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Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me. All about that

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Speaker 1: high school drama, Girl drama, girl, all about.

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Speaker 2: Them high school queens, We'll take you for a ride,

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Speaker 3: Drama, Queens of Girl Fashion, but your.

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Speaker 4: Tough girl, you could sit with us.

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Speaker 1: Girl Drama, Queens Drama, Queens Drama, Queens Drama, Drahn The

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Speaker 3: Wow, this episode, I'm a wreck.

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Speaker 4: I really was just in tears this morning.

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Speaker 3: Same This was actually one of those that halfway through

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Speaker 3: And then I was like, but we wouldn't have made

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Speaker 2: We would have been having to stop every like ten

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Speaker 5: I would have loved to have just been able to

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Speaker 5: many moments that I a just were completely new to me.

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Speaker 5: A couple that I remembered, but I would have just

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Speaker 6: Thinking about you.

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Speaker 3: With so many of the flashbacks, I was like, oh

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Speaker 5: Funny you say that because I actually found myself. At first.

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Speaker 5: I was just going like wait what, wait what? And

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Speaker 5: then I stopped looking at him because I feel like, listen,

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Speaker 5: like the ten biggest surprises of Dan Scott's run, and

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Speaker 5: stop right because I was like, you're spoiling the show

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Speaker 5: for you. Percent I don't want to remember him standing

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Speaker 5: in the show getting hit by this car. If I

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Speaker 5: watched this again, I want so I completely every time

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Speaker 5: he started to flash back, I just closed my eyes

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Speaker 6: You pulled the kid in the movie theater. I'm not looking.

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Speaker 6: I'm not looking, and I'm looking.

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Speaker 5: Because it was also good. As much as I love

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Speaker 5: I'm finding myself more and more interested in like what

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Speaker 5: it is, and then also going like, but this is

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right, cute theater. Rewatch the first first few seasons.

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Speaker 6: I know, I forse six.

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Speaker 3: I'm excited for you to meet v One Brook Davis

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Speaker 3: and kind of hate her.

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Speaker 5: But it's going to be completely because I don't know

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Speaker 5: We should Well, let's let's talk about this one though.

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Speaker 5: This episode this season nine, episode eleven, Danny Boy, aired

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Speaker 5: March twenty first, twenty twelve. Synopsis reads, this for Nathan

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Speaker 5: has come to an end and Dan's life hangs in

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Speaker 5: the balance. Oh boy does it. Brooke is surprised when

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Speaker 5: her father returns and Clay and Quinn reconnect with logan

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Speaker 5: written by our Verio and Mike Harrow and David Strauss.

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Speaker 5: Oh boy, did they write a good one.

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Speaker 2: I know somebody else who might not have seen this

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Speaker 2: episode before, and we called him to see if he

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Speaker 2: would be available to come sit with us and talk today,

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Speaker 2: and we got him. Can we bring in Paul Johanson

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Speaker 2: please bring Danny Boy.

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Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, I'm such a huge Paul fan. I

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Speaker 5: hope I don't make it weird.

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Speaker 3: Hi.

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Speaker 5: Well, hello, hello, sir, you just.

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Speaker 2: Get more and more handsome every year, Paul.

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Speaker 7: I think the word is older fall.

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Speaker 6: Whatever it is, it's working for you.

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Speaker 7: Blushing. I haven't seen you guys in so long. I'm

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Speaker 5: Did you hear what we were just saying about you?

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Speaker 7: No? Oh?

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Speaker 5: Well, half of it was nasty, but the other half

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Speaker 7: Right Well, I mean, you know, my humor only goes

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Speaker 7: one direction. Secrets of the World.

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Speaker 5: It's good to see you, friend, are you too?

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Speaker 7: Hi?

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Speaker 5: So Hi, Paul?

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Speaker 3: You had us all sobbing, just sobbing in this episode.

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Speaker 4: My god, have you seen this episode before?

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Speaker 7: Like?

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Speaker 2: Did you just film it? And then we're like, I

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Speaker 7: Actually, I've the fans will probably not like this, but

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Speaker 7: Anyway, because I think when you're like you guys know why,

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Speaker 6: And I hate it.

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Speaker 6: Can't explain it. It makes my skin crawl.

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Speaker 2: How much darker could Dan get? Though Dan's already in

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Speaker 3: on a zoom that's not for the public. Yeah, but

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Speaker 3: then joy, you're right, like we could all go dark?

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Speaker 5: I have a small treasure trove of fan fiction I've

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Speaker 3: Because I think I can pretty much guarantee that there's

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Speaker 7: Was big conversation whether I was going to do it

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Speaker 2: Know you had no I'm so glad that you didn't.

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Speaker 2: whatever man the scene with you and Nathan on the river,

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Speaker 2: of the way. But anyway, Yeah, your performance, Paul, really

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Speaker 4: It's beautiful.

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Speaker 7: That means like the world to me, especially coming from you, guys.

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Speaker 5: Your guys' stuff was so perfect, like tonally as well.

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Speaker 5: It opened with a joke and then it got sweet.

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Speaker 5: perfectly on brand for him. But yeah, the the the

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Speaker 5: wish could have happened. Correct.

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Speaker 2: I kind of thought it was Nathan's fantasy, or maybe

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Speaker 5: Did you hear the music in this episode? Every single artist?

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Speaker 2: And the vulnerability the very thing that he's been trying

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Speaker 2: And there were people who did love Dan, but he

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Speaker 2: I just cannot think of a more fundamental human experience

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and to piggyback that joy. One of the things

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Speaker 3: love you, like, yes, this horrible thing happened, but I

440
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,960
Speaker 3: still love you. And you got to hear it from

441
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,119
Speaker 3: deb and you got to hear it from Haley, and

442
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 3: you got to hear it from Nathan, and it was like.

443
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:27,920
Speaker 6: Maybe that's it.

444
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 3: And we've talked about this a lot. You know, a

445
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,199
Speaker 3: couple of weeks ago, joybe were talking about how do

446
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 3: you practice your integrity and your morality and you know,

447
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,880
Speaker 3: the human desire to want to believe you can forgive

448
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 3: when you come up against the most horrific thing, and like, yeah,

449
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 3: it's an exercise. You can't just be you know, a

450
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,920
Speaker 3: little polypuritan and like do it. The day Dan kills Keith,

451
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 3: everyone isn't going to be like, well, if you say sorry,

452
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,760
Speaker 3: we'll forgive you. It takes time, and there's something about

453
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 3: this story and you being the person who could do

454
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,959
Speaker 3: it for the show, like not just for Dan, but

455
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 3: for the whole show where we got to see the

456
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:21,200
Speaker 3: human struggle of depravity and reclamation and complicated forgiveness happen,

457
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 3: and how much time that can take and how hard

458
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 3: it can be for people, and that you'll fall down

459
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,680
Speaker 3: but you just have to keep getting back up. And

460
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:32,639
Speaker 3: like to Joy's point, that's why, for me and clearly

461
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 3: for all of us, you are one of the best

462
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:39,680
Speaker 3: television characters of all time because we don't get that,

463
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,200
Speaker 3: we get like wrap it up in a bow, solve

464
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 3: the case of the week at the end of every

465
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:49,440
Speaker 3: episode and move along and like this is a truly

466
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,680
Speaker 3: human journey. Yes, on a show that rides a shark

467
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 3: a lot, but like a truly human journey. We read

468
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 3: books about families that go through stuff like this, that

469
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 3: get written after the patriarch dies, the family has never

470
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 3: dealt with it before, and then someone writes a gorgeous story, right,

471
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 3: But to see it and to have matters for a decade,

472
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 3: and to watch this show, whether you've been Dan Scott

473
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 3: or you've been deb or any of the rest of

474
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 3: us and go, oh, I wonder if I could own

475
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 3: it and change. I wonder if I could say I'm

476
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 3: sorry for the hundredth time and mean it differently and

477
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 3: have a different relationship with the person that I love

478
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:36,160
Speaker 3: and that I hurt.

