1 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: Browns fans welcome into another edition of the best podcast available, 2 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: presented by a Cross Country Mortgage. Coming to you live 3 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 1: from the Cross Country Mortgage Campus Nathan Sigura, Sir Andrew Gribble, 4 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: filling in for Gibe while he is on vacation today 5 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: and joining us to kick the show off as we 6 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 1: get ready for our combined preview edition of the b 7 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 1: p A. Brown's assistant offensive line coach Scott Peters coach, 8 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: It's great to have you here. Great to be here. 9 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 1: I mean we were talking before we got on the pot. Though. 10 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: You and I have a lot of similarities Bay Area kids, 11 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 1: eight born, and then our past diverged considerably as you 12 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: go on to be a major Division one college athlete, 13 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 1: a professional athlete in the National Football League. But when 14 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: you think about your journey and you think about, you know, 15 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 1: going back to thinking about going to the Combine, what 16 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: was kind of going through your mind at that time. Gosh, 17 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: it's a while ago, but we you know, it was 18 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: just I was fortunate enough to have a good place 19 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: to train at that time. I think, uh, you know, 20 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: most of the guys were just training at their colleges 21 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: or you know, with random people or even at like 22 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: a Gold's gym. So I was. I was at a 23 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 1: place called Athletes Performances exos now, and they had good 24 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: information for us, so we we really had the full 25 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: experience and kind of had a good game plan to 26 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:16,839 Speaker 1: know what to expect. So I was, I was fortunate 27 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 1: in that way as an offensive lineman. How much stuff 28 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: did you do during that period of time that you 29 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:25,479 Speaker 1: then never had to do again? Thank god? I mean 30 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 1: it was like it's like it's like an audition and 31 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: not an audition like a pageant more so than anything else. 32 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:31,759 Speaker 1: You know, you did things that you you never do again. 33 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 1: So but they told me they you know, we knew that, 34 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: and son even down to the point they said, hey, 35 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 1: make sure you guys go get a sun tan so 36 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 1: you look healthier. I mean there's like little things, little 37 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 1: little yeah, tricks of the trade. Right, So six three 38 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: you say you're currently two eight five you are a 39 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: behemoth chisel lattice stone. You're bigger? Then you say, yes, 40 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: tipping over three pounds was in fact about the combine. 41 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: I was, well, it was not that much bigger. I 42 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: had to be. I wanted to maintain a lower body fat, 43 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: so I waited in at three hundred even, and I 44 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: remember a gallon of water is about eight pounds, so 45 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: I was really it was a goal to be three 46 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: d pounds at the way in and I was just 47 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: that three hundred pounds, but I was really like two 48 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: two because I mean I had to wait and you 49 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: know your back teeth floating. That was me. And then 50 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:17,519 Speaker 1: then a line waiting to win because I was like, 51 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 1: I think it's bad, but I wanted to make sure 52 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: I hit that three hundred pounds, you know, so but yeah, 53 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: that was one other trick of the trade. Try to 54 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: weigh in heavy and run light, you know, very smart. 55 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: And now today you mentioned you know, you got everybody 56 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: the second they signed with an agent there immediately going 57 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: to a training program to get ready to do these combines, 58 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: specific events that they hope will boost their drafts. And 59 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: it try to you know, maximize your speed and all 60 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: your those kinds of things that learn how to run 61 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: a sprint, which is something that I never learned how 62 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: to do. Teach you what choose to wear, you know 63 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: what to eat, and when it's it's it's a lot 64 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: of detail. And then when you're now in your position, 65 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: like what's what's the way that aligneman can impress at 66 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: a at a commy outside of the numbers. But what's 67 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: the way that you can really impos just the movement 68 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: kind of watching the movement in the in the individual 69 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:06,079 Speaker 1: drills and seeing like how they move because sometimes the 70 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: measurables don't always mean that the guy's real dynamic as 71 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: an athlete, So it's just kind of watching the dynamic 72 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: movements and then the individual drills. You know, the skill 73 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 1: specific drills is one for sure. How would you change 74 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: if you they said they came to you said, Scott, 75 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: we want you to design exactly what you would want 76 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 1: to see from offensive alignment at the combine. Is there 77 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: are there any changes to the drills or anything that 78 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: you would personally want to see that you think would 79 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: would be useful and identifying the guys that can actually 80 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: do this at the most elite level, well, obviously we're 81 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: a little selfish and self centered when we think about 82 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: we want them to do what we want to do 83 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: with the Browns, right, So these are these guys kind 84 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: of system fits for us. I mean there's drills we 85 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: would want to be able to do to kind of 86 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: see that to show that for sure, But I think 87 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: a lot of the drills, and I was always perplexed 88 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: when I was When I was going through it, I'm like, well, 89 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: we'll never do this drill. This is not even a 90 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: football drill, but it's a football coach teaching it. And 91 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: I thought, well, maybe it's because they're trying to teach 92 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: something random and new to see how guys like kind 93 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: of respond to new information, which is again kind of 94 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: another test. But yeah, there were some things that were done, 95 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: like backpedaling, getting up off the ground and running and 96 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: flipping your hips. I'm like, I've never done this before. 97 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: It never will, but you know, you're just seeing kind 98 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 1: of how guys move, you know. So um, but yeah, 99 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 1: in terms of like, you know, stuff to kind of 100 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: assess strength and power, which isn't always indicative of bench press, right, 101 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:25,919 Speaker 1: that doesn't always tell the whole story. But I like 102 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 1: to get to feel what a guy feels like if 103 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: he's got some strength in his hands and things like that, 104 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 1: I probably want to see that. So you are, and 105 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: and for people who are are just getting to hear 106 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:36,919 Speaker 1: you for the first time, you are a master of 107 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 1: understanding leverage and understanding you know, as you've shown me 108 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: how you. The position of your thumb can change how 109 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: your bone stack, which can change your ability to exert 110 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: force on something or to absorb force on something. How 111 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: fun is that for you when you get some of 112 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:52,799 Speaker 1: these guys who have probably never even heard of that stuff, 113 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 1: and you're able to apply it with these great athletes, 114 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: and in this case the combine, it would be taking 115 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: guys who have for sure probably not heard any of 116 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: this and seeing how you were able to apply those things. 