WEBVTT - Girls Talk, ‘Boys Talk: TEs Adding Strength? 0:00:02.720 --> 0:00:05.160 The following He is a production of Dallascowboys dot Com 0:00:05.200 --> 0:00:07.080 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:10.039 Cowboys. 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:17.200 This is Girls Talkboys Talk, presented by Jigsaw Dating preferred 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:21.960 dating partner of the Dallas Cowboys and broadcasting live from 0:00:22.079 --> 0:00:24.800 Dallas Cowboys World Headquarters at the Star. 0:00:28.600 --> 0:00:31.360 It is a lovely Tuesday to listen to Girls Talkboys Talk, 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:34.879 presented by Jigsaw, the official dating partner of the Dallas Cowboys. 0:00:35.080 --> 0:00:38.279 Hailey Sutton, Aisha Morrison, Jess Navarrees back with you on 0:00:38.360 --> 0:00:41.360 our Tuesday edition of this podcast. We've got a lot 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:43.199 to talk about when it comes to the Giants game 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:45.480 last week. We've also got some things to talk about 0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:47.400 when it comes to the Colts game next week. 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:48.080 We've got a. 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:50.120 Special guest in our hot seat, so a lot of 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:52.080 things to get started with, ladies. 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:55.000 It's been a minute since we've had a chance to chat. 0:00:55.040 --> 0:00:57.160 The Cowboys are coming off that mini bye they played 0:00:57.160 --> 0:00:59.920 on Thursday, beat the Giants once again twenty eight to two. 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:02.840 I said in my five points recap last week, I know, 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:06.360 or earlier this week it's a rivalry, right, But I said, 0:01:06.360 --> 0:01:07.000 what rivalry? 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:08.920 Because it's just getting silly at this point. 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:12.800 To consider the Cowboys arrival when Dak Prescott is quarterback. 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:15.200 But we'll talk about that later. Cowboys coming off of 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:17.880 a twelve day three game stretch where they went two 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:21.160 and one. They are four and one since Dak returned 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:24.640 a lot of really positive performances in that game. But 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:26.800 I want to just start right there. I shall go 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:27.200 to you first. 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:29.360 Who is your player of the game and why. 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:30.000 Of the game? 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:33.880 I would say, I would say Ceedee Lamb. I think 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:37.280 I said Ceedee Lamb yesterday. Just he is starting to 0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:40.440 take over games and spots when they need a guy 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:43.240 to continue to make plays and his assurgence and also 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:45.640 to looking back at the game, he's starting to get 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:46.160 that attention. 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:47.680 He's starting to get that. 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:50.320 Oh, let me make sure I have an extra safety 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:52.120 over there, and that in turn is opening up things 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:54.560 for Michael Gallup and those guys to get going. So 0:01:54.640 --> 0:01:57.680 Ceedee Lamb emerging in this last couple of games has 0:01:57.680 --> 0:01:58.280 been big for me. 0:01:58.680 --> 0:01:59.960 Yesterday, I said Michael Gallup. 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:02.760 But I'm gonna switch gears a little bit here because 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:04.240 I've been sitting on this all morning. 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:06.960 I'm gonna say Layton vander esh Okay, my player of 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:07.400 the game. 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:10.400 Because you know, two weeks ago we're talking about the 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:13.320 run defense and how that's kind of this defense is kryptonite. 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:15.880 And I feel like Layton Vandersh came in with a 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:21.079 very vintage, like wolf hunter approach to fixing this run defense, 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:25.000 and his tackling is so worth noting. I went back 0:02:25.040 --> 0:02:28.120 and I watched some of the key points from Thursday's game. 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:32.280 This man's tackling has improved so much over the course 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:35.240 of the last few weeks, but even just since last season. 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:38.760 You look at how he tackles. He's not tackling forward anymore. 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:41.880 It's not giving that extra yardage to you know, those 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:46.240 receivers or those backs. But Leyton Vandersh is really impressing me. 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:48.639 He's leading the league right now in tackles, I believe, 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:53.000 and he just is coming out swinging this season, and 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:54.200 I love to see that for him. 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:57.560 I love that you said, CD, that is my honorable mention. 