479
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 4: Yeah.

480
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 2: Hello, And your ability, Paul, of all the things that

481
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 2: you've been through in your life, the history that you

482
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,919
Speaker 2: carry with you, in the way that you interpret that

483
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 2: into your work, that you don't just separate the two

484
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 2: and show up and say lines like you bring this deep, deep,

485
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 2: deep well of making poetry out of difficulty, and you

486
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 2: bring that into your characters and into your work, and

487
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,719
Speaker 2: you certainly did it here. I don't think Wintery Hill

488
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 2: would have kept going without you or exists or could

489
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 2: have existed, like you, really this was such a beautiful,

490
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,360
Speaker 2: beautiful story.

491
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 6: We love you.

492
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 5: That scene at the River Court I thought was the

493
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 5: It was the perfect encapsulation of and we've talked about

494
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 5: this before where it's like what happens with Julian. I

495
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 5: don't know if you since you haven't seen all the episodes, Paul,

496
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 5: but like there's the storyline where Julian accidentally leaves one

497
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,719
Speaker 5: of the boys in the car and the window has

498
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 5: to get broken and there's a whole blowback. And we

499
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 5: talked about how like if you just saw a newspaper

500
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 5: headline of like man leaves baby in car, you'd be

501
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 5: so quick to judge and sort of be you know,

502
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 5: be better than or you know, and then then when

503
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:01,640
Speaker 5: you actually get to see the person, you realize, like, wow,

504
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 5: it's a human being. It was a simple mistake. I

505
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 5: feel like, if you can do that with Dan Scott,

506
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 5: you can do that with anyone. And I feel like

507
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 5: that was the challenge of the episode, and that scene

508
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 5: at the River Court is where they really stuck the landing,

509
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 5: because it wasn't easy, it wasn't like because I'm a

510
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,439
Speaker 5: bad guy, he's a dickhead. It was grounded in like

511
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 5: very honest, simple human feelings, you know. And so I

512
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 5: think that's where it was so successful is because at

513
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 5: the end of it, you find yourself. If you can

514
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 5: have empathy and combasion for Dan Scott, then you can

515
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 5: have it for everyone.

516
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 2: And people can have it for you if you see

517
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 2: yourself as the Dan Scott of your own life, have

518
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 2: so much shame and you're carrying so many things that

519
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 2: you've done, you're not beyond redemption.

520
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 3: It also struck me as such a lesson really profound

521
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,679
Speaker 3: at the time, right because the idea that phrase it

522
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 3: gets better was really launched in the early days of

523
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 3: our social connectivity to try to help people not give up,

524
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 3: you know, to be an anti suicidality rallying cry, you know,

525
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 3: like it will get better. There will be you will

526
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 3: find your people. Things will be okay. Maybe not today

527
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 3: or tomorrow, but eventually. And it struck me today, like

528
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 3: we talk about this a lot on the show Paul,

529
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 3: how things were We got it then, but now with

530
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 3: you know, all these years more of life experience and

531
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 3: hardship and heartbreak and great moments too, but you know

532
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 3: all of it that we see these storylines differently even

533
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:39,880
Speaker 3: than we did at the time, and watching you deliver

534
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 3: that performance that like eviscerated me as a viewer and

535
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 3: as your friend and as your coworker. They had nowhere

536
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 3: to hide from my DearS.

537
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 6: I just was like, oh my god.

538
00:27:55,680 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 3: The fact that you were able to in this role

539
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:06,120
Speaker 3: encapsulate an experience that I think so many people have had,

540
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 3: which is, I know you're trying to help me, but

541
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 3: I'm in so much pain that your hopefulness is painful

542
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 3: to me.

543
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 4: It's so.

544
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 6: Human.

545
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 3: It's why, you know, twelve years later, with way more

546
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 3: access to things in our social connectivity, people follow therapists

547
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 3: that don't treat them, that are like, actually, the thing

548
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 3: not to say to a grieving person is this the

549
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 3: thing you maybe want to say to them, is this

550
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 3: other thing? Share how you'll be there for them, Share

551
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,959
Speaker 3: these things. And to have a man like Dan Scott,

552
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 3: a titan like joy said say to us, this hopefulness

553
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 3: hurt me so badly that I acted out of my

554
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 3: pain in the most horrific way. It's like watching an

555
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 3: elephant sit down. You're just like, what's happening? I've never

556
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 3: seen this happen before, Like the king of the jungle

557
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 3: is having a moment, and the two of you together.

558
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 3: I mean, he's obviously not here today, but you and James,

559
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 3: the way you play this father and this son to

560
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,239
Speaker 3: watch you have this experience and the wisdom of the

561
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:24,239
Speaker 3: writers to give us the conversation that was happening at

562
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 3: Dan's bedside in the hospital, but put it on the

563
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 3: river court and have all of us wonder, like, wait,

564
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 3: did Nathan bust him out for like a final night?

565
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 2: I thought it was a flashback, man, Then when you

566
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 2: stand up.

567
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 3: What it did for me was when you stood up

568
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 3: and said, let's play a game.

569
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 6: I was like, oh my god, he's dying.

570
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 3: He's dying right now, he's hallucinating. He's oh my god,

571
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 3: and it I'm sorry, you don't cry. It like it

572
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 3: just crushed me. And you two were so beautiful. And

573
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 3: even to hear Dan say like, for once, let's not keep.

574
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 4: Score, Yes, so good, the release of all.

575
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 3: His stuff in like his dying breasts with his son Goodbyeugh.

576
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 5: That was the perfect button for it. He said, yeah,

577
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 5: let's not keep score for once, let's just play.

578
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 7: To play.

579
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 9: I was like, ah, and that finally gets out there

580
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 9: face like the joy we got to watch you have

581
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 9: of you know, finding this other emotional level.

582
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 6: To Rob's point, like.

583
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 3: Only you could have landed that plane and we could

584
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 3: only have had such a profound lesson from a character

585
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 3: we'd spent ten years loving to hate and hating to love,

586
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 3: and like, holy shit. I don't know if you ever

587
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 3: look back on it and think like I really did some.

588
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 6: Things on that show, but I hope you do.

589
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, let me just say two quick things. One is

590
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 5: I've for as much fun as we've had laughing at

591
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 5: the absurdity of season nine, with its ridiculous twists and

592
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 5: high highs. I feel like we are getting treated so far.