117 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 1: You know, it's fun to teach guys, and it's fun 118 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 1: to watch them, like use them, use these methods, and 119 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: then by that time I can't. I'm like, they're too 120 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 1: dangerous to touch me. Now you're too strong. But yeah, 121 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 1: subtle manipulations of the bio biomechanics are huge um to 122 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 1: to operate an optimal integrity of your body, so you 123 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: can kind of really generate the maximum I'm not a 124 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: force with the greatest degree of control, And I gotta 125 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: tell you, nobody knows how to do this intuitively. I mean, 126 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 1: some guys might over time, but but just to be 127 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 1: able to teach those things that because usually it was like, 128 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 1: hey man, hit that guy as hard as you can 129 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: that it didn't work out, so you better go lift 130 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: more weights, you know. But there's really more to that 131 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: obviously with with mechanics. And so if you can get 132 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 1: all those all the stars aligned with you get the 133 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: best athletes, the biggest, most powerful guys, um, and you 134 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 1: teach them the right the best mechanics, and you're gonna 135 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: have a good result. From your perspective, what are you 136 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: looking for in like the interview room with these guys, 137 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: like what do you what what makes you excited about 138 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: a guy or what makes you a little concerned? You know, 139 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: one thing that makes you excited? Just is it if 140 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: their passion is conveys in those meetings, you know, to 141 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 1: to see they love the game. Um. Another thing is 142 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: like just kind of their knowledge of foundational knowledge understanding 143 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: of the game. And and then it's very you know, 144 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 1: it varies. It doesn't mean some players don't have exposure 145 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: to it. Um. But can they learn you know, and 146 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: and are they are they intelligent? And uh, can they 147 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: communicate well and and do the there's a there's a 148 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 1: passion of the game convey and their their meeting. How 149 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: big of a challenge is it for I'm sure it's 150 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: different even from when you played but that now you 151 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: have so many teams in college that run these spreads. 152 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: Everybody's looking to the sideline, everybody's getting their assignments, and 153 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 1: they're doing it as opposed to the NFL game, where 154 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: you're making adjustments on the fly based on the looks 155 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: of the defense, checking out a certain things, based on 156 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: their rotations, the way that they're lined up, the techniques 157 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: they're playing up in front of you. How does that impact, 158 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: you know, how quickly a guy can get up the speed? 159 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 1: It's you're right, I think it's it's it's most players, 160 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: most players coming from college probably came from a system 161 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: like that, where you know, it's, um, it's not as 162 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: complex obviously as the NFL. So if you had come 163 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:02,559 Speaker 1: from a program that was more of a pro style, 164 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: it's it's in the light's a leg up. But but 165 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: pretty much everybody's got to learn. It's a new game here. 166 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: You know, it's a different game. It's like checkers and chess, 167 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: you know, really, because you've got to see how how 168 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: quickly you can learn and adapt and not just to 169 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: the to the the actual schematics, but to the techniques 170 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: as well, and to the to the you know, the talent, 171 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: the talent difference, and then working with the scouts here, 172 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: what's it been like relationship wise, getting getting to know 173 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: how they're evaluating players and kind of seeing what letting 174 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: them know what you guys really want in these places. 175 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: I mean it's great. It's very open um. You know, 176 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: a lot of communication goes on there because you know everybody, well, 177 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: if you want to be looking at through the same 178 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: set of eyes, if you can, you know, it's important 179 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: that everybody's on board with that, and you know everybody's 180 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: clear on what we're trying to do. Um. And once 181 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: you know what you're trying to do, and it's pretty 182 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: easy to kind of find those people that fit. All right, 183 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: let's talk about you and Bill Callahan together as a group. 184 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: So you look, you guys come walking down the hall together. 185 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: Very different from a physical appearance standpoint. He's been around 186 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: for forever, a man master offensive linemen, they call him. 187 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: And then you come in and provide. You know, you 188 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: played in the in the league, You've got kind of 189 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: these techniques and about as you talk about functional power, 190 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: the integrity of your body, using phrases I've never heard 191 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: before I talk to you, but I love it. How 192 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: has that kind of relationship been in with you guys 193 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: coming at you know, same goal, but different ways of 194 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: helping the players get there. Well, I'm just you know, 195 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: Bill is the ultimate teacher mentor coach, um and just 196 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: a great person. So I'm fortunate to have the opportunity 197 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: to to work with Bill daily and it's it's a blessing. So, 198 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I love it and we have a great 199 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 1: relationship and uh man, it's uh. I don't believe there's 200 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: a better coach in the in the game than Bill 201 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: at the at the position. So um, I'm extremely fortunate 202 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: to be able to learn from him. And I think 203 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: some of the things that I was exposed to in 204 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: jiu jitsu and other you know, as a player, Um, 205 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 1: I can bring some value in that regard. But uh, 206 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: but you know, a coach, he's got it all figured 207 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 1: out well and you're getting to work with them, learn 208 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: from And then you got an opportunity at the Shrine 209 00:08:57,559 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: game to go have your own room as an often 210 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: the line coach. How was that experience? That was a 211 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: really good experience for me. Um, you know, being able 212 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: to do it, I mean, coach, it gives me a 213 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 1: lot of opportunity here to work with the guys, but 214 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: but they're to be like fully in charge, and um 215 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: it was good. It was a really good experience for 216 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: me and had a lot of fun doing it. What 217 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: what do you in that kind of situation where you're 218 