0:02:57.880 --> 0:03:00.800 And not only because but in the locker room whenever 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:03.600 everyone on the sideline was like, bro, you have two hands, 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:06.079 use them. So of course the natural question to ask 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:07.880 in the locker room is why were you not using 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:10.880 two hands? And CD said, quite frankly, they were holding 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:12.520 my left hand all day, like I had to make 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:14.960 the play, I had to do something, so I was 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:17.320 using one hand. So we love a guy who is 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:19.679 confident with just one hand as well as both of them. 0:03:19.680 --> 0:03:21.080 He does very well with both. 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:24.640 I also said on this a lot because I wanted 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:27.120 to naturally go defense. I think the easy question or 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:29.720 the easy answer was Michael Parsons. You know, getting two 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:32.200 sacks continues to be a menace. But I wanted to 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:34.920 dig a little bit deeper into that, and so I 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:38.120 picked a group. I picked the tight end group, and 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:40.640 we're going to break it down in just a minute. Why. 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:44.920 But I think this tight end group is so special 0:03:45.680 --> 0:03:48.680 and at this point so necessary to the Cowboys' success 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:52.720 this season. They have such a secret weapon in that group. 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:54.960 I asked Kellan Moore about it yesterday. When it comes 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:57.960 to having four tight ends on an active roster who 0:03:58.000 --> 0:04:00.360 can come in and make an impact, what that. 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:03.240 Allows him to do creatively? And here's what he had to. 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:07.880 Say, Think that allows us certainly we can have some 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:10.160 depth in those positions, so we're not one guy away. 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:12.360 You know, sometimes the tight ends needs a break and 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:14.160 whatnot when you have four of them. We can go 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:16.160 into wist of those packages knowing if one guy's out, 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:18.240 we still got enough depth there and so that's huge. 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:21.320 And those guys just do such a good job. They're 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:23.159 really smart players, so they can handle all these different 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:26.520 roles and you know we're going to run the football 0:04:26.520 --> 0:04:28.320 in it, but we can also spread people out and 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:30.560 we can play in empty sets with those tight ends, 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:33.200 and they can run the receiver routterree and so it's 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:35.440 been fun for those guys to see their growth, especially 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:37.640 the young guys, to see them grow in those roles. 0:04:38.600 --> 0:04:42.440 So that's Kellen on the creativity. And after hearing that yesterday, 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:44.040 I kind of wanted to dig a little bit more. 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:45.479 I took a page out of your book, So I 0:04:45.480 --> 0:04:47.560 hope you're proud of me and this and this is 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:49.520 some of the research that I found from this. This 0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:52.040 all comes from next Gen Stats. So the Cowboys have 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:55.080 played fifty four point six percent of their snaps in 0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:57.560 eleven personnel, which means they have one running back, one 0:04:57.600 --> 0:05:00.160 tight end, and three wide receivers on the field. 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:01.680 Their next highest. 0:05:01.360 --> 0:05:06.960 Would be twelve personnel at twenty five point six percent. 0:05:07.680 --> 0:05:11.479 But they have a fifty three percent success rate in 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:14.359 plays in that twelve personnel grouping. 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:16.240 And here's where it gets fun. 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:19.960 The more tight ends they have on the field, the 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:22.279 higher rate of success they have when it comes to 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:25.359 converting plays. They're getting an average of eight yards per play, 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:27.760 six yards per play as opposed to the three, the two, 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:29.000 whatever it takes. 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:32.440 So my question for you guys. 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:37.039 How is having that many skilled tight ends on a 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:38.360 roster bode. 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:39.000 Well for the Cowboys? 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:42.360 How can they utilize that group going into this last 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:44.400 arguably most important part of the season. 0:05:44.600 --> 0:05:44.840 Yeah. 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:48.800 Absolutely, So with the eleven personnel this year talking about 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:51.800 it doesn't surprise me that the percentage is somewhat close. 