1 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: What's up this way up? But Angela yee and this 2 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: is a blessing. Let me tell you something. It is 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: so exciting to have giby On here with us today. 4 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: You just had some huge announcements time. It was perfect because. 5 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 2: Perfect on the way, is it right before you walked 6 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 2: in here? 7 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 3: Yes, I announced my my sophomore album July eleven, I 8 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 3: love it beloved. 9 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: And we saw the promos because I was watching yesterday 10 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: and so I was trying to interpret it when it 11 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: came out of you know what, what is this like 12 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: this trailer where you're writing a letter? Yeah, and so 13 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: I guess this album we're gonna get more of a fail. 14 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: There's two singles out now, which we'll talk about. But 15 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: I was talking to Dan. 16 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 2: I was like, what do you think this means? Like 17 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 2: we were. 18 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: I was like, okay, he's in the phone booth, he's 19 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: making a phone call. The person's not answering. His interpretation 20 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: was that you felt like you were kind of alone 21 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: doing this. I also looked at it, all these microphones 22 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: in your face. I said, clearly, he don't like do interviews. 23 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: I want you to kind of break it down for 24 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: us because I'm going to see if we're both right, Well, I. 25 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 3: Want to try to break it down in a way 26 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 3: where I don't give too much okay away, because I 27 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:15,919 Speaker 3: do love the idea of like leaving stuff up for interpretation. 28 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 3: But if I had to be direct, there was so 29 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 3: I touched on me in the booth, and that was 30 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 3: also just like a simple trying to reach out to 31 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 3: no avail, but that could be to a person. That 32 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:37,279 Speaker 3: could be me trying to make something to connect with someone, 33 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 3: and sometimes it miss or they don't because it didn't 34 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 3: really say that no one was picking up. It just 35 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,759 Speaker 3: cut before they pick up. So it's like there's still 36 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 3: time for. 37 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 2: Someone, but there's a cigarette burning, so someone's not too. 38 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 3: Far like freshly burning. So it's like in the mics 39 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 3: and the flashes, is that is like my relationship with 40 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 3: all of this because it does get to a point 41 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 3: and they could but it's grateful. It's like it's a 42 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 3: it's a it's a balance because it's I appreciate it, 43 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 3: but also it could get overwhelming sometimes if it's like 44 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 3: something's not ready and people's like where is it right? Yeah, 45 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 3: but that's also a double meaning for relationships too, Like 46 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 3: sometimes it was like I was in something and I 47 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 3: wasn't ready for it, and I was being in your 48 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 3: twenties exactly, and it was like being forced out of me. 49 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 3: So it's it's a lot of that. 50 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 2: Oh okay, I like it. 51 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: Well, it looks beautiful. It very you know, just the 52 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: look of it though, it is amazing. I want to 53 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 1: ask you, because I know that you write all your music, 54 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: how involved like with the visuals? 55 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 2: How hands on are you with that part of it? 56 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 3: Yeah? So I have I have an amazing team who 57 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 3: has tastes and who knows how to I guess, execute 58 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 3: whatever ideas I have. So it's just like even with 59 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 3: that the trailer, I was just heavily influenced by film 60 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 3: now wir. It's just like black and white, certain frames, 61 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 3: shadow work. So then they would they were able to 62 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 3: pick that up and put it through my filter and 63 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 3: make it makes sense for me. So sometimes I'll just 64 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 3: have like something vague that I'm just moved by, and 65 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 3: I'll be like, I want to do something like this, 66 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 3: and they'll break down what that is and what it 67 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 3: looks like to even do it. So it's a it's 68 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 3: a it's a group effort, but I'm definitely involved with 69 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 3: how I want the story to be portrayed. 70 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: I saw you also had a five year anniversary for 71 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: your first EP. 72 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, that is. 73 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 2: Amazing that it's been. 74 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: Five years a minute already. It don't even feel like 75 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: it right. 76 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 3: It flew by especially. I think we also lost a 77 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 3: couple of years the pandemic, the pandemic, and I was 78 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 3: dropping every year, like I dropped something in twenty twenty, 79 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 3: twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two. And that's why I 80 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 3: was just like the last three years I spent working 81 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 3: on this. 82 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 2: I saw you said, like over a thousand days. 83 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, like real, please with me. So it's just like 84 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 3: like I could give you, I could give them something 85 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 3: half baked whenever, but it's just like it's a I 86 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 3: hope people appreciate the time it takes into making something. 87 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, even thinking about how you put out that first 88 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: project and it was a pandemic in twenty twenty, and 89 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: how did that affect things for you? 90 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 3: Well, luckily I was just like brand new and I 91 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 3: was fresh, so there wasn't It was kind of low 92 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 3: risk because that was my my my introduction. So I 93 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 3: was still in a building phase versus me having this 94 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 3: large core fan base and they doesn't even reach them 95 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 3: because of whatever's going on. Right, And we also had 96 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 3: the ideology that like people gonna be. 97 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 2: At home, Yeah, people at home listening. 98 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's not like I'm making like club anthems 99 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 3: and stuff like that. I'm making music where you have 100 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 3: to listen to the lyrics. 