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 2: want him to feel like we were picking a dog

546
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 2: over his health. My wife and stepdaughters were devastated well

547
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 2: lastri dismiths. We were shocked to find out that my

548
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 2: ex got a dog and started my son on antistamines.

549
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 2: We felt completely betrayed, especially my wife and stepdaughters. My

550
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 2: stepdaughters were extremely upset with my son and we had

551
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,920
Speaker 2: to keep them separated to avoid further conflict. I then

552
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 2: decided to be stupid and petty and started legal proceedings

553
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 2: to gain full custody based on my ex buying a dog.

554
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 2: I don't think that's stupid or petty. You have clear

555
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 2: evidence that your ex is colluding against you, know, working

556
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 2: against you.

557
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,199
Speaker 3: I think he feels this way because his wife probably

558
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 3: doesn't have his back. Yeah, and his ex wife is

559
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 3: definitely giving him a g double hockey sticks about it.

560
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 3: That's why it feels like, ah, this is stupid. But

561
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 3: I think you need it. You gotta stay firm on it,

562
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:44,360
Speaker 3: stay on business, my dude. Yeah.

563
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 4: A lot of people are saying, why doesn't the sun

564
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 4: go to a school counselor? Again, I think.

565
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 2: Probably the same reason mom would say no.

566
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 4: He probably brings it up to mom's like Mom, should

567
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 4: I go see a school Counselor's like, no, don't do that.

568
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 2: I said, I didn't want my son on toxic medication

569
00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 2: like she did, but honestly, I just wanted revenge. In response,

570
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 2: my ex also gave her dog away. Oh I see,

571
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 2: So I thought Ope was saying that he wanted to

572
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 2: go and get custody, but it seems like he just

573
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 2: wanted to do what his ex did. That is kind

574
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 2: of petty. A month ago, my son moved out of

575
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 2: my ex's house to my parents' house. He said he

576
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 2: wasn't going to live with either my ex or me.

577
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 2: I went over really pissed because I thought this was

578
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 2: him playing into my ex's schemes. Oh, pe wait, I

579
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 2: honestly think you're the a hole for that last move.

580
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 2: I think all this this whole time you've been in

581
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 2: the clear, and then and then to to pettily be

582
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 2: like well, if you can't have a dog of you,

583
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 2: or you can't have a dog over.

584
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:42,120
Speaker 3: There, Yeah, well that's the only that's the only card

585
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 3: he could play whenever he had other cards.

586
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 2: Instead, I sat and watched him cry and say that

587
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 2: now everyone at both houses hates him and that he's

588
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,159
Speaker 2: being bullied. I realized I had done exactly what I

589
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 2: was accusing my ex of using my son as a

590
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 2: pawn in our conflict.

591
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 3: Yikes, plotting him against everyone. He is a pun of

592
00:25:59,240 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 3: this scenario.

593
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he's totally upon is. His mom is

594
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 2: using him because she hates Ope and wants to get

595
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 2: back at him. And then you were totally in the

596
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 2: clear until you took away his other dog.

597
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 4: Damn. It sucks for the sun. It sucks for the dogs.

598
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,479
Speaker 4: Two dogs of now dog. I know something said two

599
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 4: dogs have been traumatized having a home and then not

600
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 4: having home anymore. Yeah, this all sucks. No one is

601
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 4: won here, No one's winning.

602
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 3: And the step daughters are just on the sideline watching

603
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 3: it all happen.

604
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 2: What I'd interpreted as him being remorseless was actually him

605
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 2: putting the walls up because he was feeling attacked. I'm

606
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 2: so ashamed of myself. My dad told me he was

607
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,479
Speaker 2: very disappointed in my actions last week. I sat in

608
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 2: my car and wept. I'm disappointed in myself too. I

609
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 2: created a mediation appointment with my ex and she actually participated.

610
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 2: She also seemed to be full of regret. We came

611
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 2: to an agreement to stop messing up our son's happiness

612
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 2: just because we were acting like AOL's that. I'm not

613
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,880
Speaker 2: sure if we can salvage the situation with our ex.

614
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,199
Speaker 2: He's caught both my ex and me off completely, and

615
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 2: I can't even blame him. I just had to get

616
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 2: this out. I haven't been able to sleep for a

617
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 2: while now. I tried calling my son today. He actually

618
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 2: answered this time and told me he hated me. To

619
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 2: hear your child say he hates you and actually meet

620
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 2: it is the worst feeling in the world.

621
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,199
Speaker 3: I will say, in the scenario, you've got to have

622
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 3: thick skin. Yeah's to say the darnedice things, and you

623
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:25,360
Speaker 3: have to keep.

624
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:26,919
Speaker 2: Showing him that you're there for him, because right now

625
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 2: does he thinks that his family hates him.

626
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 3: You have to have unconditional love as parents. Yeah, that

627
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 3: is what I am learning as me.

628
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I think yeah, you were clearly miss I

629
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,640
Speaker 2: don't know, you just didn't realize what was what your

630
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,880
Speaker 2: son was going through, and obviously you tried to talk

631
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 2: to him, and I think that you were in the

632
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 2: clear until you, you know, pettily took away the dog

633
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 2: and now it's just you know, as options. Yeah's see

634
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 2: if you can fix this he needed?

635
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 3: Like why of the mediation appointment not come earlier?