593
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 5: I don't want to drink six. We still have two

594
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 5: episodes left, but like to the longest best wrap up

595
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 5: of a series. Last episode was the was the action,

596
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 5: was the comedy. This episode was just all of the feelings,

597
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 5: and I just felt like, man, it's been such a

598
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 5: service to the fans, and I'm like, now I'm here

599
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 5: for it, Like I'm glad we went through It was

600
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 5: like we went through the awkward years of puberty and

601
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 5: junior high school to now be beautiful and flourishing our

602
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 5: senior year of high school. And the other thing, though,

603
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 5: is that, like, I'm so grateful that you chose to

604
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 5: sort of honor the character and show up for the

605
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 5: fans in a situation where you rightfully could have said

606
00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 5: no because you weren't being treated respectfully or fairly. So

607
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 5: because I mean, you can't, we can't talk about season

608
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 5: nine if Dan hadn't been there. That's literally, it's it's

609
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 5: the spinal cord of the whole season.

610
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 4: Yes, of the whole show.

611
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh yeah, just specifically season nine though, you know

612
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 5: what I mean, Like, yeah, yeah, what's the through line?

613
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 5: So you know, as a fan who has come to

614
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 5: love Dan Scott, I'm glad. I'm grateful that you showed

615
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 5: up and you brought it the way you did, because man,

616
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 5: it's great.

617
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 7: I'm I'm gonna loss for words. I didn't expect to

618
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 7: be invited to hear today and to be spoken to

619
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 7: such appreciation. It means a lot to me what you

620
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 7: guys are saying. I don't know, I don't think about

621
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 7: it that much anymore. You know, I'm I'm living my

622
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 7: life and I'm grateful, But I know, I don't think

623
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 7: about it. But as we talk and having been requested

624
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 7: to go back and look at the show, you know,

625
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 7: last night and today, a lot of things came back.

626
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 7: A lot of stuff about how I walked onto the

627
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 7: set for that one speech at the River Court and

628
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 7: prepared myself about twenty before I came in on a

629
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 7: lot of really deep diving on you know, having spent

630
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 7: years embodying a character that was reviled by people and

631
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 7: holding that inside and feeling you know, never being invited

632
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 7: to you know, be part of the promotion of the show,

633
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 7: like none of the adults were, not just me, but

634
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 7: but you know, you know, all the older characters who

635
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 7: kind of been not that it's not that it mattered

636
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 7: to us then, but having such you know, looking back

637
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 7: on it going, you know, it would have been a

638
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 7: different experience had there been sort of a way to

639
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 7: share this with my sweet friend Craig Sheffer, who nursed

640
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 7: me back to health. I couldn't play my own part.

641
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 7: He had to play it for me off camera. For

642
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 7: those guys I mean, just just great people, you know,

643
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 7: you know, you know, but the canadidate characters are essential

644
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 7: to this show too. They're run a sense of female

645
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 7: empowerment and strength standing up against you know, a behemoth

646
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 7: of a man who just bullied the hell out of them,

647
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 7: and for their children's freedom from him. And it's just

648
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 7: stories that I see in real life too. You know.

649
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 7: It's it's it's it's it's beautiful that you guys are

650
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 7: saying these things to me. I do. I do have

651
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 7: to acknowledge that. You know. Again, it's you know, giving

652
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 7: the right tools from from you know, the creative side

653
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 7: of it, the creative any side that we don't we're not,

654
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 7: we're not really much of a part of I usually

655
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 7: just take the script and do what I can with

656
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 7: my character and go, how would this character that I

657
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 7: know want this to come out in the way that

658
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 7: we play it, Because to me, it's always playing. I

659
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 7: just keep myself open to whatever's happening. My favorite thing is,

660
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 7: you know, when it doesn't go the way I expect it,

661
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 7: that's my favorite scene of the day. Yeah, you know,

662
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 7: but to end, just to end that scene in the

663
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 7: river court was something that I did do a lot

664
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 7: of work saying in my head was slow down, don't

665
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 7: sell it. It's not a fucking presentation, it's a personal experience.

666
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 7: Slow down, and do it for you, Paul, do this

667
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,399
Speaker 7: for you that are important to you. And if they're

668
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 7: not coming out the right way, that means you're not

669
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 7: dialed into what this is really about. This is a

670
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 7: scene about a man who's laying in the bed and

671
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 7: he's his last prayer to me. When you guys say

672
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 7: whose version was it from? For me, I played it

673
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 7: as if I was talking to whatever maker I'm going

674
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 7: to saying, hey, man up, you know, please just be

675
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 7: understood for a minute, just can somebody understand me? And

676
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 7: so I'm transported to this river court with my son

677
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 7: and it's like, oh God, thank you for picking him.

678
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 7: That's the one. And there was all outside of me.

679
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,720
Speaker 7: It was all a sort of like a biblical experience

680
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 7: for Dan. And then when I had a chance to say,

681
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 7: it's not you, it's me. It's not you, it's me.

682
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 7: Live your life, love your child, go hug your wife,

683
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 7: forgive yourself. You did nothing wrong. It's me, it's not you.

684
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 7: Will you please please take from this at least the

685
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 7: knowledge that that I loved you. I'm flawed, but I

686
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 7: loved you, and and I just all I need to

687
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 7: hear is the two words, no, three words, I guess

688
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 7: I forgive you, and once you say that, I can

689
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 7: be set free. And when he gives that to me,

690
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 7: that's when I can play basketball. That's when I can

691
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 7: go to see with Keith. That's when I can move on.

692
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 7: I can't. I can't until you forgive me. But how

693
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 7: can you forgive me if you don't know me? Because

694
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 7: nobody sat there and ask me how you doing, Dan,

695
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 7: how you feel? Not yet you know? So I kind

696
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 7: of made it about about me all like playing Dan

697
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:59,240
Speaker 7: and gave me. So if that's what you guys are resonating,

698
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 7: then that means I did my job.

699
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 4: So it's powerful.

700
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 6: It's really beautiful.

701
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 5: We should probably jump into your criticisms now of your performance.

702
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 5: You're ready, You've had all the niceties.

703
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:15,280
Speaker 3: You're going to get, sir, Somebody make me stop crying, please.

704
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 5: Okay, No, that was that we needed to shower you

705
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 5: with that much love and appreciation. But we should also

706
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 5: we'd be remiss if we didn't discuss the rest of

707
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 5: this episode because this was This was a great episode.

708
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 4: It was so good.

709
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 5: I loved the first time Haley sees Nathan and the

710
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 5: sweet exchange of high hails and and Haley says say

711
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 5: that again. Yeah, that's the perfect All she wants to

712
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 5: do is hear her husband greeting her.

713
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,760
Speaker 4: I remember shooting that. I don't.

714
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 2: I don't remember anything particular about it other than just

715
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 2: the feeling of knowing what a big.

716
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 4: Deal moment it was.

717
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the choreography had to be so specific of

718
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 2: bodies partying at certain times so that everything could we

719
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 2: could see each other and get to each other. And yeah,

720
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 2: I remember it feeling like a big deal and it

721
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 2: really paid off.

722
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 4: I love the way that it looked.

723
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 7: I watched your eyes during that scene. I like it

724
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 7: was watch your eyes, and I was like, nobody plays

725
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 7: searching panic like Joy, just watch your eyes. Your shirt beautiful,

726
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 7: Thank you.

727
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:31,240
Speaker 2: That's just my internal daily monologue. Is there anywhere safe

728
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 2: for me? Anywhere at all?

729
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, waiting for the.

730
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 4: Other shoe to drop.