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:17,719 Speaker 1: working with a bunch of guys who are trying to 219 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: show their best stuff for Scot's what is your role 220 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: in kind of setting them up for that success? And 221 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: then well, frankly I didn't know what to expect. We 222 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 1: got there and I'm like, well, who are these guys? 223 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,319 Speaker 1: You have no idea? I'm like, these are these alignment 224 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: but offensive lignement? Right? Okay, great, Well what position do 225 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: you play? So I I didn't There was no depth 226 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: chart to start. We didn't know where anybody fit. Um, 227 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: I just ask guys like, well, what did you play 228 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 1: and and what and what are you open to playing 229 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: other positions? Kind of I want to know if if 230 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: guys are open to play in other positions, because in 231 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: the NFL, you know, if you dress seven or eight 232 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: players on the offensive line, it's not like college where 233 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: you get all these other guys. You can't specially if 234 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: you're not a starter, you don't specialize in one position. 235 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: You gotta play multiple positions. So that was that was 236 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: one of the things that we had to kind of 237 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,439 Speaker 1: sort through finding out who is who plays where who 238 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: uh and who's willing to play in different different spots, 239 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:06,559 Speaker 1: which was you know, there and there's players that said, no, 240 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: I only want to play this position. I'm like, well, 241 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: you don't want to help you and you know, nobody 242 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: walks in the league as a starter from day one 243 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: generally speaking, so um, you know, it's good to be 244 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: able to play multiple places and so um. You know, 245 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:20,199 Speaker 1: from from that perspective, it was kind of getting to 246 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: learn the players learning, you know, they could what they 247 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: had exposure to doing. And I wanted to make sure 248 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: I said, look, I want to you guys to all 249 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: be put in your best face, put your best face 250 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 1: forward here. Um. So so it was good communication from 251 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: that perspective to see, you know, who who wanted to 252 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: do different things, who felt comfortable and who was willing 253 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: to try new techniques and actually a lot of the 254 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 1: guys uh did We're really open to that. So it 255 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,479 Speaker 1: was it was a fun time and good experience and um, 256 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,319 Speaker 1: although it was about maybe three or four days too 257 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: long in Vegas. That's right, there is a finite amount 258 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 1: of time that a person belongs in Vegas. Right, there's 259 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: our combined preview editions. So we want to talk a 260 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:59,079 Speaker 1: little bit about your combine experience. You mentioned earlier though, 261 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: But before we get to start getting some numbers on you, 262 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: you mentioned earlier bench press not necessarily the greatest measure 263 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: of somebody's strength, Right, What would be if you were 264 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 1: to say they should replace the bench press, which they 265 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: use as a measure of strength at the combine? What 266 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: what exercise would you like to see guys do as 267 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 1: a is a more functional measure of their overall strength. 268 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: You know, that's a good question. I don't really have it. 269 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: I don't have a drill in mind or a tool 270 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: in mind that you could get a direct measurable. I 271 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 1: don't think bench press ever goes away. Um. I think 272 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: it's because it's one of those things. It's a measurable 273 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: that you can measure over time. Hey, how much you 274 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: of bench? You know? It's like now, I mean, you 275 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: know there's guys who can bench the world, but they 276 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 1: can't move. They can't functionally, you know, wipe the rear 277 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 1: end because they can't to bound up you are you? 278 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: Are you really effectively a good player because you can 279 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: bench a lot um. I think it's a combination of things. 280 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 1: But um, it does give you some measure of of strength, 281 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 1: I think, but there's all kinds of variables. I mean, 282 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:52,559 Speaker 1: I know when I went through the combine process, it 283 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: was hey, widen your hands out on the bench, so 284 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: you know, you bring your your hands really wide. I'm like, well, 285 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: this isn't a functional movement. Don't ever want to be 286 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,199 Speaker 1: in this position really, And the only time I'm ever 287 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 1: doing this is if I'm on my back. I don't 288 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:06,719 Speaker 1: and I'm pushing the guy off. I don't really want 289 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 1: to be there. So you know, is it a is 290 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: it a direct measurable um that that correlates to the movements? No, 291 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 1: but it does give you some idea of a guy's 292 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: you know, his his his strength and his and is 293 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: probably as more his bone structure. So that's okay, you 294 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: mentioned that. So and I don't even know if that's 295 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 1: something they measure at the combine or not. But I 296 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: do know this for a fact that Joe Thomas has 297 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 1: some of the densest bones on the planet, right, And 298 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 1: I don't know if that correlated to his ability to 299 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: be successful if it had nothing to do with it. 300 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 1: I know, Evan our strength got huge on bone density. 301 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 1: That's one of the things that he loves to talk about. 302 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: So how important is that? How do you find that 303 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 1: out about somebody? I mean, I don't know. I mean 304 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 1: I guess you know, you can, you can definitely look 305 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: at bone density and all that, But then there's guys 306 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 1: that just do it and you're like, how did this 307 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: guy play that long? You know? And I think you 308 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 1: can one of the measurables And is probably bone density 309 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 1: for sure off the charge to like is it something 310 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 1: I had never even heard of? Bone density is even 311 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:02,839 Speaker 1: a thing until maybe three weeks ago from the half 312 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: in Evan Martin. Just like the Ford well, like the 313 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: forces that go on the body when you're playing and 314 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: you're moving big people and over time if you have 315 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 1: you know, smaller bones, I'm sure you know you don't 316 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: have the same frame that can withstand that kind of 317 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: you know, withstand that kind of force over time, you know. 318 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: So I think it does factor in how much how 319 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 1: much adrenaline is going through a player in these kind 320 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: of environments, especially now with the bench they have crowds, 321 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: they're cheering. I'm wondering how much adrenaline plays into when 322 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: you're at the combine. That's a good question. I'm looking back. 323 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: I just remember I knew what I was gonna do. Um, 324 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: I didn't have a crowd. I mean I had people 325 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: there and they count. You're just hoping that the guy 326 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,559 Speaker 1: counts every rep. You know, there's nothing worse than that. 327 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:41,439 Speaker 1: And unfortunately my reps are counted. But I saw a 328 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 1: guy like, oh man, it's got to be demoralizing when 329 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,559 Speaker 1: you're you're tired and you're like and he stops counting. 