101 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 2: And a lot of people broke up during that time too, Yeah, because. 102 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 3: They start I didn't even think about that. Yeah, because 103 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 3: they start spending more time with people than they used to. 104 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 3: You're not going to work, y'all just in each other 105 00:04:57,800 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 3: face all day. 106 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 2: What were you doing during that time time? 107 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 3: I was like in between being single and being in relationships. 108 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 3: But I also took that time to just develop as 109 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 3: a writer. I was just making music, making music instead 110 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 3: trying to stay out the way, and I was doing 111 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 3: like like live college performances on like zoom. 112 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 2: It was weird, and making money from home. 113 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 3: But that was like before I went on tour. 114 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 2: That has to be a weird feeling too, because it's 115 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 2: before you went. 116 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, and artists usually their first usually because of the 117 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 3: expenses and everything, usually lose money. 118 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're spending money to go on to it because 119 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 2: it's promo. 120 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, So if I was getting paid to go at home, 121 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 3: they have to convince me, like, all right, now I'm 122 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 3: going tour. 123 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 2: I was like, for real, zoom from home. 124 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 3: And I'm like, wait, why am I going on tour? 125 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 3: And I'm like in the red and it's I just 126 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 3: didn't understand it because I was new. But then once 127 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 3: and I haven't toured my own tour at that point, 128 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 3: but then seeing the faces, hearing them singing, it's just crazy. 129 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,359 Speaker 3: It's like when in the NBA whenever playing in the 130 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 3: bubble versus actual arena, it's like way different. 131 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, that bubble was hard for people, even yeah, even 132 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: going to see comedians. I went to some drive up 133 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 1: comedy shows so they couldn't hear your reaction because everybody's 134 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: in their car listening. 135 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 3: Yeah that's different and beat. 136 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 2: The horn to laugh. 137 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: It was you know, yeah, but it does make you 138 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: appreciate the experience more because I think after that, it 139 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: was like I got to make sure I value these 140 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 1: relationships and face, you know face. But it also helped 141 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: us realize you don't have to be in person for meetings. Now, 142 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: I'm like, we can't just do a phone call because 143 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: everybody wants to zoom. 144 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 3: Right, everyone wants to zoom, but I also miss the 145 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 3: idea of just being in the room and being around people. 146 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 3: And that was a weird time too, because I'll be 147 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 3: zooming zooming is that what people call it. I just 148 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 3: said that I'll be on zoom and then I'll meet 149 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 3: somebody and I'll be like, nice to see you again. 150 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 3: It's like, no, we never met. Yeah, oh I thought 151 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 3: I met, So that was that was a crazy But 152 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 3: I was happy to be like the soundtrack for it 153 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 3: because a lot of people when they hear certain songs, 154 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 3: they were like, I remember during the pandemic. 155 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: Man, listen up here at iHeart, we played your music 156 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: so much. It was literally like every hour. And that's 157 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: not a very usual thing for a new artist, you know. 158 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: It's not something that normally would happen. That's like, okay, 159 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: new Beyonce, We're gonna play this every hour, new you know, 160 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: But for you, it was like literally constant rotation. 161 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 2: That's how much people were feeling you. 162 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 3: I loved that. I get so much love and support 163 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 3: from iHeart. I have an award at home from them. 164 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 3: I think it was like best new Artists, the best 165 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 3: New R and B one of these well deserved. 166 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you, it's definitely very. 167 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: Real, and you have such an unusual story because of 168 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: your talent. Just even the way when you first came 169 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: out that people were hearing about you going on tour 170 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 1: with like a snow Allegra and not even having full projects. 171 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 2: It's crazy. 172 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think she was just like she really was 173 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 3: a fan of just my voice, and it was just 174 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 3: she was just like, I gotta have you here somehow. 175 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 3: And I opened for so it was me another artist 176 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 3: and then so no, and I didn't have any music, 177 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 3: so I dropped the song the day up tour freestyle, Yeah, exactly, 178 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 3: but it was it was like I want you. I 179 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 3: have a song called like I Want You, done a 180 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 3: drop and then I did an unreleased song and not 181 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 3: on a cover, but I still had time left in 182 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 3: my set, so I was like, oh, I'm a just 183 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 3: freestyle in East City and Chicago was the first city. 184 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: Do you know how unusual that is? Like the way 185 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: that a lot of things have transpired for you. 186 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's like it's kind of catching up now 187 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 3: in the sense of there's a lot of steps I 188 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 3: skipped that I wish I didn't skip, because I was 189 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 3: just able to I would have been able to learn 190 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 3: certain things or navigate certain things, which I still can, 191 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:54,199 Speaker 3: but I just got to go backwards. 192 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,559 Speaker 1: Like what because I know you were discovered basically on SoundCloud, 193 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: not a lot of views on the SoundCloud, and got 194 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: signed off of that, which is like, come on, that 195 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: doesn't normally happen. 