731
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 3: It felt so special and so interesting. It struck me

732
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 3: watching that. You know, to your point, Joy understanding the

733
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 3: technical side, and you know, Paul, you've directed a million

734
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 3: sequences like that, you know, for our friends at home

735
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 3: to move on a steady cam through the hallways, get

736
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 3: to your mark, stop, make sure all our background actors

737
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:05,720
Speaker 3: are in their own sort of ballet which looks, you know, natural,

738
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 3: like the flow of humans, but it's actually quite complex

739
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 3: to get all the timing right and then to bring

740
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 3: these people together in the hallway. It struck me that

741
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 3: it was one of the only moments of real, like

742
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 3: deep breath relief happiness we've had in the Tree Hill Hospital.

743
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 4: Ooh, Like it's always.

744
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 3: Absolute shenanigans and a nightmare and someone's going.

745
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 6: To die in the hospital.

746
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 4: Yeah.

747
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 3: And there was something so interesting about that scene between

748
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 3: the two of you being the opener, where we all

749
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 3: got to collectively take that deep breath. You know, you

750
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 3: knew that the audience was finally going to get what

751
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 3: they'd been begging for all season, and suddenly the hospital

752
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 3: for the rest of the episode is like a cocoon.

753
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 3: It's this really safe place. Yeah, for all these characters.

754
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 3: They get to have these moments that they haven't had before.

755
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 3: And it was really interesting to invert what that set

756
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 3: normally meant for us. And I thought it kind of

757
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 3: lent this like subconscious something is shifting here. And then

758
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 3: I felt the shift everywhere. I felt it in Haley

759
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 3: and Dan when you took Lydia to see him, I

760
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 3: felt it in Nathan scenes as a father, knowing he

761
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,240
Speaker 3: could probably lean into telling Jamie it might be okay,

762
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 3: but that that wasn't the right thing to do and

763
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 3: that he needed to prepare his son. I felt it

764
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 3: even though you weren't in the hospital, Rob in your

765
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 3: moment of continuing to show up, you know, continuing to

766
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:50,280
Speaker 3: knock at the door for Logan and then finally saying

767
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 3: to Logan when he was like, well, you know you

768
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 3: went to wander and you were like, no, I wasn't

769
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 3: wandering away. I was looking for something, and it was

770
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,760
Speaker 3: you so good. I just was like, oh my god,

771
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 3: our dad's.

772
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 2: Like dad, that's my title for the episode, dads Yes.

773
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 6: From Dan to Nathan.

774
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 3: And then watching Nathan and Clay, I was like, oh

775
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 3: my god. And even Julian, you know, you don't really

776
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 3: see us with the kids, but Julian being able to

777
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 3: stand there and say I'm happy I could help.

778
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 4: He was holding you up, Julie.

779
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 7: Yeah.

780
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 6: Oh, it was just so special.

781
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 5: And Julian, how about just he's just so steady. He's

782
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 5: such a great partner. Like I love the fact that

783
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 5: Brooks dad blows back into town and for once we

784
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 5: think she might be getting the dad she deserves.

785
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 2: I bought it too, hook Line and Sinker. I was like, finally, yay.

786
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 5: And I just I loved how Julian saw her the

787
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 5: entire time, Like when she was upset, he didn't have

788
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 5: to ask why. He knew exactly what it was and

789
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:56,359
Speaker 5: he was on her team. And I was like, man,

790
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 5: because kind of going back to the thing of like

791
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 5: all Dan's got one was to be seen and to

792
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 5: be understood, right, which I think is wildly universal, right,

793
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 5: And I just love that for Brooke in this moment

794
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 5: where the person she probably wants more than anyone to

795
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 5: love her and to know her is completely missing the mark.

796
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 5: Here comes her chosen person who's like, yeah, I see you.

797
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,240
Speaker 3: And there's something really interesting when I reflect on her storyline,

798
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 3: the reason the father relationship felt especially crucial to her

799
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 3: is because not only is she hoping to get a

800
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 3: do over with her dad, she's hoping to get a

801
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 3: do over with the scenario she went through with her

802
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 3: mom without it taking so long and involving so much

803
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 3: hardship and involving so much betrayal. She's hoping to rebuild,

804
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 3: you know, she says it many episodes ago to Victoria

805
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 3: when she's like, oh, what makes you think he's going

806
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 3: to change and she says, you did so in a way,

807
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 3: I realized in this episode that what I was witnessing

808
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 3: between Brooke and her dad was like a double letdown.

809
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 3: And Julian really takes on that mantle of a partner

810
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 3: like everything, he's really a head of household in that

811
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 3: moment to just say, like, it doesn't matter what's out there.

812
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 3: What matters is what's in here. And it reminded me

813
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 3: a lot of last episode when you guys had your

814
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 3: conversation Paul, when Dan is pressing Julian, you know, why

815
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 3: do you want to do this? And what are you

816
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 3: really here for? And is this about your kid? And

817
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 3: you're not even really friends with my son.

818
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 6: Like you really try.

819
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 3: To push his buttons and he's like, because he is

820
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 3: my friend, and I believe we should show up for people,

821
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,839
Speaker 3: and he just keeps showing up. And it's a quality

822
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 3: that I think is so tremendously important. And I also

823
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 3: liked here's my ADHD brain being like ping this other thing.

824
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 3: I loved joy that you had the moment that Haley

825
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 3: had the moment with Julian to acknowledge who he's been

826
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 3: and what he's done, because there's never been any fanfare

827
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 3: for him.

828
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, and he doesn't need it, but he does deserve it.

829
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 3: I love that you guys had that little moment in

830
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 3: the hospital together.

831
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 2: It was really sweet me too. That really showed me.

832
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 2: The scene between you and Julian felt so much like, Oh,

833
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 2: this is the power of one the power of one person,

834
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 2: because when I'm looking at Brooke objectively, like this woman

835
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 2: has talk about looking for a safe place. Her mom's

836
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 2: not safe, her dad comes, shurns up, not to be safe.

837
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 2: So many of her friends have betrayed her, so many boyfriends,

838
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 2: so many business people, Like now she's dealing with and

839
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 2: she's been let down by the system in multiple ways,

840
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 2: like when the police won't help her out, and that

841
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 2: she gets attacked again by this guy the cafe, Like

842
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 2: it is just blow after blow for Brook's whole life.

843
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 4: Talk about looking for a safe place.

844
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 2: She's finally home, she's like got her husband and her babies.

845
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 2: Oh and then her husband leaves the kids in the cars,

846
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 2: and then she's got to deal with that. I mean, you know,

847
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 2: it's a thing. And now her dad comes and it's

848
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 2: like the one one piece that is supposed to guarantee safety.

849
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,879
Speaker 2: Your dad is supposed to show up for you, and

850
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 2: he doesn't, And like, god, that was another one, Brooklyn.

851
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 2: I mean, Sophia, Oh my god.

852
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 3: I'm.

853
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 5: Wow.

854
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:15,879
Speaker 4: I've known you for twenty years.

855
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 3: Okay, No, by the way, I have to tell you.

856
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 3: As I'm listening to you talk, I'm like, isn't it

857
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 3: so weird? Did I manifest Brook Davis? Or did Brook

858
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 3: Davis manifest so many of the insane things.

859
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 6: That have happened to me? Do I love her?

860
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,280
Speaker 3: Or am I furious that I spent ten years calling

861
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 3: in that energy to my life?