636
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 2: I think that I think.

637
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 3: That they didn't.

638
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 2: Both parents couldn't see what was going on with their

639
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 2: son until it came to this point. I think that

640
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 2: they both realized, oh we went too far.

641
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get that, but I just if that happened

642
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,239
Speaker 3: a step too earlier, it would have my boy. Is

643
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 3: there perhaps an update or anything on this story? We

644
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 3: get a lot of comments of people being like, it

645
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 3: just Cliffhangles stood it up. We get Cliff Dangle all

646
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 3: the time. Yeah, we can't help it. We're not one's

647
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 3: writing the story fault.

648
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 4: Yeah exactly.

649
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 3: If we were NonStop and didn't have to sleep, we

650
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 3: would write the stories. But that's not the case, and

651
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 3: I would finish all of them. No way.

652
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 4: That account is banned.

653
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I got it got deleted. I forgot about that.

654
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 4: Oh, yep, I can't.

655
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Speaker 2: I can't, Smet says OPI reacted once Mom did numerous

656
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,239
Speaker 2: bad decisions that the son went with. I'm confused as

657
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 2: to why both are being treated the same now when

658
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 2: OPI tried for so long, I'm not treating the same.

659
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 2: I think the ex wife slash Mom of the Sun

660
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 2: is totally, like clearly in the wrong. But I think

661
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 2: that Op's mistake is that I said, I mean for

662
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 2: the whole time he was making he was trying his best,

663
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 2: and then to the X's level just despite her. I

664
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 2: think that's where that's where he went too far.

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00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, your character, yo, you gotta be the bigger man. Yeah,

666
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 3: when waiting waters like.

667
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 4: This, he played the game he played, he stooped to

668
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 4: the X's level.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like in this scenario, if I were in it,

670
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 3: Ex's playing checkers, I gotta play chess. How can I

671
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 3: do that? In a very kind way, It's.

672
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Speaker 2: Very tricky and not using the sun as a pawn.

673
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 3: I would have to use them as a spawn, but

674
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 3: he would be turning into a room.

675
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 4: What it does suck and I can get it. From

676
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 4: OPI's perspective, he tried so many times to talk to

677
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 4: the sun, but the sun never really wanted to talk, like,

678
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 4: that's not yet. You can only try.

679
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 3: I would have stopped this on in this tracks, like, dude,

680
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 3: let's talk this out. Let's really get this all out.

681
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 4: I feel like he tried. I feel like he tried.

682
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 4: He did say it multiple times in the post, saying

683
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 4: I tried to talk to him so many times.

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00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would try harder.

685
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 4: How would you try harder if you know the person

686
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 4: that you wanted to talk to about the situation.

687
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 3: Age of now five, my son and I will start

688
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 3: playing with a so called orange ball and try to

689
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 3: get it into a basket. At the age of six.

690
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 3: He will love this game and we will bond over

691
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 3: it for the next six years until he turns twelve.

692
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Speaker 3: At the age of thirteen, this happens, what are we

693
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 3: gonna do. We're gonna have a basketball game.

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Speaker 2: You say, hey, kid, what's up? I got Greg here?

695
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 2: Talk to him Greg. Sorry, you get to talk to him.

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00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 3: Yep, yep. And we're gonna play the first game not

697
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 3: saying anything, just want game, a knockout. And then second

698
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 3: game we get our feeling's out and we play horse

699
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Speaker 3: boom easy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can gain a letter back every time you

701
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Speaker 2: share an emotion.

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Speaker 4: I was gonna say, I don't think Opie is a

703
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 4: time machine to go back in time and do that.

704
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Speaker 3: Well, wait, I think from you build the foundation early

705
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Speaker 3: on everyone.

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00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think from now on, you just have to

707
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 2: keep showing up for your son, even though he's saying

708
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Speaker 2: I hate you, I don't want to see you.

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Speaker 3: Hey, you missed one hundred percent of the shots.

710
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Speaker 4: You don't say, Yeah, I agree on that with Sophia.

711
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 4: Don't don't abandon him, you know.

712
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 2: Even though exactly what he thinks that you're going to do,

713
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 2: so don't prove them right. Yeah, but we've got another story, folks,

714
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Speaker 2: and we're gonna get right into that.

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Speaker 1: Hey, it's John here, og, host of the show. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna get back to these juicy stories. But here's a

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Speaker 3: My husband excluded our daughter on their boys trip, but

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Speaker 3: I want to go. I forty three female have triplets, Mark,

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Speaker 3: Liam and Abby fourteen with my husband Josh forty five mil.

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Speaker 3: Last Friday, Josh decided to bring Mark and Liam on

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Speaker 3: a spontaneous trip to six Flags or a step already.

723
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Speaker 2: Messed up, already messed up.

724
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Speaker 3: I don't like a music park, so I wasn't bothered

725
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 3: by not being invited. Abby asked to go as well,

726
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 3: but Mark and Liam said it was a boy's trip

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00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 3: and that she would ruin the vibe. Abby was upset

728
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Speaker 3: because she felt left out, and I felt bad for her,

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Speaker 3: so I decided we'd have a day out. By the way,

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Speaker 3: I'm Riley, I'm Sophia, I'm Keon, and we're here to

733
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Speaker 3: give you good advice. Goillfully, but we don't have all

734
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,719
Speaker 3: the answers. We only know what we do know. So

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Speaker 3: let us know what you know and the comments down below.