196 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 3: They wanted me to go and perform live at a 197 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 3: rehearsal studio to make sure my voice was real. 198 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: Your voice, I'm not gonna lie in the music. Your 199 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: voice don't sound real until this is how you really do. 200 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I would get that for so long and 201 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 3: I was just like, I love it too, because it's 202 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 3: like that means it's unique and it's distinctive. 203 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: You know how sometimes a new song comes out and 204 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: you hear it and you're like it could be this person, 205 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: this person or this person. We know your voice, and 206 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: so when you put something out, it's distinctively like oh okay, 207 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: no one sounds like you. 208 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. And I don't like the idea of everybody trying 209 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,079 Speaker 3: to sound the same because then we all just making 210 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 3: the same music. 211 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 1: Right, So how important is writing for you? Because I 212 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: know collaboration is important too. Yeah, but what's the balance 213 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: with that. 214 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 3: I think it's extremely vital to my authenticity. But that's right, 215 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 3: I don't like writing. I really I almost write because 216 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 3: I have to to get it out. But it it's 217 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 3: a it takes a lot out of me because I'm 218 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 3: going back to specific places and I'm literally visualizing it 219 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 3: and it's like I'm almost reliving those feelings and emotions again. 220 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,079 Speaker 2: And then performing it then too, then performing it. 221 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't really like like writing that much because 222 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 3: it's it's like, yeah. 223 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: But you think that it's you think you could with 224 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: the same emotion, sing and experience that's not yours. 225 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 3: Me personally, No, I can't because you'll you'll hear it. 226 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 3: By the way I deliver it, it's just not the 227 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 3: same because I'm visualizing like when I when I'm saying, 228 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,439 Speaker 3: and especially for my new album, it's a The vocal 229 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 3: delivery is like it's levels above my last album. 230 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 2: Wow. Okay, so you feel like you've outdone yourself? 231 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I've out done I've obliterated myself. I 232 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 3: think like I've destroyed anything I've made before this. 233 00:10:58,120 --> 00:10:58,839 Speaker 2: I love that. 234 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: So the first two songs already are smashes let's talk 235 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:05,719 Speaker 1: about twenties, Okay, okay, because in your twenties, you know, 236 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: I feel like that's the thing that we all say. 237 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: But I'm gonna be honest, I haven't heard men say 238 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: that as much as I've heard women say that that 239 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 1: I've wasted like all these years. 240 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of mean, like some stuff, if it 241 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 3: comes from a certain person, it's kind of like, why 242 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 3: you say that, don't say that. But it's like, I mean, yeah, 243 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 3: time is time. You could write the same song and 244 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:33,319 Speaker 3: say the same thing, right, But I mean, I don't 245 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 3: know if people will hear it, because they'll probably hear 246 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 3: this one already. But it's just like, you know, I 247 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 3: think point of view is important, and I was just 248 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 3: like even a state of R and B, it's we 249 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 3: have so much point of view from just the women's side. 250 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think men try to act unemotional. 251 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 3: I don't know why. 252 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:58,319 Speaker 1: You know, it's very few men that you could listen 253 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:01,839 Speaker 1: to and he's talking about the heartbreak that he went through, 254 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: or I wasted my time with her, or even you know, 255 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: just rather be with you than someone new. I felt 256 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,559 Speaker 1: like women stay in relationships a lot because of that, 257 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:14,079 Speaker 1: and we talk about it, and men do it, but 258 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: they don't express it. 259 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, because I know, I know a couple. I got 260 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 3: a couple of homies who were probably in something he 261 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 3: had no business being in. 262 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 2: But it's just like, do y'all talk about it? 263 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 1: Because I also felt like as women, we like talk 264 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:28,599 Speaker 1: about it, talk about it non stop. 265 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 3: We'll talk about it with me in the studio, okay 266 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 3: for the sake of this just the music, but like 267 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:38,319 Speaker 3: outside of the studio, I don't think we necessarily talk 268 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 3: about it. But that's one thing I want to push 269 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 3: to the forefront. Like I'm not numbing my emotions. I'm 270 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 3: not suppressing my emotions. I'm sensitive and emotional. So I 271 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 3: just want to make that more of a thing. Yeah, 272 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 3: I was just like a masculine thing too. It's not 273 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:58,719 Speaker 3: just it's also not healthy. 274 00:12:58,559 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 2: Toy, You're right. 275 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 3: So it's just like men, y'all need to y'all need 276 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 3: to cry a little more. We need to cry a 277 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 3: little more. 278 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 1: So it's interesting that in the studio you guys would 279 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: discuss real things because you're writing music, and so did 280 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 1: you film any of that stuff? 281 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 2: Because I feel like. 282 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 3: I have like voice, no voice, yeah, but like video, Yeah, 283 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 3: I have some of it too, but sometimes I can't. 284 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 3: I'll have to like it'll get too unfiltered and somebody 285 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 3: ended up start talking crazy about something. 286 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 2: I'm like, bro, you don't want to put it out, 287 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:30,079 Speaker 2: but I. 288 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 3: Know, but I would love to put it out so 289 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,199 Speaker 3: people could be like fly on the wall, yeah, or 290 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:38,079 Speaker 3: have what's the name coming here and do it the guy. 291 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: We was just talking about before, oh Ralp mcdanney, Yeah, 292 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: maybe chop it up for me listen. I think things 293 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: like that are powerful because I love that you said that, 294 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: because I do feel like for men, there's not enough spaces. 