862
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 2: I'm just like, I can't. But it was so like

863
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 2: Sophia watching you when brook says like, why doesn't my

864
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 2: dad want me? And like, I've got a great relationship

865
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 2: with my dad. I've had moments of feeling that though.

866
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 2: I think that a lot of people have, but particularly

867
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 2: for so many people who've really had not had their

868
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 2: dad show up. And you know the way that that

869
00:45:54,640 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 2: translates also over to your storyline, Paul and yours excuse me, yours,

870
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 2: Rob that I'm sorry. I don't mean to be so squirrely.

871
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 2: What I'm really trying to say is the fact that

872
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 2: her dad manipulated her, not just didn't show up, but

873
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 2: did show up and actually was trying to coerce and

874
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 2: manipulate her. Another major major letdown.

875
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,240
Speaker 3: Because it's narcissistic abuse.

876
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 4: This is grounds for a nervous breakdown.

877
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,280
Speaker 2: Like we talked about why people need to check themselves

878
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 2: into mental health facilities, there is no reason why Brookes

879
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:27,439
Speaker 2: should not have been like, I'm going to go check

880
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 2: into like silver Hill, I'll see you guys later, except

881
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 2: for the fact that one she had one person there

882
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 2: who held her, who saw her, who was willing to

883
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 2: walk through it with her, and even if she had

884
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 2: decided to go check in somewhere, Hey, people need to

885
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 2: do what they need to do. But like I'm just saying,

886
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 2: Julian was such a hero here, and really the power

887
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:48,479
Speaker 2: of one is so amazing, and.

888
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 3: I think the power of one really it rings so true.

889
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 3: I'm saying yes to every single thing you're saying. And

890
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 3: also I'm laughing because you know, to your point, we've

891
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 3: all been friends for twenty years, Like we see ourselves

892
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 3: in each other and in our characters, and we know

893
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 3: what relates on screen and.

894
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 6: What's happened off screen.

895
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 3: So of course we're starting to call each other by

896
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 3: the wrong names because it's literally all the same.

897
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 6: Well, that's why I'm weeping.

898
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 2: It's not like I mean, I cry about characters on

899
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 2: TV a little bit, but like I know, you guys,

900
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 2: but it's so.

901
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 3: It's so emotional, and it's so powerful and the thing

902
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 3: that isn't lost on me and that I really appreciate

903
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 3: for her, and that maybe it's hitting me so hard

904
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 3: because it's a thing I finally feel like I appreciate in.

905
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:28,240
Speaker 6: My own life.

906
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 3: Brook's been through it enough to know she doesn't need anyone. Yes,

907
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 3: she's totally capable on her own, but she deserves someone,

908
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 3: and she deserves someone good. And there's something about when

909
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 3: you have someone good in your life, whether it's your

910
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 3: best friend who doesn't leave your side when some shit

911
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 3: goes down, like you talked about with Craig Paul, whether

912
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,839
Speaker 3: it's the partner that you wish you'd found ten years ago,

913
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 3: but you'll take them this year, because God, you'll take

914
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,240
Speaker 3: any time with them. You can get whatever it looks

915
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:02,760
Speaker 3: like when.

916
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 6: You have someone.

917
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 3: Not only I think, do you understand that you don't

918
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 3: have to go through something alone, but Weirdly, it heals

919
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 3: you in reverse because you go, oh, I actually never

920
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 3: did have this, so I can identify the patterns as

921
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 3: to why certain things happened, certain things didn't work. I

922
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 3: had to move past certain things. And to your point earlier, Rob,

923
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 3: when you were saying like it's so universal, no one

924
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 3: else has been Dan Scott, you know, nobody else has

925
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 3: had Brooks crazy life or had there I hope not

926
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 3: many people have had their husbands kidnapped like Hayley.

927
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 6: I'll go down the list.

928
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 3: But there's something about these characters, their specificity and the

929
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 3: way they show up and the way they show out

930
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 3: as humans. That's the thing that's relatable for everybody. And

931
00:48:56,600 --> 00:49:00,320
Speaker 3: I don't know to your point, I think we're getting

932
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 3: the wrap up our show deserves, and all the shark

933
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 3: moments and all the doghearts and all the things are

934
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 3: so worth it because of the genuine human experiences we're

935
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 3: watching right now. And you know, you, you you are

936
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 3: the tip of that spear, Paul, and you opened the

937
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 3: I mean you literally like pierced the veil and opened

938
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 3: the space for all the rest of us to be

939
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 3: more human in this journey to the end.

940
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,280
Speaker 7: This is why twenty years later, we still have sold

941
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 7: out fan events. By the way, this multivation because it's identified.

942
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 7: I think that's why I think they genuinely identify as

943
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 7: As Rob was saying, this is a this is an

944
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 7: onion that every time you feel a layer, did characters

945
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 7: go deeper and deeper and deeper. Yeah, one thing for

946
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 7: everybody we have really we really did, you know? We

947
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 7: really did ident bring something to our fans and I

948
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 7: think was special.

949
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 5: Can I just point out something way more superficial and lighthearted,

950
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 5: but just to the theme of Brooke is just an

951
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 5: absolute badass? Did I? I'm sure I'm very curious to

952
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 5: how many of you caught this, But the first scene

953
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 5: where Brook's dad shows up, Brooke is at home. This

954
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 5: is the morning after she has been viciously assaulted and

955
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 5: thrown down a set of metal stairs. She is tending

956
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 5: to two babies solo parenting.

957
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:33,760
Speaker 4: I know what you're gonna say.

958
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 5: And she is wearing inside her own house and she

959
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 5: is wearing high.

960
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 6: Heels and a mini skirt.

961
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 5: I saw that shit and was like, what She's either nuts,

962
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 5: Like that's the craziest choice in the world.

963
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 6: She's either nuts or it's like a coping mechanism.

964
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm going to put on my very favorite outfit

965
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 3: because everything is and I need to feel in control

966
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 3: and pretty, and maybe i'll wear high heels extra pretty.

967
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 6: Like it's so strang or.

968
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 7: Was that something they brought up?

969
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 3: I don't really remember, and I wish that I did,

970
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 3: because there's there's memories I have of wardrobe choices and

971
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 3: episodes that are so specific and so intentional.

972
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 6: I don't I don't remember.

973
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 4: But also like they often start on the wide shot.

974
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,399
Speaker 2: Usually every scene starts on a wide shot, so it's

975
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 2: totally feasible that you were on set ready to go.

976
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 2: You walked on set, you were like, where's my shoes?

977
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 2: And somebody handed you high heels and you're like, uh what, okay,

978
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 2: just let's go whatever.

979
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 3: Also, we were blessed with all of you as our

980
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:43,280
Speaker 3: male cohorts. You're all so tall, so we would always

981
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 3: have to be in heels, or they'd have to build

982
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 3: us little pathways of apple boxes so we could do

983
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 3: the two shots. So I feel like, yes, it's a

984
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 3: running joke, like why are these women always looking like

985
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 3: they're going to some crazy nightclub or red carpet event?

986
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 3: But it was easier for the crew for us just

987
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 3: to be jacked up taller than to have to like

988
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 3: build little ant pathways through the set. So I don't

989
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 3: I sadly don't have a specific memory on this one,

990
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 3: but it was not lost on me. You know that

991
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 3: she's like walking around and cooking lunch for her dad

992
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 3: and doing all these things in that outfit. Rob, I

993
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:25,800
Speaker 3: thought you were gonna when you said like brooks of badass.