330 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 1: You're like, well, I didn't get credit for that. So 331 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 1: you're thinking. But I think it's uh, it's probably some 332 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: you know. It's like anything you're competing, um, you know, 333 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: and and will you rise to the occasion. I think 334 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 1: there's some adrenaline there, But I think the process itself 335 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: is such a long and arduous one for the player 336 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: because they're there and you're they're they're getting medical testing, 337 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: they're getting interviews, they're getting talked to all the time. 338 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 1: They're constantly on. So I don't know that you can 339 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,959 Speaker 1: have a constant, steady flow of adrenaline throughout the entire process, 340 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: but I think it does show up in some of 341 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: the more physical competition aspects. All Right, what would you 342 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: say is a better measure of strength your max on 343 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: the bench or how many times you could do to 344 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm not you know, I'm not sure. 345 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: I'm not sure about that. Um, I don't know, and 346 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: I guess I guess I don't. I would have supposed 347 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: probably the max because in football, right, you're it's one 348 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: play and then you have a rest and then it's 349 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: a play again. So it's curious that they went with 350 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: the reps of two five. But so we've had Tommy 351 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 1: Toyah I obviously did forty last year, right, which was 352 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: the most of the combined. We've had Worson Charles who 353 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: when yard did the most as well. It was a 354 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: tight end that was with the Browns a few years ago. 355 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: So when you went through this, you're I mean, you're 356 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: a big dude. What was kind of your mindset? What 357 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: was your goal there to do in the bench? Did 358 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: you have a number when you went and you're like, 359 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: I want to hit this number. Yeah, I wanted to 360 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: hit thirty five. I wanted to hit thirty five. Okay, 361 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: So my guests in my head for you was around thirty, 362 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: which I think is ambitious, but I feel like that's 363 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 1: a that's a big number. We've seen some wine going 364 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: there and like fall off. What the guy I do 365 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: ended up being a great proo. Yeah and he but 366 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: my guest was always was going to be one more 367 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: than you guests for smart Smart He said thirty five. 368 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: I said, thirty word, did you land thirty six? Of 369 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: course he did, but he did your goal thirty six? 370 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: Was that the most that year? Yea, that year, but 371 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: Tommy Togia it was did better than me. That's twenty 372 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: years later. Well start teology training. That come on you. 373 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: So you're a record holder to guys, record holder or 374 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: in Charles has been a record holder. That's the three 375 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: bench record guys from the combine that have been through 376 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: this building in the last decade. That's pretty impressive. There's 377 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: something to be said though about you know, certain guys 378 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: that don't have If you look at some guys that 379 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: might have had small lower score on the bench, sometimes 380 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: they have like ridiculously yeah winks. That's my extense. That's 381 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: what I say. That's why I struggle wingspan actually let 382 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: me let me actually clarify that wingspan doesn't measure necessarily 383 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 1: tell you arm length. It tells you that because you 384 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: you might have a wide torso, so you might have 385 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: shorter arms and a wide torso. In a barrel chest, 386 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: you're only pressing the weight about six inches. You know, 387 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: that's like tonio to that barrel chess. The probably go 388 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: like this for a bench. So having long arms is 389 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: a factor that in you know, a little detris That's 390 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: what I said. It could be a detriman. That's why 391 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: you guys will say, hey, move your move your hands 392 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: out wider. But then again, are you getting a functional 393 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: reading on because again, like you don't want to have 394 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: your hands wide and pressing. You don't see you guys 395 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: doing that on the field, right, all right, I feel 396 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: like we're understanding this. So you go out there, you 397 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: do thirty six, you do the most of the combine 398 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: the year that you're there. Like, how pumped were you 399 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: about that? And what were people saying that? Dude? Like 400 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: I was like, man, I was glad it was over, 401 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 1: to be honest, because I was going because you know, 402 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: it's kind of in your mind, you're like, I gotta 403 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: do this bench thing. I'll never do it again. But 404 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: how did you train to do that? Um? We trained, 405 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: you know, we trained heavier weights, and then I recall, 406 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: like we'll do you know, you do three fifteen for 407 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: ten or fifteen or twenty and try to do as 408 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: many as you could and then really by the time 409 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 1: you touch to twenty five, it's it's light. And then 410 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,239 Speaker 1: the goal was to hit twenty. That's I remember doing this. 411 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna I'm not gonna take my first breath 412 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: until I've hit twenty. So I'm gonna just bang out 413 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 1: twenty reps, okay with on the first breath that you know, 414 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 1: I'm holding my breath and then you know, you take 415 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: a breath and then you hit five or ten or whatever, 416 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 1: and then you know, then you hit three and then 417 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: you hit two, and then it's like then you hit 418 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:26,679 Speaker 1: one and then maybe you fail. So anyway you try to, 419 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 1: you know, you try to hold your breath to to 420 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:30,879 Speaker 1: get it rattle off as many as you can, and 421 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: then you use your breathing as you go from that. 422 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:34,479 Speaker 1: That was how I did it. If our listeners out 423 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: there are just trying to hit per se, what what 424 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: is the best piece of advice you give them to 425 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 1: increase their bench you'll get a bench shirt doing those things. 426 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:46,439 Speaker 1: Competitors where I'm so you basically it's a bench they 427 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 1: called a bench shirt. So it takes like to even 428 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,479 Speaker 1: get the weight to come down to your chest, so 429 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: they spring up. So bench press competitors where I'm as cheating, 430 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: but or if you want to go out and learn 431 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:01,919 Speaker 1: how you know, just keep working on throwing the weight 432 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 1: around the way you describe the combine, it's obviously a gauntlet. 