295 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: You know, we hear like the breakup songs. It's never 296 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: really like back in the day, it was kind of 297 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 1: like that. Remember haroldm Moving in the blue notes I 298 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 1: Miss You. He's like crying on the song Oh My. 299 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 3: Ever Away like Teddy was, he. 300 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 2: Was just drinking, drinking. 301 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 3: And I pulled from just this next album. I pulled 302 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 3: from that energy too. Just the delivery is just like, 303 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 3: oh man, because sometimes I'll be listening to Tuddy and 304 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 3: I was like, he ain't even singing. 305 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, he just he's telling you. 306 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 3: He's just talking and yelling it. But it feels like 307 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 3: it's just raw passion and raw emotion, and that's just 308 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 3: that's just what I'm That's the biggest takeaway that I 309 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 3: took from just like that era for this album. 310 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: I think when I see a lot of people commenting 311 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: when they listen to your music, that they related it 312 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 1: so much to something that happened in their life. 313 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 3: Yes, like that's like one of the biggest like things 314 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 3: that I see. I hear about my voice as well. 315 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 3: They love my voice, they love my tone, the velves 316 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 3: just velvety. But the biggest a lot of the I 317 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 3: guess notes and compliments come from my writing. 318 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, LOOKI makes us want to go through a breakup. 319 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 3: Just feel what I'm feeling. 320 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 2: I feel like everyone feels. 321 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 3: But yeah, I do want to keep that emphasis on 322 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 3: male just emotion. Like also girls love it. Oh god, 323 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 3: I was loving emotional man. It's not too like unhings. 324 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 3: But it's like if you if you han't a long 325 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 3: day and you come to your lady and be like 326 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 3: I had a long day and just lay on her lot. 327 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 3: What she loves that She's gonna rub your head and 328 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 3: she's gonna be like, he feels safe with me. 329 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: I want to now give you on Do you take 330 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: accountability for the things you do in relationships? 331 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I ain't gonna put it on WAD that's 332 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 3: another album. 333 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: Because I feel like you're talking about some smooth things 334 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: that you have going on. It's making me be like, Okay, 335 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: he ain't just getting his heart broke. He's doing some 336 00:15:59,120 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: heartbreaking too. 337 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. But it's also I was just right like to 338 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 3: set it up. Yeah, but no, but I think it 339 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 3: was also so I just turned thirty like four months ago, 340 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 3: and people are asking me like, how does it feel 341 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 3: to be thirty now, I'm like, it feels the same, 342 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 3: but I can't if it hasn't felt exactly the same. 343 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 3: There's just a level of awareness. So whenever if I 344 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 3: was when I was in the wrong with something, I 345 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 3: genuinely didn't know any better, okay, like or I just 346 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 3: I just thought it. I wasn't aware of what I 347 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 3: was doing. 348 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: Like in your twenties, like you said in the sound, 349 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: you were learning yourself yeah too. 350 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And that's why I say six years going 351 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 3: down to drain, I guess I'm half to blame. 352 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 2: Okay, that's accountability. You know, half of it is your. 353 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 3: Fault, half of it it takes two. 354 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: And you know, it's interesting because I feel like you've 355 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: been very private. 356 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 2: People don't know, like what's going on. 357 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: I haven't seen no girls like post on, you know, 358 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: and be like he did this to me. And somehow 359 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: you've managed to keep a lot of that under wraps people. 360 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: But people do get an idea, like through your music. 361 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: And it's interesting because I look at like Mary J. 362 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 1: Blige can't stand the fact that people want her to 363 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: keep getting her heart broke because they love the music 364 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: that she makes. When she's making those songs that are 365 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: about you know, this happens, this happened, this happened, and 366 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: we're like, oh my god, I love that song. Are 367 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 1: Tony Braxton having a classic album Amy Winehouse, Yeah, you 368 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 1: know all of those great songs come through from some 369 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: type of pain. 370 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:35,400 Speaker 3: Yeah. And it's just like, and I being in his position, 371 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 3: I understand that because sometimes it's like a it's therapeutic 372 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 3: when you're writing a song. So it's like you not 373 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:48,439 Speaker 3: really writing or making something therapeutic when you're already feeling 374 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 3: good and when you're happy, like you lost in it. 375 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 3: But there is there is a way to add certain 376 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 3: I guess emotions and feelings that are not somber like 377 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 3: I don't. I don't know if I'll ever just write 378 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 3: like a I Love you song like that, and it 379 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,439 Speaker 3: have to be through my way otherwise it'll feel just 380 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 3: like contrived and I'm making it so somebody could be like. 381 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: Oh, this is a I love a wedding song, right 382 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: because songs, and you're like, oh, that's perfect for a wedding. 383 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, I don't know how to make music for people. 384 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 3: I only know how to express myself, okay, and then 385 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 3: either people connect with it or they don't. 386 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,640 Speaker 1: What do you think it is like in relationships that, 387 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: like you said you were learning in your twenties, yeah right, 388 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 1: But what is it that like does hasn't connected? 