994
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:26,879
Speaker 3: I thought you were going to be like, oh when

995
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 3: she sassed the cop, And basically it was like I

996
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 3: told you, so, I.

997
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 6: Was so much about to have that moment.

998
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 3: With them, because it's just like, yeah, You've put me

999
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 3: in this position because you want you didn't want to

1000
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 3: listen to a woman who told you what was going

1001
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 3: to happen, and now I've had to clean up your mess.

1002
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 3: And I was very grateful that they gave me that

1003
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 3: little moment to kind of say the thing that I

1004
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:50,320
Speaker 3: know so many women have wanted to say.

1005
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,839
Speaker 2: Did you think it was weird that Julian drove past

1006
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 2: the cafe with Dan and Nathan in the car and

1007
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 2: didn't notice like the ambulance and the fire truck and

1008
00:52:58,640 --> 00:52:59,919
Speaker 2: all the things outside at all.

1009
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 3: I didn't because I thought really about how fast they're

1010
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,959
Speaker 3: going and the adrenaline, and how he's probably more looking

1011
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 3: in the rear view mirror to see if this.

1012
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 6: Man is alive or dead.

1013
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, making sure traffic's open so we not hit, and

1014
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:14,320
Speaker 2: it was up the side street.

1015
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 3: What I did love, though, was getting the and I

1016
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 3: think I might have said this at the top of

1017
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 3: the episode, so forgive me. I loved getting the confirmation

1018
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 3: of how the night went down because the second Brook

1019
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 3: hears him, and I also sort of geeked because we're

1020
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 3: obviously doing comic book stuff because of Clay and Logan.

1021
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,919
Speaker 3: I loved that she's there one second and then she's gone,

1022
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 3: and the plant is like.

1023
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:38,399
Speaker 6: Hitting around, like.

1024
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, like we were just had. We were having little

1025
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 3: comic book nods everywhere, and it was fun for me

1026
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 3: to remember because we couldn't remember at the end of

1027
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:52,399
Speaker 3: the of last week that of course, oh my god,

1028
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 3: that's it, Brooke, here's the radio, runs to her car,

1029
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 3: calls Haley, and then we all go to the hospital

1030
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 3: and of course horse as things go, it takes a

1031
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 3: beat for anyone to even think to call Quinn and

1032
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 3: Clay because like we're at the hospital and Nathan's here,

1033
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 3: and it it felt so honestly human, those little choices

1034
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 3: about how things go down, and you know, someone finally goes,

1035
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 3: oh my god, does so and so know? And it

1036
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 3: was a really sweet thing. And you know, in our

1037
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 3: show that can be ridiculous. When we get it right,

1038
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 3: and it feels really authentic. It's nice even in the

1039
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 3: tiniest details.

1040
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 5: Speaking of little choices, let's talk about Logan Yep the

1041
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 5: way in an incredible episode. One of my most favorite

1042
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 5: moments was this tiny blink and you'll miss it unscripted

1043
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 5: moment where we're shooting. We're back on the street. We

1044
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 5: are shooting through Clay's car, so you see Quinn in

1045
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 5: her seat, and then you see the door to Sarah's parents'

1046
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 5: house where Logan lives, and Quinn is waiting and she

1047
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 5: the door opens and Clay and Logan start to walk out,

1048
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 5: and you see her kind of clock them and start

1049
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:07,799
Speaker 5: to look back down, and then she quickly looks back

1050
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 5: and realizes that Logan is coming along, and she kind

1051
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 5: of does this jump in her seat, and it's like

1052
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 5: the sweetest little moment of like genuine excitement from her,

1053
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 5: and I was like, aah, that's that was so perfect, man. Yes,

1054
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 5: and he's just great.

1055
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 4: Right, He's so good.

1056
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 2: I just every time his eyes are so big, they're

1057
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 2: big like saucers, and they're so deep. I just want

1058
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:33,879
Speaker 2: to stare into them while he talks.

1059
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 3: So sweet and he smiles with his whole face, which

1060
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 3: is my favorite thing that can happen to a kid

1061
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 3: at that age, you know, because some kids were like

1062
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 3: they do the the smile because they don't know what

1063
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:49,879
Speaker 3: to do with their teeth. And sweet Pierce, I mean,

1064
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 3: he just smiles with his entire face and when he

1065
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 3: looks up at her. It was such a sweet moment

1066
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 3: for the three of you. But what actually gutted me

1067
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 3: and made me a person into tears for the one

1068
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:05,879
Speaker 3: hundred and fortieth time in this hour was watching you

1069
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:10,800
Speaker 3: watch Logan and Quinn have this moment together.

1070
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 6: I was like, oh, I can't.

1071
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 2: Take him my Yeah, you were so earnest and so happy.

1072
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 2: It was just like, it's the relief of finally getting

1073
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 2: to see you just be happy leading man. Like Sophia

1074
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 2: was saying the last episode, there was just something so

1075
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:31,840
Speaker 2: strong and steady and like settled about Clay, like finally, finally,

1076
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 2: Paul We've been talking and talking and talking. What do

1077
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 2: you have to say about this episode? I'm curious.

1078
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,240
Speaker 7: I'm what I'm watching is the dynamics of drama Queen's happening.

1079
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 7: I'm watching Rob do what he does so well. He's

1080
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 7: keeping the ship going in the right direction.

1081
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 3: He's like, okay, girls, he has to wrangle us all

1082
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 3: the time, like hurting cats.

1083
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 7: Bringing up these fantastic anecdotal thoughts and things like that.

1084
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 7: Joy'sy moting, moting. It's like, this is the perfect drama

1085
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 7: Queen's episode because you're all going through your strengths and

1086
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 7: I'm just gitting here, just soaking it in, having so

1087
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 7: much fun.

1088
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 3: I know you said you were at a loss for words,

1089
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:13,240
Speaker 3: and we all were like, it's okay, we'll keep talking.

1090
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's fine, it's fine.

1091
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 2: Was there anything else about when you were watching our

1092
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 2: episode back? Was there anything about it that you I

1093
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 2: don't know, I'm just curious kind of what your thoughts were.

1094
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 2: You know, they were all the credits, they had a

1095
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 2: beautiful memorial to your mother, Like the episode was dedicated

1096
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 2: to your mom. I know you were going through a

1097
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 2: lot while we were even shooting that. Yeah, I'm just

1098
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 2: like any anything extra that you want to share.

1099
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 7: Well, I think I was sharing what you guys were

1100
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 7: sharing too. It's like there's a lot of bittersweet at

1101
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 7: the ending of time of our Lives, which isn't just

1102
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 7: a TV show, but living in Wilmington, friendships, the crew

1103
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 7: who are family and friends are lifestyle is different. Everything's

1104
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 7: going to change. There's nothing going to stop that, and

1105
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:03,919
Speaker 7: this and the and and you know, the James left

1106
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 7: the station. It's happening. And so as we start getting

1107
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 7: closer to each episode. In the last episode, I'm leaving

1108
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 7: an episode before you guys are, uh, and so I'm

1109
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 7: I'm not going to be there for the big party.