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:56.640 But with twelve personnel, the tight ends being receiving options, 0:05:56.880 --> 0:05:59.560 I really believe is what changes tips to tide in 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:03.040 them all so having the ability to block and get 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:06.240 out and also make and catch passes. But with eleven personnel, 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:10.120 you're relying on those wide receivers to create separation and 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:12.120 to get open on their own to some degree. So 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:14.760 I understand that with them being in for extra blocking, 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:17.080 teams don't know if this guy's gonna break out for 0:06:17.120 --> 0:06:19.880 a quick out or if he's really in there run 0:06:19.920 --> 0:06:23.080 blocking in those plays, and you see that with my 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:27.919 bad with Jake Ferguson and Peyton Hindershot, they're getting dbs 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:30.560 and linebackers to bite because they think that this is 0:06:30.560 --> 0:06:33.040 a run player and they're selling it and that's allowing 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:35.000 them to get out and be receiving options. You got 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:38.279 a vertical threat and a guy that has athleticisms. There's 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:41.719 versatility in this room. And then with Sean McEwan mckun 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:45.359 rather mckun he has the ability also to be a 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:48.920 passing option. But his blocking has been so important, so 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:51.880 important to what they do, and it's also helped with 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:55.880 this offensive line and to drive this offensive line to success. 0:06:55.920 --> 0:06:57.200 So that makes so much. 0:06:57.080 --> 0:06:59.280 Sense that they're seeing so much more success with more 0:06:59.320 --> 0:06:59.800 tight ends. 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:02.160 On the Yeah, and I think you know I usued 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:04.320 to hit the nail right on the head. But the versatility, 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:06.440 it allows for more versatility, it. 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:08.000 Allows for more of a threat. 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:11.200 And we've talked about how you know this Cowboys offense, 0:07:11.240 --> 0:07:14.120 they don't have that one threat that you know an 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:17.880 OBGA might bring where it instills fear into opposing defenses. 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:20.240 When you have a core tight end group like this, 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:22.480 you don't know what you're going to get. Like I 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:25.440 used to said, oh, hey, Fergie's on the field. What 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:27.320 are we getting with Fergie? We're going to get hurdled? 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:28.960 Are we going to get some pass pro in there? 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:31.320 And you know something I know Tony Pollard has been 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:33.560 a little scrutinized on is the pass pro. So I 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:35.800 think if anything can come in and help take that 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:37.840 off of him, help the pass pro a little bit, 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:40.480 that is always a great option. Of course, it opens 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:43.360 up the RPO, the run pass option for Dak. And 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:47.520 most importantly, I think when we're talking about this identity 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:50.120 of this offense, it's the run game, right And so 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:53.040 when you have these tight ends that cannot only go 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:55.400 in and obviously be an option for more of a 0:07:55.440 --> 0:07:59.880 wide receiver corp. But that pass pro unity, oh man, 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:02.720 you have Zeke and you have Tony Palady, have that 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:05.440 one two punch that is going to just eat yardage 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:08.400 completely throughout the game. So I think it just allows 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:10.800 for more versatility within the Cowboys offense overall. 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:13.520 Here's what I like the most about this group. We 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:16.720 talked last week about from a defensive standpoint, how do 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:17.760 you help the run game? 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:19.160 It's by doing your job. 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:23.239 I don't think there's a single group in this locker 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:25.760 room that knows and understands their roles better than the 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:28.520 tight ends. You have Dalton Schultz, the guy who's going 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:31.200 to find the end zone. He's all reliable for Dak Prescott. 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:34.000 You got Jake Ferguson, who you have to respect. 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:34.199 At this point. 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:35.839 He's big, he's athletic. 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:38.960 He'll juke you if you're the Eagles, he'll leap you 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:41.400 if you are the Giants. I'm excited to see what 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:43.839 he will do coming up this week against the Colts, 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:46.080 so you have to respect him as a playmaker. 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:47.280 You've got Peyton. 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:50.000 Hindershot who's fast, potentially a deep threat. We just talked 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:52.559 about that before the game, and he can run like 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:55.080 a running back right. And then you have Sean mceun 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:56.120 who comes in and can. 0:08:56.040 --> 0:08:57.280 Block because does his job. 