389 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 2: Like? 390 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: What are some of the themes that you see and 391 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 1: things that haven't worked out for you? 392 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 3: I grew up in a very I don't want to 393 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 3: say aggressive to make it seem like it was just 394 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:53,439 Speaker 3: like a hard nosed, rough household. But I grew up 395 00:18:53,440 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 3: in a very masculine, overly assertive household. And you can't 396 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 3: talk to I mean, I'm sure you can't talk to 397 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 3: men like that, but you for show can't talk to 398 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 3: women like that. Even if it's like you feel like 399 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 3: you're right or you're a misunderstood. It's still there's just 400 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 3: a way to speak. So I think my lack of 401 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 3: communicating not lack of communicating because I wasn't saying anything 402 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 3: but my delivery. I think it always would get me 403 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:33,679 Speaker 3: into a place where I'm just it'll make something bigger 404 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:34,439 Speaker 3: than what it have to be. 405 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 2: Give me an example, if it's like. 406 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 3: If let's say I'm dating someone and she's like, she's like, 407 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 3: you didn't text me for before you went to bed 408 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 3: or something like that, and I genuinely would me knowing like, 409 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 3: oh I was, I was just tired. I fell asleep, 410 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 3: And if that's not enough, my bad, I'm sorry I 411 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,120 Speaker 3: went to sleep. Then it's going to be like, well 412 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:12,199 Speaker 3: you still could I'm like I would be like I 413 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 3: just said, like I just said, oh sorry, like why 414 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 3: am I Now we're about to go on the blo 415 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,439 Speaker 3: and I'll just get riled up. But now I'll probably 416 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:23,120 Speaker 3: be like like, we don't I understand where you're coming from, 417 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 3: but I'm sorry, I didn't mean it. Like It'll just 418 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,360 Speaker 3: be a lot more and then that'll make her be like. 419 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 2: Okay, maybe so maybe you get defensive. 420 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 3: I would get defensive, and I would like, I would 421 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 3: get more annoyed because I know that I would get defensive. 422 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 3: So I'll try to. 423 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,120 Speaker 2: Tell you the truth. And you're like, I said this. 424 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,120 Speaker 1: I don't want to have to keep on explaining it 425 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: instead of saying, I know it's hard to date somebody 426 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 1: like me. 427 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 3: And see, that's a good one. I'm sorry work went 428 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 3: late and work. 429 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,679 Speaker 1: Went late and so yes, but and you're right, it 430 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 1: is a lot of times delivery and communication because it 431 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 1: probably isn't easy to date somebody like you. 432 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 3: No, no, but I know what would make it difficult, 433 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 3: And I think the main thing would be the delivery, 434 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 3: and because we wouldn't even get to that point if 435 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 3: my boundaries don't work for you. If so, I can 436 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 3: establish boundaries and be like, this is my schedule, this 437 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 3: is I don't I don't like texting, I really don't. 438 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 2: You really don't you like voice notes? Thoff? 439 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 3: I like voice notes? 440 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 2: Or send me a voice note before. 441 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 3: Well, let's just get on FaceTime. Yeah. 442 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 1: So it's just like, although FaceTime could be a thing 443 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: for women, sometimes we'd be like to get ready, Yeah, 444 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: I gotta get ready for FaceTime. 445 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 3: The eye I'm like, where is your face? 446 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 2: Look at the ceiling? 447 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 3: While yeah, I'm like all right, so yeah, But I'm 448 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 3: also still finding the answers, and I also learn it 449 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 3: through songwriting. I'm still kind of navigating, like why doesn't. 450 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:53,160 Speaker 2: This work right? 451 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: And look, let's bring that to the other song that 452 00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: you have out from the new album Beloved, because I 453 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:04,199 Speaker 1: love this song rather be but it is in a 454 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: way because I was trying to look at it from 455 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 1: both sides, because a lot of times we do feel 456 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: like that I'd rather be in this situation I'm comfortable 457 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: with being in even though this is not you tell 458 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,400 Speaker 1: me your thoughts, because I look at it like sometimes 459 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: we stay in something that maybe we shouldn't because it's 460 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 1: better than the unknown. 461 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, and not uncertainty. But even as I grow, 462 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 3: I think I was writing that from a place of 463 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 3: whatever flaws that I'm happening in this one. It was 464 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 3: happening so many times that I'm just gonna be like, oh, 465 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 3: this is always gonna happen no matter what relationship. 466 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 1: I mean, see, there's a thing that's how I'm saying, 467 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: what is it that is a common thing that you 468 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 1: see in things and relationships that don't work for you, 469 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: so it keeps on happening. 470 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 3: At some point, I gotta be like, at some point, 471 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 3: I'm just like, wait, hold on, why is the same 472 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,880 Speaker 3: thing happening? And then it could be hopeless about love, 473 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 3: like this ain't gonna ever work. And I think that's 474 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 3: like what thirty is about accountability. 475 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 2: Okay, we like that, yea. 476 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: And the album is called Beloved, and so, like we 477 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 1: said when we saw the trailer for the album, it's 478 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: a letter. So this is a letter to someone, Okay, 479 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: so break it, break it down a little for me. 480 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 2: I know you don't like to give everything, but. 481 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 3: I will say without giving it away. I wanted it 482 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:29,919 Speaker 3: to feel like a letter to the listener, almost like 483 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 3: they're just this is what I've been going, this is 484 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 3: where I've been, and this is just here's the story 485 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 3: if you're wondering where I've been at. And it's also 486 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 3: I'm just a big fan on multiple of multiple meanings 487 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 3: as well, so Beloved, Beloved, it's like it's a lot 488 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 3: of it's a lot going. 