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Speaker 3: Opie sets. On Saturday, we went to cake cheese manufacturer,

737
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 3: our favorite restaurant, a local spa, and I let her

738
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 3: have a mini shopping spree at the mall that only

739
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 3: came out to be one hundred and fifty bucks. Heck, yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's a win for me. I pade for it all

741
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 3: since I got a hefty bonus and didn't know what else.

742
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 3: Suspended On felt better after that, and we even had

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Speaker 3: a heartfelt mother daughter moment at a bear completion where

744
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 3: we made each other bears. We also had brunch on Sunday,

745
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 3: although it wasn't very costly. Boys came home last Sunday

746
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 3: and Abby was excited to tell Josh all about what

747
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 3: we did over the weekend. The dad, he got mad

748
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 3: and confronted me about it, saying I shouldn't have done that.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry. What loser says?

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Speaker 3: What you can have a spontaneous strip, wife can't have

751
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 3: spontaneous trip.

752
00:32:58,280 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 2: That's ridiculous.

753
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 3: His wife got bonus out of her own pocket.

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00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 2: There's just boys night. You couldn't do anything during boys weekend?

755
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 3: Okay. Sounded like a good old fashioned convo before any

756
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Speaker 3: of this, We fixed it.

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Speaker 2: Why are we gendering the things that I would understand

758
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Speaker 2: if you had, Like my dad and Sam will go

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Speaker 2: on trips together, and you know that's kind of like

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Speaker 2: they have like their boys time, me and my but

761
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 2: also my dad and I will do stuff together as well.

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Speaker 2: And also Sam's older than me, so there is a

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Speaker 2: different relationship there. I don't understand why this trip had

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Speaker 2: to be excluding Abby when they're all the same age.

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Speaker 3: And they're going to six Flags. It's not even like

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Speaker 3: a hunting trip a fishing trip.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's not like the two boys were super into

768
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Speaker 2: hunting and Abby's like I hate hunting, yeah, or like

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Speaker 2: it doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's I don't think a trip.

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Speaker 2: Should be gendered. It should be like I'm interested in this,

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Speaker 2: these kids are interested in this, and this one's not.

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Speaker 3: Well, okay, I disagree with you there. Well, I do

774
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Speaker 3: think that some trips should be gendered because I feel

775
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 3: like having the brotherhood of men together or like the

776
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 3: sisterhood of women together, builds this like kind of bond.

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Speaker 3: Not saying like if you're going to six Flags, everyone

778
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 3: can go to six Flags, but if I'm going out

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Speaker 3: with the boys, we're gonna lie.

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Speaker 4: Go eat Oh you can eat sushi.

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00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 3: Oh you can eat sushi.

782
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 2: Well, why can't your daughter go to that?

783
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,720
Speaker 3: I need boy time for that. And I would explain,

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00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 3: But here's the messed up I don't agree with that.

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Speaker 3: Here's a messed up part. He didn't explain it to her.

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Speaker 2: Like, even if my dad explained that, I'd be like,

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Speaker 2: that's messed up. Why can't I come?

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Speaker 3: Okay?

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Speaker 2: I would be as a child, I would be incredibly

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Speaker 2: hurt if my father was like, I'm taking these two

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Speaker 2: other kids that are your age, your siblings, and you

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Speaker 2: can't come because you're a girl.

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Speaker 3: So my dad would take me to play basketball, we

794
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Speaker 3: leave our brothers at home.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because you're older.

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Speaker 4: Well I think, yeah, I think that. Because it's an

797
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Speaker 4: amusement park.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's where I don't I don't like that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I totally understand what you have individual time. I

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Speaker 4: understand what you're both saying. But the fact that they

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Speaker 4: went to an amusement park and never brought it up

802
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Speaker 4: like we're going ye know, that's messed that's messed up.

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Speaker 3: I don't like that. But they were to go on,

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Speaker 3: like U say, they both like basketball, they went on

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Speaker 3: a basketball trip spontaneously boom. That's where it would happen.

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Speaker 3: And I would explain that to the daughter.

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Speaker 2: I think if if daughter didn't like basketball, I'd be like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: that makes sense. I would did.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would be like I would have a conversation

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Speaker 4: with my kids because they're they're they're triplets. I'd be like, hey, boys,

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Speaker 4: if the boys like a baseball game and Abby doesn't

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00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 4: like a baseball game, great, yeah, like Abby, we can

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Speaker 4: do something, but you don't.

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Speaker 3: But you don't agree on gender trips at all.

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Speaker 2: No, not with your kids when they're the same age.

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00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 2: I agree with age trips like when you have different ages,

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Speaker 2: and I agree that you can want to spend one

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Speaker 2: on one time with your kids.

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Speaker 3: Okay, very cool. That's Sofia's opinion and everyone I have

820
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Speaker 3: a different opinion than Sophia, and we're going to continue

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Speaker 3: this story having different opinions.

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Speaker 4: And I'm neutral.

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Speaker 3: There we go. That's not a boy. I asked why

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Speaker 3: because he refused to let Abby go in the first place,

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Speaker 3: and he said it was a boys trip and that

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Speaker 3: I shouldn't get her use to special treatment for not

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Speaker 3: being involved in anything. Hate that dude, Hate that totally

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Speaker 3: missing the balls.