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:00.600 Every single one of these guys you have to respect 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:02.880 because they provide such a different facet of. 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:04.200 What it means to be a tight end. 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:06.839 And I think I hope rather that the Cowboys will 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:10.440 lean on them a little bit more as options and 0:09:10.960 --> 0:09:13.040 providing that spark for the offense, because we've talked a 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:15.640 lot about where the offense has struggled. They just don't 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:18.040 have a spark, you just said it. So hopefully with 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:20.480 this tight end group, I think it will start to 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:22.320 kickstart maybe a little bit. 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:23.400 We'll see against the Colts. 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:26.520 I also think something worth noting too is this tight 0:09:26.640 --> 0:09:29.120 end group is so close knit, not just on the 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:31.199 field obviously, but you see off the field, on the 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:33.400 sounds of the sideline and all of that. But you 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:36.880 even take it back, Notch, you remember that closeness with 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:40.400 Dalton Schultz and Blake Jarwin, you know, when Jarwin was 0:09:40.440 --> 0:09:42.520 still on the team, and so I think what's awesome 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:45.079 to see is Dalton Schultz really bringing that same energy, 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:47.440 in that same tight knit closeness that he had with 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:52.120 Jarwin into this younger tight end core and really showing 0:09:52.160 --> 0:09:55.040 them the rogues and you know, knowing that yes, this 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:57.959 is a team, this is a team thing, right, and 0:09:58.000 --> 0:10:01.320 not being selfish with those reds, because he very easily 0:10:01.320 --> 0:10:03.320 could be like, hey, guys, I'm the vet in the room, 0:10:03.440 --> 0:10:04.320 this is my stuff. 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:06.439 But the fact that they know how to. 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:10.400 Spread out so well and just not be selfish with 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:11.800 those reps, I think that's incredible. 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:13.679 And Dalton talked about that after the game when he 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:16.480 was asked, you know, like, are you okay with this 0:10:16.600 --> 0:10:18.920 type of football that you're playing in that tight end room? 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:20.760 And he said, yeah. My favorite part about these guys 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:23.720 is that we just we do it together. We champion. 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:27.520 I think the celebration really embodied who they are as 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:27.920 a group. 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:30.839 You know, Peyton gets a touchdown, but he turns around 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:31.880 before anything and he's. 0:10:31.720 --> 0:10:36.120 Waiting over the entire group to celebrate. So I love 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:39.280 that for them. I hope to see them continue. I 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:41.560 believe that they will, so we will keep an eye 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:43.600 on that. Of course, with the good always. 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:43.880 Comes the bad. 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:48.160 It was not a perfect performance from the Cowboys perspective. Ess, 0:10:48.320 --> 0:10:50.640 I was trying my hardest to find something in the 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:54.520 building that would even remotely look like shot glasses because 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:55.920 I was going to bring them down here. 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:56.520 I have water. 0:10:59.559 --> 0:10:59.960 I know. 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:00.480 I know. 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:03.880 We laugh about it a lot, but again, doing some digging, 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:06.720 we talk a lot about the penalties and how much 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:10.040 of an impact they can make on the game. Thursday's 0:11:10.080 --> 0:11:13.920 game in particular, that it really was an issue. Thirteen 0:11:13.960 --> 0:11:17.520 flags cost them eighty six yards. They have thirty six 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:19.959 pre snap penalties this season alone, so it kind of 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:21.680 got me thinking, you know, they led the league last 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:24.640 year in penalties, where do they stand out this year? 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:27.160 They have been better? But how much better? Well, not much. 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:29.800 They're in second only, second to the Denver Broncos. 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:32.840 So first, yeah, we're not scarsed. 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:36.160 We're second in total penalties in twenty twenty two with 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:39.160 eighty three. Last season was one twenty seven, so we're 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:41.200 not that far. 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:44.920 I mean, And they stack up like when you go 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:48.800 through them, it's like five five this game ye to 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:50.120 this game eight? 