489 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:52,239 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so tell me because I only have these 490 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: two songs, and I know we're tight live because July 491 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: eleventh is a date seven eleven. You can remember it 492 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,119 Speaker 1: that way and you can pre order it now, right, Yes, 493 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: So kind of on this album, what's the because I 494 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 1: know everything you do has been very like kind of 495 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 1: tied together and cohesive. So with this album, what is 496 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,679 Speaker 1: it that we're seeing? You talk about growth and you're 497 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: saying you really outdone yourself. So what are some things 498 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: that we can see? Like, what are some of the differences. 499 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: What is some of the growth? 500 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:23,439 Speaker 3: I think immediately is the the sonics of the album. 501 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 3: Everything is played live. It's just all one band just 502 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 3: played the whole album, so you're going to hear that 503 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 3: that organic it's going to be. It's so soulful because 504 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 3: it's just raw and real. It was like jam sessions 505 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 3: and we were like, okay, that's the sound right there, Okay, 506 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 3: and then I'll just I'll come and work on it. 507 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 3: So it's just like it flows in. I think my 508 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 3: vocal delivery is a really big thing. That's like I 509 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 3: just invoke the exact emotion of the song or whatever 510 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:03,199 Speaker 3: it is that I'm talking about. And I think this 511 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 3: is just a sound I've always been I've always wanted 512 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 3: to make, but I wasn't ready yet because one I 513 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 3: didn't have the taste that I want yet, and I 514 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 3: didn't have the experience. 515 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 2: Ring fast for you, like you said. 516 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 3: Exactly, so I didn't even get to sit back and 517 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 3: like process it. So I would. I remember trying to 518 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 3: make these song type of songs before and something wasn't connecting. 519 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,439 Speaker 3: But it's because I wasn't singing from a real place. 520 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 3: It wasn't coming from like a real raw experience for real, 521 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 3: Like I have stories that I could try to have 522 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:42,120 Speaker 3: that I can try to like I want to say, 523 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 3: pool from that experience, but no, I have to go 524 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 3: through that exact experience because when I'm singing, I'm visualizing 525 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 3: it happen, and I'm just like like if like if 526 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 3: I'm there's a song where my eyes are frowned up, 527 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 3: you can hear. 528 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 2: That, yeah, oh I love that. 529 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I can hear that. You're be able to 530 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,400 Speaker 3: hear my facial expressions and just like my body language 531 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 3: in the music. 532 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like I don't know people who are 533 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,880 Speaker 1: really doing music like that now and the way that 534 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: you're expressing yourself. 535 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've also learned that it's difficult, and now I 536 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 3: don't know how many people can do that because it's 537 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 3: still it's a real craft that you have to work 538 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 3: on and build the taste and build up your vocal 539 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 3: ability as well. 540 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: And you said it's been Obviously people have been waiting, 541 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 1: and it's a gift and a curse. Like you said, 542 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 1: people are, where's the album? What's going on? And obviously 543 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 1: they're anxious, And like you said, you put things out 544 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,399 Speaker 1: every year, but then you took this break of putting 545 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:45,120 Speaker 1: out a full album. So how many songs you must 546 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: have done? Are you the type of person that does 547 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 1: a lot of songs and then. 548 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 3: You have to figure around I love this question. I'm 549 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 3: not a vault artist. Okay, my album is fourteen songs. 550 00:26:55,400 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 3: I probably made like like seven. Oh wow, yeah, because 551 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 3: I just I love every single. I love everything I'm 552 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 3: making because it's I'm not making it until it's ready 553 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 3: to go, like it has. It has to like pour 554 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 3: out of me. Otherwise I'm just like feel like I'm 555 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 3: pulling teeth like the twenties, rather be like them them 556 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 3: just those wrote themselves, right. 557 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:23,399 Speaker 2: It feels like it. 558 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: And you know earlier you had with your project where 559 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:29,640 Speaker 1: you it was kind of a letter to your mother 560 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: in a way, like with the voice notes to kind 561 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: of direct us along the way. 562 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,639 Speaker 3: It was that last album was just like a conversation 563 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 3: between me and her. 564 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 1: So I want to ask you this, does your mom 565 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 1: hear the music? Like when do you send it to her? 566 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 1: Do you send her this song by song? Do you 567 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,919 Speaker 1: wait till it's like I want you to listen to 568 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:47,680 Speaker 1: the whole project? 569 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 3: You know, it's funny this I asked, like my family 570 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:56,919 Speaker 3: and my friends, and they like, before they want it, 571 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 3: but now they're like they've been fans of me, but 572 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,640 Speaker 3: they are really fans of me, so they're like, no, 573 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,879 Speaker 3: I don't want it. I don't want it yet. I 574 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 3: want to hear the album when it drops with everybody else, 575 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,880 Speaker 3: because they're like, give on fans. 576 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 2: It's funny, that's great. 577 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, my mom is funny with her voice notes. 578 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,880 Speaker 1: And you're like, you're like she never thought that all 579 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 1: this was going to happen with her son either. 