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Speaker 2: He feels very very gendered.

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Speaker 3: He's like, she's a.

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Speaker 2: Girls and I also don't want her to get anything.

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Speaker 3: Ever. I asked why it bothered him so much, since

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Speaker 3: I know he'd do it for her sons, but he

834
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Speaker 3: won't tell me why it bothers him so.

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Speaker 2: Much because he's being sexist.

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Speaker 3: He ended up even trying to take her bare, but

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't let him. He's being cold to me and

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Speaker 3: Abby now and I'm gonna lost am I the Yale Hill,

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Speaker 3: No got her husband's al Yeah, we're going to our

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Speaker 3: middle person figuring this out asap.

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Speaker 2: Well, what I want to know is, does your husband

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Speaker 2: hang out with Abby one on one? Does he make

843
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 2: time specifically for her? Because if he doesn't, if he's

844
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 2: always doing boys trips and he never actually makes time

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Speaker 2: for Abby.

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Speaker 3: I have an answer for that.

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Speaker 2: Perfect.

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Speaker 3: Has Opie's husband acted like this before? Opie says he's

849
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 3: he's never acted this way before, which is really confusing me.

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00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 2: Doesn't actually answer my question.

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00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 3: Well, he's never like took the boys out on trips before,

852
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 3: I think, but we don't. We don't know what the

853
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 3: day to day relationship between Ohah the dad and Abby is.

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00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 2: I would love more information about that.

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00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 3: Commoner one says this is an alarming behavior. To be honest,

856
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 3: If they're allowed boys strips, why of the girls not

857
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 3: allowed girls' strips? Unless he can give a better explanation,

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00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,320
Speaker 3: the only reason he's against this is because he wanted

859
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 3: her to feel excluded. Why does he insist his daughter

860
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 3: to feel excluded? Does he hate her or something? Is

861
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 3: this the first time he's treated her last than when

862
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 3: it comes to all the kids. Ope, he says he's

863
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 3: refused to explain why and just says that it's not

864
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 3: right and won't explain further. I don't know if he

865
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 3: hates her, but I'm wondering now, I'm wondering why he

866
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 3: would treat her this way. There have been times before

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00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 3: where he'd get to take the boys somewhere extravagant and

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00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,399
Speaker 3: take Abby somewhere else less exciting after, like taking her

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Speaker 3: son's camping for the weekend and taking Abby to Denny's

870
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Speaker 3: to take it up. No, we're taking Abby to tea

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00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 3: time and we're all dressing up as princesses. That's what

872
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 3: we're doing afterwards.

873
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what we're doing. You better make it up

874
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 2: to her.

875
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,439
Speaker 3: If dude, if I was in this situation, I get

876
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,240
Speaker 3: the camping strip, but I'm going all out even more

877
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 3: for Abby. Because I took two kids to a camping trip,

878
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to double that and give it to her.

879
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 2: I think you need to spend time with each child,

880
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 2: with the things that they like to do.

881
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 4: I love the fact that he's like, yeah, that equals

882
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 4: out right, I'll take you. I'll take the boys on

883
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 4: the camping trip and then honeymoon. I'm going to take

884
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 4: you to like just a breakfast chain that's up and

885
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 4: get you like a waffle.

886
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 2: I think if the two little boys were like, I

887
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 2: want to go camping, and I was like, I don't

888
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 2: want to go camping, and then the dad took the

889
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 2: boys camping, I think, and Abby like, I don't think

890
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 2: you should take Abby with you. If she's like I

891
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 2: don't want to go camping, but you should then focus

892
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:49,720
Speaker 2: on her and give her.

893
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:53,879
Speaker 4: Like a little simple, simple resolution. You just ask her, honey,

894
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 4: what do you want to do?

895
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 3: Exactly? So back to the Dennis thing. But she always

896
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 3: seemed to appreciate it, so I thought but thought into it.

897
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 3: Now I'm wondering if she was an afterthought to him.

898
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 2: Seems like it.

899
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 3: Another commenter says his refusal to explain is an explanation.

900
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 3: He wants her to feel like a second class citizen.

901
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 3: You know that you also were not invited, but it

902
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 3: didn't bother you because it was conveniently something you're not into.

903
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 3: Are you also treated as a second class citizen but

904
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 3: it's just conveniently happens to be things you're not interested in.

905
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 3: Does he treat you to a lesser experience as a

906
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 3: way of making up for the times you're excluded. I'm

907
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 3: wondering if it's a he hates his daughter thing, or

908
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 3: if it's a sexism thing. He says, I've never felt

909
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 3: like I was being treated like a second class citizen

910
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,720
Speaker 3: by him or Mark or Liam. If anything, they treat

911
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 3: me like I'm one of the wonders of the world. Usually,

912
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 3: if he plans trips, I'm the first one he has involved,

913
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 3: even before we tell the kids. He just insisted this

914
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,479
Speaker 3: time that it was a boys trip. Did anyone else

915
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 3: meet up with Josh, Mark and Liam? How did the

916
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 3: kids get along with each other? As far as I know,

917
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 3: they didn't bring anyone else or meet anyone. No, Liam,

918
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 3: Mark and Abbey usually get along and at the world

919
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 3: still with typical sibling rivalry, but it's never been as

920
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 3: bad as this. Another commenter, not the a hole. I

921
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 3: don't get your husband's reaction. Was he possibly going to

922
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 3: do a daddy daughter day and now Phil's he can't?