1110
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 7: I'm not going to be there for the final hot

1111
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 7: goodbye with everybody and all that was hitting me too

1112
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 7: during that episode. It wasn't just my character was Paul friends,

1113
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 7: you know, hen since home in you know over there

1114
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 7: and write Slope Beach, all the things that I put

1115
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 7: down my roots and I'm like, oh, okay, well you

1116
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 7: guys have a good time check out and missed the party,

1117
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 7: and it was it was you know, there was a

1118
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 7: lot of it, but you know, it's a big boy

1119
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 7: life to choose to be a big, big girl life

1120
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 7: too to choose to be an actor, you know, and

1121
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 7: go do movies just three four months and we and

1122
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 7: we have great loves and friendship to people. I'm gonna

1123
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 7: stay friends with you for the rest of my life.

1124
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 7: And you see him again two three years that go, hey, man,

1125
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 7: how you doing? It's yeah, man, and I just so

1126
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 7: hard right, so yeah, you know it is.

1127
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 3: It's really difficult, and it's strange because you feel so lucky,

1128
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 3: and I think what we do, especially when you're fortunate

1129
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 3: enough to do it the way we did, where you

1130
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 3: do it for so long, when it ends and then

1131
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 3: you're all on your next thing. It's almost like being

1132
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 3: confronted with your own mortality early because you realize you

1133
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 3: genuinely only have so much time. And you do a

1134
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 3: show and then you go and you do another long

1135
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 3: running show, and it's like you have to invest in

1136
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 3: where you are. But when twenty five of us, as

1137
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 3: you mentioned, all have to we had each other, and

1138
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 3: then you have to go invest in where you are

1139
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 3: so you're not a total aple. And also what else

1140
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 3: are you supposed to do? You live somewhere new, it's

1141
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 3: impossible to maintain the closeness you're sure you're going to maintain,

1142
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 3: and it is. It's a very strange hybrid of immense

1143
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 3: love and mourning because I could see you once a week,

1144
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 3: or once a year or once every three years, like

1145
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 3: you were mentioning when you run into someone from your crew,

1146
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 3: and you're my family. I'm so in love with that,

1147
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 3: and I'm so sad forever that we can't just have

1148
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 3: a regular every morning.

1149
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm so sad.

1150
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:33,439
Speaker 3: But it's literally impossible, and it's a really weird thing

1151
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 3: to try to figure out how to navigate and hold

1152
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 3: I guess does that make sense.

1153
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 6: It's very strange.

1154
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 5: What I think is so cool about it, though, is

1155
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 5: that so first of all, we all got to have

1156
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 5: this experience like just selfishly amongst us, right, like what

1157
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 5: a crazy ride high high as low lows all of it,

1158
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 5: and like Paul said, it has really been such a

1159
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 5: gift for everyone who ought to be a part of it.

1160
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1161
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 5: Then what's great is though we created something that has

1162
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 5: a legacy, and it has a very widespread legacy that

1163
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 5: has brought a lot of people joy and strength and companionship.

1164
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:16,440
Speaker 5: Sometimes I think the show has been that one person

1165
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 5: to people who were struggling. So it's such a wonderful

1166
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 5: feeling that like we contributed something that was value added

1167
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 5: to some folks out there.

1168
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 7: But then like the.

1169
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 5: Double bonuses because of that, it creates all these opportunities

1170
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 5: this podcast, the conventions where we get to come back

1171
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 5: together to honor and celebrate this thing and then selfishly

1172
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 5: behind the scenes, give each other hugs and be like,

1173
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 5: this is like summer camp. Well you look great, how

1174
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 5: are you? You know, that's wonderful.

1175
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:51,440
Speaker 7: In a weird way. I kind of wish that the

1176
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 7: weird doing, and it doesn't put aside all of the struggles.

1177
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 7: It doesn't, and all that stuff is kind of like

1178
01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 7: it's sort of a bit of of a of a

1179
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 7: life and mirroring another life, you know, because in our

1180
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 7: own lives we also had all the stories that we

1181
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 7: had of Joey wrote a book about it. We all

1182
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 7: had our own kind of like journeys. While we had

1183
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 7: the journey together and knew about each other's journeys, and

1184
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 7: some of us didn't, And the people we got close

1185
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 7: to kind of had an idea, but nobody really kind

1186
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 7: of knew what anybody was really going through, because you can't,

1187
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 7: you can only kind of talk about you can't really

1188
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:31,960
Speaker 7: experience it through somebody else. So now that I'm older

1189
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 7: and we're all older and we're looking back on I'm

1190
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 7: going what that that was happening? Or oh my Joey's

1191
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 7: book was like I knew and I was super close.

1192
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 7: I didn't know, like I didn't really know, you know.

1193
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 7: I know. I want to get everyone read a book

1194
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 7: so I can know you better. I want to know

1195
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:50,600
Speaker 7: what you're going through, because if I wrote a book,

1196
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 7: it'd just be like you guys would be like wait.

1197
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 6: A minute, Yeah, I know.

1198
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 2: We need to read each other's book, and then there's

1199
01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 2: got to be some time where before we can go

1200
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 2: back and just do it all over again, but all

1201
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 2: in the best ways.

1202
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 5: Paul, Let's rent a cabin somewhere, just you and I,

1203
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 5: a couple of boxes of hot pockets, some mountain dew,

1204
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 5: and let's just bang out some books. Okay, Oh yeah,

1205
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 5: I'm couple.

1206
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 4: I am waiting for your book.

1207
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 7: A lot of friends.

1208
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 6: If I wrote my book, isn't that a funny thing? Yeah?

1209
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 6: When you think and you're like, could I I don't know.

1210
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 7: I don't know if.

1211
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 6: It's worth it to say the thing.

1212
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's tough. You gotta you gotta navigate that very carefully.

1213
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 10: Yeah, I believe that we have a perfect fan question

1214
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 10: today because it is for you, mister Paul Johansson.

1215
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 5: Sonya asks in honor of one of the greatest villains

1216
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:06,439
Speaker 5: of all time. Wow, funny, Sonya. We were just saying

1217
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 5: the same thing, what is your favorite Dan Scott scene?

1218
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:14,800
Speaker 7: Oh, that's not fair. Can we quick quickly get you

1219
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 7: guys to do it? And then I'll do it? What Rob,

1220
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 7: I'll allow it.

1221
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 6: I like that.

1222
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 5: Okay, So mind I'm on first. Okay, I only have

1223
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 5: knowledge of Dan Scott seasons seven through nine. Mind you,

1224
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:32,560
Speaker 5: I haven't. I haven't uh lapped back yet. So okay, listen,

1225
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 5: there are myriad fun scenes right of just drama bitchiness.

1226
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 5: Honorable mention is going to be the slow most shotgun

1227
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 5: walk because listen, that was that was incredible. So you

1228
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 5: that that scene awoke something in me, deep down inside me.

1229
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 5: I have a newfound crush on Paul Johansson. But I

1230
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 5: will say my favorite scene it's River Court You and Nathan, Yeah,

1231
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:00,480
Speaker 5: because that was just that was you beutiful And like

1232
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:03,760
Speaker 5: I said, I think it was kind of a It

1233
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:07,080
Speaker 5: was so much was being said and it was performed.

1234
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:10,439
Speaker 5: It was written beautifully, it was performed beautifully, And that

1235
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 5: was that was the scene where I was like, oh, yeah,

1236
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 5: this is it right here.

1237
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was the payoff.