580 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I have a funny story about that because 581 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 3: she said that year one and I was like, that's 582 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 3: that's cute, mom, that's good. Here. Two, I'm like, yeah, 583 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 3: I can't believe this. You're three and four. I'm like, 584 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 3: all right, you and two, you're too shocked. Year five, 585 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 3: I'm like, what. 586 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 2: What what are you trying to? Nothing? Surprised you? 587 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, She's like you, oh man, it's crazy. 588 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 2: It's your mom. 589 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 1: Like my mom, like she goes places and tells people 590 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: that you're her son. 591 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 3: She she she learned real quick not to do. 592 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 1: That, okay, because my parents would be calling me like, hey, 593 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: the person of the supermarket wants to say hi. 594 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 2: I'm like, yea to hew, do they know who you are? 595 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 3: Right? They like? Because people was like she didn't like 596 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 3: the attention, and I was like, yeah, you better stop. 597 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, because they will be like can you give your 598 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 2: son this? 599 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 3: I sing too and right she I remember when it 600 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 3: was early, early she would be in the comments. I'm like, 601 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:14,479 Speaker 3: you better get up out of there. 602 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're gonna follow you. They're gonna harass. 603 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 3: They don't lose. The internet is. 604 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 2: Just oh you don't want to be Yeah. 605 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 3: She will try to like defend certain stuff. 606 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's the worst too, because you know they're looking. Still. 607 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 1: She may not be, but she's still gonna look. And 608 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 1: sometimes things bother me because they see it more than 609 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 1: if I see it. I can give it, but they 610 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: see it and they get so bad as her kid. 611 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 3: Talking about so it's probably like I'm just like, I 612 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 3: just laugh at her, like, don't you been not? But 613 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 3: she don't really check do. 614 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 1: A lot of your music, even in the past come 615 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: so it comes from real things. 616 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 2: So you were you engaged before? 617 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 3: Oh? That one on Holy Matrimony. 618 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 2: Oh that one? 619 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 3: It was No, I wasn't engaged before, but I was 620 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,479 Speaker 3: in a long thing that I was like consider stuff 621 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 3: and that was like pretty much writing a song about 622 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 3: like I would have had to because it ended before 623 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 3: an engagement. But it was like a I would have 624 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 3: had to end. I rather end the relationship boyfriend, girlfriend 625 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 3: than in like a marriage or I'm just like so 626 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 3: that was like a yo. Imagine if I felt like 627 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 3: this while I was married. I was just like, oh wow, what. 628 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 2: Are your thought time? Marriage? Is that something that you're 629 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 2: like in the future? I do want to. 630 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I love marriage. I think it's just like I 631 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 3: just have. My grandma and my grandpa were married for 632 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 3: like forty years, fifty years. Oh wow, Yeah, my uncle 633 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 3: uncle Tony Pepper married. Yeah. I grew up around marriage. 634 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 3: I will say I've seen a lot of marriages and there, yeah, 635 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 3: we all have. So it's just like it's tricky. I wouldn't. 636 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 3: I would never be the type to be like, ye'all 637 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 3: should get married, because I'm like, it's hard. 638 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 1: I support anybody that wants to get married, but I'm 639 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 1: not going to try to tell you what you need 640 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: to do. 641 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 3: I'm also not big on telling anybody to do anything. 642 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 3: I'm just like, I don't do what you I don't care, 643 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 3: like I'm not paying your bills, I'm not feeding you, 644 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 3: I'm not doing anything. That's how I was raised. If 645 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 3: somebody not paying your bills at in your house, cleaning up, 646 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 3: why do they even hold any weight for what they 647 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 3: have to say about what you can do for your life? 648 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: Like what if one of your friends was about to 649 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 1: marry somebody and you didn't think they should. 650 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 3: Oh, I'm gonna tell them or her. Nah, it depends. 651 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 2: You'd be like, listen to this song. 652 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it depends what you're from it. Because I've 653 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 3: been in situations where I'm like, people don't play about that, yeah, 654 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 3: like they don't play. Some people were like you think, 655 00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 3: so okay, I won't like nah, I don't think it 656 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 3: works like that. It's gonna be Yeah, they gonna get 657 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 3: married anyway. And then there's gonna be like a you 658 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 3: don't like them, so it's just gonna be I'm just 659 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 3: be like, do what you. 660 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 1: Gotta do now as I'm asking you about previous songs 661 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 1: and things that are true or not true. 662 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 2: Lie again? M hm. 663 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 1: So are you the type of person in a relationship 664 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 1: that will lie because it's easier. 665 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 3: Used to be? Okay, So because I thought it would, 666 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 3: I thought it would help. But then I'm just like, 667 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 3: it's just gonna come back up, or it's just gonna 668 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 3: make you feel off, because then a lie is one 669 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 3: lie is never one lie. 670 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 2: Right, and then you got to remember it later, And 671 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 2: just like I said, like yeah, just. 672 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 3: Like but that was I wrote that well, like, yeah, 673 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 3: three years ago, I was a lot more like I 674 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 3: think insecure about certain things will be the best way 675 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 3: to put it. Yeah, very insecure about someone's past. If 676 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 3: it was like too crazy, just like, oh that's interesting. 677 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 1: So you don't feel that way anymore about somebody. You 678 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:07,479 Speaker 1: want to know someone's past, and you wouldn't look at 679 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 1: that as a negative. 