433 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: We've always talked about that. It's just four days of 434 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:10,880 Speaker 1: just testing these guys in so many different ways. How 435 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: long is then? The wait feel from then till the 436 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:15,679 Speaker 1: draft because there's still a lot of time and so 437 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 1: much stuff too to go through. It it's like a 438 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: it's it's it is, it's there's, there's there's definitely there. 439 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: There comes in phases, you know, I remember, you know, 440 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: you get out of college, You're like, okay, I'm done 441 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: with my college. Now you transition right into the to 442 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:28,640 Speaker 1: the bowl game stuff. If you're played in the Senior 443 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: Bowl and that was its own focus, you know, let's 444 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: get ready for the Senior bow. Let me go out 445 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 1: and correct anything that I need to correct in terms 446 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: of my performance. Okay, once you get past that phase, 447 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: that's like its own focus. And then all right, get 448 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: ready for the combine and then you go, I got 449 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 1: pro day. You know, that's the following that follows the 450 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: combine um and interviews and things like that. So you 451 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: gotta take it one piece at a time. And uh, 452 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: because there is more to be done obviously before the draft, 453 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: but all of it, uh, you know, it's pretty soon 454 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:56,120 Speaker 1: it will be in everyone's rear view mirror. And now 455 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:57,919 Speaker 1: it's like, oh, you gotta actually go play now, so 456 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 1: you gotta do you know he said to do. So 457 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 1: then football is the focus after that. When you left 458 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: the combine and your fourth round pick of the Eagles, 459 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: did you have a feeling the Eagles were into you? Like, no, no, 460 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: no idea, no clue. Interesting, I was like no, So 461 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: they really didn't. They didn't talk to you at the combine. 462 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: I didn't interview with them or anything. So it was just, uh, yeah, 463 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: it was random. So they're like, oh, okay, great, maybe 464 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: they were keeping there trying to keep it under wraps. There. 465 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,199 Speaker 1: Don't tell him about this. We got to get him. 466 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:28,439 Speaker 1: It came by it came as a surprise to me, 467 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 1: but you know that can happen, right, I mean it 468 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: was a yeah, so I don't I didn't have any 469 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: specific meetings with them, but but but yeah, it was 470 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: that moment like when they when you got to call, um, 471 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:43,439 Speaker 1: I was it was. I was excited. I was very excited. Um, 472 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: you know, I'm glad it was over. I was like, 473 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 1: let's put this step, you know, because people are family 474 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: was in talent. I'm like, I just wanted now it's 475 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: time to go to they get to go play now, 476 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 1: you know, which was was good. Um. But but the 477 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 1: weird part was I did get called in the fourth 478 00:19:56,520 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 1: round previously by Carolina, so they said while they were 479 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: on the clock, they say congratulations. I'm like, I'm being 480 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 1: drafted right now. And then the guy comes on and goes, no, 481 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 1: scratch that, sorry man, moving to mistake and click. I'm like, 482 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: so that was so. Then when I got drafted by 483 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: the Eagles, like maybe ten picks later, I was like, 484 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 1: well that's a relief, you know, like I was so close, 485 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: so close. That was strange. But yeah, so that the 486 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: stuff out of nightmares. It was. It was crazy about that. Well, coach, 487 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 1: this has been an absolute pleasure. We always enjoy talking 488 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,719 Speaker 1: to learning something new and thirty six some of them 489 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 1: for us, all despied too on the bench press thirty 490 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: six reps. I mean, I guess you know, like makes 491 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: money if I joined the circus or something. I think 492 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: you're doing just fine right here with it with the 493 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns with somebody you never know, you never know, coach, 494 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 1: appreciate the time. Big thanks to Scott Peters right there 495 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: in groups. I gotta tell you, he's got to be 496 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 1: in the running for the most interesting person in the world. 497 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 1: I mean, his background is fascinating, his stories are fascinating, 498 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 1: and he just a fascinating guy. Yeah, and we didn't 499 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: really even get into the whole mixed martial arts aspect 500 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: of what he has done in his career. Like I 501 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,199 Speaker 1: remember when I sat down with him when he was 502 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 1: hired and I was just going through his background and 503 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: it was just totally fascinating. I mean, just a total 504 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: total career shift for him going into mixed martial arts 505 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: and they became one of the best to do it. 506 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 1: And now he's applying those teachings at this level. You've 507 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: seen guys apply that we've had guys in the past 508 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 1: with that background in his position. But I think his 509 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: mix of having done it on the field and still 510 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 1: be able to get his hands like on the guys 511 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: and be out there practice looking like one of the 512 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: players on the team just makes it a great fit 513 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: with him and Bill Callian. Yes, guy, he was played 514 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 1: offensive line in the NFL. Then he does that, and 515 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 1: I loved as he's walking out and we're like marveling 516 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 1: and hying over his brute strength and the things that 517 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: he tells a story about how in high school he 518 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 1: throws up forty times at a time when nobody else 519 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: in a whole All Star competition between California Texas got 520 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,439 Speaker 1: over and then he's he's not lifting weights anymore and 521 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,120 Speaker 1: he still looks like that. Just doing some push ups, 522 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: No big deal. Yeah, I'll try push ups right, sign 523 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: sign us up. I was like herschel Walker when herschel 524 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 1: Walker used to be abjackted. All he did was push up. Supposedly, 525 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 1: while on a day that's a lot, I think about 526 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 1: ten times what I'm going to put in at least yes, indeed, 527 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: all right, So this is our combined preview edition of 528 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: the best podcast available, presented by cross country mortgage. So Gribbs, 529 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:18,120 Speaker 1: we're gonna go through our top five favorite things about 530 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 1: the combine, or to do with the combine, or to 531 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,639 Speaker 1: eat at the combine. Whatever the world is our playground 532 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 1: right here, and what we want to count them down 533 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 1: five to one. The things that you love about the 534 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 1: combine will start with your number five. Well, to continue 535 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: the theme of what we fell into there with Scott 536 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: Peters and not to make this the b P A 537 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: stand for bench press available, but overhearing the bench press 538 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 1: from our workstation is an amazing thing. Every year. You 539 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: just you hear the whoever is leading, whoever's doing the 540 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 1: official count. You're the fans going nuts over it, and 541 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: it's just thinking and you. The thing is, we don't 542 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 1: see it, but we hear it, so you can tell 543 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: what's going on in are trying to visualize what's going on. 544 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:07,160 Speaker 1: And I enjoy that every year, just the grunts, the noises, 545 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: the excitement that happens when when someone's doing something really 546 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: special over there. That that's always something that's six in 547 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: my head when I go to the combine. My best 548 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 1: bench press memory and crowd and all that was DK 549 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 1: Metcalf because when you walked through. You're like, dude, look 550 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: at that guy and he put up a lot for 551 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: a receiver, right, and people are going bonkers. Yeah, you 552 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: can tell when someone had a good round, like you 553 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 1: can really tell. And then I don't know if you 554 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: can tell on the other side of someone disappointed, but 555 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 1: you can definitely when people are extra juiced over there. 