1238
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm flashing through all these moments in my mind,

1239
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 2: but I can't identify exactly what they're from. Like, there

1240
01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:27,800
Speaker 2: were other moments in earlier seasons where you were manipulating

1241
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 2: something but it seemed so real, or you were genuinely

1242
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:37,880
Speaker 2: it seemed like you were really remorseful, but actually you

1243
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:40,760
Speaker 2: just were sad that you were suffering consequences, not that

1244
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 2: you were actually every remorse.

1245
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, like some of.

1246
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 3: Those moments where we'd watch and be like, oh my god,

1247
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:50,080
Speaker 3: is Dan changing And then the next scene we'd be like, Davinity.

1248
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:53,320
Speaker 5: Got us polk us, I know, I know, but this.

1249
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:55,120
Speaker 4: One, this is the payoff for all of it.

1250
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree.

1251
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:03,440
Speaker 3: I loved watching you work for ten years and now

1252
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 3: really twenty because we've gone back to do this. It's

1253
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 3: impossible to pick, but also impossible to pick anything about

1254
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:14,640
Speaker 3: that scene between you and Nathan in this episode on

1255
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 3: the River Court.

1256
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:17,440
Speaker 6: It's like it's.

1257
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:23,760
Speaker 3: It's the finishing of this incredible meal that you've served

1258
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 3: us and it's just perfect.

1259
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 7: Well, I'm going to be very boring then, because I

1260
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:34,080
Speaker 7: could go back to getting my face smashed by Joy

1261
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 7: in the in the nineteen forties. It was so fun

1262
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:47,560
Speaker 7: because you know, for I know, eight years, it was

1263
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:51,040
Speaker 7: like I was, you know, having this wonderful game on

1264
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:55,040
Speaker 7: set of my infatuation and it was played out and

1265
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 7: smashed into my face, which is hilarious and you have

1266
01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:00,440
Speaker 7: to have that kind of like approach to it. Also.

1267
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 7: I think some of the scenes that I felt like

1268
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:09,120
Speaker 7: I did with with uh Moira I thought were very strong.

1269
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:12,680
Speaker 7: There's some very strong work that we had because we

1270
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 7: had some very intense things. And then I love that

1271
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 7: the humor. I think that Robbos, you know, sort of

1272
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 7: alluding to with with Boozy and and the pranksters with

1273
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:25,800
Speaker 7: with were super fun and I don't know if you

1274
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:27,840
Speaker 7: remember those of you around for those, but they were

1275
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:32,520
Speaker 7: super playful. And Roses, yeah, that's exactly where I was going.

1276
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:35,920
Speaker 7: But it is The river Coret scene is my favorite

1277
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 7: dance got seen because it was I got the catharsis

1278
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:45,120
Speaker 7: that my my my friends, you guys and my fans,

1279
01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 7: and the and the one Treehill audience got We all

1280
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 7: shared it was a very important and very generous gift

1281
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:55,920
Speaker 7: to me as an actor from the writing staff and

1282
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:58,160
Speaker 7: the producers in the studio and everybody else to give

1283
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:01,280
Speaker 7: me an episode where I got my own episode to

1284
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 7: say goodbye, and then you guys did your episode after.

1285
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 7: But they they really they didn't have to do that.

1286
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:11,480
Speaker 4: But it was the right thing to do.

1287
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:12,960
Speaker 5: It was the smart thing to do.

1288
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:14,760
Speaker 7: It was wonderful. So that is it.

1289
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:19,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, well there is no one else I would

1290
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:23,719
Speaker 5: rather have been drowned by, not once, but twice twice.

1291
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:29,479
Speaker 7: You want to be drowned?

1292
01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:32,080
Speaker 5: Maybe later this week you can drown me in Paris.

1293
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:35,160
Speaker 7: Perhaps that's really nice.

1294
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:37,280
Speaker 4: We should spin a wheel.

1295
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:46,759
Speaker 5: That's a great idea. All right, we have most likely

1296
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:51,799
Speaker 5: to accidentally start a fire while cooking episode.

1297
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:53,840
Speaker 7: Joy, I directed it, Remember you did.

1298
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:58,479
Speaker 2: Yes, it's Chris Keller. Of course you did start the

1299
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:01,240
Speaker 2: fire and you directed that episode. We have so much fun,

1300
01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:04,280
Speaker 2: we were, really that was so hard not to laugh

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Speaker 2: that day, Like, just get your work done, don't laugh

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Speaker 2: so hard.

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Speaker 4: I don't know who in real life. Who in real

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01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 4: life is a really bad cook? You know?

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01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:11,679
Speaker 7: Joy?

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Speaker 5: My knee jerk? Was you not because you're not a

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01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 5: competent cook, but because you sort of have that like

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01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:20,559
Speaker 5: forgetfulness about you. Occasionally you're like leave, like leave a

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01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 5: computer on a plane and walk away. I could just

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01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:25,640
Speaker 5: see like a boiling pot of water, and you're just

1311
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:27,880
Speaker 5: like a butterfly. I should write a poem about that.

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Speaker 2: You know, No, Rob, You're not wrong. I have burned

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01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:34,680
Speaker 2: many a pan by leaving it on the stove and

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01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:38,519
Speaker 2: forgetting walking away thinking oh, I'll just get this started

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Speaker 2: and then I'm going to go do my makeup and

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01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:42,600
Speaker 2: then I'll come back and make dinner. And then oh, no,

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01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:51,160
Speaker 2: the house is on fire. Yeah, it's probably is me. Oh,

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Speaker 2: I mean, Paul, thank you so much for joining us.

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01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:57,600
Speaker 2: I was really special to have you. Yeah, thanks for

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01:09:57,680 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 2: allowing us to share. You know, it's nice to say

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01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:05,280
Speaker 2: things about someone, but the soul satisfaction of being able

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01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:07,719
Speaker 2: to say it to their face is really important.

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Speaker 7: I love you, guys, I love all love you too.

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01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 6: We love you.

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01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:13,440
Speaker 3: Thank you for letting us shower you with the compliments

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01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:17,799
Speaker 3: we've been storing up like little chipmunks cheeks of our hearts.

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Speaker 5: And thanks for the gift of Dan Scott.

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Speaker 7: Well. I'm grateful that you guys allowed me to be

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Speaker 7: a part of this especially. I know you guys have again.

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Speaker 7: You're wrapping things up and it's beautiful. But thank you

1331
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:32,240
Speaker 7: for letting me be a part of this particular and

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Speaker 7: I hope I see you guys all soon.

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Speaker 4: Someway, please please see you soon.

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Speaker 2: Friends, next episode, Season nine, episode twelve, anyone who had

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Speaker 2: a heart, We'll see you next week. Bye, Hey, thanks

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Speaker 2: for listening.

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Speaker 3: Don't forget to leave us a review. You can also

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Speaker 3: follow us on Instagram at Drama Queen's ot.

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Speaker 9: Or email us at Drama Queens at iHeartRadio dot com.

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Speaker 6: See you next time. We all about that high school.

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01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 4: I'm a girl drama girl, all about them high.

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01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:05,040
Speaker 3: School Queens will take you for a ride.

1343
01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 6: And our comic girl cheering for the right teams.

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Speaker 3: Drama queensise my girl of girl fashion.

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Speaker 6: What's your tough girl?

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Speaker 1: You could sit with us Girl Drama Queens, Drama Queens

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Speaker 1: Drama Queens Drama Drama, Queens Drama Queens