680 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, Because at that time I was a lot more 681 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 3: green as well, because I didn't have a past. I 682 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 3: was in a long term relationship and I was in 683 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 3: single for not that long, so when it here and that, 684 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,720 Speaker 3: it's like it's like, oh, you was out here living 685 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 3: like but now it's like now you have a path. Yes, 686 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 3: now I have a past. So I'm like, I think 687 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 3: it's it's more of like a an ego thing of like, 688 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 3: but also it's just it depends on how mature the 689 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,239 Speaker 3: the person with the past is. If it seems like 690 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 3: somebody who could who still haven't outgrown that or outpaced that, 691 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 3: it still could feel like, yeah, like I don't trust 692 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 3: something that. 693 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 1: I need your mentality to be right. Yeah, I think 694 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 1: is what it is. And then I know who you're 695 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 1: gonna end up dating. This is gonna be so interesting 696 00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 1: when you pop out. 697 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 3: I don't I'm I'm first, I will. I mean, I'm 698 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 3: not gonna never say never, but it's just people are 699 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 3: so in people's business. 700 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,760 Speaker 2: Yes they are, And don't let nobody see you outside 701 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,399 Speaker 2: on a date. It's gonna be like. 702 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 3: And then it's just like, Okay, if I'm dating somebody 703 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,240 Speaker 3: and then I go to lunch with my female friend, 704 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 3: that's gonna be a whole story. 705 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 2: Right, it will. So I'm just like, why not just 706 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 2: now it's crazy? 707 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 3: Oh, I just move quiet. 708 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,239 Speaker 2: I'm just like nope, ninjam hmm. 709 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:31,839 Speaker 3: It's stealthy, stealthy, but that's what I also like to say. 710 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 3: I live in like a sweet pocket of like like 711 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 3: fame or celebrity, because I'm not really putting myself in 712 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 3: positions that will make me more like famous. 713 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,720 Speaker 2: You're not trying to be on the blogs. 714 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, because business it's gonna it's gonna bleed into other 715 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 3: areas of my life that I don't want it to 716 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 3: bleed into. But the only downside is I want to 717 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 3: the way these songs touch people and like the way 718 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,359 Speaker 3: they'll be crying and telling me a song help them. 719 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm also. 720 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:04,840 Speaker 2: Wanting to tell your story so they could know. 721 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's somebody because I'm not moving around maybe a 722 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 3: little more. That's somebody who haven't heard a song from 723 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:12,800 Speaker 3: me that would comfort them. 724 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 2: Right. 725 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,879 Speaker 1: I do like the mystique of you, though, I think 726 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 1: I think it works for you. It works because the 727 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:23,839 Speaker 1: music does really speak for itself, and so in this situation, yes, 728 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 1: I think you're good. 729 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. Like even on social media, if i'm I'll post 730 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 3: you know, I throw like a little me drinking a 731 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 3: manta or a fit pick or something. They'll be like, yeah, yeah, yeah, 732 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 3: where is the music. 733 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,239 Speaker 1: I'm like, well, like they do that to you, they 734 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:38,359 Speaker 1: do that to Rihanna. 735 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 3: It's a good company to I'm much rather that than 736 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,439 Speaker 3: I post the music and they like they don't care, 737 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,399 Speaker 3: like they just want to see my face. Yeah, So 738 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 3: it's just like I picked them being like yeah, yeah. 739 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well listen, I appreciate you. I know you've got 740 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 1: a ton of things that you're doing. But now that 741 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 1: we're friends, next time, I'm gonna get more into your 742 00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,439 Speaker 1: business and I'll tell you Okay. 743 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,000 Speaker 3: I feel like you give great like relationship advice. 744 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,920 Speaker 2: I don't know you do well, thank you. I appreciate that. 745 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 3: The way you reacted, well. 746 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:08,399 Speaker 2: No, you know what it is. 747 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,839 Speaker 1: So the reason why I've been giving advice up here 748 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,440 Speaker 1: on Assi a lot. But I also have a lot 749 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,120 Speaker 1: of male and female friends, so I've heard it all. 750 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,840 Speaker 1: So I'm very non judgmental. But I also feel like 751 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 1: I could just based off of meeting you today and 752 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,279 Speaker 1: hearing the music, I can see a little bit of 753 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 1: you know, you're thirty now, yeah, so you can't. I 754 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 1: think the twenties is a fun time to make mistakes 755 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,359 Speaker 1: and you have to learn and grow from them. And 756 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: so I get that from you. And like you're saying, 757 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,439 Speaker 1: this is your album, so you know, don't let me down. 758 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 1: I'm kidding, but beloved or beloved beloved, it's just on. 759 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, to play on both of them. Well, I can't wait. 760 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 2: Any guests appearances we should know about. 761 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:49,720 Speaker 3: I want to do this one by myself. 762 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,960 Speaker 2: The whole album is by yourself. Yeah, okay, we like it. 763 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 3: I love doing it. My mom not even knowing it. 764 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 3: What Yeah, she was shying the same voice notes all 765 00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:58,439 Speaker 3: you God. 766 00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:59,480 Speaker 2: She's like, look, you gotta wait with that one. 767 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're gonna have to come play the bass or guitar. 768 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 2: All right, Well, thank you so much for coming through. 769 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 1: I so appreciate it, and I cannot wait for the 770 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 1: new project and just congratulations and everything. Honestly so excited 771 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 1: that you came here because, like I said, you're mystique. 772 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 2: I know you don't go everywhere, so I appreciate you. 773 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 3: Yes, no, thank you, thank you for having me. And 774 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,359 Speaker 3: I'm excited for you to hear what I mean by 775 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:23,360 Speaker 3: I think I I'll do myself. 776 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 2: Okay, I can't wait. 777 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:27,719 Speaker 3: Wa