556 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: You can tell when someone did something special injury. We 557 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 1: we we have heard but that before, and that's that's 558 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 1: not good. That's that's tough. But that's the closest we 559 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 1: get to the action really, because we're not in the 560 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:44,439 Speaker 1: we're not in the we're not in the we're not 561 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: in the bowl for the for the all the other events. 562 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,160 Speaker 1: That's that's really when we're there. That's that's the closest 563 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: we're seeing other than let's you won't count like the 564 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 1: fans who come in and do their little activities, right, 565 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: which is not as excited as the bench press area. 566 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: All right, Number five for me lurking Gibbe, which I 567 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: contemplated going much higher on the list, but I didn't 568 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: want to offend him by that. But so at the combine, 569 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 1: we gotta do a lot of interviews. I'm not a 570 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 1: fan of lurking. Once we get the secure of the person, 571 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 1: I'm happy to come over. We'll interview, will have a 572 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: great talk, will be fun. Gibbe does a lot of lurking, 573 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: and Gibbe is a big guy six seven and imposing face. No, 574 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 1: but he will be lurking. Ian Rappaport love watching him 575 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,160 Speaker 1: go after Report, who's not as big of a guy 576 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,719 Speaker 1: as Gibbe, and he just is just towering the background, 577 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,679 Speaker 1: waiting Report feels his presence, just continues to look at 578 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 1: his phone and ignore him. That's great. Chris Simms when 579 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: he's trying to get Chris Sims and Sims is blowing 580 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: him off. It's a lot of sometimes it's failed. Lurking 581 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: Gibbey is almost the most fun because he really gives 582 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 1: it a great lurking effort and then gets nothing for it. 583 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 1: In fact, they sense his lurk because it's as I said, 584 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: it's an imposing lurk. So anytime you're around lurking Gibbe, 585 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 1: it's a win for all involved. Yeah, this this falls 586 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:56,919 Speaker 1: into a little bit. My number four is just the 587 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: generic people watching that goes on at the combine because 588 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: it's it's really hard to explain unless you've been there. 589 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: Just it's it's one thing where you go to a 590 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: restaurant and you might it's like a it's an event 591 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 1: when you see someone that you've seen on TV. Your 592 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: texting friends, you're telling everyone about that. But at the combine, 593 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 1: because Indianapolis is so condensed and and that's why it 594 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 1: makes sense in Indiapolis just a great say, like you're 595 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: it's like an event in Indianapolis if you go to 596 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: somewhere and there's no one that you haven't seen on 597 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:32,400 Speaker 1: TV before, Like it's just the concentration of the biggest 598 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,360 Speaker 1: figures in the NFL mixed with the biggest media members 599 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 1: in the NFL. It's just it's it's unlike anything you 600 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 1: can really experience elsewhere because you don't even get to 601 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 1: experience that probably in any of the Super Bowl towns 602 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,640 Speaker 1: unless it's Indianapolis. Because of the way it's just designed. 603 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: Everything is everyone's right there because they everyone can walk 604 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: and it's right there's maybe a smattering of ten to 605 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 1: twelve places where hundreds of people are concentrated, and so 606 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,479 Speaker 1: you're just you you just see I said, it's an 607 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: event when you don't see people who are NFL famous. Yeah, 608 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: everywhere you look at we're walking on the street and 609 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: tying into this kind of the people watching just in 610 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: the fun of the inventor. You can see, you know, 611 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 1: we've seen I think Ron Rivera walking down a birding 612 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: down the street in his leather jacket with Jack del 613 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 1: Rio and the time when he was with the Raiders 614 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: and just like NFL coaches birding around. It's just funny. 615 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 1: And the people watching, yes, is off the charts. And 616 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: watching people react to the people watching is also pass 617 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 1: out of mind. Number four for me is going to 618 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 1: be It's gonna be it's gonna end real specific, but 619 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 1: it's gonna start broad, which is just the kind of 620 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 1: the going out and running into people that you know 621 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 1: have war tier and people that you know and people 622 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 1: that you know have come through the Brown's organization. Get 623 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: to see everybody. But then it's also seeing all the 624 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,439 Speaker 1: members of the media who are there that are half 625 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 1: trying to get stories, working all the angles and all 626 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: of that. And then there's one reporter in particular that 627 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:57,919 Speaker 1: I get a kick out of every year because he 628 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: has two things in his repertoire that are just incredible. 629 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,120 Speaker 1: Number one is that he will tell you he's sitting 630 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,360 Speaker 1: on a monster story, but he's not going to break 631 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 1: it just yet. So he just wants you to know 632 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 1: that I got him story, not not breaking it yet, 633 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: can't tell you what it is, but I've got it. 634 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 1: And then he has also an awesome ability like to 635 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,399 Speaker 1: be like right now, we would be talking you and I, 636 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,880 Speaker 1: but he's he's looking over every shoulder for somebody better. 637 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,439 Speaker 1: And it's not just a phenomenon that happens to me, 638 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 1: So I don't feel badly about. It happens to everybody there, 639 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 1: and it's just it's a remarkable thing and I enjoy 640 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: getting that experience. It's it's a very indescribable it is. 641 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 1: It's really special, all right. Number three for you, I 642 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 1: mean not to go all boring personal fitness thing, but 643 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,400 Speaker 1: it's a big step week, big big on the steps. 