923
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 3: But why wouldn't he tell you? And trying to take

924
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 3: her bear. That's the equivalent of saying you don't deserve

925
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 3: anything because you don't have a wiener. I don't know.

926
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 3: I think this goes deep as worth digging into. Fourteen

927
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 3: is such a hard age, Opie says. I asked him

928
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 3: if he was going to take her anywhere before he

929
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 3: left for Six Flags. Actually he just said no. He

930
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 3: seemed frustrated, but I figured he was just focused on packing,

931
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 3: so I never pushed it further.

932
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean this is like, we don't have to

933
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,760
Speaker 4: read between the lines here. This is pretty obvious.

934
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's frustrating.

935
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 3: Does Opie have her own one on one with each

936
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,720
Speaker 3: of her children? Mark and I go to Olive Garden

937
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 3: together and Liam isn't much of a restaurant person, so

938
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 3: see we have macaroni and cheese knights if it's just

939
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 3: me and him.

940
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 2: See, this is what I like. I like she's got

941
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 2: these individual like Mark and I do this, Liam and

942
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 2: I do this, and then Abby and I do this.

943
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 2: That's what I like.

944
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I try to spend time with them individually. I

945
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 3: take Mark to the arcade and leave to the museums

946
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 3: if you want to visit. I promise I don't just

947
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 3: focus on Abby. Yeah.

948
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 2: I think it's just so hard with three kids that

949
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 2: are all the same age, Like, one's gonna feel that

950
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 2: if you don't invite all of them one of them

951
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 2: is going to feel left out.

952
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 4: I have to just ask the question of these triplets

953
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 4: being identical or fraternal, because I feel like the.

954
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,399
Speaker 2: Dad's like, well, they're they're not identical because she's a girl.

955
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 4: Well, I mean so they can't. They can't, they can't

956
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,399
Speaker 4: be identical. So okay, that makes a lot of sense.

957
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 4: That's just so funny to me. Like the dad's was like, uh,

958
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 4: this is so hard. I have to focus on the

959
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 4: two boys or the one girl. Yeah, uh, the boys.

960
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 2: The boy Literally that's usually I don't know how to

961
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 2: parent a girl, so I'm gonna focus on the boys.

962
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 2: And also it went a step beyond like, regardless of

963
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 2: whether or not you think the boy trip thing is fine,

964
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 2: he went a step beyond that and said also she

965
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 2: shouldn't even have anything fun. Yeah, that's crazy.

966
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 3: I read some comments. There were some crazy comments of

967
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 3: does the husband not think Abby is his? She's like, no,

968
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 3: the triplets, Oh, can you kick the husband out? No,

969
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 3: his the house was inherited from his grandmother, so he

970
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 3: can't kick him out, and he can maybe kick them out.

971
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 3: I don't know, but we have an update.

972
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 2: Oh boy, let's freaking do it.

973
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 3: Three months later, oh man, and he guesses, I think

974
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 3: he's just being sexist. Sexist.

975
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 4: I really hope that three months later he starts taking

976
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 4: Abbey out to more cool places and they're like, realizes

977
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,399
Speaker 4: to be a better parent. Yeah, hopefully, yep, yep, yep.

978
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 4: That's my wishful thinking.

979
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 3: Mm been a while since I made my first post,

980
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 3: and enough time has passed that I figured I would update. Firstly,

981
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 3: I want to clear some things up. The boys trip

982
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 3: was not just one day. It was from Friday to Tuesday.

983
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 3: I saw multiple people say it was just a day trip,

984
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,280
Speaker 3: so I wanted to clarify that. The question everyone is asking,

985
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 3: why did I defend Josh? I wish I had an

986
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 3: answer better than I was in denial. I didn't want

987
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 3: to think that Josh was horrible because I truly loved

988
00:42:56,360 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 3: him at the time. Uh oh, I don't anymore. Oh.

989
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 3: At the time, though, I was scared to accept that

990
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 3: he was a bad person.

991
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 2: The update, well that was an introok me.

992
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 4: Yeah not that.

993
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, let's get into it.

994
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 4: Wishful thinking. I think he was not very wishful there. Yeah.

995
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 3: The update. I took the kids and we went to

996
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 3: my sister's house market Liam protested, but I told them

997
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 3: it wasn't their choice to make. I told Josh that

998
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 3: we were leaving for a while, and he literally said, fine,

999
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 3: as long as I can keep the boys with me.

1000
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 2: Wow, you suck.

1001
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 3: We had an argument about it and asculated to the

1002
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 3: point where the police had to intervene. He didn't get physical,

1003
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 3: but he was verbally aggressive towards all of us, and

1004
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 3: they had to calm him down. I think that was

1005
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 3: the moment I realized I couldn't do it anymore and

1006
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 3: decided it was over for us. I was able to

1007
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 3: force him into the family therapy but the help of

1008
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 3: his family. They were all appalled by his behavior and

1009
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 3: didn't understand what was happening either. I wish I could

1010
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,240
Speaker 3: tell you all that we came to a big revelation

1011
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 3: and finally understood everything, but unfortunately that didn't happen. The

1012
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 3: therapist asked Abby to speak, and she asked Josh directly

1013
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 3: why he didn't let her go on the trip and

1014
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 3: why he got upset that she spent the day with me.