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:51.240 What in the world. 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:55.280 And it's like some games they'll have. They've had a 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:58.680 couple of spans of games where it's like okay, okay, 0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:02.040 and then it's just like a boom like today, like Thursday. 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:06.640 Yeah, like they feel like they need to make up. 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:09.520 They're like, oh damn, we had three last week. 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:11.840 You know what. 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:14.440 You know what, I love me a good punt. And 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:16.360 y'all know this. And I used to have heard this before, Haley, 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:17.040 I haven't told you this. 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:20.559 I was talking to you a football genius a couple 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:24.240 of weeks ago about my my my knack for keeping 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:27.400 track of penalties on the podcast, and uh, you know, 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:31.840 he said, it's like mustard on the lettuce, So lettuce 0:12:31.920 --> 0:12:35.000 is green. You have mustard that goes on the lettuce 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:37.480 quit well, and it was. 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:41.040 It was more can we do we have a sound? 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:43.480 It worked out better because it was the Vikings game 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:45.840 with a forty burger, so that's why it kind of 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:48.800 tied together for a burger and mustard and lettuce. But 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:52.520 this week you could also keep it food related for Thanksgiving. 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:56.520 However, no sound. 0:12:56.960 --> 0:12:59.679 But what I was going to say, see, I think 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:01.240 she with me on that one. 0:13:01.240 --> 0:13:04.200 She did it, Jesse jesz No. 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:06.400 So what I was gonna say, though, is you were 0:13:06.400 --> 0:13:08.600 talking about the total count, and of course Chris sent 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:12.480 me this incredible website. Thank you Chris, our other producer, 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:16.800 for sending me this golden this golden ticket of all things. Penalties, 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:20.280 but eighty three penalties so far this season for six 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:23.600 hundred and twenty six yards. That is the problem. So 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:26.319 we always joke and the running joke is I talk 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:30.560 about penalties, but when yours, when you have eighty three 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:33.480 penalties that have cost you six hundred and twenty six 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:37.400 yards this season, that's a huge issue because to me, 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:41.400 you know, my biggest problem with the amount of penalties 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:44.480 against the Giants is yes, it's the Giants. You can 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:46.920 get away with thirteen penalties and obviously still pull out 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:49.560 a win. When you're talking later on down the road, 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:54.439 when you're talking you know, potential playoff games and things 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:57.120 like that. That essentially is what cost the Cowboys a 0:13:57.160 --> 0:13:59.040 playoff win against the forty nine ers. 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:00.880 Last season when you look at that. 0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:04.680 So my thing is you're already stacking up that yardage, 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:08.360 the penalties, the accounts of everything. I don't want it 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:10.720 to come back around and be a full circle moment 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:12.760 that we do not want to see that cost them 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:15.920 a bigger game down the road. That's that's my biggest 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:16.319 issue with this. 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:18.240 I agree, and like I said, I know we pick 0:14:18.320 --> 0:14:20.760 fun at Jess about it, but it is a serious conversation. 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:23.160 We pick fun just because we she says. 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:25.800 The word penalties because they love me, but it is true. 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:26.320 Now. 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:29.840 Mike McCarthy did speak about it yesterday, particularly when it 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:31.680 came to the pre snap penalties. I think that's what 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:33.920 he kind of was alluding to, and he said, yeah, 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:35.960 we have a lot of pre snap penalties because we're 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:37.840 trying to be aggressive. We're trying to get the guys 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:39.280 to all be on the same page. When it comes 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:41.920 to Dak's new cadence. We're trying to make sure that 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:44.440 we're being aggressive. That's kind of been the running theme 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:47.160 for this offense is aggressive. I think Kellen Moore talked 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:53.320 about that yesterday too, but wouldn't I guess My question is, 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:56.200 and I shall go to you for this, how much 0:14:56.480 --> 0:14:59.600 is too much when it comes to that aggressiveness? 