644 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 1: I mean, my my watch loves me so much during 645 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: the week of the combine your feedback, you're you're it's 646 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 1: saying you're doing great, You've hit your goals all the time. 647 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 1: It's you're you're, you're seeing your circle filled by eleven am. 648 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 1: I mean, it's about two thousand steps give or take 649 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,919 Speaker 1: to go get a bottle of water sometimes and with 650 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: the setup. So I mean you're putting in those steps, 651 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 1: you're walking everywhere. I mean we haven't done Indianapolis. Now 652 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,120 Speaker 1: we're in the two years since where the rideshare situation 653 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 1: is definitely gone downhill in just the country in general 654 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: at this point, so walking is going to become even 655 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 1: even more so. You're you're hitting numbers that you don't 656 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 1: usually hit. In Indianapolis, it's it's a big week for steps, 657 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 1: physical fitness, you get it in you. It's just we 658 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: hell into that convention center is a legitimate jount. Yeah, 659 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,919 Speaker 1: every everything you you you test. I will probably hit 660 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 1: more steps in my three days in indian than I 661 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: will in my in a week plus of being in 662 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 1: the Bronze offices those weeks. Oh yeah, no doubt. I'd 663 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: like that. I'd like that. I'd like to get that 664 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: on a board somewhere. I'll take that. I'll take the 665 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: Indie all day. Number three for me is gonna be 666 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 1: tacos at Naa. It's just always like a great way 667 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: to kick the combine off in my opinion, So not 668 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 1: much stay there other than I love tacos. I don't 669 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: mind a margarite or a litle tequila either, and they've 670 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: got great tacos. Get the al Pass store, a little 671 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: Bneio sauce. I don't have a great hob Nearro Sauce. 672 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 1: It's it's a delightful, delightful thing way to start, all right. 673 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: Number two to the the Italian feast that we always 674 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: embark on this and you get a little bit you 675 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 1: have to go all a little bit off the beaten path. 676 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: I gotta go all off the beaten path. Uh it's 677 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 1: not again, it's not really even that far, but in 678 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 1: Anianapolis when you're getting a car, it's far because everyone 679 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: else is walking everywhere. So that's good and it's always 680 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: a good moment for our group. We get together, you 681 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: don't get especially now with the last couple of years, 682 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: haven't gotten together much for meals or anything like that. 683 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: So this will be something I'm definitely looking forward to. 684 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: We'll see which day it gets put on the schedule, alright. 685 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 1: Number two for me is just learning like the worst 686 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: kept secret of the combine, like coming out of the 687 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 1: year and knowing for sure Arizona is going to draft 688 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, knowing that the Giants were for sure drafting 689 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: Danny Dimes, like all the stuff that you kind of 690 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 1: pick up from being there. I love that. So I'll 691 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: put called the worst kept secret, and then piggybacking off 692 00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 1: of that, I'll tie it in was, you know, the 693 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 1: big scuttle butt one year was how tall Kyler was? 694 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 1: And we did our own as as a Bow and 695 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 1: I went to, uh, what's the place that Harry and 696 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: Dizzy's right next to almost which will come up again 697 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 1: shortly number two though, while we're on the steps, Kyler 698 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: Murray's coming down while we're going up, and so we 699 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: get it. We're like, dude, we gotta figure out how 700 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 1: tall this guy is right now we're breaking the story. 701 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: So we made it. So Bow got on the same 702 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 1: step as Kyler at the exact same moment. We know 703 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 1: Bows were able to make a quick measurement. No chance. 704 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 1: The guy's six ft tall was our quick determination. And 705 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 1: then on we went. And that was a great going 706 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 1: to happen at the combine. Where else are you gonna 707 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 1: have a step up, you know, stair measuring of the 708 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: number one quarterback prospect guys going number one overall? So 709 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: I had I have a number one here, but I'm 710 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: gonna make it a bonus one. I'm adding a new 711 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: number one, but then I'll give you my ultimate number 712 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: one when you're done. Gibbs would say, you're doing something 713 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: that I would do. Yeah, I wanted five and my 714 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: number one. And this this gets almost as inside baseball 715 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 1: as your thing with your reporter, that is, talk to 716 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 1: someone better, my favorite thing, and it's almost like a 717 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: hate watching type of thing. But when there's a press 718 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 1: conference with a player and you've got different reporters who 719 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: have their own different angles with the teams they cover, 720 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: where they totally take over an interview once they find 721 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 1: out this player has interviewed with that team, and it's 722 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 1: just you see the honing in. You see the disgust 723 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 1: on the players face, who's like, oh, I should have 724 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 1: never even agreed to say that I interviewed this team. 725 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 1: Five questions about that team that come rapid fire because 726 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 1: that guy's found a note or at least, and then 727 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 1: just the reaction from everyone else around that has realized 728 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: that they now have two minutes of a press conference 729 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 1: that is totally worthless to them, completely worth and it's 730 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 1: just and then or the other scenario where you have 731 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 1: people asking have you interviewed to this team. No, and 732 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: then that's the opening for someone else to go, We'll 733 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 1: have you interviewed with this team, and then it becomes 734 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 1: a two minute session that is also completely worthless. During 735 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 1: the compos so you're saying, this isn't your stimate number one, 736 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 1: that's not what's your ultimate number one? I want you 737 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 1: to go first, So you want to have the final word. Fine, 738 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 1: well yeah no, because mine, mine's all. Mine's kind of 739 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 1: like a little sad also, but oh boy, my ultimate 740 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 1: number one is dinner at St Almos because I love it. 741 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 1: I love watching people eat the cocktail sauce. I love 742 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 1: watching people around eat the cocktail sauce, especially because you 743 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,719 Speaker 1: know that there's typically somebody at a table who's never 744 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 1: had it, and the other people are yeah, excited to see. 745 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 1: We almost lost Bill Bishop last time we were there, 746 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 1: he almost died and he's eating there many times. But 747 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,239 Speaker 1: it was just a particularly hot brand, I guess on 748 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 1: that day. Uh. And then after that when you go 749 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 1: and you end up either at you know, was it 750 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 1: Prime forty seven or at the J W. Merryott Bar, 751 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 1: and then you get to get into all the just 752 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,719 Speaker 1: the