1015
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 3: You refuse to speak and just walked out of the session. Wait.

1016
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 3: He blocked both me and my daughter, and the last

1017
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 3: thing I heard from him. Was him texting Liam and

1018
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 3: telling him to tell me that he expects custody of

1019
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 3: both the boys and not Abby if we divorce. What

1020
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 3: happened on this trip, what happened is six flags.

1021
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 2: No, this is how he felt the whole time. I mean,

1022
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 2: it's super clear that this is how he felt about

1023
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:38,879
Speaker 2: his daughter the whole time. He did not value her.

1024
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 2: That's devastating.

1025
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 3: Why will he say anything? Yeah, now you gotta get

1026
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 3: full custody, dude, is wild?

1027
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 4: Keep those texts by the way, Yeah, like I would

1028
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 4: be like, hey, Liam, I need those texts because you

1029
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:52,359
Speaker 4: got to understand that's not right.

1030
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't want to be separated from your sister, dude.

1031
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 3: The emotional also, if there's like some kind of test

1032
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 3: you can have on a guy of his emotional intelligence

1033
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 3: before you get married, take the test. I see a lot.

1034
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 2: See what he thinks about women's.

1035
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:10,839
Speaker 3: Especially like where I'm from. The emotional intelligence is very

1036
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 3: lackluster in a lot of relationships, and it's very frustrating.

1037
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 3: You can have opinions about things, but if you can't

1038
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 3: really explain why you think that way, or you're saying

1039
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 3: it because someone else told you to think.

1040
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 4: That way, or you can't take somebody else's opinion like that,

1041
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 4: get first from yours.

1042
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 3: Yes, you can't like agree to disagree, dude.

1043
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, geez hey, y'all, it's John og Host here.

1044
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: We're gonna get back to the stories, but here's a

1045
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: quick three minute break from ask for more sponsors.

1046
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 3: I still don't understand what's going on with him, and

1047
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 3: neither does his family. I also talk to all the

1048
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 3: kids separately. Abby said that nothing happened between the two

1049
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 3: of them, and she was confused as to why he

1050
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 3: hated her leaving. Mark said that he told them they

1051
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 3: should leave Abby home because this was a father son's

1052
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 3: trip and it's justsed that the trip was going to

1053
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 3: have a certain dynamic that Abby would ruin. He convinced

1054
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 3: them not to want her on the trip, and they'll

1055
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 3: because he said he was going to cancel it if

1056
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 3: she came along. As for what happened on the trip,

1057
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 3: they just said they spent pretty much all the time

1058
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 3: at six Flags and the worst thing that happened was

1059
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 3: they didn't have sunscreen.

1060
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 4: That is pretty bad, you know, like karma, Yeah, karma deserved.

1061
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, as of right now, we're still living with my

1062
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 3: sister Mark and Liam are still sharing a room and

1063
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,879
Speaker 3: got used to it. Abby is still shaking up from

1064
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 3: the situation. Sometimes they catch her blaming herself for all

1065
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 3: of this, but I make sure to remind her that

1066
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 3: it's not her fault. All three are on a wait

1067
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 3: list for individual therapy right now, and I'm considering it

1068
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 3: for myself, but for now I'm focusing on them. I'm

1069
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 3: looking to see what my options are for housing, and

1070
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 3: as much as I would love to keep her home,

1071
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 3: I don't know if I can, and I'm looking into

1072
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 3: other houses and apartments as backup. I'm hoping the divorce

1073
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 3: process goes smoothly because see Josh dragging it out as

1074
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 3: long as possible. I'm moditoring Mark and Liam's text in

1075
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 3: case Josh says anything or tries pitting them against me

1076
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 3: or Abby. He still won't talk to Abby or me,

1077
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,240
Speaker 3: which I'm fine with as of now. I know Abby

1078
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 3: misses her dad, but I think she realizes that she's

1079
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,879
Speaker 3: better off without him. It's basically everything right now. I'm

1080
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 3: not sure if this is the end of everything, or

1081
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 3: if I'll be dealing with this a lot more with

1082
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 3: a divorce. In any case, I think my kids and

1083
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 3: I will be fine. Thanks to everyone on the original

1084
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,240
Speaker 3: thread for giving me advice and help me pull off

1085
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 3: the rose tinted glasses. I dread to think about what

1086
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 3: would have happened if I never came here and stayed

1087
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 3: with Josh.

1088
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 2: We have some comments, Yeah, this is the only way,

1089
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:38,839
Speaker 2: and I think that you should get full custody if

1090
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:43,720
Speaker 2: he's still making that demand that he only wants the suns.

1091
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, we have some comments left here. Okay, Someone's like,

1092
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 3: is it possible that he believes Abby isn't his very

1093
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 3: strange behavior?

1094
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 2: They're twin or triplets?

1095
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, someone did say it's possible, but.

1096
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 2: It's so unlikely. It's so unlikely, and I'm sure they

1097
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 2: look like each other. That would be like incredibly unlikely.

1098
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 3: Yeah. Or that he thought after having two boys, he'd

1099
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 3: have another one and got disappointed.

1100
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, again, they're triplets.