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:01.160 What's risk reward of? 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:04.240 You know, we're gonna we're gonna have these prison penalties. 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:05.880 But I'm okay with it because. 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:09.960 Yeah, I think I think that's what they're They're trying 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:12.680 to find the balance right now. What's not helping is 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:13.560 the turnovers too. 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:17.320 Yea is it's one of those things, well. 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:20.320 Maybe you can overcome the turnover, but then to have 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:23.360 the turnover and the penalty or the penalty that causes 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:25.960 the turnover and then the turnover and they score points 0:15:25.960 --> 0:15:28.040 off of it. Because if you look back at even 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:30.480 the Green Bay game and some of the Giants game, 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:35.120 like they scored because of the penalties. And so the 0:15:35.160 --> 0:15:37.400 Cowboys have had this problem for a while just getting 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:40.680 out of their own way and being able to to, 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:43.520 you know, make something happen after they've gotten behind the sticks. 0:15:43.560 --> 0:15:46.560 They struggle when they're behind the sticks. Now, granted, dak 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:48.360 is made up for some of that stuff because you're 0:15:48.360 --> 0:15:50.280 in third and long cis game and stuff because of 0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:52.320 the penalties, and he was able to do that, but again, 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:55.520 depending on that and that aggressiveness puts you in situations 0:15:55.520 --> 0:15:56.680 where you could have turnovers. 0:15:56.680 --> 0:15:56.920 Again. 0:15:57.040 --> 0:15:59.480 So right now, I feel like they're just trying to 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:01.400 find the balance and it's a difficult place to be 0:16:01.520 --> 0:16:03.560 in to be, like, I want to be aggressive, but 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:06.320 there's bad that comes out of it. 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:09.800 Yeah, And I'm just going down this list of players 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:12.360 within the Cowboys team that has the most penalties, Tyler 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:15.160 Smith having the most so far this season with eight. 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:19.880 He has six offensive holding penalties and four fall start penalties. 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:22.760 That is, to me, on the job training. And I'm 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:24.800 not making excuses for him, but we hear that a 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:26.680 lot when it comes to this coaching staff is talking 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:30.600 about the on the job training. I think Tyler Smith 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:33.200 has held up his own very well this season, so 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:36.560 you know, to me, Okay, we're going to see that, 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:38.360 but this is the time of the season those things 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:41.760 need to start getting a little bit more hunkered down 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:42.520 on because. 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:43.480 It could have cost you a game. 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:46.560 Yeah, And I think what I really appreciated about Mike 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:49.680 McCarthy yesterday talking about penalties was he said, we went 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:53.560 through every single pre snap penalty that we have had 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:56.440 this season, and we watched it over and over again. 0:16:56.520 --> 0:16:59.040 So for me, I think the biggest question is how 0:16:59.040 --> 0:17:00.960 do you coach that? How do you fix that? What's 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:04.440 the solution? It's that it's it's that it is watching 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:07.320 and kind of just learning the muscle memory to not 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:10.880 make those mistakes anymore. So to me, Mike McCarthy's doing 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:13.200 his due diligence and making sure that it's taken care of. 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:16.800 It's just you have to execute. Yeah, a good way 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:17.240 to put it. 0:17:17.640 --> 0:17:21.280 I am disappointed that you guys didn't bring up Zach Martin's. 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:23.880 We did yesterday because it was blessed. 0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:25.840 Yeah, you can't pancake. 0:17:25.880 --> 0:17:28.680 I mean that's like, I know, it's one of those things. 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:32.240 Where is that a pancake or is it a hole? 0:17:32.400 --> 0:17:35.440 Everybody in the press everybody in the press box when 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:38.880 we saw the flag go out and we're like, oh, great, 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:41.280 another holding penalty, but when the announcer in the press 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:45.879 box was like holding on Zach Martin, everybody, I mean, 0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:47.800 if we all had water in our mouths. 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:50.120 We all would have spit it out. It was nuts. 0:17:52.359 --> 0:17:53.000 Take it back. 0:17:53.080 --> 0:17:54.000 So that was interesting. 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:57.280