people watching and just the hilariousness doesn't suit. So 753 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 1: that's my that's that's number one, So my ultimate number 754 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 1: one in the entire combine process going home. Going home 755 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 1: a great moment because it's a long week. By the 756 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 1: time that you are ready to go home, you've probably 757 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 1: wanted to go home for at least a few hours 758 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: before you actually do go home. And I think it's 759 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 1: it's like any it's like any trip. Like usually it's 760 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: a good vacation if by the end of it you're 761 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 1: ready to go. And I think for the combine, no 762 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 1: one has ever in any whether it's media or even beyond, 763 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 1: has like like I need more account I need more 764 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 1: Like usually by when you when you hit your allotment, 765 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 1: you're you're ready to go, and then you have that 766 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 1: problem and then you get really excited. Yeah you got 767 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: the drive time, but then then but you're excited, you're 768 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 1: ready to go home. Like it's it makes home, like 769 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 1: I a traveling from me is tough anyways with two kids, 770 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 1: but I am in terms of events that I go to. 771 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: The feeling I have of going home from the combine 772 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: is up there. It rivals a lot like that's the 773 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 1: but it's a better time than the Senior Bowl, right, 774 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 1: Like I have to imagine, like, yeah, Senior Bowls a 775 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 1: shorter trip unless your team is coaching the game, and 776 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 1: then it is a long week. So but Senior Bowl, 777 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,120 Speaker 1: you're only usually there for a couple of days. So 778 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: Combine is is a little longer. But so this is 779 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 1: your three days for you, It'll be not not too long, 780 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 1: they'll be I'll be ready to go. I do think though, 781 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 1: if you had, like if you were able to measure 782 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 1: the speed of my walks from the convention center to 783 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:22,719 Speaker 1: our hotel, the final walk, it's probably like by far 784 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 1: the fastest. Oh yeah, because you're trying to map it 785 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 1: out because usually almost always are leaving the afternoon and 786 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 1: you're trying to avoid how much time am i gonna 787 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,319 Speaker 1: be driving where it is super dark and I'm going 788 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:35,920 Speaker 1: to be getting to avoid Columbus correct an inopportunity. Yes, 789 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:40,839 Speaker 1: so it's it's leaving number one, leaving the Combine. It's 790 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,319 Speaker 1: always an event I look forward to. But at the end, 791 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 1: you're ready to move on to the next step. Like you. Again, 792 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 1: I know many people every year at the Combine, they 793 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 1: don't extend their trip. They often cut it short. Yes, 794 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 1: because everyone everyone. Everyone seems to overestimate how long they 795 00:34:58,160 --> 00:34:59,880 Speaker 1: need to. I wish you were here to speak on 796 00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 1: a that is typically the only person I know all 797 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 1: stays like a day after everybody else. Yeah, it's it's 798 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:09,360 Speaker 1: a Saturday, alright, not me, it's it's when I covered 799 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,359 Speaker 1: it from a college angle. I had to do that 800 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 1: because I had to be there when I was covering Alabama. 801 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 1: Alabama the last stage there's almost always defensive backs. Well, 802 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 1: guess what, Alabama's got a lot of defensive backs that 803 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 1: go to the NFL. So I was always there for 804 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 1: closing time. And that's that's that's that's that's when going 805 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,840 Speaker 1: home was really good. Like that, that's the after you 806 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,319 Speaker 1: do five or six days in Indy and then back 807 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 1: then I was flying back. That makes it even I 808 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 1: think that's that's worse than driving back. Also, it was 809 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,920 Speaker 1: a bonus one I would give a spotting Jerry Jones's 810 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 1: bus is always a fun that's always. Yeah, that's that's good. 811 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,239 Speaker 1: I mean, it's one of my favorite events because, like 812 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 1: you said, like you see everyone like it's in terms 813 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:50,839 Speaker 1: of people like in the business that I've worked with, 814 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,319 Speaker 1: like just in different walks of life, like every because 815 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,279 Speaker 1: usually I still friends that cover colleges that go, and 816 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 1: so it's like a mix of the mix of college 817 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 1: people I know, pro people I know, like it's a 818 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,000 Speaker 1: good event. And then for this, I think there's gonna 819 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,319 Speaker 1: be a different feeling from a football standpoint because they 820 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 1: got to live without one last year, and I think 821 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 1: there's an excitement that this is like a return to 822 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 1: the normal. This is what all these guys have been 823 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 1: conditioned to do for twenty thirty years. I think there's 824 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 1: gonna excitement about it, and maybe there's a new approach 825 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 1: that they'll be taking after the year away from it, 826 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:21,960 Speaker 1: kind of stepping back. I don't like the prime time 827 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,920 Speaker 1: workouts because you don't get as much of a good 828 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 1: scene at night in terms of the coaches and stuff 829 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,840 Speaker 1: being output. Other than that, all right, last one bonus question. 830 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,480 Speaker 1: Combine they said Indie. I think the movie they said, 831 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 1: Dallas or l A is in the in the future 832 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,799 Speaker 1: and the horizon. What I'd love to just stay in Indie, Like, 833 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,239 Speaker 1: I think that seems to be the feeling for most 834 00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,799 Speaker 1: people around. It's just to me, it's going to come 835 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,759 Speaker 1: down to logistics because Indianapolis has built perfect to do this. 836 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,839 Speaker 1: Because it's all condensed, and it's almost like maybe they're 837 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,839 Speaker 1: going to have to experience it somewhere else to then 838 00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 1: realize how good Indie is is with this thing. I 839 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 1: think that it's almost like a city was built, like 840 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,440 Speaker 1: I could think. I don't know the logistics of Nashville, 841 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 1: but maybe Nashville, like maybe like a city like that 842 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,959 Speaker 1: could work. But I haven't spent enough time in Dallas 843 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 1: for l A. But I know those cities are pretty 844 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 1: spread out. Like that's right from the convention center. I 845 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,239 Speaker 1: can have a little sushi for lunch. You can hit 846 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:18,759 Speaker 1: up Almos, you can hit your hostel. You don't even 847 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,360 Speaker 1: need a bird. You can walk everywhere you want to 848 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 1: go there in the town. All right, that will do 849 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 1: it for us. Here are combined preview edition. Big thanks 850 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,360 Speaker 1: to Scott Peters brown sist an offensive line coach, for 851 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 1: joining us, of course, the great Jeff McDaniel making this 852 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,960 Speaker 1: all come together and work, and for Gibe enjoying his 853 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 1: vacation in the Florida sun no doubt for surrounding gribbleed 854 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,759 Speaker 1: Nathan's girls saying thank you for listening to the best 855 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:46,440 Speaker 1: podcast available presented by Cross Country Mortgage