1101
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 3: He probably wanted three boys. Opie says she's definitely going

1102
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 3: for full custody, or at least nothing more than supervised

1103
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 3: visits from him. Psych vow would be a good idea.

1104
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 3: I'll try and talk to my attorney about this, considering

1105
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 3: his own family doesn't agree with his behavior or know

1106
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 3: what's going on with him and we can have the

1107
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 3: family therapy incident as proof. I can hope that will

1108
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,439
Speaker 3: be enough to get psych evaluation or at least prove

1109
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,359
Speaker 3: if he isn't fitted to be around them alone. Yeah.

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00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 2: I think that's the best course of action, get them

1111
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:38,919
Speaker 2: away from him, supervised visits at the most. But uh yeah,

1112
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 2: this is not a man fit to take care of

1113
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 2: his kids. But folks, that's the end of that story,

1114
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 2: and we've got another one. My fiance's ideal woman.

1115
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 3: Is not me. I'm to move on.

1116
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 2: And this comes directly from the r slash Okay Storytime supparate.

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00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 2: I thirty five female, have been engaged to my fiance

1118
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,760
Speaker 2: thirty one male for over a year now after dating

1119
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 2: for a year. He proposed on our one year anniversary,

1120
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 2: and our wedding is planned for next spring. Yay for context,

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00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 2: We are both a bit on the traditional and conservative

1122
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 2: side and willingly live our lives that way. By the way,

1123
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,399
Speaker 2: this comes from What the f is Life twenty five

1124
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 2: and if you want to submit your own stories, go

1125
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Speaker 2: to the r slash Okay Storytime severed it.

1126
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 3: I'm Sophia, I'm Riley, I'm Keon, and we're here to give.

1127
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 2: Good advice, Goofley, But we don't have all the answers.

1128
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 2: We only know what we'd do is let us know

1129
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 2: what you would do in the comments, and OP says

1130
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 2: we made a new friend earlier in the week at

1131
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 2: our church, John, aged thirty, who just moved into town.

1132
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 2: He's married, no kids, but his wife will be moving

1133
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 2: into town with him next month since her job contract

1134
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:41,720
Speaker 2: doesn't end for a few more weeks.

1135
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 3: Don't believe him, Let's see some proofs call her call

1136
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 3: her out on a FaceTime.

1137
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 2: Earlier in the day yesterday, I mentioned that it's kind

1138
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,720
Speaker 2: of cool that John's wife is also four years older

1139
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 2: than him, to which my fiance responded, yeah, that is interesting.

1140
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,240
Speaker 2: I mean my ideal woman would be in her early twenties.

1141
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 3: Sarcastically, he said, right, why.

1142
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 4: Did he say that, saying haha, Hei, he right, that

1143
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 4: was a funny joke.

1144
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 2: I'm sorry if I was, like, it's kind of crazy

1145
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 2: that someone has the exact same you know, these new

1146
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 2: friends have the exact same age gap as us, And

1147
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 2: then my partner went, yep, I wouldn't.

1148
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 3: Want to have it.

1149
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,879
Speaker 2: If I had my way, Oh my god, I would

1150
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 2: want someone younger than you.

1151
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 3: Man if Kean and I had it our way, we'd

1152
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 3: have nine foot women who are blue and have little tails.

1153
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 4: I thought we're going to keep that a secret.

1154
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 2: I looked at him funny and asked, like, when you

1155
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 2: were younger, or you mean right now currently, at the

1156
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:37,399
Speaker 2: age you are. He responded, no, I mean right now.

1157
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 2: I'm thirty one. Ideally I should be with a woman

1158
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 2: in her twenties.

1159
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:42,359
Speaker 3: Oh god, he's down.

1160
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 2: That's when women are at their prime, especially since I

1161
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 2: want to have many children in a big family, and

1162
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 2: I'm at my prime right now.

1163
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 3: Oh you were at your prime at twenty three and

1164
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 3: you broke your ankle and you could have made it

1165
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 3: to the NFL. That's what I would tell them.

1166
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 2: I was stunned. I wouldn't even know how to respond

1167
00:50:59,880 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 2: to it.

1168
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 3: I'd be like, dude, like he's had that in his

1169
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 3: back pocket. It's low key.

1170
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 2: The tebus's men are never at their prime.

1171
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 3: Ouch hitting It's like, oh no, a bicycle's about to

1172
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 3: hit me coming down the hill, and it's it's truck

1173
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 3: full of briaks.

1174
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:17,839
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.

1175
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 3: Oh.

1176
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 2: He's like, wait, I want to give you a chance

1177
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 2: to get out of that, and he said, no, I

1178
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 2: don't want to take that exit. I'm gonna keep driving.

1179
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 2: I was stunned. We've had conversations like this before, but

1180
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 2: it was always general discussion about statistics or trends, never

1181
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 2: specifically about us or our individual wants, needs, or preferences.

1182
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 2: I remained quiet the rest of the day. I didn't

1183
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 2: want my emotions to control the situation, so I stayed

1184
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 2: silent to give my mind time to process everything. The

1185
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 2: next morning, I guess he could sense a difference in

1186
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 2: my demeanor. He kept asking me what was wrong. I

1187
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 2: finally gave in and calmly said, so, you would ideally

1188
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:56,919
Speaker 2: like to be with a woman in her twenties, because

1189
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 2: that's when they're at their prime for raising a large family,

1190
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 2: and you're current at your prime. So what's stopping you?

1191
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 3: And he says, whoa girl?

1192
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, he says, He says, oh, do you want to

1193
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 2: carry it? You are easy, girl, easy?

1194
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 3: You are overreacting. Yeah.

1195
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 2: He looked genuinely confused. I continued, we're not married yet,

1196
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 2: we're not legally tied down to each other. Why are

1197
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 2: you with me? I never lied to you about my age.

1198
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 2: You knew how old I was when we met. You

1199
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 2: knew I wanted to have children. You knew there could

1200
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,760
Speaker 2: be a possibility that having children could be a difficult

1201
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 2: situation for me. You're thirty, You're fine. Yeah, you chose

1202
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 2: to continue dating me. You chose to continue a relationship

1203
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 2: with me, and then you chose to propose to me

1204
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 2: a year into our relationship. Why if you're at your

1205
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 2: prime and I'm not your ideal woman, why are you

1206
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 2: with me? Why do you want to marry.

1207
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 3: Me so I could just settle down.

1208
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 2: I don't know, because you because you said yes to me,

1209
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 2: you seemed nice. I already asked a couple.

1210
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,080
Speaker 4: Other twenty year olds they also know, and.

1211
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 2: They said, no, I'm on the prime of my life.

1212
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 2: I don't want to shuttle down and have a ump

1213
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 2: kid and get married.

1214
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 3: See that's the thing. As soon as he becomes single,

1215
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 3: he's gonna go for a twenty year old. He's not

1216
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 3: gonna happen.

1217
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 2: But if them are gonna want to have well not

1218
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 2: I mean some probably will, but probably not the ones

1219
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 2: he finds. But there is a little bit left to

1220
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 2: this story. Drop this guy, don't marry him, Do not

1221
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 2: marry this guy.

1222
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 3: Say I do, okay, so do to us.

1223
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 2: But there is a little bit left to this story. Honestly,

1224
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 2: I didn't know how to feel about his response. He said, well,

1225
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 2: women like you are hard to find here. There aren't

1226
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 2: many younger women who are traditional and conservative like you.

1227
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,720
Speaker 2: And your years of baby making aren't over. You're only

1228
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 2: thirty five. You still have time. The possibility of us

1229
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 2: having children together is still there. Maybe not at your

1230
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 2: prime anymore, but nowhere near impossible.

1231
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,959
Speaker 4: He's really just he really just doesn't getting His.

1232
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 3: Great version of this is is him being like, oh,

1233
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 3: you're six out of ten. I could be with a

1234
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 3: ten out of ten, and then he doubles down and says,

1235
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 3: you're more like a six and a half out of ten.

1236
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,720
Speaker 2: He's like, I guess you're like, I don't know, best

1237
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:08,240
Speaker 2: of seven, very mid Yeah. I didn't know how to respond.

1238
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 2: I simply said, I feel like you're settling, and a

1239
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 2: man in his prime shouldn't have to settle. He got

1240
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 2: audibly upset and responded, well, you can leave then, if

1241
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 2: that's what you want. That was all this morning, while

1242
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 2: we were both getting ready for work. Now I'm sitting

1243
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 2: in my office with my head spinning on what theft

1244
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 2: just happened, And folks, that's the end. Of that story

1245
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 2: seems like, oh, he broke up with him, and honestly,

1246
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 2: thank goodness, I think you just leave this guy. He

1247
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 2: clearly is showing who he is, which often happens when

1248
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 2: you've you know, you haven't been together that long. In

1249
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 2: less than two years, I think it was a little

1250
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 2: bit over a year now, Oh okay, but yeah around

1251
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:48,439
Speaker 2: because he proposed after a year.

1252
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 4: God got okay, Wait, I did find a comment. It's

1253
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 4: just from a common pretty much everyone just saying don't

1254
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:58,760
Speaker 4: marry this guy, and this guy sucks and OPI responds

1255
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 4: with I've read and re in your comments so many

1256
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 4: times my eyes hurt. But you make so much sense,

1257
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 4: and you're absolutely right. He doesn't want to be a

1258
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 4: husband and a father. He just likes the idea of

1259
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,919
Speaker 4: having a wife and children to provide for Oh my gosh, yeah,

1260
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 4: because it makes him look much better as a man

1261
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:15,720
Speaker 4: who can provide for a family.

1262
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 3: So yeah, absolutely, this is the energy of I want

1263
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 3: to have a wife and kids, not I want to

1264
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 3: be a father and have children, or I want to

1265
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 3: be a husband to have children.

1266
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:26,720
Speaker 2: It's it's I want to have a wife and kids.

1267
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:28,359
Speaker 2: I don't care who that is.

1268
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:30,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't matter.

1269
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 2: It's not I want to have a wife and kids

1270
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:33,959
Speaker 2: with you, or I want you to be my wife

1271
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,919
Speaker 2: and I want to have kids with you. Yeah, it's

1272
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:38,439
Speaker 2: I just want a wife and kids.

1273
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 3: Well, what I'm talking about is the mentality of I

1274
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 3: want a wife and kids, not I want to take

1275
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 3: the responsibility of being a husband. I want to take

1276
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 3: the responsibility of being a father.

1277
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 2: Do Yeah, I agree. Because this is the end of

1278
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 2: the episode, So if you love us, make sure to subscribe.

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